Acoustic Guitar Pickup & Mic Comparison - K&K, L.R. Baggs, iSolo, Fishman Piezo
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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iSolo: us.cloudvocal....
K&K Pure: amzn.to/2AHjgsC
L.R. Baggs Lyric: amzn.to/2qHvUId
Fishman Matrix: amzn.to/2CWnuCC
iSolo (amazon link): amzn.to/2CX99WA
This was such a good no-shit review. Awesome job !
Great demo, easy to skip through and hear what I wanted. Had never heard of the isolo before but seriously considering it now.
I was pleasantly surprised by it. It has a very full sound compared to other gooseneck microphones I've used.
..... THEN I saw the price tag!
🤣🤣🤣
I felt the iSolo added too many overtones. It was almost like having a resonator cone added to the guitar. I like the K&K with the Lyric best, with the Fishman & Lyric second.
Very transparent comparison between pickups. Easily the best multi-pickup comparison I've seen in years. Excellent work.
I came here to learn about piezo pickups. I could listen to you just jam for days man. Beautiful.
i liked the isolo a lot.
I hope you won't take this personally... but... without question this is one of the most brilliant clips ever! "Well done young man"... absolutely brilliant!!!
thanks man! I appreciate it
This is the Mother of all acoustic guitar pickup demos! Lovely playing, great recording, smart selection of combinations. Thank you!
The best sounding are the iSolo first and the Fishman second. But due to the usual feedback problems on stage I guess the Fishman would be the most usable by far.
Really excellent review. I use LR Baggs Anthem in my guitar. It's a flexible system. I can blend the mic and piezo to suit the circumstance.
Nice comparison, LR baggs sounds better for me & your guitar look awesome! Wish I had one 🎸... love ❤️❤️
Thanks for posting this Jason. I very much appreciate how you got down to business on the comparisons without a lot of preamble. You have solid communication skills, not to mention you have a great touch with the guitar. I'm looking forward to seeing more of you videos.
I wasn't initially thrilled with the appearance of the Isolo outside the sound hole, but to my ear, it was the standout performer sound wise.
Excelent demo. K&K sounds great. And in combination with the isolo its fantastic
Thank you, I wish it came across better in the video. Live I love it. Lots of good sounding options now days.
That was definitely one of the better demonstrations I've heard using those particular pickups. Thank you very much very well done keep up the good work!
Great, thorough work :)
I REALLY appreciate this video! It demonstrates the sound instead of just talking about it (like some other videos). Thank you!
Is there a video like this for the more low-end pickups? I hope.
I have the K&K pure mini + Pure XLR Preamp. I would NEVER run it without the preamp, it makes it sound so much better.
Outstanding comparison! Thank you!
You need to use a preamp with the K&K as it’s a passive pickup. The best sounding as played was the Lyric followed by the iSolo.
Hello Jason ! You did a great job in showing the differences. One thing you could do that would be helpful in some near future is to record mic on one channel ( say..on the left channel) and a piezo on the right. By recording simultaneously the different sounds on right and left, then someone can train a deep learning neural network to "convert" the "ugly" piezo sound into the more beautiful mic-sound.
That’s a really interesting idea. I definitely can record the pickups at the same time
yes the Lyric and the isolo sound amazing
Fishman really stands out for clarity and sound. The Isolo I like because it picked up the base sound and percussions really well while the higher notes were crisp clear too. I suppose you also have the opportunity to move the mice for different songs too.. nic.
They definitely all have their pros and cons!
excellent and lengthy demo. Lots of work went into it. Much thanks!
Actually, I thought the little iSolo mic did the best at capturing the actual sound of an acoustic guitar. I could see why one might want that piezo sound though. It sounds nice and bright. Could be good for tapping and stuff like that.
I have watched this video several times for the last couple of years, and now I decided to make a comment. LR Baggs alone is definetely the winner for me. Sounds just like an acoustic being heard in a room. Excellent video! Congrats!!
I just saw that LR baggs is releasing a system that uses a sound mboard transducer with a mic. I’ve been saying for a long time that they should try that (although K&K has done it for so long already)
This explains a lot. I had K&K fitted to my 12 string and the output was very low. May have solved that problem with a Fishman Platinum Stage preamp.
Did the preamp solve that?
@@nickychops6729 Yes thanks...I was using it today.
@@kingrobert1st I have the Fishin platinum EQ Brianne do you think that would do the trick with the Kane K mini install
@@nickychops6729 Dunno...not really a specialist on these things. Did you watch my channel? ZEN and the ART of 12 String Maintenance?
Good demo and really nice playing, Jason!
Thank you Jason! Very good video depicting these different pickups in a useful manner.
Great Demo Video, I have the Lyric, but it's really "woofie" on stage and problematic, I was wondering how easy it would be to add the K&K to my set up but still keep my Lyric to mix with... in other words ... how did you accomplish keeping these pickup configurations and utilize them together seamlessly...
Wow ... the Isolo sounds great to my ear.
K & K Trinity...or, the K & K plus the mic and the LR Baggs. Piezos are roadkill.
Best demo on pickup review on the tube, awesome playing as well
What Charles said "Well done young man". Also some very nice playing. I like the 50/50 mix of lyric and K&K the best. The Lyric panned R, isolo panned left with K&K center sounds like it's been produced through a recording studio. Sounds good but not live. Thanks for doing the comparison for us.
best pick up demo I have ever heard and seen!
The iSolo kills it all...
What a great video. I only wish you revealed the jack sockets at the rear.
Great review. I prefer recorded via amp though. Some pickups sound dry and dead directly but come to life through an amp.
Great, fair and accurate comparison. I do like the k&k sound for it's warm tone.
What is your string action on 12th fret by the way? I might try the same set up on your guitar and put k&k on mine. Seems like i like the sound of your guitar set up as well.
Good video. However, it seems to do a little bit of a disservice to the K&K. The L.R Baggs Lyric is a microphone and should have fairly low impedance. The iSolo is also a microphone, but it has its own preamp and circuitry. The Fishman is a piezo pickup; however, it is active and equipped with a preamp. All of these present a fairly low impedance to the audio input that you are using - whether it be an amp, or an audio mixer, or audio recording interface. And then there is the K&K. The piezo transducers by themselves have a relatively large impedance - upwards of 200K ohms - and it doesn't come with a standard preamp. If you aren't using a Hi-Z audio input, an input with 1M ohm or more of impedance you are going to get exactly what you got. Booming lows and almost no highs. I'm sure that the K&K is a fine pickup system, but unless you properly match the impedance between the pickups and the audio input it won't be able to achieve its full potential.
Ivon Cullumber honestly, I agree with you 100%. I do believe my interface was a hi-z one, which lead me to think it could do the K&K justice. My other guitar has a built in pure preamp, and the difference is obvious. I just ordered an outboard K&K preamp and may do a video demonstrating the difference between it and going without it. I really think all of these pickups are great, with their own pros and cons. That being said, in my other guitar I use the K&K, because I really do think it gives the best result.
Actually, the K&K sounds 100 times better in real life than on this video. And yes, it needs some EQ tweaking; but the results are amazing.
Great video! The first I've found that encompasses a number of different playing styles as well as different settings. I wish I could find something of similar quality, but on a Martin, because they sound so different than a Taylor.
Man that isolo sounds AWESOME
such a good comparison . i think lyric is the best . knk mini is low db sound and little response, isolo is great tone but have lots of noise and overheadroom. fishman ust is piezo thing but most front and directical sound . it is inportant when you live , lyric have nice tone and clean , but little bit background sound room . not front . i think this is why lrbaggs anthem is the best pickup .
Excellent comparison. But note that the Baggs Lyric has a presence control. They stress the importance of adjusting it for the most natural tone.
Thanks for that. It’s actually been a while since I’ve used it so I couldn’t remember. The lyric and anthem are so good!
Ah this is really interesting! I've always preferred the K&K pickup in a live situation, and the LR Baggs mic in a live situation, but I was under the impression a pure mini & lyric couldn't both be fitted as they are both on the bridgeplate! I might go with that setup up my next guitar, although the one thing I wonder about is phase? Do you invert either of the signals when using them together? My thinking is that, for example, when the soundboard is moving inward, that's a negative displacement of the Pure Mini and positive displacement of the Lyric, unless LR Baggs already invert it as it would normally be used with a piezo anyway, but maybe that's just thinking too much about it...
They're both great products. I recall finding phase issues a few years ago when I first installed them, but recently i've been combining the K&K and the Lyric for live use and the result has been amazing. It may need a phase flip, but the when using a boss line selector to mix the sounds at about 80% K&K & 20% lyric, it sounds great.
My placement of the lyric is actually different than what LR Baggs recomends, but it still sounds great.
In the past I''ve had a hard time getting a great sound without a lot of gear using these 2 pickups together, but now i'm using a boss line selector as a mini-mixer and a zoom G3, which has parametric & graphic EQ's.
Man! Great video! How do you connect both pickups to the Boss LIne Selector if it has only one input? Thanks for the answer!
You've got to plug up the input with a dead cable, and use the returns of the a & b loops as inputs 1 and 2. Does that make sense?
Care to explain this in a more detailed way, Jason ? Then you output what, the single output or the two sends ? Is it blended at the single output ?
PS : I have the Lyric in a Larrivée and like the idea of combining that with a pure mini K&K. I just have to get used to the idea of having a second jack drilled into it.
PPS : Great video and playing. Thanks a bunch.
an upgraded video with exact locations of the pick-ups, the cables, and how they connect to the Boss LS is what many wait for imho ;) thanks for the great "foreplay" lml
how did you install all of them ???? can you make video of installation
Seamus O'Dork You didn’t get your cookies today? Need a nap? Aww, it’s gonna be alright big fella.
Great demo, guitar and playing! Thanks for sharing!
the k&k is best used run into a preamp since it needs to see a 1M input impedance. It sounds a lot brighter that say and a HPF is useful for most strumming with a band sounds.
Merry Christmas Jason Swanson. Great demo! If I may i ask, how are the installations of you pickup? Were the plugs installed differently?
great comparison. but the one combination that ´d interest me the most is missing: fishman ust plus k & k pure mini. thought of adding a k & k to my fishman equipped taylor 614ce. but i might go for the isolo now.....thanks
To me, an acoustic pickup is all about emphasis. Does it emphasize the transient/picking (like the undersaddle), the strings’ presence like the lyric, etc. Any decent pickup can be eq’d to your tastes but if you don’t like what the pickup emphasizes, you’ll never get the sound you’re after. I’ve had great success with fishman’s systems and I’ve played the k&k many times on my buddy’s D-15 and they sound fantastic...almost the best that I’ve heard. None is “better”...it’s all about what you’re after.
Came for the pickup review, stayed for the playing.
and these are why I use a fishman rare earth blend.
Love your Joyful, Joyful rendition!
Great video / a well balanced demo of all the pick ups 🤘🤘🤘 thank you
Wow, what an intelligent analysis and examples and explanation. Many thanks
I really liked the iSolo, but it’s clear why people like a blend of different pickup sources. The best sound, IMHO, was the mix of three.
I love fishman undersaddle
Hi Jason. Great video, thanks for posting it. I'm thinking about venturing into the K&K world and was caught by your comment about eq and knowing how to use it. It would be very nice to have your take on how to use an eq. Cheers from Finland!
Thanks for the suggestion. Also I would recommend that you use the K&K with their specific preamp, although it isn't mandatory.
Yes, that is my intention. I’m also thinking of
those parametric eqs. Lots available and all
of them pretty good. MXR / Dunlop example.
Super helpful video - but also, killer chops dude!
2:30 seconds is that the tune from sister act? Glory Glory ? Sounds great man. The I solo sounds the best in my opinion thank you for the shoot out. I wonder how the i solo loops or runs thru fx tho
It's a section from Beethoven's 9th Symphony, aka "Ode To Joy". . . . And YES it's also kind of similar to the sister act version:)
You did it right! different pickups, same guitar, same licks, and various combinations. How did you get the stereo hard pan left, right and center? I see no cords or mixer.
Thanks! It's not a perfect review but still helpful I hope. They're all plugged into my interface & it's all the same take.
Hey Jason, I saw on a comment further down that you run your K & K and UST together. Can you explain a little further how the trs & splitter works? I'm interested in this dual pickup idea but don't want to drill a second endpin jack hole. Is the splitter inside the guitar with both pickups running into that?
If you have not yet solved the problem to your satisfaction, try a Google for the Rane AP13 guitar preamp Data Download. It uses TRS input. As I write, there is one up on E-Bay, UK.
[Tyneside, England.]
Great video! Any Ideas how to install three pickups?
L.R Baggs & iSolo produce organic sound and feels very natural
great demonstration,,,,to use 2 diff. pickups hard le. and ri. is absolutely wonderfull,
thanks 4 t. hint
Andy
Thank you for a wonderful demonstration.
I have two Taylor guitars, 914ce and 814ce. Both are fitted with ES2. However, I really love the sounds made by the pick-ups of K&K Pure Mini and Fishman Undersaddle Piezo. Can my guitars be fitted with these two pick-ups without uninstalling the existing ES2?
Great demo! Btw, what's the song you are playing starting 1:50? It sounds really nice.
This was super helpful! Thanks for posting. Where are you based out of?
Thanks:) I'm in Tulsa, Ok most days.
Great demo Jason, kudos! Wondering if you've ever mixed the K&K Pure Mini with the Fishman Rare Earth Blend. A configuration I'm entertaining. Cheers.
Joey Gaitanis I know I could google this, but which one is the rare earth blend? Is it a mic/mag?
Yes it is..
I have a K&K w/soundwheel and run it through a Zoom A3. It sounds terrific.
If you ever make an upgrade to this video, could you include the sound of the guitar mic'ed so we can better discern the coloration of the pickups?
for sure. In the mean time, I have 2 other videos with the guitar mic'ed.
ruclips.net/video/smWDdTCKDGg/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/q7pxc-Yf2eQ/видео.html
fantastic comparison. giving us the finger picked and more aggressive strums really gives us a fair comparison. How do you run your rig when using multiple pickups? thanks. J
in the past I've either used a small mixer or a boss line selector pedal. Now I'm using a line 6 helix and getting some great results.
amazing video!! sooo what do yo recomend to buy the anthem o the k&k mix whit the isolo?
thanks!!
i will like to used for live performances and have the option to record too
In my sound preference, LR Baggs Lyric together with fishman is way more better. It really brings the sound of the guitar and way more colorful.
Awesome on Joyful Joyful ! Which would be the best transducer for classical guitar in your opinion?
Great video here. Very informative. Jason I was curious as to your take on using cross brands together. For example, I have a k&k pure mini in my Martin OM28. I use the Fishman Aura pre-amp. Would I get more favorable results by using K&K products together? Just curious.
Great Job!!
Thank you, i love talking about this stuff, and I'm still learning about all of this myself!
As for using non-proprietary preamps : it depends
For the K&K, matching the impedance is an important issue. I just recently purchased an outboard K&K preamp for this guitar, because I thought it might sound better because it was designed for the K&K.
The fishman aura is most likely not a good fit, but I could be wrong. I know that using the aura mic modeling is something they only recommend for undersaddle pickups.
Another preamp for the K&K that people love is the Red Eye. It seems like a perfect fit for a K&K.
Jason Swanson Ok thank you for that input. I didn't take into consideration matching the impedance. I'm going to try the k&k mini pre amp as well as the LR Baggs Para DI. I'll let you know how they work out.
Thanks again!
Micah Wilkerson please do, comparing with the same guitar is a great idea.
I've had times where the preamp was supposed to match the impedance of the pickup & it didn't sound very good in the end.
you should try the journeytech EP001K, I tried all these expensive pickups and none of them gave me the sound I was looking for, when I decided to give a try to the journeytech I was shocked by the roundness of the sound and the dynamics of the touch of the strings; and it's just 35 euros, And i can't even imagine the sound I cuold achieve if only I had an acoustic preamp to pair with it
This is a great video! Genius to have them all in the same guitar, and thank you for the combinations portion, that was very cool. any opinion on how they each do at higher stage volumes? I have heard the k&k & lyric can get testy when very loud?
L.R. Baggs, and iSolo, all pick up good sounds!! iSolo feels like a little bit better than L.R Baggs..
Great video!! - Could you tell me what equalizer pedal you used? Or the parametric pedal.
Also, I see diferente prices on Isolo, could send the link of the one you have where I can buy not so expensive? - I ve seen $412 an $250 but I don’t know if it’s the same cause the giant gap price.
Since the Fishman came installed in the guitar, I bet there was an EQ on board the guitar. (Hi, lo, and Mids). Am I right or wrong on that assessment? That seemingly would explain the rich textures I hear in my headphones as I listen to the Fishman as compared to the other pickups which don’t have the onboard EQ. The other pickups would get their rich tones from outboard preamps and EQs etc.
Hi Jason great demo! Do you have to use an outboard pre-amp for the iSolo?
Well, you sure got a whole bunch of
comments from the guitar community. Just Bagg it, and done!
Great demo. Always thought that the Lyric was overrated. Still think so :-)
I have no idea how to combine those preamp system together. External Microphone is the best to describe the sound of the guitar. Preamp are design for on stage performance. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Hi Jason, I guess Cloud Vocal bought isolo. I dont think they've always owned it.Anyway, I notice the price is higher now. Do know of any improvements they have made? Do you know how long the battery lasts before recharging. Also have you found any problems with feedback -different stage set ups?
Aloha Jason Great video Thanks! Just wondering you can install these and then do single output and also blend them. Also use a stereo guitar cable etc. Lastly what is you favorite pickup for the most natural sound? (K&K?) Thanks for your response!
EL Holt I have the K&K connected to the "ring" portion of the fishman output jack, and the Lyric has its own output jack.
I've mixed these together using many different things. The cheapes being a boss line selector (only mixes 2 signals) and the most being my Line 6 Helix, which basically works as a mixer.
In my main guitar I use the K&K pure. The most natural is the iSolo and then the Lyric.
K&K is has some of the "punch" of an UST, and also some of the natural sound somewhat like a microphone.
Ola Jason! Thanks for quick response. I am looking at the IRig Acoustic Stage (I have UST in some of my guitars already) and probably the LR Baggs Anthem SL for my Martin J40. Cheers!
Thanks you, this is the best comparation... ever
Unrelated but you have the tabs for what you were playing? Loved it
Thank you for this! I have a Lyric installed in a Guild D55, and I thought the nasal quality was because of the guitar somehow, or perhaps my installation. I hear exactly the same mid-heavy tone in your demo. I'm sure there is a guitar which will benefit from that mid push, but my Guild isn't it. I think the K&K really needed eq to stand up to the others, but it had a more natural attack.
Very cool, and I wish more demos were done this objectively.
I have an all mahogany martin that is a very dark sounding guitar, I have even put stainless acoustic strings which brighten it up slightly but the Lyric really brings out the "wood" sound. Definitely not a spruce top but the Lyric works well with dark guitars.
How could you install both the K&K and the lyric properly in the same guitar? They occupy the same space.
Dang, when you play all three at once that is the sound I want.
Hi! Excellent video. I'm buying Isolo pure. Can you tell me which position of the mike you found most realistic? Thank you.
How did you put two pickups together?
Nice job except for not using the K&K Preamp for the Pure. I can't find anyplace on the web that sells the iSolo. I think it is brilliant and by far the best sound. Where did you get yours? Or where can I buy one?
Hmm, I can't find it either. I'll send them a message and hopefully can get back to you with helpful information soon.
Since the product is fairly new, I know they are constantly changing and improving the iSolo.
Reverb.com has it. $350
This is really a great demonstration but one question. I googled I-Solo Wireless but I found only iSolo-Rec, do you know whether this is the same? Just asking because I wanna buy it and as I said, your video was very helpful so far.
If under saddle pickups effect tone transfer then why have one, plus having one installed and having the three button mini the tone transfer is still effected so your not really getting the true response from the mini.
how was your experience with feedback, talking about isolo, and the K&K
ISolo and Lyric for sure!!
Where can i find the songs tho?
And thank you for a perfect review!
iSolo wins, I don't care how expensive the piezo systems are they still sound like piezo systems. iSolo i can actually hear you guitar's true sound. Brilliant product - great demo.
Hello! thanks for the review On stage for the combination Fishman + iSolo, I have to close the hole. How will this affect the sound of the iSolo microphone ???