A Brief Look at Texting and the Internet in Film
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Is there a better way of showing a text message in a film? How about the internet? Even though we’re well into the digital age, film is still ineffective at depicting the world we live in. Maybe the solution lies not in content, but in form.
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I like the scene in Sherlock, season 3 where we see inside Sherlock's mind as he's conversing with multiple women online. In his mind, he's inside a courtroom with many women sitting in all the seats. And throughout the scene, you see all the people he's talking with/disinterested in disappear.
I guess this is more a depiction of a character's train of thought rather than a depiction of the internet. But it's similar.
Late response, but that's similar to what's mentioned at 3:58 with chat rooms being actual rooms that people meet in.
MirroredReality . I guess it is similar. I think I just forgot about that part of the video.
I felt it was more like when he was disinterested in them/knew they weren't relevant he shut the laptops and closed their chats so they disappeared
The only good part of the second half of the series.
@@testname4464 I actually liked season 3, and the first 2 episodes of season 4. episode 3 was a letdown.
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Every Frame a Painting There wasn't any ads now you mention it.
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Anyway at the moment it feels as if the videos are too good to be true; completely free with no ads?
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And thanks Every Frame a Painting for not using ads.
+Every Frame a Painting
Please make some cash from this. It's far too well done!
On Sherlock,
I think the reason text works so well in BBC's Sherlock is because they don't use it exclusively for text messaging and internet. The screen text in Sherlock is one of the ways the creators use to show the characters' perceptions and thought processes. For instance, when Sherlock looks at something, text will often appear to show his deductions. Text sometimes appears for other characters as well, like Magnussen, and the way it's displayed tells us something about that character's perspective.
So, when there's a text message in Sherlock and we, the audience, see text appear on the screen, we aren't seeing the text message per se, we're seeing the character's perception of the text message. It works because it invites us into the character's mind. They do this in other, more elaborate ways as well.
Sherlock is largely a show about the mind, how it can be used and misused, so it makes sense thematically to include more abstract elements.
Excellent channel.
Internet has also been shown quite well in Sherlock BBC. Anyone else remember that point in the series (forgot the episode), where Sherlock was interrogating a few women in a courtroom for quite some time and it turns out that he was actually on a public chat with them
season 3 episode 2. LOVED how creative they were with that.
Olivia Brown oh thanks, had no idea which episode it was, perhaps i will rewatch soon enough ;)
You forgot Durarara. Social media is crucial to the story and its presented in a way that, while rooted in convention, maintains a air of mystery by jumbling voice actors and being very good about what to show the audience and when.
+PanicGiraffe My thoughts exactly.
yasss another drrr!! fan fuck yeah I wish some of those scenes were in this video Dx
Durarara handles it excellently
"All you need is this guy" - Cuts to Andrew Kramer... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
+Cieo Films this made my day :D
+Cieo Films hilarious!
+Cieo Films Long Live Andrew Kramer
+Cieo Films MY SAVIOUR!! xD
THAT WAS AWESOME LOLLOL
One of the better channels on youtube. What kind of mic do you use? The voice over sounds really good!
lommen1 Nothing more than an old Rode VideoMic Pro (amzn.to/1oPzG4g) plugged into a MacBook Pro. I sit on the ground in my living room. Tell my roommates to shut up. Wait whenever a car drives by. Try to stop my cat from meowing.
A great example of this is in the film Chef where our main character uses Twitter. Like in Sherlock, the text is floating next to the character, but when he tweets the words he just typed, they turn into the Twitter logo and fly out of the frame. Nice and simple.
you should do a Mr. Robot episode, love how they portray the net & linux. love that show. great channel too btw
+mike gignac You're the second person I've seen bringing that show up. What was interesting about it?
cool depiction of hacking, internet culture, antisocial behavior, hacking peoples online records to figure them out, mental disease. it was a surprisingly great original show. i also recommend a british show called utopia or utopia experiments. its dying for an american remake. but its heavy as hell!
+mike gignac Oh actually I've seen it, but I don't remember what the camera technique etc. was like. That's why I asked.
i think the DP who shot the bulk of the show works with richard linklater. i really liked the look of the show, the shots on the ferris wheel, lots more, using the camera to create isolation or paranoia. they had a cool article on vulture about it.
www.vulture.com/2015/09/mr-robot-visually-striking-cinematography.html
The movie Chef (2014) would have been a great example of how twitter is handled, it is even the support of a nice joke!
Wonderfully constructed video with great examples, and even some solutions. Was thinking about this "recent" trend of visual text messages earlier this year when I began watching Sherlock and House Of Cards... before then, few people were integrating the visual texts in this manner. I love their design, but still excited to see how future editors and directors incorporate these styles going forward.
And as a professional video editor and prominent RUclips critic myself... really enjoying your content, definitely earned yourself a subscribed. Good work :)
Yes! I love how Sherlock does this.
+HoustonProductions1 Sherlock is the best!
Thank you for making these videos. They're freakin' awesome and I learn something new every single time. Keep up the awesome sauce.
Love what you're doing with this channel, thanks Tony!
It's interesting that about a decade later, it seems like this trend has fallen far out of favor. It's not to say it never happens, but considering how ubiquitous this used to be, it's interesting to see movies step away from the "on screen text" and that now it is seen as somewhat dated.
There is an entire epsiode of Modern Family of a screen captured of Clare's phone and it hilarious
+Bosco Serrano Velasco I don't watch a whole lot of Modern Family, but I did see that one. It was pretty amazing. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
+Bosco Serrano Velasco This was my exact thought the moment he mentioned this "problem". :D It´s a shame, because it´s such a great episode. Modern Family itself is great and extremely funny. :)
+Meryl Silverburgh yep
Episode name/number please?
+Ashish Gapat S6 E16 :)
I hate the floating text message thing. It kills the realism.
Yeah… cause Transformering Alien Robots, SUPER SMART British Detectives, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and a guy named Scott battling his girlfriend's exes like he was in a videogame/anime is SOOOOO real and doesn't do it already o_O
***** also if you wanted to be super realistic, the characters in a film would be asleep for 1/3 of the movie. getting up would be a couple mins. plot would hinge on making enough coffee.
***** DON'T FORGET THE CUP OF NOODLES! NEVER FORGET THE CUP OF NOODLES!
The thing with Sherlock that I slightly disliked is that the floating text isn't just for text messages, they use it for everything! They go overboard with this effect more often than not. Soo it feels a bit "too much".
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The noodles are paramount.
Although the right way to do it seems to be Sherlock's, I prefer the House of Cards design. I just can't stand the font used in Sherlock.
The Sherlock court room scene
Tron: Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk. Nice
"End of Line". Did you get it? ;)
The fact that you Mentioned Andrew Kramer is just Awesome!
Hi, I noticed that some people were translating your video to their language.s And I translated it to Portuguese. Amazing video, by the way. Anyway, here's the subtitles:
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Oi, meu nome é Tony e este
é "Every Frame a Painting".
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Hoje vou variar o tema um pouco e
falar sobre resolução de problemas.
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Uma das razões pela qual eu gosto da produção
de filmes é que às vezes você tem que projetar
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uma solução para um recorrente
problema em particular.
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Por exemplo, como você mostra uma
mensagem de texto em um filme?
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É um dilema interessante.
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Mensagens de textos são meio que visuais,
portanto, em teoria, isso não deveria ser difícil.
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E, no entanto, cada vez que um cineasta
corta para uma inserção de um telefone...
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você pode ouvir o bocejo da audiência.
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Muitos filmes simplesmente fazem com que os
personagens não mandem mensagens de texto
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ou que leiam as mensagens
em voz alta como idiotas.
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Ou pior, eles inventam alguma razão para
os telefones não estarem funcionando.
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“97% de cobertura em todo o país e nós
acabamos indo parar nos 3% por cento.”
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Mas nos últimos 4 ou 5
anos algo aconteceu.
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Cineastas passaram a adotar
uma nova convenção formal:
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a mensagem de texto na tela.
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Ela explodiu em apenas alguns anos.
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Eu notei isso pela primeira vez
na versão da BBC do Sherlock.
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Mas após consultar o Twitter, encontramos
exemplos anteriores em novelas,
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filmes para adolescentes
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e em filmes da Coreia do Sul e Japão.
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Independentemente de onde
você viu pela primeira vez,
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esse é um grande exemplo de como o
forma dos filmes está sempre evoluindo.
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Então, por que cineastas
estão adotando isso?
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Eu acho que há 3 razões simples.
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Primeiro, isso economiza dinheiro.
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Se você tem uma história onde
mensagens de texto é importante,
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o diretor pode poupar um rio de dinheiro
ao não filmar 60 close-ups de telefones.
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Tudo que você precisa é do
After Effects e desse cara:
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“Andrew Kramer aqui para
o videocopilot.net...”
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Em segundo lugar, é artisticamente eficiente.
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Filmagens "shot-reverse" é demorado
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porque o telefone tem que permanecer
na tela tempo suficiente para lermos.
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Às vezes, em enorme, fontes tão grandes
que até sua avó conseguiria ver.
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Mensagens de texto na tela resolvem boa
parte disso, ela nos permite combinar
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ação e de reação na mesma imagem.
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E o melhor de tudo, isso nos dá uma visão ininterrupta
da atuação do ator, o que é sempre bom.
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Mas há uma terceira razão pela qual isso
tem sido notado: design elegante.
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E é aí que Sherlock se destaca.
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Isto é bonito, em si e por si.
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Você vai notar: não há nenhuma
bolha ao redor do texto, porque
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a bolha é a primeira coisa
que se torna obsoleta.
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A fonte permaneceu consistente para
cada temporada do seriado.
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A cor é branca em vez de cores diferentes
para personagens diferentes.
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Não nos é dito quem está enviando ou recebendo,
o que é ótimo porque agora o público tem
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que deduzir baseado na mensagem,
o que aumenta o nosso envolvimento.
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As palavras aparecem ao lado do telefone
mas elas flutuam independente.
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Compare isso com este filme,
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onde as mensagens se movem como se
estivessem conectadas ao dispositivo.
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Não, espere, à pessoa.
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Não, ao dispositivo, decida-se!
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Então, quem sabe?
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Talvez isso será uma nova convenção, talvez
seja apenas um degrau para algo além.
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“NÃO.”
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Mas enquanto o Sherlock parece ter resolvido
como exibir mensagens de texto,
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nós temos um outro problema.
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Muitas pessoas têm tentado,
mas nós ainda não temos
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aquela maneira definitivamente boa
para representar a internet.
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Alguns métodos não são
exatamente baratos.
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Outros são meio que ineficientes.
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E outros...
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bem, você sabe...
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Eu, na verdade, sou um grande
fã de um novo desenvolvimento:
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o "filme de desktop", onde toda a ação
se desenrola diretamente na tela.
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“Deixe-me lhe mostrar...”
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Eu só posso falar por mim, mas
esses filmes são realmente
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bem semelhantes à forma como eu
recebo informações diariamente.
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Alguns têm ressonância emocional.
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Alguns são misteriosos.
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E alguns são maravilhosamente experimentais.
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Mas se você realmente quer explorar a
vanguarda, só há um lugar para ir.
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"Uma passagem para Tóquio, por favor."
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Onde, pelas últimas 2 décadas, animações
tem bolado loucas e novas maneiras
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de mostrar ao mundo on-line.
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Sejam elas super planas e flutuantes,
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ou mensagens em fóruns como intertitulos,
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ou se conectar a um mundo
online verde separado.
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E há um monte de outras
fascinantes possibilidades
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que podem ou não funcionar
em outros filmes,
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mas que valem a pena serem consideradas.
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Mesmo filmes live-action de
diretores asiáticos tentaram isso,
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salas físicas onde pessoas conversam,
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ou um mundo animado dentro do celular.
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Todas essas abordagens são experimentos,
e algumas são honestamente falhas.
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Mas isso é bom, porque as
pessoas estão tentando.
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E pela primeira vez, esse
é um campo nivelado.
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Você e eu temos tanta chance de descobrir a
solução quanto o próximo filme de Hollywood.
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Para algo assim, a falta de
dinheiro é uma vantagem.
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Lembre-se: barato, eficiente e elegante.
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Até onde eu sei, a solução já foi inventada.
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“Um hacker...”
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Poxa, o Sherlock talvez já tenha descoberto.
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Mas enquanto isso eu acho que é agradável apreciar
um pequeno passo formal na direção certa.
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Isso é a prova que a forma de filmes
não está talhada na pedra.
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As pessoas não param de
inventar essas coisas.
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E, ao menos nesse momento, eu vejo um
grande problema que não resolvemos ainda.
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E um campo extremamente nivelado
para quem quiser se aventurar.
Eric P. Alvaro holy damn, nice work, must've taken quite some time
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Hey Tony,
I really enjoy your videos and analysis on film styles and techniques. I would love to see more videos like this across the web. Are there any other channels/documentaries that have inspired you to make these? Just wondering as I really enjoy videos that analyze these sort of things. :)
Keep up the awesome work.
Walter Benson Yeah if you hit up Vimeo and look for David Chen, Kevin B. Lee, kogonada and Matt Zoller Seitz, I watched all their stuff before I made my first video. I also obsessively read David Bordwell's blog (www.davidbordwell.net/blog). And then DVD special features/commentaries and stuff like that. It's all kinda scattered about on the internet, which is the one sucky thing.
While they can be scattered across the internet, I appreciate the names you listed! I'll be sure to look them up. Thanks! :)
The movie "Frank" with Michael Fassbender seemed to do this very well.
Stepping back for a wider view, I've been vexed for the past decade about the existence of cell phones and how they have completely changed the dynamics of storytelling in films/entertainment set in the present day. No more missed connections, people unable to be reached/located, being lost. And with the internet, no lack of basic information or knowledge.
Remember Die Hard 2? A whole scene is about McClane trying to find a public phone to make a call.
To achieve the old complications, there are dead zones, dead/dying batteries, missed calls, lost or damaged devices. And new complications have arisen, or in some cases new twists on old complications. Like inputting or getting the wrong information in an internet search. Or having a phone traced, so not only is the device now a threat, the character will probably also chuck it, reducing themselves to the lost, unable to be reached, missed connection human of old.
But the problem is that those examples are all contrivances to remove or hinder communication, and the big issue is that instant communication HAS to be addressed somehow.
I mean, that's life, that's society, but I feel it's something that's watered down fiction a bit. Try watching All the President's Men in 2014. It's not dated so much as shows an incredibly different and more difficult era of information-gathering without electronic resources.
I disagree. Lack of communication is one of the most cliché, boring and sort of lazy plot devices. From Romeo and Juliet to nearly every generic horror movie, I always sigh and roll my eyes almost whenever that is used in storytelling. Use some new and interesting ways to create tension between characters.
I'm not talking about stories in which the entire plot hinges on miscommunication. I mean that now, if a character wants to know something or get in touch with someone, there is no excuse for them not to be able to. What would Planes, Trains, and Automobiles be if they could just look on expedia?
A look at texting and the internet in film that shows the importance of it. Using text bubbles has become outdated, and as soon as they add modern elements into it, the film then becomes dated. There are many ways to show texting and the internet in the film. With texting, it is non-diegetic, as the characters don’t actually see the texts above them, but we do. And a lot of texting isn’t named so you can’t see who is receiving or sending, so you’re forced to interact and be immersed to understand the development of the plot, and who sent it. Also, it is like an extension of the character’s personal inner world, the way of communicating nonverbally because speaking through another medium and it’s an ease of access of information to understand it seamlessly. It’s also a stylistic choice, and director’s took a while to get the right stylistic choice. But, with the Internet, no one has found the necessarily right formula yet, except just bringing the internet as the eye of the film itself like in cyber-bullying movies. The animated depiction of the internet is a 3d-physical representation: the same way we do with angels and mythology. I think because the internet and these celestial beings are like 4d objects and we are 3d objects, so we have to ... ‘degrade’ it to our perception. The internet is the light, the screen is a cathedral with stained glass windows reflecting the light.
Dude I inhaled a piece of a pringle at Andrew Kramer outa nowhere and have been coughing for 20 minutes.
ALL ABOUT LILY CHOU CHOU!
It is the film of films! It is the birth of the age of grey! It is melancholy incarnate! It is the pioneer of the internet!
Thumbs up for Andrew Kramer, the guy who taught me everything I now about After effects!
You used Sherlock as an example of texting done right in film today, but what do you think of their attempt of depicting interactions on the Internet? In the 2nd episode of Season 3, they showed Sherlock chatting online with a group of people, but they depicted the action in a physical space, with Holmes interviewing the witnesses in a classroom setting. Is this skeumorphism something that filmmakers can use?
the fils SEARCHING in my opinion did a really good job in depected the internet and how most people use it
I'd really like to see this guy do an episode on Serial Experiments Lain. Just off the top of my head, perhaps the way the series depicted a world in which the internet is deeply ingrained into society, despite being made many years before that actually happened in reality.
I'm 16 and just starting out as a filmmaker, and I want you to know that I get genuinely excited every time I see an upload from you. You've taught me so much in the last few months. Please never stop
How is it going?
How is it going?
God Tony, I was going to search for something else three videos ago, stop making these video so good!
I really liked the way Sherlock did texting. Something about the font choice they used was clean and efficient, but not outdated and textbook. It also sort of emphasized the "thinking outside the box" motif Sherlock has.
Thanks for the video! I really enjoy these and it's fun learning about an art form I've had no former experience in analyzing.
Honestly I like the closeups more than the floating text, which seems gimmicky and disconnected from both the scene and whatever sense of reality we have.
I could not disagree more. Nothing breaks imersion more than a 16 year old typing in 20 pt. times new roman with an interface that looks like it was ripped straight out of the dial up era.
+Babalooza I agree. I want to see real cinema as we experience life. I look at a phone to read a text, I don't see imaginary letters floating in space. It's nearly comical to me.
+jonathanwing That's a great point. That's actually the same challange for the internet: To somehow visualize it without adding surrealism and style. Just and only the information we need.
jonathanwing That's actually what makes written text so much more powerfull than any other media. "The woman received the message that her son died." can't exactly be expressed in cinema. Films must be very specific, while written text can give you only the information you need.
+Merthalophor I wouldn't say it is more powerful than any other medium; I would say each medium has their own power, their own benefits of use for a creative effect. For example, "The woman received the message that her son died" is very efficiently conveyed in writing, but cinema offers you her expression, her reaction to the news, in a powerful way (provided that the actor is good) that no other medium can convey. But also, cinema can show an insert of a message such as "The woman received the message that her son died" or even have a phone call in which a doctor calls and simply says, "I'm sorry miss, your son died..."
that episode from modern family that takes action entirely on a lap top is a very good example of internet depiction in films... that episode is genius.
love the track from tron ost here
I relly like approach from The Social Network: the hacking/programming scenes might not the the best in terms of film, but they are very accurate and do a great job of explaining what's happening without getting boring. The accuracy part is my favorite: with all directors trying to shove tech jibber-jabber that makes no sense down our throats for a few pretty/cool frames, a film that actually depicts how computers work ends up being fresh and original...
Diego Ficagna Yeah it is the little things, like how all the browsers are their 2003 versions. I also chuckled when Justin Timberlake picked up an old iBook.
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The IT Crowd (TV Show) is also pretty good in this aspect, even if it drops accuracy when it gets in the way of comedy, which is reasonable I think.
this comment make me want to see The Social Network one more time :)
Melia Mandrasari That movie is worth seeing more than once!
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You've really opened my eyes to the filmmaking aspect of Japanese animation. Thanks. I actually used text messaging in my last video that I thought worked pretty well. Keep up the good work. Love this channel.
Ha, the video copilot shot was great. I thank him for all my after effects stuff, and I thank you for reminding me about it.
I think BBC Sherlock did a great job with not only texting, but internet as well. In season 3, he had laptops all around chatting with different women. Then it transition into a different scene with all the women physically there and him in the middle, since he was the middle man of the whole thing. Its like how you were talking about going into the internet world.
Hackers is my guilty pleasure.
"Spandex; it's a privilege, not a right!"
Hack the planet!
I agree that Sherlock has come up with the most elegant solution. Mr.Robot wasn't out in 2014, I would be curious to know your opinions on how they deal with technology. For me it feels seamless, it's faithful to both the technology and film making, they're not at odds with each other as is often the case.
Modern Family's desktop film episode was done very well. I think everybody should check it out.
Sherlock is the best
velvetbeauty07 Ain't that the truth
velvetbeauty07 except the new series
Honestly, I'd like to see an interpretation of the internet as an ocean. It's how I think of it, and it really just sort of fits. Shallows filled with toys and rocks, reefs with innumerable chairs, open ocean with a maze of phones and cables and screens, stuff like that.
+Four8844 try watching mardock scramble, they did that, or at least something pretty similar. the trilogy kinda lost me in the casino arc, but the first film is great and the rest is still worth watching once.
voices0000 Suggestion noted. Probably going to try reading the original novels first, though.
i didn't even realize the novels were translated. neat.
이분적인 평가만 아니라 다양한 방식들을 보여줘서 좋아요.
인터넷을 표현하는 방식과 영화속의 전자기기 속의 대화가 아직 첫 걸음마를 내딛고있는거라 느껴요.
You must have massive edit bins full of film examples that could possibly apply to analytical comment in the future. Is that your process? Or do you write content first, then scower your media for relevant clips? I hope that question makes sense
peter vazquez Most of these ideas I've had in my head for years. I'm also lucky that I have a pretty good memory for clips (working as an editor does help).
For these videos, my process is:
1) Pick topic and thesis. Jot down what I remember from memory. Start reading and scouring internet.
2) Grab five or six films I know have examples and start organizing.
3) Work outwards, watching other films, grabbing clips, until I have a couple hrs of just clips. (Steps 1-3 take about 2+ weeks)
4) Start writing based on the clips.
5) Record first pass and edit clips until I have a watchable cut (usually the first minute or so)
6) Repeat steps 4 & 5 a lot.
7) At this point, the thesis inevitably changes, so I go with it. Sometimes I have to go back to step 3. (Steps 4-7 take about 8 hours)
8) Sleep overnight, leaving it unfinished.
9) Wake up, watch the cut, tweak and adjust as necessary. Usually at this point is when I chop off entire sections of the video. This video was originally 7 minutes long and lost 2 minutes a couple hours before release.
10) Get feedback from roommates, girlfriend, myself. Rewrite, re-edit.
11) Release (Steps 8-11 take 4 hours).
+Every Frame a Painting Damn. You're a great editor and a great writer! love the way your mind works! perfect balance between "left" and "right" brain.
+Every Frame a Painting Wow you sleep less than 4 hours? :P
how about internets depiction in one of Fairy Odd Parent's episode ?
Don't you mean Timmy?
i see what you did there
i'm a simple woman: i see a sherlock screencap as the thumbnail, i click
1:38 if a director has Andrew Kramer onboard, rest assured his job is done with highest quality 😀
House of Cards and Sherlock seem to do it well
Does anyone know what the song is at the end of the video? It's so cool and funky. I love it. 4:50
LOL "Andrew Kramer here". Awesome Video Copilot plug.
Sherlock in the 2nd season also had a scene where he was in a 'chat room' with some people (or just a private chat) and they represented it by him being in a court looking room talking to each woman as he tried to figure out common threads. I wasn't a huge fan of that approach, but it was an interesting way to try and give both Sherlock and the women he was talking to a way to 'act' and not just be letters on a screen.
the far weaker bit of that entire scene was him having an army of laptops he was typing on! What, he couldn't run multiple windows on one screen?
Chise a I forgot about that part, yeah that was pretty.... sigh... dumb of Sherlock to need multiple computers for that.
it was season 3
'Hell, Sherlock may have figured it out.'
1 year, and I've only just gotten that joke.
Back after watching Ms. Marvel. Such a unique way to show texting.
Another good episode. I'm digging the idea of focusing not on a specific director, but on some other kind of specific element. I'm curious though if you have any evidence backing up the notion that displaying the texts as motion graphics rather than shooting a cutaway of the phone would be cheaper. You still have to pay for peoples time whether it's the camera crew setting up a shot for the phone close up, a graphics designer or the editor doing the work themselves.
Kyle Evans This is a good point; I can only go off my own experience and anecdotal evidence here, but I had four reasons.
1) A huge number of phone close-ups in TV shows and films are actually shot blue/green screen and then composited in later. In that situation, it's definitely cheaper to use text, b/c you're paying a motion graphics guy anyway.
2) Editors like myself are increasingly being asked to do motion graphics "as a mock-up" during the editing phase, so I'd probably be asked to do this with the tracking tool in Motion/AE/Avidl. If a producer liked it enough, my version would stay and we wouldn't use the motion graphics guy (I disagree with this, but I don't control the purse strings).
3) There is no way I am paid more in one hour than an entire production crew is paid for 5 minutes. No way.
4) There is only one immutable law in filmmaking: some idiot will always say "fix it in post."
a really interessting way of showing the internet in movies is in the german movie who am i, you should give it a try:D
Great video man, always looking forward to you next one
I was thinking of showing the culture and location via the way the characters use internet. For example one person for example from States or Western Europe would use Google search and Facebook, other character for example from Russia or Ukraine would be using Yandex search and VKontakte. Does anyone know has any filmmaker used such method yet?
That raises problems with licensing and also the fact that such sites may become obsolete or have their looks radically change, thereby dating the scene. This is why most TV shows prefer to use made-up sites instead.
I love how they do it in Sherlock, it looked really professional and unique to the programme another reason to love Sherlock! :D
I really like the example provided at 1:17
It feels like the shot was framed with the intention of there being the message in it
I’ve always found it really bothersome to me when this weird unnatural UI appears on screen and kind of breaks my immersion
If I could feel like the shot was made for the message to be in it, rather than it just showing up, I think I’d like that a lot more and view it as a really creative solution and would do less to pull me out of the movie
I'm afraid to even include texting in a film because I fear it will date it.
+Jinsei Kyuzai Yeah thats an interesting thought. I'm always wary of including a phone in a film because i know its going to be outdated and laughed at in 4 years
+Jinsei Kyuzai The film will still be dated by many other things. Cars may be driverless in ten years. Smartphone may change in ten years. What's the problem with it ? There are movies being made today where the story is set before smartphone era and they use flip phones. Doesn't that date it?
+Jinsei Kyuzai I'm afraid to have the actresses in my film wear clothes because I fear it will date it.
+Jinsei Kyuzai Why not enjoy having a sort of "snapshot into how our world works right now." It's always interesting to me to be able to look at films that happened pre-cell phone and be like "Why doesn't he just CALL for -- oh, right, no cell phone." I experience that every time I watch High Fidelity, and he can't get a hold of her at home, because her home number was his home number. He had to call her at work, and then dial for information when he discovers where she's living. And just a few years later, that whole scenario is basically impossible without someone expressly refusing to get a cell phone or blocking him or whatnot. I dunno, it preserves the nuances of world for future generations, yknow?
I always wait for your new videos to come out and you never fail to enlighten me! Your videos are what we aspiring filmmakers and film aficionados need on RUclips. Very informative and entertaining. I even take down notes from your videos. Thanks Tony! I hope you keep on doing this :)
Yet another solid and tightly edited installment. All of your videos so far have addressed intriguing and useful concepts that progresses film's ability to get the message to the viewer in different ways.
Great work, always looking forward to the next one.
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Quick question, why DOES hip hop suck in 96?
It's the money.
We should ask Josh that...
Hardcore Henry did a pretty good job with this, phone call in background so you can hear dialogue while showing the one piece of information on the phone screen. It doesn't interrupt the flow since the movie is first person.
Has there been a solution you've noticed in the 2 years you made this video?
The only problem with text on screen is it reminds you you watching a movie. I like watching a movie and forgot I was even doing that. I want to be in the story, but when text on screen appears I remember I was watching a film.
I love how text messages can give a little extra characterization, like when a character in House of Cards adds a ":^)" or the like. The grammar of text messages is something we all notice and something film can play with if they don't want text messages to just be as brief as possible.
Sherlock probably the most elegant out from all I seen, the composition are well done throughout, like how 2:10 shown.
What about the Sherlock Season 3 Chatroom?
Hey, Tony, there's probably no way you'll ever see this, but if you like desktop filming, anime's use of text and Satoshi Kon (which I know you do) check out an anime music video made from Kon's Perfect Blue, it's called "Fade to Blue." You may like it.
great video as always . keep them coming :)
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned/referred to the scene from Sherlock, S3E2 (The Sign of Three) where his virtual conversation with multiple women is represented by his standing in a room, surrounded by those women. :)
Another reason I hate showing the phone is that it dates the film/show. I can sort of glaze over a dim shot of a 5 year old phone and feel it's still up to date, but a close up of a flip phone and I have a frackin' identity crisis like "How old is this movie? I thought this was current day. Wait did we use those phones 5 years ago? That's not that long ago... so much has changed. How old am I? Why do I feel so disconnected from myself five years ago?!"
I first noticed the on-screen style of text (although it was done before) in House of Cards and I really like it. Somehow it fits how you feel reading a text yourself. You still have the background but, as those safe driving ads point out, you're not really paying conscious attention to it. You still see Frank's look in the background as you point out and take it in but for a second the input is more passive.
that's a great wallpaper
Always crazy to forget this channel is 8 years old, and I can't reference almost anything from the last decade because of this. I was waiting for Mr. ROBOT to be brought up for the whole video only to realize it premiered a year after this video was made. Weird
What do you think about Nerve?
That what I was thinking about as I watched this! I really liked how they did it
My complaint for the House of Cards texting is that it shows the time the message is sent. When the texting conversation drags on for several minutes but the time doesn't change on screen, that can be a little distracting. Just leave the time out if you're not going to be consistent about it.
mr robot depicted perfectly the internet.
its not a film its a serie
If anyone wants to know how to a good job at showing the internet during actual live shots, go check out The Verge. (check out the Windows 10 review) It's quite pleasant for the most part.
This may seem unrelated, but I remember in a Netflix show Sense8, when characters would communicate telepathically, the character not in the scene would appear over the shoulder of the present one. That probably wouldn't work for most needs, but I think it could be a cool visual concept. Like, have the character who sent a text appear and say the message out loud, sort of like the character receiving it is imagining them say it to them. Maybe you could have something where the receiver imagines what the sender is doing by having the scene smoothly cut to the receiver in a new setting. I don't know, I've always liked when what a character is thinking overlays visually with what is actually happening around them. Basically the only reason I liked Sense8, come to think of it.
this has been a question eating away at me for quite some time lol glad to know I wasn't the only one wondering :D i'm *not* crazy after all
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Really the text message problem is the same as the old letter problem. How do you incorporate reading into the film, when people read at different speeds and you don't want to just stop the action.
I personally really dislike the text bubbles appearing on screen, as it seldom seems done well and instead just comes across to me like they found how to do it in After Effects and jobs done. If the actor was reacting to it in an important way then that would be something, but it's usually a mid-to-wide shot with them just gawping at their device. So it's not conveying any extra info. I also think that the text bubbles downplays the inherent privacy of text messages a lot of the time.
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Something small I really liked in The Killer (2023) was when The Killer typed there would be small mistakes and he would have to correct them. It is such a human detail that adds a wonderful realisitc feeling to the movie.
Don't fool us. We all know The Emoji Movie has the best depiction of texting and the internet.
Weakest episode to date, but I love you anyway.
Beautiful video as always guy(s)! These are always a treat to see in the subscription box :)
I love these videos man. Never stop making them, a rare pleasant surprise every time I watch a new one. :)
That AK insert killed me.
He's done it again.
For some reason whenever I think of the concept of the internet on film I go directly to how it was depicted in the Digimon movie. It's use of symbols rather than the actual thing kinda stuck with me even though I saw it ages ago.
There was a Skype episode of modern Family. I thought it was done to perfection
There is a German movie called "Who am I?". It's about hackers, and when they meet online, the actors interact with each other in some sort of dark club or a bus or something like that, and they always wear masks disguising themselves. I really liked that, because they could actually show one of them giving a key to someone else and stuff like that.