I've made a specific import preset in LR for my scans that turns the noise reduction and sharpening to 0. It also contains the lens profile of the lens I am using with some vignetting correction. Saves quite a bit of repetitive work. I am 100% getting an adapter that I can just leave on my copy stand after seeing this vid.
I'm a bit late to this video, but I just wanted to say thanks to you Kyle for helping me to get motivated to try & start on my own digitizing workflow. I've had all the pieces ready to go for months, but no motivation during the colder months & the mental health stuff that comes with it. But I'm going to try & take the first steps to get this side of my love & hobby started. Many thanks, Kyle! 🙏🏻
Having a dedicated copy stand is such a luxury. I found a retro pentax one for cheap and it is sturdy as hell and has a macro rail too. Also finally got the valoi advancing system too, used just a film holder for a long time. Absolutely worth it.
I always do repro work with the matte side facing the camera because that's where the emulsion is, so you won't have the shoot "through" a plastic layer to get to the grain.
I got myself a Fuji Frontier SP500 and I have to say that it is so much fun! And once you got your head around the software it’s really predictable. Most of the complains I’ve heard from labs saying that it’s doing tons of auto stuff are simply not really understanding how the auto stuff works. And the quality is just amazing. I think the SP3000 is somewhat compromised for 120 since it zooms out and doesn’t have the same pixel density as for 35mm, but from what I’m getting with the SP500 (which is similar but 35mm only) it’s truly outstanding what real 20 megapixels can do. And virtual drum scanners work the same way. The light source in the Frontier scanners actually lights every color RGB separately, same as with high end movie scanners, and the sensor is a monochrome CCD, so while the resolution is “only” 20 megapixels the level of detail, colors, contrast, and density curve are superb. It’s also incredibly gratifying to only use CMYK point corrections to get an image. It feels much more like a part of the photographic process, and much more truthful to the light in the shot than fucking with curves and shifts and all. Not that there is anything wrong with using curves and all. Honestly for anyone who’s serious about shooting film an actual lab scanner is the most fun way to scan. It’s brings me proper joy.
This video has so many perfectionist aspects to it. I always have lots of concerns when purchasing new gear and you pretty much answer all my questions immediately. Love your content :)
Thanks Kyle. I just got my scanning setup ready. My first roll was cool but definitely left some room for improvement. I want to use your settings as a baseline and go from there. Thank you for putting out great content. You’ve had a positive influence in my photography journey.
I shot photostat in the 80s. I used Walzberg but one camera i used at another place was an Acti that shot to 3 microns accuracy.. my job was to make halftones with screens to generate large negatives for printing. this is really cool.
Thanks. Super useful. FWIW, In my many years of scanning and print making the mantra has *always* been emulsion side facing the light source, so I think you have it nailed.
Another thing I love with dSLR scanning, with newer mirrorless cameras is the pixel shift. With the camera in a fixed holder and controlled light, getting to use the high res mode as an option is great!
Great video as always! I was having problems with some film conversion in Lightroom, from time to time, and I recently discovered that I am getting way better results, almost 100% perfection control, with NLP conversion while using the Lightroom sliders in backwards mode. What I am doing is basically turning off everything as you show in your video without making any white balance adjustments, converting it with NLP but I won't be using the NLP plugging to make adjustments beside the tones. I am choosing a tone profile for the whole film that feel a bit like a LOG/Raw image, converting without any other modifications and in Lightroom, with the sliders in backwards, I will adjust the white balance, the shadows and highlights by hands. This technique freed me of some massive headache because I realize when I was doing the WB before, depending where you are clicking on the black border, the colours tends to shift slightly. (and that is understandable as the film border isn't totally black) Also, the adjustments in NLP tends to be a bit harsh and tweaking very little was almost impossible. Once you have all adjustments done, you can always get back to NLP to make your TIFF. Cheers!
Kyle, I’ve watched your camera scanning videos and those from Hashem from Pushing Film and pretty much decided I’m going to invest in the Essential Film Holder (with 35mm, 120 and 35mm slide holders) based on functionality - v - price value and use my full frame 36mp Pentax K-1 with DFA 100mm Macro lens to digitise the images. I’ve already ordered a Viltrox led light for backlighting. Getting the colour balance right on the colour photos is the one thing I’m sure will be a challenge. And pondering emulsion side up or down…. I’ve never been happy with the workflow or scan results of my Eason flatbed scanner over many years so the results you guys are getting from this camera scanning process has got me excited to get out my 1958 Rolleicord and my 1975 Pentax MX and start shooting film again. I have shot the occasional roll over recent years but now both are loaded with Delta 100 and I’m out walking my favourite street locations. Thank you for all the work on these videos. It’s valuable for the analogue loving community and I’m so glad there is a resurgence in film. I’ve found a local film processor (who also stock Portra and my favourite Ilford emulsions) so I can get the processing done although I’ve dusted off my processing tank for B&W and I might just get my old Meopta 6 enlarger out of the cupboard. Once inspiration leads to another!
Cheers, Brett! Best of luck with your journey. I've heard good things about the essential film holder. Lot's of great options nowadays for us film shooters, which is exciting. I think you'll be very happy with camera scanning.
Finally I made my mind to buy the Valoi scanning kit because of your video and the nice discount❤❤❤. I plan to scan my films with my new XT5 using the pixel shift function and the new XF30mm macro lens. I will update my results when I get them!
Thanks, that was really helpful. Also, I bought that film cutter when you had described it in a previous video and haven't regretted it. With 35mm I used to "miss" all the time, and that never happens. Plus I set this cutter over my light panel and can clearly see where the line on the translucent part shows between film frames, which makes it easier to line things up.
Thanks for presentation of your workflow! But the Kaiser stand is no overkill. You can not have enough mass to calm down such a high res camera. It is even better to mount it at a concrete wall if you have too flexible wooden floors. You should also try a blue 80a filter for compensation the orange mask. Then you do not need to torture the raw so much at Whitebalance. That and your high CRI panel helps to get the optimum out of the small bandwith/spectrum of a colour negative…
Interesting idea about the blue filter. And yeah, I had the workbench pulled away from the wall for this video, but usually have it mounted to the wall to lock it down a bit better.
Nice video! I used a similar approach a few years ago to scan my old slide collection. Some of my slides were star and astronomy images and I noticed on a few of them the digital capture caught a reflection of the front of the macro lens that bounced off the film. It might be worth a test with a dark negative to see if there is stray light.
Hi Kyle, thanks for the great guide! I've been using my D750 to scan negatives from 35mm to 6x9 and love the results. The tip with the mirror is extremely neat! thanks!
Hi Kyle, and happy New Year! I started camera scanning in 2017 after checking prices for medium format scanners. Love that I can tune in to your channel and get some tips like shutting down color noise reduction in LR. And that Pentax macro. I’m using my A7Riv now, because like you I wasn’t going to drop $2000 on a native macro lens for the GFX100S. The 645 lens though, that is intriguing. I want to try the GFX because of the 16 bit raw, although to be perfectly honest, when I first compared the GFX with the A7Riv using non-optimal glass for the Fuji, I really couldn’t see any difference in color reproduction. But I’m always looking to make things better. Scan once, best quality possible, never do it again, that is my mantra. On a sad note, treasure the pictures you have of Glenrio Texas/New Mexico because you wouldn’t recognize it today. I’ll send you a video I shot as I rode by last week. The short story is a guy decided to buy several of the buildings with the idea of turning it into a state line marijuana dispensary. I don’t care about the drugs one way or another, that’s a decision for informed adults to make. But it did bring a certain element into an area which had been unmolested for nearly 50 years and that really does suck. The guy ran out of cash. Or ambition. And now the things you shot are in disarray, with roofs removed and so on. The rule for old buildings? They won’t remain intact for long once the roofs are gone.
Hey Tim! The more tests I've done with camera scanning, I've found there to be marginal improvements when it comes to colour/tone between cameras. The big one is obviously just resolution. I'm actually working on a video right now where I'm using a $100 digital camera and a cheap old macro lens, and the results are impressive. And damn, sucks to hear that news about Glen Rio. Always sad to hear when some of these places disappear or get heavily vandalised. All the more reason to get out there and capture them. Hope all is well with you!
this is a great video, thanks Kyle, your channel is really great, I have so much film to scan, and my 2023 desire is a GFX Camera....former Fuji 6 x 9 user, current Rollei 120 owner...
Awesome tutorial Kyle. I own a GFX 50R and after seeing your previous video I started searching for the needed gear in order to reproduce my film/slides digitally. Hope to start shooting as soon as the lens adapter you are recommending will arrive. Thanks a lot for dedicating your time and knowledge.
Great video, Sir. That copy stand is, indeed, an impressive beast. One other potential route (and some may baulk at the idea) is modifying an enlarger to mount the camera/lens combo. This is the way I went with my old Durst 670 Colour. I managed to do it such that the mods are reversible if I should ever decide to go back to the old ways (couldn’t bring myself to start chopping bits off for the purpose). The colour head and lamp house were removed, as were the lens mount/focussing bellows and a aluminium plate mounted where the neg carrier used to sit. In the centre of the plate I cut a clearance hole for the standard M42 lens mount. This plate then sits sandwiched between an old M42 extension tube and the helicoid adaptor to my Fuji X-A3. On the tube is mounted a Componon S 50mm enlarging lens. It’s a bit heath robinson compared to a dedicated stand and mount, but I find it works really well and I’m lucky enough to be able to leave it set up permanently. As you say, having the facility to be able to just go to it and scan reliably and repeatably is such a bonus.
Cheers, Ralph. And yep, I've heard a few people mention working with an older enlarger. Sounds like a great option as well if you're okay with doing a little modifying.
I did this because I didn't want to spend the $600 on the copy stand that Kyle got (which is the one I was considering). On hindsight, it would have been easier to just go the copystand route, but I did make it work very well. I got an old Durst M600 to use. It works very well and is very solid, but one thing I discovered is that this model doesn't have a riser lock on the riser arm. I'd like to be able to tighten a screw to lock the riser arm down and this model doesn't allow that, so I have to use another method to ensure that no drifting of the head occurs (like if I were to bump the head).
@@mjmdiver1137 When I set out on this endeavour one of the objectives at the time was to costs to a minimum (not knowing at time how well the camera scanning technique would work). Luckily the 670 does the job nicely. I’ve not noticed any drift issues with the rack and pinion on the column so far. One thing I have found, though, is how much of a difference using the electronic shutter makes, even at a humble 24mp.
@@ralphturner7852 Yes, they are great for sure. Have you tested front curtain electronic shutter vs. the full electronic shutter? I think I tested that back when I was using a Sony a7R2 for the copy camera and I felt there was no shutter shake difference, but my recollection was that there may have been reasons to want to avoid the full electronic shutter (having to do with noise level differences? I don't remember exactly).
Here’s my piece of advice: some not-so-nice macro lenses will change the focus distance when you close the aperture, so it’s necessary to focus them with the aperture closed. Mine is a Canon FD 50mm f/3.5 macro, it definitely needs focusing with the aperture closed
Kyle, I have a 50R and am using it for film scanning as well. I tested the Mamiya 645 macro lens (but not the Pentax; they should be very similar in performance, which is really quite excellent overall). I also tested two other macro lenses (Olympus OM 80mm macro, which is a symmetrical design so optimized for 1:1 reproduciton, and an Olympus OM 135mm macro. Both of these are designed for the OM Auto Bellows and easily adapted to the GFX). The last lens I tested was a Makro Symmar industrial lens (line scan lens). It is essentially a 120mm Makro Symmar HM lens from large format applications but put into a barrel and optimized for a narrow range of reproduction ratios. They make/made them with very subtle differnces in the optics (spacing of the cells, I think) to make peak performance be at different reproduction ratios. I selected the one that allows me to work on 4x5 images down to about 6x6 images optimally, but the ranges of the lenses overlap somewhat. My thinking is that I will be (after I finish the 4x5 copy work) only doing a single reproduciton ratio for everything, wihch will be based on 6x6 film, so I can select an optimal lens to be the best in that range with a very flat field and very high sharpness. The benefit of this is that I don't have to stop down as far to ensure good corners and that means the overall image is sharper (by avoiding diffraction). It's a bit obsessive, but it does produce a better scan than the 645 macro lenses and the OM macro lenses. Otherwise, the process is nearly identical to yours. Here's a link to a website with more info in the Makro Symmar lenses I'm talking about. www.closeuphotography.com/schneider-makro-symmar-sr-120/2018/10/7/schneider-makro-symmar-sr-120mm-f56-line-scan-lens
Could you make a low cost solution? For example is it better to use a multifunction scanner/printer or an old apsc digital camera? What can we us for free software? Etc… just an idea 😊
Interesting! We have evolved similar processes. One area where my process is a bit more automated than yours is that my copystand is permanently located next to my PC. I also shoot fuji (and copy with my XT3). I attach a standard USB connection between the PC and the camera, and fire up Fujifilm Acquire, which can be linked automatically to Lightroom. You do have to mess around with a number of not very intuitive settings with both Acquire and Lightroom for them to speak to each other, but once worked out, as soon as you take each shot with the camera, after a few seconds, they are loaded automatically into LR, and so this speeds up the workflow a little. PS - its a shame we can't turn the Fuji LCD menu upside down, so we can navigate it easier ;-).
Thanks for sharing your process. I’ve thought about potentially tethering. My volume of images is usually pretty low though, so I don’t mind transferring.
That's pretty funny seeing your camera settings and workflow, they are pretty much identical to mine that I just came up with on the fly. The camera remote app is something that's really great. I actually tether my gfx100s via USBC to a computer so that the files are transferred directly into a folder and I don't have to do anything with the card. I also have my c6 profile set up for all my film scanning stuff, so I can just switch to it really easily. I also use an anti-static brush on both sides of my film before I scan each frame, I usually do it for the one or two frames after the one I'm currently scanning so that when I reel them in they are clean. I find that the rocket blower doesn't necessarily get everything off I use a mamiya 645 120 mm 1:1 macro, but unfortunately it's not compatible with the teleconverter. The Pentax one is, so I may pick one of those up, just it's much harder to find the adapters. The 2x tc for Pentax seems to be compatible with all lenses which is extremely cool of them to do. That would mean I should be able to get a 2:1 macro out of that lens which would be perfect for scanning 35 mm.
Impressive workflow - excellent end-to-end process coverage! One gear recommendation - Kinetronics StaticVac. My film passes through that before the holder and basically I spend barely any time on dust:)
I use a G9 to photo scan using HiRes mode. I also have a K-1.II and a KP that do a pretty good job with Pixel Shift turned on. I wouldn't mind have a 50R just because it's probably my favorite camera with that body style on the market, but for my needs I get by with my MFT mirrorless and Pentax dslr cameras. Maybe one day there will be a true GX8 successor to have the weather sealing and updated high-end feature set/hardware in a rangefinder style body. I doubt it, but one can hope. Maybe OM will release a Pen-F Mark II with EM1.3 internals and weather sealing like the OM-5. Maybe even the OM-1 internals after they've been out a bit and can be sold for less/binned processors at lower cost.
Cool video. I scan a lot of film with a camera scanning setup and do have some observations with running the film through shiny side up or down. If the emulsion is facing the camera (shiny side down), it tends to be a bit sharper (depending on the film, and lens camera setup, the more resolution you have, the more apparent that is). If scanning 35mm film with ~50MP full frame camera (or 32MP APS-C), the difference between the two is very apparent, though if scanning medium format film, it's probably less apparent, but if you look closely, often you can see a small difference.
@@KyleMcDougall It really depends on the lens and how much resolution your camera has. I use a Canon R5 and Sigma 70 Macro ART lens (the newer one) and with 35mm film, it's very apparent, but the same setup for 120 is a lot less apparent simply because I'm "scanning" a much larger area with the same resolution. 35mm film works out to ~5500DPI and 120 film works out to ~2400DPI, so even though the setup is the same, 35mm film is a lot more sensitive to that.
why do you use an NLP profile even though you scan with a camera? NLP only recommends this when scanning with Vuescan or silverfast. great video keep up the great work.
Cheers. You'll notice with a camera even if you don't apply the profile, if you select a color mode in the initial NLP pre-conversion panel, then the profile will be applied. So it looks like it's using a profile for camera scanning unless you select none, in which case you're defaulting to the Adobe Standard profile. I'd prefer to use NLP's, unless I ran a custom profile of my own.
Do you get the Fuji "worms" in your scanned raw files using the GFX50R? Something about the X-trans sensors on the Fuji X-mount cameras that doesn't play well with Lightroom. Can be visible when you zoom in quite far on the image file. Remedy is to run "enhance details" processor in Lightroom on all your .RAF files prior to conversion and editing. Takes a while and it creates new "enhanced .DNG" files from your .RAF raw files. Adds storage space requirement, for a modest improvement.
Not that I’ve noticed with the GFX, but yes with the X-mount. Interesting to hear about the enhanced details approach. Sounds like that may be something worthwhile to do regardless. I’ll have to check it out.
Great video. I have the same camera and I am thinking about using it to scan some of my 4x5 sheets. I was wondering if you have any experience of that ? and how do deal with the distortion when stitching the scanned files ?
Great Video! Like you, I went crazy and bought a large copy stand although I went with the Beseler model. It's really beefy but it works great for a number of shooting styles so I'm getting good use out of it. I also leave my macro lens attached to the stand all the time and remove the camera to use elsewhere or to change to a different macro lens for specific purposes. I need to look at the Valoi system for scanning film, but right now I'm mainly shooting digital (flat lay macro).
When you said film scanning, I thought you'd be developing the film and exposing paper in a dark room, and then scanning the paper photograph with a regular photo scanner. I had no idea that people did things this way! Mind: blown.
Hi Kyle. Great video. 2 questions: 1: why would you not use pixel shift, seems like a perfect application for it. To ieliminate false colour and aliasing. Have you tried this? 2: why use a light source that is only 95CRI ? I can see different results when photographing someone lit by a 95CRI source vs 100 CRI, some subtle colours do get lost. Did you consider other light sources? Did you go with this one just out of convenience ?
A lot of good information and thanks for doing the video. Tons of cool gear but I think the piece I would look for, the extension tube or lens collar with the mount. How nice to twist your camera on and be nearly ready! Would you ever consider making a video of the same thing but for for us poor folk? Is there a way to camera scan for less than $750? Less than $500?
I use an Olympus Pen F digital in pixel-shift high-res mode (80 MP files) and the very affordable Olympus 30 mm F4.5 macro lens. An E-M5II would do (50 MP files, somewhat resembling the GFX50). I also use this camera for digital photography, but if I would be an FF shooter who couldn't afford something like a Sony A7RII or III for scanning, I would still go with a used E-M5II and 30 mm F4.5 macro lens to do my scanning (fastest and cheapest way to get 40-50 MP scans from negatives of any size).
You could tether the camera to the computer and trigger, transfer the exposures to your PC from your PC. I do that with my Sigma sd Quattro, it also allows me to punch in with an 8x magnification on the live view via the tether app. Very nice setup, Kyle.
Hi. I've been thinking about which camera to get and previously played with the SD Quattro but not for negative scanning. How do you find it to be for scanning negatives compared to other DSLR? Is there a color difference for example?
@@gash1 With the Art macro lens, the quality for scanning is outstanding. But the workflow is VERY slow. I also scan with the 5DsR and an L macro which provides a much faster workflow. If you're on Mac, don't go the sd Quattro route, I could not get the tether app work on Mac.
I remember vividly the Nikon Coolscan 9000 video you made and how happy you were to find that scanner almost new. Why did you move from that platform for scanning to this? Is it better? You have no discussion in here about that.
I actually did a video comparing the two, a while ago. But basically, I decided to switch, as I found the GFX very close to the same quality when it comes to 'scans', and by selling the Nikon I could purchase a GFX setup, which I also can use for photography. There was a lot of appeal in that. If money didn't matter, I'd keep both.
@@KyleMcDougall Thanks Kyle. Man, do I understand the "if money didn't matter" sentiment. Photography is an expensive hobby. I still like the self contained "magic box" element of the Nikon Coolscans lol, but I did see the comparison video and FujiFilm "scans" looked as good if not better and was faster.
Hi, finding this video very helpful, so thank you. Just one thing, and sorry if it's already been asked about - at time stamp 19:00 you applied a 'NLP profile' to the file before you even opened NLP to convert it... would you mind telling me what that 'profile' is? I'm genuinely intrigued!
That's a profile that is supplied by NLP. Whenever you import a RAW file to LR, the default Adobe Color profile is applied, which has specific contrast and colour adjustments. The NLP profile, from my understanding, has a linear curve and preps the file for conversion.
@@KyleMcDougall Oh, I thought NLP applied that profile automatically. It just confused me a little, applying it in LR before opening NLP, it doesn't say anywhere to do that. Never mind - thank you :)
That's pretty cool, will try something like this with the xt4, may not quite be the same thing but probably ok for me since I just shoot film like once a month, as a hobby :)
Hi, and thank you for the beautiful images you share! Regarding the lens you use, would the "SMC Pentax-FA 4/120mm Macro 645" work with the adapter you're using? Do you know if it's also a good lens? Thanx!
Amazing vid as always mate, I just picked up a 50r and now look forward to my home scanning adventure! In the meantime though i’m looking for a nice lens for everyday shooting with it, what’s that you’ve got on there at the start of the video? i’m currently using the TT artisans 50 1.4 m mount but it doesn’t quite cover the sensor, and the mitakon 65 looks to be the best option but it’s not exactly the lightest set up for everyday use!
Hey Jacob, I own the 35-70 GF, which is good for landscape, but not the fastest. I have an adapted Contax 45mm 2.8, which is nice as well. The Mitakon is my favourite, but yeah, definitely a bit of a tank!
hey kyle, huge fan of your videos. made me get into gfx system with mitakon and film cameras, and now im also trying to get in the film scaning workflow with 50r too. and wonder you have any plan or interesting in VALOI's new product Easy 35, planned to get Pentax-a 645 120mm f4 macro and Easy35 supports the filter thread size of this macro lens too. so thought would be awesome to hear your opinion on this kit. always really enjoying your video with both amazing photos and video. thanks again!
I should be getting my hands on one in the next month or two. But at this point, haven't had any experience with one. They look like a nice option though
Thank you Kyle this is great -I have a GFX 50S and am interested in doing this. Can I ask, how have the results been for you for printing these captures? For instance, how big have you been able to print your 50R film scans and how do these prints compare to an Imacon or Drum scan print in your opinion? Would love to know your thoughts on this! Thank you!
@@KyleMcDougall Thanks Kyle. Had my lab do some scans on their v800 of my 6x17, and found them a bit soft. So have been hesitant in going down that route again. But I might give them another try for 45. Keep up the good work. P.
@@KyleMcDougall Thank you so much. The imacon in my pro lab is broken and I see a solution thanks to you ... sorry if my question seems stupid but I prefer to have all the certainties before purchasing equipment. I mainly need a scanner for 35mm negatives. Does the 645 optic allow you to benefit from maximum resolution of the gfx50? Obtaining a 24x36mm file at 4400dpi is ideal for large prints.
your videos are so great kyle. I've been following you now for a few years. just moved to england myself. love your work. Hey not sure if you've answered this but what filter is that on the contax 45mm 2.8? the red one? thanks!
Does tethering provide any advantage in terms of adjusting light/color/exposure for negs which are "off" before you take the shot? I remember when scanning slides in Epson 750 that silverfast software could make a big difference on a slide by slide basis rather than just scanning them all on the same exposure/white balance.
@@KyleMcDougall so it would be a more massive crop scanning 6x6 film than 6x4.5. Looking for solution to scan my 6x6's. But dont feel like using a flabed scanner. If I could get a new camera as well it would be win win 🙂
Yes, you have to crop it quite a bit, but with something like the GFX with its high resolution, you still end up with quite a large file. Just the reality of camera scanning and 6x6.
Great video. I own a Frontier which I love but it is getting harder and harder to keep Windows XP running on a virtual machine. I would love to get access to a few of these raw files from the Fuji to see exactly what the quality is like. I’ve tried NLP a few times but have never been able to match the Frontier in terms of color.
D'you scan large format too with this same setup? I use an Epson scanner but I would like to accelerate the whole process.I do shoot 8x10 as well: do Valoi works with film sheets? Is the Kaiser enough for 8x10? Thanks anyway, helpful video
I know close to nothing about film, but I imagine there'd be a step between getting the roll out of the camera and being able to expose it to light again right? do you do that yourself as well? I don't have anywhere near the funds or the time to do any of this, it's just curiosity :)
Hi Kyle, quick question regarding the Pentax lens with the GFX 50R to scan film. Should I be ensuring the magnification on the lens itself is at 1:1 reproduction ratio using the printed numbers on the lens? or do I ignore those numbers and just get the negative to fill the frame and focus?
Hi, thanks for this video. I'm also someone who has agonised over my scanning process. How do you think the XT compare to the GFX for scanning? I assume you thought it was a worthwhile update. I'm shooting mostly 6x6, 6x7 and 4x5. I'm leaning towards the extra resolution of GFX so I spend less time stitching in Lightroom which never really works perfectly anyway. Plus it gives me another option for a digital camera once I have the money to buy some lenses... Thanks!
The GFX is a much better fit for me, as I shoot mostly medium format. So I can use the entire sensor (or most of it). With the XT, I was always having to crop quite a bit off the frame as the aspect ratio was much wider.
I’m revisiting this video since I just purchased a gfx 50sii (arriving today 🙌🏼). I happen to have a late Pentax 67 Macro 135 f/4, that I’ve used with the 67ii and seems to perform well. Would you say this could work for digitizing my negatives with the 67 adapter?
it's kinda crazy that I paid less for my frontier sp3000 than a Negative supply setup (minus camera) costs. Great to see valoi making something that is affordable.
Hello Kyle ! I know this is a old video but if you see this message , I just purchased some material to scan with camera and so far less successful than my plustek scanner. You answered many questions in that video. But I wondered , do you let the lights in the room switched on ? Doesn’t it mess with the white balance and colors ?
Thanks for the nice video, I do a lot of this myself (b&w) - still could find some details to try for optimization! Btw, did you ever experience banding when using electronic shutter on yourlight panel ?
Just wanted to leave this comment for people who may be confused like I was: I didn't know why people were using an old pentax 120mm macro lens + adapter instead of just buying a gfx extension tube for the gfx 63mm lens. The extension tube doesn't give you the same coverage of the film like with a 120mm lens. You see at 12:45 when he starts scanning--the film fills the frame and you get all the megapixels of the gfx (important for me because I like printing large). If you have the 63mm + extension tube, you can only get so close and you have to crop in a bit. This is probably fine if you're posting your stuff online but it leaves a lot of megapixels on the table, which may limit you down the road depending on how large you like to print/ how much detail you want. If you already have a 50 MP GFX, may as well spend the extra ~$100 to get the full potential out of it as a scanner. there's also the added benefit that he mentioned about just being able to leave the adapter and lens mounted permanently rather than having screw and unscrew your camera to the stand each time
Any reason you couldn’t use a Pentax 67 135mm f4 macro? I realize 645 is closer to the crop medium format sensor in the GFX* systems, but as long as it covers the sensor it shouldn’t matter should it? In fact, it might be sharper given that you’re taking the center out of the 67’s full medium format coverage. Dunno… just thinking out loud. That lens seems to be half the price of the 645 120mm.
Hello Kyle, your videos inspired me to get a GFX 50R and I am also planning to use it for film scanning so this video is just perfect! Just out of curiosity, do you know whether there would be a difference in the final result by using the Pentax vs the native Fuji 120mm or would the outcome be the same or negligible for this particular use case? I'm new to all this so just trying to understand how much lens choice actually affects the outcome when it comes to scanning film. Also wondering if using a GF 45mm or 50mm with an macro extension tube would work just as well as the Pentax or Fuji 120mm?
I can't comment on the Fuji lens, as I've never used it, but I've been very very happy with the Pentax 120 macro. It's a high quality lens, and I personally wouldn't spend the difference to get the Fuji. The extension tubes can work, but I've always preferred to use a dedicated macro lens.
Kyle, I have the Valoi 120 kit, but I don't think you mentioned how you are scanning the 4x5 negatives you are making in the video? I don't think they have a holder for 4x5 correct? I'm thinking about getting the Negative Supply holder because it uses an acrylic back glass piece to ensure the film doesn't sag, but I was looking around for options before I committed to that solution (it's expensive for what you get, IMO).
19:41 quick tip but you can paste the settings to all frames at once, or you can use the "sync" feature to do the same thing
came to the comments to say this!
@@bradleybalsters2078 me too!
+1
I've made a specific import preset in LR for my scans that turns the noise reduction and sharpening to 0. It also contains the lens profile of the lens I am using with some vignetting correction. Saves quite a bit of repetitive work. I am 100% getting an adapter that I can just leave on my copy stand after seeing this vid.
Oh nice. That's a great idea to make a preset out of it. I'll definitely do that.
I'm a bit late to this video, but I just wanted to say thanks to you Kyle for helping me to get motivated to try & start on my own digitizing workflow. I've had all the pieces ready to go for months, but no motivation during the colder months & the mental health stuff that comes with it. But I'm going to try & take the first steps to get this side of my love & hobby started. Many thanks, Kyle! 🙏🏻
Cheers, Michael! All the best with your journey. Glad you found this helpful.
Having a dedicated copy stand is such a luxury. I found a retro pentax one for cheap and it is sturdy as hell and has a macro rail too. Also finally got the valoi advancing system too, used just a film holder for a long time. Absolutely worth it.
Nice! Glad to hear you're happy with the setup. A dedicated copy stand in a permanent place is really beneficial.
I always do repro work with the matte side facing the camera because that's where the emulsion is, so you won't have the shoot "through" a plastic layer to get to the grain.
I got myself a Fuji Frontier SP500 and I have to say that it is so much fun! And once you got your head around the software it’s really predictable. Most of the complains I’ve heard from labs saying that it’s doing tons of auto stuff are simply not really understanding how the auto stuff works. And the quality is just amazing. I think the SP3000 is somewhat compromised for 120 since it zooms out and doesn’t have the same pixel density as for 35mm, but from what I’m getting with the SP500 (which is similar but 35mm only) it’s truly outstanding what real 20 megapixels can do. And virtual drum scanners work the same way. The light source in the Frontier scanners actually lights every color RGB separately, same as with high end movie scanners, and the sensor is a monochrome CCD, so while the resolution is “only” 20 megapixels the level of detail, colors, contrast, and density curve are superb. It’s also incredibly gratifying to only use CMYK point corrections to get an image. It feels much more like a part of the photographic process, and much more truthful to the light in the shot than fucking with curves and shifts and all. Not that there is anything wrong with using curves and all. Honestly for anyone who’s serious about shooting film an actual lab scanner is the most fun way to scan. It’s brings me proper joy.
my current setup is almost identical! glad to see this combination of gear being used by a professional like you.
This video has so many perfectionist aspects to it. I always have lots of concerns when purchasing new gear and you pretty much answer all my questions immediately. Love your content :)
Thanks for what you do Kyle. Your content is so well thought out and informative.
Thanks for that. I'm glad you enjoy it!
Thanks Kyle. I just got my scanning setup ready. My first roll was cool but definitely left some room for improvement. I want to use your settings as a baseline and go from there. Thank you for putting out great content. You’ve had a positive influence in my photography journey.
Cheers! Glad this was helpful!
I shot photostat in the 80s. I used Walzberg but one camera i used at another place was an Acti that shot to 3 microns accuracy.. my job was to make halftones with screens to generate large negatives for printing. this is really cool.
Thanks. Super useful. FWIW, In my many years of scanning and print making the mantra has *always* been emulsion side facing the light source, so I think you have it nailed.
Another thing I love with dSLR scanning, with newer mirrorless cameras is the pixel shift. With the camera in a fixed holder and controlled light, getting to use the high res mode as an option is great!
Great video as always! I was having problems with some film conversion in Lightroom, from time to time, and I recently discovered that I am getting way better results, almost 100% perfection control, with NLP conversion while using the Lightroom sliders in backwards mode. What I am doing is basically turning off everything as you show in your video without making any white balance adjustments, converting it with NLP but I won't be using the NLP plugging to make adjustments beside the tones. I am choosing a tone profile for the whole film that feel a bit like a LOG/Raw image, converting without any other modifications and in Lightroom, with the sliders in backwards, I will adjust the white balance, the shadows and highlights by hands. This technique freed me of some massive headache because I realize when I was doing the WB before, depending where you are clicking on the black border, the colours tends to shift slightly. (and that is understandable as the film border isn't totally black) Also, the adjustments in NLP tends to be a bit harsh and tweaking very little was almost impossible. Once you have all adjustments done, you can always get back to NLP to make your TIFF.
Cheers!
Interesting approach. Thanks for sharing!
Kyle, I’ve watched your camera scanning videos and those from Hashem from Pushing Film and pretty much decided I’m going to invest in the Essential Film Holder (with 35mm, 120 and 35mm slide holders) based on functionality - v - price value and use my full frame 36mp Pentax K-1 with DFA 100mm Macro lens to digitise the images.
I’ve already ordered a Viltrox led light for backlighting. Getting the colour balance right on the colour photos is the one thing I’m sure will be a challenge. And pondering emulsion side up or down….
I’ve never been happy with the workflow or scan results of my Eason flatbed scanner over many years so the results you guys are getting from this camera scanning process has got me excited to get out my 1958 Rolleicord and my 1975 Pentax MX and start shooting film again. I have shot the occasional roll over recent years but now both are loaded with Delta 100 and I’m out walking my favourite street locations.
Thank you for all the work on these videos. It’s valuable for the analogue loving community and I’m so glad there is a resurgence in film. I’ve found a local film processor (who also stock Portra and my favourite Ilford emulsions) so I can get the processing done although I’ve dusted off my processing tank for B&W and I might just get my old Meopta 6 enlarger out of the cupboard. Once inspiration leads to another!
Cheers, Brett! Best of luck with your journey. I've heard good things about the essential film holder. Lot's of great options nowadays for us film shooters, which is exciting. I think you'll be very happy with camera scanning.
Finally I made my mind to buy the Valoi scanning kit because of your video and the nice discount❤❤❤. I plan to scan my films with my new XT5 using the pixel shift function and the new XF30mm macro lens. I will update my results when I get them!
Awesome! The XT5 should be great for that. Enjoy!
Thanks, that was really helpful. Also, I bought that film cutter when you had
described it in a previous video and haven't regretted it. With 35mm I used to
"miss" all the time, and that never happens. Plus I set this cutter over my light
panel and can clearly see where the line on the translucent part shows between
film frames, which makes it easier to line things up.
Glad you're enjoying it! The cutter is the best.
Wow, how did I not know that a "film cutter" existed?? I need to buy that ASAP.
It's the best!
Thanks for presentation of your workflow! But the Kaiser stand is no overkill. You can not have enough mass to calm down such a high res camera. It is even better to mount it at a concrete wall if you have too flexible wooden floors. You should also try a blue 80a filter for compensation the orange mask. Then you do not need to torture the raw so much at Whitebalance. That and your high CRI panel helps to get the optimum out of the small bandwith/spectrum of a colour negative…
Interesting idea about the blue filter. And yeah, I had the workbench pulled away from the wall for this video, but usually have it mounted to the wall to lock it down a bit better.
i need this film cutter. 😮
One of my favourites!
Thank you so much for the endless amount of simplified education. Cheers.
Nice video! I used a similar approach a few years ago to scan my old slide collection. Some of my slides were star and astronomy images and I noticed on a few of them the digital capture caught a reflection of the front of the macro lens that bounced off the film. It might be worth a test with a dark negative to see if there is stray light.
wait those framed advertisements at 9:39 are sick where do I get those
I liked to Contax ones, sometimes you see them on auction sites, my guess is you frame them yourself.
Most of those I grabbed off of ebay. Old brochures.
@@KyleMcDougall Guess I have to look around a bit. Thanks!
Hi Kyle, thanks for the great guide! I've been using my D750 to scan negatives from 35mm to 6x9 and love the results. The tip with the mirror is extremely neat! thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Seems to be a good option for scanning large or irregular sized film. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. Cheers.
Thank you for this Kyle! So much faster it’s crazy.
Cheers, Nick. Yeah, that's a huge plus for me!
Hi Kyle, and happy New Year! I started camera scanning in 2017 after checking prices for medium format scanners. Love that I can tune in to your channel and get some tips like shutting down color noise reduction in LR. And that Pentax macro. I’m using my A7Riv now, because like you I wasn’t going to drop $2000 on a native macro lens for the GFX100S. The 645 lens though, that is intriguing. I want to try the GFX because of the 16 bit raw, although to be perfectly honest, when I first compared the GFX with the A7Riv using non-optimal glass for the Fuji, I really couldn’t see any difference in color reproduction. But I’m always looking to make things better. Scan once, best quality possible, never do it again, that is my mantra.
On a sad note, treasure the pictures you have of Glenrio Texas/New Mexico because you wouldn’t recognize it today. I’ll send you a video I shot as I rode by last week. The short story is a guy decided to buy several of the buildings with the idea of turning it into a state line marijuana dispensary. I don’t care about the drugs one way or another, that’s a decision for informed adults to make. But it did bring a certain element into an area which had been unmolested for nearly 50 years and that really does suck. The guy ran out of cash. Or ambition. And now the things you shot are in disarray, with roofs removed and so on. The rule for old buildings? They won’t remain intact for long once the roofs are gone.
Hey Tim! The more tests I've done with camera scanning, I've found there to be marginal improvements when it comes to colour/tone between cameras. The big one is obviously just resolution. I'm actually working on a video right now where I'm using a $100 digital camera and a cheap old macro lens, and the results are impressive. And damn, sucks to hear that news about Glen Rio. Always sad to hear when some of these places disappear or get heavily vandalised. All the more reason to get out there and capture them. Hope all is well with you!
11:27 dont forget to turn the ISO dial on L (or the lowest iso possible)
this is a great video, thanks Kyle, your channel is really great, I have so much film to scan, and my 2023 desire is a GFX Camera....former Fuji 6 x 9 user, current Rollei 120 owner...
Thanks, Lewis! Glad you enjoyed this one.
Awesome tutorial Kyle. I own a GFX 50R and after seeing your previous video I started searching for the needed gear in order to reproduce my film/slides digitally. Hope to start shooting as soon as the lens adapter you are recommending will arrive. Thanks a lot for dedicating your time and knowledge.
Glad to hear it helped!
What an outstanding and informative post. Excellent. Thank you so much for sharing.
You're welcome. Cheers.
Learned a tonnnnn from this video Kyle. You just saved me so much time. Thank you!
Glad to hear it!
Thanks Kyle, great video. I already have the GFX50R and the Kaiser Copy stand so I’m already half way there :-)
Nice! The Kaiser stand is great. :)
perfect timing on this! Thanks Kyle
Cheers, Jason!
Great video, Sir. That copy stand is, indeed, an impressive beast. One other potential route (and some may baulk at the idea) is modifying an enlarger to mount the camera/lens combo. This is the way I went with my old Durst 670 Colour. I managed to do it such that the mods are reversible if I should ever decide to go back to the old ways (couldn’t bring myself to start chopping bits off for the purpose). The colour head and lamp house were removed, as were the lens mount/focussing bellows and a aluminium plate mounted where the neg carrier used to sit. In the centre of the plate I cut a clearance hole for the standard M42 lens mount. This plate then sits sandwiched between an old M42 extension tube and the helicoid adaptor to my Fuji X-A3. On the tube is mounted a Componon S 50mm enlarging lens. It’s a bit heath robinson compared to a dedicated stand and mount, but I find it works really well and I’m lucky enough to be able to leave it set up permanently. As you say, having the facility to be able to just go to it and scan reliably and repeatably is such a bonus.
Cheers, Ralph. And yep, I've heard a few people mention working with an older enlarger. Sounds like a great option as well if you're okay with doing a little modifying.
I did this because I didn't want to spend the $600 on the copy stand that Kyle got (which is the one I was considering). On hindsight, it would have been easier to just go the copystand route, but I did make it work very well.
I got an old Durst M600 to use. It works very well and is very solid, but one thing I discovered is that this model doesn't have a riser lock on the riser arm. I'd like to be able to tighten a screw to lock the riser arm down and this model doesn't allow that, so I have to use another method to ensure that no drifting of the head occurs (like if I were to bump the head).
@@mjmdiver1137 When I set out on this endeavour one of the objectives at the time was to costs to a minimum (not knowing at time how well the camera scanning technique would work). Luckily the 670 does the job nicely. I’ve not noticed any drift issues with the rack and pinion on the column so far. One thing I have found, though, is how much of a difference using the electronic shutter makes, even at a humble 24mp.
@@ralphturner7852 Yes, they are great for sure.
Have you tested front curtain electronic shutter vs. the full electronic shutter?
I think I tested that back when I was using a Sony a7R2 for the copy camera and I felt there was no shutter shake difference, but my recollection was that there may have been reasons to want to avoid the full electronic shutter (having to do with noise level differences? I don't remember exactly).
@@mjmdiver1137 Sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip.
so awesome! i had the same idea to mount the adapter instead of the camera. makes it so much easier. you rock !
Cheers, Chris.
Here’s my piece of advice: some not-so-nice macro lenses will change the focus distance when you close the aperture, so it’s necessary to focus them with the aperture closed. Mine is a Canon FD 50mm f/3.5 macro, it definitely needs focusing with the aperture closed
Hmmm, interesting to hear that. I didn’t know that was a thing. Something to keep an eye on.
Kyle,
I have a 50R and am using it for film scanning as well.
I tested the Mamiya 645 macro lens (but not the Pentax; they should be very similar in performance, which is really quite excellent overall). I also tested two other macro lenses (Olympus OM 80mm macro, which is a symmetrical design so optimized for 1:1 reproduciton, and an Olympus OM 135mm macro. Both of these are designed for the OM Auto Bellows and easily adapted to the GFX).
The last lens I tested was a Makro Symmar industrial lens (line scan lens). It is essentially a 120mm Makro Symmar HM lens from large format applications but put into a barrel and optimized for a narrow range of reproduction ratios. They make/made them with very subtle differnces in the optics (spacing of the cells, I think) to make peak performance be at different reproduction ratios. I selected the one that allows me to work on 4x5 images down to about 6x6 images optimally, but the ranges of the lenses overlap somewhat. My thinking is that I will be (after I finish the 4x5 copy work) only doing a single reproduciton ratio for everything, wihch will be based on 6x6 film, so I can select an optimal lens to be the best in that range with a very flat field and very high sharpness. The benefit of this is that I don't have to stop down as far to ensure good corners and that means the overall image is sharper (by avoiding diffraction).
It's a bit obsessive, but it does produce a better scan than the 645 macro lenses and the OM macro lenses.
Otherwise, the process is nearly identical to yours.
Here's a link to a website with more info in the Makro Symmar lenses I'm talking about.
www.closeuphotography.com/schneider-makro-symmar-sr-120/2018/10/7/schneider-makro-symmar-sr-120mm-f56-line-scan-lens
Thanks for sharing this! I did come across that website at one point in my search. Maybe something I'll have to deep dive at some point in the future!
Could you make a low cost solution? For example is it better to use a multifunction scanner/printer or an old apsc digital camera? What can we us for free software? Etc… just an idea 😊
Already working on an idea like that. :) Hopefully will have it up next month.
Interesting! We have evolved similar processes. One area where my process is a bit more automated than yours is that my copystand is permanently located next to my PC. I also shoot fuji (and copy with my XT3). I attach a standard USB connection between the PC and the camera, and fire up Fujifilm Acquire, which can be linked automatically to Lightroom. You do have to mess around with a number of not very intuitive settings with both Acquire and Lightroom for them to speak to each other, but once worked out, as soon as you take each shot with the camera, after a few seconds, they are loaded automatically into LR, and so this speeds up the workflow a little. PS - its a shame we can't turn the Fuji LCD menu upside down, so we can navigate it easier ;-).
Thanks for sharing your process. I’ve thought about potentially tethering. My volume of images is usually pretty low though, so I don’t mind transferring.
That's pretty funny seeing your camera settings and workflow, they are pretty much identical to mine that I just came up with on the fly. The camera remote app is something that's really great. I actually tether my gfx100s via USBC to a computer so that the files are transferred directly into a folder and I don't have to do anything with the card. I also have my c6 profile set up for all my film scanning stuff, so I can just switch to it really easily.
I also use an anti-static brush on both sides of my film before I scan each frame, I usually do it for the one or two frames after the one I'm currently scanning so that when I reel them in they are clean. I find that the rocket blower doesn't necessarily get everything off
I use a mamiya 645 120 mm 1:1 macro, but unfortunately it's not compatible with the teleconverter. The Pentax one is, so I may pick one of those up, just it's much harder to find the adapters. The 2x tc for Pentax seems to be compatible with all lenses which is extremely cool of them to do. That would mean I should be able to get a 2:1 macro out of that lens which would be perfect for scanning 35 mm.
Impressive workflow - excellent end-to-end process coverage!
One gear recommendation - Kinetronics StaticVac. My film passes through that before the holder and basically I spend barely any time on dust:)
I'll have to look that up!
@@KyleMcDougall Valoi does have a similar anti static brush thingy (they call it Duster) for the Advancer.
I use a G9 to photo scan using HiRes mode. I also have a K-1.II and a KP that do a pretty good job with Pixel Shift turned on. I wouldn't mind have a 50R just because it's probably my favorite camera with that body style on the market, but for my needs I get by with my MFT mirrorless and Pentax dslr cameras. Maybe one day there will be a true GX8 successor to have the weather sealing and updated high-end feature set/hardware in a rangefinder style body. I doubt it, but one can hope. Maybe OM will release a Pen-F Mark II with EM1.3 internals and weather sealing like the OM-5. Maybe even the OM-1 internals after they've been out a bit and can be sold for less/binned processors at lower cost.
Glad to hear that's working for you!
Cool video. I scan a lot of film with a camera scanning setup and do have some observations with running the film through shiny side up or down. If the emulsion is facing the camera (shiny side down), it tends to be a bit sharper (depending on the film, and lens camera setup, the more resolution you have, the more apparent that is). If scanning 35mm film with ~50MP full frame camera (or 32MP APS-C), the difference between the two is very apparent, though if scanning medium format film, it's probably less apparent, but if you look closely, often you can see a small difference.
Interesting. I did some tests and didn't notice a difference. But maybe I'll have to revisit it again.
@@KyleMcDougall It really depends on the lens and how much resolution your camera has. I use a Canon R5 and Sigma 70 Macro ART lens (the newer one) and with 35mm film, it's very apparent, but the same setup for 120 is a lot less apparent simply because I'm "scanning" a much larger area with the same resolution. 35mm film works out to ~5500DPI and 120 film works out to ~2400DPI, so even though the setup is the same, 35mm film is a lot more sensitive to that.
Cool, well thanks for sharing your experience. I’ll definitely have to do another test next time I’m scanning.
A great video on scanning. Cool to see how others scan
Cheers, Gene! Glad you enjoyed it.
why do you use an NLP profile even though you scan with a camera? NLP only recommends this when scanning with Vuescan or silverfast. great video keep up the great work.
Cheers. You'll notice with a camera even if you don't apply the profile, if you select a color mode in the initial NLP pre-conversion panel, then the profile will be applied. So it looks like it's using a profile for camera scanning unless you select none, in which case you're defaulting to the Adobe Standard profile. I'd prefer to use NLP's, unless I ran a custom profile of my own.
Do you get the Fuji "worms" in your scanned raw files using the GFX50R? Something about the X-trans sensors on the Fuji X-mount cameras that doesn't play well with Lightroom. Can be visible when you zoom in quite far on the image file. Remedy is to run "enhance details" processor in Lightroom on all your .RAF files prior to conversion and editing. Takes a while and it creates new "enhanced .DNG" files from your .RAF raw files. Adds storage space requirement, for a modest improvement.
Not that I’ve noticed with the GFX, but yes with the X-mount. Interesting to hear about the enhanced details approach. Sounds like that may be something worthwhile to do regardless. I’ll have to check it out.
Great video. I have the same camera and I am thinking about using it to scan some of my 4x5 sheets. I was wondering if you have any experience of that ? and how do deal with the distortion when stitching the scanned files ?
I just photograph the entire sheet in one frame, no stitching. Still gives a fairly large file.
Great Video! Like you, I went crazy and bought a large copy stand although I went with the Beseler model. It's really beefy but it works great for a number of shooting styles so I'm getting good use out of it. I also leave my macro lens attached to the stand all the time and remove the camera to use elsewhere or to change to a different macro lens for specific purposes. I need to look at the Valoi system for scanning film, but right now I'm mainly shooting digital (flat lay macro).
Nice! Yeah, such a great option to have the lens permanently mounted to the stand.
When you said film scanning, I thought you'd be developing the film and exposing paper in a dark room, and then scanning the paper photograph with a regular photo scanner. I had no idea that people did things this way! Mind: blown.
Thats exactly what i searched for - Thank you for the detailed infos. Are u happy with the Valoi? Is the film 100% plan or should i buy the EFH?
I don't have any experience with the EFH, but I've been very happy with the Valoi products.
Hi Kyle. Great video.
2 questions:
1: why would you not use pixel shift, seems like a perfect application for it. To ieliminate false colour and aliasing. Have you tried this?
2: why use a light source that is only 95CRI ?
I can see different results when photographing someone lit by a 95CRI source vs 100 CRI, some subtle colours do get lost.
Did you consider other light sources? Did you go with this one just out of convenience ?
A lot of good information and thanks for doing the video. Tons of cool gear but I think the piece I would look for, the extension tube or lens collar with the mount. How nice to twist your camera on and be nearly ready!
Would you ever consider making a video of the same thing but for for us poor folk? Is there a way to camera scan for less than $750? Less than $500?
Hey Greg, working on a video like that right now. Hopefully will have it up next month.
I use an Olympus Pen F digital in pixel-shift high-res mode (80 MP files) and the very affordable Olympus 30 mm F4.5 macro lens. An E-M5II would do (50 MP files, somewhat resembling the GFX50). I also use this camera for digital photography, but if I would be an FF shooter who couldn't afford something like a Sony A7RII or III for scanning, I would still go with a used E-M5II and 30 mm F4.5 macro lens to do my scanning (fastest and cheapest way to get 40-50 MP scans from negatives of any size).
You could tether the camera to the computer and trigger, transfer the exposures to your PC from your PC. I do that with my Sigma sd Quattro, it also allows me to punch in with an 8x magnification on the live view via the tether app.
Very nice setup, Kyle.
Hi. I've been thinking about which camera to get and previously played with the SD Quattro but not for negative scanning. How do you find it to be for scanning negatives compared to other DSLR? Is there a color difference for example?
@@gash1 With the Art macro lens, the quality for scanning is outstanding. But the workflow is VERY slow. I also scan with the 5DsR and an L macro which provides a much faster workflow.
If you're on Mac, don't go the sd Quattro route, I could not get the tether app work on Mac.
thanks for the response@@thedarkslide
I remember vividly the Nikon Coolscan 9000 video you made and how happy you were to find that scanner almost new. Why did you move from that platform for scanning to this? Is it better? You have no discussion in here about that.
I actually did a video comparing the two, a while ago. But basically, I decided to switch, as I found the GFX very close to the same quality when it comes to 'scans', and by selling the Nikon I could purchase a GFX setup, which I also can use for photography. There was a lot of appeal in that. If money didn't matter, I'd keep both.
@@KyleMcDougall Thanks Kyle. Man, do I understand the "if money didn't matter" sentiment. Photography is an expensive hobby. I still like the self contained "magic box" element of the Nikon Coolscans lol, but I did see the comparison video and FujiFilm "scans" looked as good if not better and was faster.
Hi, finding this video very helpful, so thank you. Just one thing, and sorry if it's already been asked about - at time stamp 19:00 you applied a 'NLP profile' to the file before you even opened NLP to convert it... would you mind telling me what that 'profile' is? I'm genuinely intrigued!
That's a profile that is supplied by NLP. Whenever you import a RAW file to LR, the default Adobe Color profile is applied, which has specific contrast and colour adjustments. The NLP profile, from my understanding, has a linear curve and preps the file for conversion.
@@KyleMcDougall Oh, I thought NLP applied that profile automatically. It just confused me a little, applying it in LR before opening NLP, it doesn't say anywhere to do that. Never mind - thank you :)
Thanks.
That's pretty cool, will try something like this with the xt4, may not quite be the same thing but probably ok for me since I just shoot film like once a month, as a hobby :)
The XT4 works great as well.
@@KyleMcDougall :D
Hi, and thank you for the beautiful images you share! Regarding the lens you use, would the "SMC Pentax-FA 4/120mm Macro 645" work with the adapter you're using? Do you know if it's also a good lens? Thanx!
That's the lens I'm using in this video.
Amazing vid as always mate, I just picked up a 50r and now look forward to my home scanning adventure! In the meantime though i’m looking for a nice lens for everyday shooting with it, what’s that you’ve got on there at the start of the video? i’m currently using the TT artisans 50 1.4 m mount but it doesn’t quite cover the sensor, and the mitakon 65 looks to be the best option but it’s not exactly the lightest set up for everyday use!
Hey Jacob, I own the 35-70 GF, which is good for landscape, but not the fastest. I have an adapted Contax 45mm 2.8, which is nice as well. The Mitakon is my favourite, but yeah, definitely a bit of a tank!
hey kyle, huge fan of your videos. made me get into gfx system with mitakon and film cameras, and now im also trying to get in the film scaning workflow with 50r too. and wonder you have any plan or interesting in VALOI's new product Easy 35, planned to get Pentax-a 645 120mm f4 macro and Easy35 supports the filter thread size of this macro lens too. so thought would be awesome to hear your opinion on this kit. always really enjoying your video with both amazing photos and video. thanks again!
I should be getting my hands on one in the next month or two. But at this point, haven't had any experience with one. They look like a nice option though
awesome, can’t wait to see!!! thank you
Thanks for the video, its a really expensive setup, would be nice if that was included, equipment and software.
Thank you Kyle this is great -I have a GFX 50S and am interested in doing this.
Can I ask, how have the results been for you for printing these captures? For instance, how big have you been able to print your 50R film scans and how do these prints compare to an Imacon or Drum scan print in your opinion? Would love to know your thoughts on this! Thank you!
Very informative video Kyle thanks for that. Q for you, Are you using a similar technique for scanning 45 negs. Or of you have a seperate workflow?
Epson V700 at the moment, for 4x5.
@@KyleMcDougall Thanks Kyle. Had my lab do some scans on their v800 of my 6x17, and found them a bit soft. So have been hesitant in going down that route again. But I might give them another try for 45. Keep up the good work. P.
Just the video I needed. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed!
I will opt for this configuration. You have convinced me. But what is the setting on the fotodiox adapter for? Where should it be positioned?
That just controls the aperture on the Pentax lens, with the Pentax aperture ring set to 'A'
@@KyleMcDougall Thank you so much. The imacon in my pro lab is broken and I see a solution thanks to you ... sorry if my question seems stupid but I prefer to have all the certainties before purchasing equipment. I mainly need a scanner for 35mm negatives. Does the 645 optic allow you to benefit from maximum resolution of the gfx50? Obtaining a 24x36mm file at 4400dpi is ideal for large prints.
very interesting! It help me a lot
Absolutely amazing video! Thank you. Is there a major difference between this and 35mm film & b&w?
Cheers, Jake. Nope, same idea!
your videos are so great kyle. I've been following you now for a few years. just moved to england myself. love your work. Hey not sure if you've answered this but what filter is that on the contax 45mm 2.8? the red one? thanks!
Thank you Andrew. That is the Moment Cinebloom 5%
Nice tutorial!
Does tethering provide any advantage in terms of adjusting light/color/exposure for negs which are "off" before you take the shot? I remember when scanning slides in Epson 750 that silverfast software could make a big difference on a slide by slide basis rather than just scanning them all on the same exposure/white balance.
What is the height needed for a copy stand for film scanning with the GFX50R with the 120 mm Lens + adapter?
Depends on which film you're shooting. 35mm, 645, 6x7, etc.
Would the GFX cameras be good for 6x6 film scanning?
Thanks, great video!
Yes, but keeping in mind you will lose some resolution with the crop.
@@KyleMcDougall so it would be a more massive crop scanning 6x6 film than 6x4.5.
Looking for solution to scan my 6x6's. But dont feel like using a flabed scanner. If I could get a new camera as well it would be win win 🙂
Yes, you have to crop it quite a bit, but with something like the GFX with its high resolution, you still end up with quite a large file. Just the reality of camera scanning and 6x6.
Great video. I own a Frontier which I love but it is getting harder and harder to keep Windows XP running on a virtual machine. I would love to get access to a few of these raw files from the Fuji to see exactly what the quality is like. I’ve tried NLP a few times but have never been able to match the Frontier in terms of color.
Shoot me an email: info@kylemcdougallphoto.com. I'd be happy to send you a couple RAW files.
D'you scan large format too with this same setup? I use an Epson scanner but I would like to accelerate the whole process.I do shoot 8x10 as well: do Valoi works with film sheets? Is the Kaiser enough for 8x10? Thanks anyway, helpful video
I know close to nothing about film, but I imagine there'd be a step between getting the roll out of the camera and being able to expose it to light again right? do you do that yourself as well? I don't have anywhere near the funds or the time to do any of this, it's just curiosity :)
Yes, you have to develop the film. I do B&W myself, but send out for colour.
@@KyleMcDougall aha! interesting stuff, i bet the process is the goal right? the resulting images themselves can't justify the expense or can they?
Excellent thank you Kyle
You're welcome. Cheers.
Hi Kyle, quick question regarding the Pentax lens with the GFX 50R to scan film. Should I be ensuring the magnification on the lens itself is at 1:1 reproduction ratio using the printed numbers on the lens? or do I ignore those numbers and just get the negative to fill the frame and focus?
I just fill the frame.
@@KyleMcDougall thanks!
Wow Wow Wow, what a great great video....
Hi Kyle. Just wanted to ask you if you scanned with SilverFast in your Coolscan
I used Vuescan and then to LR/NLP.
Hi, thanks for this video. I'm also someone who has agonised over my scanning process.
How do you think the XT compare to the GFX for scanning? I assume you thought it was a worthwhile update.
I'm shooting mostly 6x6, 6x7 and 4x5. I'm leaning towards the extra resolution of GFX so I spend less time stitching in Lightroom which never really works perfectly anyway.
Plus it gives me another option for a digital camera once I have the money to buy some lenses...
Thanks!
The GFX is a much better fit for me, as I shoot mostly medium format. So I can use the entire sensor (or most of it). With the XT, I was always having to crop quite a bit off the frame as the aspect ratio was much wider.
Hii Kyle do you recommend these settings for the new fuji xt5?
Hi Nikki, you’d be fine shooting RAW, lowest ISO possible, and electronic shutter. Cheers.
Whats the reason for choosing adobergd? When you use the camera for photography do you also use that colour space?
Yes. Either AdobeRGB or ProPhotoRGB. Always after a larger colour space than SRGB.
I’m revisiting this video since I just purchased a gfx 50sii (arriving today 🙌🏼). I happen to have a late Pentax 67 Macro 135 f/4, that I’ve used with the 67ii and seems to perform well. Would you say this could work for digitizing my negatives with the 67 adapter?
I haven't used that lens, but I'm sure it would work just fine, seeing as the 645 Pentax macro is great. I'm sure the 67 macro is also good.
Hi Kyle, what lens setup do you recommend for Sony full-frame system? other than the Sony 90mm native macro. Thank you!
I thought scanners had more color bit depth. Even the Fuji runs on 14bit color unless you get the GFX 100.
Yes, the Coolscan was 16-bit. I'm not sure about others.
it's kinda crazy that I paid less for my frontier sp3000 than a Negative supply setup (minus camera) costs. Great to see valoi making something that is affordable.
on your light pad do you put color in the middle or all the way up to max? max bright?
Max bright. Although I'm now using the new light from Cinestill.
Hello Kyle ! I know this is a old video but if you see this message , I just purchased some material to scan with camera and so far less successful than my plustek scanner. You answered many questions in that video. But I wondered , do you let the lights in the room switched on ? Doesn’t it mess with the white balance and colors ?
Hey there. I don't leave the lights on in the room. Just did it for this video while filming, but re-scanned the negs under zero lighting condition.
Thanks for the nice video, I do a lot of this myself (b&w) - still could find some details to try for optimization! Btw, did you ever experience banding when using electronic shutter on yourlight panel ?
Cheers, Stefan. No banding noticed with this panel.
Any tips for 4x5 scanning with a smaller sensore camera, like sony A7II?
Thanks for sharing this, Kyle!
I have a question: what metering method do you use when scanning (in combnation with the 2/3 comp exp)?
Thank you!
I use multi-mode.
@@KyleMcDougall Thank you
Hi I have the Pentax 645 lenses & a Kipon adapter.
Do you have to adapt anything in the GFX settings to get Len’s to work?
Yep, you have to select 'shoot without lens' in the menu. Because right now the camera thinks you don't have a lens mounted.
Thanks man! 🙏
Just wanted to leave this comment for people who may be confused like I was: I didn't know why people were using an old pentax 120mm macro lens + adapter instead of just buying a gfx extension tube for the gfx 63mm lens. The extension tube doesn't give you the same coverage of the film like with a 120mm lens. You see at 12:45 when he starts scanning--the film fills the frame and you get all the megapixels of the gfx (important for me because I like printing large). If you have the 63mm + extension tube, you can only get so close and you have to crop in a bit. This is probably fine if you're posting your stuff online but it leaves a lot of megapixels on the table, which may limit you down the road depending on how large you like to print/ how much detail you want. If you already have a 50 MP GFX, may as well spend the extra ~$100 to get the full potential out of it as a scanner. there's also the added benefit that he mentioned about just being able to leave the adapter and lens mounted permanently rather than having screw and unscrew your camera to the stand each time
Any reason you couldn’t use a Pentax 67 135mm f4 macro? I realize 645 is closer to the crop medium format sensor in the GFX* systems, but as long as it covers the sensor it shouldn’t matter should it? In fact, it might be sharper given that you’re taking the center out of the 67’s full medium format coverage.
Dunno… just thinking out loud. That lens seems to be half the price of the 645 120mm.
Hello Kyle, your videos inspired me to get a GFX 50R and I am also planning to use it for film scanning so this video is just perfect! Just out of curiosity, do you know whether there would be a difference in the final result by using the Pentax vs the native Fuji 120mm or would the outcome be the same or negligible for this particular use case? I'm new to all this so just trying to understand how much lens choice actually affects the outcome when it comes to scanning film. Also wondering if using a GF 45mm or 50mm with an macro extension tube would work just as well as the Pentax or Fuji 120mm?
I can't comment on the Fuji lens, as I've never used it, but I've been very very happy with the Pentax 120 macro. It's a high quality lens, and I personally wouldn't spend the difference to get the Fuji. The extension tubes can work, but I've always preferred to use a dedicated macro lens.
@@KyleMcDougall thanks for the response! In that case Pentax it is 👍
Thanks for sharing!!
Cheers, Ryan.
Kyle, is there any benefit from doing color correction in NLP vs on the TIFF file in Lightroom?
Kyle,
I have the Valoi 120 kit, but I don't think you mentioned how you are scanning the 4x5 negatives you are making in the video? I don't think they have a holder for 4x5 correct? I'm thinking about getting the Negative Supply holder because it uses an acrylic back glass piece to ensure the film doesn't sag, but I was looking around for options before I committed to that solution (it's expensive for what you get, IMO).
They don't make a 4x5 holder. I hope one is coming though. I'm using the Pixaltr holder for 4x5.
@@KyleMcDougall OK, Thanks. I'll check them out. I've found a few products that hold 4x5 but haven't looked at that one.