*Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join *Chapters* 00:00:00 Crash Tests & Safety 00:01:11 What's A Crash Test 00:03:00 Lab Test vs The Real World 00:05:00 Accidents vs Crash Tests 00:06:58 Optional Crash Test Ratings 00:10:38 Too Pro Manufacturer? 00:13:26 Are Cars Really Safe? 00:15:14 Ratings Aren't Comprehensive 00:18:49 The Injury Scale 00:22:59 Not User-friendly! 00:24:05 Child Seats Required 00:28:26 You Cause The Crash Part 1 00:32:00 Protect Yourself 00:33:18 Drive Better 00:36:27 Avoid Crashes! 00:37:45 Better Cars Look Worse 00:39:35 Do You Drive Well Enough? 00:41:26 Causing Harm 00:42.54 Really Understand Crash Ratings 00:45:21 Active Safety Matters More 00:46:20 How Safety Progresses 00:52:04 Older Cars and Safety 00:53:29 Do the Hard Thing 00:54:05 Choose To Be Safer 00:55:52 Your Mistake or Theirs? 00:58:30 Not Crashing Is Better! 01:00:33 The Next Episode *Links* _The BNCAP Document via MORTH_ morth.nic.in/sites/default/files/ASI/Draft%20AIS%20197%20.pdf _Crash Ratings vs Accident Data_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49655075_Comparison_Between_Euro_NCAP_Test_Results_and_Real-World_Crash_Data#:~:text=For%20all%20comparisons%2C%205%2Dstar,was%2068%20±%2032%20percent. _or_ www.researchgate.net/publication/49655075_Comparison_Between_Euro_NCAP_Test_Results_and_Real-World_Crash_Data#:~:text=For%20all%20comparisons%2C%205%2Dstar,was%2068%20±%2032%20percent.
Why can't they do crash test by considering the worst case scenario? Why don't standards quote the worst case such as trucks? For medical devices, FDA & ISO ,EU have strict regulations for worst case scenario
@@craveforcinema9560 Because beyond a certain point, 5 and 0 star might perform alike. And that won't be a marketable material for the companies to show their products superior. Also what can be considered a worst case is subjective. Getting under a bus? Crushed under a battle tank? Jumping from cliff to a lake? The moment you consider and standardize one of such conditions is the same moment it gets 'controlled' and becomes a lab test. Real world has many variables playing. One can have a tyre burst resulting in jumping off the cliff, other might be brakes failing, other can be already being hit by a truck. A car's crash safety performance will perform differently at each of these three situations, however they're ending off a cliff in all of these.
Instincts before ego people , the guy who just overtook me stopped at the same light , this happens everyday. If you're in a hurry speeding isn't gonna get you there , speed when you know you can for sure . "your mind has better TC and ABS than any bike / car trust it not your ego " - EX police driver .(not me)
Agreed . Want to add something here- Don't speed ever.. Go at your own pace.. I drive at 60-70kmph in normal traffic as well because that is my usual comfortable speed. I have tested myself a thousand times and I know my limit is around 90-100 kmph in city so I go 10kmph slower. If someone drop from the sky I know I can stop comfortably. Ofcourse there is an if, if I'm not distracted or careless.
What a brilliant episode! This must be shown to everyone who is buying a car! I worked in the legal department of a leading insurance company and was handling third party claims. Basically, I was part of the system that deals with the aftermath of the accidents that happen. A vast majority of the accidents happened because of driver error and I have seen families been destroyed because the driver wasn't careful enough. Simple things like drive 5kmph slower, wear seatbelts, slowdown before making turns, dont rage out when somebody overtook you, etc., will make a massive difference. The five star car may end up saving your life but it won't help you to avoid destroying the family of the other party involved in the crash. Back in 1992, I lost my father to what was a very minor collision between an autorickshaw and a scooter coming out of a petrol bunk. My father was riding pillion on the scooter and if he was wearing helmet, he would have been alive. It's been 32 years since then and i still can't fathom why there are people riding around without helmets. Similarly my uncle got into a crash once and what saved the family were seatbelts. The number of people who drive without seatbelts even today is simply astounding. The crash tests try to figure out what happens in a crash and how a car will perfom in that one set of conditions which have been approximated to mimic what the designers of the test thought was the best approximation. Real world is chaotic. By controling what you can do to avoid getting into a crash, by doing all that you can to drive safely, not just so you can protect yourself and your family or the passengers, but also those around you, you automatically and dramatically reduce the probability of ever needing all those stars. I think there should also be a video where Shumi and Karthikeya can go about a whole bucket list of obvious but absolutely necessary things people can do to to become better drivers, a whole hour of content that after seeing, people can go, damn, that was obvious, why wasnt i doing this in the first place. I think content like this episode and every tip that you guys give for people to become better drivers, will only help in reducing the accidents. Glad I am a member. Thank you once again!
Hey @MrSMK21! Glad you found the podcast episode helpful! Thanks for the suggestion for the better driving oriented podcast/video too! And thank you for our generosity. It means the world to us!
There are two variations of ABC that I try to be mindful of at all times. 1. 'Always Be Cautious" - Be cautious of yourself. Be cautious of others. 2. 'Always Be Caring' - Arguably the more important thought. Be considerate. Be patient. Be kind. Remember that we all have friends, partners, family, jobs, EMIs, rent, dreams and more. And we're all just trying to go from point A to point B. Be it on the road or through life. Thank you for attending my TED talk !
Brilliant stuff Shumi and Kartikey 🙌This piece of content offers a comprehensive overview of the broad topic of automotive safety. Crash tests provide a basic understanding of a car's construction and its potential performance under certain conditions, though these conditions can vary significantly in the real world. The key aspect to focus on in a crash test is the stability of the vehicle's structure. While airbags are valuable additions, the ability of the car's shell to absorb impact is of paramount importance. After observing various crash tests, including some 'sponsored’ ones, a critical question arises for manufacturers: Have they designed their cars to achieve higher scores in crash tests, or to genuinely protect occupants? There have been several real-world crashes involving certain brands where the vehicles have easily toppled. This is just one example of many, but the Global NCAP tests seem to overshadow these crucial aspects of safety. We need to adopt a more holistic view of automotive safety, beyond just the safety ratings.
Insightful! We need conversations about safety to be around roads, infrastructure, rules, fines, potholes, licence tests and so much more… We deserve this with the number of vehicles on our roads and the accidents we have.
Yes but all of these depend on the govt. So talking and expecting things is........... well you know what im gonna say. Just recently, didnt the govt say something along the lines of - driving schools themselves can issue licenses instead of the useless department, sorry, i mean, the rto, and that they wont be responsible for it? That part was funny to me. Was the rto accepting responsibility before?
Guys can you please discuss in a podcast about how bad driving is actually something that contributes to the chaotic traffic jams, higher wear and tear of vehicles, increases overall stress levels and subsequently health of the average citizen? This in turn affects the economy due to poorer health, loss of time with drastically low average speeds/high fuel consumption in our country = lower productivity. Also people go out less due to fears of traffic jams contriburing to businesses struggling. Loss of loved ones in traffic accidents throws families out of financial stability and puts some people into poverty. Some things to be implemented to solve a majority of these problems: * teach the importance of lane discipline/clearly marked lanes * we need to introduce comprehensive driving test overhauls and make everyone recertify themselves over a 7 year period - ideally copy the curriculum of germany. - this is especially necessary for commercial vehicles. * Import road use hygiene/etiquette/culture from the north east. * Also define criteria for submitting complaints with dashcam footage on drivers breaking rules, this will help enforce rules in a decentralised manner. Would be great to listen to you guys discussing this.
The point at 37:10 is such a great one! Taking motorsport as an example, an F1 car crashed at the Marina Bay Street Circuit last year and social media went abuzz saying "Oh my God the car has such poor safety as it looked like it broke into pieces" but little did they know that that was an indicator that the car was doing its job in protecting the driver well and that was the reason the driver walked away with just minor injuries!
Yes that's true, but there is also the difference between a well made crumple zone and just weak front end. What matters is that how much of impact was absorbed and whatever impact force was remaining after that should not reach passengers for it to be serious. For example maruti cars have crumple zone but it is too weak that it can't restrain the impact to itself. This is also a fact that should be considered. So, bad looking car after an accident is good till some point, after that it is really bad
@@vasujadav2772 A car with "weak frontend" aka crumple-zone will protect whilash/spinal cord injuries, the cabin needs to be strong and protect from any direct impact from outside .... that weak-frontend is essentially last line of defense in terms of "Braking" Also , if you think strong/rigid metal bodies makes a safer car , then retrofit some airbags and seatbelt inside ambassador , that'd also get 5-star safety in G-NCAP.
@@ankitsharma203 bro you didn't understand what i said, i said the same thing that crumple zone is necessary but it also should be atleast srong enough to prevent shock from reaching cabin
@@vasujadav2772 but that thing is very difficult to design for example , 1) crumple zone designed for collision of 60kmph will work perfectly at speed from 40-80 , at lower speed it won't crumple but whiplash won't be too serious either 2) a car designed to absorb collision of 100 kmph , will perform well from 80-120 , but in those cars when you collide at slow speed say 60 , you'll have to withstand the whiplash now you have to figure what speed collision you're more likely to be into. and if you happen to be in collision of 100kmph in a 60kmph crumple zone , then you definitely want a strong and rigid cabin to protect you. So all i'm trying to say is I want strong cabins from manufacturer nothing much. BTW crumple zones also slows down "the projectiles" aka loose objects in you car that might impale you.
I just have a perspective, in a normal highway the speed limit is set to 80 but ofcourse we don't follow it... But with the vehicles able to manage 120 fairly easily, when we stick with the rules, it becomes really boring to drive and thereby induces a fatigue and thereby drowsy and thereby accidents which the data you explained suggests in highway rides... Or when we come across someone who is following the rules, we feel restless as we consider them stopping the flow of vehicles and our aim is to pass them as quickly as possible and make a move on... Maybe the speed limits should go a little High and if they are going to fine me for over speeding they should also fine vehicles that are under speeding which could create chaos in the flow of traffic and thereby unnecessary accidents... Please make a video on how to prepare for a long drive be it in a car or a bike.... How we should prepare ourselves physically mentally and plus how to prepare our vehicle as well for the drive/ride
We understand what you mean @vethanishanth6667 but in a country that seems to have very little driving discipline as ours, wouldn't increasing the speed limit to 120 want people to drive at 150kmph instead? By your own logic! Which will inevitably lead to higher number of accidents so we don't think that's happening any time soon. To be clear, most of our highways are capable of handling more speed but most of our drivers clearly aren't! We have covered this in Season 1. Please check it out: ruclips.net/video/ftMdpjosoMM/видео.htmlsi=9jsTfHhrUo8y__tt
@@motorinc Yeah, sounds like a reasonable point... Like you suggested in the podcast the entitlement we have on ourselves that we are a better driver than everybody else should go away... I know I am not a perfect driver but everyday Iam improving myself to be a better one. I am angry at the other driver for a situation immediately but after a point when I think about it I realise I could have done it a bit differently not to end up in that situation... Self realisation of how good a driver we are could improve the situation I think... Thank you for explaining the reality of what would happen. I can understand now...
I just completed my masters in Mass communication & these podcasts does feel like I am attending a lecture on Automobile journalism. The way these guys simplify things & explain every tiny details, is remarkable. Keep going guys , we need such podcasts to educate masses on such topics
@@motorinc Thank you. No I don't have any job in hand right now. I'm looking for one. But before that , for some reason my pancreas is producing too much insulin which is troubling me in my daily routine life , I need to get it sort out first. It's been 3 years like this & just last week I got to know that I might have a small tumor in my pancreas which could be the reason behind overproduction of insulin. I got no choice but to focus on my health first. Oops Oversharing 😅 But thanks guys.
Very good podcast. Simplifying safety to just the crash rating doesn't make sense. I dont have a problem with safety ratings. At the end of the day, it does give a sense of how the car will perform in an unfortunate situation. But It is important to acknowledge that the rating is something most people don't encounter (A crash) and avoiding those instances is what is actually way SAFER. There are other elements to safety that adds up to a safe driving experience.
Man! I don’t think we Indians can ever understand the conversation.. You guys are AMAZING! The depth in your knowledge is mind blowing. We are a country where people protest against helmets being mandatory. We think about accidents until it happens in our own family or May be when it happens to us!
@@motorinc Oh come now, gentlemen. Do you really mean that in earnest? How come that same logic does not seem to hold when we're talking about, say, motorcycle helmets? Why are we then reaching for the Arais and Shoeis? How come the principle of, "keep your eyes open and avoid crashing," doesn't apply then? Far be it from me to be prescriptive -- to each unto his own; I'm just quite nonplussed by your take on this.
Thank you for the feedback @ChetanRao. Let us clear this up one more time. Comparing wearing helmets on a motorcycle directly to being in a 5-star car doesn't make any sense to us. Because, if we aren't wearing a helmet, and we're assuming no other safety gear too, that means the rider only has themselves to absorb all the impact from a potential crash. To be absolutely clear, Kartikeya and Shumi insist on safety gear but don't recommend any particular brand over the other so if you can get an Arai, go for it! Or any other helmet and other gear with the necessary certification should work too! But, that's not the case with sitting in a car, is it? All cars in India have passed a mandatory crash test at 55kmph and all of them have crumple zones, and a shell to protect any and all passengers from an impact. How could these two things be the same? We're not disagreeing with the effectiveness of a crash test in determining a car's ability to absorb more impact. It is true that in the 5% likelihood you being in a crash they will offer more protection (how much more is literally next to impossible to determine due to the missing variables, as discussed in the episode) but for the remaining 95% , driving better alone is enough. Everything else comes next. Hope this helps you!
@@motorinc true, but in Indian conditions driving carefully alone does not mean you'll be safe, for example, once I was traveling from Indore to Mumbai, my car was at a standstill at a junction when a 16 wheeler truck rammed my car, had I been in a car with lesser star rating, my chances of having fatal injuries would have been a lot more!
@@motorinc Thank you, sir, but that wasn't my question. Without naming names, there are helmets that are ECE rated that one can buy for as little as 5k INR. These have passed a test. They meet some criteria, just like all the cars that passed a crash test at 55 kmph did. Is it this channel's position that going and buying a Shoei or Arai is a waste of money since there are many other helmets that have passed some other standard of test anyway?
A passionate case against an overemphasis on crash test ratings, albeit one that is undermined, in my opinion, by some critical logical flaws and inconsistencies. As a disclaimer, I should point out that neither do I drive a 5-star-rated car, nor is that parameter going to be a deal-breaker (or clincher) for me when buying my next car; I am not personally vested in this debate. One of the main issues I take with your argument is the false dichotomy between prioritising driver skill and relying on safety features. These are not mutually exclusive approaches to road safety. They both can and should play important roles. You may say that you aren't entirely dismissing the value of safety features, but respectfully, I believe your argument overemphasises driver skill to the point of downplaying the relevance of crash test ratings. And that it is being presented as a binary choice. If it is really true that the average Indian car buyer obsesses over crash safety ratings and trivialises the importance of driver skills, it seems to me that you’re just doing the same, but in the opposite direction. What’s more, I contend that your use of statistics and data doesn’t actually support the point that you’re trying to make. You mention that most accidents are caused by driver error, and that most crashes are single-car crashes. Based on this, you argue that driver skill is the most important factor in road safety. But you’re ignoring the base rate - the total number of car trips and driving situations that occur without any accidents. Let's say there are a million car trips in a given year, and a thousand of them result in accidents. And that out of those thousand accidents, 90% are caused by driver error. Sounds like a lot, but it’s actually only 900 out of the total one million trips. The vast majority of trips - 999,100 - didn’t result in any accidents at all, REGARDLESS of driver skill. (Shumi says this himself at some point, but went elsewhere with it.) If we really want use data to understand the role of driver skill in road safety, we need to look at the accident rates for drivers of different skill levels across all trips, not just the proportion of accidents caused by driver error. This doesn't mean that driver skill is unimportant or that we shouldn't strive to improve driver training and education. But it does suggest that focusing solely on driver skill as the primary solution to road safety may be misguided, and I think the statistics again bear me out on this, in more ways than one. For example, the notion that if you're a highly skilled driver, you'll be much less likely to get into an accident - actually, over time, your likelihood of getting into an accident tends to converge towards the average accident rate for all drivers, regardless of your individual skill level. In other words, being a highly skilled driver does not make you immune to regression to the mean. Over time, your accident risk will tend towards the average risk for all drivers. And as Taleb might point out, you’re ignoring the fact that rare events can and do have disproportionate effects on outcomes. Even if the vast majority of accidents are caused by driver error, the rare instances of equipment failure or external factors can still have a catastrophic impact on overall fatalities and injuries. Besides, crash safety features are designed to protect occupants when accidents occur, regardless of the cause. Dismissing their relevance because most crashes are due to driver error is a non-sequitur that ignores the potential benefits these features can provide in mitigating the consequences of accidents. Even if it is true that 90% of accidents are caused by driver error and that most crashes are single-car crashes, dismissing the probability of a vehicle with “superior” safety features (at least, on paper) providing benefits over one with lesser features, seems rather a bit of an overreach. All other things being equal, if a car is involved in a crash, it is reasonable to expect that one with a 5-star crash rating will perform in some measurable way better than one with a 1-star safety rating. That performance delta holds true regardless of whether you’re a highly skilled driver or an atrocious one. And the “5-star safety ratings make you a more careless or reckless driver,” argument is wild! By that logic, you wearing motorcycle safety gear when you ride a motorcycle arguably makes you a more reckless rider. After all, if for some reason, you had to ride the same motorcycle in the same conditions without any safety gear, wouldn’t you ride even more cautiously than you normally do? Ergo, all riders using safety gear are automatically a greater hazard to themselves and others. Seems a bit much. While it's fair to point out potential limitations and flaws in the crash test ratings system, dismissing the entire enterprise of crash testing as a mere marketing ploy doesn’t make your argument more credible. All in all, I think this comes down to some variation of the “the risks I am okay with are sensible, the risks you are okay with are stupid,” argument that is so widely prevalent in the automotive enthusiast community as a whole. Still, a thoroughly engaging and entertaining video (as always), and anything that produces discussion is always welcome. Thank you, and keep going!
@@pchardwareexplorer9695 I did watch the entire video. At no point in my comment did I claim that they said that safety features don't matter, but yes, I take your point: invalidating crash safety ratings may not have been their intention. But if you scroll through the comments on this video, you'll quickly see that regardless of whatever their intention was, the takeaway that a lot of folks seem to be getting from this is, "just ignore crash safety ratings, and focus on being a better driver." Which, look, I embrace on a personal level, but I don't believe that it is an objective and dispassionate point of view. And it's arguably not a great thing to be encouraging drivers to do, because, let's face it, how many of us really do all the things that we know we should be doing? We know we should eat better, we know we should exercise more often, we know we should use gadgets less, we know we should hydrate more, and on and on, but that doesn't stop us from persisting in our habits. Improving one's driving skills is likely no different. In all probability, most of the folks who leave this video aren't suddenly going to buy tickets to fly to a Swiss driving school. But the next time they're buying a car, they might just think, "Those car experts said crash safety ratings don't matter." So, I think it's really debatable whether this advice makes anybody any safer.
What a wonderful podcast!! ❤ Silly me thought the bike one was best one. This stole my heart. I'm going to share with all of my family members and they are going to argue this and that and still not okay about wearing rear seat belts. But with these pointers from both shumi and Karthikeya, i am sure I'll hold up my end of debate too. Also, this conversation removed the confusion i had regarding the 3 star car with stable body shell and 5 star car with unstable body shell. It's like talking about which branded bat i should buy to play cricket. It's always the skill of batsmen which matters!! It's the ability of the driver to avoid the crash which matters more than the crash rating of the car. Very very underrated statement and not many people are ready for this. 😂
I was one of those guys who did consider the crash test until I dug deeper. That being said if these ratings do give me a better car however miniscule I would take it. Would it be the only factor for me to buy no, but I would also not buy a car that is rated less than three. Like you guys have said driving better is living longer. I will attempt to champion that every time I drive a car. Awesome episode.
Do you think it is sensible to buy car with 0-2 stars crash test rating? I agree that most accidents are avoidable even if you didn't cause it, but all you need is one crash to change your life, right? It is 100% possible to be involved in a potentially fatal crash even you're going under the speed limits and aware of your surroundings. This video has convinced me to get off the crash test craze. IMO at least 3 stars are necessary in accordance with todays standards.
This podcast truly opened my eyes. Back in 2018, when I was in the market for a car with a budget of 5 to 6 lakhs, I considered options like the Swift, i10, and Tiago. However, I chose the Tiago, primarily because it was the first 4-star safe car available my decision was influenced by my wife's discomfort with traditional seatbelts, (preferring those with height adjusters). Although I had to compromise on certain features like airbags and ESP, watching this episode made me realize the folly in our consumer choices. While I still harbor reservations towards Maruti for their lightweight and seemingly inferior build quality, I acknowledge the importance of the power-to-weight ratio. (light car gives us good performance if it has a peppy engine) Yet, I cannot overlook the role marketing played in swaying my decision. The podcast also sheds light on the importance of being a responsible driver. Having learned to drive in my early teens, I've maintained a clean driving record over the past 20 years, save for a minor scrape. Moreover, I prioritize safety, ensuring my five-year-old son always wears a seatbelt, even though I haven't invested in a specialized seat for him yet. As an Indian, I believe it's crucial for our safety culture to evolve, not just on the roads, but across various aspects of our lives like cooking, working, and traveling. Kudos to Motor Inc. for delivering such an enlightening and thought-provoking episode. I walked away from it with a wealth of knowledge far beyond what I initially anticipated.
I know some guys who think that driving a car recklessly, overtaking with close calls, speeding unnecessarily is "skills" and when i tell them hey drive carefully, they (not talking about me in the third person) say "don't worry i got this, I'm skilled" or "don't be a p*ssy". As you said, you can buy a car with all the stars for safety but you cannot buy good driving etiquettes
Great conversation, and liked the conversation. Always be a better driver and always take care of your vehicles keep them serviced and upto date, so that you and the machine are always safe and in good condition. As someone who has driven here and internationally, always be in gear, and drive safe, it will help you to keep on driving more.
It is Awesome that you guys are taking pains of reading documents and presenting such great quality content.. In the month of April i travelled to Kerela with my wife and son (9 months old) and we carried the car seat with us.. It was a logistic hassle.. I had to pay a bit extra at the airport.. But I didn’t mind it.. We were driving in a rented car with my son in the car seat .. Wife was in the backseat with seatbelt on.. Last month my wife and my son went to her place and the car seat went with them.. Whenever they go out, my son sits in the car seat.. Slowly, there is a cultural change that we are trying to bring in our families by requesting our parents and siblings to wear seatbelts in the rear seat as well.. Sometimes the idea is not taken in the letter and spirit but we continue to insist..
Waiting for the next ep cause I am gonna be getting a V-Strom SX in the next few months. Also curious what's the origin of Shumi's tradition of naming his motorcycles with an F ? And does Kartick name his motorcycles ?
I hope this conversation reaches many people, both of you have done justice to this topic. I would like to also add that, lights, reflectors and mirrors are also very important to safety discussion. Simple, basic maintenance will help us not become active hazards on the street.
With these podcasts "I" want😅 you both are unintentionally making me a better driver I mean obviously I am 2 out of 10 but I think is that I will at least from doing that one risky thing on the road I would first give it a thought that's what I'm hoping thank you for doing an excellent job I mean for me. The job being a teacher to some of people my age 18-19 is directing them towards being better on the road .
This comment is in regard to your next episode. I wanted to thank Shumi and share that i am 22 years old and i had purchased my first bike 2 and half years ago which is the continental gt650. I had learnt riding on a splendor ismart for two weeks and applied for license and went to book the bike. I remember following Shumi for a long time back then and following simplified series particularly. It was watching him and learning from him for years that gave me confidence as well the understanding of what skills i absolutely needed to acquire on a motorcycle, whatever its power may be. Today i can proudly say that my motorcycling journey so far has been a absolute delight and safe. If it wasn’t for shumi ,i wouldn’t have been able to unlock motorcycling to such extent, especially given what the social media is offering to new aspiring young kids in terms of motorcycling content today.
It's pretty insightful however one question I have is should we give the car manufacturers a free pass on giving us cheap products by pulling back on safety? Yes I do agree that at certain speed it doesn't matter whether you are inside a bubble or a tank you can get killed. However, should we give the manufacturers a free pass on giving us low quality airbags or a product which has questionable structural integrity? Because if the manufacturers think that they can get away with a zero star car don't you think they will try to bring in a minus 1 star car just to increase their profits?
That's a good question @entername3840 but there's such a thing as a mandatory crash test conducted by the Government of India for every single car that's sold here and if a car fails that test, for any reason (including structural weakness), it will not be allowed to be sold here so we don't see any car that's currently on sale here being so weak that its structure itself is weak. What you're asking for is a valid question and would make it an alarming concern if there was no Government body regulating it. But that's not the case yet so it shouldn't be a concern. That being said, we should definitely ask for better built cars and we're slowly but steadily getting there, we believe.
As a data science enthusiast I am very happy that Shumi has spoken about the "correlation" aspect and the backend team has done some extensive study on the data models before saying such conclusions .....Would love to see the dataset from which you derived the conclusion.
Wait, if I study, analyse and understand the Indian car market, how the sales of each vehicle is happening and if I say "not all Indians can afford safety" doesn't mean I'm gonna buy such a vehicle 😅 For example we clearly know Ather is a better product than Ola so I'm eyeing for Ather. But that doesn't mean we can ignore the tremendous sales of Ola. That you've to acknowledge sir 🤔
@@motorinc ok sure. During a part of the video Shumi sir said why I might know people who will buy unsafe or bad quality products? Is it because I'm one of those customers. In that context I said that I might not be part of the people and it's just because I saw the sales of that product and general public opinion on it from different sources and analyse the ground reality of what that product is doing right for that type of customer is what informing me about the success of that product resonating which part in the society. And I gave the example of Ather being a superior quality product supplier than Ola will make me eye for Ather only, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the success of Ola. So knowing a part of demographics doesn't mean you get included in that particular demographic as well. That's what I tried to say here.
Talking about Volvo, they use the highest percentage of Boron In their steel (24%). The boron infused steel makes the steel stronger and protects the passengers during an impact. No data regarding the boron percentage is available for Tata, Mahindra, VW, Škoda etc. (I personally tried to inquire). I also feel that all the electronic safety equipments are just deterrents during and accident. Considering the chaos which we see on Indian roads on a daily basis, manufacturers should start designing the car to withstand passenger safety during an impact, which Volvo does.
My sister had a small crash on her scooter, everyone else was coddling her and I just said understand it’s your mistake and you won’t crash again. She was very upset with me, I’ve sent her a clip of this video now. Hopefully you guys have managed to get through.
So after watching full episode, "I" think I'm convinced that: 1. I need to work on my driving skills to minimise the probability of getting crashed. 2. Crash ratings should not be the final decision making criteria for car buying process. BUT still, I won't be able to neglect crash test ratings if I have a decision to make between two shortlisted vehicles before buying one. Thanks. Be considerate, be patient! ✌🏻
The sole reason I never got any attachment on the mirror or dashboard like idols or hang anything on th IRVM is that it turns into a projectile during an accident! Read it years ago and it's always stayed with me.
@@Michael-Angh imagine you're cruising at 80kmph in the middle lane on NH 48 and you encounter a broken down stationary truck in the middle of the lane, (this has happened with me btw, I barely avoided collision) and you crash into the back of that truck. Now things have gone from 80kmph to 0kmph in a matter of seconds, so things will fly at you from the front of the car like broken windshield bits AND anything that was kept on the dashboard. So if you had a stone idol on the dashboard, there is a very high chance it will fly at you along with the shards of glass already flying at you. Any such object can hit you or the passenger in critical areas like eyes and skull and a 1000 other damaging ways. Hence it is always recommended to not keep any loose objects around the car. A driver once lost his life because a Bisleri water bottle fell down and lodged itself between the brake pedal and the floor of the car and he couldn't brake!
Ideally the better the star, the better the build. For me that is more important because in Indian traffic chaos, a better built car is cheaper to fix when you do get involved in minor crashes. In terms of major ones with higher speeds, it's purely luck.
1. 5:20 - Infact in USA, the IIHS was created literally by Insurance companies so that they can force car manufacturers to make safer cars which would in return benefit the Insurance companies, LOL. 2. 11:34 - Tata in Shambles, haha. 3. 26:23 - LMAOO, It's funny to see how Schumi isn't very sensitized but Kartik is. 4. 42:15 - PTSD after a crash is a very real thing and we so often ignore how fragile life is, a split of second is all it takes for someone to just cease to exist.
1. Safer cars do benefit insurance companies - paying for people is a lot more expensive than paying for car parts. 3. Shumi's always messing with Kartikeya 🤣 4. Yes. Spot on!
It's definitely true that 5 star cars are in no way a guarantee of safety.. However amazing of a driver/rider you are, however observant you are on the road, there are a lot of drivers/riders who are completely careless, putting other's and your life at risk. So I'd definitely feel comparatively safer in a better safety rated car (again, i know its no guarantee of my safety, but does increase my chances of survival or lesser injury to me or my loved ones) Sure, the GNCAP could be better in a lot more ways.. and I'd love for that happen.. but what GNCAP is, is definitely a good step in the right direction compared to the non existence of it. I'd also feel a lot safer crashing into a 5 star rated car compared to a 1 star rated car, hence I completely encourage safer cars on the road and hence would always encourage fellow people to buy safer cars. Within a massive mix of factors deciding the outcome of a crash, I'd love to have control of as many factors as I can and the safety rating is one of those factors. I don't mind the GNCAP ratings to be used as a marketing tool coz it only pushes manufacturers to make their cars safer.. But yes, I do wish the parameters considered to be better. (More emphasis on the a stable chassis rather than number of airbags) So I'm glad that you're pushing GNCAP to be better and that drivers/riders are expected to be more responsible.. but i also hope our roads get better.. as that is also a major factor for accidents.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts @petrosexualdesign and we agree, in fact the video very clearly states each of these points. Our problem with NCAP is their ambiguity for some parts, and the marketing being misused to give the illusion that a 5-star car is all you'll ever need to be safe. If you think that there's absolutely nothing that you need to do better as a driver, then we can discuss the technicalities of being in a safer car protecting you better (again, it is true). But, how many of us can actually say that?
@@motorinc I hear you and agree with what you said.. I'm not even suggesting that I'm a perfect driver.. it's about making sure you do whatever you can that's within our control to come out as safe as possible from a crash.. because there are drivers out there who are just joyriding on the road, using their phones while driving, trying to be the next viral stuntman on the roads.. which we have no control over.. so I'll do what I can.. avoid crashes as much as possible and of course, get into the safest car possible. I'd always feel much safer in a 5 star car than something that can be dented by a falling mango.
Fantastic podcast and the best so far on a very important topic. The clarity and maturity you show is what most of us need A couple of things that you can probably mention or take it up Asa seperate podcast on what are things not to do as a driver be it a biker , a 4 wheel driver and a pedestrian. A simple thing a pedestrian can do is to walk towards the right hand side or onto oncoming traffic to be more careful and vigilant than walking on left. 2 wheelers /4 wheelers using the right side lane slowing vehicles behind and not allowing to overtake. Not slowing down abruptly on roads where vehicles are speeding.. taking turns on roads without basic precautions, driving opposit in one way roads.. How about a neutral agency who will certify new vehicle owners upon buying a vehicle and availing insurance renewal discounts or purchases. It would be interesting for you guys to plan and have a separate podcast with a discussion on how to drive safe . Driving with a sense of anticipation and also pointers as to what not to do and the mistakes that you see ppl making that can help all of us.
I believe such intellectual talks and topics, awareness programs should be part of a mandatory periodic refresher training to retain the licenses. It might not help instantly, but I’m sure it would definitely have significant impact over a longer period.
I had my eyes opened today . Thank you and the team for this wonderful episode. I did know that the driver is the one who needs to be more attentive and responsible on the roads , but the whole shenanigans behind the NCAP tests and how its used to mislead people was a great eyeopener. This content is not something we see in other channels and thank you for spitting facts like they were.
My 13 year-old Maruti Ritz was involved in an accident last year when a traffic police personnel suddenly stopped vehicles in the fast lane. The car I was following stopped, I screeched to a halt without locking up the wheel (remember the Ritz VXi never had ABS) and the Baleno driver behind me stopped in time too. However, a group of young drivers in their Honda WRV rammed into us from the rear, eventually causing a pile-up accident. My phone on the dashboard holder became a projectile and zoomed past my face to the boot. The car absorbed the impact by defornimg the rear hatch , rear bumper, the bonnet and the frontbumper. Since me and my friend were wearing the seat belts, we came out unscathed. The front passenger in the car behind us wasn't wearing the belt and got injured. Although people in my circle urged me to get a car with airbags, ABS, ADAS and what not, I continue to drive it with utmost caution. I get laughed at/mocked by idiots (both outside and inside the car) for driving like an uncle but I have developed a greater sense of spatial awareness ever since the accident. Mirrors are my friends and nothing stays loose on the dashboard anymore. The same goes for my motorcycle rides, where I prefer to go slow, keep an idea of what's happening behind me, and have total control over the vehicle. Kudos to Schumi and Karthik for speaking up on vehicle safety. As a budding automotive writer, I am glad to see experts discussing these boldly.
Both of you keep looking at the camera (mostly Sumi), make eye contact n keep talking.. Which is disturbing.. You may think that makes me feel part of the discussion but it's not.. I ended up listening to it instead of watching.. Also 1 hour of single sided talk < 20 mins of 2 sided debate..
8:03 Iirc Datsun go had a terrible C pillar, yet it went on sale. Datsun, being a Japanese company, eventually pulled the plug. Saw one yesterday on the highway, rice grain in the desert.
Such a necessary video. I have been told so many times that I have got a crap car in terms of safety when I got the Ignis in 2020. Apparently, the door doesn't close with a thud🥲 I have observed keeping calm and being patient on the roads automatically adds 2 stars to the car and the passengers within. It helps in better application of the skills as well and doesn't cloud the judgement through ego.
These experts don't know anything, my grandfather met with an accident in our 2009 Alto, the car managed well in that accident (it was his mistake a careless overtake) he hit a Mahindra major Car crumpled and the safety shell was pretty solid. But the Jeep got its chassis bent, front leaf suspension broken etc, The thing is if we test both these vehicles GNCAP will rate Alto with negative stars and Mahindra a 1 star 😂 but in real world this Alto will be a saviour ❤
NCAP's need to organise demolition derby event sponsored by car manufacturers. For the car manufacturers; sponsoring the event it can be a marketing thing, and NCAP can assess the durability of these cars on an even playing field based on their performance in the event.
@@motorinc 🙂 but jokes apart I have had the bad luck of being in some accidents and I know how scary that is. I particularly had two motorcycle accidents within a span of 50 days and that caused me so much trauma that I did not get back onto the motorcycle for about 6-7 months.
Still driving an 800 as well. Carburettor version. This thing is as analogue as it gets. I've changed as a motorist over the last several years. I ensure I drive at the same pace as traffic, crashing to me is the result of vehicles coming close enough to hit each other. Everyone roughly (at least with 4 wheelers) doing the same speeds can eliminate that hazard. I haven't had a close call in an extremely long time. Haven't had fender benders in over 2 years. And I need to drive through the thicket of Bengaluru traffic in whitefield. My secret has largely been refined from riding motorcycles actually. It's largely about knowing what your braking distances are at various speeds, avoiding bad traction spots on the road, positioning for visibility etc.
I think car manufacturers should atleast provide 4 star rated cars with stable bodyshell & also provide programs that spread awareness & improve the skill of the drivers
@@motorinc isn't this whataboutery? Safety regulations are not set in stone, they keep developing. Till the time no one dies in a car crash, there will be improvements. If we are demanding a 4/5 star car FOR NOW, what's wrong with that? Screen sizes inside cars change, does that mean you'll stop people from asking a 10 incher if in the future 15 inches will become standard?
Hey guys. Old car user here. Please share your thoughts on aftermarket TPMS - in North India the temps are high and tyre burst is common. Overpressure warning is useful. Also any thoughts on those ADAS warning systems which comes off the third party dashcams? They provide warnings. I have both but many don't
Fuel stations with high hygiene standards typically maintain a free air booth in working condition. These booths can either inflate or deflate your tyres, adjusting the pressure to the recommended levels, which may vary according to climatic conditions.
@@chrisredfield3467 bro when you are on expressway at 90 kmph . At 46 degrees ambient temp outside . The tyre pressure can increase without warning. It's better to know about it. Fuel pump won't help there
@@chrisredfield3467 I burst a 10k km old flawless tyre when I drove for 7 hours straight in Rajasthan in my Hexa. Temp n pressure builds up over time. I was lucky to escape without a scratch because it was the rear and not the front. and unfortunately my third party TPMS had just conked off a week ago.
Engrossing conversation as always. A few thoughts 10:34 - Shumi's surprise at test standards aligning with manufacturers' requirements is unexpected. Government regulation often begins with an ideal service of consumer interests and is then cut down to what the industry says it can manage. To be clear, I don't imply any party involved is specifically evil. Just that population based safety standards may work in the aggregate but they aren't meant to save individual lives. Guaranteeing individually specific safety is highly impractical and very expensive. 33:48 - NCAP, ISI, DOT, N95, USB, IPX, CE and infinitely more standards of all kinds end up being used as marketing tools imho. Otherwise, the consortiums of companies that pour money and talent into developing them "in collaboration with" testing bodies would never see returns. Not that it means they're all worthless but it's important to be aware of the possible motivation bias creeping within the structures and implementation of these standards.
this topic shines the biggest difference between something like WV/SKODA/FORD where safety is already a given to the point that they never even advertise it and something like TATA where they scream from rooftops how safe their cars are even though they build cars specifically to pass the tests and not for users.
but what happens in india is companies just bring unsafe cars that it becomes important for indian company to scream about safety.... which if u look closer then tata and mahindra did made other companies like renault, hyundai and other companies to bring better safer cars in india at competitive price....
Incorrect - VW markets Taigun as India's safest SUV - its the first thing on their website, the brochure has the Global NCAP rating on page 1. I remember seeing Skoda test drive cars having safest sedan printed on their sides. There may be many things wrong with Tata cars but to say they only scream safety is wrong. They must be appreciated for at least making safety one factor buyers consider while making purchase decision, thereby forcing every other car maker improve their product quality.
In a field setting...we follow cABCD I.e if there is(c) active (high flow/spurting)bleeding,it should be stopped first then Airway Breathing Circulation Disability in sequence is followed...c-spine is attended with Airway itself
Hey Finally a place where I can rant about the harms of quantification of crash test rating I absolutely despise the fact that we have tried to quantify crash test rating because the layman assumes it is the safety rating of the car but its not Also this rating gives a weird false safety net to driver of the vehicle that if there is crash he will not be harmed and will drive less cautiously or become a complete douche-bag. I have just recently started commuting using my scooter and the number of people who fly with their cars in narrow streets is absolutely mind boggling Your advise does help alot of young drivers so never stop this guys. And thanks to your advise Of being "slow and smooth will eventually lead to faster riding or driving" with riding is such a great help (And no unnecessary honking) But yeah now the next advise which I trying to inculcate is that ABC of "Always be caring " At times due to bad mood swings of mine I maybe quite rude but I am working on it. And Kartikeya's advise of imagining the drivers to be your relatives is helping me reach that point. Just Thanking you guys again to guide us young riders and drivers to be better versions of ourselves
There is no age limit buddy. We all assume young riders are the ones who make mistakes. Just come to Hyderabad and see for yourself. The sheer stupidity on the road will drive you crazy.
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733I hear you brother. I see weird ways people crash. My friend I will discuss about what are possibilities to end up like that.
Thank you for talking about this. This episode was a real eye opener. Two takeaways that I think are important: 1. Buy a car irrespective of its "safety rating" as long as it meets your needs. 2. Don't drive like an idiot. If you encounter idiots on the road be patient and let them do their thing.
Hey Anirudh! _Feels safe to you_ and _I'm in control_ is the first layer of the safety evaluation. This will create confident driving, which helps point 2 as well. Then comes the backup plan to this, which can be the safety rating, to some extent.
Hey firstly love your work! I know you have spoken about first time car buyers! but have one more question! I a beginner in driving going to driving school got my license want to buy a new car! So what should be my take on the safety rating of the cars provided my car is equipped with all the active safety features and I don't have a lot of room for the budget but will be willing to break my banks a bit because! I am a new driver and might be more prone to harming others and myself?
You guys just gave a dilemma for life. Whether to wear specs or not? it's technically a loose projectile, and airbags are going open up even in minor crashes, If it does the specs glasses will blow up my eyes, as those will be shrapnel on top of the airbag. If I don't wear it I will definitely crash into something will driving. Oh No, my life will never be the same. What to do. And I want a reply for this. Make a video. Its a big bunch of people having specs with lingering dilemmas at the back of our minds.
That's a different but certainly valid question @Rupeshkumar-qy7hf. It's true to an extent but other people have such dilemmas too. Not as pertinent or serious but almost all of us drive with our phones near the armrest or in the cupholders while driving and that could become a projectile as well. The point that we're trying to make is that you can never prepare yourself for 100% of the likelihood of anything. So, do the best that you can instead. Try to minimise the unfastened things in your car while driving because as you said, you'll definitely crash into something if you aren't driving with specs on so it's better to have them on than to constantly worry. Latest glasses, in our limited experience (some of us at MotorInc do use reading glasses and computer glasses), are very well-made and won't shatter that easily. So, the odds of them ever becoming a sharp, flying shrapnel is very infinitesimal. So, just invest in good quality specs and that should take care of most of your concerns.
@@motorinc My point being, in an accident, your glasses will be one of the first things that will absorb the huge airbag blast/shock (assuming steering airbag) Your glasses are basically working as an EPS between your face and the airbag. So will those good-quality glasses be able to resist that and not shatter? Does the industry/org have mandates/SOPs for that maybe?
True lot time ppl with mauruthi 800s or altos in two decades ago didn't met with fatal accidents like ppl are getting into now,because now everyone feel licenced to overspeed as we have 5 star rating..its our ego or carelesnse which is the reason..you guys are awesome..bliss to ears.. pls keep come up with such info to create more awerness and build a better riding or driving community
This has actually very informative session. That's what "some people will say". I remember one line from Jeremy Clarkson ( motorworld episode about the family car.) SUVs are not good at avoiding accidents, but what they are very good at is dealing with them when it happens". This clearly is the key, being the better driver is more than that of crash rating. Clearly people are thinking of SUVs are safer bet, because it provides cushion when do crash happens. Its like "people "are thinking as if they are invincible when they bought 5* rated car and license to be maniac on the road. Thats the worry part. Seriously eye opener for me. Lot of myths busted. Thanks:) What really is sad though - ₹NCAP₹ sticker has become seal of approval for safety. Atleast I believe, safety is collection of parameters and not just NCAP rating.( paraphrasing from Motowagon)
Saw this episode today and hours later in the news: “Toyota Chairman Akio Toyoda apologized on Monday for massive cheating on certification tests for seven vehicle models as the automaker suspended production of three of them.” Just adds to what you guys were talking about
I want you guys to explain accelerated driving vs cruising vs decelerated motion during a crash!! From the beginning any and everyone has told me that speed is a problem, and i do drive when possible at 100 kmph. But very low awareness about the use of the accelerator as a safety tool on the highway, dont floor it, just cruise... People will be surprised with the reaction time differences and results.
I've noticed that you've criticized crash star ratings in your past videos now I understand your point of view. Crash tests are like your teacher giving you important questions for exams, anything out of syllabus and you are f'ed.
Gone through a lot of comments and realized that yes there are more aware drivers on the road and yes there are still customers who do not just blindly buy a car just by the NCAP rating score. I guess that what explains why people still opt for cars that drives better to a car that has a better safety rating. Glad to not see bullshit like "tin ka dabba".
Much required discussion… perhaps there are various parameters to determine how safe is a car and crash rating and worthiness is one of them. And now widely used by manufacturers to convince one’s safety… in other words… they are selling fear. However I feel it was required to come… especially when we think of decades back when compact and subcompact SUVs weren’t born and diesel was much cheaper. And SUVs was known as body on frame lazy heavy metals accessible to few. Then came a powerful SUV that was accessible to any and many and they sold fears through their ads as sedan killers. On road they bullied smaller car owners fearing for their loved ones with them, because they know how much they behave themselves on road, they are helpless while encountering an ape behind the wheels of these heavy metals. So they started owning it too till compact n subcompact crossovers came in. It’s just that the crash rating is trying to democratize certain parameters of safety, and showed how weak is this bully SUV was… else fear was sold to us much earlier. But yes… we have to mind our on road behavior, be predictable and safe to other road users and respect the norms and limits. Safety is a collective responsibility of road users, authorities, manufacturers and auto journals… those SUV madness could’ve been arrested much earlier… and now.
Thank you for sharing your take @sandiipmohanty9819. Safety is indeed a collective responsibility and it never should be about the size of the vehicle or its crash test ratings alone.
poofff.. u guys just blew my mind.. i started this episode with thinking that you guys will talk about some elite stuff which wont really matter for a middle class straight thinking ppl like me.. but u completely changed my mind.. it takes guts to tell the truth the way it is .. i think u guys said the truth out in the open.. i cannot expect such truths from ppl who are on the easier side of automotiv industry or who want to be on the right side of the automotive industry.. now i know that i can trust u guys completely and whole heartedly.. and yes .. now i will subscribe your channel schumi.. this is Dr Sushant Kurhade from Aamchi Mumbai..
To the most extent i agreed with this podcast. But as soon as you said that Maruti is also good at safety and they need to crumble i lost faith and trust on this video. I have lost friends who had a crash in a maruti car at very slow speeds and they still passed away due to a pedestrian jaywalking. Gone are the days maruthis were good now they are just bad. I dont know how you can even support what maruti is doing now. I dont believe you guys skew views based on if you are paid or not but i just dont agree with maruti being good at safety.
Awesome work guys….. One thing I want to add for example a virtus ( with 5 star) is more likely to perform better in uncontrolled environment than a swift ( 2 star) And is it worth to buy a safer car if it saves you and your family from even a single fatal accident - I think absolutely, I see it as an investment. What do u guys think??? Open to ur views too Thanks again
Thank you for sharing your thoughts @aaditya2401. We firmly believe that the driver's skill comes first and that should always be paid more attention. If you're confident of that, then choose whichever car works best for you.
Its good to have safer cars but it still shouldn't be the most important thing to look for in a car and disregard anything that does not have a rating as the testing methods differ greatly from the actual road situations. A great podcast as usual on a great topic !!
Tyres are an extremely underrated component of safety. Many people choose the budget option but Tyres are one place where it is okay to splurge. I would greatly appreciate it if you could do a segment on Tyres.
Hearing both of you of an hour, really affirm the same thoughts which another RUclipsr : Gagan Choudhary shared in his video. I also believe that driver skills matter much more than the Crash Test Ratings. People don’t put seat belts, don’t have child seats and drive carelessly. These should be marketed more than the crash test ratings. I live in Indore, and hardly see any child seats in any car. These things should be promoted more by authority and car makers. I also feel, dash cams should be installed in every cars. This will make drivers accountable.
The moment a metric (like crash ratings) becomes a goal, it loses the credibility on being an accurate/reliable metric. (Goodhart's Law). People (manufacturers) will start optimising for the metric, rather than the use case.
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Why can't they do crash test by considering the worst case scenario? Why don't standards quote the worst case such as trucks?
For medical devices, FDA & ISO ,EU have strict regulations for worst case scenario
@@craveforcinema9560 Because beyond a certain point, 5 and 0 star might perform alike. And that won't be a marketable material for the companies to show their products superior.
Also what can be considered a worst case is subjective. Getting under a bus? Crushed under a battle tank? Jumping from cliff to a lake? The moment you consider and standardize one of such conditions is the same moment it gets 'controlled' and becomes a lab test. Real world has many variables playing. One can have a tyre burst resulting in jumping off the cliff, other might be brakes failing, other can be already being hit by a truck. A car's crash safety performance will perform differently at each of these three situations, however they're ending off a cliff in all of these.
Instincts before ego people , the guy who just overtook me stopped at the same light , this happens everyday. If you're in a hurry speeding isn't gonna get you there , speed when you know you can for sure . "your mind has better TC and ABS than any bike / car trust it not your ego " - EX police driver .(not me)
Absolutely!
Meeting people like you on same signal would be rare for us its effective drive for us for you milage may be 😂
@@MrDrone-qt6sw it's not about mileage or efficiency even if you get there 4-5 minutes earlier it's rarely worth it .
the problem starts when the idiots don't stop at the stop light. it's happening more and more around me it seems.
Agreed . Want to add something here- Don't speed ever.. Go at your own pace.. I drive at 60-70kmph in normal traffic as well because that is my usual comfortable speed. I have tested myself a thousand times and I know my limit is around 90-100 kmph in city so I go 10kmph slower. If someone drop from the sky I know I can stop comfortably. Ofcourse there is an if, if I'm not distracted or careless.
What a brilliant episode! This must be shown to everyone who is buying a car!
I worked in the legal department of a leading insurance company and was handling third party claims. Basically, I was part of the system that deals with the aftermath of the accidents that happen. A vast majority of the accidents happened because of driver error and I have seen families been destroyed because the driver wasn't careful enough. Simple things like drive 5kmph slower, wear seatbelts, slowdown before making turns, dont rage out when somebody overtook you, etc., will make a massive difference. The five star car may end up saving your life but it won't help you to avoid destroying the family of the other party involved in the crash.
Back in 1992, I lost my father to what was a very minor collision between an autorickshaw and a scooter coming out of a petrol bunk. My father was riding pillion on the scooter and if he was wearing helmet, he would have been alive. It's been 32 years since then and i still can't fathom why there are people riding around without helmets.
Similarly my uncle got into a crash once and what saved the family were seatbelts. The number of people who drive without seatbelts even today is simply astounding.
The crash tests try to figure out what happens in a crash and how a car will perfom in that one set of conditions which have been approximated to mimic what the designers of the test thought was the best approximation. Real world is chaotic.
By controling what you can do to avoid getting into a crash, by doing all that you can to drive safely, not just so you can protect yourself and your family or the passengers, but also those around you, you automatically and dramatically reduce the probability of ever needing all those stars.
I think there should also be a video where Shumi and Karthikeya can go about a whole bucket list of obvious but absolutely necessary things people can do to to become better drivers, a whole hour of content that after seeing, people can go, damn, that was obvious, why wasnt i doing this in the first place. I think content like this episode and every tip that you guys give for people to become better drivers, will only help in reducing the accidents.
Glad I am a member. Thank you once again!
Hey @MrSMK21! Glad you found the podcast episode helpful! Thanks for the suggestion for the better driving oriented podcast/video too! And thank you for our generosity. It means the world to us!
Also - SMK - that’s for sharing something so personal with the MotorInc family. Much love to you and your family from us.
@@motorincthank you for the kind words. Road safety is a topic quite close to my heart and this video struck a chord. ❤
Upvote for the suggestion on video being better drivers.
Remember what a great car sage once said :
" Speed has never killed anyone , it's the sudden stopping that gets you"........
Haha true
Jeremy Clarkson
Sometimes his genius generates gravity
"..Suddenly becoming stationary, that's what gets you."
Hmmmm...I can see your anarack levels here
Kartikeya going "Thanks man" at 26:25 while Shumi explains primary and secondary charge in mines😂😂
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And he didn't even get to the part where the projectiles slashes the meaty surface. 😅
There are two variations of ABC that I try to be mindful of at all times.
1. 'Always Be Cautious" - Be cautious of yourself. Be cautious of others.
2. 'Always Be Caring' - Arguably the more important thought. Be considerate. Be patient. Be kind.
Remember that we all have friends, partners, family, jobs, EMIs, rent, dreams and more. And we're all just trying to go from point A to point B.
Be it on the road or through life.
Thank you for attending my TED talk !
where can we sign up for the next one? 😁 Thanks for sharing SuperV!
You forgot taxes !! 😂 Common how can you do that we earn 4 months a year just to fill the govt pockets
Brilliant stuff Shumi and Kartikey 🙌This piece of content offers a comprehensive overview of the broad topic of automotive safety. Crash tests provide a basic understanding of a car's construction and its potential performance under certain conditions, though these conditions can vary significantly in the real world. The key aspect to focus on in a crash test is the stability of the vehicle's structure. While airbags are valuable additions, the ability of the car's shell to absorb impact is of paramount importance.
After observing various crash tests, including some 'sponsored’ ones, a critical question arises for manufacturers: Have they designed their cars to achieve higher scores in crash tests, or to genuinely protect occupants? There have been several real-world crashes involving certain brands where the vehicles have easily toppled. This is just one example of many, but the Global NCAP tests seem to overshadow these crucial aspects of safety. We need to adopt a more holistic view of automotive safety, beyond just the safety ratings.
Spot on! And the difference between the feature does its job and the feature ticks off a box is a odd place for an industry to be, no?
90-95% Indians are not ready for this podcast and conversation yet i am damn sure
It’s there whenever they are. 😁
absolutely man...
Insightful! We need conversations about safety to be around roads, infrastructure, rules, fines, potholes, licence tests and so much more… We deserve this with the number of vehicles on our roads and the accidents we have.
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Yes but all of these depend on the govt. So talking and expecting things is........... well you know what im gonna say.
Just recently, didnt the govt say something along the lines of - driving schools themselves can issue licenses instead of the useless department, sorry, i mean, the rto, and that they wont be responsible for it?
That part was funny to me. Was the rto accepting responsibility before?
Guys can you please discuss in a podcast about how bad driving is actually something that contributes to the chaotic traffic jams, higher wear and tear of vehicles, increases overall stress levels and subsequently health of the average citizen? This in turn affects the economy due to poorer health, loss of time with drastically low average speeds/high fuel consumption in our country = lower productivity.
Also people go out less due to fears of traffic jams contriburing to businesses struggling.
Loss of loved ones in traffic accidents throws families out of financial stability and puts some people into poverty.
Some things to be implemented to solve a majority of these problems:
* teach the importance of lane discipline/clearly marked lanes
* we need to introduce comprehensive driving test overhauls and make everyone recertify themselves over a 7 year period - ideally copy the curriculum of germany.
- this is especially necessary for commercial vehicles.
* Import road use hygiene/etiquette/culture from the north east.
* Also define criteria for submitting complaints with dashcam footage on drivers breaking rules, this will help enforce rules in a decentralised manner.
Would be great to listen to you guys discussing this.
Good idea! Thanks @madmicroscope!
This completely changed my thought process. Thanks a lot guys. And I am a fan of both Schumi and Shumi. 😁
Shumi and Schumi thank you.
The point at 37:10 is such a great one!
Taking motorsport as an example, an F1 car crashed at the Marina Bay Street Circuit last year and social media went abuzz saying "Oh my God the car has such poor safety as it looked like it broke into pieces" but little did they know that that was an indicator that the car was doing its job in protecting the driver well and that was the reason the driver walked away with just minor injuries!
Spot on!
Yes that's true, but there is also the difference between a well made crumple zone and just weak front end. What matters is that how much of impact was absorbed and whatever impact force was remaining after that should not reach passengers for it to be serious. For example maruti cars have crumple zone but it is too weak that it can't restrain the impact to itself. This is also a fact that should be considered. So, bad looking car after an accident is good till some point, after that it is really bad
@@vasujadav2772 A car with "weak frontend" aka crumple-zone will protect whilash/spinal cord injuries, the cabin needs to be strong and protect from any direct impact from outside .... that weak-frontend is essentially last line of defense in terms of "Braking"
Also , if you think strong/rigid metal bodies makes a safer car , then retrofit some airbags and seatbelt inside ambassador , that'd also get 5-star safety in G-NCAP.
@@ankitsharma203 bro you didn't understand what i said, i said the same thing that crumple zone is necessary but it also should be atleast srong enough to prevent shock from reaching cabin
@@vasujadav2772 but that thing is very difficult to design
for example ,
1) crumple zone designed for collision of 60kmph will work perfectly at speed from 40-80 , at lower speed it won't crumple but whiplash won't be too serious either
2) a car designed to absorb collision of 100 kmph , will perform well from 80-120 , but in those cars when you collide at slow speed say 60 , you'll have to withstand the whiplash
now you have to figure what speed collision you're more likely to be into.
and if you happen to be in collision of 100kmph in a 60kmph crumple zone , then you definitely want a strong and rigid cabin to protect you.
So all i'm trying to say is I want strong cabins from manufacturer nothing much.
BTW crumple zones also slows down "the projectiles" aka loose objects in you car that might impale you.
I just have a perspective, in a normal highway the speed limit is set to 80 but ofcourse we don't follow it... But with the vehicles able to manage 120 fairly easily, when we stick with the rules, it becomes really boring to drive and thereby induces a fatigue and thereby drowsy and thereby accidents which the data you explained suggests in highway rides... Or when we come across someone who is following the rules, we feel restless as we consider them stopping the flow of vehicles and our aim is to pass them as quickly as possible and make a move on... Maybe the speed limits should go a little High and if they are going to fine me for over speeding they should also fine vehicles that are under speeding which could create chaos in the flow of traffic and thereby unnecessary accidents...
Please make a video on how to prepare for a long drive be it in a car or a bike.... How we should prepare ourselves physically mentally and plus how to prepare our vehicle as well for the drive/ride
We understand what you mean @vethanishanth6667 but in a country that seems to have very little driving discipline as ours, wouldn't increasing the speed limit to 120 want people to drive at 150kmph instead? By your own logic! Which will inevitably lead to higher number of accidents so we don't think that's happening any time soon. To be clear, most of our highways are capable of handling more speed but most of our drivers clearly aren't!
We have covered this in Season 1. Please check it out: ruclips.net/video/ftMdpjosoMM/видео.htmlsi=9jsTfHhrUo8y__tt
@@motorinc Yeah, sounds like a reasonable point... Like you suggested in the podcast the entitlement we have on ourselves that we are a better driver than everybody else should go away... I know I am not a perfect driver but everyday Iam improving myself to be a better one. I am angry at the other driver for a situation immediately but after a point when I think about it I realise I could have done it a bit differently not to end up in that situation... Self realisation of how good a driver we are could improve the situation I think... Thank you for explaining the reality of what would happen. I can understand now...
I just completed my masters in Mass communication & these podcasts does feel like I am attending a lecture on Automobile journalism. The way these guys simplify things & explain every tiny details, is remarkable. Keep going guys , we need such podcasts to educate masses on such topics
Congrats! All the best for your next steps. First job in hand?
@@motorinc Thank you. No I don't have any job in hand right now. I'm looking for one. But before that , for some reason my pancreas is producing too much insulin which is troubling me in my daily routine life , I need to get it sort out first. It's been 3 years like this & just last week I got to know that I might have a small tumor in my pancreas which could be the reason behind overproduction of insulin. I got no choice but to focus on my health first. Oops Oversharing 😅 But thanks guys.
Wishing u speedy recovery❤@@axitsuthar7900
@@axitsuthar7900get well soon bro 💪
@@axitsuthar7900 Take care Axit. Get well super soon and hit the road 😊
Very good podcast. Simplifying safety to just the crash rating doesn't make sense. I dont have a problem with safety ratings. At the end of the day, it does give a sense of how the car will perform in an unfortunate situation. But It is important to acknowledge that the rating is something most people don't encounter (A crash) and avoiding those instances is what is actually way SAFER. There are other elements to safety that adds up to a safe driving experience.
Well put summary of the episode @siddarthnatrajan8871. And thanks for joining us!
Man! I don’t think we Indians can ever understand the conversation.. You guys are AMAZING! The depth in your knowledge is mind blowing. We are a country where people protest against helmets being mandatory. We think about accidents until it happens in our own family or May be when it happens to us!
Thank you for joining us @ankitbende2474!
Majority, would stop watching in the initial few minutes... And then there are Indians like us, talking and listening with his interest level ...
Let me ask you this, if you are traveling towards an unlit truck at a speed of 100kmph, would you rather be in a fortuner or an ignis / ciaz?
Good question @Rathoresid7! We'll use our headlamps, regardless of whichever car we're in, and avoid crashing. Works?
@@motorinc Oh come now, gentlemen. Do you really mean that in earnest? How come that same logic does not seem to hold when we're talking about, say, motorcycle helmets? Why are we then reaching for the Arais and Shoeis? How come the principle of, "keep your eyes open and avoid crashing," doesn't apply then? Far be it from me to be prescriptive -- to each unto his own; I'm just quite nonplussed by your take on this.
Thank you for the feedback @ChetanRao. Let us clear this up one more time. Comparing wearing helmets on a motorcycle directly to being in a 5-star car doesn't make any sense to us. Because, if we aren't wearing a helmet, and we're assuming no other safety gear too, that means the rider only has themselves to absorb all the impact from a potential crash. To be absolutely clear, Kartikeya and Shumi insist on safety gear but don't recommend any particular brand over the other so if you can get an Arai, go for it! Or any other helmet and other gear with the necessary certification should work too!
But, that's not the case with sitting in a car, is it? All cars in India have passed a mandatory crash test at 55kmph and all of them have crumple zones, and a shell to protect any and all passengers from an impact. How could these two things be the same?
We're not disagreeing with the effectiveness of a crash test in determining a car's ability to absorb more impact. It is true that in the 5% likelihood you being in a crash they will offer more protection (how much more is literally next to impossible to determine due to the missing variables, as discussed in the episode) but for the remaining 95% , driving better alone is enough. Everything else comes next. Hope this helps you!
@@motorinc true, but in Indian conditions driving carefully alone does not mean you'll be safe, for example, once I was traveling from Indore to Mumbai, my car was at a standstill at a junction when a 16 wheeler truck rammed my car, had I been in a car with lesser star rating, my chances of having fatal injuries would have been a lot more!
@@motorinc Thank you, sir, but that wasn't my question. Without naming names, there are helmets that are ECE rated that one can buy for as little as 5k INR. These have passed a test. They meet some criteria, just like all the cars that passed a crash test at 55 kmph did. Is it this channel's position that going and buying a Shoei or Arai is a waste of money since there are many other helmets that have passed some other standard of test anyway?
A passionate case against an overemphasis on crash test ratings, albeit one that is undermined, in my opinion, by some critical logical flaws and inconsistencies.
As a disclaimer, I should point out that neither do I drive a 5-star-rated car, nor is that parameter going to be a deal-breaker (or clincher) for me when buying my next car; I am not personally vested in this debate.
One of the main issues I take with your argument is the false dichotomy between prioritising driver skill and relying on safety features. These are not mutually exclusive approaches to road safety. They both can and should play important roles.
You may say that you aren't entirely dismissing the value of safety features, but respectfully, I believe your argument overemphasises driver skill to the point of downplaying the relevance of crash test ratings. And that it is being presented as a binary choice.
If it is really true that the average Indian car buyer obsesses over crash safety ratings and trivialises the importance of driver skills, it seems to me that you’re just doing the same, but in the opposite direction.
What’s more, I contend that your use of statistics and data doesn’t actually support the point that you’re trying to make.
You mention that most accidents are caused by driver error, and that most crashes are single-car crashes. Based on this, you argue that driver skill is the most important factor in road safety.
But you’re ignoring the base rate - the total number of car trips and driving situations that occur without any accidents. Let's say there are a million car trips in a given year, and a thousand of them result in accidents. And that out of those thousand accidents, 90% are caused by driver error.
Sounds like a lot, but it’s actually only 900 out of the total one million trips. The vast majority of trips - 999,100 - didn’t result in any accidents at all, REGARDLESS of driver skill. (Shumi says this himself at some point, but went elsewhere with it.)
If we really want use data to understand the role of driver skill in road safety, we need to look at the accident rates for drivers of different skill levels across all trips, not just the proportion of accidents caused by driver error.
This doesn't mean that driver skill is unimportant or that we shouldn't strive to improve driver training and education. But it does suggest that focusing solely on driver skill as the primary solution to road safety may be misguided, and I think the statistics again bear me out on this, in more ways than one.
For example, the notion that if you're a highly skilled driver, you'll be much less likely to get into an accident - actually, over time, your likelihood of getting into an accident tends to converge towards the average accident rate for all drivers, regardless of your individual skill level.
In other words, being a highly skilled driver does not make you immune to regression to the mean. Over time, your accident risk will tend towards the average risk for all drivers.
And as Taleb might point out, you’re ignoring the fact that rare events can and do have disproportionate effects on outcomes. Even if the vast majority of accidents are caused by driver error, the rare instances of equipment failure or external factors can still have a catastrophic impact on overall fatalities and injuries.
Besides, crash safety features are designed to protect occupants when accidents occur, regardless of the cause. Dismissing their relevance because most crashes are due to driver error is a non-sequitur that ignores the potential benefits these features can provide in mitigating the consequences of accidents.
Even if it is true that 90% of accidents are caused by driver error and that most crashes are single-car crashes, dismissing the probability of a vehicle with “superior” safety features (at least, on paper) providing benefits over one with lesser features, seems rather a bit of an overreach. All other things being equal, if a car is involved in a crash, it is reasonable to expect that one with a 5-star crash rating will perform in some measurable way better than one with a 1-star safety rating. That performance delta holds true regardless of whether you’re a highly skilled driver or an atrocious one.
And the “5-star safety ratings make you a more careless or reckless driver,” argument is wild! By that logic, you wearing motorcycle safety gear when you ride a motorcycle arguably makes you a more reckless rider. After all, if for some reason, you had to ride the same motorcycle in the same conditions without any safety gear, wouldn’t you ride even more cautiously than you normally do? Ergo, all riders using safety gear are automatically a greater hazard to themselves and others. Seems a bit much.
While it's fair to point out potential limitations and flaws in the crash test ratings system, dismissing the entire enterprise of crash testing as a mere marketing ploy doesn’t make your argument more credible.
All in all, I think this comes down to some variation of the “the risks I am okay with are sensible, the risks you are okay with are stupid,” argument that is so widely prevalent in the automotive enthusiast community as a whole.
Still, a thoroughly engaging and entertaining video (as always), and anything that produces discussion is always welcome. Thank you, and keep going!
Ya but where are the views in that
@@PLWatcher-kr3bc To be fair, I don't think this was just an attempt at gaining views. I think they're speaking from genuine conviction.
Did you actually even watch the video? At no point do they say safety features don't matter.
@@pchardwareexplorer9695 I did watch the entire video. At no point in my comment did I claim that they said that safety features don't matter, but yes, I take your point: invalidating crash safety ratings may not have been their intention. But if you scroll through the comments on this video, you'll quickly see that regardless of whatever their intention was, the takeaway that a lot of folks seem to be getting from this is, "just ignore crash safety ratings, and focus on being a better driver." Which, look, I embrace on a personal level, but I don't believe that it is an objective and dispassionate point of view. And it's arguably not a great thing to be encouraging drivers to do, because, let's face it, how many of us really do all the things that we know we should be doing? We know we should eat better, we know we should exercise more often, we know we should use gadgets less, we know we should hydrate more, and on and on, but that doesn't stop us from persisting in our habits. Improving one's driving skills is likely no different. In all probability, most of the folks who leave this video aren't suddenly going to buy tickets to fly to a Swiss driving school. But the next time they're buying a car, they might just think, "Those car experts said crash safety ratings don't matter." So, I think it's really debatable whether this advice makes anybody any safer.
What a wonderful podcast!! ❤
Silly me thought the bike one was best one.
This stole my heart. I'm going to share with all of my family members and they are going to argue this and that and still not okay about wearing rear seat belts. But with these pointers from both shumi and Karthikeya, i am sure I'll hold up my end of debate too.
Also, this conversation removed the confusion i had regarding the 3 star car with stable body shell and 5 star car with unstable body shell.
It's like talking about which branded bat i should buy to play cricket. It's always the skill of batsmen which matters!!
It's the ability of the driver to avoid the crash which matters more than the crash rating of the car.
Very very underrated statement and not many people are ready for this. 😂
Thank you for the kind words @5bhuvan! And well said!
26:25 that “Thanks man” resonated with my SOUL. 😂😂Love the edit on Shumi getting too excited about Anti-Personnel mines 😂😂
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I mean the mechanism of the mine he described is ingenious, from an engineering point of view. But it is nasty nasty stuff. It's called an S-mine
I was one of those guys who did consider the crash test until I dug deeper. That being said if these ratings do give me a better car however miniscule I would take it. Would it be the only factor for me to buy no, but I would also not buy a car that is rated less than three. Like you guys have said driving better is living longer. I will attempt to champion that every time I drive a car. Awesome episode.
Thank you for joining us @giridharanvel919 and for sharing your thoughts too!
Do you think it is sensible to buy car with 0-2 stars crash test rating? I agree that most accidents are avoidable even if you didn't cause it, but all you need is one crash to change your life, right? It is 100% possible to be involved in a potentially fatal crash even you're going under the speed limits and aware of your surroundings. This video has convinced me to get off the crash test craze. IMO at least 3 stars are necessary in accordance with todays standards.
Thanks for sharing your perspective @user-cg2tb9or2l!
This podcast truly opened my eyes. Back in 2018, when I was in the market for a car with a budget of 5 to 6 lakhs, I considered options like the Swift, i10, and Tiago. However, I chose the Tiago, primarily because it was the first 4-star safe car available my decision was influenced by my wife's discomfort with traditional seatbelts, (preferring those with height adjusters). Although I had to compromise on certain features like airbags and ESP, watching this episode made me realize the folly in our consumer choices. While I still harbor reservations towards Maruti for their lightweight and seemingly inferior build quality, I acknowledge the importance of the power-to-weight ratio. (light car gives us good performance if it has a peppy engine) Yet, I cannot overlook the role marketing played in swaying my decision.
The podcast also sheds light on the importance of being a responsible driver. Having learned to drive in my early teens, I've maintained a clean driving record over the past 20 years, save for a minor scrape. Moreover, I prioritize safety, ensuring my five-year-old son always wears a seatbelt, even though I haven't invested in a specialized seat for him yet. As an Indian, I believe it's crucial for our safety culture to evolve, not just on the roads, but across various aspects of our lives like cooking, working, and traveling.
Kudos to Motor Inc. for delivering such an enlightening and thought-provoking episode. I walked away from it with a wealth of knowledge far beyond what I initially anticipated.
Thank you for sharing your take AP, glad to hear from you again! And please, do invest in a child seat as soon as possible!
I know some guys who think that driving a car recklessly, overtaking with close calls, speeding unnecessarily is "skills" and when i tell them hey drive carefully, they (not talking about me in the third person) say "don't worry i got this, I'm skilled" or "don't be a p*ssy". As you said, you can buy a car with all the stars for safety but you cannot buy good driving etiquettes
And that’s the kind of mindset that takes the ratings and abuses them by being even more careless. 😑
Great conversation, and liked the conversation. Always be a better driver and always take care of your vehicles keep them serviced and upto date, so that you and the machine are always safe and in good condition. As someone who has driven here and internationally, always be in gear, and drive safe, it will help you to keep on driving more.
Well said @hellrzr45!
It is Awesome that you guys are taking pains of reading documents and presenting such great quality content..
In the month of April i travelled to Kerela with my wife and son (9 months old) and we carried the car seat with us.. It was a logistic hassle.. I had to pay a bit extra at the airport.. But I didn’t mind it.. We were driving in a rented car with my son in the car seat .. Wife was in the backseat with seatbelt on..
Last month my wife and my son went to her place and the car seat went with them.. Whenever they go out, my son sits in the car seat.. Slowly, there is a cultural change that we are trying to bring in our families by requesting our parents and siblings to wear seatbelts in the rear seat as well.. Sometimes the idea is not taken in the letter and spirit but we continue to insist..
Well done Anurag! Once you get used to it, there’s no going back.
Waiting for the next ep cause I am gonna be getting a V-Strom SX in the next few months. Also curious what's the origin of Shumi's tradition of naming his motorcycles with an F ? And does Kartick name his motorcycles ?
I hope this conversation reaches many people, both of you have done justice to this topic.
I would like to also add that, lights, reflectors and mirrors are also very important to safety discussion. Simple, basic maintenance will help us not become active hazards on the street.
Thanks Milind! Do share as you see fit.
With these podcasts "I" want😅 you both are unintentionally making me a better driver I mean obviously I am 2 out of 10 but I think is that I will at least from doing that one risky thing on the road I would first give it a thought that's what I'm hoping thank you for doing an excellent job I mean for me. The job being a teacher to some of people my age 18-19 is directing them towards being better on the road .
Thank you for joining us @learningphotography4491! And for the kind words too.
This comment is in regard to your next episode.
I wanted to thank Shumi and share that i am 22 years old and i had purchased my first bike 2 and half years ago which is the continental gt650. I had learnt riding on a splendor ismart for two weeks and applied for license and went to book the bike. I remember following Shumi for a long time back then and following simplified series particularly. It was watching him and learning from him for years that gave me confidence as well the understanding of what skills i absolutely needed to acquire on a motorcycle, whatever its power may be. Today i can proudly say that my motorcycling journey so far has been a absolute delight and safe. If it wasn’t for shumi ,i wouldn’t have been able to unlock motorcycling to such extent, especially given what the social media is offering to new aspiring young kids in terms of motorcycling content today.
Awesome! Thank you for telling us this TIU! We're thrilled we've been able to help!
Amazing buddy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Amazing amazing video. I was planning to buy my first car and this video is a eye opener for me. Great work team MotorInc 💥
Glad it was helpful @saisumithchetpally2460!
50% car's strength + 50% drivers skill = 99.99% safety + .01% luck
Heya Sarvan! Loved it. Hehe
You are off by. 01%
It's pretty insightful however one question I have is should we give the car manufacturers a free pass on giving us cheap products by pulling back on safety? Yes I do agree that at certain speed it doesn't matter whether you are inside a bubble or a tank you can get killed. However, should we give the manufacturers a free pass on giving us low quality airbags or a product which has questionable structural integrity? Because if the manufacturers think that they can get away with a zero star car don't you think they will try to bring in a minus 1 star car just to increase their profits?
That's a good question @entername3840 but there's such a thing as a mandatory crash test conducted by the Government of India for every single car that's sold here and if a car fails that test, for any reason (including structural weakness), it will not be allowed to be sold here so we don't see any car that's currently on sale here being so weak that its structure itself is weak. What you're asking for is a valid question and would make it an alarming concern if there was no Government body regulating it. But that's not the case yet so it shouldn't be a concern.
That being said, we should definitely ask for better built cars and we're slowly but steadily getting there, we believe.
As a data science enthusiast I am very happy that Shumi has spoken about the "correlation" aspect and the backend team has done some extensive study on the data models before saying such conclusions .....Would love to see the dataset from which you derived the conclusion.
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Wait, if I study, analyse and understand the Indian car market, how the sales of each vehicle is happening and if I say "not all Indians can afford safety" doesn't mean I'm gonna buy such a vehicle 😅 For example we clearly know Ather is a better product than Ola so I'm eyeing for Ather. But that doesn't mean we can ignore the tremendous sales of Ola. That you've to acknowledge sir 🤔
We don't understand what you're trying to say @Satadry74x9? Explain please.
@@motorinc ok sure. During a part of the video Shumi sir said why I might know people who will buy unsafe or bad quality products? Is it because I'm one of those customers. In that context I said that I might not be part of the people and it's just because I saw the sales of that product and general public opinion on it from different sources and analyse the ground reality of what that product is doing right for that type of customer is what informing me about the success of that product resonating which part in the society. And I gave the example of Ather being a superior quality product supplier than Ola will make me eye for Ather only, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the success of Ola. So knowing a part of demographics doesn't mean you get included in that particular demographic as well. That's what I tried to say here.
Ah right, gotcha! Thanks for clarifying.
Talking about Volvo, they use the highest percentage of Boron In their steel (24%). The boron infused steel makes the steel stronger and protects the passengers during an impact.
No data regarding the boron percentage is available for Tata, Mahindra, VW, Škoda etc. (I personally tried to inquire).
I also feel that all the electronic safety equipments are just deterrents during and accident. Considering the chaos which we see on Indian roads on a daily basis, manufacturers should start designing the car to withstand passenger safety during an impact, which Volvo does.
My sister had a small crash on her scooter, everyone else was coddling her and I just said understand it’s your mistake and you won’t crash again. She was very upset with me, I’ve sent her a clip of this video now. Hopefully you guys have managed to get through.
Sounds like the wrong timing then @TejasKoushik219 but you know her better. Hopefully, she's open to having a discussion with you now!😅
When Shumi spoke about the steps to get more safety for the family ..uff that was so so true
Another great episode lads
Thank you @twonoobs7236!
So after watching full episode, "I" think I'm convinced that:
1. I need to work on my driving skills to minimise the probability of getting crashed.
2. Crash ratings should not be the final decision making criteria for car buying process.
BUT still, I won't be able to neglect crash test ratings if I have a decision to make between two shortlisted vehicles before buying one.
Thanks.
Be considerate, be patient! ✌🏻
Yes! That's the right way to think about this Onkar!
You don't need to neglect the crash test results but look into the result rather than just dismissing the car based on the star it received ❤
People say this was a good episode
We thank people @SakshamAgrawal2041!
The sole reason I never got any attachment on the mirror or dashboard like idols or hang anything on th IRVM is that it turns into a projectile during an accident! Read it years ago and it's always stayed with me.
Simple!
Can you explain?
@@Michael-Angh imagine you're cruising at 80kmph in the middle lane on NH 48 and you encounter a broken down stationary truck in the middle of the lane, (this has happened with me btw, I barely avoided collision) and you crash into the back of that truck. Now things have gone from 80kmph to 0kmph in a matter of seconds, so things will fly at you from the front of the car like broken windshield bits AND anything that was kept on the dashboard. So if you had a stone idol on the dashboard, there is a very high chance it will fly at you along with the shards of glass already flying at you. Any such object can hit you or the passenger in critical areas like eyes and skull and a 1000 other damaging ways. Hence it is always recommended to not keep any loose objects around the car. A driver once lost his life because a Bisleri water bottle fell down and lodged itself between the brake pedal and the floor of the car and he couldn't brake!
Ideally the better the star, the better the build. For me that is more important because in Indian traffic chaos, a better built car is cheaper to fix when you do get involved in minor crashes. In terms of major ones with higher speeds, it's purely luck.
1. 5:20 - Infact in USA, the IIHS was created literally by Insurance companies so that they can force car manufacturers to make safer cars which would in return benefit the Insurance companies, LOL.
2. 11:34 - Tata in Shambles, haha.
3. 26:23 - LMAOO, It's funny to see how Schumi isn't very sensitized but Kartik is.
4. 42:15 - PTSD after a crash is a very real thing and we so often ignore how fragile life is, a split of second is all it takes for someone to just cease to exist.
1. Safer cars do benefit insurance companies - paying for people is a lot more expensive than paying for car parts.
3. Shumi's always messing with Kartikeya 🤣
4. Yes. Spot on!
@@motorinc pt.2 left conveniently 🤣🧐
It's definitely true that 5 star cars are in no way a guarantee of safety..
However amazing of a driver/rider you are, however observant you are on the road, there are a lot of drivers/riders who are completely careless, putting other's and your life at risk. So I'd definitely feel comparatively safer in a better safety rated car (again, i know its no guarantee of my safety, but does increase my chances of survival or lesser injury to me or my loved ones) Sure, the GNCAP could be better in a lot more ways.. and I'd love for that happen.. but what GNCAP is, is definitely a good step in the right direction compared to the non existence of it.
I'd also feel a lot safer crashing into a 5 star rated car compared to a 1 star rated car, hence I completely encourage safer cars on the road and hence would always encourage fellow people to buy safer cars.
Within a massive mix of factors deciding the outcome of a crash, I'd love to have control of as many factors as I can and the safety rating is one of those factors.
I don't mind the GNCAP ratings to be used as a marketing tool coz it only pushes manufacturers to make their cars safer.. But yes, I do wish the parameters considered to be better. (More emphasis on the a stable chassis rather than number of airbags)
So I'm glad that you're pushing GNCAP to be better and that drivers/riders are expected to be more responsible.. but i also hope our roads get better.. as that is also a major factor for accidents.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts @petrosexualdesign and we agree, in fact the video very clearly states each of these points. Our problem with NCAP is their ambiguity for some parts, and the marketing being misused to give the illusion that a 5-star car is all you'll ever need to be safe.
If you think that there's absolutely nothing that you need to do better as a driver, then we can discuss the technicalities of being in a safer car protecting you better (again, it is true). But, how many of us can actually say that?
@@motorinc I hear you and agree with what you said.. I'm not even suggesting that I'm a perfect driver.. it's about making sure you do whatever you can that's within our control to come out as safe as possible from a crash.. because there are drivers out there who are just joyriding on the road, using their phones while driving, trying to be the next viral stuntman on the roads.. which we have no control over.. so I'll do what I can.. avoid crashes as much as possible and of course, get into the safest car possible.
I'd always feel much safer in a 5 star car than something that can be dented by a falling mango.
No matter how strong the cars are, can they withstand Mr Shumi's sarcasm? I challenge.
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Fantastic podcast and the best so far on a very important topic. The clarity and maturity you show is what most of us need
A couple of things that you can probably mention or take it up Asa seperate podcast on what are things not to do as a driver be it a biker , a 4 wheel driver and a pedestrian.
A simple thing a pedestrian can do is to walk towards the right hand side or onto oncoming traffic to be more careful and vigilant than walking on left.
2 wheelers /4 wheelers using the right side lane slowing vehicles behind and not allowing to overtake.
Not slowing down abruptly on roads where vehicles are speeding.. taking turns on roads without basic precautions, driving opposit in one way roads..
How about a neutral agency who will certify new vehicle owners upon buying a vehicle and availing insurance renewal discounts or purchases.
It would be interesting for you guys to plan and have a separate podcast with a discussion on how to drive safe . Driving with a sense of anticipation and also pointers as to what not to do and the mistakes that you see ppl making that can help all of us.
Thank you for taking the time to share your take @muni7608!
I believe such intellectual talks and topics, awareness programs should be part of a mandatory periodic refresher training to retain the licenses. It might not help instantly, but I’m sure it would definitely have significant impact over a longer period.
Thanks for your generosity @SabyasachiRajkumar!
Yes, refreshing skills is an essential part of building them for sure!
Most fatal accidents occurs when car crashes under truck with no underride gaurd on back. No safety rating can save you from that.
I can't even begin to thank you for all this information and actually putting in the effort. Kudos Team. God Bless!
Thanks Ashish!
I had my eyes opened today . Thank you and the team for this wonderful episode.
I did know that the driver is the one who needs to be more attentive and responsible on the roads , but the whole shenanigans behind the NCAP tests and how its used to mislead people was a great eyeopener.
This content is not something we see in other channels and thank you for spitting facts like they were.
Thanks for joining us @maheshwaranvs!
My 13 year-old Maruti Ritz was involved in an accident last year when a traffic police personnel suddenly stopped vehicles in the fast lane. The car I was following stopped, I screeched to a halt without locking up the wheel (remember the Ritz VXi never had ABS) and the Baleno driver behind me stopped in time too. However, a group of young drivers in their Honda WRV rammed into us from the rear, eventually causing a pile-up accident. My phone on the dashboard holder became a projectile and zoomed past my face to the boot. The car absorbed the impact by defornimg the rear hatch , rear bumper, the bonnet and the frontbumper.
Since me and my friend were wearing the seat belts, we came out unscathed. The front passenger in the car behind us wasn't wearing the belt and got injured.
Although people in my circle urged me to get a car with airbags, ABS, ADAS and what not, I continue to drive it with utmost caution. I get laughed at/mocked by idiots (both outside and inside the car) for driving like an uncle but I have developed a greater sense of spatial awareness ever since the accident. Mirrors are my friends and nothing stays loose on the dashboard anymore. The same goes for my motorcycle rides, where I prefer to go slow, keep an idea of what's happening behind me, and have total control over the vehicle.
Kudos to Schumi and Karthik for speaking up on vehicle safety. As a budding automotive writer, I am glad to see experts discussing these boldly.
Thank you for joining us today @amritanshumukherjee1724. And that sounded scary! We're glad that you're okay and doing better since.
Both of you keep looking at the camera (mostly Sumi), make eye contact n keep talking.. Which is disturbing.. You may think that makes me feel part of the discussion but it's not.. I ended up listening to it instead of watching.. Also 1 hour of single sided talk < 20 mins of 2 sided debate..
Thank you for the feedback @su_deep.
MotorInc is probably the only voice that isn't polarised and striking a perfectly rational spot on crash tests.
Appreciate you being here AS!
A child casually being called a 10kg projectile by Shumi was the highlight of this episode 😂
Crash energy doesn't distinguish @manansharma9507. Everything that's unfastened in the car is indeed a projectile in such a scenario!🤷🏾♂️
Imagine people crashing because they were distracted because they were discussing about crash tests.
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8:03 Iirc Datsun go had a terrible C pillar, yet it went on sale. Datsun, being a Japanese company, eventually pulled the plug. Saw one yesterday on the highway, rice grain in the desert.
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Such a necessary video. I have been told so many times that I have got a crap car in terms of safety when I got the Ignis in 2020. Apparently, the door doesn't close with a thud🥲
I have observed keeping calm and being patient on the roads automatically adds 2 stars to the car and the passengers within. It helps in better application of the skills as well and doesn't cloud the judgement through ego.
The guys who evaluate car safety by the thud of the door are the _real_ experts.
@@motorinc Unless it's the ping! of a 911 door slam :D
@@motorinc😂😂😂 as per these experts, ambassador is the safest car on earth
These experts don't know anything, my grandfather met with an accident in our 2009 Alto, the car managed well in that accident (it was his mistake a careless overtake) he hit a Mahindra major
Car crumpled and the safety shell was pretty solid. But the Jeep got its chassis bent, front leaf suspension broken etc,
The thing is if we test both these vehicles GNCAP will rate Alto with negative stars and Mahindra a 1 star 😂 but in real world this Alto will be a saviour ❤
NCAP's need to organise demolition derby event sponsored by car manufacturers. For the car manufacturers; sponsoring the event it can be a marketing thing, and NCAP can assess the durability of these cars on an even playing field based on their performance in the event.
I'm a new driver. This conversation was extremely insightful. I will always keep this in my mind. Thank you.
Glad we can help! Thanks AJB!
Who is the car guy? Shumi or Karthik? 😂
Oh we know this one, it's definitely Kartikeya!😅
Who is the bike guy? Do you know?
@@motorinc my idol, the one and only Shumi!
During the whole projectile explaination I can feel Kartikeya picturing it in his head. That is definitely a scary scenario.
You can count on it. We think he could feel it tattoo his forehead… 🤣
@@motorinc 🙂 but jokes apart I have had the bad luck of being in some accidents and I know how scary that is. I particularly had two motorcycle accidents within a span of 50 days and that caused me so much trauma that I did not get back onto the motorcycle for about 6-7 months.
@@rawalsushant Hope you are safe and riding again
@@kshitijpandey6514 those days are long past me. I am all fine
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Still driving an 800 as well. Carburettor version. This thing is as analogue as it gets.
I've changed as a motorist over the last several years. I ensure I drive at the same pace as traffic, crashing to me is the result of vehicles coming close enough to hit each other.
Everyone roughly (at least with 4 wheelers) doing the same speeds can eliminate that hazard.
I haven't had a close call in an extremely long time. Haven't had fender benders in over 2 years. And I need to drive through the thicket of Bengaluru traffic in whitefield. My secret has largely been refined from riding motorcycles actually. It's largely about knowing what your braking distances are at various speeds, avoiding bad traction spots on the road, positioning for visibility etc.
Thank you for sharing @tarunprabhu2562!
Well played Tarun!
I think car manufacturers should atleast provide 4 star rated cars with stable bodyshell & also provide programs that spread awareness & improve the skill of the drivers
What happens when the new regulations come. Then the meaning of four stars will change. Will your previously 4 star car still feel safe to you?
@@motorinc isn't this whataboutery? Safety regulations are not set in stone, they keep developing. Till the time no one dies in a car crash, there will be improvements. If we are demanding a 4/5 star car FOR NOW, what's wrong with that? Screen sizes inside cars change, does that mean you'll stop people from asking a 10 incher if in the future 15 inches will become standard?
@@motorinc then 4 star will be according to new regulations
@@motorinc I agree, safety rating for Honda amaze dropped from 4 stars to 2 stars for exact same model, due to new norms.
@@pramod7426 what i meant manufacturers should also upgrade the cars strength as norms upgrade
Hey guys. Old car user here. Please share your thoughts on aftermarket TPMS - in North India the temps are high and tyre burst is common. Overpressure warning is useful. Also any thoughts on those ADAS warning systems which comes off the third party dashcams? They provide warnings. I have both but many don't
Fuel stations with high hygiene standards typically maintain a free air booth in working condition. These booths can either inflate or deflate your tyres, adjusting the pressure to the recommended levels, which may vary according to climatic conditions.
@@chrisredfield3467 bro when you are on expressway at 90 kmph . At 46 degrees ambient temp outside . The tyre pressure can increase without warning. It's better to know about it. Fuel pump won't help there
@@vivekmishra6400 i do 120 on expressway in 40+ degrees and never faced the issue.
@@chrisredfield3467 I burst a 10k km old flawless tyre when I drove for 7 hours straight in Rajasthan in my Hexa. Temp n pressure builds up over time. I was lucky to escape without a scratch because it was the rear and not the front. and unfortunately my third party TPMS had just conked off a week ago.
Engrossing conversation as always. A few thoughts
10:34 - Shumi's surprise at test standards aligning with manufacturers' requirements is unexpected. Government regulation often begins with an ideal service of consumer interests and is then cut down to what the industry says it can manage. To be clear, I don't imply any party involved is specifically evil. Just that population based safety standards may work in the aggregate but they aren't meant to save individual lives. Guaranteeing individually specific safety is highly impractical and very expensive.
33:48 - NCAP, ISI, DOT, N95, USB, IPX, CE and infinitely more standards of all kinds end up being used as marketing tools imho. Otherwise, the consortiums of companies that pour money and talent into developing them "in collaboration with" testing bodies would never see returns. Not that it means they're all worthless but it's important to be aware of the possible motivation bias creeping within the structures and implementation of these standards.
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There is no replacement for the lack of skill and carelessness
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this topic shines the biggest difference between something like WV/SKODA/FORD where safety is already a given to the point that they never even advertise it and something like TATA where they scream from rooftops how safe their cars are even though they build cars specifically to pass the tests and not for users.
Exactly! They never made a song and dance about it.
But Tata moved the "Overton Window" of what is acceptable for mass market cars. Tata for all its shortcomings, deserves credit for that.
but what happens in india is companies just bring unsafe cars that it becomes important for indian company to scream about safety.... which if u look closer then tata and mahindra did made other companies like renault, hyundai and other companies to bring better safer cars in india at competitive price....
Incorrect - VW markets Taigun as India's safest SUV - its the first thing on their website, the brochure has the Global NCAP rating on page 1. I remember seeing Skoda test drive cars having safest sedan printed on their sides. There may be many things wrong with Tata cars but to say they only scream safety is wrong. They must be appreciated for at least making safety one factor buyers consider while making purchase decision, thereby forcing every other car maker improve their product quality.
Skoda and VW are literally showing that their cars have 5 stars in all their ads
In a field setting...we follow cABCD
I.e if there is(c) active (high flow/spurting)bleeding,it should be stopped first then Airway Breathing Circulation Disability in sequence is followed...c-spine is attended with Airway itself
If EVERYTHING is NORMAL ( ABCD)
THEN KEEP PATIENT IN RECOVERY POSITION i.e left lateral
Hey Finally a place where I can rant about the harms of quantification of crash test rating
I absolutely despise the fact that we have tried to quantify crash test rating because the layman assumes it is the safety rating of the car but its not
Also this rating gives a weird false safety net to driver of the vehicle that if there is crash he will not be harmed and will drive less cautiously or become a complete douche-bag.
I have just recently started commuting using my scooter and the number of people who fly with their cars in narrow streets is absolutely mind boggling
Your advise does help alot of young drivers so never stop this guys.
And thanks to your advise Of being "slow and smooth will eventually lead to faster riding or driving" with riding is such a great help (And no unnecessary honking)
But yeah now the next advise which I trying to inculcate is that ABC of "Always be caring " At times due to bad mood swings of mine I maybe quite rude but I am working on it. And Kartikeya's advise of imagining the drivers to be your relatives is helping me reach that point.
Just Thanking you guys again to guide us young riders and drivers to be better versions of ourselves
ABC! We love it!
Thanks Kshitij!
There is no age limit buddy. We all assume young riders are the ones who make mistakes. Just come to Hyderabad and see for yourself. The sheer stupidity on the road will drive you crazy.
I love this rant btw!!
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733I hear you brother. I see weird ways people crash. My friend I will discuss about what are possibilities to end up like that.
@@dr.ananthakrishnavemuri733 as a fellow Hyderabadi I agree with you👍🏻
Take a crash test as a helmet standard. FIM homologated helmet will do better than DOT but if you go 300 kmpr in a public road no one will save you.
Thank you for talking about this. This episode was a real eye opener. Two takeaways that I think are important:
1. Buy a car irrespective of its "safety rating" as long as it meets your needs.
2. Don't drive like an idiot. If you encounter idiots on the road be patient and let them do their thing.
Hey Anirudh!
_Feels safe to you_ and _I'm in control_ is the first layer of the safety evaluation. This will create confident driving, which helps point 2 as well. Then comes the backup plan to this, which can be the safety rating, to some extent.
Hey firstly love your work! I know you have spoken about first time car buyers! but have one more question! I a beginner in driving going to driving school got my license want to buy a new car! So what should be my take on the safety rating of the cars provided my car is equipped with all the active safety features and I don't have a lot of room for the budget but will be willing to break my banks a bit because! I am a new driver and might be more prone to harming others and myself?
People said that you guys are awesome 👍
Please thank those people on our behalf @pramitroy11!😊
You guys just gave a dilemma for life.
Whether to wear specs or not?
it's technically a loose projectile, and airbags are going open up even in minor crashes,
If it does the specs glasses will blow up my eyes, as those will be shrapnel on top of the airbag.
If I don't wear it I will definitely crash into something will driving. Oh No, my life will never be the same. What to do.
And I want a reply for this. Make a video. Its a big bunch of people having specs with lingering dilemmas at the back of our minds.
That's a different but certainly valid question @Rupeshkumar-qy7hf. It's true to an extent but other people have such dilemmas too. Not as pertinent or serious but almost all of us drive with our phones near the armrest or in the cupholders while driving and that could become a projectile as well. The point that we're trying to make is that you can never prepare yourself for 100% of the likelihood of anything. So, do the best that you can instead. Try to minimise the unfastened things in your car while driving because as you said, you'll definitely crash into something if you aren't driving with specs on so it's better to have them on than to constantly worry.
Latest glasses, in our limited experience (some of us at MotorInc do use reading glasses and computer glasses), are very well-made and won't shatter that easily. So, the odds of them ever becoming a sharp, flying shrapnel is very infinitesimal. So, just invest in good quality specs and that should take care of most of your concerns.
@@motorinc My point being, in an accident, your glasses will be one of the first things that will absorb the huge airbag blast/shock (assuming steering airbag)
Your glasses are basically working as an EPS between your face and the airbag.
So will those good-quality glasses be able to resist that and not shatter?
Does the industry/org have mandates/SOPs for that maybe?
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Thank you so much @parshvashah176. We appreciate it!
@@motorinc please keep up the great work. Love your style, content and intent ✨
True lot time ppl with mauruthi 800s or altos in two decades ago didn't met with fatal accidents like ppl are getting into now,because now everyone feel licenced to overspeed as we have 5 star rating..its our ego or carelesnse which is the reason..you guys are awesome..bliss to ears.. pls keep come up with such info to create more awerness and build a better riding or driving community
Thank you for joining us @hemanthraju1990!
@content with cars and you guys should do a collab.
Superb topic and great insights! The level of depth and info gathering was amazing! 🙌🙌🙌
Glad it was helpful @Sagarshah_!
This has actually very informative session. That's what "some people will say".
I remember one line from Jeremy Clarkson ( motorworld episode about the family car.)
SUVs are not good at avoiding accidents, but what they are very good at is dealing with them when it happens".
This clearly is the key, being the better driver is more than that of crash rating.
Clearly people are thinking of SUVs are safer bet, because it provides cushion when do crash happens. Its like "people "are thinking as if they are invincible when they bought 5* rated car and license to be maniac on the road. Thats the worry part.
Seriously eye opener for me. Lot of myths busted.
Thanks:)
What really is sad though - ₹NCAP₹ sticker has become seal of approval for safety.
Atleast I believe, safety is collection of parameters and not just NCAP rating.( paraphrasing from Motowagon)
Thank you @kalachar. This clarity is what we aimed to bring with this Episode.
Saw this episode today and hours later in the news:
“Toyota Chairman Akio Toyoda apologized on Monday for massive cheating on certification tests for seven vehicle models as the automaker suspended production of three of them.”
Just adds to what you guys were talking about
Oh! Thank you for letting us know @sarthaktandon6334!
I want you guys to explain accelerated driving vs cruising vs decelerated motion during a crash!!
From the beginning any and everyone has told me that speed is a problem, and i do drive when possible at 100 kmph. But very low awareness about the use of the accelerator as a safety tool on the highway, dont floor it, just cruise...
People will be surprised with the reaction time differences and results.
What an absolutely brilliant conversation. The whole conversation around child safety was so apt.
Thank you @gautam8261
I've noticed that you've criticized crash star ratings in your past videos now I understand your point of view. Crash tests are like your teacher giving you important questions for exams, anything out of syllabus and you are f'ed.
It's like studying only those questions and the exam has a lot more that you didn't prepare for at all!😆
Gone through a lot of comments and realized that yes there are more aware drivers on the road and yes there are still customers who do not just blindly buy a car just by the NCAP rating score. I guess that what explains why people still opt for cars that drives better to a car that has a better safety rating. Glad to not see bullshit like "tin ka dabba".
That was a very good episode. As a continuation why not an episode on good driving ?
Thank you for the suggestion @piyushpkuru78!
Guys can you bring this down to like 30 mins please. These are too long...
No plan to, Shreepad. MotorInc Fam loves it as it is and we do too!
Much required discussion… perhaps there are various parameters to determine how safe is a car and crash rating and worthiness is one of them. And now widely used by manufacturers to convince one’s safety… in other words… they are selling fear.
However I feel it was required to come… especially when we think of decades back when compact and subcompact SUVs weren’t born and diesel was much cheaper. And SUVs was known as body on frame lazy heavy metals accessible to few. Then came a powerful SUV that was accessible to any and many and they sold fears through their ads as sedan killers. On road they bullied smaller car owners fearing for their loved ones with them, because they know how much they behave themselves on road, they are helpless while encountering an ape behind the wheels of these heavy metals. So they started owning it too till compact n subcompact crossovers came in. It’s just that the crash rating is trying to democratize certain parameters of safety, and showed how weak is this bully SUV was… else fear was sold to us much earlier.
But yes… we have to mind our on road behavior, be predictable and safe to other road users and respect the norms and limits.
Safety is a collective responsibility of road users, authorities, manufacturers and auto journals… those SUV madness could’ve been arrested much earlier… and now.
Thank you for sharing your take @sandiipmohanty9819. Safety is indeed a collective responsibility and it never should be about the size of the vehicle or its crash test ratings alone.
Is there a correlation between well built cars and high speed stability and drive ability?I mean does the weight help in handling and stability?
poofff.. u guys just blew my mind.. i started this episode with thinking that you guys will talk about some elite stuff which wont really matter for a middle class straight thinking ppl like me.. but u completely changed my mind.. it takes guts to tell the truth the way it is .. i think u guys said the truth out in the open.. i cannot expect such truths from ppl who are on the easier side of automotiv industry or who want to be on the right side of the automotive industry.. now i know that i can trust u guys completely and whole heartedly.. and yes .. now i will subscribe your channel schumi.. this is Dr Sushant Kurhade from Aamchi Mumbai..
Hi Doc, thank you for the kind words! We're glad that you're joining us on our journey.
Can u please link me to the scale of driving you were talking about or tell me where I can look it up ,please ? ....
To the most extent i agreed with this podcast. But as soon as you said that Maruti is also good at safety and they need to crumble i lost faith and trust on this video. I have lost friends who had a crash in a maruti car at very slow speeds and they still passed away due to a pedestrian jaywalking. Gone are the days maruthis were good now they are just bad. I dont know how you can even support what maruti is doing now. I dont believe you guys skew views based on if you are paid or not but i just dont agree with maruti being good at safety.
Summary: Understand the engineering. Don't trust the marketing.
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A lot of channels like Sunderdeep Singh gonna close down if people saw this video 😂😂
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Maybe,crash tests are not so genuine today as we believe, it is part of process, someday it will evolve,become genuinely good for Everyone.....
Awesome work guys…..
One thing I want to add for example a virtus ( with 5 star) is more likely to perform better in uncontrolled environment than a swift ( 2 star)
And is it worth to buy a safer car if it saves you and your family from even a single fatal accident - I think absolutely, I see it as an investment.
What do u guys think??? Open to ur views too
Thanks again
Thank you for sharing your thoughts @aaditya2401. We firmly believe that the driver's skill comes first and that should always be paid more attention. If you're confident of that, then choose whichever car works best for you.
@@motorinc thanks, bought virtus gt manual.... Drives well so bought that. Come to my city will take u guys for a ride. Cheers
Its good to have safer cars but it still shouldn't be the most important thing to look for in a car and disregard anything that does not have a rating as the testing methods differ greatly from the actual road situations.
A great podcast as usual on a great topic !!
In your future car reviews, do you mind specifically talking about the active safety?
Tyres are an extremely underrated component of safety.
Many people choose the budget option but Tyres are one place where it is okay to splurge.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could do a segment on Tyres.
We have @amoghavarshamurthy. Here: ruclips.net/video/KD1hl9QXids/видео.htmlsi=Kr6nKxTFIMVSrvLJ
Hearing both of you of an hour, really affirm the same thoughts which another RUclipsr : Gagan Choudhary shared in his video.
I also believe that driver skills matter much more than the Crash Test Ratings.
People don’t put seat belts, don’t have child seats and drive carelessly. These should be marketed more than the crash test ratings.
I live in Indore, and hardly see any child seats in any car. These things should be promoted more by authority and car makers.
I also feel, dash cams should be installed in every cars. This will make drivers accountable.
👍🏽 Thanks Anant!
The moment a metric (like crash ratings) becomes a goal, it loses the credibility on being an accurate/reliable metric. (Goodhart's Law). People (manufacturers) will start optimising for the metric, rather than the use case.
To an extent, this seems like what's happening here @achakraborti!