It's really the whole Sandy/Ivy Bridge generation holding back the old machine. If it had been built with a base platform just a single generation newer, on Socket 2011-3, it would have been able to hold up so much better. Haswell/Broadwell would have given it DDR4 support, massive L3 cache, AVX2 instructions, SRT, NVMe boot, Turbo Unlock, ReBAR mod, faster clocks, way more cores, faster RAM, etc. etc.... The list goes on forever. Plus removing the Spectre/Meltdown microcode gives you back like 10 to 15% of lost IPC straight off the top. Used HP Z440 Workstations are selling like hotcakes lately, for under $100 USD over here in the states. Simply drop in a GPU and you got yourself a beast.
Anyway, I would agree the the base of comparison should be late Haswell or better Skylake cores. Though, increase in performance is also dramatic even comparing to Skylake cores ~ 2.5times /maybe more/ 1000 against 2.500, as far as I remember.
In 2019 I've upgraded an 2008 off-lease HP5850 with a Phenom II X4 B97 (~$200; 4C4T; 3.2GHz) and 8GB DDR3 (1066MHz) to a Ryzen 3 2200G ($349; 4C4T; 3.7GHz OC) and 16GB DDR4 (3000MHz). Somehow I understand your joy, since my new CPU was twice as fast and the memory twice as big. In 2018 I even published a RUclips video about that HP5850, while running VBox VMs. I still use the same VMs daily; Xubuntu 18.04 -> 23.10 for e.g emails; etc; Windows XP for music and Ubuntu 16.04 LTS now with ESM. I also still have those other VMs of Windows 7 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 :)
alexander ravioli, old intel can't run anything, workstations, need Photoshop, Autodesk ? Why you cry power consumption ? Heat you meant, using cheap Gaming card 24/7 ? WHAT YOU RUN ON THE SYSTEM ?
I'm still rocking a dual e5 2650v2 workstation with 128 gigs of ram to this day. Don't feel let down by it even now. Then again I guess I don't run the latest games, the one game I mostly play aoe2 de still runs very well on it.
Yes true! Today i got probably an ivy bridge I7 for free. It was tottaly random on the street that someone had 2 systems that I could take. And it had 4x 8gb corsair pc 1600 kit inside. That is the level of retro you can find nowadays
Sandy/Ivy Bridge and Bulldozer are the last platforms to fully natively support WindozeXP... Making them the pinnacle for Retro XP gaming builds. Neither platform supports AVX2 extensions... So that also rules out a handful of modern games, yet again making them retro. (Haswell can be made to work with XP through some tinkering, but that is a whole other discussion.)
Still using a 2013 HP Z800 workstation here with dual Xeon 6 core X5675 Westmere CPU's @3.07ghz. With hyperthreading it has 24 cores total, along with 64 gb. of DDR 3 RAM. I upgraded the GPU to an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB., and it handles pretty much everything I can throw at it on Win 10 Pro! The addition of a Samsung EVO 870 SSD for the boot drive really makes these older machines shine!😉 *EDIT:* Just a side note... the difference in GPU's alone is going to be a HUGE factor in the difference in rendering performance. If you put the RTX 4090 in your old Xeon machine, you would get much better results...
@danw1955 Why the gaming RIG old HP ? Gaming cards can never run Nvidia GPU computing 20/7 ! Cheap SLI 4090 render build, mad to use that old Z800 ! WHAT IS THE SYSTEM RUNNING ???? If you run SLI gaming cards and a render cloud for MAYA, you need better colling solutions. please never reboot HP workstations, why you need that ? Get skills please !
Awesome build. I totally agree on storage, it's time to just push it on board and forget about cables and HDDs and all that. I still have one spinning disk in my current PC, it's the last audible component in my computer. When I upgrade I'll have zero. I love the all-brown theme. Understated without being boring.
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Not that my card is that whiny anyway, but I limit my FPS to 280. Can't find anything online about corona dope helping coil whine, and I can't think of a reason why it should.
@@phillycheesetake Corona dope has high arc and corona resistance, and can sometimes shield coils enough to dampen whine. I believe some manufacturers use it to fill small air gaps inside coils. I can't at the moment recall a precise source for this knowledge; it may have been JonnyGuru(sadly shut down now) or Anandtech.
Hi, you got two wonderful, powerful machines there. I am interested in allcore clock rates and temperatures in Cinebench. I got the same Xeon processors, but two of them on a Supermicro X9DRI-LN4F+ and 8x16GB of ram. It is unfinished, I still need proper cpu coolers. Think I will go for Thermalright PS120 SE. Thank you in advance! :)
i thought that single core score in geek bench was pretty significant.. 2900 vs 606. that ipc increase is insane but im sure the ryzen was clocked higher aswell
my main system is currently an HP ml350p gen 8 with 256gb ddr3-1866 and 2* xeon 2680 v2 without HT because all the games can't use more than 16-20 threads x) and an RTX 2070 Super ;) It runs very good in all games but current ryzen outperformed my 20 or 40 threads HT ;) and via HWInfo it consumes 500W in cyberpunk ;) great machine but it needs 5 minutes to load windows due to Bios that run self test x)
Why you need backup server, why you buy old crap ? why not just do HDD in the old PC ? valid processor, for the HDD ???? Backup processes are never any demanding, any system is able to do that ! Get skills please !
Old Xeon goes to the Linux workstation, but needs an AMD or Intel graphics card. Actually those 10 cores even of 2GHz would be enough for doing some stuff and being a HDD storage server. We'll see if it suits Ubuntu 24.04
@@lucasrem actually Linux is just a trend and hype for experimenting with at home lab. You can pay for Windows server and it will last for 10 years updated.
I just upgraded from Self build reference Workstation E3-1231v3/32gb 1TB SATA, FirePro V7900 GTX1060 -> later RTX 2070s + same FirePor & W520 Thonkbrett to a used/trashed Dell 3630 with i9-9900k/128GB 2TB NVMe with Quadro P4000. I enjoy it so much how I now don't run out of RAM anymore and it uses less power. I guess mainly because I now use the internal GPU for 2 displays and don't need a second hardware GPU for my 3x2 setup. In server way... I try to retire most of my Intel 5500 CPUs and some (non blade) Intel 5600 CPU servers. They are getting replaced by 10c V3 or 18c V4 with a bit more RAM right now. Also I try to do a bit less hardware hording... going down from almost a full Datacenter Rack with 8kw to now ~4kw half rack filled.
I have to ask, why didn't you compare them with the same GPU ?. Also you must be the only person who has ever bought a single CPU Xeon 0_0. The reason most people get these is to have multiple CPU's and double the memory channels.
@robsyoutube What do you ask ? RTX 4090 ti on some old Xeon, why not ? MAYA, Photoshop, why you need a workstation ? Most cry file server here, not understanding any !
4000oyro? Okaaayyy :-)) Just 4 months of illegal worker labour or even more. Well, according to my Geekbench observations, there are 2-3times in performance gains in modern CPUs comparing to something over 3.5Ghz from 2015.
ran wild, you do that ? Waist the RTX 4080 on some render workstation ???? using it 24/7 as a Quadro card for cheap ? Need a better colling solution madly ! STOP WAISTING, GET SKILLS? u use Autodesk, Photoshop render farm on the workstation ?
@@lucasrem I am not sure we see the situation from the same point. I dunno if Victor is still in commercial video shooting business, so presumed that Nvidia were too expensive. If he is still engaged in that stuff - it will be profitable purchase.
'GET SKILLS', lol. Some people simply have enough money that they don't need to spend time economizing every bloody cent, and/or they're chasing a different goal. If this triggers you, then I assume seeing my fanless, passively-cooled Ryzen 7 system with an RTX 4000 SFF Ada 20GB card (€1700 just for the GPU) would end in apoplectics! But I got what I wanted: a completely silent ML/AI workstation that can run 30B models on GPU at under 100 watts, 24/7, without heating up my office or running out my solar-charged battery array. To each their own.
It's really the whole Sandy/Ivy Bridge generation holding back the old machine.
If it had been built with a base platform just a single generation newer, on Socket 2011-3, it would have been able to hold up so much better.
Haswell/Broadwell would have given it DDR4 support, massive L3 cache, AVX2 instructions, SRT, NVMe boot, Turbo Unlock, ReBAR mod, faster clocks, way more cores, faster RAM, etc. etc.... The list goes on forever.
Plus removing the Spectre/Meltdown microcode gives you back like 10 to 15% of lost IPC straight off the top.
Used HP Z440 Workstations are selling like hotcakes lately, for under $100 USD over here in the states.
Simply drop in a GPU and you got yourself a beast.
It's in US they are for $100, but just imagine the rip off fair in less developed countries. 😶🌫
Anyway, I would agree the the base of comparison should be late Haswell or better Skylake cores. Though, increase in performance is also dramatic even comparing to Skylake cores ~ 2.5times /maybe more/ 1000 against 2.500, as far as I remember.
Great video! That cinebench difference was insane. You got a true workhorse of a PC now
why you need games ?
240 FPS shooters, or XBOX emulator games ?
In 2019 I've upgraded an 2008 off-lease HP5850 with a Phenom II X4 B97 (~$200; 4C4T; 3.2GHz) and 8GB DDR3 (1066MHz) to a Ryzen 3 2200G ($349; 4C4T; 3.7GHz OC) and 16GB DDR4 (3000MHz). Somehow I understand your joy, since my new CPU was twice as fast and the memory twice as big.
In 2018 I even published a RUclips video about that HP5850, while running VBox VMs. I still use the same VMs daily; Xubuntu 18.04 -> 23.10 for e.g emails; etc; Windows XP for music and Ubuntu 16.04 LTS now with ESM. I also still have those other VMs of Windows 7 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 :)
Impressive results... Have you also measured power consumpion under load? I bet they are not so distant...
alexander ravioli,
old intel can't run anything, workstations, need Photoshop, Autodesk ?
Why you cry power consumption ? Heat you meant, using cheap Gaming card 24/7 ?
WHAT YOU RUN ON THE SYSTEM ?
I'm still rocking a dual e5 2650v2 workstation with 128 gigs of ram to this day. Don't feel let down by it even now. Then again I guess I don't run the latest games, the one game I mostly play aoe2 de still runs very well on it.
Nice build! 🤩
I realised something watching this video... Sandy Bridge and Bulldozer are retro now 😳
Yes true! Today i got probably an ivy bridge I7 for free. It was tottaly random on the street that someone had 2 systems that I could take. And it had 4x 8gb corsair pc 1600 kit inside. That is the level of retro you can find nowadays
Sandy/Ivy Bridge and Bulldozer are the last platforms to fully natively support WindozeXP... Making them the pinnacle for Retro XP gaming builds.
Neither platform supports AVX2 extensions... So that also rules out a handful of modern games, yet again making them retro.
(Haswell can be made to work with XP through some tinkering, but that is a whole other discussion.)
@@KomradeMikhail all Xeons on consumer boards run Xp too, why you need Xp still, what titles you need on that ????
@@lucasrem
You must be new here.
Not often I catch a video early enough for it to still be processing.
Still using a 2013 HP Z800 workstation here with dual Xeon 6 core X5675 Westmere CPU's @3.07ghz. With hyperthreading it has 24 cores total, along with 64 gb. of DDR 3 RAM. I upgraded the GPU to an Nvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB., and it handles pretty much everything I can throw at it on Win 10 Pro! The addition of a Samsung EVO 870 SSD for the boot drive really makes these older machines shine!😉 *EDIT:* Just a side note... the difference in GPU's alone is going to be a HUGE factor in the difference in rendering performance. If you put the RTX 4090 in your old Xeon machine, you would get much better results...
@danw1955
Why the gaming RIG old HP ?
Gaming cards can never run Nvidia GPU computing 20/7 ! Cheap SLI 4090 render build, mad to use that old Z800 !
WHAT IS THE SYSTEM RUNNING ????
If you run SLI gaming cards and a render cloud for MAYA, you need better colling solutions.
please never reboot HP workstations, why you need that ? Get skills please !
Can someone translate @Lucasrem‘s comment to English, please? I‘m so sorry, but I don’t understand what he is writing.
@@lucasrem What in the actual hell are you talking about?!🤔
Awesome build. I totally agree on storage, it's time to just push it on board and forget about cables and HDDs and all that. I still have one spinning disk in my current PC, it's the last audible component in my computer. When I upgrade I'll have zero.
I love the all-brown theme. Understated without being boring.
Corona dope on all the leads, or are you blessed with a lack of sensitivity to coil/regulator whine?
@@auturgicflosculator2183 Not that my card is that whiny anyway, but I limit my FPS to 280.
Can't find anything online about corona dope helping coil whine, and I can't think of a reason why it should.
@@phillycheesetake Corona dope has high arc and corona resistance, and can sometimes shield coils enough to dampen whine. I believe some manufacturers use it to fill small air gaps inside coils. I can't at the moment recall a precise source for this knowledge; it may have been JonnyGuru(sadly shut down now) or Anandtech.
Hi, you got two wonderful, powerful machines there.
I am interested in allcore clock rates and temperatures in Cinebench.
I got the same Xeon processors, but two of them on a Supermicro X9DRI-LN4F+ and 8x16GB of ram. It is unfinished, I still need proper cpu coolers. Think I will go for Thermalright PS120 SE. Thank you in advance! :)
i thought that single core score in geek bench was pretty significant.. 2900 vs 606. that ipc increase is insane but im sure the ryzen was clocked higher aswell
Some times is the memory of a config in Bios
my main system is currently an HP ml350p gen 8 with 256gb ddr3-1866 and 2* xeon 2680 v2 without HT because all the games can't use more than 16-20 threads x) and an RTX 2070 Super ;)
It runs very good in all games but current ryzen outperformed my 20 or 40 threads HT ;) and via HWInfo it consumes 500W in cyberpunk ;) great machine but it needs 5 minutes to load windows due to Bios that run self test x)
Holy crap, mate, the AMD CHEWED through that Benchmark!
2:20 Both of those would make SUPER AWESOME bare metal game servers.
Very interesting, thx!
I just bought a xeon 2697 v2 to build a backup server.... I think it's still a more than valid processor for this purpose....
Why you need backup server, why you buy old crap ?
why not just do HDD in the old PC ?
valid processor, for the HDD ????
Backup processes are never any demanding, any system is able to do that ! Get skills please !
i love to hear about the difference in power consumption!
Old Xeon goes to the Linux workstation, but needs an AMD or Intel graphics card. Actually those 10 cores even of 2GHz would be enough for doing some stuff and being a HDD storage server. We'll see if it suits Ubuntu 24.04
Why you need UNIX ?
what you run on the systems ? Why not use HDD in the router if you need to store files ?
10 cores ???
@@lucasrem actually Linux is just a trend and hype for experimenting with at home lab. You can pay for Windows server and it will last for 10 years updated.
good video
I just upgraded from Self build reference Workstation E3-1231v3/32gb 1TB SATA, FirePro V7900 GTX1060 -> later RTX 2070s + same FirePor & W520 Thonkbrett to a used/trashed Dell 3630 with i9-9900k/128GB 2TB NVMe with Quadro P4000. I enjoy it so much how I now don't run out of RAM anymore and it uses less power. I guess mainly because I now use the internal GPU for 2 displays and don't need a second hardware GPU for my 3x2 setup.
In server way... I try to retire most of my Intel 5500 CPUs and some (non blade) Intel 5600 CPU servers. They are getting replaced by 10c V3 or 18c V4 with a bit more RAM right now. Also I try to do a bit less hardware hording... going down from almost a full Datacenter Rack with 8kw to now ~4kw half rack filled.
maybe you could turn the older xeon into a truenas box?
Geekbench6/singlecore Ryzen 7950X ~ 3000 i7-7700k ~ 1600 i9-13900K ~3000 //so doubled per core.
sheeeeit
Cinebench R24 is now out.
Doesn't run on the Xeon ☺️
Try RTX 4090 ti on old Xeons !
Cinebench score, who is into rendering cloud builds here ? MAYO on RTX 4090 ti ????
@@victorbart What Xeon u use, what is it you try to do here ?
I have to ask, why didn't you compare them with the same GPU ?.
Also you must be the only person who has ever bought a single CPU Xeon 0_0. The reason most people get these is to have multiple CPU's and double the memory channels.
Seemed to me to be a 10-year-system-progress comparison not a CPU/MB comparison. Workstation-2023 versus Workstation-2013 results...
i have a single xeon on my server because it supports ecc
@robsyoutube
What do you ask ?
RTX 4090 ti on some old Xeon, why not ?
MAYA, Photoshop, why you need a workstation ? Most cry file server here, not understanding any !
4000oyro? Okaaayyy :-)) Just 4 months of illegal worker labour or even more. Well, according to my Geekbench observations, there are 2-3times in performance gains in modern CPUs comparing to something over 3.5Ghz from 2015.
tech jesus
YEa, Nvidia 4080 is kinda showing off and wasting money 😞
ran wild, you do that ?
Waist the RTX 4080 on some render workstation ????
using it 24/7 as a Quadro card for cheap ?
Need a better colling solution madly !
STOP WAISTING, GET SKILLS?
u use Autodesk, Photoshop render farm on the workstation ?
@@lucasrem I am not sure we see the situation from the same point. I dunno if Victor is still in commercial video shooting business, so presumed that Nvidia were too expensive. If he is still engaged in that stuff - it will be profitable purchase.
'GET SKILLS', lol. Some people simply have enough money that they don't need to spend time economizing every bloody cent, and/or they're chasing a different goal. If this triggers you, then I assume seeing my fanless, passively-cooled Ryzen 7 system with an RTX 4000 SFF Ada 20GB card (€1700 just for the GPU) would end in apoplectics! But I got what I wanted: a completely silent ML/AI workstation that can run 30B models on GPU at under 100 watts, 24/7, without heating up my office or running out my solar-charged battery array. To each their own.