True Detective vs. Se7en - Creating Light Amongst The Dark

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Комментарии • 2,2 тыс.

  • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
    @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +1873

    True Detective and Se7en are two of my all-time favorite things to watch. I've seen both many, many times, and I always love the last moments where we get to see the characters change, ever so slightly. Hope you enjoy the video, what movie or show I do in a future video?!

    • @JuliaSilva-og6pp
      @JuliaSilva-og6pp 7 лет назад +27

      Do something by Charlie Kaufman.

    • @razeensamsodien5633
      @razeensamsodien5633 7 лет назад +7

      Julia Silva YES!!! Mainly, Synecdoche, New York

    • @715creeks
      @715creeks 7 лет назад +10

      Lessons from the Screenplay I just rewatched True Detective last night and thought to myself that I would like to see David Fincher tackle Season 3! Crazy that you made this video after I had this thought last night. Haven't watched Season 2 yet

    • @iv0rysh0es39
      @iv0rysh0es39 7 лет назад +31

      Lessons from the Screenplay I'd love to see some analysis on Prisoners, La La Land, The Prestige, No Country for Old Men, Drive.

    • @BreakingBanter
      @BreakingBanter 7 лет назад +7

      True Detective is the fucking bomb so thanks so much for this! Would dig a video on Westworld or Creed. Or just some blockbuster that stacks it's stakes really well. So many new blockbusters just have these massive, unearned finales and I'd dig seeing you break down how the ones that do it well pull it off.

  • @BreakingBanter
    @BreakingBanter 7 лет назад +4148

    Rust Cohle is one of the greatest characters ever written, hands down.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +524

      plus with that performance...oh man.

    • @BreakingBanter
      @BreakingBanter 7 лет назад +258

      That was the most tense Emmy's ceremony I've ever watched. Bryan Cranston V Matthew McConaughey... wow.
      I'm also still convinced that episode 5 of this show is one of the best written hours of anything I've ever seen. Rust's interrogation of the armed robbery guy is just perfection.

    • @iv0rysh0es39
      @iv0rysh0es39 7 лет назад +40

      Breaking Banter Rust Cohle vs Heisenberg

    • @notmynameanymore71
      @notmynameanymore71 7 лет назад +82

      If it had been anything other than Breaking Bad's final season I'm convinced McConaughey would have won. Like if there was going to be a season six it would have been a shoo-in.
      Which is lame because Cranston had already won for the role three times. But whatever!

    • @ColeyBama12
      @ColeyBama12 7 лет назад +5

      Which book?

  • @filmosophy101
    @filmosophy101 7 лет назад +524

    I choked up a little when Rust said the line "if you ask me the light's winning". It's easy to fall into a nihilistic view of the world like he did and his struggle to challenge that view was hard but satisfying to watch.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +60

      I love that he says it, and I love the way he says it. I find it to be very powerful.

    • @smoss9813
      @smoss9813 4 года назад +9

      Alan Moore wrote something very similar

  • @martasalja6696
    @martasalja6696 6 лет назад +1698

    "In order to feel like your child was spared the burden of existence, one has to believe that existence is a burden." Said so simply, yet so masterfully.

    • @jakovmysteriofan
      @jakovmysteriofan 5 лет назад +26

      What's the most you ever lost on a coin toss?

    • @harrisp584
      @harrisp584 5 лет назад +9

      "how could you say something so controversial, yet so brave"

    • @johnmonk9167
      @johnmonk9167 4 года назад +5

      Which also means murder would be a mercy.

    • @ahabduennschitz7670
      @ahabduennschitz7670 3 года назад +12

      "Aaww man, I shot Marvin in the Face"

    • @martasalja6696
      @martasalja6696 3 года назад

      @@jakovmysteriofan don't know, couldn't say

  • @tidypog3272
    @tidypog3272 4 года назад +351

    People always forget Marty. He's at least half of Cole.
    The man who can't say yes and the man who is unable to say no

  • @jofall91
    @jofall91 5 лет назад +477

    “Every time I think you hit the ceiling, you just keep raising the bar. You are like the Michael Jordan of being a son of a bitch.” God that line always kills me. 😂

  • @SNOWSOS
    @SNOWSOS 7 лет назад +343

    Now I want to re-watch both.

  • @majajajajajaty
    @majajajajajaty 7 лет назад +747

    love seeing the difference between the original script and what eventually made it to screen

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +302

      Yeah, there were a lot of interesting changes. I always find that fascinating too.

    • @pascalcosta2614
      @pascalcosta2614 7 лет назад +52

      where do you find all the original screenplays? esp. drafts for this case

  • @CrypticcYT
    @CrypticcYT 7 лет назад +3589

    Okay, now do The Human Centipede vs. Happy Feet.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +634

      lol. (No.)

    • @youngsmitty347
      @youngsmitty347 7 лет назад +128

      Crypticc Oh, I get it! Because of the anti-religious meaning behind both films. Man, that would make for an interesting video.

    • @sewerface
      @sewerface 7 лет назад +44

      There's nowhere else to go from here.

    • @Carcosahead
      @Carcosahead 7 лет назад +14

      Star Wars vs Star Trek

    • @ikra7749
      @ikra7749 7 лет назад +20

      Godzilla vs. Monsters versus Aliens

  • @MichaelSveistrup
    @MichaelSveistrup 7 лет назад +948

    Have no one seemed to notice that the video is 17 minutes 7 seconds? As stated in the video, True Detective takes place over 17 years and Se7en takes place over 7 days. Nice little Easter egg Michael ;)

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +295

      :O totally intentional... (nice find, clever 😜)

    • @morty1504
      @morty1504 5 лет назад +63

      It takes 17 minutes and 8 second for me :)

    • @bb2fiddler
      @bb2fiddler 5 лет назад +14

      @@morty1504 minus 1 second for typewriter sounds in the beginning

    • @ohcessiliaa06
      @ohcessiliaa06 5 лет назад +20

      @@bb2fiddler no that's just youtube. All of the videos has atleast 1 second added for some reason

  • @jon-umber
    @jon-umber 6 лет назад +600

    True Detective season one was one of the best pieces of television I've ever seen. Great video, thanks!

    • @MichaelTPaulo
      @MichaelTPaulo 4 года назад +2

      Greatjon Umber
      You haven’t seen Mr Robot

    • @simon709
      @simon709 3 года назад +16

      @@MichaelTPaulo wow, comparing Mr. Robot to True Detective (S1) is like comparing Batman&Robin to the Dark Knight

    • @MichaelTPaulo
      @MichaelTPaulo 3 года назад

      @@simon709 really? how??

    • @simon709
      @simon709 3 года назад +7

      @@MichaelTPaulo Mr. Robot is shit?

    • @joeychill4364
      @joeychill4364 3 года назад

      Don’t forget the music.

  • @LikeStoriesofOld
    @LikeStoriesofOld 7 лет назад +836

    _"To realize that all your life - you know, all your love, all your hate, all your memories, all your pain - it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream, a dream that you had inside a locked room, a dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams, there's a monster at the end of it."_ - True Detective might just be my favorite tv show, awesome video once again Michael! I've been toying around with a video on True Detective myself and this was really inspiring, thanks!

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +41

      Such a good quote. Such a good show. Thanks! If you end up doing one I'll be excited to see it!

    • @RalphLindsen
      @RalphLindsen 7 лет назад +5

      Will you ever do an episode about season two of true detective? How it went wrong? Often you can learn even better lessons from failure, and the genius of s01 makes the downfall that more interesting.

    • @yashin99
      @yashin99 7 лет назад +7

      Like Stories of Old
      Your videos are godly, so it would be a mind trip to watch your take on True Detective

    • @scottbain623
      @scottbain623 6 лет назад +6

      I don't personally think it went wrong, it was just a very different beast than the first season.

    • @jimjam7928
      @jimjam7928 5 лет назад +1

      @@scottbain623 I actually really liked it, but it could have been so much better. The story was absolutely packed with characters and plots with little breathing space, and the writing was clearly rushed through development.

  • @Kishan_Baijnath
    @Kishan_Baijnath 7 лет назад +515

    As long as there's Lessons from the Screenplay, the light will be winning.

  • @NexSicarius
    @NexSicarius 7 лет назад +82

    Damn, the final scene of True Detective bring me to silent tears, every time. The massive shift in Rust's perspective makes me feel like there is still some hope for this world.

  • @LadyAstarionAncunin
    @LadyAstarionAncunin Год назад +26

    "Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account" is one of my favorite lines in anything. I think it's because it's something I may have thought at one point, given how people try to change who/how you are, even when who/how you are poses them no threat and their only real problem is their discomfort with you not being just like them.

  • @professionalname5298
    @professionalname5298 5 лет назад +219

    “Well given how long it’s taken to reconcile my nature Marty, I can’t figure I’d forgo it on your account” someone give Nic Pizzolato some writing awards please

    • @fhaf33z
      @fhaf33z 3 года назад

      You know he plagiarized a book right? Got away with it too.

    • @professionalname5298
      @professionalname5298 3 года назад +8

      @@fhaf33z I have never heard of that, do you have any sources?

    • @pedetefuerte
      @pedetefuerte 3 года назад

      @@fhaf33z what book?

    • @jegangunnithan4565
      @jegangunnithan4565 3 года назад +3

      @@pedetefuerte he didn't plagiarise the book but rust pessimistic values came from Thomas ligoti book

    • @dalano_films
      @dalano_films 3 года назад

      This line in the screenplay was different, looks like this was Matthew McConaughey's own twist on it

  • @BrorealeK
    @BrorealeK 7 лет назад +2455

    True Detective was a masterpiece. I'm so glad they didn't do a second season, I'm sure it would have been terrible.

    • @ManSeekingMeaning
      @ManSeekingMeaning 7 лет назад +215

      Broreale hahaha. This comment is so win.

    • @f3nrir_
      @f3nrir_ 7 лет назад +157

      I am glad that they thought season 2 would be a disaster to make, so they wouldnt even think of season 3

    • @ЛюбоМанолов-ь9о
      @ЛюбоМанолов-ь9о 7 лет назад +151

      It wasn't terrible, it had it's merrits, the ending was actually very well done. It was like a regular mediocre show. But not terrible.

    • @shhs1227
      @shhs1227 7 лет назад +214

      Любо Манолов it wasn't mediocre. it just had ridiculous expectations to live up to. doesn't help that HBO rushed pizzolatto as well

    • @greenakutabi
      @greenakutabi 7 лет назад +83

      SH HS HBO admitted that they messed up by rushing him.

  • @isaacninan5053
    @isaacninan5053 7 лет назад +125

    Great, now I want to watch True Detective all over again.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +7

      mmhmm.

    • @AL-SH
      @AL-SH 5 лет назад +10

      You'll do this again... time is a flat circle.

    • @Tony-fq5bn
      @Tony-fq5bn 2 года назад

      One of the most rewatchable series/movies out there

  • @pumpkinqueen5450
    @pumpkinqueen5450 6 лет назад +47

    Matthew McConaughey is scary talented. Just pure talent.

  • @mammontustado9680
    @mammontustado9680 5 месяцев назад +1

    I've watched this video essay probably 7 times now, and every time your final line "To make sure the light keeps winning" puts a tear in my eye. It resonates with me so much. Thank you. -A long-time LFTS fan

  • @vicenteortegarubilar9418
    @vicenteortegarubilar9418 7 лет назад +203

    youtube is a fine place and worth when I am watching this kind of videos... I agree with the second part.

    • @supastar25
      @supastar25 5 лет назад +2

      This kind of content is absolute gold

  • @supsap6545
    @supsap6545 7 лет назад +653

    Fantastic video, probably your very best yet. Thx for doing these.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +99

      Thank *you* for watching these ;)

    • @chandus2496
      @chandus2496 7 лет назад +5

      I have seen a lot of your videos and I agree with that comment. This has been my personal favorite.

    • @aamirsohail9193
      @aamirsohail9193 7 лет назад +1

      Aye. Really well examined and really well put together.

  • @Beforethecredits
    @Beforethecredits 7 лет назад +428

    I always love your work man. You're a huge inspiration for me. The final scene is Se7en is fantastic. I still want you to do the Before Trilogy.

    • @Onawhimexplorer
      @Onawhimexplorer 7 лет назад +10

      What's in the box!!!

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +52

      Thank you, that's nice to hear! I still want to do the Before Trilogy-so many romantic stories to do...Her, Eternal Sunshine, Before Trilogy...

    • @Beforethecredits
      @Beforethecredits 7 лет назад +5

      You know, I would love to see you do Her. I think it would be really different because Scarlett plays such a HUGE role yet she is never seen, just heard.

    • @amaliant9488
      @amaliant9488 7 лет назад +2

      You should watch "Comet".It made me feel like "Before Midnight". Very well written and directed.It's one of my personal favourites and I cant understand it's IMDB rate.

    • @Beforethecredits
      @Beforethecredits 7 лет назад

      That actually looks really interesting, Ill have to check it out. Thanks Emily.

  • @docpepperclassic
    @docpepperclassic 7 лет назад +85

    This video broke a screenplay I've been stuck on for literal months. I just watched it and it immediately highlighted what I need to do to fix the problem I've been having. Thank you so much.

    • @VikingFitness00
      @VikingFitness00 5 лет назад +3

      did you sell that screenplay ?

    • @martinrojas412
      @martinrojas412 8 месяцев назад

      Did you?

    • @docpepperclassic
      @docpepperclassic 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@martinrojas412 No, it didn’t sell. Finished it, though, and I’m really proud of it.

    • @fatimaa1277
      @fatimaa1277 7 месяцев назад

      I wonder what is It about

  • @mycommentpwnz
    @mycommentpwnz 6 лет назад +55

    The analysis in this video.... is VERY well done. Often times, by merely watching a movie/show, the artistic motivation and true essence only hits the viewer on a nearly subconscious level. You FEEL it, but to encapsulate it into words can be difficult. This video illuminates how complex, meaningful, and thought provoking a good story can be. Props to the maker.

  • @ent_march7712
    @ent_march7712 7 лет назад +54

    gained so much knowledge about movies and stories from your videos, never stop :)

  • @JustNicole6400
    @JustNicole6400 7 лет назад +80

    You literally picked my favorite show and my favorite movie.... I'm beyond impressed

  • @stanverlaan1147
    @stanverlaan1147 7 лет назад +104

    Wow. I haven't watched the video yet, but Se7en and True Detective are two of my favourite pieces of cinema. Thank you already.

    • @stanverlaan1147
      @stanverlaan1147 7 лет назад +2

      incredible! I love it, thank you!

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +9

      Me too! "Pieces of cinema" is a great way to refer to them both. I should have used that...

  • @NITZANG1
    @NITZANG1 6 лет назад +96

    I remember watching true detective and feeling like it's a visual "Nine inch nails - the downward spiral", much like se7en and other David Fincher's works.

    • @andrewforte3852
      @andrewforte3852 5 лет назад +7

      We need a David Fincher Batman ASAP!

    • @Tony-fq5bn
      @Tony-fq5bn 2 года назад +2

      @@andrewforte3852 Kinda feel like this new Batman movie coming out might be like that

    • @andrewforte3852
      @andrewforte3852 2 года назад +2

      @@Tony-fq5bn The Batman trailers do look like a mixture of Seven and Zodiac.

    • @lootpack7744
      @lootpack7744 2 года назад +2

      @@Tony-fq5bn Signed, sealed, and delivered.

    • @Tony-fq5bn
      @Tony-fq5bn 2 года назад +2

      @@lootpack7744 Just saw it, ya def thought of a few diff movies while watching it, but I thought this movie compared to Seven the same way Joker compared to Taxi Driver. You couldn't tell me Paul Dano wasn't trying to channel K Spacey at points

  • @jimjam7928
    @jimjam7928 5 лет назад +25

    Seven is one of my favourite movies. The characters are so strongly realised, and I think Morgan Freeman was born to play Detective Somerset.

  • @MAgnew898
    @MAgnew898 7 лет назад +50

    After asking Wisecrack on every video for a breakdown of True Detective, I'm glad you did one instead!

  • @Soniti1324
    @Soniti1324 7 лет назад +122

    True Detective Season 1 remains some of the best television ever made. (It's a shame they never made another season /sarcasm)
    The last line of the season was a perfect ending. Rust no longer believes that the world is dead, rotted, and all but waiting for oblivion.
    He gains the understanding that while the light may not be able to banish all the darkness, right now, today, it can still brighten creation even just a little more, and those individual battles are not fought in vain. They point to a culmination in which all that is wrong will be put right.
    Truly a beautiful ending to a horrifying story.

  • @kylecoffman4738
    @kylecoffman4738 7 лет назад +88

    I still maintain that the difference between S1 and S2 TD are the caliber of the actors. Imagine if Harrelson has uttered the line about 'blue balls in the heart'... he would have made it true to his character, and though it might have seemed off-kilter and zany, it still would have rang true in the scene. Now imagine if Vince Vaughn had said the line about 'being the micheal jordan of being a sunuvabitch', it would have sounded hollow, forced, and amateurish. Or imagine if Rachel Mcadams had been talking about 'smelling a phsycosphere'. Pizzolato's writing is unique and imaginative, but it takes a nuanced and brilliant actor to bring those words to the screen with any truth. Lightning in a bottle with MM and WH. Not to mention Fukanaga's impeccable directing.

    • @myfilms999
      @myfilms999 5 лет назад +6

      You are 100000% right

    • @fhaf33z
      @fhaf33z 3 года назад

      Dont forget his writing was plagiarized. He ran out of writing material after season 1.

    • @Tony-fq5bn
      @Tony-fq5bn 2 года назад +4

      I think Fukanaga's absence is what kills the show rather than the actors........like, Vince Vaughn is not THAT bad lol the way he played his character was odd to say the least, and whose idea was it for Colin Ferell's character to look like that? Also, they used music like the first season, which made you feel like their might be some weird stuff going on, but the story was never that deep in S2, so its like, "why are you using this music?"

    • @soheiladam7510
      @soheiladam7510 2 года назад +7

      I don't think so, yeah the cast wasn't superb but it wasn't bad either, the script was rushed and the story wasn't refined and it showed. expecting a second season like the first is absurd. it's impossible.

  • @9000ck
    @9000ck 4 года назад +112

    I love True Detective, but when Cole said he could 'smell the psychosphere,' I burst out laughing.

    • @HzBurak-rl3wo
      @HzBurak-rl3wo 4 года назад +20

      İts a Real shit tho (synesthesia)

    • @Brownismyname
      @Brownismyname 3 года назад +2

      when I smell the psychosphere, someone has shit himself

    • @Mcgif21
      @Mcgif21 3 года назад +28

      The things you say when you are recovering from accidental meth addiction.

    • @chromesthesia
      @chromesthesia 3 года назад +1

      @@HzBurak-rl3wo I have that

    • @samlosco8441
      @samlosco8441 3 года назад +17

      I think it’s expected for a lot of viewers to laugh tbh. Marty even mocks him for it not long after

  • @AkilesJose
    @AkilesJose 7 лет назад +11

    I'm not a writter nor film student, but this RUclips channel has gone straight up to my favorites.

  • @SokaMagic
    @SokaMagic 7 лет назад +40

    Great stuff! It is evident that you put lot of hard work into your videos. It is very inspiring for me, as a guy who is very passionate about movies.

  • @iranbek
    @iranbek 7 лет назад +490

    JOHN DOE: "Detective.... Detective.... DETECTI-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-IVE!!!!!!!"

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +60

      Possibly my favorite moment.

    • @kdizzle901
      @kdizzle901 6 лет назад +10

      I’d like to speak to my lawyer please

    • @babyboomer6272
      @babyboomer6272 5 лет назад +15

      Snake? Snake!?
      SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!

    • @mileyhannah1306
      @mileyhannah1306 5 лет назад +10

      My favourite scene! The way his tone changes in a matter of seconds

    • @ailouros24
      @ailouros24 5 лет назад +5

      not to be confused with lucifers "DETECTIVE!!!!!"

  • @yskim2636
    @yskim2636 4 года назад +56

    "Only in the darkness, can you see the stars." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • @needlessToo
    @needlessToo 7 лет назад +15

    Se7en has been my favorite movie of all time for the last 20 years and True Detective made it up there as well. This video expertly explained why I love them.

  • @xfilion
    @xfilion 7 лет назад +7

    The dialogue in True Detective was mesmerising, Rusty's in particular. It's what was missed so much in the sequel.

  • @jaimelann4679
    @jaimelann4679 7 лет назад +188

    i would love if you did an in-depth analysis of Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men. one of the most complex, frightening characters i've ever seen

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +38

      No Country would be a lot of fun to do.

    • @matthew1882
      @matthew1882 5 лет назад +6

      Anton Chigur getting sent to hunt down The Yellow King /Tuttle cult. Now that sounds like a True Detective season 4.

    • @amanshivhare5340
      @amanshivhare5340 5 лет назад +17

      Anton chigurh is not a complex character he is as simple it could be

    • @MyEverythingBurrito
      @MyEverythingBurrito 4 года назад +9

      @@amanshivhare5340 he's more like a force of nature than a character

    • @HandleGF
      @HandleGF 4 года назад

      An inferior Terminator... a crude Shadow character of the type to which Americans seem devoted.

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 7 лет назад +6

    I think part of what makes Rustin Cohl such a compelling character is that his personal 'wound', is communicated in such a way as to make the viewer believe in his world-view. Even if they may have never thought that way beforehand. He's got a very interesting 'cult leader' aspect about him, while still being a solitary character - almost as if he recognizes this aspect about himself and does everything he can to repel others, and not fulfill this potential.

  • @Mindcreat0r
    @Mindcreat0r 3 года назад +7

    “You are like the Michael Jordan of being a son of a b*tch” is such a lightening in a bottle line. I imagine that after the writer wrote that down he smiled to himself for a while.

  • @jessemilstead810
    @jessemilstead810 2 года назад +3

    One of my favorite parts of se7en is a certain part that makes it such a dark movie that leads up to the end and that’s the fact that every time the characters are outside it’s raining and raining hard, expect for the climax of the movie

  • @negativezero3107
    @negativezero3107 Год назад +5

    I do not see many comments on this but the addition of Carcosa and The King in Yellow was brilliant, which inspired even Lovecraft, really nice touch and made it infinitely more creepy.

  • @Peanutjoepap24
    @Peanutjoepap24 7 лет назад +7

    Great stuff about two of my favorite dark as hell crime thrillers. Also I love that we've just gotten to a place that saying the words "True Detective" just automatically refers to season one and just forgets that other thing.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +3

      Yup! Sry season 2 :P

    • @Peanutjoepap24
      @Peanutjoepap24 7 лет назад

      Lessons from the Screenplay I don't hate season 2 as much as some people but it doesn't hold a candle to 1. The characters and writing weren't as interesting, it was thematically hollow, and lacked that unique flavor that season 1 found in backwoods Louisiana and it's vague mysticism.

  • @nighttray1489
    @nighttray1489 7 лет назад +11

    Awesome. I've always wanted you to do something with the first season of True Detective.

  • @annoyingkid48
    @annoyingkid48 5 лет назад +4

    Watching your videos, the way you incorporate the stuff about how to structure characters and character flaws makes it so much easier for me to write as an aspiring author. After doing countless short stories, I’m finally getting around to the gritty actual-work-things with my baby of a novel, and having rules to work off of makes it infinitely easier to get my ideas down on paper.

  • @siddsen95
    @siddsen95 7 лет назад +73

    This video means a hell of a lot to me.
    Expertly crafted cinematography and writing on par with any Camus or J.P. Sartre classic, these are two pieces of cinematic artistic achievements which explores the meaning of our lives through a decisively dark lens.
    And comes out with the oldest lesson of mankind : Hope.
    Michael, your efforts just reminded someone of the reasons to go on. You gift of a person. Thank You

  • @blacksheep_77
    @blacksheep_77 5 лет назад +4

    Recently found your channel and I must say that I am not just learning massive amounts about story and character and the writers who are walking on the edge of greatness, but I am learning about myself and the stories that have been bouncing around in my soul for decades. This particular episode is fascinating to me...this reality of light and darkness and how the darkness works on the soul to lead it to pessimism, passivity or even despair and ultimately causes the human being to cease being purposeful as a vessel of light. SeVen was a film of my younger life, I saw it in the theatre and it was so far beyond my mind at the time.
    Now...I'm sitting here marveling at it again and True Detective, not for the violence or the gruesome nature of the content, but rather because both are somehow willing to acknowledge that the human purpose is truly to be a light in the midst of darkness. You, sir, challenge me to not just be a passive, entertained, observer but instead to be a sort of sub-plot to the story itself: one who has a character arc that also plays out during the story structure and does not leave unchanged, but challenged, if not altered by the conclusions the story poses.
    ...I will perhaps take a lot of heat from the YT community for this but I have to say it...I have been rather manic about a passage in the Bible...Genesis 1:2. And the earth was without form (purpose) and it was void (without any life), and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the waters, and God said, "Let there be light", and there was light. That last scene in True Detective...Light and Darkness...I have a lot to ponder. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have a new subscriber.

  • @ScarlettAlexandraS
    @ScarlettAlexandraS 7 лет назад +6

    True Detective season 1 was an amazing show!!!! Couldn't get enough! Another awesome video! Thanks Michael!

  • @evanryan6582
    @evanryan6582 7 лет назад +4

    I love the longer video. I don't care if it takes longer to make and will never be critical about that, the more in depth look at it that provides more details is definitely appreciated.

  • @amberdent651
    @amberdent651 7 лет назад +2

    I'm really impressed with not only the quality behind these videos, but the obvious love of film you have that is immediately on display. As someone who enjoys exploring themes and lessons and journeys through not only film but other fictional media, it's great to see someone that finds a lot of the same things in cinema and wants a lot of the same things in cinema. I've already subscribed to this great channel and can't wait for more content.

  • @HerrRydebrink
    @HerrRydebrink 5 лет назад +1

    One of few 17 minute videos I enjoyed throughout. Amazing work man. Not only the analysis but the way that it was presented. Perfection. Keep it up!

  • @vincenttavani6380
    @vincenttavani6380 7 лет назад +3

    Hey man, you're doing a great job digging into the real substance of the stories that films tell. Watching your essays makes me want to grow as a person as well as a storyteller.

  • @zaklot101
    @zaklot101 7 лет назад +28

    I would say that Crime and Punishment (i know i know Its a novel and not a screenplay) is somewhat similar to these movies. With the only difference being that the main character in CandP is both the protagonist and the villain.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +2

      Interesting! I've never read it, but I probably should.

    • @joaoluizsn
      @joaoluizsn 6 лет назад

      Lessons from the Screenplay omg, yes! And definitely play Silent Hill 2 after that. If you don’t have the time or will, just watch RagnarRox video on it

    • @borysvengerov3398
      @borysvengerov3398 3 года назад

      Dostoevsky definitely has that pessimistic and fatalistic vibe, nicely spotted.

  • @HoneyBunRoad
    @HoneyBunRoad 5 лет назад +6

    I just re-watched True Detective last week and I'm ready to go again. It's a masterpiece!

  • @ErinJeanette
    @ErinJeanette Год назад +2

    Also beautiful work. I'm so thankful for people like you and channels like this really digging into the deep beauty and sadness of these haunting stories.

  • @Jmctt926
    @Jmctt926 4 года назад +2

    I’m happy RUclips’s algorithm recommended your videos, it’s given me inspiration to write again

  • @DomzoD
    @DomzoD 7 лет назад +418

    Personally, I prefer you to Nerdwriter, mainly because I love movies, but also I feel Nerdwriter tries too hard to sound "smart" or "intellectual" as a substitute for real explanation (or maybe I'm just dumb), but you guys both make great videos; I just think yours are much better.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +100

      I appreciate the kind words. I think we both have our own styles that work for the kinds of videos we make. It's certainly good company to be in.

    • @Peanutjoepap24
      @Peanutjoepap24 7 лет назад +50

      Domzo D. Domzo D. Nerdwriter can do some great stuff but I also find him more than a little pretentious. It seems to me that for him something is either a masterpiece from on high or compete dismissible garbage with no in between. I don't much care for that mentality.

    • @robert3333
      @robert3333 7 лет назад +84

      If you don't already know them I'd recommend Every Frame a Painting and Now You See It.
      Not focused on screenplays but more on the art of movies in general.

    • @Peanutjoepap24
      @Peanutjoepap24 7 лет назад +9

      Mr0strich Seconded. Love those guys.

    • @getthepapersgetthepapers
      @getthepapersgetthepapers 7 лет назад +34

      Channel Criswell too. Really well-thought out and erudite and his accent is dope.

  • @maxguillen8135
    @maxguillen8135 5 лет назад +3

    I'm so glad I found this video. 2 of my favorite stories in one video. Well done.

  • @marioguedes4606
    @marioguedes4606 7 лет назад +26

    "In order to feel like your child was spared the burden of existence, one *has* to believe that existence is a burden."
    It never ceases to amaze me how art can so accurately yet subtly capture the essence of the human condition. Thanks for breaking that down!

  • @mtl199813
    @mtl199813 7 лет назад

    Fantastic video, I'm 17 and I love writing, but screenplays have always been super intimidating to me. Thanks for breaking things down and really helping me to see the true value in a well written screenplay.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +1

      My pleasure! They can be intimidating, but I think that just means you should go try to conquer them. Best way to make them less intimidating ;)

  • @KateHedgehog57
    @KateHedgehog57 7 лет назад

    Your videos are unbelievably well done. Even down to how soft your voice is so that the viewer can focus on what is happening and what you're saying at the same time without being overwhelmed. I am attempting to write novels and I find that watching your videos helps me with formulating plots for them and working through development. Thank you for making your videos, I deeply enjoy them.

  • @richardknox7354
    @richardknox7354 7 лет назад +13

    cohle says 'what the fucks that Nietzsche' to ledoux because of the 'you'll do this again line' because of the eternal recurrence theme, but Nietzsche only meant it as a way to live your life well, live it as if you'll re do everything again and again and again not really as a metaphysical belief more as thought experiment
    By the way brilliant stuff, binge watched near all your vids, well done..........

  • @rohan22051991
    @rohan22051991 7 лет назад +5

    You, every frame a painting and nerdwriter are my favourite channels right now!!!

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +1

      In good company!

    • @beeaveragegaming3482
      @beeaveragegaming3482 7 лет назад +1

      Rajat Swami right!!?? they are constantly who i go towards for inspiration for film :)

    • @rohan22051991
      @rohan22051991 7 лет назад +2

      Courtney Heath I know!!! he could have done the analysis by taking just one; either true detective or seven and that could have been great too. But he decided to draw a parallel which is taking one more step forward.

  • @shishkinmax
    @shishkinmax 7 лет назад +3

    Two of my favourites stories of all time. Thank you for your work sir

  • @dikshitchaudhary9114
    @dikshitchaudhary9114 4 года назад +1

    This video is so well crafted. No matter how many times I watch TD and Se7en, I can't get enough of it.

  • @TJB5
    @TJB5 7 лет назад

    Wonderful work. One of your lengthier commentaries -- and worth every single second. Thank you for doing this. Please keep it up.

  • @BadassRandomness
    @BadassRandomness 7 лет назад +3

    My goal is to make a movie so good, that Lessons from the Screenplay makes a analysis of it.
    That is my dream

  • @gastonperazzo4836
    @gastonperazzo4836 6 лет назад +8

    As a fan of Cinema in general, and a particular fan of True Detective S01, watching your video made me feel really stupid. More that half of the things your mention in your analysis I didn't see them nor I linked them, and after watching this I kind of felt that I was too obvious to miss. That is, in mi opinion, what makes this and all of your videos so great... the fact that you can show us a deepest and thorough exam of something that we might've seen plenty of times.
    Keep it up. Nothing like getting baffled with new sights of old thinks we love.

  • @iv0rysh0es39
    @iv0rysh0es39 7 лет назад +9

    Along with the themes of darkness in humanity and existential crisis I highly recommend delving into Korean cinema!
    - Oldboy
    - I Saw the Devil
    - The Man From Nowhere

  • @madisonjackson4293
    @madisonjackson4293 7 лет назад +1

    I don't often comment on youtube videos but I would really like you to know just how incredible I find your channel. The insight and seemingly effortless understanding you have of such complex screenplays is astounding, and the fact that you take the time to communicate these insights and ideas to others makes me respect you more than I already would. As an aspiring screenwriter, you never fail to motivate me with your videos to not only keep writing but to keep improving. Thank you so much, and keep up the amazing work!

  • @Upuiff09
    @Upuiff09 5 месяцев назад +1

    the ending to true detective season 1 literally made me break my computer with how intense it was, accidently spilled water on it like 2 months ago lmao

  • @SayMy_User_Name
    @SayMy_User_Name 5 лет назад +11

    “Nah, it’s a little too late in the game to get started on something like that I reckon, life’s barely long enough to get good at one thing”

  • @THEARCHITECT801
    @THEARCHITECT801 5 лет назад +3

    Brother, I've already watched this and (recently) finished true detective season 3, as well as season one, this is even more impactful, than before. Love it! I believe you'd do a great job at breaking down True Detective season 3 for certain. Of this I'm quite confident. If of course, you're even wanting to, haha. Regardless though, been subscribed for some time now, keep it up!

  • @manasmohapatra7847
    @manasmohapatra7847 7 лет назад +4

    As always, it's a delight to see your videos. I believe you will love the movie - Memories of Murder. It's more like Zodiac, but you can see vibes of the movie in Se7en and True Detective as well.

  • @stupendoushorrendous8258
    @stupendoushorrendous8258 7 лет назад

    Watching your videos has really been teaching me a lot about how to successfully hone my skills and actually write a decent script. Thank you for doing this.

  • @nathanvictor9334
    @nathanvictor9334 5 лет назад +1

    I just found your channel but I can't get enough of your videos! You probably won't see this but still know that you've gained a fan

  • @generalmortars9490
    @generalmortars9490 5 лет назад +6

    That last dialogue?
    "Once, there was only dark."
    It's straight out of Alan Moore's Top Ten comic.

  • @biffman6
    @biffman6 6 лет назад +90

    what's in the baaaaax

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse 3 года назад

      God that line fucking kills me. Brad Pitt needs to do more good movies.

    • @Scroolewse
      @Scroolewse 3 года назад

      God that line fucking kills me. Brad Pitt needs to do more good movies.

  • @tidepride86
    @tidepride86 7 лет назад +3

    True Detective season 1: Best show to have graced the small screen.

  • @jonmiles8091
    @jonmiles8091 3 года назад +1

    Having the protagonist come face to face with an extreme version of themselves is a way to force them to re-evaluate their beliefs - is perhaps one of the best pieces of film commentary forever. It reminds me of critics mocking Trudeau until he proved them wrong by making 400 blows after being a critic. Good show.

  • @canadianboy99
    @canadianboy99 2 года назад +1

    This is my fav video of yours. Love both of these and you've given a great explanation of the similar character arcs and the satisfying structure that is harder for the layperson to put into words. I also loved your social network vid - the Sorkin writing style breakdown was awesome.
    I'd like to see you break down Zodiac. While not as as focused of a story as Seven, it seems to be more rewatchable than most crime stories and tbh I'm not sure if that is an intended design choice or a side effect of a its flaws (slow/odd pacing, less iconic characters, lack of closure, etc.).
    Keep up the good work!

  • @polloyopa
    @polloyopa 7 лет назад +3

    This was amazing! I second the comment that said you should do the "Before..." trilogy.

  • @jackr_4382
    @jackr_4382 3 года назад +18

    Without Se7en this show and other movies would have never existed... that's why Se7en is probably one of the most important movies ever made...

    • @ErinJeanette
      @ErinJeanette Год назад +1

      Agreed

    • @VijayThakurMD
      @VijayThakurMD 10 месяцев назад

      Plz Suggest more shows/movies with similar themes

  • @eminems99
    @eminems99 7 лет назад +133

    Can you do Westworld next ........???
    love your videos

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +78

      I'd love to...after this video I'm going to take a break from tackling multi-episode, hour-long dramas for awhile....but will probably come back to it later!

    • @eminems99
      @eminems99 7 лет назад +17

      Sure thing , good luck

    • @realrecognisereviews
      @realrecognisereviews 7 лет назад +8

      Oh dam I was just going to recommend Fargo or Mr Robot after seeing this lol. Well still looking forward to more content !

    • @intheairex
      @intheairex 7 лет назад

      Aaron Nichols Actually, isn't Mr. Robot's third season soon? Wow this year went by fast.

  • @themasviedude
    @themasviedude 7 лет назад +1

    It's a real treat to see a LFTS video in the subscription feed. I need to watch it immediately.

  • @NotSoSuperheroProd
    @NotSoSuperheroProd 7 лет назад +1

    There are 11 people that need to reassess their lives. Why would you Thumbs Down this video? THIS WAS GOLD! Congrats on one year of making kick-ass, intelligent, and insightful videos. Keep it up!

  • @Drudenfusz
    @Drudenfusz 7 лет назад +4

    I am not so much into audiobook, so I ordered the book directly. By the way, K.M. Weiland has her own RUclips channel which I also been subscribed to for some time, but it took this channel here to finally get that book!

  • @jeffanderson9938
    @jeffanderson9938 7 лет назад +63

    17 minutes? A new record for longest video on this channel.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +63

      Ugh, I know...first cut was 21 minutes! I think I love these two things too much, so just kept writing and writing. Trimming it down was hard.

    • @HxH2011DRA
      @HxH2011DRA 7 лет назад +2

      Lessons from the Screenplay Think you'll release a follow up sometime?

    • @dandai8
      @dandai8 7 лет назад +4

      Release a 21-minute Director's Cut haha ;)

  • @ManSeekingMeaning
    @ManSeekingMeaning 7 лет назад +11

    Saw one of my favorite channels post about two of my FAVORITE inspirations.. Fuck. Yes.

  • @shikshaupadhyay2004
    @shikshaupadhyay2004 7 лет назад

    Just finished binge watching True Detective so that I could see this video. You do a lovely job at breaking down screenplays. I absolutely love it.

  • @shahriarshadab2576
    @shahriarshadab2576 5 лет назад +1

    i can't overstate enough how much your videos inspire me and get me writing.

  • @vladimirbajic9439
    @vladimirbajic9439 7 лет назад +29

    Great video, as always.
    On a side note, why is the character arc actually called an arc? While metaphorical arc represents change or growth, the literal arc goes down-up-down. It would be more fitting for it to represent a failure to grow, or the inability to change, some sort of regression to the old values.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +14

      🤔 Good question. I have some guesses but I don't know, I'll have to investigate this.

    • @wolffyx112
      @wolffyx112 7 лет назад +2

      Since the change is often substantive and in the opposite direction, the geometric term arc is often used to describe the sweeping change.

    • @HeadsFullOfEyeballs
      @HeadsFullOfEyeballs 7 лет назад +5

      I figure the expression is in analogy to "story arc". Which makes more sense as a metaphor, since a plot typically goes low tension - high tension - low tension.

    • @Hahnsoulo
      @Hahnsoulo 6 лет назад +2

      An arc only represents growth and then regression if you look at character growth as the vertical axis of the arc. Instead, character growth is the horizontal axis, and the trials and tribulations the character goes through are the vertical axis.

  • @TripleTSingt
    @TripleTSingt 5 лет назад +14

    I just wanted to say: The translation of the title in German is really weird. "Creating Light Amongst the Dark" becomes "Schattenbelichtung", which translates more to "exposing for shadow"

    • @Collins1118
      @Collins1118 4 года назад

      I get it. Definitely different but I get it.

  • @felipevitorino7745
    @felipevitorino7745 7 лет назад +28

    Shit! Now I really need to see true detective, was putting it off for years.
    Already cleared my schedule and will come back tomorrow.

    • @LessonsfromtheScreenplay
      @LessonsfromtheScreenplay  7 лет назад +22

      haha, awesome. Enjoy! (Only need to watch Season 1 by the way...)

    • @NexSicarius
      @NexSicarius 7 лет назад +1

      Thank you for saying that; I was looking for this in the comments!

    • @WanderKrew
      @WanderKrew 7 лет назад +4

      I just binged. Easily one of the best shows I've ever seen.

    • @mutedisease21
      @mutedisease21 7 лет назад +1

      Still don't know why S2 of True Detective gets so much derision. I for one enjoyed it more than S1 if at least for the lack of slightly supernatural elements we see on S1, although both seasons were supreme exercises in suspenseful storytelling. Always love your vids btw. Maybe you can someday make a video about intertwined stories like in Babel or 21 grams or Traffic.

    • @14AspenDrive
      @14AspenDrive 7 лет назад +1

      Mute Station season 2 made not a lick of sense

  • @faisalalghamdi6688
    @faisalalghamdi6688 7 лет назад

    I been waiting for you to talk about these film & the series and you combined in one video.Man you legend.

  • @danbogosian3305
    @danbogosian3305 4 года назад +1

    only discovered your videos after listening to your podcast. At this point, heard and seen them all, but just wanted to say: this one is my favorite, the one I keep going back to. Thank you.

  • @RAMtrails
    @RAMtrails 7 лет назад +8

    True Detective was AMAZING