The man who STOLE the F-22 and F-35 for China
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It’s not at all uncommon to hear people say that China’s most advanced stealth fighters, the in-service Chengdu J-20 and forthcoming Shenyang FC-31, both incorporate stolen design elements from existing American and Russian fighter programs. But while Russian claims are based on observation alone... America's claims are backed up by hard evidence and the admission of the man responsible for the effort.
Let's talk about Su Bin - the man who stole America's stealth fighters for China.
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When this guy says only Russia does propaganda!! I stopped watch the video....
BS. So easy to steal ???
Everyone should know that Chinese can't be trusted they are thieves
It is really stupid to believe this video blogger's nonsense.
I don't think he stole it it was sold to him America has become one of the most corrupt countries when politicians can be bought what do you expect.
to all war thunder larpers, THIS is what a real classified leak looks like.
War Thunder guys really like looking at controlled UNCLASSIFIED markings and yelling classified leaks.
WRONG... there was exactly ZERO Classified data stolen. Classified data can NOT be hacked because classified data is NOT connected to the internet. If you had ever work with such data you would know that it is kept in a "Secure Compartmental Information Facility" (SCIF) that has ZERO access from the outside of a locked vault where people work on it. Now, it is true they stole design files on air-frame shaping and other non-classified files, but nothing even at the "confidential" level (lowest level of classification) was stolen. This of course begs the question of why the F'k this stuff was not classified, as it should he been, but clearly was not classified at the time.
You just wait. Once we get into the most modern aircraft we’ll get some proper classified leaks.
Somehow the warthunder leakers got way worse sentences than this guy.. I wonder if he had friends in the doj?
Lol dude don’t give them ideas 😂
This is treason regardless if it's classified. Life in prison at a minimum.
execution no longer an option?
The legal definition of treason does not apply to any non- citizen!
The US have been doing this to other counties for years. Karma my friend 😂
@@Nobody6521Every countries is doing it😊
@@ReynaldoFaigane I don't agree with that. What I do agree with is people hate it when what they have done to others happen to them. 😭😭😭😭
That boy su bin look shady as hell 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
I mean how come that we give a Chinese communist dictatorship national access to our technology, and even hire him/his company in order to work on military aviation technology/programs?! We know that every Chinese person is required by LAW to spy for their dictator state, even those who are born outside of China, as long as their parents are Chinese. Why the hell would we give them access knowing all that?!?! We know that every Chinese person is a security risk. We shouldn't allow any Chinese to work on anything sensitive even in the private sector. Or at least not without stringent security background check and constant observation/checks on whether they flipped and are now actively working for their evil dictatorship regime!?!?!?! It's mindboggling how sloppy our industries/agencies/military is operating when it comes to Chinese espionage!?!?!?!
that's why they use him
Can you see it in his eyes? XD
Su bin is spying for Mattel.
and if he was a white dude you'd say "see it in his skin? XD" @@Legitpenguins99
Who trusted that guy
People that are probably glad the US no longer executes spies.
China has a lot of influence in Canada due to election interference, so I'm not that surprised.
He looks trustworthy to me and uncle Joe.
Men with poor hygiene lacking interest to look sharp have closet vices 😮
My first thought too.
ALL defense related data should REQUIRE security clearance to access. Letting Chinese nationals like Su to access stealth aircraft data is disgustingly negligence.
Its boeing what do you expect. They are a company dedicated to mediocrity
*negligent
How is security clearance going to stop this where the data was gained through hacking and corruption? He didn't have access personally but gained it through other people that did.
they why you Americans complain about that? back then US try to steal Soviet Technologies, don't be a Hypocrite
It's not clearance requirement, its training for those that have the clearance on how social engineering works. They got hoodwinked. This is how phishing and spear phishing works so it's a common human condition but it must be trained out of them.
Whoever made the decision to trust that guy needs to be in prison right next to him.
You'll have to pull him out of his Florida penthouse first.
with those squinty eyes you could tell he was up to no good.
Right. Just by looking at him, and this is not racism..I would never have trusted that guy. I think the trick of every successful spy is patience and time. It'll always bring results at the end. There are thousands of Chinese students on scholarship. How many of them are working with the PLA. I still believe Russians are more effective in spying and they use very hot women to get into you.
It wasn't one guy or even 10. He made a concerted effort to buddy up to as many people as possible, build up his familiarity and comfort level with as many people as possible and build a web of trust around him that caused other people to let their guard down around him. This was lots and lots of small leaks over a long period of time and pieced together. They didn't break in like a bank heist one night and run off with the plans. They managed to get access to a landing gear door plans one time, and then another time, get access to canopy hinge plans, etc. You do that enough, and you can start to slowly fill in more and more blanks.
@@os10v311 Racist comment 😢
Dude WHY are they still letting Mainland Chinese into classified contracts?
Because they are superior to their lazy American counterparts
Ask Tru-dope.
Remembered Trump accused China stolen 5g technology when U.S. didn’t have it
Because trump trusts them too much
Muricans greatest weaknesses is being called racists.
I had a secret clearance while in the military. If had done anything like he did, both the person who gave me this type of information and myself would both have hefty fines and several yrs in prison. 😤
and better stay away from windows, planes, buildings, and open spaces
@@namenotfound614we don't do that in the us
@@rtreyk that means they're so good at hiding it that we don't realize it
I am working on several defense program at large defense compies. We are advised to follow "need to know" and I have security clearance. I just do my job to get paid and do not care what that stuff has any purpose, period
@@rtreyk yeah sure, just like ruby ridge
Hiring Chinese or having partners with Chinese contractors etc.. are highly risky.
Slava TSMC 🇹🇼
Canada will always be a weak link in US national security. The immigration policies here are way too lax. This is not a racist comment. There are plenty of great Chinese nationals here that hate the CCP but we need to be better to filter out the bad apples.
@@Booz2020 bet TSM hits like $150 in the next month
Who is telling to have a Chinese partner ,you must be stupid .
So even eat General TSo Chicken is risky to you.
You gotta be f$%&ing kidding me. 46 month sentence for jeopardizing so many of our soldier's lives. WTF is wrong with our justice department ?😢
What soldiers lives 😂
I can’t figure out if it’s the overiding ideological strain that doesn’t want to punish people of color, or just flat out influence of the Chinese government in our government.
There's a reason for it I'm sure. He traded something.
you only get the full sentence if your wyte
Blame the Democrats
"I was the director of the CIA. We lie, we cheat, we steal, and we have another course to teach these. This is the glory of America's continuous exploration and progress.”😂
was it not “the american experiment”?
- Mike Pompeo former CIA Director.
How the USA got on top and stays on top. You think they wouldn't do the same in their position? This has been going on for centuries, probably millennia. Other tribe has shiny black sharp stones for their arrows?!?!. WE MUST HAVE THAT TECHNOLOGY
Progress at the cost of who and what
Stop F#@$ing lying 🤥
I’m a retired aerospace engineer and I worked on a couple of these programs and I know exactly how this stuff happens yet every year you hear of more spies stealing critical defense information. Alex I’m glad you’re bringing this in the spotlight because this is a serious problem and I thought sometime in my retirement I would see this change but it looks like it’s never gonna change. For one we need to stop using the Internet to share files between subcontractors and prime contractors. That’s a problem right there and we need to develop aircraft and weapon systems the “skunk works” way -in extreme secrecy, using isolated computer networks and without hiring people from other countries on work visas!!
I hope Mr. Shoe bin or whatever’s name is buys a lot of soap on a rope! For his short stay in prison.
Not just defense secrets. This is all businesses. They are incredibly careless.
Most of these companies don't care about national security unless it hurts their bottom ($$$) line, usually this stuff can be twisted to the companies advantage (oops, now we need to develop new things to counter the leak, more $$$ please!)
Which kind of employee/voter do you see treating our country like this?@@user-ow1jb7wg8u
Sounds like treason to me. He needs to be introduced to his God.
@@TheBoobanpoor security
It should be considered treason to sell our best designs to even allies.
Spies in other countries: Life time sentences when caught or killed for espionage
Spies in the U.S.: 30 years
You should be glad that we often have had that restraint (except when we haven't) because it is done so that our own spies might recieve lighter punishment overseas.
The 2 Michael
Not if there mentally ill 🤓
@@Hakankirbas Or gender confused.
All defense data should not be on any network it should be on an isolated in-house system
Air gap computer
Someone dropped the ball in allowing that Chinese to work in a position we’re he was able to steal those aircraft secrets.
Probably a Natural born American bribed by his natural ethnicity.
China is a very dishonest society.
Slava TSMC 🇹🇼
Did you not even watch the video? He didn't have access personally, he bribed other people that did and also hacked some systems.
Accept it or not, Chinese brains worked on American aviation sector, nuclear programs, space, rocket, missiles…. Critical break through are done mostly by Chinese….
Where can I find these documents? I want to build my own F-22 for research.
WarThunder
just ask this fat guy.
@@kineticstar ☠️
Got 10g?
google it...
If we can't secure our secrets, then we have a massive problem
Do you believe these lies, J20 is a structural stealth, not a shadow body, there was no one in the United States at that time, but it was your f35 that stole the data of j20
I tell you, life ain't easy for a boy named Sue
i mean how dumb is your security to have a guy named 'Su-bin' steal your secrets lol
Brah 🤦🏿♂️🥴
He had an american alias if i recall correctly.
But not an American face.@@dawg9
@@danstotland6386that mindset of yours is how we got Hanssen
@@danstotland6386 You'd be shocked at the number of Asian born employees at LM and other defense contractors. I don't know you so I won't say you're an R word but that comment is suspect to say the least.
So, why was the spy not sentenced to capital punishment for espionage? At the very least, he should have been given a LIFE sentence - in solitary confinement?!
Who was president (2008 - 2016) when Bin was doing this (2008 - 2014)?
l was wondering the same thing and i agree with your comment....Thanks
Old F-4 2 Shoe🇺🇸
@@lordphullautosear
Exactly! The Bisexual Muslim Obadman! 🤣🤣🤣
Because Biden got his 10%.
It’s the “gentleman’s agreement” of espionage. Everyone is playing the game, but spies are expensive and scarce, so killing theirs and losing ours becomes a problem for all parties.
Vow, how smart was the guy; just couldn't believe he was far smarter than the FBI's and the CIA's. Should be very proud of the guy.
Very good content right here. Thank you
If you do cutting edge research, don't use a computer connected to the Internet!
There's no such thing as safe internet any more!
agree go back to using serial ports and daisy chain networks to share files WITHOUT internet accress ... hackers can break into any bank in the world they can sure do it to any defence contractor easily too
Wasn’t he from China? If so, what’d you expect??
Bc all Chinese are spy’s?
Go look at a university campus or scientific journal. Chinese immigrants make up the pluarlity of scientists and engineers doing serious STEM work in the US.
All other groups lag behind. Get rid of them, and the US loses its edge near immediately.
less than 4 years in prison? Our judicial system has collectively lost all sense of justice.
Man I swear these fighter jet designs are pretty awesome looking. Clean.
KAAN better than F35
We Americans should always be concerned and suspicious of guys with ''Bin" in their name. Especially dealing with planes! 😂
I laughed, This is to good.
It's literally an imperative. SPQR, errm, I mean SCNR :D
Having Bin in your name is a red flag
Oooh well played 😂😂😂 gotta love the genius comment
"BIN" is short-handed version of "BIdeN"
This is a literal hangable offense. 48 months is depressing 🤦♂️
If it were trump tho.......
@@brandondoty8211presidents don’t hand out sentences. Stop that.
Tredue needs Prison. This always happens in Canada
whats the punishment for stealing the African continent's resouorces? Nothing... so shut up about this too.
I don't know how these things work, but i suspect that this kind of leniency is due to considerations about how our spies would be treated on the other side.
And how would the founders handled this??? The only 1 way to stop this crap....
Now, there's thousands of Su Bins cousins crossing the border illegally from Mexico 😊
But america always kills innocents , they killl indians not chinese.
People who think that every stealth fighter has to look like the F-22 because "the general design is the optimal solution to the stealth fighter problem" have clearly never done any engineering or design work.
There is no such thing as a single solution to a problem. The reason so many new planes look like the F-22 is because it's easier and cheaper to copy and modify a proven design than it is to develop something new from the ground up.
The laws of aerodynamics would like a word.
@@TheJttv if only it was so simple. There are many different ways to make air do what you want it to do. An obvious example would be the choice between horizontal stabilisers in the back or canards in the front. Neither concept is inherently "better" than the other. Both have their own characteristic advantages and disadvantages, but even those depend more on the implementation of the design than which design you chose.
@@joostvisser8537 yes but if you follow the same logic, good engineering principles and abide by the laws of nature you often arrive at the same or similar solutions even from a clean slate.
Stealth drives you to a handful of designs. Look at all of our LO drones.
@@TheJttvsimilar, not the same. Again the YF-23 is a good example. It looks nothing like the F-22, even if it has some similarities.
Why are any of these files accessible on a computer network.
Because American network security is horrible. They get hacked all the time. Ransomware, credit card credentials, medical records, etc. all hacked because there are back doors the American government puts into American software and hardware to spy on you.
because that's how things have been done since computers became so small and easy and the internet much faster then snail mail.
I thought the punishment for government espionage on behalf of foreign powers LITERALLY carries the death penalty.
The American F35 is a copy of the soviet yak 141.
That's funny 😄
Other than for the greed of the already very wealthy I'm not sure why anyone thought it was ever a good idea to allow investment in or from either China or Russia.
Why didn’t he just disagree with someone on the War Thunder forums?
💀
This should bring into question all who was in possession of classified documents years ago.
I knew you had to have an advertisement for a VPN in this.
Wtf?! Geez.... And he was not even an American. Why did he had access to these files..
Obviously someone who's literally inside sold it to him..he's just a pawn.
Is the VPN deal available in the UK ime bit of a newbie 👍
i hate that computers (and theft) are making basically all planes look more and more alike.
As a proud American that loves America and who's brother and cousins have served in our military. It angers me to know that our military industrial complex companies hire these foreign companies outside of our country. They need to just use companies from our own country and if we don't have the companies then they should build it with their own money. They need to do they're due diligence and triple check the companies and their work force to make sure that they are American born.
Just one thing to say : the aircraft exterior appearance is just the surface of the iceberg : given pictures, videos, basic specifications, it wouldn't be that hard for chinese engineers to make 3D designs of the aircraft's aerodynamics and asses it's overall performance, the issue is way deeper about the material used' their composition, and much more about the systems of equipment going into the airframe. The Soviets struggled for a while during the beginning of the jet age as they coppied RollsRoyce engines, but didn't know the characteristics of the steel alloys used. Outward apperance can be coppied, for the airframe as for components, the issue is about the functionnality, which can be way harder to reverse-engineer
Anything can be reverse engineered. Period.
12:25 lmaooo!!! great video btw
It's either stop hiring Chinese descent or vetted with a thorough background investigation!!
I think the main purpose was not to copy but to find its weak points for counter attack measures.
They always do that we had three van loads of Chinese over in Canada years back , they all had cameras ,the opened everything they could and took multiple photos of everything ,this was on earth moving equipment lube truck , fuel truck, rock trucks , loaders , excavators,rock drills then they go back and try and build there own
There's no support to AMCA from Lockheed Martin. Only GE has signed a deal for making engines in India.
Ok, so imagine having all the equipment to make something like an ikea bed, you STOLE the technical package for it with all the info you could ever require to make it, and you end up making a pull out sofa. They didnt make a stealth fighter, they made a low obserable fighter with bad engines from russia.
Even after this they are still going to hire "diverse" workforce instead of us
The key takeaway in this is - at the 14:25 mark, 'many of the documents that he and his hackers stole were actually not strictly classified or even export controlled'. Perhaps that was really the case, as reflected in the light sentence. Personally I think the jail time of 48 months and fine of USD10k were too harsh for taking copies of publicly available documents and photos.
As a Canadian trying to work in aerospace, guys like this ruin everything for the rest of us.
America continues to embarrass itself
What is the point developing advance defense system if you will share it with your adversaries
As a former Intel guy who was reading about stuff China was doing as far back as 2009, this infuriates me. China uses our openness against us. I'm not saying close boarders or anything, but it's not racist to vet people, especially if they are connected to countries that are known to commonly use their citizens as spies. Like what the actual fuck are we doing? In order for me to have access to these kinds of systems I had to wait almost a year and someone went and interviewed family, friends, enemies, everyone. But this guy could just basically walk in? Wtf.
Have you seen the US version of Su Bin? Yes, they exist. 007 and Mission Impossible? Tho' movies, it reflects existence of american espionage. And the US has many such Su Bin.
China is very smart. They understand the basic fact of life that it's ok to be racist.
AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO 3 TIMES , ... JUST NOT POSSIBLE .. ENGINEERING AND TECHNOLOGIES IS NOT ONLY ASSESS TO ONE PERSON !!!!
*What about every other classified program, how many of these have been compromised as well, and is security any better for those, DOUBTFUL*
He clearly looks trustworthy look at that winning smile.
But a so called black man can get over 5 years for a bag of weed smfh
All commercial planes share the same aerodynamics, same for fighter jets and same for drones and UFOs. Only difference is the model, engine, speed and parts.
46 months! That’s is?? That seems crazy lenient.
You've seen The Three Stooges right when they're on that missile
Unfortunately he sets a bad image for all Chinese
As always, this is a very well written AirPower episode.
Have you seen the US version of Su Bin? Yes, they exist. 007 and Mission Impossible? Tho' movies, it reflects existence of western espionage. And the US has many such Su Bin.
It is prudent to know your enemy. Any responsible government should know what the other side have and design one to out perform them.
Archie Bunker would have said it best. 😂😂😂
This guy literally did a GTA 5 heist
Why should such defence computers should even have access to internet
Look at the production cars. theyre all of same shape & design.
For the same reasons. aerodynamics, purpose, feasibility, price
You have evidence? Or just a low quality report that J20and J35 is same as F22 and F35?
chinese comment bot
Why is Shawshank not on US netflix?
gotta give credit where credit is due. this guy is a legend. Then again its not like he had to work hard.
46 months is insane.
They shouldn't hire these Chinese to do those secret projects .
And some J6 people sentenced to MORE THAN 46 months on dubious charges of insurrection!
Clearly these companies need to up there security procedures
I want to know about the people who were in charge of keeping it a secret.
The military industrial complex wants them to keep up.
How did he gets into the army computers file 🙄❓
I'm amazed at how Su Bin JUST walked out free
The sentence is so lenient. How could that be. If an American is caught with that crime in China, it would life sentence in prison at the least.
Does anybody know any launch codes
There was an engineer at ITT back in the mid 2000s that gave china the blueprints for the then new NVG. He decided to use a company that was based out of Singapore to print the blueprints for nato members to be able to repair them, only problem was the Singapore conpany was a CCP front to steal military tech..
We have our priorities and apparently safeduards to prevent something like this is just not a high priority.😮
Life in prison ... And waterboarding. No quarter.
These personality types are the most vile. “White collar” crime that actually costs more lives than any other.
Academy Award he should get.
They are like little kids stealing candy
“ This ship is leaking like an unstanched wench” - William Shakespeare in Tempest
This reminds me of that episode of American dad, where Chinese spy kept asking everyone in the CIA about the nuclear launch codes. The Dutch we're cool people though.
This equates to one thing , somebody got paid
I appreciate the use of "work smarter, not harder" from China. They suck, but I get it. We will one day see if they have understanding of how to use these stolen platforms and strategies effectively or not.
Meaning U.S security is very low. While someone doing that. Like wow.
China so good they copied the tic-tac. China No. 1
Hackers? Are you kidding me? What the fries were top secret designs doing on computers tied to the Internet?
How do we let this happen
Greed and money 🤑💰
brave man, respect