Ted has done an excellent job about telling this extremely devastating series of events by one callous individual. On this fateful night I was rostered on and attended the Terrigal crime scene. Something I have never forgotten. It would be great to get in contact with Ted to clarify a particular point that was raised in the podcast. Gary please keep these fascinating podcasts coming.
This poor man, you can hear him reliving this terrible crime. He is understandably still suffering from ptsd. I often drive past the house in Barnhill Drive, and the events of the night always flood back. I can’t imagine the suffering of all involved.
Wonderful discussion about a very horrific subject but also excellent insight into the work and intricacies ans stresses of policing. Full honour and respect for you both .
This is one eye opening episode I actually live on the central coast,I was working on barnhill drive only a few days ago Scenic highway I drive almost everyday Will never feel the same again My heart goes out to the families and everyone involved Thanks Gary huge fan for quite sometime ❤
We obviously don't get sentencing right, and we all know that sentencing times are quite short in Australia by comparison to world standards. I looked up the recividism rates again recently in Australia, and it it is actually quite high around 30%, as high as 58% in my state 🤦🏼♀️ which is shocking !! I have never heard of this case. very interesting to hear the details and your conversation about the good old days, and what it is like to be a detective on such a case. Again thank you Gary for raising awareness around this issue. It's important. We have to do more as a community to lower the statistics. When someone is murdered it isn't just that person that dies, but often a whole branch of that family tree dies with them. Children that will never be born, potential that will never be realised. Never was that more blindingly obvious than when a pregnant woman and child lose their lives. It makes the senselessness and the waste of life even more poignant. This was a broken man who wanted to inflict his broken on others instead of taking responsibility for it and working on trying to fix it. I guess that's what Personality Disorders to a larger extent do, and probably why i can sniff them at 50 paces and walk the other side of the street these days 😅
What would police have done to stop his murderous spree had someone reported it? AVO/DVOs we know aren’t a deterrent for a psychopath so what else could police have done?
Here for part two. Rip to each one of the victims of this tragic night. I looked a killer in the eye. Will bever forget it. Lesley was like 10 weeks pregnant. They had tried for years to have a baby. She was the most beautiful human I had ever met. Ross was my cousin. Yes he was a swindler but he did had a good heart and when he met Lesley, he changed for the better. Our family have always been house removalist, but Ross was on his own and rode the coat tails of my grandfathers good name. Thank you for your story.
I'd add that many people aware of ongoing abuse don't report domestic violence because of the dual reason(s) that they fear for their own safety from the perpetrator and thus do not want to get involved.
I do remember that exact night, hearing over the radio that people all over the coast had been shot and the last was so close to where I lived as a 21 year old. People called the house mover "Smithy" back then. It was definitely not something that happened back then on the coast. Excellent podcast guys, thankyou 👍
Thankyou for sharing this Gary. I cant believe I don't remember this even though I was living at wyongah.busy with three chidren at the time.but such a sad case.
I’ll never forget this night. I heard the gunshots from my mums house not too far away. I was 22yo and went to find out what was going on. I went to the top of Barnhill Rd within 3-5 min after it happened not 250 meters from the house and I’d arrived before any police. All was quiet then. What I didn’t know was there was a dead body on the road only a stones throw away and a house with people killed. For the next few years I walked past a dead body outline (like you see in the movies) on the top of Grosvenor Rd and Barnhill Rd every time I went to Terrigal for a surf. I never could get over the fact they never got rid of that body outline for years after.
Cops took so long to arrive at Nth Wyong. It was terrifying. Cops were asking neighbours to stand at the end of their driveways at the side of the highway to give statements… no one knew what was going on.
All the red flags this man showed ,but you have to remember back then police hand were tied. As the police told my sister in law , there was nothing we could do until her ex-boyfriend shoots you , that was Queensland in the 70s.
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it being on the radio befor school one morning. I was worried for my neighbours as thier last name was the same as one of the parties involved and they had in laws with another of names involved in this terrible incident. I never realised how close to my home it actually was (10 or 15 minute drive) and as an adult I am all to familiar with many of the locations mentioned.My sympathies to all who were affected by this event.
Why is not more focus and help offered and continually offered to those like "Mac" who have been born into a family where one of the parents is dis functional? Maybe now that we know how harmful dysfunctional parents cause harm to the children we can intervene and help those children learn to be better. Prayers 🙏 for all who live in such a life of sadness. God help us ❤
That had nothing to do with gun control, he had hidden guns. You can't control the fact that those that don't abide the legal fires arms use. Can be place where the person flips out and pulls the trigger. Mostly it's gun control that's blamed for bad actors. Thats unjust, knowing that its not the gun but the person who had decided and deceived the police into thinking he was unarmed. The checks and the balances are better now, but not perfect either and also man is still in a broken state. The bad element is always with us and responsibility is with what we know of the people around us, yet only one pulls the trigger. Not usually the legal Firearms users, which take the backlash of any gun incidence.
To be fair it also begs the question if we had something like the US second amendment someone could have had a firearm to counter the threat. I think it’s a shame that good honest people can’t protect themselves their families their loved ones or even a complete stranger. There are more good honest people than bad but who wants to confront a situation such as this with no means of equal force and no way of protecting themselves…
@@ArchimedeanEyemost probably the victims' body fluids released when dying. Plus the smell of gunpowder from shooting can linger and may be worse inside the house.
To Gary and Ted, and all serving and ex serving police. You all have my greatest respect and admiration for the work that you do. Thank you.
Ted has done an excellent job about telling this extremely devastating series of events by one callous individual. On this fateful night I was rostered on and attended the Terrigal crime scene. Something I have never forgotten. It would be great to get in contact with Ted to clarify a particular point that was raised in the podcast. Gary please keep these fascinating podcasts coming.
Thanks for your life of service you two.
so insane that these types of psychopaths live among us
Yep, they're everywhere unfortunately.
They run the country
This poor man, you can hear him reliving this terrible crime. He is understandably still suffering from ptsd. I often drive past the house in Barnhill Drive, and the events of the night always flood back. I can’t imagine the suffering of all involved.
Wonderful discussion about a very horrific subject but also excellent insight into the work and intricacies ans stresses of policing. Full honour and respect for you both .
This is one eye opening episode
I actually live on the central coast,I was working on barnhill drive only a few days ago
Scenic highway I drive almost everyday
Will never feel the same again
My heart goes out to the families and everyone involved
Thanks Gary huge fan for quite sometime ❤
Coercive control is so under estimated.
its insidious
We obviously don't get sentencing right, and we all know that sentencing times are quite short in Australia by comparison to world standards.
I looked up the recividism rates again recently in Australia, and it it is actually quite high around 30%, as high as 58% in my state 🤦🏼♀️ which is shocking !!
I have never heard of this case. very interesting to hear the details and your conversation about the good old days, and what it is like to be a detective on such a case.
Again thank you Gary for raising awareness around this issue. It's important. We have to do more as a community to lower the statistics. When someone is murdered it isn't just that person that dies, but often a whole branch of that family tree dies with them. Children that will never be born, potential that will never be realised. Never was that more blindingly obvious than when a pregnant woman and child lose their lives. It makes the senselessness and the waste of life even more poignant.
This was a broken man who wanted to inflict his broken on others instead of taking responsibility for it and working on trying to fix it. I guess that's what Personality Disorders to a larger extent do, and probably why i can sniff them at 50 paces and walk the other side of the street these days 😅
Unless your name is Derek Bromley, 40 years served
These type of guys dont care about their ultimate jail sentençe. The're only concerned about carrying out their mission.
Terribly sad, so much fear and suffering. Wonder how many police get PTSD because of their jobs?
Probably around the same amount of ptsd cases they cause amongst the public.
Lots sadly. They don’t get looked after, especially back then.
Crazy that such a horrific crime isn’t more well known. I’d never heard of this case until I watched this
@sarahmoorcroft8826 You probably llve in the US or Europe.
@@tonyneal4716 I actually live in Melbourne AUS. I would have been 7yo when this happened but I’m surprised I’ve never heard of it
What would police have done to stop his murderous spree had someone reported it? AVO/DVOs we know aren’t a deterrent for a psychopath so what else could police have done?
Here for part two.
Rip to each one of the victims of this tragic night.
I looked a killer in the eye. Will bever forget it.
Lesley was like 10 weeks pregnant. They had tried for years to have a baby. She was the most beautiful human I had ever met.
Ross was my cousin. Yes he was a swindler but he did had a good heart and when he met Lesley, he changed for the better.
Our family have always been house removalist, but Ross was on his own and rode the coat tails of my grandfathers good name.
Thank you for your story.
I'd add that many people aware of ongoing abuse don't report domestic violence because of the dual reason(s) that they fear for their own safety from the perpetrator and thus do not want to get involved.
I do remember that exact night, hearing over the radio that people all over the coast had been shot and the last was so close to where I lived as a 21 year old. People called the house mover "Smithy" back then. It was definitely not something that happened back then on the coast. Excellent podcast guys, thankyou 👍
There’s a few old names mentioned from back then when my husband was stationed at Wyong.
Thankyou for sharing this Gary. I cant believe I don't remember this even though I was living at wyongah.busy with three chidren at the time.but such a sad case.
What is the point of an avo if it is not policed. Breaking an avo must be punished with imprisonment.
It generally is
I’ll never forget this night. I heard the gunshots from my mums house not too far away. I was 22yo and went to find out what was going on. I went to the top of Barnhill Rd within 3-5 min after it happened not 250 meters from the house and I’d arrived before any police. All was quiet then. What I didn’t know was there was a dead body on the road only a stones throw away and a house with people killed. For the next few years I walked past a dead body outline (like you see in the movies) on the top of Grosvenor Rd and Barnhill Rd every time I went to Terrigal for a surf. I never could get over the fact they never got rid of that body outline for years after.
🙏
Cops took so long to arrive at Nth Wyong. It was terrifying. Cops were asking neighbours to stand at the end of their driveways at the side of the highway to give statements… no one knew what was going on.
Here we are for P2.. RIP Davo
crazy story nice job getting him on.
75 house number, it's still there and looks the same.
All the red flags this man showed ,but you have to remember back then police hand were tied. As the police told my sister in law , there was nothing we could do until her ex-boyfriend shoots you , that was Queensland in the 70s.
Exactly
Not much has changed unfortunately
I was only 10 when this happened, but I remember it being on the radio befor school one morning. I was worried for my neighbours as thier last name was the same as one of the parties involved and they had in laws with another of names involved in this terrible incident. I never realised how close to my home it actually was (10 or 15 minute drive) and as an adult I am all to familiar with many of the locations mentioned.My sympathies to all who were affected by this event.
Why is not more focus and help offered and continually offered to those like "Mac" who have been born into a family where one of the parents is dis functional? Maybe now that we know how harmful dysfunctional parents cause harm to the children we can intervene and help those children learn to be better. Prayers 🙏 for all who live in such a life of sadness. God help us ❤
That had nothing to do with gun control, he had hidden guns. You can't control the fact that those that don't abide the legal fires arms use.
Can be place where the person flips out and pulls the trigger. Mostly it's gun control that's blamed for bad actors.
Thats unjust, knowing that its not the gun but the person who had decided and deceived the police into thinking he was unarmed.
The checks and the balances are better now, but not perfect either and also man is still in a broken state. The bad element is always with us and responsibility is with what we know of the people around us, yet only one pulls the trigger. Not usually the legal Firearms users, which take the backlash of any gun incidence.
There wasn't any gun control then like now.
To be fair it also begs the question if we had something like the US second amendment someone could have had a firearm to counter the threat. I think it’s a shame that good honest people can’t protect themselves their families their loved ones or even a complete stranger.
There are more good honest people than bad but who wants to confront a situation such as this with no means of equal force and no way of protecting themselves…
The smell never leaves you.
what smell?
@@ArchimedeanEyemost probably the victims' body fluids released when dying. Plus the smell of gunpowder from shooting can linger and may be worse inside the house.
Great chanel!
Sad ! Like father like son.
Chris Gall still lives on the Central Coast.
A menacing bully seems like to me.
Very sad for the victims an the police
Psychopathic and controlling narcissist
Hi Gary luv your wrk what is the name of the book
Totally agree the courts should be about 'beyond reasonable doubt and not beyond reasonable technicality.
Is Peter a bloke?
Wife.