Why is Judo Underrepresented in Grappling?
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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Chael Sonnen talks Judo and the upcoming SUG 19 main event between SUG Champion Mason Fowler and Olympic Gold Medalist Satoshi Ishii.
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I did judo for about 10 years and even represented my country. I remember fighting an american wrestler in judo practice one time. I was initially scared cause the kid was built, had huge lats and obviously stronger than me. Turns out I ended up taking him down at will with the technique of choice. The difference being that I was playing with his equilibrium while he was simply trying to overpower me.
Judo techniques are used all the time in MMA not only for throws and takedowns but also in just about every submission which BJJ inherits from Judo.
Lol! You're absolutely correct but theses mma zealots try to down play judo and that's sad
Judo shouldnt take credit for BJJ's success in mma. Sure, BJJ owes Judo for being the parent art and it's true that most BJJ submissions come from Judo but the overall mat work and the approach to positional fighting is not the same as Judo.
Judo lacks long sequences of grappling and details to set up for the submissions since Judo specializes in quick transitions from throw to submission or pin. You're not gonna find Judokas being back mount beasts or leglock wizards since successfully pulling off submissions like rnc, aka hadaka jime, and legocks requires a ton of technical depth and set ups.
@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 Yep. Most of BJJ submissions are not even legal in judo, so taking credit for them is just mad.
@@JoriMikke78 That's like saying because certain words were taboo in latin, it doesn't get to take any credit for french.
@@TheSonic1685 Yeah, it really does not - and most people who study french don't study or understand latin.
And that is just fine, there is absolutely nothing wrong about it.
Says the man who's been defeated SEVERAL TIMES by Judo techniques. Man, you've been victim of Judo throws and Judo submissions: you've been choked with Sankaku-jime and joint-locked with Juji-gatame. What the hell, man? You've been victim of Judo so many times. The fact that you weren't able to spot the techniques you have been submitted to, says a lot about you.
There's a lot of fools out there hating on judo . Smh
🤣🤣🤣
Demian Maia executed a hiza guruma straight into sankaku jime and Chael, the loud mouth, saying judo don;t work lol
Fedor who KO’d Chael, apart from being a Sambo fighter is a very successful Judoka
Chael gets submitted by BJJ fighters, not Judokas. Just because they originated from Judo, doesn't mean Judo gets to take credit for BJJ's actual performance on ground fighting.
2:12 the speed of the transition, the way he changed rhythms, the way he used his hand to support the leg movement, the way he completely stopped talking as if to warn you it's coming.
That was chaels best leg cross in recent memory.
Very dramatic leg cross. Oscar caliber.
Most judoka don’t care much for MMA fighting. They want to go to the Olympics. They also get told they can’t fight because they wear a gi.
Did they tell you that themselves? lol
@@ShakTMT He might be a Judoka. I'm one myself. What Ronda did was unprecedented in our community cus Judo is so grueling because of the Olympic circuit.
Judo guys that make it through the olympics don't go into MMA for the same reason the Karate and TKD guys don't. I.E. All the moves are a low percentage move in MMA (because of the lack of Gi).
The need of having to defend oneself in western boxing/Thai Boxing scenarios(all fights start standing with the opponent out of Judo range).
Chael,Colby and Khabib use modified Judo trips frequently.
@@shadow_realm47 so are you training for the olympics too?
Most judo players worth a shit are walking injuries from the years of the international competition circuit. MMA is prob the last thing an educated person (which most high level judoka are) would want to do after a career of international judo. Judo and MMA are also completely different, culturally; like golf and nascar. Not much cross-over
@@ShakTMT The guy is right for the wrong reason. He framed it as an opinion, but in reality Judoka don't compete in MMA or BJJ as the IJF have an official rule that any Judo athlete who does that will essentially be prohibited from Judo competitions.
This is pretty serious, as Olympic qualification runs 2 years prior to the games. So, if an elite Judoka had to miss some of those qualifying tournaments they won't make it to the Olympics. Which is what it's all about for Judo players.
So, if a Judoka wants to compete in MMA or BJJ, they have to decide not to compete in Judo tournaments. That's a big sacrifice for many serious Judo folks.
Chael: “in America we know Judo as a rough sport, In other parts of the Country like France Judo is curriculum based”
You heard it here first Ladies and Gentlemen France is now part of the USA because Chael said so.
We could go take it if we wanted it
Cajuns say 👋
Chael: misspeaks
Other countries: "okay, we're Americans."
Greatest honor of their lives. Balls dropped all across France when they found out they became Americans.
hahha what a dumb thing to say
2:13 for the magnificent leg cross
I have my own theories why Judo is less popular in MMA:
1. It's a very old tradional martial art and not many MMA schools teach Judo. The ones that do, are usually modified versions blended with BJJ, that have no ranking system. So in order for most judokas to get into MMA, they would have to got to a separate school to learn some striking. This would be very expensive and not practical for the average person. Also, many judo black belts have a lot of respect for tradition and prefer not to teach it in an MMA setting. Similar to how there is no Karate in most MMA schools.
2. Most judokas are more focused on getting into the Olympics and perfecting their craft in Judo tournaments. MMA is not their priority. Ronda Rousey and Kayla Harrisson got into MMA AFTER they won their medals. BJJ is not an Olympic sport, so MMA is the only place a BJJ practitioner can make good money within their sport. For this reason, along with the first reason I mentioned, it would make sense that there are a lot more BJJ people in MMA.
3. There are more wrestlers in MMA simply because that sport is more accessible to young people without needing to spend money. It's taught in both high school and college for FREE. You can even pay your college tuition with a Wrestling scholarship. You don't even need formal training to learn basic wrestling. You can just roll with the guys around you and learn as you go. Kids even do this at a very young age when play fighting. Judo is more technical and its only possible to learn formally with someone who has experience. And you have to spend money to do this.
This.
None of your points are either true or consistent especially #2 and #3 since they contradict each other. Judo is a scholastic sport like wrestling and it's also taught for free in schools depending on the country. So wrestlers and judokas are in the same position. They don't make money from training and competing to get into the Olympics. Wrestlers get into mma when their wrestling careers are done because they actually find success in transitioning to it. This success eventually spreads and signals to more wrestlers into trying out mma which is why mma gets alot of influx of wrestlers. If they didn't, we wouldnt be seeing wrestlers in mma the same way we dont see any kung fu fighter. That's just natural selection at work. Judokas on the other hand couldnt really compete well against wrestlers on the feet and barely existed in the top ten in UFC history so naturally there was no incentive to move on to mma if Judokas arent finding much success.
@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 I don't know what country you live in, but most countries don't have Judo classes in high school. They might have it in countries where the sport is very popular like France, Russia, and Japan. But for the most part most countries don't have the sport in their schools.
Judokas can make money from local and international tournaments and sponsorships. The same as how some pure BJJ guys do. Like Gordon Ryan, Eddie Bravo, and Dillon Danis before he crossed over to MMA. The difference is Judokas can make way more because it's an Olympic sport. It's not easy to do, but it's possible if you are very good and have the right connections. Have you never heard of big international grappling tournaments like Abu Dhabi Combat Club?
Also you are wrong about Judoka's not being able to compete with wrestlers on the feet. There are actually quite a few Judokas in MMA that have cross trained in other arts. For example Vitor Belfort, Fedor Emelianenko, Karo Parisyan, Hector Lombard, Yoshihiro Akiyama, Dong Hyun, Shinya Aoki, and course bigger names like Kayla Harrison and Ronda Rousey. So you're theory about Judokas not having success is wrong.
The reason why a Judoka would have problems with a wrestler on the feet is because Judo is meant to be done with a Gi with clothes on. Also they focus more on upperbody throws instead of leg takedowns. Also it wouldn't even matter if the fight went to the ground because the pure wrestler would eventually get submitted once it gets to the ground. Ronda Rousey and Kayla Harrison are good examples of this. Judo vs BJJ on the ground is a different story unless the Judoka cross trains in BJJ. Cross training is essential for MMA anyway and all fighters do it. So you wouldn't have a point by saying these are not pure Judokas.
1) True, however in recent years some Judo clubs have merged with striking clubs to form MMA gyms,
2) Yes
3) Do you think this might be because wrestling is bigger the Americas, And the UFC is sourcing talent from the Americas
@@graciederangementsyndrome3669 #2 is true. For a long time many Judoka only focus on the Olympics. It is only in recent years that $ got high enough that many Judoka's are moving to MMA. There has been a cultural shift where Judoka who used to keep doing Olympic campaigns until their body is broken, will now do 1 Olympic campaign and transition to MMA. (or just stop fighting)
#3 I think part of the reason the UFC is full of wrestlers. Is because wrestling is big in the USA. I remember alot more homegrown Judo, JJJ and Samba talent in Pride. In Pride; Judo, JJJ and Samba did just fine on their feet against wrestlers. There are also examples of Judo beating wrestlers in the UFC in grappling. Did you see the recent Whittaker v Du Plessis round 1 end. Thats was definitely a Judo style throw and ground & pound transition.
Fedor - judo black belt
Khabib - judo black belt
Islam - judo black belt
Ronda Rousey - judo black belt
Amanda nunes - judo brown belt
Fabrício Werdum - judo black belt
Amanda Ribas - judo black belt
Antonio “Bigfoot” Silva - judo black belt
Valentina Shevchenko - judo black belt
Vitor belfort - judo black belt
Jacare Souza - judo black belt
Yoshiro Akiyama - judo black belt
Kayla harrison - judo black belt
Don Frye - black belt judo
Dan Severn - black belt judo
Dong Hyun Kim - black belt judo
Rick hawn - black belt judo
Karo parisyan - black belt judo
Yoshida (defeated Royce) - black belt judo
Hector Lombard - black belt judo
Ishii - black belt judo
Dan Kelly - black belt judo
Yushin Okami - black belt judo
Nice list. Makes you think that Judo doesn't get mentioned much in MMA because people don't get finished via Judo techniques (thanks to the padded and suspended floor). Ronda Rousey got famous for her armbars and not for her incredible ability to throw her opponents to the ground. If MMA was contested on concrete, you would hear much more of Judo being a devastating style.
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@@angelsjoker8190 Judo more than just throwing
@@angelsjoker8190 Dude. Both armbar (ude hishigi juji-gatame) and triangle choke (sankaku-jime) came from Judo as far as records go.
@@v.d.2738 True, bad wording from me. What I meant was for regular people/casuals, Judo is mainly known for its throws (thanks to Olympic Judo rules that minimize the ground fighting time) while submission holds are associated with BJJ (even though BJJ comes from Judo and most of the submissions are part of original Kodokan Judo). The showcase effectiveness of Judo is limited by the padded and suspended floor. Judo players would regularly win by KO via high-altitude throws if it weren't for the padding.
UFC to Judo: I can't let you get close.
Karo and Khabib: Hold our matsun and tea.
Khabib, Ronda, and Shevchenko are Judokas
Filthy casual, go tell that to:
- Vitor Belfort
- Fedor
- Khabib
- Ronda
- Khabib
- Valentina
- Don Frye
- Kayla Harrison
- Hector Lombard
and the list goes on
Anderson silva, akiyama, machica alot have reasonable levels... but for a high level judoka say Teddy Riner, Illiadis, Daria Bilifodid, Christina Deguchi all have bigger things going on... like qualifying for Olympics or Coaching/touring. Pity help MMA if the IJF made a concerted effort to farm a team to make an impression on the world. Why would an organization try to validate another BUSINESS though and risk injury to its own superstars.
@@gradgoals3011 thank you,,,
BJJ has better marketing, no other reason. Remember what Kimura did to Helio Gracie?
So true
Indeed
It’s because Judo has limited itself so much through their ruleset. They’ve manipulated their rules to keep Judo pure, but have only limited growth and innovation.
An example of this would be the banning of the double leg takedown, which is a common move in wrestling. The reason for this was that it was too effective and the Judo competitions stopped using the fancier Judo throws, and opted for the more efficient wrestling moves.
BJJ has a more open ruleset, where almost all grappling moves are allowed (even heel hooks are being legalised in the IBJJF). This makes it more exiting as the competition landscape continually changes as counters and new moves are being created to defeat the old techniques.
@@matthewfon3649 the original judo books an knowledge from what I understand were basically modern MMA theory.
Strike while standing.
Take down any way possible.
Choke or break bones on ground.
Then modern "master" began taking what worked for them an slowly choked judo down to what it is now.
@@matthewfon3649 that's not why it was banned. They banned it as soon as wrestling was removed from the Olympics back in 2012. Their main fear is being removed from the Olympics because then they lose funding. They wanted to distance themselves from wrestling since it got removed from the Olympics. Before that they were legal in judo for about 70 years. Even though wrestling returned in 2016 they didn't reinstate double legs because they were still worried
I am a Judoka, and the most logical answer that comes to mind is simple :
Judokas love their judo, they have everything they want in this sport, a very thight ans knitted community, and a sport that allows them to wrestle on foot and on the ground.
Also, being a japanese sport, they share the prideful values that comes with Judo.
Also judo isn't that popular in the US. Most UFC fighters come from the US. If you don't live in the US it's very hard to get into the UFC. In the US wrestling and BJJ are more popular, so you see a lot of people from there
Judo is also a very niche martial art with a specific set of rules in comparison to jujitsu. I just want the ijf to bring back double legs
@@blankminuterandoms5056 me too. Just leg grabs in general. I want to do real kata garumas
@@johnathannelsonento2040 same. My dojo has a few judo and jiujitsu tournaments every year and I learned Kata Guruma for jits. It’s such a fun throw
Bjj is basically just a judo spin off
@Cee Why no
@Cee Why yes but newaza started with judo and bjj just developed it
So yes its actually a spin of focusing on more ground work
No, it has a lot of influence from other arts. I recommend this profile on Instagram to those interested @the_catch_wrestling_in_bjj
Lol
I'm pretty sure Valentina Shevchenko has a black belt in Judo.
I'm pretty sure Valentina has a black belt in everything
she was born in ex soviet state, it is common for mixed martial artists from ex soviet states to have a understanding to mastery of grappling
Absolutely - she uses judo in every fight.
Judo throws are highly effective on concrete, and any surface that is not a big springboard cushion.
Also: Money: outside of the US, Judo is so huge that if you are a high level internationally successful judoka you make enough money you don't have to fight for your livelyhood.
The problem is olympic Judo. They neutered the art.
Anirudh Garg exactly they put in a bunch of rules to differentiate themselves from wrestling and watered the sport down
This answer is so on point. Traditional Japanese Judo is much better suited to MMA than Olympic Judo
Itsr happening the same with Jiu Jitsu
@Werewolf O. London, Esq. never heard of judoka masahiko kimura submitting helio gracie, with a submission later adopted by bjj practitioners and it's name changed to kimura?
Agreed. Their excuse is always been that these rules are to make look judo more interesting.... nonsense
I believe if they still want to compete in judo the ijf doesn't allow competiting in other forms at some level. So only when done with international comp.
and after international comp everybody is
broken so nobody wants to compete in other sport.
This is the andwer
yup, Teddy Riner is one of the best right now would walk through most MMA guys made about 82 million just in 2020 a slow year for most athletes to make any money . You think he is going to go for an MMA fight get kicked out of the IJF and never make that kind of money ever again. The kind of money top judo players make is at a level MMA just can't meet and fighting in MMA cuts judo players from that. Plus top judo guys get big paying coaching gigs if that stay in the IJF after their fighting days are done. MMA will not see top judo players in their prime that money is just not there. At best retired players who didn't land a coaching gig.
@@erikmmccray Not sure the money is just that big in Judo lol. But I agree, generally it's no better in MMA money wise .
But with Riner, he is too big for MMA. Literally. UFC HW limit is 265lbs and Riner walks around at a lean 285lbs. He would struggle to make weight to compete in UFC.
Imo, and I don't know too much about judo, it's because Judo has a more specialized set of rules, than jiu jitsu. It's like the difference between kickboxing and muay thai.
Yea, after the ijf ruled that you couldn't grab legs for throws as well as threaten leg locks
Here’s my two cents on why it’s underrepresented in MMA/grappling
1) it’s an in between style... it has takedowns and submissions!! Problem is wrestling is better for takedowns and BJJ is more diverse and submission oriented - therefore it gets lost in the shadows despite being effective for self defence, better use of your MMA time to learn the other two arts
2) a lot of throws and trips are initiated by grabbing the GI, therefore a lot of techniques may not be applicable in a no-Gi/MMA fight... but would likely be effective in a street fight scenario.
I think Chael’s assessment is off. You would only have to watch Jake Shields vs Hector Lombard to see how it can work... or even Khabib with his trips against the cage
i am not disagreeing with your point i think most of it is correct - but why do you think wrestling is better for takedowns? because you can grab the legs?
or because something else?
This is an honest question, i only did Judo so im curious!
@@bombastikderteutone6858 Judo throws and takedowns require more technical skills to execute that say a double or single leg takedown but both are also effective so it’s better use of your time.
Plus wrestling is very effective for clinching and dirty boxing which aren’t used as much in Judo
Also because the sport of wrestling is purely based on takedowns and dominant positions, Wrestling always works your takedown defence way more than Judo, which in turn is better for MMA too
Also my second point stands, in Judo a lot of options come from gripping the GI/fabrics whilst wrestlers are used to grappling more unclothed and thus techniques translate more to MMA
also that it doesn't really help when Ronda, Shevchenko, or Khabib's ground game gets labelled as just ju jutsu or BJJ, like when Firas said that khabib's BJJ was excellent when khabib won over gaethje. weird part is that Khabib's camp was full of Russian Samboists, Judokas, Wrestlers, and the striking coach javier mendez
@@seanking6184 hmm. That make sense.
i think its for 2 other reasons, coming from a judoka who does BJJ
1: BJJ. BJJ tends to atrackts those who are interested in MMA and fighting, I've met so many BJJ guys who fight to be good at MMA comps, we talk about it all the time during practice. judoka on the other hand are judoka, they are not MMA fithers, they don't step into the octagon, they come to do one thing, that is not to use judo to become better at another sport, its to become better at judo. I've heard many times in my BJJ class "well would this work in the ring?" and never have i heard that used ever in my life in the dojo. people who want to fight and do damage don't come to judo, they come to BJJ, and people who want to do sports come to judo rather than BJJ
2: the way its advertized. again its simular to the previous statement, its just two different worlds attracting different people. its advertized this way, judo is advertised as this high level competitive sport while BJJ is more shown as a component of fighting. fighting is just not what judo is about. judo is more focused on points and rules, BJJ is going in a simular direction but still, BJJ is focused on tapping others out while judo is about points.
It's far easier to learn how to tackle somebody then it is to spend decades of your life studying a martial art.
A lot of the reason is that the governing bodies have a lot of control over the athletes. IJF will hit you with a ban if you compete in another combat sport, which takes you out of Olympic contention. Since a lot of judoka are chasing those medals, they play along.
It's absolutely amazing that Chael didn't mention this entirely obvious factor that explains it almost single-handedly.
What do you mean ‘judo doesn’t work’? How could that sentence even make sense? It works against someone wearing a judogi. If you put on a judogi and go against someone better than you at judo you will get thrown again and again and you will be able to do nothing even if you’re a wrestler or a BJJ player. Trust me I train judo and I regularly get thrown by people I have a 60lb weight advantage against. Without a gi it works a bit and quite a lot if you train to modify and transfer the skills.
This is not to mention that BJJ came from judo. Yeah they’ve invented new moves and they’ve practiced groundwork to where the average BJJ player is better at ground than the average Judoka but the main moves are the same
Because a lot of Judo ground base is recognized as jui jitsu, where most people recognize the throws
Beat me to it, but well put. 👍
agreed
1. Judo's not big in America
2. IJF are dicks about not letting their professionals do other grappling.
3. Gi
4. leg grab ban. not as big a hole in a Gi (or clothing) as it sounds but a big hole nevertheless, particularly in a clotheless context. If you miss the single leg in the gi you give the opponent dominant grips.
5. The idea of Judo is that the takedown is a weapon that ends the fight with blunt trauma, everything else is secondary if that doesn't work. The Judo rules reflect this goal but other grappling rulesets don't.
6. A basic understanding of wrestling is easier to attain for BJJ guys than a basic understanding of Judo.
Good summary of everything else that was spread through out the comments and good new points
Khabib is actually a Judo guy
You forgot Yoshida who beat Gracie.
Who was also beat by a wrestler
@@roflswamp6 you hot your answer than, wrestling is the best martial art that there is. The search is over. 😂😂😂😂
@@CelsoMollo yeah i agree after taking up bjj as a white belt and going up against dudes with judo and wrestling and pure bjj backgrounds id say wrestling is king
dude that match was almost 20 years ago. Let’s look at something more recent like Yuri Simoes vs Travis Stevens who is a former Judo olympian and Renzo Gracie Black Belt. Yuri took him down and controlled him on the floor. Feel free to check it out on Flograppling
@@roflswamp6 According to Habib Nurmagomedov thats not true
Fedor Emelianenko is a judoka, Satoshi Ishi broke two Olympic records in judo, Khabib is a judoka, Makichev is a judoka, Darko Stošić is a judoka, Bojan Veličković is a judoka ... Everyone except the first two fought in the UFC ...
Judo teaches body control and position. Even if you're not using judo techniques you're probably using some degree of judo principles
It’s a very underrated martial art , I train and compete in judo myself and at my dojo we also have a bjj club who uses our mats , many times when the bjj students step on the mat with us they can’t do anything to take us down and have a tough time on the ground as well (bare in mind we train a lot of Ne-Waza at my specific dojo) “ground work” ... a lot of fighters in the UFC use judo techniques but nobody seems to speak about it much but when us judokas are watching the UFC events we are always calling out the throws and sweeps they perform 😆
Ye pretty much any takedown in mma is judo even Daniel cormier leg takedown where he lifts them in the air and makes them do a front flip is a te guruma problem is most people think judo is just hip tosses
I agree Bro ! same at my club, we choose at the end of the class, we do 5 randori and we can choose what we want, go for newaza or train our stand up, and we cross trrain with bjj guy from time to timee (in my club the bjj licence is free if you are a judoka)
I personally think freestyle wrestling + bjj is the ultimate combo for grappling
Judo is very efficient in MMA. I would even argue that it's a better base for MMA than Wrestling and BJJ because you learn both upper body take downs and submissions within one art. The takedowns use mostly leverage instead of focusing more on raw stregth and power like in wrestling. Another good thing is that you don't need to change levels to get the take down. Grecco-Roman wrestling has this also, but once they get to the ground they have no submissions. And there are no leg sweeps allowed in GR Wrestling. The best Judo schools for MMA would be the ones that have a formal ranking system, that also teach No Gi Judo and BJJ.
I've seen no-gi bjj, but I've never seen no-gi judo. I wish that it existed.
@Disgruntled Simp Mod Finally someone says it. Judo is trained so explosively. Fast paced explosive techniques with a lot of pressure. Limited time in the ground forcing quick movement to finish your opponent
No gi judo is wrestling or pankration and nothing more
@@l.d.m.33 No Gi Judo is wrestling with more upper body emphasis and trips, that's it. You see a lot of Russian and Eastern wrestling styles have a large amount of upper body attacks, its the Judo heavy influence.
@@l.d.m.33 No Gi Judo does exist. It's a wrestling hybrid. It focuses on No Gi versions of the same throws you learn in Judo with Gi. The Judo schools that usually have this are ones that also teach BJJ . I personally know some schools in my city that offer No Gi Judo / BJJ hybrid classes.
I can’t believe Chael would disrespect the martial art of Judo when without it he wouldn’t have had a career that he’s had. Mitsuyo Maeda -> Helio Gracie -> UFC. He was never a student of the martial arts.
You have to practice GI less Judo to make it translate. I'm not claiming Judo's supremacy, I'm just saying that any grappling art trained with a specific garment has to take that garment off to work in the rule set of MMA. If you know judo and use it in a street fight....with a thick jacket? The world and you will be one.
if you are a ranked judoka you are not allowed to compete in other competition out of the ijf circuit.
Fedor literally never used a double or single leg takedown. Do you know what he used?? Judo!!!
Like chael said in lot of countries judo is a common and respected sport (I'm French and it's true PE classes for kids include judo)
Wich means successful judo players have more exposure and more business opportunities (sponsors etc. I mean out here Teddy Riner is almost in half of the commercials u get to see). Every week (barely exaggerating) judo players get to be talked about on TV. So they don't need to take the risk of a transition into mma in order to live of combat sports.
Does that makes sense? 😅
Another point that must be taken into consideration.
Judo is very popular in Brazil, and the Brazilian Judo Federation always fares reasonably well in the Olympics.
Even though Brazil has a very strong presence in MMA, and has a considerable number of judokas, the art still is underrepresented.
I can think of a few reasons:
1) it's focused on gi fighting
2) it's extremely focused on the Olympics
3) judo culture is extremely stubborn, they don't like cross training and look down on BJJ
Ronda was the most known Judo practitioner. It says a lot when that is your spokesmen and most of those guys don't compete in MMA.
Ronda was more well-known for being a judoka, but Khabib is the best judoka to grace the octagon. His dad was a world-class judoka, Khabib has a black belt in judo, and there is a video where Khabib is arguing that judo is "higher class" than wrestling. Fedor, Werdum, Vitor, and Valentina all have black belts in judo. And all forms of freestyle wrestling incorporate elements of judo. Judo kinda goes under the radar, but it's highly utilized and effective in MMA
@@benlewis5312 I made a very in depth statement to argue and RUclips immediately deleted it for some reason. I won’t type it twice. Cheers and good luck to you 🍻
@@benlewis5312 man i love judo and khabib but khabib did incorporate freestyle wrestling in his game
Without it he wouldnt hve been that effiicient
@@bombastikderteutone6858 of course he did. It would be dump if he didn’t. However saying he isn’t a Judoka therefore is like saying someone isn’t a wrestler anymore in MMA, because he does submissions. Everyone incorporates other Martial Arts when they transition to MMA. Wrestling wouldn’t be efficient too if you wouldn’t incorporate other techniques.
@@benlewis5312 khabib is the best grappler, but not the best judoka. olympic medals mean much more than the black belt. and to talk to other comments... he is a freestyle wrestler at base, but judo is his secret ingredient. just read his bio. He was being trained to be top level wrestler, but when he decided to be a MMArtist instead, his father, one of the most knowledgeable grapplers in russia, made him switch to judo to build a more versatile base.
Judo is the second most practiced sport in the world behind soccer i think.
In 2005 Uncle Chael walked by a sorority house in New Orleans....a levee broke from the flood.
If it wasn't for judo, bjj wouldn't even exist today as we know it.
It owes most of it's techniques to judo.
With the exception of takedown fall on your butt and pull guard. 😅
In the UK you're more likely to find Judo than any traditional wrestling and maybe even more than BJJ in some places. Very strange there isn't more of it represented.
Judokas are very closed minded when it comes to other combat sports.
@@Todo_fighting Judokas want to go into Judo, not MMA, Judo itself is significantly more lucrative than MMA.
@@astrosherlock374 how is more lucrative than mma ?
Fedor was a judo player, internationally ranked. Sambo (first Sport, then Combat) was something he dipped into when judo didn't work out. You can see some of that pedigree even as late as his fight with Frank Mir.
Chael: Why is judo underrepresented?
Audience: What about Ronda Rousey?
Chael: Ok great.
He literally mentioned her as the standout exception.
Where does Karo Parisyan fit into all of this
Bad example, she had no competition back in the day. That's why you'll don't see a judo dude winning anything in lightweight, welterweight or middleweight man divisions.
@@joshuawalker301 why are you pretending like the middleweight division doesn’t suck ass
@@lakehouse1607 because those are the most competitive divisions, that are worth watching, the rest suck ass real bad.
You see Judo techniques a lot more in Women’s MMA than in Men’s MMA. Never grappled so I don’t know why this is, just an observation I’ve noticed
we need no gi judo classes for mma
Lol Chael “Judo sucks! Why is judo unrepresentated?” Sonnen!
I heard him say that
weird that he got counter grappling by a Sambist and Judoka in Fedor, in which he said sambo was fake and judo doesn't work
@@Ry-bo9hi He was just baiting
@@LearnTheLandScandinavia yeah and it worked >:(
The rule change of taking leg grabs away has made it less effective. I think you really need to train both BJJ and judo to compete Gi grappling
Dude, where do you all get this stuff?! Just because certain competitions ban leg grabs, that doesn't mean leg grabs aren't being taught. You all are acting as if leg grabs in Judo don't exist any more. It's all there, just choose a school that'll teach you all of it. Everything that BJJ has came from Judo.
@@the_ag_101 ??? Leg grabs are banned by the IJF. Its a disqualification. If your club teaches leg grabs none of you guys are ever making it to the Olympics or high level international comps.
Sure they exist I guess, if you go to a tradition club somewhere. But Judo as a sport is regulated by the IJF. So in the sport they don't exist
Judo is underrepresented, like where?
Khabib, GSP, Jon Jones, Ronda Rousey ? To name the few?
Khabib used Judo in every fight he took and that was his advantage. Judo is that tiny thing that makes a huge difference on some level of proficiency in MMA.
As in to why Judo isn't represented by Judokas fighting in MMA? Well, Judo is an olympic sport, so people concentrate on that, rather than competing in MMA. BJJ, for that matter, isn't an olympic sport, and more relevant in appliance to MMA than to anything else at all (through Gracie). It is also a Western thing.
It isn't only Judo by the way. How about Muay Thai?
There is zero top Thai fighters that embrace MMA. Does that mean Muay Thai is ineffective in MMA? Nope. Muay Thai practitioners just fight their sport in either their own country and/or they are dedicated to just it, nothing else. Not many Karatekas also embrace MMA. Almost none, apart from Western Karatekas like Lyoto Machida, or Stephen Thompson. Most top tier Judokas or Karatekas, who are Japanese, are really interested in doing the sport they love as homage to their country and Japanese tradition.
On the flipside, there is plenty of Kickboxers that transfer to MMA. It would seem strange at first, given its similarity to Muay Thai, right? Wrong. BJJ and Kickboxing are Western thing, and mentality here is a bit different. At some point the motivation of Kickboxers or BJJ practitioners to move to MMA is simply get rich, grab some money and go home. There is no homage to the sport or tradition.
The closest to top Thai fighters in the MMA are Brazilians, who are some of the best strikers in the whole sport despite training in an academy in the favelas with a religious nut and some scammer as coaches.
Because BJJ stole the spotlight on a bunch of submissions judo had
Everything they do is stolen and repackaged Judo and Catch Wrestling. Gastao Gracie was a carny so its no suprise they used the same tactics
Mitsuo Maeda, Carlos Gracie’s teacher, was a Judoka
Judo came from Japanese ju-justsu just like bjj.
@@ethancntower8850 BJJ is a watered down Judo.
to be fair, BJJ popularized ground game/newaza of Judo
even if the gracies were money hungry eels
besides, the gracies werent even the first guard pullers
Does anyone here know how the kimura got its name? Also has anyone heard of khabib nurmagomedov? Or Ronda Rousey?
Valentina Shevchenko?
@@dimman77i Like chael but this video is horrible to watch, he cleary knows nothing about judo
@@ClovisRoisDesFrancs Uncle Chael is all knowing. He is just testing us.
Lol
It's not about what is the fighter's background, but the application of the art. Ronda usually won by bjj techniques, and Khabib won by wrestling techniques. They usually do not win by judo techniques (although Ronda did have that nice hip throw on davis)
@@anonoumos It's not like if 98% of bjj techniques were actually coming from judo .. dude.
here is your answer on video
khabib : ruclips.net/video/X0liVM3pUEo/видео.html&ab_channel=Chadi
Ronda : ruclips.net/video/g_dV77Dqqlg/видео.html&ab_channel=Chadi
there is more video about it if you want..
(sometimes criticism is easy but acquiring real knowledge is hard and takes times)
and if you don't see judo its just because you don't know judo ..
Karo,manny,Sexyama,ronda were known for judo but we forget about people like Anderson Silva bjj and judo Amanda nunes is bjj black belt and brown belt in judo. There just isn’t a lot of people where judo is their primary art but lots of people train.
Fedor, Aoki, Yoshida, Nastula are judo guys he left out.
Clinching (specifically elbows) and throwing are stupidly underrepresented by UFC competitors, with the exception of several highly-ranked fighters like Jon Jones; who consistently uses both and has clearly been very effective with it. Wrestling moves like takedowns generally require significantly more energy expenditure compared to well executed judo throws, but takedowns also require more head exposure (to potential knock-out strikes) because you drive into their side instead of turning your head away from the opponent when throwing. Elbow striking is neglected because you cannot train it as much - given how dangerous it can be; but that is also exactly why fighters should use them regardless of muscle memory and instinct. Elbows, throws and clinching should be the most typical aspect of these fights, but people have become obsessed with ground-fighting and ‘chess-match’ striking exchanges that mostly become flinch contests between opponents who believe they can read minds. BJJ was a revelation back in the 90’s and people have over-compensated by thinking it has more value than it does. The Gracie family are the only people generating statistics about the effectiveness of BJJ, so you cannot make a fair comparison to Judo or Muay Thai when nobody is actually working to equally represent those martial arts. 70% of fights end on the ground - why though? They could have been thrown - Judo would do that. They could have been knocked out - striking of any kind would do that. They could have been taken down and pinned - wrestling could do that, but that is harder against bigger opponents, and it usually requires more practise to implement. Then you have a 30% likelihood of not fighting on the ground, so BJJ is almost useless in that situation. Judokas and wrestlers spend far more time working on standing techniques. Also, if you get mugged then you want to throw them and run away - not roll on the ground with one mugger so you can find a chokehold while the other mugger is standing over you with a knife. It only makes sense if you work in law enforcement and need to prevent someone from getting away.
It’s nice to see Judo getting the respect it deserves, really took my BJJ to the next level 🙌
Judo has helped a lot in mma.
Here in France, there is a HUGE lobbying from the Judo federation to prevent judokas from competing in MMA (they could even lose their judo license...).
And what beinifit does that have why would they do that
@@robertm7486 probably traditionalists who think mma is a savage sport and the decline of western society
@@meisterproper8304 Yes, probably. MMA (with full Unified Rules) was basically just recently legalized in France.
@@angelsjoker8190 yeah MMA in mainland Europe is still stuck in the 90s
@@meisterproper8304 Particularly France (which is weird as there is quite a big Judo tradition there). In Eastern Europe it's pretty popular. Back when Joanna Jędrzejczyk was champ, you had huge billboard ads everywhere in Poland and you see a lot of ads for KSW.
Judo is represented as the most practiced grappling art in the world. This is evident in the Olympic games. Judo is the forefather of BJJ, sambo and taught catch wrestlers their submissions. Pawla Nastula fought Josh Barnett who lost but he was better than Barnett in takedowns during their fight. Nastula fought an elite fighter with only 3 MMA fights. Chael is a hypocrite knowing that he learned BJJ cause he was getting submitted all the time
What judo taught catch wrestlers their subs 😂😂. Is this a joke😂
@@ron5978 it's a fact catch copied submissions from jujitsu
@@moefinesse9878 what are u talking catch was developed in uk in Lancashire, it has no relation to any Japanese art. In those days Japan was closed of to foreigners. Read history. But sure there could be common submission and styles cause the body mechanics are same everywhere and also there could be some borrowed techniques later on when judo started to spread . But saying all the subs are copied is absolutely ridiculous.
I believe MMA to be the proving ground of martial arts. Survival of the fittest simple as that. If it's not being used it's because it proves to be ineffective. Having said that, I do see a lot of Judo being used inside/outside leg reaps, hip throws, drop knee shoulder throws, not to mention a lot of ground work which is identical/very similar to BJJ stuff. There is a lot of Judo that just isn't very appropriate for MMA (some stuff requires a Gi). Also I would like to add, I think Judo is lethal in the clinch, I wish MMA fighters would use it more.
i sort of agree with your point "if its not beeing used its because its inneffective"
But i also feel if someone wants to start MMA and needs takedowns he turns towards wrestling
It seems to have a higher learning curve and more "straight to it" takedowns.
Judo seems to have a more "feel how your partner moves" attitude
It also seems it would over complicate things to "first" learn Judo in the gi, to THEN relearn your Judo Techniques without the gi to applicate it in UFC
I feel that a real benefit of Judo is , that with the proper technique "some" throws require almost no force or no energy output at all.
Really this is no hocuspocus
I am not nessesary good in Judo but even I have foot sweeped guys bigger than me, with no effort. the less skilled you are the less likely this is going to happen
Many judo techniques assume you have a gi to pull on. It feels like a big barrier when that goes away. Notice that Manny, Karo, Ronda all trained from a young age with Gokor who did a lot of nogi cross training.
Simple answer: You don't wear a gi in MMA. In no gi, wrestling is better for takedowns. Judo throws and takedowns can still work, but they have to be modified with wrestling grips, under-hooks, over-hooks, Russian ties, arm drags, etc. In judo, if you don't have a grip, you can't throw. It's much harder keeping a grip on someone's wrist vs a sleeve. If you added a gi to MMA, it would look similar to kudo and combat sambo. Ground grappling wise, at the highest levels in judo and depending on the player, the newaza is equal to BJJ, if not better.
Is Rhonda the most accomplished judo player in mma?
Kyla Harrison is more accomplished in Judo... but Rhonda is more accomplished in MMA.
I think fedor was a judo player
@@grandmofftaylor for now
@@nicholassantos5119 yes, fedor is master of sport in judo and sambo
Kayla Harrison
In France we don't have judo in school.
on est pas non plus une région des états unis ... lol
We train a lot with our gi, and many of the techniques are based on the use of it. Twisting the gi in a certain way it’s extremely effective while doing a technique and if one athlete is focused just on their judo career, they won’t do much training without gi. At the top of my competitive career, I was training no gi about 15 minutes once every 1/2 week “just to differentiate a little”
Since 2009 we are not even allowed to grab legs anymore in competition (grabbing a leg is immediate DQ)
I still believe that a good judo athlete with dedication would make a good transition to grappling. The principles of balance and use of strength and leverage are common ground in both disciplines.
You cna still grab the leg, just not as an first action, only as a second or third action. So if you go for a hook, it fails, you can then grab their leg
The main thing I think Chael lacks in his analysis is the ability to understand where the techniques he praises come from. BJJ stems from Judo, any submission outside from leg locks is likely to have originated way before BJJ, in Judo. Another example of this is Sambo, the styles are so similar to the point in which the cross train with each other. Lastly Greco-Roman wrestling, this is a style developed by removing the Judo-gi it later became westernized and lost the submission aspect to become what it is today. This are all great styles which have proven themselves on the highest level and to neglect Judo is to neglect them all.
Judo competition don't even allow double leg takedowns...
figure that out.
doesn't*
Or single legs for that matter
True. That's bothered me too but it's like when make ballparks smaller so theres more homeruns or they change defensive pass interference so theres more deep throws. By eliminating a lot if leg stuff that frankly was mostly just taken from wrestling you end up seeing higher concentrations of purely judo type upper throws holds and trips ya know. Doesnt make it as exciting to watch live but the highlight reels I would say are higher quality
It used to, but they wanted to make it more fun to watch and less like wrestling. You can make the argument for sport bjj ruining it as well... lack of takedowns, excessive guard pulling.
every martial art has something "it doesn't allow"
The Bullet's grappling is from Judo Uncle Chael.
Judo is underrepresented in grappling because grappling is racist
Da fuck?
Just look at the colored belts.. Structural racism at its finest!
yeah what the fuck
@@meisterproper8304 It’s a joke.
Took 12mins off from RUclips, chael uploads 7 more vids... still the RUclips upload Undisputed undefeated champ💯💯💯
Judo has traditionally sold itself as "the gentle art of self defense" - a system where you can protect yourself without hurting anyone. That's not going to attract many people who want to cross train in muay thai.
u obviously never trained in judo. there's nothing gentle about it.
@@moefinesse9878 truth be told, the only people I know training judo now are my friend's young daughters. Most of the adults I know who train grappling train BJJ.
It got the olympic treatment. A thorough watering down.
Khabib practices judo and used some of the judo throws in his matches in the UFC though he is does not have any judo belt. His father was a blackbelt and passed the knowledge to Khabib that's why in one video Khabib mentions Judo to be a higher class sport/martial art compared to wresntling
Think the Rulon Gardner v Hidehiko Yoshida Pride fight settled this years ago.
Simple cause wrestling is the best and hardest form of grappling , you have to get a real grip not use some GI that no one would wear outside the gym
There was also that Russian guy, what's his name... was it Fedor or something?
I can't let you get thrown.
Khabib and Islam are judo black belt.
Judo generally isn't as effective as bjj and wrestling in a submission grappling format. The groundwork in bjj is better than in judo and takedowns from wrestling are usually more effective.
why do you think that?
because wrestling has an more agrresive mindset to it? or because you can grab the legs?
@@bombastikderteutone6858 I think it's because many judo takedowns are higher risk and more difficult to pull off. Many judo takedowns expose your back to your opponent and if you fail on an attempt your opponent now has your back in a submission grappling match.
@@blakedove2263 it really depends on the player, some people focus more on ura nage, ouchi gari, osoto gari, kosoto gake etc.. basically any wrestling technique where you don't grab legs.
Don't forget Gene lebell!!!!!
The best EVER...RESPECT CHAEL
Good question.
I believe chael called him a actor not i fighter i could never figure out why?He was a beast.
Judokas :
Khabib Nurmagomedov (UFC)
Ronda Rousey (Strikeforce / UFC)
Yoshihiro Akiyama (K1 / UFC)
Karo Parisyan (UFC / Bellator)
Hidehiko Yoshida (PRIDE / Sengoku)
Valentina Shevchenko (UFC)
Rick Hawn (Bellator)
Kazuhiro Nakamura (PRIDE / DREAM)
Hector Lombard (UFC)
Dong Hyun Kim (UFC)
Shinya Aoki (OneFC / RizinFF)
Fedor Emelianenko (PRIDE / Strikeforce / RizinFF)
Islam Makachev (UFC)
Yoshihiro Akiyama (ONE)
Kayla Harrison (IFC)
Louis smolka (UFC)
Kazuo Misaki (Strikeforce)
Jim Wallhead (BFC)
Fabrício Werdum (UFC)
etc ..
This deserves more likes
@@sankari6114 Judo desserves more recognition in the MMA wolrd.
@@ClovisRoisDesFrancs Yes. Ronda gave it a lot of recogniton tho.
@@sankari6114 Without a doubt. But judo is stil getting trash by a lot of dude on the internet and even in the mma community. I dont really care at the end but it's always cringy
@@ClovisRoisDesFrancs I havent seen it. MMA guys seem to like judo in my experience, atleast Joe Rogan does
I may wrong, but I think is something about how time consuming is the practice of judo and the high rate of spinal injuries that this community are exposed.
There is a huge gap between olympic judo and traditional judo ( which incluse leg lock and à lot more of ground techniques ) olympic judo = no leg grapping and almost no ground combat.
un frère dans cet anglicisme exacerbé !
And about "what art is the best", its obviously BJJ. It was very clear in the begining of MMA, when virtually nobody trained more than one art, BJJ just dominated. Nowadays, if you have no BJJ training, you still gets demolished on the octagon. Of course there are fighters who can fight without it, but they are the exception to the norm.
Do you mean that Bjj better than Judo at Street's Fight or Ufc's Fight ?
I hope after two years of writing this comment that you've discovered sakuraba already. if not then you have homework to do my friend
Most Judo schools practice 70/30, meaning 70 percent on feet and 30 on the ground. For competitions it’s mostly the throw that gets you the win. I’ve found tournaments that do newza ground only but COVID put ahold on that. Judo needs to move to 50/50, I found another school that focuses on ground more so will try to go to both. Having done both I like Judo more.
You are right. I competed in Ne waza competition only in 2020 we don't have it because of covid.
Thanks for all the videos
Would Judo be more realistic than sport Bjj for self defense? Just curious
BJJ and Judo share most of their techniques but they became more focused, BJJ focuses on ground game and Judo focuses of taking your opponent down. BJJ has some limitations on the ground because some things are going to be illegal in the sport. Judo has even more problems where a lot of effective techniques are illegal because it was too similar to wrestling. Best is to train like a lot of grappling artists who learn across wrestling, judo, BJJ, sambo, etc. because at their roots they’re more similar than they are different. Some BJJ people can only work on the ground and in real life don’t know how to get to that position, some Judoka can’t control someone on the ground. Basically you could learn BJJ fully (not in terms of the sport) and you’d automatically be learning judo, wrestling etc
Yes
Both are very useful. BJJ has weak takedowns and judo has weak ground game, so they work really well together. And many techniques rely on grabbling clothes, which is an element of self-defense that's absent from MMA. Combat sambo is slightly more useful than judo because it incorporates judo, wrestling and striking, and is less focused on rules. Combat sambo is Khabib's main martial art. But you probably want to learn some striking (preferably Muay Thai, as you can break your hand in a fight if you box) because grappling is unwise in most self-defense scenarios. While you are beating up one guy on the ground, his friend can just kick you repeatedly in the head
yes, because Judo, on paper is more complete in terms of technique, throws, wrist locks, ground game. however most schools practice on stand up because olympics and in self defense situations, you dont want it to go to the ground unless you want to have a steel toed forehead
one on one, BJJ or only newaza aspect of Judo
self defense, Judo and maybe running
BJJ is Judo newaza allowed to break free of Judo competition rules. Up to the mid 90s, there's nothing BJJ practicioners weren't doing that hasn't been in Kodokan curriculum since the 1920s.
The way I see it, every judoka in the world should be grateful for BJJ keeping newaza alive and well, in spite of IJF and their constant watering down of the the martial art.
*Holly Holms enters the chat*
It’s because Judo has limited itself so much through their ruleset. They’ve manipulated their rules to keep Judo pure, but have only limited growth and innovation.
An example of this would be the banning of the double leg takedown, which is a common move in wrestling. The reason for this was that it was too effective and the Judo competitions stopped using the fancier Judo throws, and opted for the more efficient wrestling moves.
BJJ has a more open ruleset, where almost all grappling moves are allowed (even heel hooks are being legalised in the IBJJF). This makes it more exiting as the competition landscape continually changes as counters and new moves are being created to defeat the old techniques, and only the most effective techniques are able to prevail.
You're not quite right about the reason leg takedowns were removed. It's sort of right, but you're missing the context. The rulesystem at the time had lower scores than the current two (wazari, half score, and ippon, fullscore /win). People were using single legs as a way to throw low risk low reward attacks after getting a small score; if they were making attacks, even non effective ones, the refs couldn't give them penalties for stalling. Even though they were using it to stall. The ground game rules at the time were also much less generous than now (if you look like your going for a submission, you can get 20 or 30 seconds on the ground nowadays). This meant they had no risk for going to ground in a bad position after a single leg attempt.
Add this to the legitimate fear of being cut from the Olympics for not being entertaining, and the leg grab ban (while awful) makes sense. It's NOT a case of "oh the traditional Judo throws just objectively dont work against more wrestling heavy styles, so ban wrestling". It's more nuanced than that.
@@internetenjoyer1044 thanks for clearing that up 👍.
But my point still stands that the tight ruleset has limited growth and innovation in Judo, while BJJ continues to grow and evolve.
BJJ might even develop a better takedown system than both Judo and Wrestling, which may modify the current methods in order to account for submissions, back takes and dominant positions. This would of course take years to develop, but I can still see a clear sign of massive growth for BJJ, whilst not the same for Judo.
IOC forced IJF to ban Judo's leg-grab techniques to differentiate Judo from Wrestling. IJF was worried Judo would be removed from the Olympics.
And no, leg-grab is not "Wrestling move". It was also Judo's move as much as it's Wrestling's until the ban.
Morote-gari(double-legs takedown), Kuchiki-taoshi(single-leg takedown) and Sukui-nage(double-legs throw) etc. They are only allowed in certain situations now.
I have an answer for you. The way judo tournaments are structured is antithetical to producing MMA grapplers. The ruleset banned leg picks of any kind, rewards super weak throws with a win as long as the opponent even gently rolls onto his back. I don't remember how much ground time you get after a failed throw before you get stood up, but it isn't long, It no longer answers the question how do I win a fight? It answers the question, how do I win in this very specific ruleset that has deviated from the art of fighting? pandering to the Olympics fucked judo up. Before someone tells me I don't know what I'm talking about, I myself am a judo blackbelt. I began before the leg pick ban and I still do go to the odd judo class. It's problems are easily remedied and it could be a powerful base, but you need to decide as a judoka if you are going to simulate violence or roll people onto the ground.
a lot of khabibs takedowns are judo takedowns
1:46 never knew France was another part of America but if Uncle Chael says so who am I to argue 🤷🏽♂️
Because the focus of Judo is the Olympics and that focus is watering down alot of the newaza/ground grappling by focusing on big dramatic ippon throws.
We did find the answer bjj won against all martial arts before it got mixed
Rigged
Judo is overall underrepresented in MMA! Wrestling, BJJ, Muay Thai. Judo is among the udnerrepresented styles(and its practitioners).
Greetings from Ukraine )))))
Do you mean that Judo does't work at street fight ? Are bjj and wrestling better than Judo in overall ?
"in other parts of the COUNTRY it's curriculum. In France, in China..." lmao
Doesn't khabib do judo?
Wrestling > Errthang
Are judo throws effective against a good wrestler?
"Judo doesn't work"
Khabib and Fedor would like to speak to you Uncle Chael.
Misleading, Khabib have freestyle as a base, just search his martial history up.
@@memysurname7521 Khabib is a blackbelt in Judo. He even argued with Henry Cejudo that Judo is the superior Olympic sport compared to freestyle.
/watch?v=UOoFeVgx-08
Anyway, Khabib's style is not freestyle, it more based on Sambo than anything. His style is just a mixing of various grappling and wrestling forms.
Seems like you have to catch up on some history friend.
Judo is biggest martial art in the world. It's just not popular in the US like soccer. Rhonda irrefutably proved Judo works putting aside that BJJ works.
Chael is way off on this one... first of all, ranked judokas can´t fight out of the ijf tournaments. And then we are going to say if Judo as a martial art works in a grappling event with rules for submissions, when Judo focuses on throws? That´s like deciding the best fighter between a boxer and a kickboxer, but only allowing fists. Yeah sure, the kickboxer can hang in there, but 90% of the times he´s gonna lose.
Because the IJF doesn't allow it's competitors to participate in other organization's grappling competitions without permission
I started in bjj and have now moved on to practicing judo more
how is it going?:)
do you feel , that you can use your bjj skills in groundfighting in judo or is the time granted just to short?
@@bombastikderteutone6858 that is only in competition, though. in randori groundwork can go for long, as long as you are not in a dead end (wich shouldnt be the goal either). i bet he does really well on ne waza.
The IJF bans people from competing if they do other grappling sports, so that’s a huge part of it. Kodokan may freeze your grade also, plus in the country judo is most popular (France), MMA was illegal until recently.
The gi is a big factor too, and then the modern rule set isn’t conducive to MMA in the way wrestling and sambo is.
Any art where one throw can win the whole match isn’t as suited to mma competition as wrestling and sambo are, because they emphasise control more than judo does.