So im guessing you could just use a dehu relay from the trolmaster to control a 2 pole contactor and use the time clock to break that signal so that it only activates after lights out?
the idea is great but not cost efficiency but helps on small grows. Question how do you calculate the Tonnage of the room for de-humidification taking in consideration x amount of plants.
Yer right, it’s not about saving energy. It is about growing mold free, higher Terps, better looking Weed. The Lights are the Load not the water….. difficult to explain in reply here, Science, my IG has much more
When the lights are on the AC is and it’s doing more Dehu work than you know…. That’s why when the lights go out and the AC stops that the dreaded out of control Humidity begins. No dehumidifier installed has ever been large enough, hence the struggle
Hello steve i have a question. If I have two flower rooms, one running from 0 to 12 hours and the other from 12 to 0 hours, can I use one AC unit in each room and place the outdoor unit of Room 1 in Room 2 and vice versa? Would this allow the heat to transfer between the rooms with some level of dissipation? Would a setup like this work ?
@@senna78ks no each space needs its own capable system… Like how our planets Atmosphere is not shared with another. The problem is not cooling, but it’s D humidification, and when the lights are out it doesn’t matter that you don’t need cooling you still need dehumidification
Thanks Steve!! Really appreciate you sharing so much of your expert knowledge. Did you ever find a way to integrate this hack into the trolmaster? If not have you found a preferred controller?
So if im getting this right, as temperature gets colder AC gets better at removing moisture from the air?. Ive noticed its the exact opposite with dehumidifiers.
The AC doesn’t lose capacity at low indoor temps because the Outdoor side is outside with head pressure control… but the Dehu in a cool space loses capacity, true, yer correct
So If I have a 70pint ideal air 680w dehum, I can essentially swap it for a 600w heater and turn that bad boy on at night with less energy and the same result?
So what is happening during lights on. A mini split is not going to dehumidify a room by itself enough to keep up .Sealed room with lights on defiantly will climb over 80% rh.
It will if it’s not undersized. Reheat works anytime you need dehumidification but yer going to have to keep in mind this is only a hack on a hack.... mini splits are one of the biggest screwings this industry has taken along with dehumidifiers in a box, CO2 generators and duct sock 🤮🍻
@@gmurf5599 What lives on a pitri dish incubating? TOTAL YEAST AND MOLD COUNT! Absorbing in surfaces with porosity! ASPERGILLUS FUMIGATUS! If passing yer sale test be somethin ya wish, NO REMEDIATION! Then stop using socks you stupid bi, HOW WOULD YOU EVEN CLEAN THAT? YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT GET SOMETHING YOU CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN *Nautical Recorder Noises.*
Bud this for people that struggle, and want to do more with what they have…. Dehus are underpowered space heaters at the end of day, there’s so science to what you do in a grow room…. This is basic info. Take care
@@cannabismechanicalwouldn’t a space heater that also dehumidifies be better for this than a heater only? At the end of the day 1w=3.41 btu of heat, and with one option you get free dehumidification too.
I think I have worked out why people struggle with the principle here, and it’s because they are coming from small systems where they only need a small dehumidifier and likely not running sealed spaces. The analogy that the standard dehu is a poor space heater is surely not correct. I’m not hating, I’m a big fan of yours and have integrated reheat to kick in via a dsh unit when the lights go out, works a treat, but the analogy - my 1000w heater puts out 3500 btu. Yet, my aloriar hdi90 ( horrible thing ) puts out 6700 btu at 850w. But yeah, since I used this reheat hack with the hydro x pro, 1 ton mini split, 3kw heater on dsh with contractor set to night time only and it’s pretty stable. Have a couple of small dehus in there and they barely ever come on. If they do it’s when lights on for a short period..
You’re gonna have to take the lead on some of this bud I can’t hold your hand through everything I’ve given you a lot of information here rewatch the video and pay attention to the actual information I provided you because it doesn’t have anything to do with auto function, you’re in control not the unit. Good luck and keep on learning
@@cannabismechanical thank you. I'm not having issues I am just trying to further educate myself. I will watch the video again. But if I am just trying to maintain the same room temp lights on/off I guess this is going over my head because that is pretty simple but then again I am not a professional HVAC tech. Appreciate your time sir
@@cannabismechanical I do not completely understand the "hack" of the mini split but the concept of what is going on I do and I appreciate the video/ knowledge and your time.
So if I have 2 flower rooms, one from 0hrs-12hrs and other 12hrs-0hrs, I can put 1Ac in each one, and the outdoor unit of room 1 placed in room 2 and vice versa. And it would be moving heat over and over with a % in disipation. So the outdoor unit will be pushing heat in the dark room, and the indoor unit will be taking it from the ON room... have you tried something like this? You could adapt a 6ton heat pump too...
hey! Would I run the minisplit in its normal cooling Mode and it would pull enough humidity out of the air just like that or do I have to run it on its dehumidification mode from time to time?
If dehumidifiers were actually worth a shit, we would not be here. You can do whatever you want I teach people how to do things that work better than the what they are doing, take it or leave it cuz it’s free
Jason, Maybe. You can experiment with that scheme. Buy a Temperature/ Humidity data logger. I recommend Lascar USB stick to find out. Without the details, I think a dehumidifier made by a reputable company would cost less to operating then a electric heater which is very electrically inefficient.
Why would you use an electric heater when you can use an electric dehumidifier to get both heat AND dehumidification. And who the hell has the extra power for a 5 kilowatt heater in their small grow lol
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Mini split facility , “ I suggest you get some therapy for that”. Lol
So im guessing you could just use a dehu relay from the trolmaster to control a 2 pole contactor and use the time clock to break that signal so that it only activates after lights out?
That’s exactly what I’d start with
@@cannabismechanical and not run the lights with the paragon also?
@@billborglund2238 if you were to do this with Trol you could use it as the timer
the idea is great but not cost efficiency but helps on small grows. Question how do you calculate the Tonnage of the room for de-humidification taking in consideration x amount of plants.
Yer right, it’s not about saving energy. It is about growing mold free, higher Terps, better looking Weed.
The Lights are the Load not the water….. difficult to explain in reply here, Science, my IG has much more
Totally understandable and logical but what about when you need dehumidification during lights on ?
When the lights are on the AC is and it’s doing more Dehu work than you know…. That’s why when the lights go out and the AC stops that the dreaded out of control Humidity begins. No dehumidifier installed has ever been large enough, hence the struggle
I’d love to see the pulse Data showing the reheat system vs a dehum setup at lights out. Maybe you already have that footage.
The data would show that the Dehumidifier room is inferior to the Reheat room,
Hello steve i have a question.
If I have two flower rooms, one running from 0 to 12 hours and the other from 12 to 0 hours, can I use one AC unit in each room and place the outdoor unit of Room 1 in Room 2 and vice versa? Would this allow the heat to transfer between the rooms with some level of dissipation? Would a setup like this work ?
@@senna78ks no each space needs its own capable system… Like how our planets Atmosphere is not shared with another. The problem is not cooling, but it’s D humidification, and when the lights are out it doesn’t matter that you don’t need cooling you still need dehumidification
Thanks for the info 🙏🏼
Thanks Steve!! Really appreciate you sharing so much of your expert knowledge. Did you ever find a way to integrate this hack into the trolmaster? If not have you found a preferred controller?
You can do it with TM if you use an accessory device controller that controls a Contactor that powers the heater… not real complicated
We love you! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Will do!
So add a heater during lights off? What about a mini-split that can do heatind during lights off and AC during lights on?
Watch the video again. You need COOLING first to remove water, then you must reheat that air
So if im getting this right, as temperature gets colder AC gets better at removing moisture from the air?. Ive noticed its the exact opposite with dehumidifiers.
The AC doesn’t lose capacity at low indoor temps because the Outdoor side is outside with head pressure control… but the Dehu in a cool space loses capacity, true, yer correct
Is there any specific mini splits to buy? Or should we stay away from them and just get commercial units?
No minis for grows. What is called residential/light commercial is appropriate.
So If I have a 70pint ideal air 680w dehum, I can essentially swap it for a 600w heater and turn that bad boy on at night with less energy and the same result?
You have to size the heat to the AC, watch again
So what is happening during lights on. A mini split is not going to dehumidify a room by itself enough to keep up .Sealed room with lights on defiantly will climb over 80% rh.
It will if it’s not undersized. Reheat works anytime you need dehumidification but yer going to have to keep in mind this is only a hack on a hack.... mini splits are one of the biggest screwings this industry has taken along with dehumidifiers in a box, CO2 generators and duct sock 🤮🍻
What's wrong with duct socks?
@@randomguy7503 socks get wet. Same reason to keep wood out of rooms. Anything absorbent will…
@@gmurf5599 What lives on a pitri dish incubating?
TOTAL YEAST AND MOLD COUNT!
Absorbing in surfaces with porosity!
ASPERGILLUS FUMIGATUS!
If passing yer sale test be somethin ya wish,
NO REMEDIATION!
Then stop using socks you stupid bi,
HOW WOULD YOU EVEN CLEAN THAT?
YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT
YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT
YOU CAN'T CLEAN THAT
GET SOMETHING YOU CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
*Nautical Recorder Noises.*
my dehus dont run off of 20+ amps though. also, how do you dehumidify during lights on?
Bud this for people that struggle, and want to do more with what they have…. Dehus are underpowered space heaters at the end of day, there’s so science to what you do in a grow room…. This is basic info. Take care
@@cannabismechanicalwouldn’t a space heater that also dehumidifies be better for this than a heater only? At the end of the day 1w=3.41 btu of heat, and with one option you get free dehumidification too.
@@ConnorHersch you didn’t pay attention at all go back to the beginning and watch the video and sit on your hands
I think I have worked out why people struggle with the principle here, and it’s because they are coming from small systems where they only need a small dehumidifier and likely not running sealed spaces. The analogy that the standard dehu is a poor space heater is surely not correct. I’m not hating, I’m a big fan of yours and have integrated reheat to kick in via a dsh unit when the lights go out, works a treat, but the analogy - my 1000w heater puts out 3500 btu. Yet, my aloriar hdi90 ( horrible thing ) puts out 6700 btu at 850w. But yeah, since I used this reheat hack with the hydro x pro, 1 ton mini split, 3kw heater on dsh with contractor set to night time only and it’s pretty stable. Have a couple of small dehus in there and they barely ever come on. If they do it’s when lights on for a short period..
Do you know how hard I launched some shit off my desk when you just busted out the Menards special I swear to god.
Believe me when I saw the thing for 120 in December I picked it up for this.
What about the auto function of said splits where it's going to heat mode as lights turn off?
You’re gonna have to take the lead on some of this bud I can’t hold your hand through everything I’ve given you a lot of information here rewatch the video and pay attention to the actual information I provided you because it doesn’t have anything to do with auto function, you’re in control not the unit. Good luck and keep on learning
@@cannabismechanical thank you. I'm not having issues I am just trying to further educate myself. I will watch the video again. But if I am just trying to maintain the same room temp lights on/off I guess this is going over my head because that is pretty simple but then again I am not a professional HVAC tech. Appreciate your time sir
@@sg255010 doing any good?? Checking in ya
@@cannabismechanical I do not completely understand the "hack" of the mini split but the concept of what is going on I do and I appreciate the video/ knowledge and your time.
So if I have 2 flower rooms, one from 0hrs-12hrs and other 12hrs-0hrs, I can put 1Ac in each one, and the outdoor unit of room 1 placed in room 2 and vice versa. And it would be moving heat over and over with a % in disipation.
So the outdoor unit will be pushing heat in the dark room, and the indoor unit will be taking it from the ON room... have you tried something like this?
You could adapt a 6ton heat pump too...
Come to Insta Gram a lot more cannabis talk there. And don’t buy 6 ton oversized mini splits next time
Would this work with a NG wall heater possibly?
The Heat can come from any source
hey! Would I run the minisplit in its normal cooling Mode and it would pull enough humidity out of the air just like that or do I have to run it on its dehumidification mode from time to time?
Dehu mode is essentially “over cooling” so if I was trying I would try everything
Wouldn’t it make sense to just run the dehu when lights are off and shut it down when lights are on?
If dehumidifiers were actually worth a shit, we would not be here.
You can do whatever you want I teach people how to do things that work better than the what they are doing, take it or leave it cuz it’s free
Jason, Maybe. You can experiment with that scheme. Buy a Temperature/ Humidity data logger. I recommend Lascar USB stick to find out. Without the details, I think a dehumidifier made by a reputable company would cost less to operating then a electric heater which is very electrically inefficient.
what is that sheet called
Engineering Data??
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Thanks!
Why would you use an electric heater when you can use an electric dehumidifier to get both heat AND dehumidification. And who the hell has the extra power for a 5 kilowatt heater in their small grow lol
Bud, there’s stuff you don’t understand yet, keep learning!!
@@cannabismechanical I understand the benefits of hot gas reheat but electric reheat is a waste of money for home growers
@@ConnorHerschthen look the other way, I don’t care about Your opinion
One is dry bulb and the wet bulb is saturated temp.
genius.