Medium Format vs Full Frame Sensor Comparison - Is bigger really better? Deep Dive
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Hi, I was using full frame cameras since a long time (Nikon D800, Sony A 7 R III A7 IV, A7 R V) and the best lenses on each system, no zoom's at all for this very long period. Since a year now I sold every thing and bought a GFX 100 (first generation) , a 45-100 and a 80 f1.7. I'm mainly concerned by studio work (I build my own). Recently I put on the wall in an exhibition a portrait in a square format (1.2x1.2m) cropped in the original file. The quality was just incredible ! I had taken the picture with water falling on the face and I have one drop on the eyebrow perfectly in focus (and of course the eye) but the drop falling in front of the same eye was just starting the out of focus zone with such a sweet rendering. I never saw that with my Sony A 7 R V and the 85 1.4 GM or the 100 STF (which is an incredible lens). It's not possible to go back if you're using this kind of gear the right way. Oh ! it was taken with the zoom (45-100) at 100mm F5.6. I will surely sell the 80mm, as the 45-100 is so good !
Great response - sounds like you got outstanding results!
A lot of people love the 45 - 100 lens which is on my shortlist!
@jean-marcfroehlinger8749 I love my GFX cameras yes I have two ...wheh you have shot GFX you ain't going back lol 😆
There's just too many fascinating possibilities with Medium Format that I simply cannot ignore.
Can you name some that cannot be done with a Full Format camera? I am genuinely interested, I am also looking at medium format but can’t find the good reasons.
Don't tease us, what are they ? ?
This was a really helpful video, Leigh. I loved especially the few seconds about "getting out there" and taking more pictures. Oh my gosh, at 5 am it is so much easier to watch a RUclips photography video than taking pictures. That's my stumbling block. For me, seeing what I can do with the Nikon Z bodies and lenses I already have is more important than changing brands or sensor sizes.
And here I'm still using my old and still functioning DSLRs. Sooner or later I'll go mirrorless (and maybe even shutterless) but I'm still undecided on which system.
I absolutely think you should use what you have until you really want or need something else. DSLRs are still amazing!
I love my compact 61 megapixel sony a7cr and tiny x100v over my larger cameras for travel
Thank you for taking the time to put together this comparison. The detailed comparison and explanation was just the right amount needed.
Thanks for watching! :)
Really, really interesting. Five minutes into watching on my standard iPad, I switched over to watching on a 55” tv in 2160p, which made a big difference. I doubt I’d have seen much difference on the iPad. On the tv, the Fuji’s photos of the stars looked more 3d. Not “better”, but there seemed to be more depth. Great video.
Thanks for sharing this! It’s true that the screen makes a huge difference in how photos look.
Thanks for this video. You are absolutely right, at 16:20 to point out the importance of the availability of lenses for specific use cases, as there are many situations where lens selection for any of the mainstream full frame cameras will be a lot better, and often with more competitive pricing on the second hand market. For this specific purpose, it is really important to know how to get images as similar as possible across different systems, which brings me to the next point.
At 8:20, if you are trying to compare like for like, then it might make more sense to use the same aperture diameter, instead of the f-number. Typically, if you want to have images as similar as possible between 2 digital cameras, simply apply the crop factor to both focal length and f-number, use the same shutter speed, and use auto-ISO (ISO is mostly irrelevant for digital cameras). You will get the same depth of field, because that's just physics and independent of the camera, and it will be a lot easier to assess and compare the optical qualities from the different lenses.
I love your channel! Glad this popped up on my feed!!!!
I use 1", MFT, just retired my APS-C in favor of MFT. APS-C was my main format since 2006, and I use FF. And of course, my phone, but I do not know the sensor size.
Excellent review that does a great job of highlighting pros and cons of the Fuji GFX 100S ii upgrade over full frame and smaller. It is clearly not as simple as some promotional videos claim........ Ultimately it's the photographer's skill that will make or break the final photographic outcome. Having said that in the right hands the GFX100s ii can deliver superior results for large prints of landscape and portraiture to most full frame cameras.
I look forward to your upcoming GFX videos - because there is a lot of fun to be had with 3rd party lenses that many of your viewers will already own!
This was a fun and enjoyable video. I think I will stick with what I have. I am quite the opposite of you, getting night shots of the milky way, I go close in macro photography. It's fun and that is how we need to look at taking pictures. What I find is that even a 24mp sensor can yield excellent images, both in full frame and aps-c format. It's all in how you take the photos, what lenses, lighting, etc.
What I get from this video is the we really don't need a medium format camera. If you pixel shift using a Sony A7R4/5 with its 61mp sensor, you will get an image file so big you need a large hard drive to save it. Not only does one need to know cameras, they need to know computers.
I understand your explanation on the astrophotography comparison, but I still don't believe F4 2500 ISO VS F1.4 ISO 1600 is "apples to apples". That said, limited lens availability and cost of those lenses is a big hurdle to use medium format but no question medium format image quality is superb.
That’s simply how I chose to do my comparison. There are an infinite number of ways to compare the two. If I had more time with the GFX camera, I absolutely would have done more comparing!
Chris Hau put out a great video a couple years ago where he had photographers try to guess between images shot on the 12 MP A7SIII and a 100 MP Medium Format (Fuji I think) camera. They looked at side by sides of social media sizes, full size on computer sized to fit the monitor, medium size print (8x10 I think) and LARGE poster size print. They couldn't pick the right one. In fact more often than not they thought the 12 MP image was from the 100 MP medium format camera (everybody thought this on the large poster print in fact).
This is a great point. Like I said in the video, sometimes I had to examine the images quite closely to see the difference. Certainly, some subjects/situations will show the difference more readily, but it’s not always easy to see!
Great video!
What really helped me to make sense of this was to remember…
“A lens of a specific focal length will retain the DOF characteristics of that focal length regardless of what camera it is put in front of”.
For example, a 90mm lens on a 6x7 medium format camera will have the same DOF characteristics as an 90mm lens on a 35mm camera.
It’s the crop factor where the medium format “magic”happens. :-)
A 90mm lens on a 6x7 medium format camera produces a 45mm field of view (in 35mm format).
So if you take a 6x7 camera with a 90mm lens and a 35mm camera with a 45mm lens and set them up at the same distance, same aperture…you will have the same composition but the 6x7 will have a shallower DOF.
This can lead one to believe that medium format intrinsically has a shallower depth of field. But when you factor in the focal length you realize this is not the case.
That being said, it is true that a medium format camera will have a shallower DOF when compared to a 35mm camera utilizing a lens to match its FOV all other things being equal. And this is what gives medium format it’s distinctive look which to me is “Wide angle with a shallow DOF” :-)
Hope I made sense!
Well said!
@@LeighAndRaymond, can't wait to see more videos in this series. Thanks Leigh!
Leigh & Raymond, nice to run into you at the Gilbert Riparian today. Leigh, I found that menu setting that we talked about, it was just a loose nut behind the camera and had a setting not turned out, LOL
A balanced, informative and diplomatic review. Liked!
Thank you!
Thank you and congratulations on creating the reference video on this topic. You answered all of my questions and have quelled my GAS. I have bounced around from brand to brand and format MFT, APS-C, and 35mm. I have landed on the Lumix S5iix. The functionality and colors out of this camera are amazing. (Ecstatic we got Leica Monochrome the other day.) The lens catalog is extensive... way more than I will ever need or afford.
I have toyed several times with buying a medium format camera, but I am pretty sensitive about weight. I like hiking to places that are off the beaten path. (Instagram doesn't need more images of mesa arch. :) ) At the end of the day, for the first time in a long time, I'm very satisfied with the S5iix.
Again, thank you for your effort in creating this video and thanks to KEH for their sponsorship.
Thanks for sharing! I love our S5II bodies. I haven’t used the S5IIX but I’m sure it’s just as amazing. :)
Can you make a video about how you trail run with your cameras? I remember that you packed your gear in a Lowepro photo sport aw ii some years ago. Is it still holing up to the task or has it made way for something else for your trail running?
Great question and great timing. I have a new PhotoSport on the way right now. I’ll be making a video about it but your comment gave me the idea to expand what I discuss. I’ll definitely include all the ways I carry cameras on the trails. Thanks for the idea!
Great video; thank you Leigh!! Yes, pros and cons to all sensor sizes, and the use cases are important. The upcoming video of full frame lenses on medium format is something I have been considering. I have some M-mount lenses, and 102MP cropped to full frame is 61MP. And why not crop larger than full frame (until vignetting is an issue)? I have an X-H2, and it took me a little while to get used to it after using X100V and X-T3/4/5 bodies, and the GFX bodies are most similar to the X-H2 (except no D-Pad). There are too many good choices out there today 🙂
Great video! I have been looking to upgrade from Fuji APSC, had looked at the GFX, but the lack of choices in lenses led me to look at L mount. I am stuck between a used SL2 for the 47 mp sensor and crop-ability, or the S5II with the latest focusing improvements. The part I like about the L mount is the huge range of lenses that are affordable from Lumix and Sigma. Your channel is great for the way you work with your systems, not just testing every new product coming out.
The big question when researching lenses is deciding what lenses do I actually need. There is range of glass here, that covers wide angle to telephoto. Zooms and primes.
On the Fuji the travel kit lens is great for general purpose. Fast zooms aren’t made for this system because of the size and weight they would have to be.
You can adapt EF lenses to the GFX to achieve the same as or better imagery than the 35mm counterparts
Definetly! I use my F1.2 and Otus Lenses with my gfx100 - and the Image quality is absolutely stunning
What is your favorite lens to use?
@@LeighAndRaymond I like using the sigma 85 mm 1.4, Zeis 85 mm 1.4 manual, my DZO vespid primes and the Canon EF 135 mm. I also use the EF L 35 1.4 to get very nice wide angle shots of clients or landscapes. All of these lenses provide little to no vignette
Yes , I am on board with you adopting full frames lens onto your medium format cameras !!! Can't wait until you make the comparison with only one lens manufacturer ! Hopefully , this will be with Sigma that can be adopted to different camara's manufacturer ! I'm looking forward to seeing your upcoming review ! Thank you !
Thanks for the video. The majority of the video was comparing landscape astro/lowlight photography at infinite focus. What did we learn, cameras behave about the same. What could we have learned between the systems.
1. Medium format has a larger image plane by .8; which means a better reproduction ration.
2. Bokeh is overrated? Distance to subject is an important variable, but lens characteristics change the quality of this. It does not change that the bokeh will occur at a distance. A big advantage here is if your in a tighter space using a MF lens; you can have a wider field of view and blur the background more. Especially using Fuji 1.7 lenses (1.36 equivalent to FF)
3. Color transitions are often better with medium format.
4. Full frame to a larger format full frame equals not a whole lot of difference for causal shooting.
5. 2:3 vs 4:3 aspect ratio is actually a big deal especially for portrait work.
6 more megapixels doesn’t equal better image, it’s just more resolution.
7 Microcontrast is better on MF probably by .8x
8. returning to out of focus rendering a tiny cell sensor to medium format at the same distance and aperture will demonstrate greater depth of field, everything will be in focus. M34 and apsc are great for Astro work for this reason
9. MF is a slower system to utilize. It’s not a sports action camera, But they do take an image that for me given the lens and camera combination has more realism in it.
10. The Fuji can be more versatile because you can adapt all types of lenses to it so you can shoot Nikon canon m mount lenses on it as well ; plus other medium format glass should that be of interest.
It’s like you said know your camera and lens combo for what it does.
@@paullefko I've shot sports with the 100s ii and 100-200 lens no problems...7 frames a second...is enough and auto focus in the two new GFX cameras is amazing
@@nevvanclarke9225 That's fantastic to hear!. I have the 50S2 but I just use it as a single shot camera. I tried the 100-200, I am thinking about getting it as well. would love to hear more about your experiences with this lens.
This video was one of the better ones, it touched indirectly on your point 1 and 2, but yes, it could use more attention. Perspective distortion is fundamental to optics but somehow these comparisons often skip it. Maybe someone should make an analog large format comparison to help understand the issue for a given focal length at a given distance between sensor, lens, subject and background
I have the GFX 50 SII and a Nikon Z7. The 50 megapixels compares nicely with the Nikon’s 45 megapixels. The Fuji is more geared toward portraits and landscape while the Nikon is a more of general purpose sports and wildlife camera. The Fuji has for me has more natural color renderings than the Nikon and the depth in the Fuji is much greater than the Nikon
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Another interesting video Leigh, thanks for sharing. On the shot of the yellow flower with the brown centre, I wonder if you'd not only adjusted the focal length by the crop factor between cameras but the aperture as well, whether that might have yeilded much more similar results in terns of "blur" of the flower. i.e. F8 on MF vs F6.3 on FF ( MF x 0.8 )... . Any thoughts on this much appreciated. Keep up the good work.
Yes, I could have achieved a more shallow depth of field on full frame by using a different focal length, distance to the subject, and/or aperture. :)
Wow I love this video! Many thanks 😊
I believe you have Nikon cameras (Z7 & maybe Z8), was surprised you didn't use the Nikon in the test.
Hey Leigh, I totally agree with the naturalistic landscape look. You were the person who showed us how Leica has a smoother transition in tones compared to other brands. Have you tried making hdr photos in avif format? I find you need to do almost zero editing with Leica photos and you can uncover so much colour in the sky without having to use any curves or anything… this is not hdr style photography but actual hdr photos that you can only view on certain monitors (including oled screen iPhones).
Interesting - no, I haven’t tried that. I’ll have to look into it!
I'm not terbly concerned with ultimare resolution - but far more concerned with color quality and dynamic range. I think Medium format at base iso gives a better (more) dynamic range- esp with portrait subjects,.,,
I used two cameras and I shoot professionally with both. I have a Fujifilm XT5 which is a crop sensor camera and I've often shot many professional gigs with the portraits and other things and even landscapes I migrated over to GFX medium format because I did miss the low light performance and unfortunately Fuji don't make a full frame camera well not yet anyway allegedly they are working on that at the moment but I'm really not sure they're going to do that so I kind of ended up in medium format by accident more than anything. But I do not regret it as the overall performance for this camera is amazing. 100s II did I really need it? Does really anyone need anything probably not but do I love it absolutely do I make money from this camera. Absolutely I do. Do I enjoy using it. Yes I do it answers all the questions that should be asked when purchasing gear. But oddly enough did you actually a little bit not a grown gun and you have to work through the settings when setting up for a photo. It is very much a slow down camera and that is something that actually appealed to me as I'm now in my early 50s. You start to slow down which is good and I'm really now working on the quality of every image instead of just snapping away and getting lots of photos and then picking the best ones out of those. I now compose photos properly and I probably should've been doing this before but I wasn't and this is mainly for landscape photos. Obviously there are as Leigh mentioned advantages and disadvantages for every system. But now I have been working with the system for about a year. There is no way I could go back to full frame. It is just so good in the files. It is very likely if you own a medium format camera you're probably going to need to own another camera of some type for some situations and that's okay that's why I Own XT5 Fiji film which I love. Many medium format owners on a small second camera just to go out walking in and they leave their big rig for when they really need it. The land selection in GFX is pretty good if you think about focal length and you have to remember you don't need as many lenses in medium format because the resolution is so high you can simply crop in all the time. You can take 100 megapixel photo and get 5 x 20 megapixel images out of it...the 100-200 can be cropped to 400 mm and still retain a 50 mp file. Thanks for your very thorough video. I ended up doing what you said at the end of the video which was selling off a whole bunch of gear that I didn't use much and now I have two small systems. I have a GFX camera with four lenses and I have a XT5 with about four lenses and it's the perfect set up.
Fujifilm's GFX offers pixel shift multi shot images of 400 megapixels! Hard to imagine. I myself use Olympus/OM System micro four thirds cameras and can get 80 megapixel (50 megapixel hand held) images that are quite good.
I, have just come up with an interesting argument for myself in favor of Medium Format. One of my arguments in favor of Full Frame has been that you can utilize vintage lenses, plus there are a lot more Full Frame lenses out there as options than Medium Format. However having a great lens that you love not covering the entire sensor might not be a terrible thing, for a while I have been thinking that since a camera lens projects a circle, why aren't we taking circular pictures. We are not dealing with film that comes on a roll anymore. Capturing a circular image would allow you to crop vertical or horizontal. Since nobody is going to make circular image sensors any time soon, I am thinking maybe using a full frame lens on a medium format sensor might be the next best thing. Knowing that the dark corners and edges are getting cropped out anyway.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Raymond and I have often wondered why sensors aren’t different shapes, like a square!
I’m on APSC and pretty happy 😅
Good! If you’re happy with what you have, stick with it! :)
I love my Medium Format camera. My Full Frame sits on the shelf.
Thanks for sharing your experience! That’s interesting. What medium format camera do you use?
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I'm surprised you used the GFX8 m43 camera instead of your OM1 mii which has the best suite of nighttime photography features that I am aware of including Starry Sky Auto-focus that will focus on the stars perfectly in a matter of a couple seconds. Talk about ease of use :)
I used the Leica D-Lux 8 because I own it and I was curious. That OM-1 Mark II was borrowed so I didn’t have it during the making of this video. That being said, I have a couple OM cameras right now and I’m curious about that Starry Sky autofocus feature!
@@LeighAndRaymond You should definitely give it a try! I believe Stary Sky AF is featured on the EM-1 mii, OM-5 and OM-1 as well (it comes in two focusing modes, one for hand held focus acquisition and the other for tripod, which is a little more precise). Live composite is another feature that can be really useful for star trails as it only exposes additive light to the initial exposure and you get to see it build in real time on the LCD screen.
f/the f/4 is equiv to a 3.2 in ff terms, the f/2.8 is f/2.2 terms. I own most of the GFX gear, bodies/lenses/adapters and I also own and regularly shoot higher end Canon, Nikon and Sony. I also own some Leicas but not the SL line. Sadly I own way too much gear. If you have the time to properly compose, medium format will almost always beat ff. Been shooting 30 years, and medium format is def not a fast camera. I tend to try and pick the right body for the task and then my back up body and lens and so far, so good.
Not disagreeing with your findings somI’m not misunderstood. The dynamic range offered by my GFX 100ii is insane. I adapt various lenses to GFX as needed as well. Leica is going medium format for the new SL 3 bodies if we believe the rumours. Thanks for making this, it was a great video!
Thanks for sharing your experience! What is your favorite GFX body?
Great video, Leigh and Raymond!
I upgraded to 45mp, and my computer can't handle the larger files. Saving up for a high end computer.
Thank you, so good!
Why not make a Ao print size and place it side by side to look at it.Not monitor only.
Mostly because of time. This video was already quite long. That being said, maybe I’ll print a couple images and make a Short with the results! :)
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I doubt Fuji or Hasselblad produce mirrorless medium format cameras. I think it is kind of apsc of medium format. 😅
Yes, especially film medium format shooters dislike the term “medium format” for the current-day digital medium format cameras. Digital medium format is smaller than film medium format.
Anyone that really has to ask themselves that question would never EVER get the difference to begin with.
I asked the question and I saw the difference. 🤷🏽♀️
With the right subject medium format beats ff hands down
What subject do you think medium format makes the largest difference?
I think it may have been more relevant if you had printed those two night images of the city on a 36x48 inch format and then used a magnifying glass to pixel peep the two prints. I suspect that what you would have found is that both images produced the same level of detail on a print and perhaps even without using pixel shift to improve the resolution of the FF image. IMO the ease of pixel peeping has corrupted our ability to evaluate an image for how well it will display in the "real" world. As a result many people are avoiding very good lenses and discarding images because of what they saw in a 300 or 400% Pixel Peep.
I agree that pixel peeping isn’t necessarily the “real world.” It served a purpose in this video, but I almost never pixel peep my own images.
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This medium format is not really medium format.. too small.
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If that's all you noticed in medium format, you're better off sticking with full frame. Medium format is out of your league.
Same thing can be said about 1.4 crop compares to full frame.
What are the other differences I should have noticed?
Not valid comparison, pixel shift is very limited anything moves and photo useless
Factcheck: on Lumix S5 cameras, when using High Res mode, there are two Modes.
In Mode 2 (during the compilation) the Processor ‘looks for’ movement between the shots and -if it finds movement- then it will kind of cut that object out of one image and then paste it back in at the end producing acceptable images most of the time!
This is the comparison I did. If you have any comparison videos like this out there, I’d love to check them out!
Great video. Talk about large sensors....here is a guy who converted his van into a giant camera to take 36x24 metal photographs. Now I need to buy a van. LOL
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