Birmingham/west midlands Crossrail episode will be interesting, since that's the one place that dedicated high speed lines definitely are coming in the near future. A Tees Valley metro centred on Middlesbrough (for which there was a semi-serious proposal at one point) would be interesting, although maybe those proposals are good enough anyway idk. Wonder what could be done with local services around south Hampshire? You have two pretty much equal size centres of gravity in Southampton and Portsmouth. Could end up with more of a grid rather than an S-bahn type thing. The line between the two is too wiggly and could be straightened out by bypassing some stations and allowing fast trains to overtake slow ones? (e.g. around Netley, Hamble, Burlesdon)
Not Just Bikes did a very good video on Driverless Cars recently, which identified a number of issues I had never considered before. Very interesting topic.
Victoria is the right answer, but I am biased... Sheffield is the city centre for the region, it makes sense to build future local transport towards a hub there. It especially makes sense when you think in terms of hills and local geography. You wouldn't suggest a hub station between manchester and liverpool...
if you want photos of exeter for an exeter video I'd be more than happy to take some the conflict between trains from exeter-Salisbury and the Exmouth branch (which should have been re-extended to the rest of east Devon 10 years ago) is very annoying hope there's a good solution to be found for that.
Missed this live (on holiday alas, what suffering!), but I have read the original article so was excited to watch a fuller explanation. Would it not be worth four tracking Dore & Totely to Meadowhall? If you’re doing all that work at Cutlers Gate, you could surely justify doing that? Either for allowing a limited regional service through Midland, or to increase capacity on that core? I guess that’s maybe a thing down the line, but I’d have thought you have to do a lot of those civils the first time or you’re ripping down lots of the new construction around there
It's funny really, because Victoria was a real hub for Sheffield until it closed...just rejuvenation needed. Sheff centre doesn't really work without the original station...
Wardsley Bridge would benefit from a Wembley style direct walking thoroughfare to the station. I remember from my days at Portsmouth Goldsmiths Avenue would get blocked everytime there was a match on. Pleasant to see the crowds, but also shows stadiums require dedicated pedestrian infrastructure!
yep - they really do require wide, car free direct avenues, or at least for roads to be closed to facilitate this. benefit of making it public is that you can use that corridor as a spine for traffic-free living, shopping, learning, etc
I assume Gareth ending in Hope was mainly because of the heavy freight just up the line, but it did seem a slightly odd place to end to me. That being said I think these are not fully fleshed out ideas.
at 38:30 you talk about the value of having regularly spaced stations, and as a Londoner I hadn't really appreciated how easy it actually is to judge how long my tube journey is by counting the stops, but it really makes a difference, if all your stops are 2 minutes apart (or within a decent margin of error of that) then you know a 5 stop journey will take pretty much 10 minutes.
why no brstol-plymouth high speed line. it kinda kills souhwest m-midlands-north old cross copuntry services. might force bristol to keep it airport rinning.
Surely the ONLY possible sensible Sheffield hub station is Meadowhall. Assuming that HS will get to Sheffield, the M1 corridor is the only way to get to Sheffield and have sufficient space for a station. I would also expect that this area would see a lot of residential and commercial development (it is crying out for it too) as a result.
i think this over removes regional services, stuff like Sheffield - Birmingham will still be needed, and forcing people to change at the edge of the cities is a mistake i think. HSUK is the perfect opportunity to upgrade our regional services including stuff like Norwich - Sheffield
@@GarethDennisTV I'm using hsuk as more of a generic term here. but i do still think you need the regional connectivity for the intermediate places. you wouldn't use the brum-sheff train for us full length, but you might use it for say Brum-Burton, or Litchfield - Derby
@justwobert9850 yes that's certainly a balance to be got, I guess in one form of this plan you'd change at Chesterfield onto a decent East Midlands suburban service
@@GarethDennisTV That's an option. I do still think you keep the regional trains, and you could probably get away with them without hurting capacity by much with the use of smart timetableing, which as someone who's normally using firstbus to get arround, is a bit of a unknown concept
ifyou either have alot of bagge or are in a ralatively large group changg trains is hard and should be p look at to see where the longer distace reginal srvices go. where to passenger acually origanate befor dtermining what probably no reginal servuce remain as local expreeses.
first uou imporve sheffield supertram system the you do a reginal rail system because you will probablt have to build new inferstucutre or enlarge station for regional rail that probably temporarly inturpt existing sevices because it is much cheaper to do it that way.
doncaster service shouldend in norther and/or western lomits of urbansied docaster not its centerakl main line station and probably abranch to doncaster race course for the massive ceowds that sports c site creates.
Well done on your book lanuch love form the peoples Republic of South Yorkshire
Personally my favourite video off yours yet
I'd love an Exeter/Bristol episode
Birmingham/west midlands Crossrail episode will be interesting, since that's the one place that dedicated high speed lines definitely are coming in the near future.
A Tees Valley metro centred on Middlesbrough (for which there was a semi-serious proposal at one point) would be interesting, although maybe those proposals are good enough anyway idk.
Wonder what could be done with local services around south Hampshire? You have two pretty much equal size centres of gravity in Southampton and Portsmouth. Could end up with more of a grid rather than an S-bahn type thing. The line between the two is too wiggly and could be straightened out by bypassing some stations and allowing fast trains to overtake slow ones? (e.g. around Netley, Hamble, Burlesdon)
Not Just Bikes did a very good video on Driverless Cars recently, which identified a number of issues I had never considered before. Very interesting topic.
I wish i coukd off aarch this live and give more information as this is one off my special interest
Great work, Gareth. Well conceived and very clean cartography / typography.
Victoria is the right answer, but I am biased...
Sheffield is the city centre for the region, it makes sense to build future local transport towards a hub there. It especially makes sense when you think in terms of hills and local geography.
You wouldn't suggest a hub station between manchester and liverpool...
A bit mad not to have a Hillsborough station
I love this, but it also makes me sad to know it'll probs never happen
I actually think you keep the wakefield line going but you put a Merseyrail meets northen situation at south elmsall
I actually think doncaster should have the depo with the skill its owns
if you want photos of exeter for an exeter video I'd be more than happy to take some
the conflict between trains from exeter-Salisbury and the Exmouth branch (which should have been re-extended to the rest of east Devon 10 years ago) is very annoying hope there's a good solution to be found for that.
Be great if you could get some finer grained population density maps.
West Sheffield is very dense but underserved
Heart of the city is a interesting project you shoukd look at tbh
Great video Gareth. I'd love to see a similar type of analysis of the West Yorkshire network.
oh it's definitely coming
Missed this live (on holiday alas, what suffering!), but I have read the original article so was excited to watch a fuller explanation.
Would it not be worth four tracking Dore & Totely to Meadowhall? If you’re doing all that work at Cutlers Gate, you could surely justify doing that? Either for allowing a limited regional service through Midland, or to increase capacity on that core? I guess that’s maybe a thing down the line, but I’d have thought you have to do a lot of those civils the first time or you’re ripping down lots of the new construction around there
It's funny really, because Victoria was a real hub for Sheffield until it closed...just rejuvenation needed. Sheff centre doesn't really work without the original station...
Wardsley Bridge would benefit from a Wembley style direct walking thoroughfare to the station. I remember from my days at Portsmouth Goldsmiths Avenue would get blocked everytime there was a match on. Pleasant to see the crowds, but also shows stadiums require dedicated pedestrian infrastructure!
yep - they really do require wide, car free direct avenues, or at least for roads to be closed to facilitate this. benefit of making it public is that you can use that corridor as a spine for traffic-free living, shopping, learning, etc
It's funny really, because Victoria was a real hub until it closed...just rejuvenation
It would be very interesting to see a "no hs" version, since that's way more likely to actually happen
No damnit, we *will* have our dream railway paradise! (In 2070)
@@PootisHasBeenEngaged 2170 more like.
Well Gareth said the map was his basically dream british railway system.
it isn't really possible - the point is that this is what HS2 unlocks. without it we get nothing.
@@PootisHasBeenEngagedby which you mean by 2070 we'll finally have the railways we should have had in 1970?
This is great, but i dont really think it's serving Sheffield itself well... It's great for South Yorkshire as a wider authority.
i think you'd keep most of the existing supertram along side it, and then probably also add more to it
But the supertram really doesn't serve Sheffield well either 😂
Any scope for the Valley services instead of ending at Hope to start back at Buxton, a major town with very limited connectivity?
I assume Gareth ending in Hope was mainly because of the heavy freight just up the line, but it did seem a slightly odd place to end to me. That being said I think these are not fully fleshed out ideas.
at 38:30 you talk about the value of having regularly spaced stations, and as a Londoner I hadn't really appreciated how easy it actually is to judge how long my tube journey is by counting the stops, but it really makes a difference, if all your stops are 2 minutes apart (or within a decent margin of error of that) then you know a 5 stop journey will take pretty much 10 minutes.
I look forward to Exeter and Bristol/Bath/(West of England Combined Authority) and others
also in a s future step their should be at leat commuter trains on the chesterfield - rotherham dsheffield avoiding line.
als utltanately the stocksbridge line should loop back onto thr pennistone brach si you have les line ends and make suburb to suburb travel easier.
why no brstol-plymouth high speed line. it kinda kills souhwest m-midlands-north old cross copuntry services. might force bristol to keep it airport rinning.
no hsr to ferry ports on either coasts.
Thorne and Scunthorpe need regular trains into doncaster they are currently only once an hour
@@marybradley7791 hard agree
Surely the ONLY possible sensible Sheffield hub station is Meadowhall. Assuming that HS will get to Sheffield, the M1 corridor is the only way to get to Sheffield and have sufficient space for a station. I would also expect that this area would see a lot of residential and commercial development (it is crying out for it too) as a result.
in a future upgrade of the stocksbride line should be rerouted to direcetly serve the sheffield wednesday stadium and the other nearby stadium.
they should havelandbanked land fronm the old sheffield city airport for a station future hsr station much closser to centeral sheffield.
i think this over removes regional services, stuff like Sheffield - Birmingham will still be needed, and forcing people to change at the edge of the cities is a mistake i think. HSUK is the perfect opportunity to upgrade our regional services including stuff like Norwich - Sheffield
@@justwobert9850 HSUK is a junk proposal that's operationally illiterate
And you don't need regional Sheffield-Brum when you've got HS2 doing the same thing at four times the frequency/twice the speed.
@@GarethDennisTV I'm using hsuk as more of a generic term here. but i do still think you need the regional connectivity for the intermediate places. you wouldn't use the brum-sheff train for us full length, but you might use it for say Brum-Burton, or Litchfield - Derby
@justwobert9850 yes that's certainly a balance to be got, I guess in one form of this plan you'd change at Chesterfield onto a decent East Midlands suburban service
@@GarethDennisTV That's an option. I do still think you keep the regional trains, and you could probably get away with them without hurting capacity by much with the use of smart timetableing, which as someone who's normally using firstbus to get arround, is a bit of a unknown concept
ifyou either have alot of bagge or are in a ralatively large group changg trains is hard and should be p look at to see where the longer distace reginal srvices go. where to passenger acually origanate befor dtermining what probably no reginal servuce remain as local expreeses.
first uou imporve sheffield supertram system the you do a reginal rail system because you will probablt have to build new inferstucutre or enlarge station for regional rail that probably temporarly inturpt existing sevices because it is much cheaper to do it that way.
how about sheield tpoo the s beaches seasonal trains.
doncaster service shouldend in norther and/or western lomits of urbansied docaster not its centerakl main line station and probably abranch to doncaster race course for the massive ceowds that sports c site creates.
you have to miantain cheaper regional services t for those who n can't afford hsr prices.