Are ALL Gacha Games “BAD Games?” | HexJuice Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- In short, yeah! Most gacha games are not good games overall. But they're still fun! Wuthering Waves, Zenless Zone Zero, and yeah... Even Genshin... Have their own charm.
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"writing doesn't require as much effort" and "a lot of people can tell a good story" is a slippery, slippery slope.
Especially with the amount of sh!t writing in most shows nowadays.
@@starstruck8862 "nowadays" if you take a step back you will understand "nowadays" just exists because people already filtered out the tons and tons of garbage from "the good old days" and all that is mostly remembered is the best and worst of the time. Not the tons and tons of mediocre and bad things.
what really hurts is that gacha in general can never be good because the concept is to make the game worse to sell you stuff, BUT games like WuWa and also Genshin at its beginning have actually great gameplay in them - like a world like zelda, paired with cool combat ideas (even genshins elemental idea and the interaction with the overworld is better than 90% of other games on the market) - cool graphics, super diverse cast and playstyles. Like the games itself have soooooooo many good elements. Wuwas combat is the most fun i had since sekiro and monster hunter with a combat system . Like these devs know what they are doing. and then they stuff this great game behind energy systems and gated progression. If this would be more like warframe or Path of exile but still with that quality they would get EVEN more reputation in the west.
On the other hand these games bring the necessary revenue to have such quality games BECAUSE they monetize so predatory and other companies struggle exactly because of this. a 60 dollar box title cannot pay usually for a service game with this quality. So sometimes it looks like a necessary evil.
HEX!! hear me out... you REEEEEALLY need to talk about how SOME gacha games handle male characters compared to female characters...
and how some gacha games do better equal treatment of male characters and female characters...
Thing about gachas is that they're built around the premise of intermittently stopping the player from having fun. And the solution they offer to get over this hurdle they create is either excruciatingly inconvenient or to just pull out your wallet. By default, gachas can never be 'great'. They can be 'good' but never 'great' because of this self-sabotage. IMO every gacha should at best reach a 7/10 review score.
your logic is not quite right
Your this rating is as a gacha game or games in general? It makes sense if its the latter.
I think most of people did not try enough amount of gacha games to understand that, there are gacha games, which you can 100% say the game play is, player spending money. Yes, there are games, the way to play is spending money, if you do not want to, then you can just watch, sometimes you may click something, then back to watch the game goes on with or without you...That's how far we have went. I'd say too far....
32:48 just a small criticism. I think for reaction videos and specially from other CCs who undoubtedly spent a lot of effort researching, scripting, and editing, watching the entire thing is a must. I even notice that Asmon is not skipping ads on the videos he reacts to because even he knows that what he's doing is easy af.
No offense, but it rubs me the wrong way when I see CCs react to a video made with apparent effort and skips some part of it. Primarily because I think reaction videos are literally the easiest content to do. Even easier than archiving content or collecting funny videos. So the least reactors could do is actually react to the entirety of the video and then credit it.
As for him not getting to the point. What he did is the usual essay format. Introduction, demonstration, then conclusion.
If he didn't mention these games and specifically mentioned what makes them good or bad, then the audience would just get confused because they don't know where the conclusion is coming from.
I hope you don't take this as an ad hominem.
This is a fair criticism! I mostly did this because I felt I couldn't add anything of substance, and I was concerned about actually being transformative because I hate the idea of being a "oh yeah uhhuh" reactor for half of a video.
I will take this into account though! Is my reasoning good? IDK. At the time, it felt like being respectful bc I don't wanna just steal content. But I see this perspective as well.
@@hexjuice You already pretty much doubled the length of the original video so i think your good as far as adding to it. And also in the end you skipped 2 mins roughly of a 27 min video so i dont think it was all that necessary to skip. In anycase fun video, I hadn't even seen Limbus and PGR so it also kinda acted as a quick glimpse at some other games i hadn't really looked at (Like Limbus's art was great, love them spooks).
ircc, the devs of limbus company admitted that they made limbus company just so they can fund their other game projects. It's not their main game.
I still like pgr after 6 months playing it, the story of the first 8 chapters is quite boring but it gets better after those chapters, the characters gameplay is awesome, also the gacha rates, you can guarentee a new character with 60 pulls and their signature weapon with 30 pulls
3 months for me. Picked it up just a bit before WuWa because I could not wait for WuWa anymore and the game's music, story and characters blew my mind at how good they are. Still honeymooning the hell out of it.
Not only bad it's dangerous. Bear with me, where i'm from the minimum Gambling age is 18 years old, across the whole Europen union actually, and it's a law made for a good reason. They won't even let you in if you're not an adult. So how is kids playing gacha online is okay? These companies like Hoyoverse for example, are clever disguising all of this under cute and pretty anime characters but it's still gambling. So the word "bad" in my opinion is an understatement.
Limbus company is amazing
Ah yes, Limbus was mentioned, and therefore it's time for the Agents to assemble.
Looking forward to see if we can take this comment section over, like we did with many others.
I know you don’t know Limbus, but let me tell you it has one of the best stories in Gacha. On top of the fact that the Gacha system (for the most part) can be bypass through in game materials that are easy to farm. Plus, Project Moon is extremely generous and transparent about everything and are striving to get content out in a timely manner. The GOAT of Gachas
I'm pretty much done playing gachas without a good story. Yes, it can have other good stuff, but there's nothing quite like a good story or music.
The art style is really interesting, I’m considering it
@@hexjuice That’s all I can ask for. The Project Moon sleeper agents will tune in
Everyone that plays these games will always have to spend an excess amount of money. You are granted a calculated mass of resources at the start, which are quickly drained through player-unfriendly, rng upgrade-systems.
There are a finite amount of resources in the world, granting the illusion that you can progress through merit alone.
The time-gated systems will always leave you feeling unfulfilled, until you win your next big gamble, overwriting your previous pain to continue the cycle.
Tower of adversity in wuwa, is among the greatest culprits, as it’s designed to force you to blow your resources on “teams” in which you will certainly make mistakes with resource allocation, by design.
If you make any mistakes with your time-gated resources in these games (leveling your characters for fun), you doom your account, as you can only wait to replenish them in small amounts. That is the major difference between these and other games.
arknights world building is peak gacha story. i don’t even like gacha stories really, but arknights is different. they release so many animation videos, one for each new event. you should definitely check them out.!
I love how Hex genuinely has to say she's joking every time she makes a joke because of all the poopoo brains, not taking any chances anymore
Makes the jokes funnier imo
ITS BECAUSE THEY CANT TELL THAT IM BEING SARCASTIC
Make a joke with obvious sarcastic tone and then I will know its a joke.
IMO the gatcha system ruins the story a lot too. If they don't use the "multiple battlesuits per character reflecting their growth" model you end up with tons of character that have no chance to get a proper story arc. Most of them are one-dimensional that just 'exist' and do a thing or two for the plot. To sell them more they also need to be perfect and "the best at their job". It's almost ridiculous how they make all the story or event dialogues praise them.
If there is a new chapter it has to be focused on the new character (or the new battlesuit of an old character, which means development so that's cool)
ok I am only talking about hoyo games..
Gachas aren't bad, they just provide something different than traditional games. People that say they're bad are just using the "traditional game rating scale." How many traditional games can provide thousands of hours of fun gameplay? If you started Genshin in year 2 or 3 and only played a few hours a week, you probably wouldn't even notice it was a gacha game outside of the wishing mechanic in the game. There is so much content that it would probably take you longer to beat it than something like Elden Ring.
People used to pay $60 for a 40-hour playthrough and would still call that game legitimately great, is it so hard to imagine there are players that would rather play the first 30 hours on release and then 20 hours a month forever because they really like the game? Not to mention, people always over-criticize the pressure of spending in gacha games. Such a vast majority of the audience is perfectly content with spending $0-5 a month and still absolutely enjoying the game.
Tsunul's gacha videos are pretty good.
My thoughts about gacha vs regular games before watching the rest of the video is that gacha give bite sized gameplay on the regular and will have constant updates and new content. Meanwhile most live service games I can think of off the top of my head are shooters and stuff without any real story or character focused content. I'm willing to bet there's SOMETHING out there, but... whatever. Obviously if I want some more complex gameplay I have my steam library.
And... yes... I'll admit... getting an early drop or winning a 50/50 is a thrill. Getting a new, premium toy to play with is fun. And yes, I am aware that it's all quite predatory, but I've honed my self-control over the years to keep it from hurting me too bad.
Also, hearing other people say "Inazuma wasn't that good" is so validating. I hated that by the end. It had a few good moments, the region itself was fine, but the main story was... ugh.
The one thing that I think is kinda unique to gacha is how people get attached to a character because "oh, I have this character instead of this other character because I got lucky with them." On the one hand, it sucks that some players just won't have all the characters because they can't afford them, on the other it's fun to compare and contrast how people got through parts of the game with their unique rosters. That said, with appropriate balancing, this would naturally happen anyway so long as enough viable team comps existed, it just wouldn't be forced by pay walls and limited banners.
2:45 any game/ anime with femboys is peak perfection. AM I WRONG?!
I find it funny throughout the video even when talking about other gachas he's still using arknights music.
And when he's glazing arknights doesn't even mention the music which is what everyone glazes it for
@alphasev I know right?! There's a reason they call hypergryph a music company making a game. There's something for everyone
ShindoL our sensei. The greatest teacher of life.
Hex, you are right that the most impacted by gacha is combat. But PGR exists for a reason to bring suffering. You can try PGR and if you will stick to it long enough to reach mid/endgame, I guess you will add whole game next to Hologram as good combat part.
Or you can start PGR, go to memory rescue missions as an early game player and take a challenge that broke quite a lot streamers like Mtashed :D It never gets old to see how new players try to clear it.
By the way there is such an old game as Girls Frontline which is free and stripped of gacha gacha game, but the futher you go, then more its combat goes from "auto clear" to the sweatest microcontrol ever, expacialy in ranking :D
Hot take: There are so many bad games out there, that are just boring or unappealing to a load of people. That includes gacha, AAA, and indie games as well. So if I do enjoy a gacha game, having legitimate fun with it, then I'll call it a good game. I'll say it has a right to be justly regarded and rated as a nongacha game. Most people have a problem with its monetary systems, but not the games themselves. Because right now, Gacha is evolving at a rapid pace, even to AAA levels.
@@JustCommonPlain I think that's pretty fair. Main reason I don't like gacha is cus most of the games don't appeal to me. And if they do, then I look if they have decent enough dev and player communication. So basically only wuwa ATM.
Gacha games are not defined by an artistic direction, only by a specific monetary structure. This makes the genre attractive to money hungry devs and companies. In short, good quality is not a hardline requirement for this game genre.
I look at gacha games similarly to how I look at MMOs. At their core, a lot of these games suck. If you removed the monetization and live service aspects, what's left isn't great compared to normal games. But these games tend to offer something that "good games" don't, be it their endless nature in both cases, gamba simulator in gacha, or social aspects in MMO.
I often find that Genshin lost me right after inazuma after I realized that as of then I spent 100$ on three different banners amongst a list of reasons.
Fate I spent nearly 500$ trying to get a character and still never got her.
Gatcha games have their positives and negatives.
WuWa I’ve spent about 100 dollars and only have missed out on a singular character.
I recently got back into Nikke I know I’ll probably suffer gatcha hell, but the positives of the game outweigh the negatives for me by miles.
Ooo Ooo, gonna answer this one before watching: Yes, yes they are. Objectively. That isn't to say you can't have fun with them - I watch some horrible movies, objectively just the worst, awful movies, and have fun doing so. (Kung Pow: enter the fist is a cinematic masterpiece of crap to name one at least) - same goes for gacha games. I play three of them, but I am not pretending that HSR, WuWa, or ZZZ are anything but bottom-scraping in terms of story and gameplay. But I still log in and keep up with them because I like pretty pictures and mindless chores I can do each day as a routine :) (and now let's finish watching)
I agree with almost everything he said about Arknights, with the caveat that the storytelling can get very yappy sometimes, with lots of pointless dialogue between unimportant NPCs for no reason at all. It's like reading the unabridged version of Count of Monte Cristo... Like it's good, but... What he didn't mention though, is that it's THE MOST f2p gacha game EVER. Not only from the viewpoint of being able to clear all content with lower rarity operators, but also from how generous the rates on banners are.
The thing is that the point he’s getting at doesn’t really gain anything from talking about how f2p a game is.
The overall point he’s getting at is you have all these elements placed into your game and what about these games makes them special and why they work while other gachas fail in this regard
21:54 even hsr, where the plot isn't as great as in HI3, still has more character building than genshin
Play normal jrpg, open chest can get meaningful gear, spells etc. play gacha open chest get 5 primos instead. This is why gacha exploration does not feel rewarding and feels like a chore instead.
If they are free to play then you get what you pay for. Nothing. So what happens is that people see a free to play game and say holy crap look at this quality. Then they stay and invest in that sweet little first few hours and it gets them hooked. Then they gotta come back every patch and get fomo to pay for new characters.
Fortnite is free to play, League of Legends is f2p, CS2 is f2p, Valorant is f2p, just because it's f2p doesn't automatically means it have nothing
i would prefer genshin to be 20 dollar each region, would be much more fun and I could actually play all characters and no more dailys
i dont necessarily hate genshin, and that is where i met my girlfriend but im not an abusive relationship enjoyer, and now i really prefer wuwa and kuro over genshin, what i hate is their management and hoyo itself, and how scummy it became.
"Regular" games are better than gatcha games for me. I have a habit eventually dropping a gatcha to play a regular game (when there is one I want to play).
I quit playing a lot of other games to play gacha games. It’s started off with genshin, which I played daily for 2 years. I moved to wuwa cuz it’s better. Open world gacha games just have a lot of things I like in games all in one. Not to say they don’t have problems, but I think the constant new content with the mechanics is overall more enjoyable than non-gacha. I will still play non-gacha occasionally tho.
Scaramussy is Crazyyyy
Well when I think of a regular objectively fantastic game like the souls borne games and Assassin's Creed 2 um yeah gacha games are awful
Hex exposed for not playing gachas despite being a gacha tuber
do i gotta play every single one to be valid?? LOL
If i can get a dollar for every gacha cc's youtube channel's content being everything but gacha game(s)... id be rich
Then again gacha games always leave you blue balled because there isnt enough content. Especially for gacha ccs since its their livelihood.
The whole video is about gacha games what r u yappin about lol
6:32 Arknights > Bloons TD
If you like tower defense games you should try arknights i love that it requires brain juice lol
how are holograms an exception can't you oneshot them with a whaled jinhsi?
pretty sure I saw 0 second clears
Guardian Tales, try it
Mind will be BLOWN
@@mrrabbit1915 sighhhhhh, no need to warn them
Let them taste the sugar of story firsst
@@YunaLiv OK! Try it yourself. 😅
@@mrrabbit1915 1300+ days, you want me to try more?
the metamorphosis noo 💀
Brown dust 2 is amazing
10 seconds in and we glazing the video already😂
Dehya is still trash, fun gameplay but low damage.
Subscribe done becoz of your laugh I wanna hear all the time😂
hey, Yugioh is a gacha game...and Fifa is also a gacha game...
especially card games where one of the first to establish "loot boxes" and "pay to win" i think the whole concept comes from panini stickers and sports cards but trading card games where the first that let the collectible aspect into gaming and then it only took its time to get video game devs wondering how to implement that never ending cash flow into their games
CS2 is a gacha game also
I LOVE GAMBLING FOR FREE
It's largely the fact that the Gacha games tend to prioritize getting money as much as possible over everything else. Getting dosh out of your effort is fine, sure. But Gacha games will sacrifice SO much of their game just to get money out of you
Pretty much
YES, so what? Now to watch the video
Yes,they are supposed to drain your money. So yes.
F2P people are mad man
or just can't fork out the cash to pay
one is insanity and the other is a skill issue
@@Z-000R0used to be a whale, not anymore, I'm genuinely having more fun as f2p (almost broke my f2p for Changli)
How could you forget Teppei?!?! you monster!
Watching a common NPC slip into death before finishing his long bloated dialog is the saddest thing I've ever seen!
wtf are you saying? the main pouint in genshin is getting that 3.5 wishes/event. you can get a character maxed without doing any of them.
23:28 Bro, I HATED this mini-game with a passion. I'd usually start a match and then AFK, just to get the stupid rewards.
Yup
Yes
Gacha games in general are garbage. Fucking pngs basically.
Now that is changing, we are in the golden era of gachas, gacha games that have quality like Wuthering Waves, Genshin, ZZZ, NTE?, HSR...
Of course WuWa being the best of them all at least in terms of quality and gameplay.
Pgr
hex never played Sumeru?? omg! pls play. Sumeru first half is great.
I know she won't, but she's missing the part where Genshin starts getting good. I felt the same way about the story, they've stepped up in presentation and pacing after Inazuma. It's no award-winning story, but it's certainly enjoyable.
I think gachas are character story narrative driven games.
With Hex's take that gachas are monetization, then that would imply that western games such as FIFA are gacha games which I don't think most people would think fits.
Thus the importance of a good story in a gacha game is paramount.
I think the characters of a gacha can only be as good as it's story.
a lot of people DO consider FIFA a gacha game actually 😭
@@hexjuice Hm, feels like the CRPG vs JRPG situation.
That's where I stopped playing Genshin too!
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r1999 has to be the most positively reviewed game no one plays as far as ive seen lol
@@bloodmay exact opposite thing can be said when someone is too committed to their own community they tend to misjudge how big their community actually is, and the revenue you listed kinda confirmed my point about the player base being small
@@bloodmay its a figure of speech no need to take everything so seriously lol
I have played it, but I was incredibly turned off by the combat system and didn’t continue