Agree with all of this and confirm to go a half size up. Felt fine in workouts, but my big toes slamming into that bumper paid the price by the end of the Berlin Marathon. Definitely comes even more alive the faster you go, pretty fun shoe in that respect! - R
No issues with the Evo SL in terms of going true to size or is it better in the end to go up half size with the one as well? The limited release it coming later this month.
@@DoctorsofRunning I know but know we trust your reviews more than anyone. That will benefit you guys more in the long run with the running community. Hope that helps.
Good review!!! Have a feeling pro 4 will be softer, faster and more aggressive Love pro 3, as heavier more muscular than typical runners its perfect cruiser for me, dream if they put new upper on pro 3 midsole and called 3.5 😅
The only channel that tells me what supershoes work best for my arch/ medial ankle support needs. I guess I’ll stick with Adios Pro 3. Also Endorphin Elite are my all time favorite marathon shoes, and I bought those based on your recommendation. So there’s definitely a good amount of trust I place in your videos.
The review i was looking for! Balanced, honest, objective. Thanks. Need some stability for pronation in later miles of a marathon, so will stick to the v3 (and VFN2 for 5/10k). Thanks again Matt
I ran a marathon this past week in the Pro 4 (not in Berlin) with a time of 2:39, and I can confirm that these shoes are very aggressive. Unlike the Pro 3's, which are versatile enough for both training and racing, I would reserve the Pro 4's strictly for race day. I'm planning to buy a few more pairs of Pro 3's for training, as I find the Pro 4's best suited for peak performance (this may change). If you're a runner with a bouncy, supple running style and gait, the Pro 4's will complement that. However, where I felt they might fall short is in mid-foot stability, similar to the Pro 2’s, especially with the cut-out section on the bottom. That said, the outsole is a dream for runners-offering great traction and even handling light gravel with ease. I really appreciate the improvements in the pro 4s For me, these shoes seem ideal for a fast half marathon, although I did use them for a full marathon. They really started to warm up in the second half of the race. So far, I’ve put about 50km into them, including the marathon, and I might update my thoughts once I’ve logged more mileage.
interesting that you got such a different experience with the pro 3. I would describe them as really agressive and also suitable for 5k and 10k races (did a solid 37 minute last week over 10k distance)
Won’t be rushing out for the 4 since the 3 is almost perfect and if the 4 lacks the stability of the 3 then that could be an issue… traction on the 3 on wet rainy roads was awesome, my go to shoe for wet races as was like a ninja cheating code ….
Thanks Matt, the Pro 3 has probably been my favorite plated shoe so I'm looking forwards to the 4 (also the hoodie is sweet). I guess I am getting tired of this "we are going to release 50 pairs so we can get around world athletics and the rest of the people have to wait" thing, Saucony did it with the Endorphin Elite 2, Adidas is doing it with the Pro Evo 1 and now this (and the Evo SL but that's different), I mean come on, the rest of us have marathons this fall too
Great vid. Used 3 in long training runs and some daily mileage to protect legs during block. Bruising from lace bite and traction an issue. Midsole versatile enough to use well below marathon pace which outweighed the negative of it underperforming at 5k pace. Glad to see a better outsole while dropping weight. Hopefully that tongue improved as well. Nike AF 3 would be hard to supplant as marathon racer.
Yeah the more i run in my saucony pro 4 the more i notice that mid foot cut out on the pro 3. I think 15 miles plus it really tires my ankles. Imo adidas should have filled that gap in especially as its more a shoe for everyday runners.
Great detailed and honest review as always! How is the heel counter compared with Takumi Sen 8-9, Boston 12 and Adios 8? Those worked great for me, but Adios Pro 3 shredded back of my Achilles to blisters. How is the midsole ride and bounce compared to Deviate Nitro Elite 3?
I wonder about the heel too, Pro 3 (as well as Prime X Strung) gave me terrible blisters in the heel, which I never had before (Takumi Sen 9) was ok. But if v4 is less wide in the forefoot that may rule it out for me anyways.
The rough stitching in my Pro 3 did the same to my achilles. Just fold the little heel flap inwards, and it covers the rough stitching and blisters should be no more. I've now got 1300km out of mine, but wanted to throw them away when I had the heel rub issue.
I ran two Comrades in the Pro3s, where the stability saves you in the later stages of the ultra. But prefer the Pro2 for marathon and 21s as they are easier to maintain speed in. It sounds like the Pro4s are more similar to the P2s?
The midsole of the Pro 4 is way softer than the Pro 3. Just by touching it, the difference in midsole softness is obvious. The fit of the Pro 4 is the same as the Evo 1. It seems smaller compared to the Pro 3 but I can't rule out if that is just because my foot size changed a bit from running. Upper more comfortable and easier to get a lockdown. The ride is plusher overall for the Pro 4. My fear is that the new LSP midsole might bottom-out faster and it might not be as durable as the one in Pro 3. Overall, a great updated version so far.
I have size 13 feet and the AP3 is noticeably on the too heavy side for a race shoe. The AP4 should be in the ballpark of 240g rather than 280g and that puts it back to the weight of a Zoom Streak 7 or a Vaporfly which is where it needs to be. Interestingly the Takumi Sen 10 is also 240g in my size. I have AP3 with a lot of life left in them but eventually I will get the AP4.
I have UK13 (US14) feet, and completely agree. This is the primary reason I use the Pro 3 more as a trainer, and the Vaporfly (V1 or V2) as my racer. For me, it's 250g Vs. 290g, so easy decision. Looks like the Pro 4 will address that.
Been enjoying the AP3 as a long run shoe. Just completed a 4th half marathon and enjoyed trying the AP3. Want to do a second marathon next year, feeling the AP3 might be the way to go - not being a super experienced distance runner. Why does Adidas keep messing with their sizing!
Almost 300 miles on my Pro 3 and they are still going strong. They have become my go to workout/long run shoe. Hoping the more aggressive Pro 4 is exactly what I need for the next marathon
Interesting note on sizing. My US12 is a EU 46 2/3 and it felt roomy. If I had higher arches I would have considered half size down. Puma US12 is a EU 46 and it fits perfect. I guess I’m a US11 2/3 then
i have version 3 in size 12 and is great but fit a litle longer than usual i want o buy the pro 4 so i need o use size 12 Int the 4 worked fine w thick socks but not w thin socks
Very interesting! I don't suppose you have any good methods to establish where you need medial stability (forefoot/midfoot/heel)? Just trial and error? I just know im neutral midfoot striker who need some medial stability. Enjoyed the v3 massively on your recommendation. Thabks!
I dont understand how softer shoe can be faster/whirt energy roads, and that term "bounce" is very very important ,example Takumi is not "bounce" but is very fast shoe...bounce is fan factor
Thanks for the video! I was about to buy what would be my second pair of Pro 3s, until I saw your video and I had doubts. I live in Argentina and I don't know when the Pro 4s will arrive... I'm not in a hurry, but I was looking forward to having a new pair of competition shoes, since the Pro 3s I have have almost 400km on them already. The Pro 3s worked for me in a way I never imagined, in a spectacular way. The only ones you had used with plates before were the Adizero Pros, and I didn't like them at all. Do you recommend that I wait for the 4s to come out or buy a new pair of Pro 3s? I weigh 80kg and I run the 10k in 36', the half in 1h18' and the marathon in 2h50'. And one detail, I don't use shoes with plates for training, I prefer to save that extra for competitions.
I have v2 and it squeaked after 150km. I heard V3 and Primes squeaking too. You have 2 pairs of 3s that is over 250km, any squeak? I think its the exposed rods, maybe collecting water or rubbing against the foam
Hello, I’m not into marathon but have my eyes on adios pro 3 since a while for my gym workout, which includes elliptical, HIIT workout and ending with a 5k run on treadmill. Which one do you suggest me for my purpose? I want the best one adidas has ever made!
What is the rocker/toespring like? When I tried the AP3, I felt the transition was rather unnatural, very on/off sort of feeling - unlike most other supershoes I tried, where the rocker feels a lot more gradual and a lot less noticeable. Based on photos of AP4, it looks like the toespring angle is reduced a bit and the tipping point of the rocker is smoothed out - but I wonder how much you can actually feel it in reality.
Matt....the Endo Pro 4 wasn't stable enough for me for races. What do you suggest? (I had a break in my left foot that will forever cause me pain/issues).
@@Ginguredrunner depends on what you need! Endorphin elite has larger sidewalls and a stiffer platform, Hoka Cielo x1 has a strong lateral bias for those that need midfoot stability and the Hoka rocket x2 if stiff with large sidewalls (but low drop so watch your calves)!
I been thinking about this, they made minor tweaks to the AP3, inner logo AP3 are different than the inner 3 stripes AP3, maybe comparing a 2024 AP3 with the AP4 would be different, idk.
There is video somewhere on RUclips speculating about this. I have never thought about this, but have 4 pairs 2 older and 2 never so will have a look and pay more attention to it when running.
Thank you so much for your review brother. Would you please tell me that, my feet size is=25.5 cm. I basically use vaporfly next%2 is 26.5 cm, Saucony endorphin pro2-26.5 cm. I never used Adidas brand before. But, i heard that their size little bit big in size. So please ensure my brother that, What size can be the good comfortable for adios pro 4, if my feet size is 25.5 cm. I would appreciate. Thanks again!❤🧡
Less overall. Especially in the midfoot. The forefoot has a more aggressive push laterally, the midfoot medially and the heel laterally. Version 3 is far more centered and stable overall
@@geoffreymccann2841 definitely with additional miles. The outsole, what little there is, gets significantly worse quickly in v3. On dry roads it is fine but anything else can be an issue. But that is one person’s experience so take it with a grain of salt. I am know to be the weirdo. -Matt
@DoctorsofRunning i haven't had any issues yet but time will tell. But I've had some shocking experiences with the roads around here when it's wet with a few different shoes . I still refuse to buy another pair of Novablast because I still don't think the grip has improved much .
I bet this adios pro 4 will be around for at least 2 years so I don't see anyone not upgrading that's even semi serious about running and has the Pro3s.
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Agree with all of this and confirm to go a half size up. Felt fine in workouts, but my big toes slamming into that bumper paid the price by the end of the Berlin Marathon. Definitely comes even more alive the faster you go, pretty fun shoe in that respect! - R
No issues with the Evo SL in terms of going true to size or is it better in the end to go up half size with the one as well? The limited release it coming later this month.
Yay, an honest review from someone that wasn’t sent to Berlin by Adidas!
We get where you’re coming from, but also we never can get out to do cool things which is sometimes disappointing.
@@DoctorsofRunning I know but know we trust your reviews more than anyone. That will benefit you guys more in the long run with the running community. Hope that helps.
@@itsahardmuttlife9263I see what you did there with the “Hope that helps” ;)
They should have been sent to Berlin wym
@@jesustsa1 It’s probably better they didn’t so they can give an honest review.
Good review!!!
Have a feeling pro 4 will be softer, faster and more aggressive
Love pro 3, as heavier more muscular than typical runners its perfect cruiser for me, dream if they put new upper on pro 3 midsole and called 3.5 😅
The only channel that tells me what supershoes work best for my arch/ medial ankle support needs. I guess I’ll stick with Adios Pro 3. Also Endorphin Elite are my all time favorite marathon shoes, and I bought those based on your recommendation. So there’s definitely a good amount of trust I place in your videos.
The review i was looking for! Balanced, honest, objective. Thanks. Need some stability for pronation in later miles of a marathon, so will stick to the v3 (and VFN2 for 5/10k). Thanks again Matt
I ran a marathon this past week in the Pro 4 (not in Berlin) with a time of 2:39, and I can confirm that these shoes are very aggressive. Unlike the Pro 3's, which are versatile enough for both training and racing, I would reserve the Pro 4's strictly for race day. I'm planning to buy a few more pairs of Pro 3's for training, as I find the Pro 4's best suited for peak performance (this may change).
If you're a runner with a bouncy, supple running style and gait, the Pro 4's will complement that. However, where I felt they might fall short is in mid-foot stability, similar to the Pro 2’s, especially with the cut-out section on the bottom. That said, the outsole is a dream for runners-offering great traction and even handling light gravel with ease. I really appreciate the improvements in the pro 4s
For me, these shoes seem ideal for a fast half marathon, although I did use them for a full marathon. They really started to warm up in the second half of the race. So far, I’ve put about 50km into them, including the marathon, and I might update my thoughts once I’ve logged more mileage.
Thanks for the info
interesting that you got such a different experience with the pro 3.
I would describe them as really agressive and also suitable for 5k and 10k races (did a solid 37 minute last week over 10k distance)
Getting the 3 on a deep sale price is great value for a marathon session and long run shoe
that is my plan!
Won’t be rushing out for the 4 since the 3 is almost perfect and if the 4 lacks the stability of the 3 then that could be an issue… traction on the 3 on wet rainy roads was awesome, my go to shoe for wet races as was like a ninja cheating code ….
Like the 3 because the stability.
Same!
Thanks Matt, the Pro 3 has probably been my favorite plated shoe so I'm looking forwards to the 4 (also the hoodie is sweet). I guess I am getting tired of this "we are going to release 50 pairs so we can get around world athletics and the rest of the people have to wait" thing, Saucony did it with the Endorphin Elite 2, Adidas is doing it with the Pro Evo 1 and now this (and the Evo SL but that's different), I mean come on, the rest of us have marathons this fall too
Indeed, seems like they're leaving money on the table.
I trust this guy so much. I dont know why. Love your videos
Great vid. Used 3 in long training runs and some daily mileage to protect legs during block. Bruising from lace bite and traction an issue. Midsole versatile enough to use well below marathon pace which outweighed the negative of it underperforming at 5k pace. Glad to see a better outsole while dropping weight. Hopefully that tongue improved as well. Nike AF 3 would be hard to supplant as marathon racer.
Excellent review, detailed and objective
With the cuts in the midsole and the details all around the shoe, the pro 3 is, for me, a much better look shoe.
Thanks for the honest review
Thanks for the great review. Would either shoe be suitable for supination?
Honest Review 👌
Yeah the more i run in my saucony pro 4 the more i notice that mid foot cut out on the pro 3. I think 15 miles plus it really tires my ankles.
Imo adidas should have filled that gap in especially as its more a shoe for everyday runners.
Great heel and forefoot guidance, but collapsing at midfoot, hmmm. Puma ForeverRun: hello 😂
Still great to hear for a forefoot runner! I love the forefoot stability that AP3 provided.
Great detailed and honest review as always! How is the heel counter compared with Takumi Sen 8-9, Boston 12 and Adios 8? Those worked great for me, but Adios Pro 3 shredded back of my Achilles to blisters. How is the midsole ride and bounce compared to Deviate Nitro Elite 3?
I wonder about the heel too, Pro 3 (as well as Prime X Strung) gave me terrible blisters in the heel, which I never had before (Takumi Sen 9) was ok. But if v4 is less wide in the forefoot that may rule it out for me anyways.
The rough stitching in my Pro 3 did the same to my achilles. Just fold the little heel flap inwards, and it covers the rough stitching and blisters should be no more. I've now got 1300km out of mine, but wanted to throw them away when I had the heel rub issue.
@matthanna1980 thanks, I tried folding the flap, but still too much play...
I ran two Comrades in the Pro3s, where the stability saves you in the later stages of the ultra. But prefer the Pro2 for marathon and 21s as they are easier to maintain speed in. It sounds like the Pro4s are more similar to the P2s?
Seems so
In many ways yes. But much lighter and far more responsive/bouncy sole
The midsole of the Pro 4 is way softer than the Pro 3. Just by touching it, the difference in midsole softness is obvious. The fit of the Pro 4 is the same as the Evo 1. It seems smaller compared to the Pro 3 but I can't rule out if that is just because my foot size changed a bit from running. Upper more comfortable and easier to get a lockdown. The ride is plusher overall for the Pro 4. My fear is that the new LSP midsole might bottom-out faster and it might not be as durable as the one in Pro 3. Overall, a great updated version so far.
Looking forward to a Matt review of the evo sl 😅
I have size 13 feet and the AP3 is noticeably on the too heavy side for a race shoe. The AP4 should be in the ballpark of 240g rather than 280g and that puts it back to the weight of a Zoom Streak 7 or a Vaporfly which is where it needs to be. Interestingly the Takumi Sen 10 is also 240g in my size.
I have AP3 with a lot of life left in them but eventually I will get the AP4.
I have UK13 (US14) feet, and completely agree. This is the primary reason I use the Pro 3 more as a trainer, and the Vaporfly (V1 or V2) as my racer. For me, it's 250g Vs. 290g, so easy decision. Looks like the Pro 4 will address that.
Been enjoying the AP3 as a long run shoe. Just completed a 4th half marathon and enjoyed trying the AP3. Want to do a second marathon next year, feeling the AP3 might be the way to go - not being a super experienced distance runner. Why does Adidas keep messing with their sizing!
Almost 300 miles on my Pro 3 and they are still going strong. They have become my go to workout/long run shoe. Hoping the more aggressive Pro 4 is exactly what I need for the next marathon
Wow 300 miles is crazy because these are racing shoes and aren’t supposed to be very durable
Interesting note on sizing. My US12 is a EU 46 2/3 and it felt roomy. If I had higher arches I would have considered half size down. Puma US12 is a EU 46 and it fits perfect. I guess I’m a US11 2/3 then
i have version 3 in size 12 and is great but fit a litle longer than usual i want o buy the pro 4 so i need o use size 12 Int the 4 worked fine w thick socks but not w thin socks
i am upgrading as i love adidas shoes
Very interesting! I don't suppose you have any good methods to establish where you need medial stability (forefoot/midfoot/heel)? Just trial and error? I just know im neutral midfoot striker who need some medial stability. Enjoyed the v3 massively on your recommendation. Thabks!
good question
Sounds like v4 is much better for Vaporfly enjoyers.
Or Alphafly users…
I am in the 3:30 to 4 hour marathon group so probably better for me to stick with either Adidas pro 3 or endorphin pro 3/4.
I dont understand how softer shoe can be faster/whirt energy roads, and that term "bounce" is very very important ,example Takumi is not "bounce" but is very fast shoe...bounce is fan factor
Thanks for the video! I was about to buy what would be my second pair of Pro 3s, until I saw your video and I had doubts. I live in Argentina and I don't know when the Pro 4s will arrive... I'm not in a hurry, but I was looking forward to having a new pair of competition shoes, since the Pro 3s I have have almost 400km on them already.
The Pro 3s worked for me in a way I never imagined, in a spectacular way. The only ones you had used with plates before were the Adizero Pros, and I didn't like them at all.
Do you recommend that I wait for the 4s to come out or buy a new pair of Pro 3s? I weigh 80kg and I run the 10k in 36', the half in 1h18' and the marathon in 2h50'. And one detail, I don't use shoes with plates for training, I prefer to save that extra for competitions.
I have v2 and it squeaked after 150km. I heard V3 and Primes squeaking too. You have 2 pairs of 3s that is over 250km, any squeak? I think its the exposed rods, maybe collecting water or rubbing against the foam
Please review Adizero Evo SL!
@@wonkydonkey7899 unfortunately we got passed for those but hoping to grab a pair for review when they come out!
That translucent outsole looks like what the Big Chinese brands are using. Xtep CPU for example.
Hello, I’m not into marathon but have my eyes on adios pro 3 since a while for my gym workout, which includes elliptical, HIIT workout and ending with a 5k run on treadmill. Which one do you suggest me for my purpose? I want the best one adidas has ever made!
What is the rocker/toespring like? When I tried the AP3, I felt the transition was rather unnatural, very on/off sort of feeling - unlike most other supershoes I tried, where the rocker feels a lot more gradual and a lot less noticeable. Based on photos of AP4, it looks like the toespring angle is reduced a bit and the tipping point of the rocker is smoothed out - but I wonder how much you can actually feel it in reality.
we need that hoka mach x 2 review!!
Just bought a pair wow 👌 prefer them to my addidas pro three
@@samgentle3007 amazing! i just ordered mine today, excited to test it out. did you have any issues with the heel?
@@harpxeal3869 I know! We are interested in trying them but haven’t heard anything!
Loving these neutral reviews 👍🏻
Matt....the Endo Pro 4 wasn't stable enough for me for races. What do you suggest? (I had a break in my left foot that will forever cause me pain/issues).
@@Ginguredrunner depends on what you need! Endorphin elite has larger sidewalls and a stiffer platform, Hoka Cielo x1 has a strong lateral bias for those that need midfoot stability and the Hoka rocket x2 if stiff with large sidewalls (but low drop so watch your calves)!
@@DoctorsofRunning I was thinking the Ceilo as my next buy...so will probably go that route. Thanks for the info!
sounds like version 2, it was faster for me, not as stable as 3 and more aggressive.
@@tav4755 agreed! But v4 is also much lighter!
So Pro 4 is not good option for person that has Posterior Tibial Tendon Problems?
@@justoutlaw6423 probably not based on the midfoot
I have PTTD and I like the AP3 because it "throws" my feet laterally. This lessens the stress of the tendon
How accommodating are these shoes for people with wider/splaying forefeet, and higher arches?
Hello about the sizing, im 8.5 US size with AP 3, but planning to upgrade to ap 4. Should i get same size? 8.5 US? Thanks!
I like Adidas, but their rockers aren't dramatic enough for my taste, and I don't think their toe boxes are narrow enough.
Have you Run in the Saucony Elite ?
If you like steep Rockers this Shoe is great.
The LS pro in the 2022 pro 3 is different than what they are using in 2024. 2024 is not as firm.
I been thinking about this, they made minor tweaks to the AP3, inner logo AP3 are different than the inner 3 stripes AP3, maybe comparing a 2024 AP3 with the AP4 would be different, idk.
There is video somewhere on RUclips speculating about this. I have never thought about this, but have 4 pairs 2 older and 2 never so will have a look and pay more attention to it when running.
of course we should upgrade
Depends on individual needs!
Thank you so much for your review brother. Would you please tell me that, my feet size is=25.5 cm.
I basically use vaporfly next%2 is 26.5 cm, Saucony endorphin pro2-26.5 cm. I never used Adidas brand before. But, i heard that their size little bit big in size. So please ensure my brother that, What size can be the good comfortable for adios pro 4, if my feet size is 25.5 cm. I would appreciate. Thanks again!❤🧡
Hi, will the 4 work for us heel strikers?
Hi Are u planing do review on diadora gara ?
@@Maximilian745 Matt keeps looking for a pair on eBay but we don’t have any connection with Diadora at this time! We hear it is an interesting shoe!
The 4 is more stable would you say?
Less overall. Especially in the midfoot. The forefoot has a more aggressive push laterally, the midfoot medially and the heel laterally. Version 3 is far more centered and stable overall
I’ll stick with my pro 3 .. the new ap4 is 250$ .. and in some places even more than that, the pro 3 is always on sale like a 100$ dude
Take my money Adidas!
Your the only person that's said the grip on the 3 is bad ???
@@geoffreymccann2841 definitely with additional miles. The outsole, what little there is, gets significantly worse quickly in v3. On dry roads it is fine but anything else can be an issue. But that is one person’s experience so take it with a grain of salt. I am know to be the weirdo. -Matt
@DoctorsofRunning i haven't had any issues yet but time will tell. But I've had some shocking experiences with the roads around here when it's wet with a few different shoes . I still refuse to buy another pair of Novablast because I still don't think the grip has improved much .
Version 4 was to long. Great for long runs.
I bet this adios pro 4 will be around for at least 2 years so I don't see anyone not upgrading that's even semi serious about running and has the Pro3s.
Don't put them on your head.
Version 4 goes better with my outfits. So it gets my vote.