Big opportunity for BYD to use the partnership with Mercedes Benz to develop Denza as a premium brand. The Tang has great potential but has budget materials, poor ride and lacks refinement. It is odd that BYD did not address those issues for the Denza version. Premium interior materials, more sound deadening and premium dampers could be fitted. ☮️
You must be talking of the pre-2021/22 Tang then, because the updated Tang EV has a much better interior and a very nice ride quality. I can't say it lacks any refinement other than in the terms of software and roadnoise
Thanks for the video, you all! I would love to see a list of the best Chinese-market cars in each category, as I think that would give folks outside of the CDM a better idea of the heavy-hitters in China.
3:42 Not exactly, the Tang had a 2.0T gas version with this kind of side profile too. It was just rather obscure because the hybrid/EV versions sold better.
Wheelboys having fun review EVs n other Chinese cars. What a refreshing take on car reviews...I am getting very bored of looking at cars here in the U.S
Honestly, I definitely prefer the BYD Tang to this thing. It looks more balanced and... Honest. This Densa doesnt seem to have anything favorable appart from the badge compared to the BYD. Its like a Cimarron By Cadillac... Densa X By Mercedes-Benz
Love your videos. The spotting tour you did with Walkabout Rojo is one of my favorites. Are you thinking of doing any more long form content outside of the chats? Thanks!
Glad you liked my video with Rojo! He’s a really nice guy, had a great time filming with him. No plans for long form content as of now, but it’s always good to know that there is demand for it!
There are some misunderstanding , you can EXPORT car to china as a 100% foreign-funded firms , but if foreign-funded firms want PRODUCE car in china you need est a JV company with chinese local car maker ,as chinese called "Market for technology". But In 2018 Tesla set the 1st 100% foreign-funded firms that produce car in china, and then Ministry of Industry and Information Technology of china decide after 1/1/2022 foreigner can set 100% foreign owned company that produce car in china ,and there already 4 companys TESLA ,SCANIA ,VOLVO TRACK, and Hyundai.
smart brand now is a joint-investment company 50 50 by geely and mercedes . smart#1 design by Maercedes ,produce at Xi An factory of Geely use Volvo(own by Geely) SEA platform. what a internationalize car 😂😂😂😂
That mashup at least makes more sense. Geely only does the platform and drivetrain while Mercedes does the interior and exterior. This Denza is much mroe awkward since 90% plus of the car is just a BYD Tang, and even if Merc was giving it a good try, it would have been hard to make it that premium. Better to start out with a clean sheet joing venture like with the new Smart EV.
@@tren133 mercedes hold just 10% share of Denza , but Geely's chairman shufu li is single Largest shareholder of Daimler AG which is mother company of Mercedes. that is the diifrence .
If Chinese car makers need foreign expertise to succeed, how do you explain the success of Great Wall Motor which never has JV with foreign car makers?
Denza est at 2010 .at that time BYD 's reputation in automotive industry is a joke . You can think the Denza brand as efforts of BYD to establish a luxury brand use Benz 's reputation and finally doomed.
@@backwoodsbungalow9674 Yes and no, as it’s only mandatory to set up a joint ventures in China - but a deal to rebadge local vehicles had been almost unheard of. Mercedes’s local partner, BAIC, has been faithfully pumping out localized (i.e. elongated) Mercedes models from the A class to the E class since 2005, while BYD really hadn’t much link to the Germans. Which means the Denza really is a bit of an oddball. Maybe both sides saw genuine need to corporate at the time.
Foreign manufacturers were forced to form joint ventures with local companies in the past, but last year it is no longer mandatory because of WTO rules. Foreign companies now can form their own 100% owned company. Some companies like BMW bought out their chinese partner and Tesla has setup up its 100% owned company in China as well.
Haha, yeah I was going to make this comment. Mercedes make ok looking cars but if you want something stylish go to a somewhere like Italdesign or Pininfarina . Probably just a cynical cash in on the Mercedes name, con gullible buyers into thinking the car is worth 7k more because someone stuck a Mercedes badge on it.
So disappointing. You opened this episode with an myth that Chinese government asked foreign companies for JV brands in 2009. Please provide evidence that Chinese government did such thing. If your claim is true, why didn't VW-FAW or VW-SAIC establish JV brands? VW Faw only spin off Jetta brand near 2020. Toyota-FAW or Toyota-GAC have no JV brands either. The only such JV brands I can think of is Nissan-DongFeng JV establishing Venucia brand. If Chinese government was firmly asking foreign carmakers for JV brands, why did only few carmakers do so? Again, please provide evidence. Otherwise you are spreading fake news.
Dude are you Mad or just Blind?!!! Those wheels look amazing but you said they are least interesting to look at. They have a bit of Diablo esque look if u look at other EVs, this is a far better look. Lemme know if anyone agrees or disagrees with me
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the small Mercedes badge on the hood is honestly a beautiful touch
Great job! As a Chinese, this is my first time to learn why denza was created.
Personally, I don’t see much of a future for this brand.
Big opportunity for BYD to use the partnership with Mercedes Benz to develop Denza as a premium brand. The Tang has great potential but has budget materials, poor ride and lacks refinement. It is odd that BYD did not address those issues for the Denza version. Premium interior materials, more sound deadening and premium dampers could be fitted. ☮️
Because it’s just a money grab lol
You must be talking of the pre-2021/22 Tang then, because the updated Tang EV has a much better interior and a very nice ride quality. I can't say it lacks any refinement other than in the terms of software and roadnoise
Video glitches at 3:52 by the way.
lmao i thought my computer was having a problem
@@vong6420 Same here..lmao
Had to edit two different takes together due to sound issues, obviously not ideal.
Thanks for the explanation on how the joint ventures came to be!
Thanks for the video, you all! I would love to see a list of the best Chinese-market cars in each category, as I think that would give folks outside of the CDM a better idea of the heavy-hitters in China.
now that byd owns 90% of this company, Denza finally has a chance to do something worthwhile.
I'm still hoping you do a review of the "new" tang to compare with the old one ... it's been what? 2 years?
3:42 Not exactly, the Tang had a 2.0T gas version with this kind of side profile too. It was just rather obscure because the hybrid/EV versions sold better.
Wheelboys having fun review EVs n other Chinese cars. What a refreshing take on car reviews...I am getting very bored of looking at cars here in the U.S
Honestly, I definitely prefer the BYD Tang to this thing. It looks more balanced and... Honest. This Densa doesnt seem to have anything favorable appart from the badge compared to the BYD. Its like a Cimarron By Cadillac... Densa X By Mercedes-Benz
One of the nicest modern Mercedes designs I've seen.
Love your videos. The spotting tour you did with Walkabout Rojo is one of my favorites. Are you thinking of doing any more long form content outside of the chats? Thanks!
Glad you liked my video with Rojo! He’s a really nice guy, had a great time filming with him. No plans for long form content as of now, but it’s always good to know that there is demand for it!
Some editing or uploading hiccups at 3:50?
Can you please review the most recent version of the BYD Tang EV?
It has changed a lot compared to the ones you have reviewed in the channel.
I highly recommend you to test drive an all new tang DM-p six seats version.
I second that. I've got the '21 Tang with 7 seats. Seems like a big update to the 2020 PHEV he drove. Great car.
@@discoking7188 Huge update.
Can you review the Smart #1 ?
Since Mercedes Benz luxury vehicles have the least style today, why would anyone want a car styled by their stylists?
Funny how their youtube channel says they are located in the US but their domain is registered in China...
Looks like the early model of Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV
There are some misunderstanding , you can EXPORT car to china as a 100% foreign-funded firms , but if foreign-funded firms want PRODUCE car in china you need est a JV company with chinese local car maker ,as chinese called "Market for technology".
But In 2018 Tesla set the 1st 100% foreign-funded firms that produce car in china, and then Ministry of Industry and Information Technology of china decide after 1/1/2022 foreigner can set 100% foreign owned company that produce car in china ,and there already 4 companys TESLA ,SCANIA ,VOLVO TRACK, and Hyundai.
Will you guys review the smart #1 ev styled by Mercedes and I think built by geely?
smart brand now is a joint-investment company 50 50 by geely and mercedes . smart#1 design by Maercedes ,produce at Xi An factory of Geely use Volvo(own by Geely) SEA platform. what a internationalize car 😂😂😂😂
That mashup at least makes more sense. Geely only does the platform and drivetrain while Mercedes does the interior and exterior. This Denza is much mroe awkward since 90% plus of the car is just a BYD Tang, and even if Merc was giving it a good try, it would have been hard to make it that premium. Better to start out with a clean sheet joing venture like with the new Smart EV.
@@tren133 mercedes hold just 10% share of Denza , but Geely's chairman shufu li is single Largest shareholder of Daimler AG which is mother company of Mercedes. that is the diifrence .
Sounds like $7000 for a 'style by Mercedes-Benz' badge and a few air vents. Typical.
Looks nice, fwiw.
Is it true that there's a Hongchi powered by a V12? Would love to see a review of it.
When we see a review on Neta S??
Love your work as always, but could I ask when your reviewing the MG 4?
Thank you for your support! We’re working on getting an MG4 test car now.
How odd, BYD have great styling , can't see why they would need help
Great info
If Chinese car makers need foreign expertise to succeed, how do you explain the success of Great Wall Motor which never has JV with foreign car makers?
Their cars suck tho.
but they hire Western designers too look at Ora Cat for example
The Denza just doesn’t look appealing to me. I am surprised it was designed by Mercedes.
Tang is better and cheaper.
I would argue, a lot of people wouldn't like Mercedes own design without the brand behind it.
@@PTMC2008 that is true. I always find the bww suv more appealing.
Tang looks much better.
I was thinking oh that’s nice wood trim like in an E-Class Then you said “very terrible” fake wood trim. This made me laugh.
I want it in pink.
Denza est at 2010 .at that time BYD 's reputation in automotive industry is a joke . You can think the Denza brand as efforts of BYD to establish a luxury brand use Benz 's reputation and finally doomed.
Only here for the full EVs.
I love how only the climate vents and fake wood trims that look remotely similar to Mercedes Benz
车轮哥😃😃
The $7,000 went into BYD's pocket which, to be honest, is where it should go.
DENZA FARADENZA
- Little Big.
The purple version is much prettier than this black one.
香港🇭🇰也要的。❤️👍😃
Just buy a BYD Tang unless you want a Denza
Owner did a great job removing
The Denja logo.
Cuz Denza logo sucked.
90% BYD 10% Mercedes Benz
Should remove Denza and x performance badge from the car. Everything looks pp alright
The 7000 went to Mercedes
We’re they forced to do this because of a merger?
Yes, yes they were
Foreign manufacturers were forced to form joint ventures with local companies.
No if mercedes wants it can get out of the merger. Just like Stellantis
@@backwoodsbungalow9674 Yes and no, as it’s only mandatory to set up a joint ventures in China - but a deal to rebadge local vehicles had been almost unheard of. Mercedes’s local partner, BAIC, has been faithfully pumping out localized (i.e. elongated) Mercedes models from the A class to the E class since 2005, while BYD really hadn’t much link to the Germans. Which means the Denza really is a bit of an oddball. Maybe both sides saw genuine need to corporate at the time.
Foreign manufacturers were forced to form joint ventures with local companies in the past, but last year it is no longer mandatory because of WTO rules. Foreign companies now can form their own 100% owned company. Some companies like BMW bought out their chinese partner and Tesla has setup up its 100% owned company in China as well.
If you go to Mercedes for design you're on a bad course
Could be worse, like going to BMW.....
Haha, yeah I was going to make this comment.
Mercedes make ok looking cars but if you want something stylish go to a somewhere like Italdesign or Pininfarina .
Probably just a cynical cash in on the Mercedes name, con gullible buyers into thinking the car is worth 7k more because someone stuck a Mercedes badge on it.
Denza faradenza
Great job Mercedes…it looks like every other crossover on the road now 🤥
🤣🤣
Benza
So disappointing. You opened this episode with an myth that Chinese government asked foreign companies for JV brands in 2009. Please provide evidence that Chinese government did such thing. If your claim is true, why didn't VW-FAW or VW-SAIC establish JV brands? VW Faw only spin off Jetta brand near 2020. Toyota-FAW or Toyota-GAC have no JV brands either. The only such JV brands I can think of is Nissan-DongFeng JV establishing Venucia brand. If Chinese government was firmly asking foreign carmakers for JV brands, why did only few carmakers do so? Again, please provide evidence. Otherwise you are spreading fake news.
it's ok bro , no one well notice anyway
Toyota Leahead? Honda Ciimo? Honda Everus? FAW VW Kaili? Etc...
Why are you so offended, maybe dont watch this channel if you are this bruised by it 😐
There are lots of joint models on China roads
Calm down 小粉红
Mercedes is a thing of the past in this day and age. Nothing new in 30 years but worse reliability and boring styles
Dude are you Mad or just Blind?!!!
Those wheels look amazing but you said they are least interesting to look at. They have a bit of Diablo esque look if u look at other EVs, this is a far better look. Lemme know if anyone agrees or disagrees with me
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Plain ugly… is that the best MB can design?