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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @TashaLux
    @TashaLux День назад +70

    Not to mention golf courses, college campuses yards (not football fields) and hospital grass fields. Those places had super green grass and used water constantly!

  • @TheSleepyKuma
    @TheSleepyKuma День назад +59

    I mean yeah as someone who handmakes plushies if you have a plushie mass produced in a factory there is almost certainly some underpaid person sewing or crocheting something to make it. people should know about it. The average person thinks that so many things are fully automated that simply are not.

    • @TheSleepyKuma
      @TheSleepyKuma День назад +7

      I am very happy that china has increased worker protections over the years, by the way

    • @Lovarez
      @Lovarez День назад

      The reason China, Vietnam, and India produce a lot of stuff is because it is cheap. How can they afford to be cheap? Because weaker currency and quite literally cheap labor. People aren't paid much. China has had major tech advancement, true, but most of china not using cash anymore literally has no weight in this, wtf? China still has problems with their labor and pollution. They're getting better, fortunately. China also has manufactures outside of the country and recruits locals who are paid even less. People literally die. Xenophobia is bad, but doesn't mean the things that people are criticizing suddenly don't exist. How is it always black and white with these people?
      If you have a small business and can't afford to go the sustainable way, that's okay. You literally can't afford it. Should you at least research your manufacture and choose the better one that's still within your budget? Sure, that's great, you're doing your part. You don't need to go a few steps further and defend literal companies. Humans still work in those companies and a lot of them are still severely underpaid. Why are we even doing this.

  • @nitemoth
    @nitemoth День назад +31

    I'm a small business owner & while I do prioritize sustainability & ethics in my sourcing, there's too many places within the chain where absolutely deplorable things could be happening. I personally take on the responsibility of thinking hard about all this shit behind the scenes so you as a purchaser don't have to feel guilt tripped over buying yourself a little gift. It's important to talk about & take these topics into consideration as a consumer, or as a business owner... BUT It's more important that we vote & lead movements accordingly to make the real changes within the industries themselves.

    • @nitemoth
      @nitemoth День назад +2

      ^ Posted that at 13 minutes in before you started talking MOQ I literally spent 8 months searching for the ideal skincare & candle containers, went to place an order & discovered they lied on the listing & I'd need to order 5,000 jars. 😭

  • @lissipissi
    @lissipissi День назад +35

    i actually think alot of countries dont want to fully digitalize money like china and keep cash because there are alot of people who genuinly dont want to change since its possibly a huge privacy issue and super hard to get the older demographic to switch to pay with their phones (since they might not even own modern ones lol)

    • @ayajade6683
      @ayajade6683 День назад

      It's a massive safety risk given cyber attacks are on the rise. Not to mention it's hard to not see exactly how a lunatic or wannabe dictator getting in power would be able to abuse an all digital currency especially against those outspoken against their regime.

    • @AGK1999FE
      @AGK1999FE 21 час назад +4

      Yeah, as a European I don't trust it fully. Also, it's good to always have a bit physical money with you, because there has been multiple times where cards/banks/card readers just stop working for that hour or day, and that has saved me the embarrassment and I got my stuff

  • @sheebiedeebie
    @sheebiedeebie День назад +32

    LoppyRae’s whole thread is “misguided.” I agree that there is a massive issue around Sinophobia and western elitism. However. I don’t think it’s sinophobic to say “hey maybe be considerate of the Chinese workers you’re making produce your yaoi charms, and look into how their company is treating them before choosing to work with them.” That wasn’t them saying “the company you’re working with DEFINITELY treats its workers like crap,” it was a “you should look into it so you can make sure you aren’t supporting horrible companies.” OP’s thread was NOT about whether or not the products being made by Chinese manufacturers are good or not. It was about the working conditions. Imo Loppy’s thread reeks of “don’t threaten my bottom line 😡”
    Also, I just think Loppy read way too much into the og post. Like now you’re comparing “hey try to consume ethically” to MAGA???? In what way???

    • @sheebiedeebie
      @sheebiedeebie День назад +11

      Also I think it sooooo self soothing to be like “well there are bigger companies doing worse!” “Well it’s too hard and expensive to produce my merch on my own, so what choice do I have but to work with a company that might have bad labor practices 👉👈🥺” Like. Be fr. All op did was ask you to look into who you work with, and to be mindful of your environmental impact. You are telling on yourself when you blow up at something that basic. If you can’t choose a more sustainable option, that’s fine, but you should be self aware about your environmental impact.

    • @Sheyiscool2
      @Sheyiscool2 День назад +4

      I agree I don’t really see anything wrong with the original thread and was just a little confused about the ai part because I kinda spaced out but that’s probably just me 😭🙏 it was just a reminder to check who you work with then loppy came out with like two essays about it and Immediately was like “oh they are talking about Chinese factories” like um they didn’t say they where?? 😭 for all we know it could have been there own experience with a place they worked with in the past.

  • @SalviAlmighty
    @SalviAlmighty День назад +32

    I never understand the "but bigger companies do it and it's worse" argument..
    Of course the bulk of the issue isn't on individuals, but we can also try to do our part to lessen the load?
    I do 100% understand that as small businesses and artists we don't always have the money to take the fully ethical green route, but also we could start smaller, look into alternatives, try to do some of the work in-house. Have a pattern developed and then hire seamstresses to make your plushies. Is it more expensive? Yes. But personally I think it adds so much value to your items!
    You have an actual handmade unique product instead of one of the thousands of identical plushies mass-produced by the exact same manufacturer.

    • @boots1622fan
      @boots1622fan День назад +2

      literally like how do people forget that consumer demand means something and when consumers demand ethical products, companies will change. does it result in a lot of greenwashing? yeah but. at least its a start.

    • @AGK1999FE
      @AGK1999FE 21 час назад

      I agree it's "in the small things" and we should try to be more sustainable, but us normal folk doing that just ain't enough. It's too idealistic.

  • @Babybearcroche
    @Babybearcroche День назад +39

    Nah, the "big companies are doing it so why can't I do it too?" Argument will never be valid to me. Also something else that brothers me with small business is when they use so many unnecessary plastic, you do not need to put your thing in a plastic bag inside a poly mailer filled with junk that people will throw out

  • @akabaneaki
    @akabaneaki День назад +3

    It's my job to get the green label approval for a company if they require one and i have worked with alot of people that has china factories.
    IT IS SUUUUUPER strict to adhere to the protocol so yes i agree that china is one of the countries thats trying their very best to stay as green as possible already.

  • @blue_rosa_art
    @blue_rosa_art 21 час назад +1

    As a small business artist with now chronic health issues I think about this a lot, to the point that lately I've been considering whether to change or be more mindful of some of the products that I do (acrylic keychains) to maybe something like recycled wood ones so that I'm not contributing to the crazy amount of plastic in this world. Even my packaging I have tried my best to switch over to entirely eco-friendly stuff, e.g. tissue paper for wrapping, honey-comb paper mailers, cardboard rigid mailers, kraft tape, tape made out of bio-degradable materials, uncoated stickers (yes even stickers can have a layer of plastic over them), all of it in an effort to still make it 'pretty' but if it gets thrown out rather than recycled at least it will bio-degrade instead of sitting in landfill as micro-plastics for the next 100 years.
    But also, the other problem is, just, some products can't be eco-friendly and I don't want to limit myself, some ideas just can't be implemented on eco-friendly items, in this world of over-consumption and novelty items telling small business owners to think about it is also silly when you got big companies like clothing brands that send their clothing in individual plastic packaging to every. single. retail chain. Like, maybe don't start with just the little guys, we should be tackling both sides (big companies and small) then, not just telling the little guys to be more careful.
    Also, I worked with Chinese print factories when I was a senior designer for a greeting card & gift company, and our bosses got the chance to tour the facility multiple times with our middle-man who was a Chinese resident speaking english & the native languages of Cantonese & mandarin, and see what it was like behind the scenes, and there was no sweat shops, and in fact the printing companies over there were some of the first to offer eco-friendly printing, paper and other options first AND still at a cheaper rate than in our local country. Yes, there are still some sus places (looking at the fashion industry) but as you stated Kat, a lot of them are really strict and clean about their workers and the processes they do.

  • @spooky-30000
    @spooky-30000 21 час назад +2

    I hate sinophobia but ngl I think there is fundamentally something wrong with a country if they as a society do not universally accept the physical cash of their own currency. And that is true of other countries too, I see restaurants in Europe who require a phone to scan a QR code and pay at table and for homeless people who cannot have a bank account without an active address this is exclusionary and further criminalizes poverty if you can beg for change but cannot spend it.

  • @tarinvernon7007
    @tarinvernon7007 День назад +27

    I agree that its good to think about the enviroment. But comparing it to AI feels to me like "whataboutism". When we are talking about one subject and someone goes "well whatabout this other subject. It moves the direction of the conversation from the main point. Yes this stuff has a place and time but if we are talking about AI it is an already complicated subject on its own and doesnt need more distractions. And I am NOT SAYING enviromental and fair labour are distractions on their own! They are important but stick to a subject. Many companies love when the people againts them fight amongthemselves and I feel like this could be something a company says to an artists "Well AI might be bad but have you considered how much energy your computer needs for you to work on our projects? have you considered that maybe we are actually saving the enviroment from the energy you MIGHT have consumed if you worked for us? You get what Im saying? People are easily distracted by sideway subjects.

    • @tarotsushima3332
      @tarotsushima3332 День назад +6

      Yeah like there is a point to be made about being conscientious about where your products are made, conditions they're made etc but comparing it to generative AI just to link it to the 'Worst Current Buzzword' just takes it right to fearmongering imo. Glad someone who's actually intimately handled that sector gave a more in depth perspective and showed the pitfalls an otherwise well meaning idea can have.

    • @sunla
      @sunla День назад +5

      I don't think they're comparing it. They play into each other. Hypercapitalizing on AI slop is a part of the problem, I believe that was the message

  • @abinnohr6497
    @abinnohr6497 День назад +2

    Edit: they were mentioned right after I posted. Good to hear there have been improvements!
    This may be an incredibly naive question but
    Those "sweatshops" are filled with people just trying to financially survive right?
    Underpaying isn't good but we never think about WHY those people work for them?
    I never hear that discussion just "don't buy"

  • @fightingfishes007
    @fightingfishes007 9 часов назад

    Im halfway through and I really appreciate the points in this video. I grew up in a part of midwest central America where Diveristy isn't really a thing. (I should mention I am whiter than Wonderbread.) Thank goodness for traveiling when I was younger and the internet taking form when I was growing up because I fear that I would not have grown up as tolerant or open minded.
    But even so, it has been a long time trying to deprogram my brain from not only internalized misogyny but also stereotypes that ran so deep in the media, lessons, and place I grew up. I still catch myself realizing I am falling for xenophobic thoughts I never took the time to second guess and you bringing attention to the deep rooted xenophobia and racism this country has towards China in general is so important. If I needed that check, others did too.
    Progress is important and human and thank you for making this video. I can't imagine the pain you have gone through as a Chinese American yourself and I hope the rest of the video shows people fighting against it. Innocent people regardless of origin or race don't need hate they don't deserve. I love your content so much 💕

  • @froggyringu
    @froggyringu День назад +22

    10:35 ….wait. This is not how it is in the US? Wow. The US is so behind. We haven’t used cash for like… maybe 15 years in my country. And we pay each other with our phones and that’s also been that way for like 12-13 years. ^^;;

    • @Ariento
      @Ariento День назад

      @@froggyringu Most people use credit cards for in-store purchases, cash is definitely less common outside of cash-only businesses (yes we have those). CashApp is used between individuals but I don't really see it used for purchasing from a business.

    • @sevynsspace
      @sevynsspace День назад +9

      it’s becoming more and more common to use apple pay or cash app but it’s definitely not as common as people think😭 a lot of gen z and millennials use it but many still carry cash because some places don’t accept mobile pay.

    • @froggyringu
      @froggyringu День назад

      @ wow…the largest banks in my country worked together and gave out an app (it’s named “Swish”…it’s the sound it makes when the money is sent and the notification in the receivers phone make a coin clinking sound) in like 2011-2012ish which let people send money to each others bank accounts right away through their phones no matter which bank you used. …the banks had like internet services (and regular phone services) before the 2000s and they had their own apps in like 2010….of course stores and and companies started letting people pay with that app right away as well.

    • @ayajade6683
      @ayajade6683 День назад

      Because of the risk of cyber attacks and the fact it's a huge concern for data breaches and it being used as a tool by a wannabe dictator to control those against them.

    • @The_Summoning
      @The_Summoning День назад +9

      A lot of it has to do with older generations. I work in retail, and meet a lot of elderly people who think it's less safe to use your phone. They think their wallet or pockets keep their tap-able cards safe from theft. And they don't trust technology most of the time. Also a lot of companies are ran by older people who are cautious about using their phones.
      Though I prefer having both options rather than JUST phones. Emergencies happen, many areas have no connection, including my workplace lol most people who use their phones have to tap a couple times. I also fear my phone being dead in an emergency.

  • @Tokyonjii
    @Tokyonjii 20 часов назад

    Katliente, you are really have been my only source of VTuber news. I found your channel after searching up something about vtubing and I’m so glad I did, I hope you get a vtuber model soon!!!!!

  • @winnerjoin
    @winnerjoin День назад +16

    I haven't been this early since the Dishonored 2 pre-release.

  • @Ariento
    @Ariento День назад +31

    There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Small creators getting 3rd parties to make their merch are small fry compared to any big company.

    • @simonebernacchia5724
      @simonebernacchia5724 День назад +2

      Making a living takes number one: if you want less footprint then change society as a whole first - wqith less need to make a living, THEN you can talk about it

    • @sheebiedeebie
      @sheebiedeebie День назад +10

      True, but like Kat said, I think we can still be mindful and try to reduce our own waste as much as possible, even if we aren’t all big corporations. “Being the lesser problem” is still “being a problem”

    • @AGK1999FE
      @AGK1999FE 20 часов назад +2

      Very accurate, but I still advocate people to not overconsume. Be more mindful; are you actually gonna use it or love it, and keep it it for a long time or nah. And definitely never look at influencers for example showing products to you, they are insanely overconsuming. It feels like one influencer's consumption is like 10 normal people's consumption. Be cautious and don't fall for those ads/sponsors/giveaways, always think it through first

  • @AuroraPaintBrush4444
    @AuroraPaintBrush4444 14 часов назад

    I remember, "if its yellow, let it mellow, if its brown, flush it down..."

  • @Elizondo_art
    @Elizondo_art 17 часов назад

    35 acrylic charms per artist tho. And there are thousands of artists getting them done!
    I have my own reasons as to why I prefer companies inside the US.
    But I’m also in the mindset of buying and supporting local.

  • @EmuOtori-WONDERHIY
    @EmuOtori-WONDERHIY День назад +1

    You know it's good when im watching this on the bus

  • @British_Rogue
    @British_Rogue 19 часов назад

    15:52 I'm just going to point out one thing: Smog. People have to wear face masks in China just to have safely breathable air. Especially in the Northern Cities.

  • @boots1622fan
    @boots1622fan День назад +6

    im sorry but 'corporations are worse' should never be an excuse for you to not try to live your values. there's not ethical consumption under capitalism but there's still things that you can do to at the very least inspire change. if you want to buy overseas, that's fine, and there's lots of companies overseas that are ethical! but you should, you know. make an effort to find them. i think that is all this person was asking.

  • @silentwolf8493
    @silentwolf8493 День назад

    About technology: same with Kazakhstan and Russia, almost nobody uses cash, you pay either with a QR code or transfer money to a person via your banking app. And the transfer takes a few seconds. In Kazakhstan you also don't need to wait to get your debit card, it is printed in a cardomat (?) and you don't even need an assistant to do that.

  • @ypotryll
    @ypotryll 11 часов назад

    I wonder how much greenwashing as a whole, but also the "do your part" fake recycling crap in the US alone, has contributed to the discourse/infighting surrounding this like you mentioned, instead of actionable change on an impactful scale.

  • @HopperYTRealChannel
    @HopperYTRealChannel День назад +1

    How have I never heard of this before All i hear is about tofu construction?!

  • @Sweet_Tooth_Art
    @Sweet_Tooth_Art День назад

    Its like people stopping using plastic straws hasn't made the trash island in the ocean any smaller. Yes artists should do there best to only use ethical manufactures but i think this is a bit of a case of blaming small business that might not have alot of knowledge or contentions rather then looking at the issues that force people to work im such conditions. Also even if every artist and small business stopped using one spasific manufacturer that probably wouldn't affect them when big businesses are still there main client. Tldr sweat shops are bad but its a bigger issue then what can be changed by normal people.

  • @SpaceMomo-h5i
    @SpaceMomo-h5i День назад

    16:43 India has the largest population and it's been a while since still, your point stands

  • @DTLamia
    @DTLamia День назад

    Imo you don't get to pick and choose to not be environmentally friendly if it inconveniences you, especially when you police other people

  • @VenomousScales
    @VenomousScales 21 час назад

    Please do more AI Art! Love the good work❤❤😊😊😊

  • @RandomJulia24
    @RandomJulia24 День назад +2

    Wait!? Are the things I hear about sweat shops not true? This is the first time I heard that these things could be zeenaphobic. I genuinely thought people were worried about people getting paid unlivable wages. But I would love to hear about this from the Chinese perspective.
    Edit: Also I've never heard of there being sweat shops here. Why isn't anyone talking about it?

  • @kai_nou
    @kai_nou 14 часов назад

    Not what Xenophobia means btw 8:27

  • @Shireru553
    @Shireru553 День назад +1

    Yay a new video 🎊

  • @SugarPawsVR
    @SugarPawsVR День назад

    I think you hit this one on the head 🎉

  • @Inksploded
    @Inksploded 12 часов назад

    Im sorry but china needs to stop their insane polition rightfully earned tittle for them tbh

  • @ChantalEddy
    @ChantalEddy День назад +1

    Ohhhh lets goooo🎉🎉

  • @LaNoir.
    @LaNoir. День назад +1

    I personally loooooove that this person brought up AI in the debate. Because if you looked around the internet these days, you will quickly see that products with AI prints _absolutely no one will want to buy because they look like a pile of shit_ have skyrocketed - AI has made a *huge* impact on ressource waste and the throwaway industry.
    Little silly artist plastic trinkets on the other hand were made with very much consideration of design and quantity and will surely find their buyers to not go to waste.

  • @franzgriffle6063
    @franzgriffle6063 День назад

    More like this please

  • @2008dsi_inblue
    @2008dsi_inblue День назад +9

    idk i just wish artists would actually make plushies themselves instead of manufacturing them

    • @savannah5261
      @savannah5261 День назад +8

      But the question is: Would you buy 100-200$ plushes regularly?
      The trick of manufacturing plushes is that it lowers the price so it's more likely to be purchased at large. I say this as someone who is a handmade plushmaker and has worked in a sewing manufacturing sweat shop
      Some people complain enough when a manufactured plush is 60$, people are much less likely to buy multi hundred dollar plushes from someone trying to get started up

    • @2008dsi_inblue
      @2008dsi_inblue День назад +3

      @
      i think its fine if big companies do it which lowers the cost, but for smaller artists hand making plushies seems more suited. and not all hand made plushes come out at 100 dollars in the beginning either, i started off selling 50$ premade plushies then worked my way to 100 then commissions
      and, to the question im not sure what youre trying to entail, like i expect to spend that much money when buying from a small artist but i dont buy plushies regularly from smaller artists.. and if i do its merch from big companies who manufacture their stuff

    • @sebesBLADE
      @sebesBLADE День назад

      @@2008dsi_inblue Thanks for literally proving their point

    • @Sweet_Tooth_Art
      @Sweet_Tooth_Art День назад

      I have friends that make hand made plushies and i worked as an individual sewing machinest for 5-6 years. Depending on size and design they can be up to $1000. Its also extremely hard on the person making thems hands. Its less strenuous if you have multiple people but then you need multiple machines and the space for the work to happen. I think people should be payed and treated well and sweat shops are definitely bad, but expecting a single artist to mass produce plushies is unrealistic.

    • @2008dsi_inblue
      @2008dsi_inblue День назад +1

      @@Sweet_Tooth_Art im not saying this ?? im not expecting a single artist to make hundreds of plushies i dont think you guys get what im trying to say. i just want more artists to actually make plushies instead of manufacture them in a love for the craft sort of way and because i see a lot of people who manufacture plushies go to unethical sources. like, if you have a cute idea for a character you like as a plush id rather see you make it yourself

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    Yas I'm the 235th person 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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    Yay I’m here early :3

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    @m0thsh0p День назад +1

    First 30 secs

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