Considering all we know about how Oda does things now and considering what Chopper does and what his fruit looks like, we can summarize the situation pretty neatly: -Chopper has human like intelligence and his "full human form" is quite hairy -Chopper can grow to giant size by eating a pellet -Chopper became a doctor after eating his fruit -His fruit looks like a mushroom with a red top Conclusion: Chopper ate the "Hito Hito no Mi model: Doctor Mario"
I think it's human human Model: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde... A doctor that uses science to chang himself into a monster (rumble ball anyone?)... Meaning he might also have 2 awakenings. Monster point and an actual human form... Could actually be the pinnacle of what a human can be.
My hottest take is that Chopper's fruit is, in actuality, the Hito Hito No Mi Model: Mink. I first considered this in Zhou when they offhandedly mentioned that the minks call humans "lesser minks" because they think humans are just mostly-hairless minks. The similarities between Sulong and Monster Point made me even more suspicious, and seeing Chopper's rumble ball working for Bepo got me 100% in on the theory.
A lot of it's strangeness makes a lot more sense if you think of it as the mink fruit. His default brain point form looks a lot like some of the minks we've seen, and it explains his inability to FULLY become a human. I think his points are all combinations of various attributes from his reindeer, mink, and sulong forms. If I'm right, we will see Chopper use electro before the end of the series.
Didn't chopper explicitly say he no longer needs the rumble ball for all of his basic points and in addition only needs to consume a singld rumble ball for monster point post time skip?
Wanted to post this as well xD Im rewatching OP with a friend and im at the beginning of Fishmen Island, if he doesn't say it i'll come back to this comment and correct this but for now i remember clearly him saying he doesn't need Rumble Balls for anything except Monster Point...
Since Luffy’s fruit reveal, I’ve begun to think that all Devil Fruits are driven somewhat by imagination, rather than physicality. That the user is essentially pushing their internal logic to determine the limits of the fruits I think it’d explain weird powers like Baby 5 (what she can become is limited to whatever she herself considers a weapon), or odd abilities like Law’s Gamma Knife/Injection Shot (which don’t really make sense unless you think “this room is my operating theatre, as a doctor I can do this, so in here I can do it as well”) This could also link to your suggestion that Chopper sees himself as a monster, so his fruit takes on more monster like properties
This actually would explain Kaku's use of the Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe, as throughout the fight with Zoro it becomes increasingly clear that 1.) Kaku does not know what a Giraffe is and 2.) Kaku's abilities are strange and not things a Giraffe can normally do.
Also King and Queen commenting on the skills of their own devil fruit dinosaurs, which obviously they don’t know. It may be similar to what Vegapunk said too about df too
After the 2 year training arc, chopper doesn't need the rumble ball anymore except for his gigantic form. He basically modified his power using science. As for his "human" form, it's really just a very hairy human, according to one piece standards. Though after the training arc he made it bulkier and more monstrous as you said. The only strange thing is that he's still so small in his hybrid form despite reaching an adult size in his animal form.
No. Every other zoan actually has transformed. He's the only zoan I've seen simply cannot change their to look like what he's allegedly supposed to look like. No normal human being is shaped that way or that hairy.
@cyberfunk6699 It's true no normal human in one piece is that hairy as far as I know, but there are definitely some that are shaped that way, or shaped just as strangely.
Posttime skip it feel like he have total control on how his transformations look like. His new form, the kung fu point, look exactly like the humans from the island he was, so it is more likely intentional. He said himself he decided to become a monster so he doesn’t need his human form to look human anymore, so he CHOOSE to make it look like it. Then, it mean the fact his hybrid form is still so small is intentional too, this is the form he like to take by default, he like looking like that, this is a choice he made himself.
I'd like to make a correction, which is very important. Mushrooms are in fact NOT vegetables and indeed NOT fruits. Mushrooms are mushrooms, a completely separate entity from both vegetables and fruits, they belong to the group of Fungi. This is similar to how spiders are neither bugs or insects, but simply spiders.
Irritatingly enough, the mushroom part of the fungus is referred to as the "fruiting body", leading many people to confidently and incorrectly call them fruits
Chopper's fruit also seems to have had a major effect on one other aspect of him, his aging. Chopper was already 15 when we first met him, which, for a reindeer, would actually be extremely old. And, by now, he's probably nearly nineteen, which is older than ANY reindeer ever gets. And yet he is, if anything younger physically than even a human, would be at his age. Also he still has the iron repair band on his antler even though, as a reindeer, he should have shed and re-greown his antlers many, many times since he broke it (unless he now just adds one for cosmetic reasons). I have a nagging suspicion that Chopper is going to live to an age far beyond what even a normal human will (even without factoring in that, as a doctor, he has a pretty good idea of how to keep himself healthy.)
Funny thing is, his Walk Point shows his physical age, better than his Brain Point, as he looks like a fully grown reindeer, rather than the chibi mascot.
I also wonder if he might not be better off using Heavy Point in some non fighting circumstances. While he wouldn't need the muscles, Heavy Point does give him fingers, which I would imagine would make things like surgery a lot easier.
@@Sojoboscribe Tbh, he got used to it, it's like trying to type on a new keyboard layout, you will not be able to master it in a day, will take a year at least, so there's that. Also his Heavy point is big, imagine trying to be precise with a needle when you are as big as Shaq.
@Raikos100 True, but it appears he is able to develop new points with practice. I didn't so much mean use heavy point as possibly develop a smaller lighter point with fingers for surgery ( call it Dexterous Point).
The way I see it there are actually two awakened zoan fruit forms. The failed forms which is the ones we see in impale down in which the animal side takes over and a true awakening in what we see with Lucci where the human side takes over. Chopper managed to gain control of the failed awaken form as he is an animal first and foremost but he has yet to show a true awakening with the halo/ring around his shoulders in which he is taken over by the human side of his fruit.
Pekoms used his ability twice: once in fish-man island and the second time in zou when jack was attacking zunesha and everything was falling sideways, Pekoms used his shell to “cushion” his impact when falling out of bed.
Chopper also has a hidden devil fruit. I believe we will learn of his zoan model later on the series. He is literally the only zoan in one piece without a model, so it must be kept hidden.
I can't say that for sure with how oda likes to add retroactive twists like he does but choppers doesn't need a model type. Other zoans have models because their animal categories cover so many varieties of one animal that are each basically their own species. Humans are just one species in total and its much different from how wide a variety a dog can come in. The basic human human fruit doesn't need a model because humans are just humans.
I said it years ago, and I'll say it again. I genuinely think that Chopper's fruit is actually a sub type of the Hito Hito no Mi, and it's actually something like a sasquatch or bigfoot fruit, but he doesn't realize it. Kinda the same way Luffy was wrong about what fruit he ate.
@@xuklysc Yeah, same here. In fact, I think I even made the same statement on the Devil Fruit 101 video Liam did for Chopper's fruit, and there are still people getting in on that conversation years later. The revelation about Luffy's fruit caused in influx of comments about it too.
I always figured he used drugs to unlock specific features of his fruit so all his 'points' were just the hybrid form forced to emphasize different features. In which case any zoan user could potentially hybrid into specific forms. For example, someone with a bird fruit would normally hybrid into wings, beak, claws, etc. But perhaps if they were to take Chopper's drugs or learn his technique they could manifest ONLY wings, or ONLY feet depending on what they needed. Though looking at how Oda likes to go back and change things to suit what he wants to tell now it's more likely than not chopper will suddenly have a mythical fruit like Luffy does now and he'll say "Oh there is no human form because it isn't REALLY a normal human fruit."
Back when we first learned that “a certain devil fruit in use on Wano” existed under a false identity, and we had yet to learn that it was Luffy’s, I had the idea that that devil fruit was the Hito Hito no mi, and instead of being a human Zoan, it was actually an *evolution* Paramecia, because we’d never seen Chopper go full human, and many of his points like guard and original horn point actually become distinctly less human. Instead, I theorized that all of Chopper’s transformations were actually different paths of evolution reindeer in the world of One Piece could eventually take, and the reason the five elders were so concerned about it was because if it awakened, the user could evolve other beings, and we would learn that an ancient user of that fruit was responsible for creating all the various races of the world like Fishmen, Minks, Giants, and Longarm tribesmen by evolving standard humans into them.
Since Luffy didn't know the name of his fruit and just got the rubber as a side perk, then it could be that Chopper is like a yeti or something similar. There seem to be a lot of variants for the human fruit.
The sea water thing has always been pretty consistent. It doesn't turn off your power it just makes you too weak to use them. Luffy doesn't lose any rubber property he just was too weak to stretch himself. But his body remains stretchy. It's been that way since day one
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. If we wanted to see Chopper be forced into standard Walk Point, Blackbeard's power would do it since it totally turns off devil fruits. The real scary question is what happens to Brook if Blackbeard uses his power on him?
@@davidwilliam9681 In fishman island brook was already forced to swim in seawater. Turns out, he's fine. It makes sense to me, why would you actively need strength in order to not die?
what happens if you become too weak to maintain your state of revival over your revived body, since revival is your power, a power weakened by sea water. He doesn't have any lungs to hold his breath or drown with. Brook may actually start getting directly killed by water once fully submerged. Hes like a Newgame plus character with a shared stamina, mana, and health bar. Conctact with sea water will effect all 3 as one for him. If he loses his strength and has his ability weakened by ocean water, he wont be able to maintain self resurection. He will just get progressively sleepier instead of drowning. Eventually losing so much consciousness he has returned to his normal self from 50 years ago...... inanimate...
I really like the explanation for Devil Fruits being products of desire and will, since it explains why certain fruits of similar types work differently, or why some like the Hobby fruit have all these weird, left-field powers, and tons of other random/inconsistent junk
I think zoans can awaken in 2 different forms. if their body or mind or whatever is not ready, they get overwhelmed and end up like monster point or the jailbeasts, but if you truly master your devilfruit, you get something like the cp0 guys. basically, the fruit might take over the eater if not done properly. that might also explain why there arn't any awakened among kaido. theym ight've just feared ending up somewhat mindless beasts.
I have 3 things to say. 1. I always assumed it was like that because it was an animal who ate it. It makes sense that Chopper would still have animalistic like features in other forms because all Zoan Users have that in common. 2. I figured Chopper didn’t have a full awakening, but more of a Sudo Awakening. But the other comments brought up a good point. Full Awakened Zoans appear when the user have full control & mastery over their fruit. 3. If a normal human eats the Human Human Fruit… they gain the maximum potential of Humanity. For instance if Raily ate it… he could temporarily revert to his Peak Human state. A.k.a. His Younger Self.
It's weird, I could have sworn that Oda originally designed the Human-Human Fruit to look human-shaped... Then again, having it look like a mushroom would make it easy for Chopper to think it was just a regular mushroom and eat it.
His new designs are probably the Canon forms. Which is annoying because when he started the series on screen (or panel) fruits look like real world fruits. Also, don't remember if this is from the original dub or the English dub, but either Sanji or Blackbeard make reference to both the DF Encyclopedia and memorizing the shape and patterns. Which lead me to believe that multiple fruits could be modeled similarly (example a pineapple) but have different swirl patterns that help distinguish them apart, maybe even be different colors.
Having it be a mushroom is also really thematically beautiful to have it tie into our world. With how some people do shrooms, to feel they've been enlightened.
@@harley8047 We havent seen aaaaall that many official fruits yet tbh, and most of them still just look like fruits with weird things attached or with weird patterns. The Ito Ito no mi is basically just a messed up pear, and so does the gura gura
To the point of submerging the water, Luffy still stretches as well. The Brain point "point" seems more like it's probably just his least dangerous or "baseline" form so it might just be the one that takes his body the least energy to be in, or rather he's "flexing" the last, so being submerged causes him to revert to that instead.
Choppers fruit is a lot of references. One that you missed was actually the tie between the Fly Amanita and the reindeer, people used to feed the hallucinogenic mushroom to their reondeer after drying them on trees so they could consume the urine and trip balls. This is thought to be one of the many many things that helped create what we now know as christmas traditions when they were all rolled up together
I am pretty sure Chopper did say after the timeskip that now he has access to those points without rumble balls. The only he has to take a rumble ball was monster point.
The drugs cheats the awakening, making him be able to kinda access it temporaly. As he trains he can slowly awaken it for real, and you notice how his points are a big different from before also, meaning he got the true awakening on those forms, being able to use them better.
@@Raikos100 I'm pretty sure chopper simply learned how to use the points without the meds and the reason they changed, I believe chopper explained was because he realised luffy needs him to be a monster so he stopped trying to not be monsterish or w/e (can't remember the arc but it was ofc post time skip :P)
7:10 except, we konw from the manga ( didn't see the anime) that in the timeskip chopper trained to reach those "drug inducen" forms naturally, as the ruble ball only helped him reaching points in the spectrum he didn't have access to, and now needs the rumble ball only to reach monster point, that he now can control.
Fun fact. Choppers fruit is based off the amanita muscaria mushroom because reindeer absolutely love eating them. Not so fun fact. The reindeer herders will sometimes drink the rain deer urine because they can't process the mescaline. Making the herders higher then wmba 🐱
There's no mescaline in amanita muscaria. There's other halluciniogenics but not mescaline. Actually, there's *nothing whatsoever* that contains mescaline growing in Northern Europe where the tradition stems from, and definitely not in the area where the Sami people (Sweden's indigenous people, the only ones still herding reindeer in the world) live.
Actually I wanted to correct this too - not only are mushrooms not vegetables (they’re a complex system of mycelium) Amanita’s do not contain mescaline - you’re confusing it with peyote. This is an important distinction because mescaline has desirable traits but Aminitas, which contain muscimol (not even psilocybin, the active psyedelic component in most commonly done psychoactive mushrooms) are extremely dissociative and toxic to the human body. Do not think you can eat the shrooms chopper did, because even if you and didn’t die, you will not have the silly trip you’re thinking of. You’re looking for mushrooms that grow in poop or woodchips and aren’t as pretty - sorry
I think his fruit chose to be eaten by chopper. The gum gum hid from the government for 800 years and Yamatos fruit stayed on wano and found its best protector. Some fruits are based on their own will and can "pick" when and where to be found. I always thought of it like the one ring having its own desires.
But if mushrooms/fungus can be Devil Fruits in One Piece, the real question is: did Django ate a Devil Fruit when he ate the mushroom in his face that made him able to perform his hypnosis techniques?
The best theory I've seen on the Human Human Fruit is that it is actually the miracle cure that was mentioned in Drum Island. Since Chopper mistook a mushroom for the cure.
I think choppers fruit is honestly pretty consistent with zoan lore, its just an issue of everyone thinking its weird because we're human. Even when fully transformed zoan users retain some features of their alternate form, like the sword growing elephant tusks or lucy being a leopard with frizzy hair so it stands to reason choppers human form would retain some parts of being a reindeer like being extra hairy. And we've seen humans in every shape and size in one piece so chopper doesnt really stand out much compared to most people. If katakuri can be a human thats 20ft tall with shark teeth then choppers human form can be hairy with big arms. As for his other forms theyre explained via the rumble balls unlocking new forms and him learning to use them. I mean maybe every zoan has an unlimited number of forms and people are just uncreative with it or dont try to learn new forms because they never thought to, its not like there are devil fruit masters out there handing down techniques and the fruits are so rare people arent sure they're real outside the grand line. How long did it take momo to learn to transform between the basic forms, how would you expect some normal person to think of a new form or awakening without seeing someone else do it first.
The only thing that I mostly know about the Hito Hito fruit series is that even if a human ate the fruit unless there is a main application, the end result would be what happened to Brook before he died. It would look as if nothing or barely anything happened at all and all you got was the short end of the stick.
The fact that Law as pirate yielded a lesser reward than his DF would on its own was low-key disappointing. Also, if we add his bounty & DF value we get 8 billion berries which is quite interesting. I wonder how many pirates will cross Rogers bounty if we add their individual bounty with their fruit value...
Why it doesn't add to it's bounty value is because of 2 things 1. The pirate could be brought in dead, which would mean no fruit, it reincarnated somewhere else 2. If they got the pirate alive, they would still need to find the type of fruit the DF would reincarnate into, and then have it on hand when killing him, and we don't even know if that's how reincarnation actually even works. Plus acquiring the fruit themselves has a much higher value then ridding the world of one, relatively inactive, pirates shenanigans.
With the recent development in regards to devil fruits I very much believe that this fruit was intended for someone's animal friend. Prolongs life, teaches human language, and teaches human way of thinking
You forgot to mention that Lucci has 5 forms. He has fully human, fully jaguar, hybrid, bulky hybrid, and awakened hybrid. His Awakened fruit producing dark clouds deserves some attention.
my favorite theory is that the fruit doesnt turn the user into just simply a human, but into the humanoid beings in the one piece world. their evolutionary tree, you could say. you can see chopper turn into a bunch of humanoid races, like giants with monster point or the torino with kung fu point. i just like the idea that chopper could be any humanoid race and in that way change to the situations needs. or maybe hes just able to accentuate certain parts of his body instead, idk.
Choppers fruit behaves alot like luffys. And since we know that they are both hito-hito style, I think that human fruits work differently in having multiple forms, like in choppers case points and in luffys case gears. Interestingly those zhoans are the only ones that change the body from the getgo. Luffy got a rubber body and chopper is a deer standing on 2 legs(like a human). The only other hito-hito fruit there is is Zengoku. But we haven't seen enough of him sadly.
For quite some time, I have a feeling that Chopper's Devil Fruit is actually the Fruit of the Forest God! Which might be a more logical reason why Blackbeard went to Drum Island.
@@a.N..... I use to think Ryokugyu could have been the user of that Legendary Zoan (which in my opinion is type of Zoan the Nika Fruit & the other God named ones should be). But after learning that it is Logia, as well as what Celestial Dragon sympathizer he is, I no longer think that way.
I think Choppers fruit would work a lot better if it were the humanoid fruit. In Choppers case, that lets him shift between an animal and different types of humanoid like forms. While if a human did that, it would be the same thing with their regular physical build and then potentially more lanky to more bulk forms.
The part about a wendigo Devil Fruit sounds pretty scary, scarier than I can imagine Chopper ever being. Like sure, Chopper unlocking Monster Point for the first time (which I consider to be his awakening) at Enies Lobby was kinda scary, but not wendigo levels of scary 😱
I believe the rumble balls are to awaken the innate abilities of a human in Chopper's DF, but not the kind of humans like we are in the real world. There is really no distinction between giants and long-arm tribe and natural looking people in the One Piece world, so we might say that Chopper's DF is a collection of all unique traits of "humans" and chopper uses the rumble balls to improve his physical ability in order to manifest these traits
The only thing that's ever confused me about Chopper's powers is: Why do the points, especially horn point and monster point, emphasize the reindeer parts more than the human parts?
The rumble balls give him the ability to change his appearance more drastically on both the animal and human sides like a mutation. Also, this is a theory, but I believe his devil fruit enables him to change into any human shape/body time, which is why he can appear small like a child and big like a neanderthal and gigantic like a titan. These are all different states of human evolution, and his semi awakening just turns him into a human monster/yeti because chopper sees himself as an abomination or freak because of his blue nose and even more also because of the human human fruit.
Well Chopper does say in the fishman island battle that he only needs the rumble ball for one transformation which is his "monster point" form. So I always figured he just transforms because he trained to do it.
i choose to believe that what we’re seeing with chopper is a true awakening, if you put the three zoan forms on a scale chopper can move the slider in a way current zoans have not, this could go along with his character being a doctor he has an in-depth understanding of human biology as well as his own
Also, remember that humans in one piece can learn to do some really weird things with their bodies, and zoans more so. Both Kaku and Lucci have optional transformations that could be considered "points".
brook dosent immediately die when he falls into the water because being submerged only stops active abilities from being activated, but passive things like brook's immortality or luffy's rubber body cannot be turned off, there is a scene in one piece where luffy falls in the water and to prevent him from drowning they stretch his neck all the way until his head is out of the water
Heavy Point was absolutely established to be his Human Form; Brain point his Hybrid, and Walk Point his full animal form. Plus Chopper hasn't needed a rumble ball to transform into anything but Monster Point since the time skip lol
@@abduking. last I checked leopards don't have curly hair or giraffe having square nose. All DF users have features of there original form in there full animal form. Chopper's fur and nose are not an outlier.
@@weathermangohanssj4 Nothing you've said is valid. lucci doesnt have curly hair and kaku doesnt have a square nose in there full beast transformations. you might of forgot that so i'll give you the benfit of doubt but your wrong.
@@thisisnotme6542 thats not how humans are built 😭😭 also he still has his regular nose shape which isn't human 😭.Kaku doesn't have his square nose shape in his full beast transformation so why is it different for chopper 🤔??
5:50Mushrooms are not vegetables for those curious. Fungi are their own animal kingdom! They are more closely related to humans than they are fruits and vegetables like liam so elloquently describes; they grow and comunitcate through root & nervous system like bodies called mycelium. They are even theorized to have concsious thoughts (just in a very diffferent way), and are confirmed to communicate across huge distances with something called the mycelial network. I also think this is why Oda used a mushroom for the hito hito no mi, thanks liam for the mushroom education
Ive known both those odd food facts (humans share 50% dnd with mushrooms and 50% with bananas). But never held both thoughts so close together. You just intimidated that humans are mushroom bananas. And that thought will have me amiling all day. Thank you.
Honestly Oda missed an opportunity by not using Chopper's original concept for the fake Strawhats. Like this walking, talking middle-aged feeling reindeer chainsmoking with a bourbon in his hoof talking with a gravely cigarette-ravaged voice like "oh yes I am the Cotton Candy Lover, aren't I adorable?"
Chopper's fruit is going to be revealed as a Mythical Hito Hito, Model: Shamisen aka The Forest God. Think about these two things: How is Chopper able to communicate with every kind of animal? We've seen many instances where animals don't coexist with each other, but only do so whenever Chopper has an influence since he's able to communicate with almost all of them. Secondly, the mystery of Drum Island, we have Kureha talking about the Will of D, Hiriluk talking about haki users, Joyboy and the Void Century in his iconic speech, and lastly Blackbeard comes to visit the island for some reason. So clearly there is some grander occurrence happening with Drum Island and its history, it could be related to Chopper's uncommon Devil fruit.
@TheLazylonewolf Not true, not all animals can talk to each other. The only time they do speak with one another is when Chopper is initiating conversation. So it's happening for a reason
It's like Kuma's daughter, who stays adult even when unconscious, it's more to keep the story going, and it can also be from using that mode so much because of fear of showing the real form, it ends up that the body gets used to staying in that mode even in the ocean or unconscious.
Don’t forget Stronger the horse ate a Pegasus devil fruit. I wonder if Chopper’s human-human fruit is actually a shape shifter model as it can take on different human shapes and designs?
7:03 Chopper said that after his time skip training he only needs the rumble ball for Monster point. And every time he consumes one now he's instantly in monster and can't change till the ball wears off.
two chopper theories i have had for years: first off chopper no longer uses rumble balls for anything but his monster point, he achieved this by mastering life return. this checks out because rob lucci also uses life return to alter the qualities of his hybrid form AND chopper has witnessed kumadori using it, so it stands to reason that he would be interested in the subject. secondly and less supported: choppers fruit is an ancient zoan hence why his full human form is big and hairy.
Onimaru doesn't even turn into what he's supposed to. He turns into an entirely different person called benkei, the real life person carried 7 weapons, and the folklore depiction is characterized as being a weapon hoarder.
1:25 from what we've seen of the Sea Effect, it seems to just remove the will to live so the user drowns and can't use their fruit's power but on a subconscious level some stuff might happen like Chopper going to brain point and brook not dying or luffy stretching in Arlong Park.
Fun facts: Wendigo have about a dozen different names in Native American tradition. They are widely known for having antlers however that is not actually consistent with Native American legends. The deer like form can be attributed to the European settlers mixing in their conception of werewolves with the wendigo. According to legend you can become a wendigo by committing cannibalism, or more rarely from rampant greed.
If you recall Oda's SBS where he showed the nakama's possible futures, Chopper's included the potential of becoming somewhat demonic if he went bad. Even though Oda didn't show a good future to be 'godly', I think he was hinting at Chopper's devil fruit being something more mythical than just a regular human-human fruit.
I believe the reason Chopper is so different is because of the medications he takes to give himself 7 different forms of his body, even augmenting his largest form and the ability to keep his consciousness in that form because of said meds. Also, I keep wondering if Chopper will gain the ability of the minks with their Sulong abilities
I always thought that after the time skip that Chopper could access his less regular points and only needed rumble balls for monster point. I figured part of his training was distablizing his fruit's power to access the special points and gain control over monster point. Ceasaur also modifies his rumble balls to keep monster point going longer, which further made me believe this
The explanation is easy: zoan users transforms in what they know about the animal or fruit. Luffy didn't knew he had a zoan, so he never tried or managed to transform until he awaken it. And for Chopper, he just don't see much of diference in humans overall, so in his mind his strong point if a perfect human being.
I think Human-human fruit not having any model is like a "wildcard" zoan fruit - it gives Chopper the freedom to choose the form or model he wants. Similar to the idea that humans have the potential to become whatever they want.
According to Oda, your body changes based on your desire or your drive. Chopper, gaining sentience, may have undergone this transformation. If his goal is to be the best "ideal" doctor, he can't do that as a reindeer. Thus his devil fruit opened the path for him to "naturally" become more human like
Being underwater does not turn off Devilfruit powers. Back when fighting Arlong, Luffy was stuck underwater. And they stretched his neck to the surface to give him mouth to mouth. Instead it seems to say "looses all actions and the ability to maintain already activated abilities". So Chopper cannot swim, transform or even maintain a transformation. But Brook would not die.
I think it's even explainable why Chopper's fruit behaves differently from other Zoans... Chopper used rumble balls at the beginning, so you could say that he augmented his devil fruit (much like Ceasar Clown did with his gasu gasu no mi) This could also explain why he becomes brainpoint when he's submerged in water (it just behaves "abnormal" because of the augmentations)
The fruite is a direct presentation of the 'medicinal' mushroom amanita muscaria. This mushroom in comparison to other enthiogens as ayuahasca or other psycedelic mushroom is called "The human mushroom" because it gives a profound perspective of what ones place in this world as a human being could be.
The biggest reason why i think its not just a human human fruit is because it was implied that devil fruits came from some sort of wishes and i struggle to believe someone would wish to be just a human
On EggHead island when Lucci showed his awakened form they explain that "Most of the time, when a Zoan type Fruit awakens, it robs the user of their personality!" Now what happened when Chopper first used Monster Point?
Since Vegapunk thinks Devil fruits are like the realization of human desires. I like how that implies someone probably wished: "Damn I wish I was a regular ass human. that would be cool."
There is alot of things in One Piece that goes deep and has big meaning, but when i saw a gun eating a devil fruit i knew i shouldn't think too much on the logic behind the devil fruits
I think human human fruit enables Chopper to be like in any human form. Arm point - Person with strong arms Kung fu point - A chubby Person Monster point - A Giant person? (Giants) etc
I always thought that Chopper's fruit was something like Hito Hito no Mi: Model Abominable Snowman. On his first transformation people literally treated him like some humanoid monster from the snowy mountains (abominable snowman), and Monster Point is a bit similar to what the Yeti Cool Brothers looked like on Punk Hazard.
I think the reason why chopper can't turn into a full on human is because we as humans recognice the difference to an actual human easier. An actual dog probably also wouldn't be fooled by a human transforming in full on dog form, because it is more sensitive too what a dog should look like
I figured out what we missed the fruits give an idealistic form of the animal. His human form is the first form we see him in during the drum island flashbacks (when he is shot) it is muscled and hairy but still human. Looking what a normally strong human looks like in one piece (a bit like dalton to be honest) the only thing that was off was the amount of hair which humans can be quite hairy.
It looks like chopper's devil fruit is similar to luffy's devil fruit in a smaller level. All transformations are similar and relatable to luffy's transformation.
It’s been hinted at and I’m not sure if it’s been outright said but a good amount of the DV powers seem to be only limited by the users imagination. The one example I can think of rn is Kalifa saying something along the lines of “my bubbles do whatever I imagine and I have a very vivid imagination”. So I like the idea the reason chopper doesn’t go “full human” is because full Human is how he imagines himself
I think he has the human-human fruit model Sasquatch. It still gives him a human-like appearance and also explains why his monster point looks the way it does. A cross between his reindeer form and a Sasquatch and that's why it looks the way it does.
I think his fruit probably encompasses ALL human tribes rather than just a base human, which is why it has so many different forms. Monster point is probably something along the lines of a Giant Hybrid or some other huge Human tribe who are massive. This could mean he has the potential to unlock forms similar to that of King who has wings or double joints in his arms like Apoo.
i have 2 theories for his devil fruit! 1. the fruit isnt actually called the “hito hito no mi”, they might have faked its name, bc we know black beard was searching for it, so it might be super important, and the fruit could possibly be a body-flexing fruit, which allows the user to use their senses flexibly. 2. devil fruits are born out of peoples desire, so there could have been a spices of non-humans, who desired to live like a human, thus creating the human human fruit, perhaps it was never meant to be eaten by humans!
If perception is the key to how a devil fruit works, it makes sense Chopper's first transformation into a human would be like...that. He was an ordinary reindeer and lacked the higher brain function to properly visualize being a human. By the time his brainpower fully kicked in, he was already traumatized. Onimaru had years of practice, and for all we know he also had to iron out his transformation at first. I'd like to think Chopper *is* able to turn into a proper human by this point, but has never felt any reason to. It wouldn't have any use in combat, and his identity is so closely tied to Brain Point that it's his default rather than his actual natural reindeer form.
Only Oda can design a smoking reindeer, in a Hawaiian shirt, whos expression says 'I never recover from my traumatizing experiences', and say "this isn't unique enough."
since the introduction of minks i started believing chopper wasnt a real reindeer but an hybrid . We dont really know the rules of reproduction in one piece but hybrids between minks and fishmen , human and fishmen and hinted human minks exists in universe so i believe an hybrid animal minks is possible . My theory : chopper is born hybrid from a reindeer and a minks , his parents died and he lives with the pack on 4 feet . When he ate the hito hito no mi he didnt transform into humanoid but his minks instincts took over and he developped human traits with rumble ball afterwards
I think that Chopper being some sort of sub-variant does actually make sense, like complete sense, for one simple reason. "I was a reindeer. I ate something. It changed me." He doesn't KNOW what it was he actually ate as far as human terminology goes, because he was literally still a reindeer when he ate it. Whatever exactly tells someone what the sub-variant they consumed was, whether it's a different look or an understanding of it's powers after consumption, is basically something that doesn't apply to Chopper, because he wasn't human to start with, and no one that might know how to identify it, has done so. I'm honestly kind of wondering/expecting this to actually be officially clarified whenever they finally come face to face with vegapunk. My genuine thoughts are that it's probably a unique/unidentified one, similarly to how CP9's were "unknown effect", and because he's a reindeer, rather than a human, he can't really describe the actual transformations, and may not even be able to properly control/understand them, in the same way a human would be able to. I will say that Wendigo makes WAY too much sense, especially considering where he's from and what species he naturally was. However, if zoan types are supposed to influence their personality... Chopper isn't at all bloodthirsty, like a Wendigo would be. Even his thriller bark transformation didn't really feel like a wendigo, but just a "generic monster".
My head-cannon is that the fruit Chopper ate is the Hito Hito No Mi: Model Human and it allows him to transform into all the human races: His base form would be Walk Point, ressembling a reindeer. Brain Point would be his hybrid form, half human and half reindeer with the boost in intelligence that means. "Base Human" would be his Heavy Point Longarm Tribe would be his Arm Point, which is substituted after time skip with Kung Fu Point. Longleg Tribe would be his Jumping Point Snakeneck Tribe would be his Guard Point Giants would ressemble his form after eating a Rumble Ball and going Monster Point, and then the consequences of the abuse of this form leaves him in a "Dwarf/Tontatta" state. Note that after the Time Skip, Chopper can get into any Point but Monster Point without the need of Rumble Balls
to me monster point is a forced/failed awakening (due to the rumble ball) and that's why he doesn't have that cloud "scarf" around his neck like luffy or lucci, so i think chopper will some day learn how to use it naturally and monster point would officially become his awakening just a headcanon tho
I remember vividly that after the time skip the first time chopper used monster point he talked about how its the only point he has to use a rumble ball now and he can use it for 3 minutes. I cant find the clip right now but every time chopper comes up i hear that he only has 3 base points when I'm pretty sure he can use any one of them now freely
If I remember correctly, fruits were called like that because they had a demon inside that stayed in your heart and the reason why you died when consuming 2 is because demons fight for your body
Considering all we know about how Oda does things now and considering what Chopper does and what his fruit looks like, we can summarize the situation pretty neatly:
-Chopper has human like intelligence and his "full human form" is quite hairy
-Chopper can grow to giant size by eating a pellet
-Chopper became a doctor after eating his fruit
-His fruit looks like a mushroom with a red top
Conclusion: Chopper ate the "Hito Hito no Mi model: Doctor Mario"
You made my day 🤣🔥🔥🔥
😒hahaha so funny
I think it's human human Model: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde... A doctor that uses science to chang himself into a monster (rumble ball anyone?)... Meaning he might also have 2 awakenings. Monster point and an actual human form... Could actually be the pinnacle of what a human can be.
@@vinnyclegg yeah, no.
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My hottest take is that Chopper's fruit is, in actuality, the Hito Hito No Mi Model: Mink. I first considered this in Zhou when they offhandedly mentioned that the minks call humans "lesser minks" because they think humans are just mostly-hairless minks. The similarities between Sulong and Monster Point made me even more suspicious, and seeing Chopper's rumble ball working for Bepo got me 100% in on the theory.
A lot of it's strangeness makes a lot more sense if you think of it as the mink fruit. His default brain point form looks a lot like some of the minks we've seen, and it explains his inability to FULLY become a human. I think his points are all combinations of various attributes from his reindeer, mink, and sulong forms. If I'm right, we will see Chopper use electro before the end of the series.
He would finally have a herd or tribe if this true
@@waffledropper1826 I think he already does within the straw hats
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then shouldnt he have a zulong form
Didn't chopper explicitly say he no longer needs the rumble ball for all of his basic points and in addition only needs to consume a singld rumble ball for monster point post time skip?
This I was going to comment exactly this
It was early timeskip probably on Fishman Island idk it's been many years
Was just about to post the same thing
This, seems like an obvious slip up to bait comments.
Louder!
Wanted to post this as well xD
Im rewatching OP with a friend and im at the beginning of Fishmen Island, if he doesn't say it i'll come back to this comment and correct this but for now i remember clearly him saying he doesn't need Rumble Balls for anything except Monster Point...
Since Luffy’s fruit reveal, I’ve begun to think that all Devil Fruits are driven somewhat by imagination, rather than physicality. That the user is essentially pushing their internal logic to determine the limits of the fruits
I think it’d explain weird powers like Baby 5 (what she can become is limited to whatever she herself considers a weapon), or odd abilities like Law’s Gamma Knife/Injection Shot (which don’t really make sense unless you think “this room is my operating theatre, as a doctor I can do this, so in here I can do it as well”)
This could also link to your suggestion that Chopper sees himself as a monster, so his fruit takes on more monster like properties
This actually would explain Kaku's use of the Ushi Ushi no Mi, Model: Giraffe, as throughout the fight with Zoro it becomes increasingly clear that 1.) Kaku does not know what a Giraffe is and 2.) Kaku's abilities are strange and not things a Giraffe can normally do.
Also King and Queen commenting on the skills of their own devil fruit dinosaurs, which obviously they don’t know.
It may be similar to what Vegapunk said too about df too
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@@Paulo594 right, it fits with his word about "Devil Fruits were born out of the wishes the people had"
@@SuperCybertigerSo human fruit bron from the wish of a human ? fish man ? Minks ? Oda is never gonna give this a answer sadly
Chopper's fruit is truly a Human-Human fruit. I mean, you have to use drugs to reach your peak.
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Winner dont use drugs unless steroids in which case use lots of drugs- Gary sao tutorial npc
Fax
UnderRail thaught me that winners always drug up before a fight.
Man did chopper dirty 💀
After the 2 year training arc, chopper doesn't need the rumble ball anymore except for his gigantic form. He basically modified his power using science. As for his "human" form, it's really just a very hairy human, according to one piece standards. Though after the training arc he made it bulkier and more monstrous as you said. The only strange thing is that he's still so small in his hybrid form despite reaching an adult size in his animal form.
Kinda like sugar
No. Every other zoan actually has transformed. He's the only zoan I've seen simply cannot change their to look like what he's allegedly supposed to look like. No normal human being is shaped that way or that hairy.
@cyberfunk6699 It's true no normal human in one piece is that hairy as far as I know, but there are definitely some that are shaped that way, or shaped just as strangely.
Though he keeps the nose of a reindeer, which is strange.
Posttime skip it feel like he have total control on how his transformations look like. His new form, the kung fu point, look exactly like the humans from the island he was, so it is more likely intentional. He said himself he decided to become a monster so he doesn’t need his human form to look human anymore, so he CHOOSE to make it look like it. Then, it mean the fact his hybrid form is still so small is intentional too, this is the form he like to take by default, he like looking like that, this is a choice he made himself.
I'd like to make a correction, which is very important. Mushrooms are in fact NOT vegetables and indeed NOT fruits. Mushrooms are mushrooms, a completely separate entity from both vegetables and fruits, they belong to the group of Fungi. This is similar to how spiders are neither bugs or insects, but simply spiders.
Mushrooms are also neither plants nor animals. They are separate in their own category of lifeforms
Irritatingly enough, the mushroom part of the fungus is referred to as the "fruiting body", leading many people to confidently and incorrectly call them fruits
Wouldn’t that make them a fungus
Fun guy*
I've literally never heard of someone thinking a mushroom is a fruit.
Chopper's fruit also seems to have had a major effect on one other aspect of him, his aging. Chopper was already 15 when we first met him, which, for a reindeer, would actually be extremely old. And, by now, he's probably nearly nineteen, which is older than ANY reindeer ever gets. And yet he is, if anything younger physically than even a human, would be at his age. Also he still has the iron repair band on his antler even though, as a reindeer, he should have shed and re-greown his antlers many, many times since he broke it (unless he now just adds one for cosmetic reasons). I have a nagging suspicion that Chopper is going to live to an age far beyond what even a normal human will (even without factoring in that, as a doctor, he has a pretty good idea of how to keep himself healthy.)
Funny thing is, his Walk Point shows his physical age, better than his Brain Point, as he looks like a fully grown reindeer, rather than the chibi mascot.
I also wonder if he might not be better off using Heavy Point in some non fighting circumstances. While he wouldn't need the muscles, Heavy Point does give him fingers, which I would imagine would make things like surgery a lot easier.
@@Sojoboscribe Tbh, he got used to it, it's like trying to type on a new keyboard layout, you will not be able to master it in a day, will take a year at least, so there's that. Also his Heavy point is big, imagine trying to be precise with a needle when you are as big as Shaq.
@Raikos100 True, but it appears he is able to develop new points with practice. I didn't so much mean use heavy point as possibly develop a smaller lighter point with fingers for surgery ( call it Dexterous Point).
The way I see it there are actually two awakened zoan fruit forms. The failed forms which is the ones we see in impale down in which the animal side takes over and a true awakening in what we see with Lucci where the human side takes over. Chopper managed to gain control of the failed awaken form as he is an animal first and foremost but he has yet to show a true awakening with the halo/ring around his shoulders in which he is taken over by the human side of his fruit.
i agree! and was hoping someone else out there would bring it up too.
Truuuu. But will his full awakening form be a reindeer or a white guy with khakis and a dress shirt LOL
@@juliantaylor5956 i think it will be like lucci where its human all but the facial features and markings of the animal.
@@juliantaylor5956 Hito hito no mi model Rayleigh?
@@Phantasmen XD so true
Pekoms used his ability twice: once in fish-man island and the second time in zou when jack was attacking zunesha and everything was falling sideways, Pekoms used his shell to “cushion” his impact when falling out of bed.
Chopper also has a hidden devil fruit. I believe we will learn of his zoan model later on the series. He is literally the only zoan in one piece without a model, so it must be kept hidden.
I can't say that for sure with how oda likes to add retroactive twists like he does but choppers doesn't need a model type. Other zoans have models because their animal categories cover so many varieties of one animal that are each basically their own species. Humans are just one species in total and its much different from how wide a variety a dog can come in. The basic human human fruit doesn't need a model because humans are just humans.
In the English dub of the anime his model type is Model: Standard.
Isnt Dalton just the Ox-Ox fruit, while Kaku has the Ox-Ox Fruit: Model Giraffe?
@@Willty64 Dalton's fruit is Model Bison, it won't make sense if only Choppers fruit doesn't have a model.
@@FlareFritz Human's aren't just humans in One Piece world. there are many subtypes including fishmen, lunarian, buccaneer, long arm, long leg, minks.
I said it years ago, and I'll say it again. I genuinely think that Chopper's fruit is actually a sub type of the Hito Hito no Mi, and it's actually something like a sasquatch or bigfoot fruit, but he doesn't realize it. Kinda the same way Luffy was wrong about what fruit he ate.
Even if that's not what Oda originally intended he could totally say it now and no one would question it haha
I've been years saying that I firmly defend it isn't base hito hito too. At the very least model mink (gorila?)
@@xuklysc Yeah, same here. In fact, I think I even made the same statement on the Devil Fruit 101 video Liam did for Chopper's fruit, and there are still people getting in on that conversation years later. The revelation about Luffy's fruit caused in influx of comments about it too.
I definitely think there’s a little more to be explained about it, wouldn’t be surprised if Vegapunk eventually has something to say about it
I'm thinking Wendigo.
I always figured he used drugs to unlock specific features of his fruit so all his 'points' were just the hybrid form forced to emphasize different features. In which case any zoan user could potentially hybrid into specific forms. For example, someone with a bird fruit would normally hybrid into wings, beak, claws, etc. But perhaps if they were to take Chopper's drugs or learn his technique they could manifest ONLY wings, or ONLY feet depending on what they needed. Though looking at how Oda likes to go back and change things to suit what he wants to tell now it's more likely than not chopper will suddenly have a mythical fruit like Luffy does now and he'll say "Oh there is no human form because it isn't REALLY a normal human fruit."
Back when we first learned that “a certain devil fruit in use on Wano” existed under a false identity, and we had yet to learn that it was Luffy’s, I had the idea that that devil fruit was the Hito Hito no mi, and instead of being a human Zoan, it was actually an *evolution* Paramecia, because we’d never seen Chopper go full human, and many of his points like guard and original horn point actually become distinctly less human. Instead, I theorized that all of Chopper’s transformations were actually different paths of evolution reindeer in the world of One Piece could eventually take, and the reason the five elders were so concerned about it was because if it awakened, the user could evolve other beings, and we would learn that an ancient user of that fruit was responsible for creating all the various races of the world like Fishmen, Minks, Giants, and Longarm tribesmen by evolving standard humans into them.
I’m now invested in this theory
That's amazing
Yeah he becomes a better reindeer. He acts like he would be human eating a reindeer fruit and losing humanity as a second side effect or smth.
Silly you for thinking Chopper would ever be relevant to the main plot again and not just be a cute mascot character for the rest of time.
That would have been better than retconning Luffy's Gum-Gum Fruit into another Human-Human Fruit.
Since Luffy didn't know the name of his fruit and just got the rubber as a side perk, then it could be that Chopper is like a yeti or something similar. There seem to be a lot of variants for the human fruit.
unless its registerd the fruits are named by the user
The sea water thing has always been pretty consistent. It doesn't turn off your power it just makes you too weak to use them.
Luffy doesn't lose any rubber property he just was too weak to stretch himself. But his body remains stretchy.
It's been that way since day one
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
If we wanted to see Chopper be forced into standard Walk Point, Blackbeard's power would do it since it totally turns off devil fruits. The real scary question is what happens to Brook if Blackbeard uses his power on him?
@ReinbachIII Brook would be fine. He would stay in his body but he wouldn't be able to use his powers. He would be limited to his swordfighting.
@@davidwilliam9681 In fishman island brook was already forced to swim in seawater. Turns out, he's fine. It makes sense to me, why would you actively need strength in order to not die?
Yup. If that were the case, Luffy would have died in Arlong Park as Nojiko would be unable to stretch his neck to get his head above water.
what happens if you become too weak to maintain your state of revival over your revived body, since revival is your power, a power weakened by sea water.
He doesn't have any lungs to hold his breath or drown with.
Brook may actually start getting directly killed by water once fully submerged. Hes like a Newgame plus character with a shared stamina, mana, and health bar.
Conctact with sea water will effect all 3 as one for him.
If he loses his strength and has his ability weakened by ocean water, he wont be able to maintain self resurection.
He will just get progressively sleepier instead of drowning. Eventually losing so much consciousness he has returned to his normal self from 50 years ago...... inanimate...
I love that you left the picture falling in the entire end of your video
The comedic timing was pretty good too
I really like the explanation for Devil Fruits being products of desire and will, since it explains why certain fruits of similar types work differently, or why some like the Hobby fruit have all these weird, left-field powers, and tons of other random/inconsistent junk
I think zoans can awaken in 2 different forms. if their body or mind or whatever is not ready, they get overwhelmed and end up like monster point or the jailbeasts, but if you truly master your devilfruit, you get something like the cp0 guys. basically, the fruit might take over the eater if not done properly. that might also explain why there arn't any awakened among kaido. theym ight've just feared ending up somewhat mindless beasts.
I can imagine vegapunk used something similair to a more advanced rumble ball to forcefully awaken the jailer beasts
I have 3 things to say.
1. I always assumed it was like that because it was an animal who ate it. It makes sense that Chopper would still have animalistic like features in other forms because all Zoan Users have that in common.
2. I figured Chopper didn’t have a full awakening, but more of a Sudo Awakening. But the other comments brought up a good point. Full Awakened Zoans appear when the user have full control & mastery over their fruit.
3. If a normal human eats the Human Human Fruit… they gain the maximum potential of Humanity. For instance if Raily ate it… he could temporarily revert to his Peak Human state. A.k.a. His Younger Self.
It's weird, I could have sworn that Oda originally designed the Human-Human Fruit to look human-shaped... Then again, having it look like a mushroom would make it easy for Chopper to think it was just a regular mushroom and eat it.
His new designs are probably the Canon forms.
Which is annoying because when he started the series on screen (or panel) fruits look like real world fruits.
Also, don't remember if this is from the original dub or the English dub, but either Sanji or Blackbeard make reference to both the DF Encyclopedia and memorizing the shape and patterns.
Which lead me to believe that multiple fruits could be modeled similarly (example a pineapple) but have different swirl patterns that help distinguish them apart, maybe even be different colors.
It would have been cool if the hito hito no mi was instead a mandragora, a plant with a root that resembles a person somewhat.
Having it be a mushroom is also really thematically beautiful to have it tie into our world. With how some people do shrooms, to feel they've been enlightened.
@@Quocalimar Reindeer in Siberia do eat psychedelic mushrooms often, and shamans drink... yeah.
@@harley8047 We havent seen aaaaall that many official fruits yet tbh, and most of them still just look like fruits with weird things attached or with weird patterns. The Ito Ito no mi is basically just a messed up pear, and so does the gura gura
To the point of submerging the water, Luffy still stretches as well. The Brain point "point" seems more like it's probably just his least dangerous or "baseline" form so it might just be the one that takes his body the least energy to be in, or rather he's "flexing" the last, so being submerged causes him to revert to that instead.
Choppers fruit is a lot of references. One that you missed was actually the tie between the Fly Amanita and the reindeer, people used to feed the hallucinogenic mushroom to their reondeer after drying them on trees so they could consume the urine and trip balls. This is thought to be one of the many many things that helped create what we now know as christmas traditions when they were all rolled up together
I am pretty sure Chopper did say after the timeskip that now he has access to those points without rumble balls. The only he has to take a rumble ball was monster point.
he did.
The drugs cheats the awakening, making him be able to kinda access it temporaly. As he trains he can slowly awaken it for real, and you notice how his points are a big different from before also, meaning he got the true awakening on those forms, being able to use them better.
@@Raikos100 I'm pretty sure chopper simply learned how to use the points without the meds and the reason they changed, I believe chopper explained was because he realised luffy needs him to be a monster so he stopped trying to not be monsterish or w/e (can't remember the arc but it was ofc post time skip :P)
mushrooms are not vegetables mushrooms are mushrooms
A fungus among us may i say
7:10 except, we konw from the manga ( didn't see the anime) that in the timeskip chopper trained to reach those "drug inducen" forms naturally, as the ruble ball only helped him reaching points in the spectrum he didn't have access to, and now needs the rumble ball only to reach monster point, that he now can control.
Fun fact. Choppers fruit is based off the amanita muscaria mushroom because reindeer absolutely love eating them.
Not so fun fact. The reindeer herders will sometimes drink the rain deer urine because they can't process the mescaline. Making the herders higher then wmba 🐱
There's no mescaline in amanita muscaria. There's other halluciniogenics but not mescaline. Actually, there's *nothing whatsoever* that contains mescaline growing in Northern Europe where the tradition stems from, and definitely not in the area where the Sami people (Sweden's indigenous people, the only ones still herding reindeer in the world) live.
Actually I wanted to correct this too - not only are mushrooms not vegetables (they’re a complex system of mycelium) Amanita’s do not contain mescaline - you’re confusing it with peyote. This is an important distinction because mescaline has desirable traits but Aminitas, which contain muscimol (not even psilocybin, the active psyedelic component in most commonly done psychoactive mushrooms) are extremely dissociative and toxic to the human body. Do not think you can eat the shrooms chopper did, because even if you and didn’t die, you will not have the silly trip you’re thinking of. You’re looking for mushrooms that grow in poop or woodchips and aren’t as pretty - sorry
@@mrknots oh they are just as pretty growing out of cow 💩 my eyes light up and they sparkle. Lmao.
It's because the mushrooms that grow there are poisonous and the deer filter that out.
I think his fruit chose to be eaten by chopper. The gum gum hid from the government for 800 years and Yamatos fruit stayed on wano and found its best protector. Some fruits are based on their own will and can "pick" when and where to be found. I always thought of it like the one ring having its own desires.
But if mushrooms/fungus can be Devil Fruits in One Piece, the real question is: did Django ate a Devil Fruit when he ate the mushroom in his face that made him able to perform his hypnosis techniques?
The best theory I've seen on the Human Human Fruit is that it is actually the miracle cure that was mentioned in Drum Island. Since Chopper mistook a mushroom for the cure.
I think choppers fruit is honestly pretty consistent with zoan lore, its just an issue of everyone thinking its weird because we're human.
Even when fully transformed zoan users retain some features of their alternate form, like the sword growing elephant tusks or lucy being a leopard with frizzy hair so it stands to reason choppers human form would retain some parts of being a reindeer like being extra hairy. And we've seen humans in every shape and size in one piece so chopper doesnt really stand out much compared to most people. If katakuri can be a human thats 20ft tall with shark teeth then choppers human form can be hairy with big arms.
As for his other forms theyre explained via the rumble balls unlocking new forms and him learning to use them. I mean maybe every zoan has an unlimited number of forms and people are just uncreative with it or dont try to learn new forms because they never thought to, its not like there are devil fruit masters out there handing down techniques and the fruits are so rare people arent sure they're real outside the grand line. How long did it take momo to learn to transform between the basic forms, how would you expect some normal person to think of a new form or awakening without seeing someone else do it first.
I think chopper's full human transformation is actually Brain Point. My evidence for this is he is literally a mature for his age child.
The only thing that I mostly know about the Hito Hito fruit series is that even if a human ate the fruit unless there is a main application, the end result would be what happened to Brook before he died. It would look as if nothing or barely anything happened at all and all you got was the short end of the stick.
Also, the fact that he can speak while in his full animal form should be noted. That is unique to him as far as I remember.
The fact that Law as pirate yielded a lesser reward than his DF would on its own was low-key disappointing.
Also, if we add his bounty & DF value we get 8 billion berries which is quite interesting. I wonder how many pirates will cross Rogers bounty if we add their individual bounty with their fruit value...
Why it doesn't add to it's bounty value is because of 2 things
1. The pirate could be brought in dead, which would mean no fruit, it reincarnated somewhere else
2. If they got the pirate alive, they would still need to find the type of fruit the DF would reincarnate into, and then have it on hand when killing him, and we don't even know if that's how reincarnation actually even works.
Plus acquiring the fruit themselves has a much higher value then ridding the world of one, relatively inactive, pirates shenanigans.
With the recent development in regards to devil fruits I very much believe that this fruit was intended for someone's animal friend. Prolongs life, teaches human language, and teaches human way of thinking
Chopper! My favourite super-underused character! Seriously, Chopper got the short end of the stick, he deserves so much more time than he gets
You forgot to mention that Lucci has 5 forms. He has fully human, fully jaguar, hybrid, bulky hybrid, and awakened hybrid. His Awakened fruit producing dark clouds deserves some attention.
my favorite theory is that the fruit doesnt turn the user into just simply a human, but into the humanoid beings in the one piece world. their evolutionary tree, you could say.
you can see chopper turn into a bunch of humanoid races, like giants with monster point or the torino with kung fu point. i just like the idea that chopper could be any humanoid race and in that way change to the situations needs.
or maybe hes just able to accentuate certain parts of his body instead, idk.
Choppers fruit behaves alot like luffys. And since we know that they are both hito-hito style, I think that human fruits work differently in having multiple forms, like in choppers case points and in luffys case gears. Interestingly those zhoans are the only ones that change the body from the getgo. Luffy got a rubber body and chopper is a deer standing on 2 legs(like a human). The only other hito-hito fruit there is is Zengoku. But we haven't seen enough of him sadly.
For quite some time, I have a feeling that Chopper's Devil Fruit is actually the Fruit of the Forest God! Which might be a more logical reason why Blackbeard went to Drum Island.
Seems redundant now we know about greenbull though
@@a.N..... I use to think Ryokugyu could have been the user of that Legendary Zoan (which in my opinion is type of Zoan the Nika Fruit & the other God named ones should be). But after learning that it is Logia, as well as what Celestial Dragon sympathizer he is, I no longer think that way.
More logical than it being an island famous for having some of the best doctors on the grand line?
I think Choppers fruit would work a lot better if it were the humanoid fruit. In Choppers case, that lets him shift between an animal and different types of humanoid like forms. While if a human did that, it would be the same thing with their regular physical build and then potentially more lanky to more bulk forms.
The part about a wendigo Devil Fruit sounds pretty scary, scarier than I can imagine Chopper ever being. Like sure, Chopper unlocking Monster Point for the first time (which I consider to be his awakening) at Enies Lobby was kinda scary, but not wendigo levels of scary 😱
I believe the rumble balls are to awaken the innate abilities of a human in Chopper's DF, but not the kind of humans like we are in the real world. There is really no distinction between giants and long-arm tribe and natural looking people in the One Piece world, so we might say that Chopper's DF is a collection of all unique traits of "humans" and chopper uses the rumble balls to improve his physical ability in order to manifest these traits
The only thing that's ever confused me about Chopper's powers is: Why do the points, especially horn point and monster point, emphasize the reindeer parts more than the human parts?
wendigo model
Because he is a reindeer at his core. It is his fruit that gives him his human aspect.
The rumble balls give him the ability to change his appearance more drastically on both the animal and human sides like a mutation. Also, this is a theory, but I believe his devil fruit enables him to change into any human shape/body time, which is why he can appear small like a child and big like a neanderthal and gigantic like a titan. These are all different states of human evolution, and his semi awakening just turns him into a human monster/yeti because chopper sees himself as an abomination or freak because of his blue nose and even more also because of the human human fruit.
I'd say, brain point is peak of human power, being smart. The rest could be a mutation bcs of the drugs (or forced awakening)
Well Chopper does say in the fishman island battle that he only needs the rumble ball for one transformation which is his "monster point" form. So I always figured he just transforms because he trained to do it.
Note on brook in water: he would remain in his body since he already died, he just went back to his body
i choose to believe that what we’re seeing with chopper is a true awakening, if you put the three zoan forms on a scale chopper can move the slider in a way current zoans have not, this could go along with his character being a doctor he has an in-depth understanding of human biology as well as his own
Also, remember that humans in one piece can learn to do some really weird things with their bodies, and zoans more so. Both Kaku and Lucci have optional transformations that could be considered "points".
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brook dosent immediately die when he falls into the water because being submerged only stops active abilities from being activated, but passive things like brook's immortality or luffy's rubber body cannot be turned off, there is a scene in one piece where luffy falls in the water and to prevent him from drowning they stretch his neck all the way until his head is out of the water
Heavy Point was absolutely established to be his Human Form; Brain point his Hybrid, and Walk Point his full animal form. Plus Chopper hasn't needed a rumble ball to transform into anything but Monster Point since the time skip lol
yh but heavy point isnt a human is more " humanlike" so why doesnt his df work correctly.
@@abduking. last I checked leopards don't have curly hair or giraffe having square nose. All DF users have features of there original form in there full animal form. Chopper's fur and nose are not an outlier.
@@weathermangohanssj4 Nothing you've said is valid. lucci doesnt have curly hair and kaku doesnt have a square nose in there full beast transformations. you might of forgot that so i'll give you the benfit of doubt but your wrong.
@@abduking. It is human. He's just hairy.
@@thisisnotme6542 thats not how humans are built 😭😭 also he still has his regular nose shape which isn't human 😭.Kaku doesn't have his square nose shape in his full beast transformation so why is it different for chopper 🤔??
5:50Mushrooms are not vegetables for those curious. Fungi are their own animal kingdom! They are more closely related to humans than they are fruits and vegetables like liam so elloquently describes; they grow and comunitcate through root & nervous system like bodies called mycelium. They are even theorized to have concsious thoughts (just in a very diffferent way), and are confirmed to communicate across huge distances with something called the mycelial network. I also think this is why Oda used a mushroom for the hito hito no mi, thanks liam for the mushroom education
Chopper needs a Powerup!!! Maybe a Human looking base form with the ability to still Beast Out /Monsterize!
Ive known both those odd food facts (humans share 50% dnd with mushrooms and 50% with bananas). But never held both thoughts so close together.
You just intimidated that humans are mushroom bananas. And that thought will have me amiling all day.
Thank you.
Was Oda’s response to a human eating the human fruit a slight to the nika fruit? He did that “run away” thing like the reader was on to something…
Honestly Oda missed an opportunity by not using Chopper's original concept for the fake Strawhats. Like this walking, talking middle-aged feeling reindeer chainsmoking with a bourbon in his hoof talking with a gravely cigarette-ravaged voice like "oh yes I am the Cotton Candy Lover, aren't I adorable?"
Chopper's fruit is going to be revealed as a Mythical Hito Hito, Model: Shamisen aka The Forest God. Think about these two things: How is Chopper able to communicate with every kind of animal? We've seen many instances where animals don't coexist with each other, but only do so whenever Chopper has an influence since he's able to communicate with almost all of them. Secondly, the mystery of Drum Island, we have Kureha talking about the Will of D, Hiriluk talking about haki users, Joyboy and the Void Century in his iconic speech, and lastly Blackbeard comes to visit the island for some reason. So clearly there is some grander occurrence happening with Drum Island and its history, it could be related to Chopper's uncommon Devil fruit.
I dunno, this seems like the "animals can talk to other animals" trope
@TheLazylonewolf Not true, not all animals can talk to each other. The only time they do speak with one another is when Chopper is initiating conversation. So it's happening for a reason
Chopper literally says that because he is an animal he can talk with other animals..
It's like Kuma's daughter, who stays adult even when unconscious, it's more to keep the story going, and it can also be from using that mode so much because of fear of showing the real form, it ends up that the body gets used to staying in that mode even in the ocean or unconscious.
Don’t forget Stronger the horse ate a Pegasus devil fruit. I wonder if Chopper’s human-human fruit is actually a shape shifter model as it can take on different human shapes and designs?
Hito Hito no mi Model Changeling?
Dude just let the fruit alone. Not every fruit is mythical just because Luffys is
7:03
Chopper said that after his time skip training he only needs the rumble ball for Monster point. And every time he consumes one now he's instantly in monster and can't change till the ball wears off.
Chopper’s awakening should be a wendigo
two chopper theories i have had for years:
first off chopper no longer uses rumble balls for anything but his monster point, he achieved this by mastering life return.
this checks out because rob lucci also uses life return to alter the qualities of his hybrid form AND chopper has witnessed kumadori using it, so it stands to reason that he would be interested in the subject.
secondly and less supported: choppers fruit is an ancient zoan hence why his full human form is big and hairy.
Onimaru doesn't even turn into what he's supposed to. He turns into an entirely different person called benkei, the real life person carried 7 weapons, and the folklore depiction is characterized as being a weapon hoarder.
1:25 from what we've seen of the Sea Effect, it seems to just remove the will to live so the user drowns and can't use their fruit's power but on a subconscious level some stuff might happen like Chopper going to brain point and brook not dying or luffy stretching in Arlong Park.
11:03 they don't specifically say enlightenment but that is absolutely a fair translation of what Oda was describing.
We all know that Monster Point was a really cool silhouette in Oda's mind... thus awesome...
Fun facts: Wendigo have about a dozen different names in Native American tradition. They are widely known for having antlers however that is not actually consistent with Native American legends. The deer like form can be attributed to the European settlers mixing in their conception of werewolves with the wendigo. According to legend you can become a wendigo by committing cannibalism, or more rarely from rampant greed.
If you recall Oda's SBS where he showed the nakama's possible futures, Chopper's included the potential of becoming somewhat demonic if he went bad.
Even though Oda didn't show a good future to be 'godly', I think he was hinting at Chopper's devil fruit being something more mythical than just a regular human-human fruit.
I believe the reason Chopper is so different is because of the medications he takes to give himself 7 different forms of his body, even augmenting his largest form and the ability to keep his consciousness in that form because of said meds.
Also, I keep wondering if Chopper will gain the ability of the minks with their Sulong abilities
I always thought that after the time skip that Chopper could access his less regular points and only needed rumble balls for monster point. I figured part of his training was distablizing his fruit's power to access the special points and gain control over monster point. Ceasaur also modifies his rumble balls to keep monster point going longer, which further made me believe this
The explanation is easy: zoan users transforms in what they know about the animal or fruit. Luffy didn't knew he had a zoan, so he never tried or managed to transform until he awaken it. And for Chopper, he just don't see much of diference in humans overall, so in his mind his strong point if a perfect human being.
I think Human-human fruit not having any model is like a "wildcard" zoan fruit - it gives Chopper the freedom to choose the form or model he wants. Similar to the idea that humans have the potential to become whatever they want.
According to Oda, your body changes based on your desire or your drive. Chopper, gaining sentience, may have undergone this transformation. If his goal is to be the best "ideal" doctor, he can't do that as a reindeer. Thus his devil fruit opened the path for him to "naturally" become more human like
Being underwater does not turn off Devilfruit powers.
Back when fighting Arlong, Luffy was stuck underwater. And they stretched his neck to the surface to give him mouth to mouth.
Instead it seems to say "looses all actions and the ability to maintain already activated abilities".
So Chopper cannot swim, transform or even maintain a transformation. But Brook would not die.
I think it's even explainable why Chopper's fruit behaves differently from other Zoans...
Chopper used rumble balls at the beginning, so you could say that he augmented his devil fruit (much like Ceasar Clown did with his gasu gasu no mi)
This could also explain why he becomes brainpoint when he's submerged in water (it just behaves "abnormal" because of the augmentations)
The fruite is a direct presentation of the 'medicinal' mushroom amanita muscaria.
This mushroom in comparison to other enthiogens as ayuahasca or other psycedelic mushroom is called "The human mushroom" because it gives a profound perspective of what ones place in this world as a human being could be.
The biggest reason why i think its not just a human human fruit is because it was implied that devil fruits came from some sort of wishes and i struggle to believe someone would wish to be just a human
On EggHead island when Lucci showed his awakened form they explain that "Most of the time, when a Zoan type Fruit awakens, it robs the user of their personality!" Now what happened when Chopper first used Monster Point?
Since Vegapunk thinks Devil fruits are like the realization of human desires.
I like how that implies someone probably wished: "Damn I wish I was a regular ass human. that would be cool."
There is alot of things in One Piece that goes deep and has big meaning, but when i saw a gun eating a devil fruit i knew i shouldn't think too much on the logic behind the devil fruits
I think human human fruit enables Chopper to be like in any human form.
Arm point - Person with strong arms
Kung fu point - A chubby Person
Monster point - A Giant person? (Giants)
etc
I always thought that Chopper's fruit was something like Hito Hito no Mi: Model Abominable Snowman. On his first transformation people literally treated him like some humanoid monster from the snowy mountains (abominable snowman), and Monster Point is a bit similar to what the Yeti Cool Brothers looked like on Punk Hazard.
I think the reason why chopper can't turn into a full on human is because we as humans recognice the difference to an actual human easier. An actual dog probably also wouldn't be fooled by a human transforming in full on dog form, because it is more sensitive too what a dog should look like
I figured out what we missed the fruits give an idealistic form of the animal. His human form is the first form we see him in during the drum island flashbacks (when he is shot) it is muscled and hairy but still human. Looking what a normally strong human looks like in one piece (a bit like dalton to be honest) the only thing that was off was the amount of hair which humans can be quite hairy.
It looks like chopper's devil fruit is similar to luffy's devil fruit in a smaller level. All transformations are similar and relatable to luffy's transformation.
It’s been hinted at and I’m not sure if it’s been outright said but a good amount of the DV powers seem to be only limited by the users imagination. The one example I can think of rn is Kalifa saying something along the lines of “my bubbles do whatever I imagine and I have a very vivid imagination”. So I like the idea the reason chopper doesn’t go “full human” is because full
Human is how he imagines himself
I think he has the human-human fruit model Sasquatch. It still gives him a human-like appearance and also explains why his monster point looks the way it does. A cross between his reindeer form and a Sasquatch and that's why it looks the way it does.
I think his fruit probably encompasses ALL human tribes rather than just a base human, which is why it has so many different forms. Monster point is probably something along the lines of a Giant Hybrid or some other huge Human tribe who are massive. This could mean he has the potential to unlock forms similar to that of King who has wings or double joints in his arms like Apoo.
I have a theory that choppers fruit is the human human fruit model mink because minks aren’t fully human
i have 2 theories for his devil fruit!
1. the fruit isnt actually called the “hito hito no mi”, they might have faked its name, bc we know black beard was searching for it, so it might be super important, and the fruit could possibly be a body-flexing fruit, which allows the user to use their senses flexibly.
2. devil fruits are born out of peoples desire, so there could have been a spices of non-humans, who desired to live like a human, thus creating the human human fruit, perhaps it was never meant to be eaten by humans!
Human eating the human human fruit equals a normal human who now cannot swim
If perception is the key to how a devil fruit works, it makes sense Chopper's first transformation into a human would be like...that. He was an ordinary reindeer and lacked the higher brain function to properly visualize being a human. By the time his brainpower fully kicked in, he was already traumatized. Onimaru had years of practice, and for all we know he also had to iron out his transformation at first. I'd like to think Chopper *is* able to turn into a proper human by this point, but has never felt any reason to. It wouldn't have any use in combat, and his identity is so closely tied to Brain Point that it's his default rather than his actual natural reindeer form.
Only Oda can design a smoking reindeer, in a Hawaiian shirt, whos expression says 'I never recover from my traumatizing experiences', and say "this isn't unique enough."
since the introduction of minks i started believing chopper wasnt a real reindeer but an hybrid . We dont really know the rules of reproduction in one piece but hybrids between minks and fishmen , human and fishmen and hinted human minks exists in universe so i believe an hybrid animal minks is possible . My theory : chopper is born hybrid from a reindeer and a minks , his parents died and he lives with the pack on 4 feet . When he ate the hito hito no mi he didnt transform into humanoid but his minks instincts took over and he developped human traits with rumble ball afterwards
I think that Chopper being some sort of sub-variant does actually make sense, like complete sense, for one simple reason.
"I was a reindeer. I ate something. It changed me."
He doesn't KNOW what it was he actually ate as far as human terminology goes, because he was literally still a reindeer when he ate it.
Whatever exactly tells someone what the sub-variant they consumed was, whether it's a different look or an understanding of it's powers after consumption, is basically something that doesn't apply to Chopper, because he wasn't human to start with, and no one that might know how to identify it, has done so.
I'm honestly kind of wondering/expecting this to actually be officially clarified whenever they finally come face to face with vegapunk.
My genuine thoughts are that it's probably a unique/unidentified one, similarly to how CP9's were "unknown effect", and because he's a reindeer, rather than a human, he can't really describe the actual transformations, and may not even be able to properly control/understand them, in the same way a human would be able to.
I will say that Wendigo makes WAY too much sense, especially considering where he's from and what species he naturally was. However, if zoan types are supposed to influence their personality... Chopper isn't at all bloodthirsty, like a Wendigo would be. Even his thriller bark transformation didn't really feel like a wendigo, but just a "generic monster".
My head-cannon is that the fruit Chopper ate is the Hito Hito No Mi: Model Human and it allows him to transform into all the human races:
His base form would be Walk Point, ressembling a reindeer.
Brain Point would be his hybrid form, half human and half reindeer with the boost in intelligence that means.
"Base Human" would be his Heavy Point
Longarm Tribe would be his Arm Point, which is substituted after time skip with Kung Fu Point.
Longleg Tribe would be his Jumping Point
Snakeneck Tribe would be his Guard Point
Giants would ressemble his form after eating a Rumble Ball and going Monster Point, and then the consequences of the abuse of this form leaves him in a "Dwarf/Tontatta" state.
Note that after the Time Skip, Chopper can get into any Point but Monster Point without the need of Rumble Balls
to me monster point is a forced/failed awakening (due to the rumble ball) and that's why he doesn't have that cloud "scarf" around his neck like luffy or lucci, so i think chopper will some day learn how to use it naturally and monster point would officially become his awakening
just a headcanon tho
I remember vividly that after the time skip the first time chopper used monster point he talked about how its the only point he has to use a rumble ball now and he can use it for 3 minutes. I cant find the clip right now but every time chopper comes up i hear that he only has 3 base points when I'm pretty sure he can use any one of them now freely
If I remember correctly, fruits were called like that because they had a demon inside that stayed in your heart and the reason why you died when consuming 2 is because demons fight for your body