Matter cannot be created or destroyed, there fore the only way to physically make something disappear is if it disappears from vision. I’d say it was a legal play
@@CarburetorThompson _"Matter cannot be created or destroyed"_ Well, tecnically not entirely correct. Deuterium weights 2,01410175u, Tritium weighs 3,0160495u. In nuclear fusion one Deuterium and one Tritium atom can fuse into one Helium atom. A Helium atom weighs 4,002602u. So about 1u goes "missing". Well, it has transformed to Energy. As seen in probably the most well known Formula in Physics E=m*c² energy is just mass with attitude. Though, there's room for further interpretation if it has disappeared at that point.
yea, i mean it's energy that can't be created or destroyed but we know what they mean-- unless they had a particle accelerator or a fusion reactor on hand, no new matter can be created
I wonder if the taskmaster goes to a magic show and stands up in the middle of the show and says to the magician "you didn't actually make that object disappear, it still exists in this physical plane of reality even if I can't see where it's gone, you have not made anything disappear"
To be fair, at 0:33 he asks what it means for something to disappear, and the answer was "disappearing is when you can't see them anymore", so despite them joking afterwards that putting your hand behind a piece of paper means to "disappear", that DOES follow the definition given DURING the challenge. If you want to be extra secure about it, just wrap the whole block in a blanket or something and they can't even just walk around it anymore.
The issue here isn't actually the definition, the issue is that he really sucked at arguing and basically gave no defense. It's like a in a court, it doesn't matter how justified your actions are in regards to the law, if you don't even put up a defense.
The other thing is, it was a different contestant who asked what the definintion was, at the time he didn't clarify he just threw it in the river. I think if he had asked to clarify and then followed the definition to the letter they'd have given it to him😊
He specifically said YOU. That could be argued to be singular and to refer to the asker only. So they could like, blindfold themselves... But assuming we take it as being a plural 'you' referring to an indefinite person in general then it would have to be that a human could not see it. Then we have the interpretation on whether a person could in theory see it if they were in the river or something or whether it depends on there being a person who is actually capable of seeing it at some point in time.
Honestly, the fact that they didn't allow throwing it into the river but did allow flushing an eraser for "completely erase this eraser" is dumb as all hell
@@daearthflatyeet2261 Right but like, Alex eventually lost sight and they still went "nah, it's probably still ice somewhere..." the eraser, they said to erase it, meaning to use it entirely, this said to make it disappear, meaning that once it's not visible anymore, then it's disappeared...
@@DisKorruptd The biggest thing is... the river was the closest one to actually yknow, dissapearing... melting the ice and covering basically the whole house in melted ice isnt really dissapeared now is it. Its still there just water.
Plus their logic wasn't even entirely correct. Sure, one definition of "disappear" is to cease to exist, but the definition before that is literally to cease to be visible. Someone should tell them when a magician makes a rabbit disappear in a hat, the rabbit didn't actually cease to exist cause they must not understand object permanence.
@@Schmorgus it's crazy to think that people still don't believe in global warming. Then I realize that most people are the type to never do any of their own research and instead just walk outside and say "its really cold today how can there be global warming dur dur dur."
@@kirk5649 especially when icebergs bigger than rhode isle are peeling off Antarctica, greenland is spewing ~268 metric tons of freshwater causing sea level rise, the slowing of ocean currents, the major flooding on islands at sea level, the plea to the UN to do something before 1.5 C warmed, the ships in the arctic getting through without icebreakers, the global bleaching of coral reafs and so many other examples.
The funny thing is, when I saw the prompt, my first thought was to take it to a bridge and drop it in a river. That is very much making it disappear. The guy that dumped it in the river is the People's Champion of this challenge.
Step one: "Hey alex can you boil me up some water?" Step two: While alex is in house throw ice block into trash can or hedge/over fence Step three: done
Don't know why I'm so pissed they didn't give it to the guy who threw it in the water. Cease to exist is a definition of disappear as well as "cease to be visible" or something that is lost or has gone missing.
Honestly deciding whether or not to award points on semantics or just because he feels like it is part of the show, the contestants know it can happen when they try to be clever.
@@chrisb.1718 That's something innately frustrating to me. I totally get that and I don't believe for a second that these professional TV personalities actually try to win these fake competitions. The competitions are a vessel for entertainment and absolutely nothing more. I always subconsciously want the games to be fair and for them to try to beat tasks efficiently but in the end the show works just the way it is. Also people bombarding the comments with how it should've been is just what the algorithm wants to see..
That was on Tim at that point. He had a perfect case to say it disappeared, but he didn't argue it worth a damn. When it comes to the judging - it comes down to making your case half the time - and when you make a great case, Greg happily gives you your due points, but if you don't make a good case he will give you points based on what the other contestants did. Tim had that win - he had it, he just didn't argue his point effectively.
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Just for the record, when a magician disappears, he doesn't actually sublimate into a wisp of smoke. Vision is the criteria for (dis)appearance. The river should have gotten first place.
There's a slight difference between banish & dissappear though,, the nativity vanishes! I generally don't like Tim's cheating, but thought of this & boiling water myself, do think the time should've been taken! It is in the river, but still visible as a separate block
"Uncharacteristically competent" is such a class backhanded compliment. Beautiful. Edit: I think Joe Thomas would have approved of the effort Josh Widdicombe put into winning this.
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Gotta give the guy who smashed it some style points though, as much as melting it out in hot water was efficient... We all wanted to watch these people smash a block of ice into powder.
The spirit of the show is playing with definitions and thinking of good work arounds. If they had wished no one to attempt hiding it then they should have specified that they wanted it destroyed.
River guy should have won. If they are going to be that literal about it “disappearing,” everyone else should have slurped up the left over water cause I still saw it.
If had put the ice block in a sack, full of enough weights to make it sink, then tossed it in the river, I'd agree. Come to think of it, if he'd put the ice block in a sack right there in the yard, and declared job done, I'd also agree.
@@CarstenReg Yet water isn't ice. That connection only goes one way. Water is the nickname for H20, wheras ice is the nickname for H20 specifically in solid form. If it's no longer in solid form, then it's no longer ice. A parrot being a bird obviously doesn't mean that birds are parrots.
the river idea is on point but Key forgot that the mafia bosses also ad stones to the things they are trying to make desapear in the river, a few rocks on top of that block of ice and bam! vanished
"Make this ice block disappear as quickly as possible." Greg interpreted this to mean completely melt the ice, and of course he can change any interpretation, but this is contrary to rest of the previous tasks and shows. Why not make the task, "melt the ice?" To make it disappear, they could have dug a hole, and buried it. They could have called a taxi and had it driven away. Definition of disappear: "to cause (something) to pass out of existence, possession, or view." To change the state from solid to liquid is not even in the definition, so I think his interpretation is preposterous. Technically, the ice was still present for all of the others (just in liquid form) with possible the exception of Josh, his went down the drain. The river was the best solution in my opinion.
clearly, the only solution was to drop into a hadron collider, so that over innumerable operational cycles the water molecules would cease to exist entirely
The best solution would love been smashing it and then being done. Afterwards it's no longer a block of ice, it's a bunch of ice shards. To the block is out of existance
There is more. He did like 2 or 3 own tasks. I think "individual tasks" should bring a compilation video of all of them There were a few 2-3 season I believe
@@SomeNiceMovies I believe he counted a couple other things in cans, and got completely pissed off when he figured out he was the only one. It was pretty funny.
@@somerandomnoob100 draw a face on it, then defend it from alex. if he tries to touch it, accuse alex of touching your jacket-friend without it's consent.
My first thought was to stand in front of the block and hide it behind myself. But then I thought, the task is to make the block of ice disappear, and there's a saw sitting right next to it. If you saw the ice into two pieces, you've created two new blocks of ice and the original block of ice has disappeared.
In my head I took this nonsense logic a step further in just presenting them with the question of “is it still the same block of ice even though 1 milliliter has melted off since the task began?”
I think that was the point though - they could have literally done anything - while others thought it meant melt it to make it disappear entirely because once it was water, it was no longer ice, so it was gone. Tim's was a legit win - but not argued effectively so it lost. Plus he insulted Greg in the process. As long as it was no longer a block of ice - or out of sight, you could call it disappeared, you just had to argue your case against Greg (and the other contestants).
The task was "make it disappear" not "make it melt" if something moves out of sight then it has disappeared. Shit, going inside and grabbing a blanket to throw over it should have given someone the win.
Especially after Alex says disappear means you can't see it anymore. I know this was filmed a while ago but this task was one of the greatest injustices in Taskmaster!
@@Reijvi I'm not saying that melting it shouldn't count as a correct answer, just that making it "no longer visible" is also making it disappear and thus should have counted.
@@michaelmaguire4147 I agree. If a magician sat in front of Greg with three cups, and he puts a ball into one cup, slides them around a bit and then shows that the ball is gone, would Greg be like, "It didn't disappear though did it?" Like yeah it's up the magician's sleeve, but everyone knows he disappeared that ball
"Once it's in the river it's gone, mate!" ...well... obviously, many people think that way, because look at Thames. But also, it obviously doesn't work that way, because look at Thames.
I know Josh got one point for counting the beans that secured him the championship in the end, but I was rooting for Romesh throughout. He brought such wonderful feral energy to the tasks. I’m still hoping he might return for a one-off someday
I literally was thinking “just step in front of it guys” if it reappears after the task is over that doesn’t mean it hasn’t disappeared. Cover it with a blanket! Appearances are everything!
How does covering something equals dissapear, i mean you can fool a child with that joke but that's not how the definition works, do you seriously think the entire world dissapears when you're not looking at? Or that your body dissapears behind your clothes when you're wearing them?
@@unmorcipan the literal definition of “disappear” is “cease to be visible” which in all honesty is pretty vague and open ended. When a magician makes an object “disappear” all he’s really doing is hiding the object from view of the audience. So yes, even though it’s not super effective, simply covering or blocking something from view does absolutely count. Don’t forget, this show is extremely open ended with how the player interprets the instructions.
Before the end of the video I thought to myself "Just throw it in a river, then it will disappear", only to find out someone else thought about it and got disqualified.
The proper and most efficient way to have gone about this task would have been to sacrifice a lamb, tie the carcass to the block of ice, and wait for a really large eagle to swoop down and carry the block away into the vast London horizon. 5 points, easy peasy.
That block of ice is clear ice.. You could probably carefully bringing into the tub and cover it with cold water then use Alex's own definition of disappear (When you can't see it) against him. (Cold water to prevent it from cracking and being visible)
'till Romesh, i wondered why no one used salt, combined with heat to melt it quicker. Unfortunately he did id in a such a long time. Eh... It was still fun to see them all trying ;-)
"It's dead" "No it isn't" "If it weren't nailed to the perch it would have been pushing up daisies." "It's just sleeping." "He's dead." "I'm not dead yet." "He says he's not dead." "Well he will be soon."
Nobody thought about what it is that should dissappear. The block of ice strictly speaking disappeared the moment they smashed the block. Afterwards it was just ice pieces, no longer a block.
Imagine someone wants to take a dive in the river, so they throw themselves off a bridge and hit their head on the ice, that’s it mate, death by random ice.
You shouldn’t be diving in rivers anyway. They’re often more shallow than they appear. No ice and you could still bash your head against some rocks hard enough to knock you out so that you drown as the river takes you downstream. Not worth.
For the baked beans one, I would use a trick that I use to count large numbers of objects. Count out 10, put 9 into a container and leave one aside, that way when you are done counting, you count the ones on the side by 10 and then add the left overs.
@@kingtreedede7303I think he is joking, just that he is bad at the delivery. This is exactly the same joke key and peele gave in the counting money skit, the joke being that it doesn't help at all and is not in fact a trick 😂
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@@jamesmayle3787 If you try and live by the combination of both the old and new testaments, and follow them literally you will have severe cognitive dissonance.
@godofallthingsandall not at all. That's from never reading both. The old testament sets the law, Jesus Christ compltes the law. Example, we're supposed to stone sinners. but when? after the sinless man. Who's he? Jesus Christ. When does he stone sinners? At eternal judgment, aka after our first life on earth. He sees and knows every sin, determines who's guilty, and executes judgment. After him, the next dude in line casts stones. Literally, Christ casts them into hell, then Christians kick them forever. Hell staggers into layers. Those above beat those below. Sin determines where we fall in that system. It's only after living a complte life with our free will where we're judged. It isn't hard to understand. Just nobody reads the Bible. Everyone thinks they know because they went to church when they were children. Church doesn't teach the important bits. There is actually a self study requirement God keeps secert to see who cares and is trying. Three books bare minimum you're expected to read yourself, genesis, Mathew, and one you chose yourself. Literally, mandatory. Church doesn't teach that. Church is about community, having a place to help and be helped by others, setting a foundation for children to grow right. You're expected to put in personal effort.
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never seen this before, seems like one of the hosts was actually on board with the "the ice block isnt here anymore" kinda bs since he literally asked at 0:37 "do you want it melted"
This irked me so bad when I first saw this task! Alex even says the definition loosely that 'it cannot be seen.' Greg: Just because you didn't see it, does that mean its disappeared? Yes Greg, that is literally the definition. I swear I love this show, but either embrace people going out of the box, or don't. but the inconsistency is annoying.
Tossing it in the river should have been the winner here. If a magician makes a rabbit disappear, it doesn't mean he's burnt the thing to a crisp so it doesn't exist. He's simply moved it to a place where you can't see it anymore. Moving the ice to a place where it can't be seen definitely fits within the task of making it disappear.
They're fine with you going outside the box so long as you provide footage to fill the time. It's all about getting comedians to perform a task to show on television. Throwing a block of ice into a river does not make for intriguing television.
There was a similar argument in one of the later series, where the task was to 'Completely erase this eraser', and two or three of them flushed it down the toilet. That was accepted, even though it was definitely not erasing it and was incredibly boring.
So like...my first impulse would be to blow it up, and then I thought..."Wait, no, that's probably not the best way to go about it" but then I googled fastest way to melt ice, and apparently science agreed with me but stated its quite illegal.
When magicians make things disappear, they don't have to melt everything, I think throwing into the river was very valid. Actually he's the only one who made the ice disappear, everyone else melted it but you can still see it, it just changed forms.
No they made it disappear, Ice is frozen water - frozen water is ice. Cold water, is cold water. Hot water is hot water. Hot water is not ice. Cold water is not ice. Ice is not cold water and ice is not hot water. Therefore - water is not ice unless frozen, though ice is water but frozen. So melted ice is cold or hot water and no longer ice. So it has disappeared. The win could have gone to Tim, who threw it in the river though - if he had used the magicians logic, that make it disappear was to make it vanish from view, so once it was out of sight, it had disappeared, but he just made his case very poorly.
"disappear" implies you can't see it, not that you don't see it at the moment, so if the crew can turn around and see it it's not disappeared, but after a moment i doubt they'd find the ice in the river
Exactly, it would be entirely normal to say your cat disappeared when they're suddenly gone and you can't easily spot them, but you wouldn't assume someone's cat is dead and completely decomposed if someone told you that. Completely gone out of easy sight is a valid definition
There are three factors why it is not. First, air is a terrible heat conductor compared to a hot stream of water. Second, the melting depends on the surface of the ice (yes crashing is a good strategy), so it will take a lot of time to melt ice's core. Third and last, the bill is quite expensive 😂
When you look at that block, that's easily 20kg of ice or 20l of water. A frozen pizza has around 300g, if you put an (absolute) casserole in the oven, that might go up to 2kg but it will take a while to heat up. Now instead of heating something from 20°C to 60°C, it's instead from -10°C to 0°C, but given that the mass is around tenfold and the transformation from solid to liquid takes a lot of extra energy, it makes sense. It's not intuitive, you're right, but anyone who's ever cooked a frozen turkey in the oven will have an idea of how long it takes.
The specific heat capacity of water is 4200 Joules/kg Assuming that is 10kg, that's 42kJ 1kJ is 0.28 Wh So 42x 0.28 that's 11.76Wh A standard UK oven is 2kW - 2.2kW (so running for an hour would be 2kWh - 2.2kWh) So assuming that you only need to raise it's temperature by 1 degree, that the ice is actually 10kg and that the oven is 2.2kW then it would need about 5hours to melt the ice in an isolated system. Now the chunk he put in wasn't that big, but still the ice was probably at -10C so it would take 10x more energy, or same energy 10x the time. Before the refrigerator was a thing people where transporting ice from the poles to the south and it was keeping things cool for weeks. Edit: also you are limited by the surface area as well, since the heat can only get in by the surface, more surface area faster melting, so if you don't break the ice, might take even longer by the loss of efficiency getting that heat into the ice
@@Rok_Satanas Specific heat capacity of ice is half that of water, though, but the extra melting heat (heat required to melt it) outweighs all that calculation by an order of magnitude.
One could argue that the river was the only one that did disappear because all the others did was changed it's state from ice to water but it's still there!!
This is a good indication of the 1st series as a whole. Roisin is commended for doing something surprisingly competent, yet people still complain about her cleverly getting Alex to help, Tim argues with the Taskmaster, and Josh does something for no reward, but still wins
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and it's not like they show less, they completely got rid of it. Even if COVID hinders group shots, I'm sure some individual reactions would make current series far better. Maybe contestants don't emote as much while watching without audience present but there were SO many cringy and gross tasks in s11, I would've loved to see live reactions to that
@@technetium9653 Sugar also works to lower the freezing point of ice and thus help melt the ice. Some places use sugar beet juice to melt ice on roads as a more environmentally friendly option.
Josh actually might've finished the task even faster if he plugged the bathtub and poured salt onto the ice along with the water. Would've made a big saltwater bath that melted the ice even more quickly. Regardless, still quite impressive, and a fully-deserved 5 points.
Salt yes, plugging the bath, probably not. Chunking the ice a bit more thoroughly, definitely. Plugging the bath would have meant there would have been less room for the hot water he was using to melt the ice with. Though salt water can get a lot colder and still melt ice, that doesn't make up for the difference of being able to pour large volumes of room temperature or above water in a steady stream.
@@Ikajo I don't think so. Any water soluble chemicals will alter the freezing point of water, mostly lowering it, presumedly by altering the chemical symmetry involved in the formation of ice crystals. Water, as we should know composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Sugar is composed of those and carbon. Salt is composed of sodium and chloride. I don't remember the specifics, but iirc, basically when NaCl bonds with H2O, the free electrons that would form further bonds are occupied, and the compound is utterly stable. Sugar, on the other hand doesn't form molecular bonds particularly different from normal water. If I'm wrong about any of this please feel free to correct me. The tl;dr is that no, anger is far less effective at trying to melt ice/prevent the formation of ice.
3 years late to the party but hear me out hahahaha The way that ice was made is so that there are no bubbles trapped inside. It was perfectly clear as seen in the video. Therefore, submerging that ice in water (like say, the bathtub) will make it disappear.
To all the folks saying dumping a massive block of Ice in the river makes it disappear, have you all considered that ice floats? Its still one solid lump of ice that's visible from the shore. Check 8:27.
When Alex defined "dissappear" at 0:34, my initial reaction is to just cover it. Bury it, upsidedown bucket, or even just a blanket/towel. I hope a contestant does that.
It’s so hard to definite disappear in this context so throwing it in the river should count. They should have just said “make it all melt” cause it’s not even disappeared when people boiled it and stuff cause you could still see it just as water
Taskmaster is such a well constructed show. Even though they have a cast of funny people, the cast is often not critical to carrying the entertainment value of an episode. The tasks themselves are so unique and inherently comedic (well, not this task in particular) that the players can feel free to tryhard without ruining the show. There are other shows where a player who does well by the stated rules actually makes it less fun to watch, but it is rare to encounter that with Taskmaster.
If someone says: make this bar of chocolate disappear, and you just stand there, and in front of their eyes, break the bar into individual squares, have you actually made it disappear?
Ah, the old Romesh method of getting rid of things by immediately smashing them violently on the ground followed by surprise and/or regret at the debris 🤣
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Omg I was thinking the same thing. I would have turned to Alex and asked if he wanted to see a magic trick. Then I would go grab a thick blanket without any holes in it and I would return and drape it over the ice. When Alex says that the ice block is still there I would say it's out of sight out of mind. I made it disappear Alex. He would respond that it's just a blanket covering the ice block and I would say no it isn't, it's just a blanket covering an unknown object.
Am I the only person who would have either: 1. dug a hole and buried it since have a shovel. 2. put it inside and lock the door, PA can't get to it, so gone.
@@godhateseveryonewhodoesntr5977 This is show-business, so we are going to use "disappeared" like it's used in show-business. For example when you go to magic show then magicians can make stuff disappear, but it doesn't mean it can't be found. It doesn't even mean it is being moved. It can literally mean that a cloth is put over an object. Next time if you go to magic-show demand the right to search the object, otherwise claim it has not disappeared.
@@tarksurmani6335 But the viewers don't know where the object has gone. If a magician put a cloth over something and everyone can see the shape of the object, then it would be laughed at if the magician claimed it had disappeared and people would demand the cloth be lifted. Even with these tricks, it is necessary that the people don't know where things have dissapeared to. Maybe "can't be found" is a wrong way of saying it, I am more trying to say that if people don't know where it is, it has disappeared.
Mafia bosses agree that dumping something in a river makes it “disappear”
To be fair, when they throw something in the river, it's weighted with concrete blocks!
Matter cannot be created or destroyed, there fore the only way to physically make something disappear is if it disappears from vision. I’d say it was a legal play
@@CarburetorThompson _"Matter cannot be created or destroyed"_
Well, tecnically not entirely correct. Deuterium weights 2,01410175u, Tritium weighs 3,0160495u. In nuclear fusion one Deuterium and one Tritium atom can fuse into one Helium atom. A Helium atom weighs 4,002602u. So about 1u goes "missing". Well, it has transformed to Energy. As seen in probably the most well known Formula in Physics E=m*c² energy is just mass with attitude.
Though, there's room for further interpretation if it has disappeared at that point.
yea, i mean it's energy that can't be created or destroyed but we know what they mean-- unless they had a particle accelerator or a fusion reactor on hand, no new matter can be created
@@Asrashas yeah! The energy of an ice block floating down a river...
"I've already thought of three mistakes I made" was already a good self-burn but them Tim scorching Frank with "The tie?" was sublime lmao
I really thought a top to that would then him saying "four mistakes"...
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He asked, "What's disappeared?" And Alex replied, "When you can't see them anymore." Therefore out of sight is a valid method and he should have won.
That's why Alex stopped the clock. And then he left it up to the taskmaster to give points
@@Montewtf The real problem was that he was bad at arguing his case, and insulted the taskmaster.
I wonder if the taskmaster goes to a magic show and stands up in the middle of the show and says to the magician "you didn't actually make that object disappear, it still exists in this physical plane of reality even if I can't see where it's gone, you have not made anything disappear"
@@Meta-Drew well... In magic show you pretend object disappeared and there is no proof for otherwise as long as you don't interrupt show.
@@Meta-Drew If it was his magic show running under his rules, he absolutely could.
To be fair, at 0:33 he asks what it means for something to disappear, and the answer was "disappearing is when you can't see them anymore", so despite them joking afterwards that putting your hand behind a piece of paper means to "disappear", that DOES follow the definition given DURING the challenge. If you want to be extra secure about it, just wrap the whole block in a blanket or something and they can't even just walk around it anymore.
The issue here isn't actually the definition, the issue is that he really sucked at arguing and basically gave no defense. It's like a in a court, it doesn't matter how justified your actions are in regards to the law, if you don't even put up a defense.
The other thing is, it was a different contestant who asked what the definintion was, at the time he didn't clarify he just threw it in the river. I think if he had asked to clarify and then followed the definition to the letter they'd have given it to him😊
To be faaaaiir.....
He specifically said YOU. That could be argued to be singular and to refer to the asker only. So they could like, blindfold themselves... But assuming we take it as being a plural 'you' referring to an indefinite person in general then it would have to be that a human could not see it. Then we have the interpretation on whether a person could in theory see it if they were in the river or something or whether it depends on there being a person who is actually capable of seeing it at some point in time.
Honestly, the fact that they didn't allow throwing it into the river but did allow flushing an eraser for "completely erase this eraser" is dumb as all hell
The Taskmaster is a capricious dictator.
well yeah, alex couldn't see the eraser, but he could still see a block of ice in a river
@@daearthflatyeet2261 Right but like, Alex eventually lost sight and they still went "nah, it's probably still ice somewhere..." the eraser, they said to erase it, meaning to use it entirely, this said to make it disappear, meaning that once it's not visible anymore, then it's disappeared...
@@DisKorruptd The biggest thing is... the river was the closest one to actually yknow, dissapearing... melting the ice and covering basically the whole house in melted ice isnt really dissapeared now is it.
Its still there just water.
Plus their logic wasn't even entirely correct. Sure, one definition of "disappear" is to cease to exist, but the definition before that is literally to cease to be visible. Someone should tell them when a magician makes a rabbit disappear in a hat, the rabbit didn't actually cease to exist cause they must not understand object permanence.
That discussion about the ice being gone or not between Alex and Tim was so Monty Python
"Thats unrelated river ice"
“It disappeared”
“Well I still see it”
“I don’t”
@@choog2752 hh im
The Taskmaster Clinic:
"It's disappeared!"
"No it isn't!"
"Yes it is!"
Disappear doesn't mean gone. It means you can't see it.
When he chucks that ice block in the river. The guy on the other side is probably thinking:
"That's not how you fight global warming mate."
Futurama.. that's exactly how it was delt with😂
Can't fight something that doesn't exist :)
@@Schmorgus Cmon mate, don't be stupid
@@Schmorgus it's crazy to think that people still don't believe in global warming. Then I realize that most people are the type to never do any of their own research and instead just walk outside and say "its really cold today how can there be global warming dur dur dur."
@@kirk5649 especially when icebergs bigger than rhode isle are peeling off Antarctica, greenland is spewing ~268 metric tons of freshwater causing sea level rise, the slowing of ocean currents, the major flooding on islands at sea level, the plea to the UN to do something before 1.5 C warmed, the ships in the arctic getting through without icebreakers, the global bleaching of coral reafs and so many other examples.
"Ice-sculpture. I call this one Hope"
because it's disapearing with every second
That is a reference to one of her appaerences in 8oo10CdC, I think
@@luciadilazzaro2285 yeah, it was Taupe
@@alanacastillo90 Toupee with an a
The baked beans prank is maybe the best thing I've ever seen on the show.
DID NOBODY ELSE DO THAT?!
Later they made him count individual pieces of pasta in maccaroni and then... rice grains in a bag of rice xd
The funny thing is, when I saw the prompt, my first thought was to take it to a bridge and drop it in a river. That is very much making it disappear. The guy that dumped it in the river is the People's Champion of this challenge.
I was thinking of using large amounts of salt to melt it.
I thought of that, or chucking it into a sewer (or break it up and drop it in)
That whole river scene felt like a Monty Python bit.
Throwing it in the river like a body was my first thought...
Bruh so true
@bilisha coli Exactly, we let stage magicians disappear things all the time, but they don't truly destroy the thing, just hide it away for a while
dead parrot 2.0.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Step one: "Hey alex can you boil me up some water?"
Step two: While alex is in house throw ice block into trash can or hedge/over fence
Step three: done
Step one: "Hey Alex can you close your eyes?"
Done.
@@WoodlandDrake i thought of that too! hide and seek with alex
I would have chucked it over the hedge, but it's not a very funny solution. Tim should have had the point, though.
But the cameras are rolling, in the end it’s not up to Alex if he gets a point or not
Then Greg would just say the same thing he said about the ice in the river.
Imagine being on the Task Master clean up crew, must be a special type of hell.
I'm thinking of Bob Mortimer's mess.
@@qwertyTRiG but what you can’t deny, is that Bob had a lovely time~
Especially trying to find the bugger from the river, some fokin polarbear might choke on it
@@thegamingbro123 That is absolutely true. And now I really want to see Bob and Mike working together on something.
Or the prep crew - the ones that had to prepare the balloon morse code five times straight for s3... Or prepare the 50 socks for s7 satsuma task
Don't know why I'm so pissed they didn't give it to the guy who threw it in the water. Cease to exist is a definition of disappear as well as "cease to be visible" or something that is lost or has gone missing.
Honestly deciding whether or not to award points on semantics or just because he feels like it is part of the show, the contestants know it can happen when they try to be clever.
@@chrisb.1718 That's something innately frustrating to me. I totally get that and I don't believe for a second that these professional TV personalities actually try to win these fake competitions. The competitions are a vessel for entertainment and absolutely nothing more.
I always subconsciously want the games to be fair and for them to try to beat tasks efficiently but in the end the show works just the way it is.
Also people bombarding the comments with how it should've been is just what the algorithm wants to see..
Once it disappeared into the river I'll give it, but Tim was absolutely insufferable when pleading his case.
That was on Tim at that point. He had a perfect case to say it disappeared, but he didn't argue it worth a damn. When it comes to the judging - it comes down to making your case half the time - and when you make a great case, Greg happily gives you your due points, but if you don't make a good case he will give you points based on what the other contestants did. Tim had that win - he had it, he just didn't argue his point effectively.
The issue is that Ice floats in water, so it was still visible.
Josh being made to casually count beans was top notch
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My name is Tim... the 3rd book i wood read is Timothy.... wilst counting beans then eat the whole thing.... beans beans the magical fruit... the more you eat the more you toot...
@@jamesmayle3787piss off nobody cares Jesus is fake
I always love it when Alex helpfully provides insight that isn’t actually enlightening at all.
Does anyone else think Alex is Mark Gatiss' younger brother?
Just for the record, when a magician disappears, he doesn't actually sublimate into a wisp of smoke. Vision is the criteria for (dis)appearance. The river should have gotten first place.
Sure, but he doesn't slowly walk away, saying "I'm disappearrrinnnnnggg.....".
Should have put a towel over the ice
There's a slight difference between banish & dissappear though,, the nativity vanishes! I generally don't like Tim's cheating, but thought of this & boiling water myself, do think the time should've been taken! It is in the river, but still visible as a separate block
@@Rerbun I thought of chucking it over the wall or in the bin/ down the drain
And when they all melted the ice, you could still see the water. None of the other people actually made it disappear
"Uncharacteristically competent" is such a class backhanded compliment. Beautiful.
Edit: I think Joe Thomas would have approved of the effort Josh Widdicombe put into winning this.
I think he would've approved of all of them except Tim Key
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Josh even tells his teammates to “put some fucking effort in” during the bed making task
Literally nothing complimentary about this at all.
The solo tasks for Josh are what solidified Taskmaster as such an iconic show.
Gotta give the guy who smashed it some style points though, as much as melting it out in hot water was efficient... We all wanted to watch these people smash a block of ice into powder.
IT'S GONE MATE!
The desperation, the human drama, crash after a misplaced high of confidence, the emotion, damn I love this show.
The thing is, there are two definitions of "disappeared" and only one of them is satisfied by the end of the 13 minutes.
The spirit of the show is playing with definitions and thinking of good work arounds. If they had wished no one to attempt hiding it then they should have specified that they wanted it destroyed.
the task wasn't "melt this ice block" it was "make it disappear".
Yes well done
I would’ve just closed my eyes
@@yen5625 that’s not it disappearing, that’s you not seeing it
Cover it with a box
Yeah the disappearing logic seemed a bit flawed. But here's a thought...they had a shovel...if the soil is soft, bury it nearby.
River guy should have won. If they are going to be that literal about it “disappearing,” everyone else should have slurped up the left over water cause I still saw it.
If had put the ice block in a sack, full of enough weights to make it sink, then tossed it in the river, I'd agree. Come to think of it, if he'd put the ice block in a sack right there in the yard, and declared job done, I'd also agree.
Water isn't ice. They were not tasked to make a block of water disappear.
@@jacobnorris8256 ice is literally water
@@CarstenReg Yet water isn't ice. That connection only goes one way. Water is the nickname for H20, wheras ice is the nickname for H20 specifically in solid form. If it's no longer in solid form, then it's no longer ice.
A parrot being a bird obviously doesn't mean that birds are parrots.
It was make the "block of ICE" disappear, not make the matter disappear.
the river idea is on point but Key forgot that the mafia bosses also ad stones to the things they are trying to make desapear in the river, a few rocks on top of that block of ice and bam! vanished
On top?
"Make this ice block disappear as quickly as possible." Greg interpreted this to mean completely melt the ice, and of course he can change any interpretation, but this is contrary to rest of the previous tasks and shows. Why not make the task, "melt the ice?" To make it disappear, they could have dug a hole, and buried it. They could have called a taxi and had it driven away. Definition of disappear: "to cause (something) to pass out of existence, possession, or view." To change the state from solid to liquid is not even in the definition, so I think his interpretation is preposterous. Technically, the ice was still present for all of the others (just in liquid form) with possible the exception of Josh, his went down the drain. The river was the best solution in my opinion.
nerd
clearly, the only solution was to drop into a hadron collider, so that over innumerable operational cycles the water molecules would cease to exist entirely
@@mica8701 dpsht
@@-DMD- bro its been 11 months, i don't think mike minds
The best solution would love been smashing it and then being done. Afterwards it's no longer a block of ice, it's a bunch of ice shards. To the block is out of existance
“Did no one else do that?! Are you joking?!” 😂 My sides.
There is more. He did like 2 or 3 own tasks. I think "individual tasks" should bring a compilation video of all of them
There were a few 2-3 season I believe
@@SomeNiceMovies there's already an individual task comp somewhere in the channel IIRC
@@SomeNiceMovies I believe he counted a couple other things in cans, and got completely pissed off when he figured out he was the only one. It was pretty funny.
he was actually sooo mad about that
"How was Josh better than Frank?" "He melted it quicker" comedy at its finest
I'm surprised nobody just took their jackets off and covered it up saying "it disappeared"
One definition of disappear is "no longer visible". A jacket would do that.
That is literally the first thing I thought about doing
@@RandomFlyingPotato no disappeared means its not there anymorr
Alex would just move the jacket lol
@@somerandomnoob100 draw a face on it, then defend it from alex. if he tries to touch it, accuse alex of touching your jacket-friend without it's consent.
I LOVE Frank's "I've never done ice in the oven before". I've never done it either, Frank! 😂
My first thought was to stand in front of the block and hide it behind myself.
But then I thought, the task is to make the block of ice disappear, and there's a saw sitting right next to it. If you saw the ice into two pieces, you've created two new blocks of ice and the original block of ice has disappeared.
In my head I took this nonsense logic a step further in just presenting them with the question of “is it still the same block of ice even though 1 milliliter has melted off since the task began?”
I think that was the point though - they could have literally done anything - while others thought it meant melt it to make it disappear entirely because once it was water, it was no longer ice, so it was gone. Tim's was a legit win - but not argued effectively so it lost. Plus he insulted Greg in the process. As long as it was no longer a block of ice - or out of sight, you could call it disappeared, you just had to argue your case against Greg (and the other contestants).
The task was "make it disappear" not "make it melt" if something moves out of sight then it has disappeared. Shit, going inside and grabbing a blanket to throw over it should have given someone the win.
Especially after Alex says disappear means you can't see it anymore. I know this was filmed a while ago but this task was one of the greatest injustices in Taskmaster!
I mean the ice itself technically disappeared, water is not ice.
@@Reijvi I'm not saying that melting it shouldn't count as a correct answer, just that making it "no longer visible" is also making it disappear and thus should have counted.
@@michaelmaguire4147 I agree. If a magician sat in front of Greg with three cups, and he puts a ball into one cup, slides them around a bit and then shows that the ball is gone, would Greg be like, "It didn't disappear though did it?" Like yeah it's up the magician's sleeve, but everyone knows he disappeared that ball
@@k1rbyguy So by that logic everytime you blink the world just dissapears.
"Once it's in the river it's gone, mate!"
...well... obviously, many people think that way, because look at Thames.
But also, it obviously doesn't work that way, because look at Thames.
@vbddfy euuyt Person diving into Thames wouldn't have time to hit the ice - they'll probably dissolve before hitting water.
I know Josh got one point for counting the beans that secured him the championship in the end, but I was rooting for Romesh throughout. He brought such wonderful feral energy to the tasks. I’m still hoping he might return for a one-off someday
Feral? As in third world rapist? Bigot!
@@HellsYeah8 oh No you're twisting his words.. I believe he just thinks of black people as a type of feral animal.
I guess that's still racist, innit.
Ah, good old tree wizard
I wonder what would have happened if someone told Alex to get something from the house and then just hid the block of ice somewhere.
My first thought was to dig a hole and drop it in and cover it. This is the certified family friendly way for parents to may things disappear
I literally was thinking “just step in front of it guys” if it reappears after the task is over that doesn’t mean it hasn’t disappeared. Cover it with a blanket! Appearances are everything!
And here I am, thinking I am clever because I thought "Well, just put salt on it."
I would have covered it in baked beans.
Lmfao dammit I just commented this too thinking I was clever 🤣
How does covering something equals dissapear, i mean you can fool a child with that joke but that's not how the definition works, do you seriously think the entire world dissapears when you're not looking at? Or that your body dissapears behind your clothes when you're wearing them?
@@unmorcipan the literal definition of “disappear” is “cease to be visible” which in all honesty is pretty vague and open ended. When a magician makes an object “disappear” all he’s really doing is hiding the object from view of the audience. So yes, even though it’s not super effective, simply covering or blocking something from view does absolutely count.
Don’t forget, this show is extremely open ended with how the player interprets the instructions.
Before the end of the video I thought to myself "Just throw it in a river, then it will disappear", only to find out someone else thought about it and got disqualified.
That's only because he argued his case ineffectively. If he had made a great case, Greg would have given him the win, hands down.
The proper and most efficient way to have gone about this task would have been to sacrifice a lamb, tie the carcass to the block of ice, and wait for a really large eagle to swoop down and carry the block away into the vast London horizon. 5 points, easy peasy.
Bit that wouldn't have made it disappeare. As alex would say for someone there it might would have been just "appeared" 😂😂
@@amberagarwal8396 Ahh yes, for someone there it might would have been just appeared. Classic.
... are there eagles in London?
Alright Bob Mortimer
@@brettreed2633 That's what the sacrifice is for
That block of ice is clear ice.. You could probably carefully bringing into the tub and cover it with cold water then use Alex's own definition of disappear (When you can't see it) against him. (Cold water to prevent it from cracking and being visible)
'till Romesh, i wondered why no one used salt, combined with heat to melt it quicker. Unfortunately he did id in a such a long time. Eh... It was still fun to see them all trying ;-)
Tim and Alex's river convo sounds like a Monty Python sketch
"It's dead"
"No it isn't"
"If it weren't nailed to the perch it would have been pushing up daisies."
"It's just sleeping."
"He's dead."
"I'm not dead yet."
"He says he's not dead."
"Well he will be soon."
I feel like this challenge was brought down to simple semantics of what "disappear" really means.
Nobody thought about what it is that should dissappear. The block of ice strictly speaking disappeared the moment they smashed the block. Afterwards it was just ice pieces, no longer a block.
@@9SMTM6 Exactly. They just had to effectively make thier case to Greg who would have happily given them thier due points.
Imagine someone wants to take a dive in the river, so they throw themselves off a bridge and hit their head on the ice, that’s it mate, death by random ice.
You shouldn’t be diving in rivers anyway. They’re often more shallow than they appear. No ice and you could still bash your head against some rocks hard enough to knock you out so that you drown as the river takes you downstream. Not worth.
this brought a beautiful image in my head
He got iced
For the baked beans one, I would use a trick that I use to count large numbers of objects. Count out 10, put 9 into a container and leave one aside, that way when you are done counting, you count the ones on the side by 10 and then add the left overs.
What??
The way you phrase that makes it sound like you’re just counting them then adding the 10 you removed at the start xd
@@kingtreedede7303I think he is joking, just that he is bad at the delivery. This is exactly the same joke key and peele gave in the counting money skit, the joke being that it doesn't help at all and is not in fact a trick 😂
If he defines not see the ice as it disappearing, throw a blanket over Alex’s head and say, “You can’t see it anymore, therefore, it’s disappeared.”
There's a reason why Tim is still a task consultant on the show.
Yeah he drinks with Alex in a bar
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@@jamesmayle3787buddy you're in the wrong place
@@jamesmayle3787 If you try and live by the combination of both the old and new testaments, and follow them literally you will have severe cognitive dissonance.
@godofallthingsandall not at all. That's from never reading both. The old testament sets the law, Jesus Christ compltes the law. Example, we're supposed to stone sinners. but when? after the sinless man. Who's he? Jesus Christ. When does he stone sinners? At eternal judgment, aka after our first life on earth. He sees and knows every sin, determines who's guilty, and executes judgment. After him, the next dude in line casts stones. Literally, Christ casts them into hell, then Christians kick them forever. Hell staggers into layers. Those above beat those below. Sin determines where we fall in that system. It's only after living a complte life with our free will where we're judged.
It isn't hard to understand. Just nobody reads the Bible. Everyone thinks they know because they went to church when they were children. Church doesn't teach the important bits. There is actually a self study requirement God keeps secert to see who cares and is trying. Three books bare minimum you're expected to read yourself, genesis, Mathew, and one you chose yourself. Literally, mandatory. Church doesn't teach that. Church is about community, having a place to help and be helped by others, setting a foundation for children to grow right. You're expected to put in personal effort.
Alex in series 1: "We were a great team."
Alex in series 10: "We? I'm not liking this "we" stuff."
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@@jamesmayle3787 HOW DOES THAT HELP WITH THE BLOCK O ICE M8.
Josh's baked beans challenge though... :)
This is my favorite gag through the whole series and I feel like it went completely under the radar.
0:56 If he had said "Four" in a dejected tone I would have lost it
Smash the block of ice. No longer block of ice, but chunks of ice. Block of ice has disappeared.
never seen this before, seems like one of the hosts was actually on board with the "the ice block isnt here anymore" kinda bs since he literally asked at 0:37 "do you want it melted"
This irked me so bad when I first saw this task! Alex even says the definition loosely that 'it cannot be seen.'
Greg: Just because you didn't see it, does that mean its disappeared?
Yes Greg, that is literally the definition. I swear I love this show, but either embrace people going out of the box, or don't. but the inconsistency is annoying.
Tossing it in the river should have been the winner here. If a magician makes a rabbit disappear, it doesn't mean he's burnt the thing to a crisp so it doesn't exist. He's simply moved it to a place where you can't see it anymore. Moving the ice to a place where it can't be seen definitely fits within the task of making it disappear.
They're fine with you going outside the box so long as you provide footage to fill the time. It's all about getting comedians to perform a task to show on television. Throwing a block of ice into a river does not make for intriguing television.
@@Keltix1991 exactly
@@mister-8658 the other contestants can more than make up time doing their own silly nonsense.
There was a similar argument in one of the later series, where the task was to 'Completely erase this eraser', and two or three of them flushed it down the toilet.
That was accepted, even though it was definitely not erasing it and was incredibly boring.
So like...my first impulse would be to blow it up, and then I thought..."Wait, no, that's probably not the best way to go about it" but then I googled fastest way to melt ice, and apparently science agreed with me but stated its quite illegal.
@Rain spirit I think that very much depends on the amount of explosives you use, now doesn't it?
“Sadly for you I am a child whose in charge of this fucking show” I absolutely love when they bicker with each other and talk shit 🤣
When magicians make things disappear, they don't have to melt everything, I think throwing into the river was very valid. Actually he's the only one who made the ice disappear, everyone else melted it but you can still see it, it just changed forms.
No they made it disappear, Ice is frozen water - frozen water is ice. Cold water, is cold water. Hot water is hot water. Hot water is not ice. Cold water is not ice. Ice is not cold water and ice is not hot water. Therefore - water is not ice unless frozen, though ice is water but frozen. So melted ice is cold or hot water and no longer ice. So it has disappeared. The win could have gone to Tim, who threw it in the river though - if he had used the magicians logic, that make it disappear was to make it vanish from view, so once it was out of sight, it had disappeared, but he just made his case very poorly.
I totally agree with it "disappearing" down the river. We say "disappear" all the time for just being out of sight.
Then why not ask everyone (+ cameras) to face away from the ice block? Technically its out of sight
"disappear" implies you can't see it, not that you don't see it at the moment, so if the crew can turn around and see it it's not disappeared, but after a moment i doubt they'd find the ice in the river
Exactly, it would be entirely normal to say your cat disappeared when they're suddenly gone and you can't easily spot them, but you wouldn't assume someone's cat is dead and completely decomposed if someone told you that. Completely gone out of easy sight is a valid definition
Love how Romesh's idea of handling things is bonk to the ground (even for the watermelon challenge)
Honestly I was really surprised just how hard it was to melt a block of ice that size. Really thought the oven in particular would've done it.
There are three factors why it is not. First, air is a terrible heat conductor compared to a hot stream of water. Second, the melting depends on the surface of the ice (yes crashing is a good strategy), so it will take a lot of time to melt ice's core. Third and last, the bill is quite expensive 😂
When you look at that block, that's easily 20kg of ice or 20l of water. A frozen pizza has around 300g, if you put an (absolute) casserole in the oven, that might go up to 2kg but it will take a while to heat up. Now instead of heating something from 20°C to 60°C, it's instead from -10°C to 0°C, but given that the mass is around tenfold and the transformation from solid to liquid takes a lot of extra energy, it makes sense. It's not intuitive, you're right, but anyone who's ever cooked a frozen turkey in the oven will have an idea of how long it takes.
Also the oven wasn't actually hot yet when he turned it on, so it would've taken a moment for it to start heating up :p
The specific heat capacity of water is 4200 Joules/kg
Assuming that is 10kg, that's 42kJ
1kJ is 0.28 Wh
So 42x 0.28 that's 11.76Wh
A standard UK oven is 2kW - 2.2kW (so running for an hour would be 2kWh - 2.2kWh)
So assuming that you only need to raise it's temperature by 1 degree, that the ice is actually 10kg and that the oven is 2.2kW then it would need about 5hours to melt the ice in an isolated system.
Now the chunk he put in wasn't that big, but still the ice was probably at -10C so it would take 10x more energy, or same energy 10x the time.
Before the refrigerator was a thing people where transporting ice from the poles to the south and it was keeping things cool for weeks.
Edit: also you are limited by the surface area as well, since the heat can only get in by the surface, more surface area faster melting, so if you don't break the ice, might take even longer by the loss of efficiency getting that heat into the ice
@@Rok_Satanas Specific heat capacity of ice is half that of water, though, but the extra melting heat (heat required to melt it) outweighs all that calculation by an order of magnitude.
One could argue that the river was the only one that did disappear because all the others did was changed it's state from ice to water but it's still there!!
*ice appearing downstream*
"See, you didn't make it disappear!"
"Oh yes I did, I'm just the only one who also made it reappear!" 😂
This is a good indication of the 1st series as a whole. Roisin is commended for doing something surprisingly competent, yet people still complain about her cleverly getting Alex to help, Tim argues with the Taskmaster, and Josh does something for no reward, but still wins
*And Romesh smashes the shit out of it.*
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@@jamesmayle3787 You alright there mate? Taken a turn at the left of the BBC somewhere?
I miss when they showed clips of contestants' reactions to the tasks
Yes!!! I kinda only fully realized they stopped doing that when I read your comment. I agree!
and it's not like they show less, they completely got rid of it. Even if COVID hinders group shots, I'm sure some individual reactions would make current series far better. Maybe contestants don't emote as much while watching without audience present but there were SO many cringy and gross tasks in s11, I would've loved to see live reactions to that
It would've been so funny to see the "cheerky smile" Lee gave to Mike during the salt task and see him completely destroyed when it was sugar
@@technetium9653 Sugar also works to lower the freezing point of ice and thus help melt the ice. Some places use sugar beet juice to melt ice on roads as a more environmentally friendly option.
@@anam00090 but they stopped showing the contestants even before COVID, so I don't think it's because of the social distance
Josh actually might've finished the task even faster if he plugged the bathtub and poured salt onto the ice along with the water. Would've made a big saltwater bath that melted the ice even more quickly. Regardless, still quite impressive, and a fully-deserved 5 points.
Salt yes, plugging the bath, probably not. Chunking the ice a bit more thoroughly, definitely.
Plugging the bath would have meant there would have been less room for the hot water he was using to melt the ice with. Though salt water can get a lot colder and still melt ice, that doesn't make up for the difference of being able to pour large volumes of room temperature or above water in a steady stream.
They had huge packets of salt right on the counter too
Isn't sugar more effective for melting ice?
@@Ikajo I don't think so. Any water soluble chemicals will alter the freezing point of water, mostly lowering it, presumedly by altering the chemical symmetry involved in the formation of ice crystals. Water, as we should know composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Sugar is composed of those and carbon. Salt is composed of sodium and chloride. I don't remember the specifics, but iirc, basically when NaCl bonds with H2O, the free electrons that would form further bonds are occupied, and the compound is utterly stable.
Sugar, on the other hand doesn't form molecular bonds particularly different from normal water.
If I'm wrong about any of this please feel free to correct me. The tl;dr is that no, anger is far less effective at trying to melt ice/prevent the formation of ice.
I was thinking salt, water, hammer and a spike or chisel or something
3 years late to the party but hear me out hahahaha
The way that ice was made is so that there are no bubbles trapped inside. It was perfectly clear as seen in the video. Therefore, submerging that ice in water (like say, the bathtub) will make it disappear.
To all the folks saying dumping a massive block of Ice in the river makes it disappear, have you all considered that ice floats?
Its still one solid lump of ice that's visible from the shore. Check 8:27.
Tim Key lobbing the block into the river…. Highlight.
It "disappeared" from view.
@@syncopatedsock After a while, turns out that ice floats.
@@TheGerm24 Amazing isn't it? Should tell the captain of the Titanic about that, so they can avoid that Iceberg.
The last time I was so early Ramesh was still doing his tasks
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When Alex defined "dissappear" at 0:34, my initial reaction is to just cover it. Bury it, upsidedown bucket, or even just a blanket/towel. I hope a contestant does that.
Probably would've worked better than river, to be fair, at least you can reasonably claim that it can only be seen with intent, not by accident
@@MrCh0o Yeah, and at the very least you can melt it under the blanket so it's not there at the end of the hour.
Sadly nobody thought about that now that you mention it
It’s so hard to definite disappear in this context so throwing it in the river should count. They should have just said “make it all melt” cause it’s not even disappeared when people boiled it and stuff cause you could still see it just as water
i love that tim looks to roisin for help at 9:20 and she just kicks him while he’s down
Spent a lot of this one yelling "throw it over the hedge" or "HEDGE. THERE."
"Make this ice block disappear as fast as possible"
Just break it once, then it's no longer a block
My thought exactly
I'm surprised no one tried arguing that
I agree
But then you have the 2 parts of the ice block still not disappeared.
@@OmniscientWarrior Still not a block
"I can still see it."
"No, you can see *them*."
As soon as I saw the salt, it clicked on how to speed up the melting.
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08:50 That discussion reminds a lot of Monty Python's and the parrot sketch :)
tbh, you could just never read the "the time starts now" part, because then the time never starts, so you'd pretty much finish the challenge instantly
Wow, it's so strange to see them all sitting so close together...
And having an audience
dude just putting it in a shed/room and locking it would work - SHROEDINGER'S ICE BLOCK!!!
But then we are to consider it both disappeared and not disappeared till the shed it opened.
I can’t be the only one that would just hide it
My mind went "grab shovel, quickly dig hole, throw in block, cover up, done"
The definition of disappear is "ceasing it to be visible" he couldnt see it anymore when it went down the river SO HE DID IT
dissapear :be lost or go missing; become impossible to find.
I'm surprised no one flushed pieces down the toilet
That's a big toilet
@@dominicgamboa2554 He means shattering the ice, then putting the shards in the toilet
"I imagine this is what it's like on the set of Frozen" like... how?? lmao
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Taskmaster is such a well constructed show. Even though they have a cast of funny people, the cast is often not critical to carrying the entertainment value of an episode. The tasks themselves are so unique and inherently comedic (well, not this task in particular) that the players can feel free to tryhard without ruining the show. There are other shows where a player who does well by the stated rules actually makes it less fun to watch, but it is rare to encounter that with Taskmaster.
disappear: cease to be visible
thus, too far to see=no longer visible
Could have just smash it.
The task was "Make this BLOCK of ice disappear."
The block will disappear. All that is left are smaller pieces of ice.
If someone says: make this bar of chocolate disappear, and you just stand there, and in front of their eyes, break the bar into individual squares, have you actually made it disappear?
@@notAshildr But by that line of reasoning if you melt it, and it's now a puddle of chocolate (or water) it hasn't disappeared either.
@@notAshildr Agree, but if you throw it on a thrash bin and take the thrash out... It disappeared.
Or flushing it out.
@@notAshildr Anyway, Ashildr, do you still have the immortality chip?
throw a blanket over it
"can you see the ice block alex?"
"No."
"So it's disappeared then?"
"Yup."
Ah, the old Romesh method of getting rid of things by immediately smashing them violently on the ground followed by surprise and/or regret at the debris 🤣
I really like how they don't censor swear words in UK channel, makes it more fun!
I have to agree with the one guy. It floated down the river and couldn't be seen any longer.
Another alternative would've been to bury it.
Roisin is always so good at delegating her task duties 😂
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I'd just find a blanket to put over it
I would have just made Alex give me his jacket
But they would still say the block is in there.
Perhaps if you broke it so they can't say it is there? Or throw it in a thrash bin?
I think as long as Alex didn't know where it went it would count. So just distract him. :P
Omg I was thinking the same thing. I would have turned to Alex and asked if he wanted to see a magic trick. Then I would go grab a thick blanket without any holes in it and I would return and drape it over the ice. When Alex says that the ice block is still there I would say it's out of sight out of mind. I made it disappear Alex. He would respond that it's just a blanket covering the ice block and I would say no it isn't, it's just a blanket covering an unknown object.
Or I would just toss it down a storm drain.
Am I the only person who would have either:
1. dug a hole and buried it since have a shovel.
2. put it inside and lock the door, PA can't get to it, so gone.
My first thought was also burying it!
Put it in a black bag.
The objective is too vague. "When it has disappeared" Ok, put a sheet over it, can you see it now? No? Ok, it's disappeared.
drop it in a well or bury it in a hole? chuck it in your cellar and bar the assistant from entering?
I'd say if it can't be found, it has dissapeared
@@godhateseveryonewhodoesntr5977 disappeared means can't be seen.
@@godhateseveryonewhodoesntr5977 This is show-business, so we are going to use "disappeared" like it's used in show-business. For example when you go to magic show then magicians can make stuff disappear, but it doesn't mean it can't be found. It doesn't even mean it is being moved. It can literally mean that a cloth is put over an object.
Next time if you go to magic-show demand the right to search the object, otherwise claim it has not disappeared.
@@tarksurmani6335
But the viewers don't know where the object has gone. If a magician put a cloth over something and everyone can see the shape of the object, then it would be laughed at if the magician claimed it had disappeared and people would demand the cloth be lifted. Even with these tricks, it is necessary that the people don't know where things have dissapeared to. Maybe "can't be found" is a wrong way of saying it, I am more trying to say that if people don't know where it is, it has disappeared.
You know, for the baked beans in a can challenge, they could've just ate all the beans and then counted it as zero. This is what I would've done.
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Tim made the ice disappear like a mob boss would.
Josh's baked beans intermission was pretty funny
My first instinct was "smash.. no cover it in a towel"
Then it became "diggy diggy hole"
I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole
Diggy diggy hole
The fact that nobody thought to just put a blanket over it is beyond me.
Id just cover it with a blanket. If you cant see it, it disappeared.