Mashallah! Thank you for your content. I learn a lot from this. I converted to Islam 4 years ago now and I was following the Ash'ari creed before but with more research it came to conclusion that the Athari aqeedah and the path of the Salaf is the correct way Alhamdulillah! Fellow brother from El Salvador!
MashaaAllah, may Allah make you firm and steadfast upon the truth, and may He bless you and give you increase in beneficial knowledge, health, family and welath, Ameen.
@Witness Truth I hate to say this but the first people to write books on Aqeedah were the Salaf, and they refuted many sects who had deviated from the correct Aqeedah. Imam Ahmad wrote a very famous book called Usool al-Sunnah. I would recommend you read it. The term Aqeedah may not have been used exclusively, but it doesn't mean they aren't talking about Aqeedah. The Barelvis are misguided.
Yes bro, see kalemah channel ustaadh has classes their try to start from his essential classes. I wonder how will you feel when you listen to the scholars of this ummah. And this is not possible except by learning Arabic so start learning Arabic and take his classes. Even u do this 30 minutes a day just start. May Allah help us to do what pleases him.
Abdur Rahaman has a heck of a memory! Im a lil jealous! May Allah increase him(us all with Knowledge/Sincerity)! Wallahi! I smile every time! Hes like a Machine Gun! (Da! Da! Da! Da! Da!)Im still trying to memorize Quran! Make dua for me people!
@@knowledgeseeker1548 Surah Yasin and last 3 juz! I start Surah Hadid/Juz 27 after I read from Mujadillah to Nas from memory! Allah make it easy for me! Im 47yr, 2 older daughters and a 3yr old son! Everytime I begin reading he comes and jumps im my lap! But I read every day, after Subh and Maghrib! Keep me in your dua!
@@Abrock730 excellent. I have memorized baqarah to tawbah and naas to ghaafir. So now going from Yunus to Zumar to finish, but keeping those 40 hizb strong while running my online coaching business is quite challenging. Alhamdoelileh
@@knowledgeseeker1548 ما شاء الله! Its getting easier to remember (memorize) now! I have some other things memorized too! Sharh Thalatul Usool! Im gnna keep going as much as Allah wills! I have Muqbil Asbab Nuzul Tafisir too! So Im really learning the Surah too!
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته! I dont FOLLOW Bro Hajji! I FOLLOW (رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم) The Prophet Muhammad! Sahabah(ر)... The fiqh of Imam Malik(ر)! I call myself muslim as Allah has called us in Surah Hajj 22:78! I have no alliances to any tribes etc, Just Allah and His Messenger! If you ask why I watch his vedioes (meaning I hear what he says(listening is also different), then thats a different question. Im not into who LIKES who.
Nearly 3hrs long video with no ads, ALLAHUMMA BARIK!!!! This is from the blessings of Allah. So many beneficial points are mentioned in these podcasts👌🏿
I would love for Ustadh Abdul rahman Hafidhullah to speaker to this Ashari student who said this concerning this first video "I just finished the video, and every point the brother made was a misconception, half-truth, or outright falsehood. He was making rudimentary mistakes when trying to explain issues from beginner's level books, so he either doesn't know what he's talking about, but can get away with it because most viewers won't be able to tell, or is deliberately misrepresenting the Ashari school. In both cases he should fear Allah. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with Asharis, but any serious student of knowledge should value accuracy, objectivity, and fairness when transmitting opposing views, and be humble enough to not delve into issues he's not qualified to discuss."
@@Smz1sh akhi you speak too fast and ponder very little , what do you mean what am I talking about? I know what was presented in the video and I'm in agreement with it , But as I said I want the brother to clarify to this Ashari student the same thing .
I'm mid way through, but in case this hasn't been mentioned in the entirety of this video, *one of the best examples of where Akl alone was not sufficient* is the story of *Musa (AS) & Al Kidr.*
@@AC-mp7cx if you watched the video, Ustadh said the same, we athari salafis dont say dont use akl, the problem comes when it comes in relation with nakl as asharis and others say, please understand, Barak Allahu Feekum
🔴 When Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) was asked of his opinion of the one who says i do not know whether Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens or on the earth, Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) said: He has disbelieved, because Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) says: “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne”, and His Throne is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) seven heavens. He was then asked, what if he said that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth he said, he has disbelieved. because he has denied that He (subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens [Quoted in Al-Uluww of Adh»Dhahabi, also in Sharh Aqeedah At»Tahawiyyah of Ibn Abi AI-lzz AI»Hanafi] 🔴 lmaam Malik (Rahimahullah) said when replying to the one who asked, ‘How did Allah make lstawaa? (Ascension above the Throne), Al-lstawaa is Known, and its how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and to question it is an innovation.” Then he said to the questioner, “i do not think except that you are an innovator” and he ordered him to be expelled. [Quoted in AI-Asmaa was Sifaat’ Page #.516] 🔴 Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said: The belief that I am upon, and I saw Our Companions, the Ashab-ul- Hadith (People of hadith) - like Imaam Malik and Sufvan and others - to be upon is: Affirming the testimony that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) and that Muhammad (Sal-Allahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) is the Messenger of Allah. And that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His Throne. above His heaven. He comes close to His creation howsoever He Wills, and He (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Descends to the lowest heaven howsoever He Wills. [Quoted in ‘Awn aI-Ma’bood’ (13/41), and ibn Abu Ya’la reports it in ‘Tabaqaat aI»Hanaabilaa‘ (1/283) with a chain of narration linked back to lmaam Ash-Shafi’ee.) Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said on another occasion: “To Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) belong Names and Attributes that occur in His Book and His Prophet informed to the nation. It is not possible for anyone to refute (radd) them. So the one who contradicts this after the evidence has been established against him then he is a kafir (disbeliever), and as for before the establishment of the proof then he is excused due to ignorance, because the knowledge of that cannot be attained through the intellect. So we affirm these Attributes and we negate tashbeeh (likening Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) to creation) as Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) negated it by saying, ‘there is nothing like Him.”‘ [Quoted in ‘Siyar A’Iaam an-Nubalaa’ (10/80)] 🔴 lmaam Ahmad (Rahimahullah) was asked: “Allah is above the seventh heaven, above His Throne. distinct from his creation, and His Power and Knowledge are in every place?” He (Rahimahullah) replied: Yes. above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place (Quoted in Sharh Usool ilal‘tiqaad]
I really feel I'm worth nothing in front of this brother and am so scared to be amongst the 72 sects and I am not aware of it. This brother is a giant - may Allah keep him on the Truth and make us amongst the righteous. JZK.
@@virtualwanderer I am not aware that Pakistan has all 73 sects. I have the list but it is long. I am sure you can find the list online. I don’t know all the representatives who voted but only those who died a miserable or violent death; King Faisal (shot by his nephew); Bhutto (hanged); Saddam Hussein (hanged); Yasser Arafat (probably poisoned); Idi Amin Dada (died in exile); Colonel Gaddafi (lynched); It was a long time ago. It was a charade. I have videos of scholars who say openly how the small delegation of Ahmadis defeated all the opposing scholars. But this was hidden from the public. Now, with the internet everything is in the open.
May Allah bless Ustadh Abdur Rahman Hassan (حفظه الله) for explaining the true correct of the Sahaba and the salaf. And May Allah reward and bless him for exposing the false beliefs of the Ashari’s. Belief of the Salaf is the credal belief of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. We have the explicit verses of the Quran and explicit words of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the authentic hadiths and the authentic statements of the sahaba and authentic statements of the Tabieen and atbaa-tabieen and the 4 imams to explain clearly what the correct Aqeedah is. Aqeedah is not devolvement. Aqeedah is one which is the Aqeedah of the prophet and the sahaba. خلاص
@@abdullatiffabdulrahim6356 if you think it’s nonsense then duck out and go educate yourself properly and get a life pal. Do something meaningful during this pandemic instead of saying it’s nonsense with no substance to back up that claim of yours. Khalas.
Majority of Muslims were either asharite or maturidi's and only recently we have the salafiyah who want to say we can take knowledge from the sahaba like all the Muslims before them were not following the sahaba. Subhana Allah. Small knowledge is a dangerous thing. We have luminaries like Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali who was shafi'i and ash'ari and others who were followers of ahlul Sunnah wal jamaaca. Today we have so called scholars who cherry pick Islamic traditions and maligned previous well regarded luminaries of early Muslim scholars. There is a meddling with our Islamic traditional books by people with agenda here is the proof ruclips.net/video/8OJPZzSkvBA/видео.html.
Masha'Allah, great podcast. The guest is 100% right - all human ideologies rely on subjective reasoning, just like the group discussed, and they reject Divine Revelation when it suits their whims and desires. This is a much needed discussion.
Truly hope that brother YQ gets to see this video, as he follows the ashari maturidi creed and is busy misleading sections of the ummah to this deviated path
Don't you think defining _ilm-ul kalam_ as "Greek philosophy" is a bit misleading? I mean Al-Ghazali specifically refuted the Greeks, yet he still partook in kalam.
the jargon and premises used by ilmul kalam are directly influenced by the Greeks and Aristotle but yea directly defining it as Greek philosophy would be a reach
@J A He died as an Ashari who followed the path of Tasawuff dissociating himself from worldly pleasures. Imam Ibn Taymiyah was wrong that he 'turned his back on the philosophy' or 'came back to ahul sunah' because he was already on it. All believers repent when they die including the great Ibn Taymiyah himself when you are close to death. To claim it was for the athari creed however is a myth perpetuated by insecure Atharis and modern-day Neo-Salafis
Ilm Ul Kalam of the Mutazili and other deviant groups was completely unacceptable. But the ilm ul kalam of the Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors
@@truthoverhappiness7338 "Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors " - no , they were bidatis post salaf, and were a softer version of the mutazilahs who did tatil, but Khulab Asharis did tatil tahrif.
You can still find the audio of that podcast (and the ones on hijrah) on other platforms if you google (like podtail.com/podcast/the-hot-seat/ ). I'd advice everyone to download from there while they still have the chance and to spread it, since these video's are unique gems compared to what is there in the English da"wah.
In the Hot Seat Playlist one video is deleted because of "hate speech" (might be the one about homosexuality and 2 got changed into privat videos. It would be great if the admins would upload their beneficial videos on another platform too besides YT (like their own website or something) other than RUclips because we know RUclips deletes content that goes against it's propaganda.
@@hopefulthatthingswillgetbetter How does one get in touch with these brothers? One should bring it to their attention to upload all their content on another site...I'm sure they could raise money for that. I would gladly contribute.
MashAllah, I like this method of engagement... Pushing the important issues in order to clarify issues of difference between Ahlu Sunnah and the other groups who try to active themselves to them... Keep up the good work! Salaam alakuum wa rahmatullah
In our age, Ibn Taymiyya’s religious rulings is used selectively as the a tip of the spear to crash despotic rulers in the Muslim World, when if one studies his whole corpus of religious teachings, one finds he was dynamic and versatile scholar with nuance understanding of the Islamic tradition and jurisprudence. To sum up Ibn Taymiyya’s treatise, the Muslim community is obligated to fulfill the prophetic caliphate. However, no ideal caliph exists, and the Muslim community must make do with sinful kings whose rule brings far more benefit than harm. Ibn Taymiyya does not allow overturning prohibitions against things like eating carrion and drinking wine on a whim. However, he does think that it is not always possible to keep the law to perfection. It is thus necessary to do what most benefits the community in the overall circumstances. This is in fact the way of the Prophet, according to Ibn Taymiyya, and inasmuch as utilitarian reasoning is the very way of the Prophet, it is paradoxically the way to keep the law to perfection after all. PUBLIC AUTHORITY AND THE LAW. Whether or not a true caliph exists, Ibn Taymiyya expects the public authorities to take the lead in commanding the right and prohibiting the wrong. He grounds public authority (wilaya) in both scripture and rational argument. As for scripture, he interprets “authorities” in the Qur’anic verse, “O you who believe! Obey God, and obey the Messenger and the authorities among you” (Q. 4:59), to include both religious scholars and military and political leaders. His rational argument begins with the premise that human beings are communal by nature. They need to cooperate to attain benefits in this world and in the hereafter. Humans need leaders who both command and prohibit with those ends in view and have sufficient power and authority to administer justice and establish religion. In this more philosophical spirit, Ibn Taymiyya sometimes speaks of justice (‘adl) as a kind of natural law. God supports justice wherever it is found, even among unbelievers. Ibn Taymiyya writes, “It is said, ‘God gives victory to the just state, even if it is unbelieving, and He does not give victory to the unjust state, even if it is Muslim’... This is because justice is the order of everything. So, if the affairs of this world are maintained by justice, they will endure, even if he who is responsible has no share in the hereafter” (MF 28:146). Excerpt from: "Ibn Taymiyya" by Jon Hoover. Scribd.
I read imam sabuni's aqeeda book recently... alhamdullilah i m blessed to have the aqeeda of the salaf and sahaba...but this podcast was most interesting and knowledgeful....may Allah guide us all....
It's so rare to see scholars talking about the opposing views without slandering, mocking and backbiting. The shaykh did a good job of being truthful giving solid proof and staying on topic wa al Hamdu lillah P.S. 1:00:00 is 100% facts
@Mo Brown The same Hamza Yusuf that openly said that there is no evidence for qabd in the salah, that shari'ah is obsolete, and Norway, Sweden are edens on earth? And from who you hold that the jama'ah means the majority? Also, you people are strange, why do you flee the part ما انا عليه و اصحابي ? Or are you conscious that this is not good for you. This particular hadith has many turuq and one of them that came in sahih at tirmidhiyy ليأتينَّ على أمَّتي ما أتى على بني إسرائيل حَذوَ النَّعلِ بالنَّعلِ ، حتَّى إن كانَ مِنهم من أتى أُمَّهُ علانيَةً لَكانَ في أمَّتي من يصنعُ ذلِكَ ، وإنَّ بَني إسرائيل تفرَّقت على ثِنتينِ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، وتفترقُ أمَّتي على ثلاثٍ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، كلُّهم في النَّارِ إلَّا ملَّةً واحِدةً ، قالوا : مَن هيَ يا رسولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قالَ : ما أَنا علَيهِ وأَصحابي This hadith has many riwayat, so how can you dismiss them all just because you want your deviant sect to be the jama'ah. Lastly, the jama'ah is us, the majority of Muslims haven't heard about abul hassan, or Al baqillani, or juwayni, the know only one qur'ān, the one which is recited, they affirm the caractheristics of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, and don't have shakk in his existence. As your scholars have established it, you have to doubt before affirming the existence, and as Al Ghazali also pointed out in his books, there's a tawhid for the 'awam and for the scholars, how can you then represent the majority?
@@mobrown7751 so the verses of Allāh and the Prophet alayhi salaatu wa salaam's teaching are rubbish? Go wash your mouth verily it's worse than rubbish!!!
1st Imam Ashari repented & became close to Athari writing al Ibana before death! Salafis I know, say we don't liken Allah to his creation & affirm his Attributes as in Quran 42 :11 & 7 :180 - affirming Allah's attributes without likening. Allah is All Hearing & Seeing, & also we hear & see - so based on Khulab/"Ashari" logic Allah can't Hear or See! Aw'uthubillah! Ahlul Sunni, here I mean, Islam or salafis teach 3 categories of Tawhid/Oneness. 1. Tawhid Rububiyah - Allah's Lordship or His actions as Creator etc. (Quran 1 :2) 2. Tawhid Ulluhiyah - Allah's Oneness in Godhood or being served as He taught (Quran 6 :162 & 163). 3. Tawhid Asma wa Saffat - Names and Attributes of Allah understood properly... Category 3 has 4 sub pillars to understand Allah's (Tawhid in) Names & Attributes: A) No Tatil or denial - Quran 7 :180. - Affirm Allah's perfect attributes! B) No Tamthil or likening, - Quran 42 -11. - Affirm without likening. C) No Takyif or questioning the how of the unseen - Quran 17 :36. D) No Tahrif or distorting w/o evidence - Quran 7 :33. (Hence directing implying any Tawil is Tawqif/Text based, Quran 3 :7) Some of us believe tahrif may involve tatil as well of the apparent meaning. >>> Clarifications on our view: A) Salafis don't say Attributes of Allah mean an appendage of limb/body... Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote. - Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434). I propose - They, Khulab/Asharis should be nuetral like Ibn Tamiyyah and say we don't say about Allah what isn't revealed & we don't know and affirm what Allah says, following Quran 7 :33 or they open endless shirk & division! We affirm what Allah affirm and nuetral on what Allah hasn't mentioned! Khulab Asharis don't affirm what Allah has affirmed and affirm what Allah hasn't mentioned! - this is enough to show their error! For Khulab Asharis to differentiate attributes all of which Allah said to confirm, shows they are following someone other then Allah showing error! Usually greek philosophers who say bodies are temporary so Khulab Asharis use this logic & say therefore imply foreign logic is here = to Islam & this is wrong, we seek refuge from that! They are also saying Allah's Attributes if true is then like creation so they fall into tamthil/likening they are running from showing internally who is right and Ahlul Sunnah is the middle path with no contradictions! Allah is Creator, not like creation... Just like Allah's Hearing & Seeing isn't like ours, So Allah's Face, Hands etc. isn't like ours & for Khulab/Asharis to affirm Hearing and Seeing which in creation also only takes place in bodies shows their contradiction in logic as well. **Again one should just affirm Attributes & be nuetral on what Allah didn't say knowing He is Ahad/unique, incomparable like the salaf - & this is truly rejecting tamthil, & Ibn Taymiyyah reminds of this.** for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that! B) Re: "directions" - We say what Islam teaches & don't add or subtract out of humbleness as there is nothing like Allah. Allah's High above the Arsh is a sign of Tawhid taught to the Muslim slave & even firaun in Sura 28 & 40... Direct Evidence Allah is above His Arsh in the Farewell Sermon, Abu Bakr, Abu Hanifa etc. 1. ... I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator Jafar bin Muhammad) said: **He (the Blessed Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice.** (Bilal then) pronounced Adhan and later... source : Sahih Muslim 1218 a - book of hajj/pilgrimage. 2. Aqida Tahawiya on Allah above the Throne (الْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ) وَالْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ حَقٌّ - The Throne (al-‘arsh) and the Footstool (al-kursī) are true. وَهُوَ مُسْتَغْنٍ عَنِ الْعَرْشِ وَمَا دُونَهُ - He is independent of the Throne and whatever is beneath it. مُحِيطٌ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَفَوْقَهُ وَقَدْ أَعْجَزَ عَنِ الْإِحَاطَةِ خَلْقَهُ - He encompasses all things and *He is above it,* and what He has created is incapable of encompassing Him. Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him said I am the most blessed salaf for you - Sahihayn! Salafi Dawa is the path to the Sunna, Quran 9 :100... (Manhaj of Sahabas, 4 mathhabs, etc.) >>> Point 2 : Salafis reject Khulab Ashari view of rejecting the description of Allah & jahmiyah reject Allah's description of Himself & at times also try to redefine it going into another error of tahrif or speaking about Allah without knowledge or Quran 7 :33. For examples Ashari say Allah's Hands means power violating Quran 7 :33. But Allah says He has 2 hands. does this mean He has 2 powers? In Hadiths Allah created 3 things with His Hands, Jannah's plantings, Adam and the Torah. So how about the rest of the world created by His power, see Quran 65 :12? So the Ashari view contradicts Islam's teachings, but even before that the error they made is that they are not humble and accepting to Allah's words as he taught... Also see this example... When Allah asked satan why don't you prostrate to who I created with My Own Hands in Surah 38 :75? If Hands meant power satan could of said you made with with Your Hands as well oh Allah... >>> In Summary : With regards to Allah's Attributes (Hands in Quran 5 :64 or Face in Quran 75 :22, or Shin in Quran 68, or Eyes in Quran 54 etc.) Salafis - Affirm (no tatil), without likening (tamthil) leaving takyif/modality... for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that! To change the meaning of something from the unseen needs evidence from text as only Allah reveals the unseen as He wishes (Quran 6 :50 etc.) As the hadiths say Allah made us in His Image in His will, not the other way around. Asharis type 1 (tahrif) - do tatil and tahrif/tawil (violating Quran 7 :33), denying the apparent and say about Allah what they don't know or... for them to even imply they can do ijtihad is to violate not doing takyif (Quran 17 :36) & only agreeing with Salafis on not likening Allah. Ashari type 2 (tafwid) - do tatil (violating Quran 7 :180) of the meaning but agree with the salafis on not likening or rejecting tamthil and tawil or leaving the takyif/modality! sometimes they say we deny outward meaning for another outward meaning but leave the kayf to Allah, thats a contradiction unless you want to either agree with salafis on outward meaning or ... say their is a secret meaning tahrif violating Quran 7 :33 & Quran 5 :3 that Islam is complete, as Islam is a clear and open religion, showing you open up doors to make up lies on Islam limitlessly and this is the danger of the khulab Ashari bida!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 no your wrong salafis literally say Allah has a right and a left hand and both hands have fingers. I tried to listen with an open mind but he was saying anything. Ashari for life Allah is nothing like his creation.
@@m4fital2 "both hands have..." so do you reject Qur'an & the Salaf? Qur'an 38 : 75 - (Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with **Both My Hands.** Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?" - ... even satan didn't say oh you created me with your Hands if it meant power...
@@m4fital2 " Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course, Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, you guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah! Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 : He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation. Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism, ~~~ Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, **“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,** and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’ The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, **Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.** They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 In the book of Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar I have, the translation doesn't say "unknowable modality", it says "without description" Can you point to me the Arabic that says "unknowable modality" in the quote of Imām Abu Hanīfa?
IMPORTANT POINT- There is a difference between the intended meaning of the Quran and Sunnah and the outward meanings of the Quran and Sunnah. This is why Imam al-Shafi'i said- «آمنت بالله، وبما جاء عن الله، على مراد الله، وآمنت برسول الله، وبها جاء عن رسول الله على مراد رسول الله». Translation- I believe in Allah and in what has come on the authority of Allah upon the meaning He intended. And I believe in the Messenger of Allah and what has come on the authority of the Prophet upon the meaning he intended. Imam Al-Shafi'i did not say the "outward meaning" but the "intended meaning".
conclusion is simple, this salafi/athari versus ashaari/maturidi conflict if not curbed and find harmony, fanatics will turn this into a global inter-Muslim war near future.
It is so ridiculous that when atharis confront shias ,they say sunna are the majority of muslims ,but when confronting asharis ,they deny that asharis belong to Sunna ,even if they are the majority of muslims.ما لكم كيف تحكمون
@@filmyfun1 are you stupid or what? You mean to tell me that in the Indian Subcontinent, Sham, Iraq, Central Asia, the Maghreb, and Southeast Asia they've been taking from your scholars for centuries instead of Ash'aris and Hanafis?
Asalam-alaikum, is the brother on the right supposed to actually be an Ashari or is he a Salafi who is playing "devil's advocate" for the purpose of having a discussion?
Have to give credit to brother shahid who asks the pressing questions to gain a further understanding from a layman’s prespective, because we don’t hold the lim ustadh does, so the lim really needs to broken down for us.
There are several points that probably needs some further clarification. We don't have a proper Ash'ari scholar rebutting. Also we will need to know what is that scholar's stance in Ash'ari. I guess the video will easily be 10 hours if that's the case. As somebody that has not much knowledge, I won't be easily calling others as deviant, things as bid'ah and join this quarreling against each other. I am just a muslim and I try to do and perfect the basics of Islamic teachings.
@@m4fital2 exactly …. ash’ari goes over many of their heads then - he breaks it down as basic in a nonsensical way, as if its a form of heresey …… btw, did he know that ibn taymiyyah (the great scholar against this form of aqidah) actually reversed his decesions on Ghazali for instance in his last few books that weirdly nobody knows about???? plus, its tough to be a shaf’i and a salafi?? think about it - salafi takes the same reasonings of hanbali jurisprudence - which takes WEAK hadiths OVER reasoning and judgement based off the qur’an and sunnah, which is contrary to Shaf’i in fact, salafi isnt even technically aqidah - its just part of the traditionalist creed of imam hanbal known as “traditionalist creed/aqidah” - so while yes, it follows this creed - so one can say salafi is an aqidah, its really just a “sect” of hanbali jurisprudence - and I have no problem with salafi, but wahhabism is grown off strict non reasoning aspects of salafi - though its unfair to call a salafi a wahabbi - as there much different- but all wahhabis are salafist ash’ari does NOT move away from the Quran or Sunnah in fact it looks at it deeeep without going astray and staying within the boundaries - its a science in its own right from an external AND INTERNAL way of looking at Allah (swt) and his prophets …. - read Al-Ghazali please, instead of hearing what others say and form your own opinion (start with part 1 Ihyā’ ‘ulum al-din) , a pure shafi’i who honestly might have been over shaf’i in terms of knowledge - the amount of books he wrote (over 300) and more is just one aspect of his knowledge and HAD great respect for all four major - there is reasons why he is nicknames the “proof of Islam” - he alone can convert someone alone through his way of bringing the Quran and Sunnah into a simple but complex (paradoxical) way that shows anyone how its in your inherent threads as a human being
@@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY he has this idea that our logic can’t be used to prove Allah existence even those every Ash’ari knows that Allah exists. I mean I’m assuming salafis don’t give dawah then because how are they going to prove to a non Muslim that Allah exists. The definition of proving is demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.
To be completely honest: I'm Athari and I know many "Asharis/Maturidis" atleast by the way they are labeled(like Deobandis/Azhar students and others) and none of them hold even one belief that Abdur Rahman Hassan mentioned. None of them believe Abu Talib was a Muslim, or that Iman and a3maal have no connection or that we take the aql over the clear text or we don't have to say La ilaha illah or that Irja isn't innovation or the Qur'an is created or that Allah has only 7 attributes..... The only thing that slightly fits them is that they have tafweed on some issues like Yad and wajh. So to label them the Asha'ri the way Abdur Rahman Hassan just described is completely wrong, they would be more like Nawawi and Ibn Hajar who made slight ta'weel on some of the names and attributes of Allah
an Nawawi and ibn Hajar weren't Ashairah, they didnt fill up the usuul of the Ashairah. They only had 1 of the Usuul which was the ta'wil. They were Athari Alhamdulillah.
Brother, there is a difference between what the laymen Ash'ari say from hearsay and what the complete Ash'ari creed with its foundations and principles is according to the ones who laid the foundations for it and how it is thaught to their students of knowledge. This is like saying that you know Shia that don't say Abu Bakr and Umar radiallahu anhuma are Kaafir, they only believe that Ali should have been first Caliph. Does this now negate that their heads of the Twelvers do Takfīr of every Sahabi except 4 and that they ritually curse the Sahaba, especially those who learn the creed from their scholars. I hope you understand the difference. And by the way, the Ustadh made the distinction between the normal layman Ash'ari, whom he believes are sincere people who would reject these believes if they came to them, and the students who learns and spreads this Aqeedah.
@@AIMMONSTA An Nawai was definitely ashari, read his views on these issues, he defended every ashari position out there. Islamqa has a fatwa or it, but you don't need it, just read his views, he was 100% ashari
Aqida is 6 pillars of faith (& similar word in Quran 5 :89) Aqida has included iman & imama. ahsaris refer back to HAsan Ashari (really kulab) and he goes back to Musa Ashari, he was born in basra in 260 H., his father Ismail was from Ahl Sunna,, he spoke to an imam Zakariya ebn Yahya Sajji , and was a shafi Scholar, and wrote ilal Hadith. he d. 307 H. His mother married Abu Jubaei Mutazili. He changed the view of Hasan al Ashari for 30 years until he was 40. He had a dream, ibn Asakir wrote he had a dream he was to return to the sunna by the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him. He had a debate withhis step father whi he felt was misguided. Imam Shafi had a strong view against ilmul kalam of mutazilis he followed. 10 :00 - So Imam Ashari refuted Mutaziliah and followed Khullab. then he later joined Ahlul Sunna. Ibn Kathir mentioned, ibn Asakir quoted Usul Dayana by Ashari as Imam Ashari returned to sunnah but kulabi mid life Asharis don't like this. Abu Bakr Baqlani made logical arguments for mathhab and gave conents, Juwaini got closer to Mutazilah and weakened Asharis (he wrote Shamin fi usul din) Big difference between the two here. In tamhid awail talkis dala'il... tabha 2 daras come out, Abu Bakr Baqilani says Allah is over His throne and debunks the others, then tamhid book takes that out. Juwaini denies Allah is over His throne. He wrote irshad iqwat adalilala shamil usul ad din. Abu Hamid Ghazali merges souphism and Kulabbiya, and put there is contradiction etween text and logic. Razi wrote ... Ibn Taymiyyah wrote Naql Qableh Aql. Razi and Ashari don't agree. Dhahabi speaks of Imam Shafii... ilmul kalam is greek philosophy or plato and aristotle and mixed it with Islam (like Qadriyah took maJEWsi philosophy on Allah's Siffat is wrong). they say way usul al fiqh is for fiqh, they say ilmul kalam is for aqidah, Madafar samani has a nice statement refuting that and abul Qasim has it in his book, Ismail harawi has a book thalmul kalam. Shafi debated a man named hafs al fard, he said for an imam to error is better for him to speak in ilmul kalam. 20 :00 - If an imam of sunna errors he still gets a reward, if he uses ilmul kalam he's ahl bida. Imam Shafi says ilmul kalam is most hated. Dhahabi said doing a mistake in fiqh/furu is not the same as an error in Aqida/usul. There is usul and furu, bulk of Aqida is usul, bulk of fiqh is furu. 5 daily salat is usul. Most of Aqida is ijma'a. Kilaf means differences, we differ with the ahl kitab, mushrikin, Jahmiyah... Ijtihad is a type of differences. Quran & Sunnah and ijma'a agree, you can't oppose it except you are a zindiq. Quran 4 :115 those who oppose the believers Allah will leave them on what they are on and leave them on their path to jahunnum. Aqida Raziyayn speak on Aqidah Ansar. Qawam Sunnah, Abul Qasim Taymi Asfahani, talks about consensus. Not a group of Hanbali, or Shafi, or Malikis or Hanifis, but all across. Sharus Sunnah Abul Qasim Hibatullah Imam Lala'kaee Usul Itiqad Ahlul Sunnah, Also in Aqida Salaf Ashabul Hadith Sabuni, Abu Bakr Ismail has Itiqad Imams of hadith Al WAsitiyah by ibn Taymiyyah! Ibn Rajab in Jamu Ulum Hikma, sunna means a path, so hold onto the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him and the 4 Rightly guided Caleefs. Quran 7 : 3. Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember. 30 :00 - Imam Qurtubi says an mathhab is your awliya then. bn Kathir says this means follow the illiterate one. Quran 9 :100 connects with Abu Dawud 4607, Sunna This umma will break into 73 sects. 72 go to jahnnum, so they don't have small fiqh differring. SO we are also to follow the sahabas as ahlul sunnah wal jmam'ah. Kulabiya don't agree with using Quran and Sunnah and Sahabas as proof, they are jahmiyah. Razi has book tassis ul taqdis, he says Illam or know, clear logical arguments, if it proves reality and we find Quran and Sunnah opposing... we have 4 situations. 1. Affirm Quran and kalam when they oppose - this makes no sense. 2. Reject Quran and kalam when they oppose - this makes no sense as we will do one 3. Take Text Quran & ignore kalam when they oppose - this is wrong. 4. Reject Quran for our own knowledge - do it but do tawil to accept Quran. 41 :00 - He made Aql or man made ideas the standard. Does this contradict Quran telling us to use Aql. Quran is agreed with by sound Aql. Aql has restriction like our eyesight. Kulabiyah have errored (in not letting Quran and Sunna which is perfect define itself but mix it with manmade ideas and leading to contradictions and divisions - Quran 4 :82) Kulabiya/mutakalamin tried to prove Allah's existence by saying Allah always existed and took it to Allah's Attributes. Sunusi says who claims path to know truth is Quran and Sunna and haram other ways, you can refute them. Sunisi d. 589 H. shar al kubra says disbelief is 6, and 6th one is holding onto Quran and Sunnah and this is why hashawiya did tashbih. 50 :45 - Know hukm Akleh in Aqidah, they don't believe of Quran in Sunna in Aqida. Fitrah brings us to the truth, but to know Allah with tafsil that is due to Quran. Quran 42 : 52. And thus We have sent to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) Ruh (a Revelation, and a Mercy) of Our Command. **You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith?** But We have made it (this Qur'an) a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our sIaves We will. And verily, you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism). Gharid al Bayiyah Abul Barakat Ahmad ebn Md, ebn Ahmad ad Dardi, said same what Sunisi said. Shar Ahmad Sawi in Jalalayn, on Surah Kahf, it's from usul Kfr to hold on to riwayah wa nusus. This subject of Aqida doesn't need Aql. Bayjuri risala ilmul Tawhid, kulabis call him Shaykhuul Islam. He says evidence Allah exists is existence of creation. they speak about incidence, 1 :00 :45 - Kulabis use very little Quran and Sunna because they have shirk pre conceived notions! You saying just aql allows ignorance and open door to isil. Bukhari me 1k imams saying Iman is speech adn actions. Ayat when believers hear Quran recited it increases their iman. They establish prayers (actions) and give zakat, they are the true believers. Baqilani says Iman is beleif in the heart. Hadith iman is 70 odd bracnhes, highest is saying La ilaha ilalah, removing something from the road, & shyness is Iman. (So Asharis contradict Quran as Murjiah) 1 :10 :00 - Burhanodin, Ibrahim Harun Lakahoni, he has book juharu tawhid, Baijuri has a shar, - big AShari works in Somalia. Iman is just tasdiq to them, and dispute if shahada matters. This is why Asharis say Abu Talib is a believer. Kulabiya say Quran is created. Kulabis say we affirm 7 which is bad enough, and kalam is one, but they say it's internal speech not as Quran & hadith says. They say the Quran is created. Ayat. Allah spoke to Musa, Quran 9 :6 - let the mushrikin hear the speech of Allah if they seek protection. Ayat they want to change the speech of Allah 1 :20 :35 - Allah yelled to Musa, how if this not external. Calla Rabbee Jalalahi ayat - Zechariah said you won't be able to speak and will have to use signs. - this shows Speech is with sound. Bukhari , Allah will speak with sound on judgement day, oh Adam... Bayjuri says speech is not harf & sound Abu Bakr Baqilani is mutaqadimin, says speech of Allah isn't harf and sound Ghazali in iqtisad itiqad, says same, shrastani says the same from Hasan Ashari. 1 :30 :30 -
1 :30 :30 - Sharasani says AShari says speech of Allah is one commands, qabr, speech of Allah is one. He says thw words angels convey are created, while speech within Allah is uncreated. Bayjuri says in shar jaraut Tawhid, taftul murid, know There is 2 Kalam, Kalam Nafsi Qadim is uncreated but the Quran we have Allah created that. He says its wrong to say Quran is uncreated in public as it may include Quran nafsi but Quran with us is created. Burda says Quran isn't worthy to be with Muhammad, and Quran is would bring to life... acc. to Bayjuri. Says Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings eb upon him is best of creaion and better than the creation of Quran which we recite... Kulabis say mutazilah should just say Quran with us is created. Md Saeed Ramadan Buyuti, says he has 4 proofs for Allah's existence, they speak about difference between them and mutazila. Kitab shar Aqiad saffiyah by sajudin tazani or kitab sarf Baqilani, they speak of difference between them and mutazilah. 1 :40 :00 - Saying Quran is created is saying Allah's Siffat is created. Imam Ahmad said in Khalf al ibad by Bukhari says those who say Quran is created is a disbeliever. He speaks of acts of creation being created there as well. We were created to know Tawhid, Quran 16 :36, Nuh said you have no ilah but Allah, Hud say you have no Ilah but Allah. Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him fought for that in hadith, Muadh was told La ilaha ilalah first. Ubay is a Qari, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him said the greatest verse is ayatul kursi. Quran says know Allah can do all things, know Allah hears and has knowledge, and know Allah if Forgiving Merciful, know Allah is witht he muttaqin, know Allah is Aziz Hakim. Know Allah is Halim. Why is this important now with secular ideas? All these errors come back to is Quran and Sunnah source of legislation so how is it not relevant? 1 :50 :00 - (The Asharis say Allah's Hijab is figurative without proof, how is this any different then secularists who say Nisa's hijab is figurative?) Samani d. 480, Dhahabi said he was a Sh of Shafiya in Kurasan, the dispute between us and ahl bida is logic, they base their din on their in it, if religion was based on logic they wouldn't need revelation. Why do secularists say I look for Islam in this groups. Reason takfr isn't applied on them, many people don't know Kulabi belief as the hide it. Will Angels ask us if Allah is over the Throne? Ahl Sunna structured the din with itself, expanding what it means, as a reply to innovators who brought in man made structures. ibn Rajab fadl il ibad al kalaf, says scholars spoke little but now we unpackage. 2 :00 :00 - ilmul kalam is from atheists... Ebn Abbas, Mujahid, Abu Aliya's both in Bukhari's Tafsir. Sufyan Thawri praised Mujahid... ahl Kalam leave sahabas and go to a non Muslim. Ghayat ebn Ghuyut Salt, said Bishr took Iraq w/o a sword. They say Istiwa over means Istawla. They use pre Islamic poetry. ABR asked deobands in uk, do you believe Jarhat Tawhid, Sunusi's book, they say Yes I believe in it. Majority said don't know it! So why they argue for it. Abu Hamid Ismaili expose him and Abu Bakr Baqilani was made to wear niqab despite exposing xtns. Go to our books and be honest, ebn batuta lied on ibn Taymiyyah, use proper references/ Kulabis should be exposed even one on one, if Allah guides one person by you it's better than a red camel. 2 :10 :00 - Ebn Hanbal made tabdi from Khullabiya who Hasan Ashari learned from. Imam Bakr Kuazimah in Siyar Nubala by Dhahabi said, ebn Hanbal was hard on muharith Muhasabi. Ashari just made the Kullabis famous, Al Abu Nasr As Sijdi spoke againsr Kulabis in book Ar Radd ala Munkara harf wa Sawta page 100. Muhammad ebn Ahmad ebn Kuwais Misri Maliki, ebn Abdul Barr says in his kitab bayan he said, Imam Malik said testimony of ahl bida isn't accepted, they are ahlul hawa to us an Malikis, is Ahlul Kalam whether Kulabi or not, he shold be boycotted and disciplined! Ebn Qudama Muna tharat Quran pg 35, we don't know ppl of bida who hide their statements ilal zanadiqah and Kulabiya. Ebn Qudama, Tahrim wa NAthar fi kutub wa kalam says abu Ishaq maliki said to us innovators are ahlul kalam, kulabi/ Ashari or not! Abu Hamid Ismail Shafii was harsh on Baqilini that he would go out in a niqab. Abu Ismail Abdullah ibn Muhammad Ansari, subki also mentions in his tabaqat, he used to l'3n Abu Hasan Ashari, Abu Ismail Harawi left out narrating from Al Qadi Abu Bakr al Hadi. ebn Qudama and abu Umar, through Muhammad ebn Muhammad al Maqdisi, both studied under ebn Asrun Qadi al ASrun is an Ashari and left. Abu Umar told Asrun when asked why did you leave my classes, I heard you were an ashari and he said I am not an ashari and if you seek fiqh from me for 1 year you will be a scholar. Muhammad Hasan Shafri Qahtani in Nooniyah calls out Asharis Ebn Qayyim, Ebn Taymiyyah , Solomon ebn Sahman, Abu Taym, Imam Albani, Ebn Uthaymin, Sh. FAwzan all consider Kulabis ahlul Bida. 2 :20 :00 - Jahm took from Jaad from Aban ebn Sam'an who took from Talut from Labid Asim. Mutakalmin is Mutazilah and Kulabiyah. deoband only later added Bukhari workds Sahabas differred in furu not usul. Abu Hanifa made an error on iman possibly 2 :30 :00 - Some fans of Abu Hanifa justify Abu Hanifas mistakes. Bukhari refuted early hanafis, much of what is attributed to Abu Hanifa is weak. There is no regional aqidah. Muzdaffer Sam'ani was hanafi for 30 years and became shafi'i for 20 years. Says Ahlul hadith in india speaks the same as the ones in uk or Africa etc. Saying Ashari are majority is a claim Subki in mo'eed Nia'am mubeed nikham. 22 major Shafi'i Sunni imams. - Abu Bakr Abdullah Zubayr Qayraishi Mkki, has usul itiqad Ahlul Sunna. - Abu Yaqub Yusef Yahyah Qurasshi Buyaiti d 231h., says he should occupy my seat & his knowledge is beyond any and his position on khalq Quran is known and he passed in prison. - Ismail Yahya Muzani.d. 264 H, wrote Shar us Sunnah, al Imam Ahmad ebn Umar Suraij, ebn Qayyim bought his Aqida in Islamiya Juyush - Md ebn Ishaq Kuazimah, has a kitab Tawhid on Sifat. - Abu Mansur Md Ahmad Ansari, Kitab on Lugha Nawawi worked on. - Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibrahim Ismail, has kitab Itiqad Imam of Hadith - ibn Kathir said he is hafith - Ahmad ebn Abi Tahir Abu Hamid Isfai'i, ebn Kathir said he is Sh. Shafi. - Shahid Abul Qasim Hebatullahi ebn Hasan A RAziyu or Lalaka'ee and has shar usul Itiqad. - Ebn Qayyim praised him. - Abul Qasim Saad ebn Ali Zinjani, has a book in Aqida Abdur Razzaq explained it. - Abu Mudaffer Mansur Samanaai d. 489 H, Subki said he is imam of dunya... and he is proof of ahl hadith, has kitab qawatul adilah & kitab Intissar Ashabul hadith - Abu Al Hussein Masud Baghawi d 516 H, Ebn Qayyim said his tafsir Maaneh Tanzil is thorn of ahl bida jahmiya, and has book Shar us Sunna. - Abu Nuaym Abudullah ebn Hasan al Asfahani d. 517 H. - Ebn Qayyim mentions his aqidah in Juyush Islamiyah - Abul Hasan Abdul Malik al Karji d 513 H. Dhahabi mentions his aqida in Kitab Uluw, 2 :40 :15 - - Ismail ebn Muhammad Taymi, kitab Tarhib wa Tarhib & kitab Hujjah fi bayyan Hajjah - Imam abu Zakariyah Yahryah Ibrahim Salmani, d 550 H. - Imam Abul Hasan Yahya Khayran Amrani , kitan Intasar Radd Ishrar. , has kitab al bayyan Imam Nawawi quotes - Majudin Abu Fadail Yusef al Damashqi, has Qaseedah in Sunna - Abdul Qahir ebn Abdul Wahid ebn Muhammad at Tazi, has an aqida book also - Imam shamsudin Muhammad ebn Ahmad Uthman Dhahabi - al kitab Uluw Ghafar. - Ismail ebn Kathir d. 7774 Tafsir, and Bidaya wan Nihaya - Ahmad ebn Ali Maqrizi Misri d 845 H. , has kitab tajrir mufid. Zawd Khathiri would sIander ppl for Abu Hanifa. Why do ppl say I am Shafi'i or Abu Hanifa in furu and Ashari in aqdah.... this shows the 4 mathhabs are Sunni Athari. To say Imam Nawawi & ebn Hajr are Ashari is a kathhab or exxageration, they reject Quran being created. No taqlid in Tawhid. Bayjuri in debate, says ppl are disbelievers unless they look around, says Iman is tasdiq so it's a contradiction, they have belief Nadhar wa Intiqad and Imam NAwawi refutes that with hadith Muadh to Yemen caling to shahaada in Lisan Mizan of ebn Har came to Fakrudin RAzi said he gave a wasiyah that he repented. There is difference between people who say Quran and Sunna isn't evdence and those who do. Subki is card carrying Ashari, like Sharastani, Juwaini, ghazali, Baqilani, Muarraq. Mujahid ebn Jurah, did tawil Mutazilah in surah Qiyama... 2 :50 :00 - Sh. Usaymi said imam NAwawi repented from his Aqidah Ebn Atar is a noble student of Nawawi and he isn't Ashari, ebn Hajr said Razi did well to repent from Kulabiyah. Muhammad Burudin Zenki placed ebn Asakir Darul Hadith in Mimashq... Kulabiyah was aided to spread, what helped was they hide their Aqida. Ebn Qayyim summarized Naql before Aql, in his book Sahell Mursallah which is incomplete so read its Muktasar.
42:19- Ya Habibi, the Ashā'irah say the same thing. It's only an apparent conflict between the aql and literal meanings of the Nusūs. You agree with this 💯
" Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course, Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, Asharis guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah! Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 : He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation. Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism, ~~~ Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, *“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,* and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’ The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, *Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.* They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
I like the fact that brother Shahid is challenging Ustad Abdu Rahman. I don't understand why Ta'weel is wrong. Even Allah says, some of the ayats have ta'weel. Qur'an 3:7
Wow this was amazing MashaAllah the knowledge and memorization to be able to follow everything you say with examples is just wow. May Allah reward you for this 🙏🏾
1:28:25 Imam Ibn Qudamah رحمـه الله had some great work regarding this issue. He proved that Quran is letters and Allah speaks with letters and sounds
Abu Zakaria Yahya Ibn Sharaf An Nawawi and Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalan were both Ash’aris. This is according to Muḥammad Nāṣir ad-Dīn al-Albānī, the most quoted and famous Salafi hadith scholar. A major figure of the Salafi methodology of Islam. So was Abū Bakr Muḥammad ibn aṭ-Ṭayyib al-Bāqillānī. Al-Baqillani is often given the honorary epithets Shaikh as-Sunnah ("Doctor of the Prophetic Way"). Sayf as-Sunna ("Sword of the Prophetic way"), Imād al-Dīn ("Pillar of the Faith"), Nāsir al-Islām ("Protector of Islam"). So was Abu Hamed Al-Ghazālī, Hujjat al-Islam is an honorific title meaning "authority on Islam" or "proof of Islam. He is known as one of the most prominent and influential philosophers, theologians, jurists, logicians and mystics. The Ash’ari same as Maturidis say God’s essence are transcendence and can’t be known. In the Quran Allah says nothing is like God. We can only refer to him in the negative. There are five (صفات الصلبيه) negating what Allah is not. Allah’s transcendence "تَنْزيه". 1. Pre-eternal, no beginning. 2. Everlastedness, no end. 3. Self sufficient, no need. 4. Dissimilar, no like. 5. Oneness, no other. Allah’s immanence "تَشْبيه" The attributes of Allah are positive attributes, which are attributes of meaning, they are neither his essence nor are they seperate from his essence, Allah's attributes are established with his essence. His attributes are pre-eternal. There are 7 attributes that are taught in Ash'ari Aqeedah, and their meaning which are also 7. 1. Life, (1) the ever living. 2. Knowledge, (2) the all knowing. 3. Will, (3) the all willing. 4. Power (4) the all powerful. 5. Speech. 6. Seeing. 7. Hearing. Allah is neither connected to his creation nor disconnected from his creation.
This Is False. The Understanding Of The Ayat , "فَاطِرُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ جَعَلَ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ اَنۡفُسِکُمۡ اَزۡوَاجًا وَّ مِنَ الۡاَنۡعَامِ اَزۡوَاجًا ۚ یَذۡرَؤُکُمۡ فِیۡہِ ؕ لَیۡسَ کَمِثۡلِہٖ شَیۡءٌ ۚ وَ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡبَصِیۡرُ He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing. " Surah Ash Shura Ayat 11 Translation Saheeh International The Ayat clearly negates Tashbeeh (Resemblance) Of Allah Subahana WaTala with others. This does not entail that He does not possess Attributes that have a foundational meaning relatable to us. This is a quote to help Understood what The Arabs Of Rasulullahi SalaAllahu Ali Hi WaSalam time linguisticly thought of Tashbeeh. "Imam Ishaq bin Rahwaih (2) (d. 238 H.) said: «Tashbeeh takes place when one says (Allaah’s) Hand is like (someone’s or something’s) hand or similar to a hand; or (His) Hearing is like (someone’s or something’s) hearing or similar to a hearing. So if one says (Allaah’s) Hearing is like a hearing or similar to a hearing, this is likening Allaah to His creation [Tashbih]. However, if one says as Allaah the Most High stated: Hand [yad], Hearing [same’] and Sight [basar], and does not say “how”, nor say: like a hearing or similar to a hearing, such is not regarded as Tashbeeh, and it is as stated by Allaah the Most High in His Book: {There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.} [42: 11]. Sunan At-Tirmidhi (2/42) To claim that That The Ayat in Surah Ash Shura entails that concept of Transcendance is simply imposing one's understand to The Text.
The host is actually more objective and sensible then the speaker. AR is trying his up most best just to fit the Asha'ira through his lense and not accepting any other perceptions which the host is trying to bring, very poor. The quotations that are quoted are well out of context. for example lets take one: The quote regarding Imam Sanusi's in 6 point at minute 00:50. He mentions and quotes Imam Sanusi says 'that the Quran and Sunnah is needed with the light of al intellect or you will fall in tashbih'. so let me explain God says, he is all Seeing and all Hearing if these are taken without the light of intellect one will think God has an actual eye like a Human or a Ear. to dispel this idea. Imam Sanusi means when he says 'in light of the intellect' is that it is impossible for God (in the scenario given) to possess a limb i.e. Ear. The Quran and the Sunnah use words like hand, shin, eye etc if this was from without the intellect one can fall into whatever belief and become like the Christian that is: what is impossible (Muhal) they attribute to God. so AR opposes using the intellect so he take the hand being a hand, the hand is compounded (murakab) which is from the door of tashbih
Ajeeb So when you say "Allah has a Hand" I should think the opposite? What should I think? So if someone said "I have legs" My mind shouldn't automatically think legs or should?
So when definition of a hand is what my friend? 1. Kangaroo has a hand but not like ours but has a hand of some form. So what do you ascribe to? 1. That God has a hand but not like Our but still has a hand of some sort but we don't know how? Or 2. That the word hand is used but it is a sifa but we do not know the true meaning to it as he can't have a hand as a is compounded (murakab) Which out of the two positions do you agree with? What position do you ascribe too?
@Shafiullah Noory @Shafiullah Noory @Shafiullah Noory You said "we attribute to God the limbs as has attribute to himself" No where in the Qur'an and sunnah has God said he has a Limb or use the word limb. He uses the word I.e يد but now you have interpreted that to mean it is a limb. So you have give it a meaning so salafi do interpret the verses of the Qur'an. You also say "we affirm fingers, two hands and two feet but you say in the manner befitting God" So essentially you are saying he has all these limbs but you do not know how these are in shape or in look. This tajseem. I enter through the door of transcendence. That i reject that he has limb as limb is made up of parts جزء and God is free from that. God is not murkaba. We enter through the door of deferring the meaning to God. We affirm that a I.e يد is a sifa but meaning is known to God as it is mutashbi and not from the muhkam
@Shafiullah Noory hahaha this passage has really confused me as you have taken the word limb back which is fine the 2nd passage I didn't understand. Now I do not understand what you believe as you've taken the word limb back. Confused me So you believe God has two hand two legs and fingers they are not limb? But do they have a form but regarding the form we have knowledge about?
One question is when "use of mind or aql" is being mentioned regarding asharis, does it PRIORITIZE apparent LOGIC or apparently JUSTIFIABLE IMAGINATIONS only? Because many things like Quran being created, iman being static i.e. without any fluctuations, etc seems illogical and even the mind can be used to state that these are illogical
42:42- WHAT? The aql is limited according to the Ashā'irah and Māturīdiyyah. Haven't you learnt that the Ashā'irah say their is no hukm before the Shariah is sent ie we cannot make any legal rulings just with the aql before Allah ﷻ sends Wahyi. Don't you know that the Ashā'irah are the ones who showed the faulty rational premises of the Falāsifah and the Mu'tazila on issues like the eternity of the hayūlā and the consideration that attributes are parts.
@@imranchoate the ummah has been, is and will be ash’ari until the end inshaAllah. deviant groups like wahhabiya came and tried to misguide the ummah throughout the history but we ahlus sunnah existed without any affliction. one day, they and their lies will perish as well inshAllah
@@mamurolimov Indeed all deviated sects will lead to hell fire. May Allah aza wajjal guide us all to the straight path as practiced by Muhammad salalhi 'aliyhi wa salam and the Pious Predecessors (May Allah bless them all) long before Imam al Wahab and al Maturidi came about May Allah bless the Muslim who were upon the the correct Guidance! Ameen!
@@mobrown7751you idiot, the jama3ah is not the majority, the salaf used to say the jama3ah is one single person if his belief is true and everyone else is wrong he is the jama3ah…to your claim that would mean imam Ahmed was not amongst the jama3ah in his time since the jamhoor was mu3tazillah…fear Allah you donkey.
Asharis are from from ahlu sunnah because if we dont say so, many great scholars were be thrown away and its absurd since we are basically saying some abbasid caliphs were not sunni
45:39- To prove Allah's exist we have to prove Allah is Qadīm- this shows your incompetence in matters of aqida. How can you then refute the concept of ajsām and a'rād?
the amount of people are ashari is very scary, may Allah protect us and make us amongst those who follow Quran and Sunnah strictly and upon the guidance of the prophet(saws)
2:24:12 Imam ibn jerir Al taberi was from the salad + father of translators of Quran he was one of the the salaf he said that there is kilaf some of them said everything will disappear except himself others said everything will disappear except what he wants to stay, are you claiming that imam tabri is mubtedii and so on
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali first thing the one who did split tawhid was ibn taymiyah and the pseudo- salafis admit it and second in the translation of the istiwa ibn jerir at taberi said " ala aleyeha uluwu muluki wesultan weleyse ulu intiqal wezewal " which destroys the aqida of the hasewi or mijesima which are known today the najdis or wehabis and we all know that the pseudo salfis don'like tafsir at taberi which he made many tawil in his book
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali what are you going to show me I am at first a pseudo salaf who believe Allah is above his throne himself i mean zatuhu which the salafs didn't belive in that but now a.lilah i say istewa ale alarsh but not his zat so are u telling me to return to wrong path again lol😂
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali the great scholar abu mehasin gemalidin yusuf ibn ahmed adigwi almaliki said that " i have been brought about sployting tewhid into 3 and we will answer to this fabrication that splitting tewhid into 3 was started by ibn taymiyah which no one never known about ot before him and illogical too and the prophet never said when one embrace islam there is tewhid uluhiya tewhid rububya and asma wesifat neither the sehabas,the tabiin and atbau tabiin used this thing " نقد تقسيم التوحيد الى الوهية وربوبية( ١-٢)
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali 😂😂😂 u see i didn't say ibn taymiya invented the word i said invented the mustelah bring me one hadith that the prophet said it clearly that tawhid is splitted into 3
39:41- taking precedence of the outward meanings of the Nusūs in some places is kufr for example in Surah 'Araf 51- فَٱلْيَوْمَ نَنسَىٰهُمْ كَمَا نَسُوا۟ لِقَآءَ يَوْمِهِمْ هَٰذَا وَمَا كَانُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٰتِنَا يَجْحَدُونَ Translation- So today We will forget them just as they forgot the meeting of this Day of theirs and for having rejected Our verses. Do you believe Allah ﷻ forgets? If no, then you have given precedence of you aql over the outward meanings of the Naql.
@@50secs 1. The dhawāhir of the Qur'an is the literal meanings of words. Imam al-Razi was referring to the dhawāhir of the Naql having a apparent conflict with the aql, not the Naql itself as a whole. 2. There's no such thing as pure naql. The aql is always playing a vital role when we approach the naql. This "irony" in fact exposes the misunderstanding of the "salafis". There is no such thing as giving preference to aql over naql. I was using their way of thinking. قال الشيخ جمال فاروق الأزهري- نفهم الشرع بالعقل و العقل يهتدي بالنور الشرع Translation- Shaykh Jamāl Fārūq al-Azharī said, "We understand the Shariah by the aql and the aql is guided by the light of the Shariah".
That's scary when we come to know some of troubles on the fundamental thing of faith. I found so many arguments, and some of people love using aql instead of learning about the understanding of correct aqeedah. May Allah guides us all on the right understanding of this religion
7:45 -8:31 If you claim the rua or the dream was real then he has transferred from mutezila to ahele sunna so the second phase was authentic or resembles to the sunna if not he would had dream for the second time that his should correct his path again
The Qur'an encourages the use of intellect ('Aql). However, does it instruct us to rely solely on our reason? The Ash'ari school admits that the Qur'an and Sunnah do not provide clear evidence for their claims. How, then, can the Ash'ari claim to utilise reason ('Aql) effectively?
I have a question based from what I have seen over the years, is it an innovation and contrary to the Sunnah or worse that some people amongst the Muslims are discussing scholarly issues with lay people and as a result causing great confusion amongst lay people?
He was born 457. 1) either the sheikh misspoke 2) he really did mean that and the scholars do consider those generations to be from the salaf, he didn’t say Sahaba 3) oh btw… Al-Bayjūri in Tuhfatul Murīd says it lasts until year 500 AH.. awkward.
Can ustadh abdul rahman debate on the same issue with Sheikh asrar rashid? If you’re confident then why dont you accept sh asrar invitation to debate the same issue?
@@ammaare5561 sh asrar won da istighatha debate & here he s challenging Ustad abdul rahman or anyother salafis to debate on Asharis Vs salafis aqeedah (names & attributions), simple question, all the salafis r ready to debate on mawlid, tawassul all da time which is vry minor issue when it comes to aqeeda but why salafis are running away from debating the very fundamental aqeeda issue which is the names & attributions of allah awj? ruclips.net/video/g9GE1SXD2E0/видео.html
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud 😂😆 final punch is ‘if you believe these, then you’re also a mushrik’ 🤣🤣 i was wondering all the time dat .. the shallow minded, small brain people find wahhabism only suits their thinking capacity or .. once they adopt Wahhabism as their creed, then they loose the ability to think & becomes a puppet of muhammd ibn abdul wahhab? 😂 Ur claim s vry funny actually, at the same time it wasn’t only said by the sheikh ahmed raza khan, there are many. I ll briefly explain to u, “allah awj takes the soul we all believe but he created a malakul mouth an asbab a means to do it, same way , allah awj send down the rain but he asign a malak to fo the job.. r we committing shirk if we believe that malakul mouth takes the soul? No .. bcz as muslims we knw its done by allah awj, same way, allah awj is razzak, giver of risq, it doest mean he s giving evey individual foods from sky but he created asbabs.. so if u said ur mom provides u provisions does it shirkh? As muslims our belief is dat allah is doing these mentioned earlier by creating a means. Same way every person has a spiritual makam(station), the makam of prophet pbuh is higher than the angels & the makams of sahabah & tge makams of shuhada, then awliyas, mumins etc.. so when a mumins tries with all his efforts to become closer to allah awj , if allah awj wills then he raises his station. Accrding to their spritual makams allah awj may unveil to them the secrets of the universe which allah awj knws best. ‘Allah awj is not stingy on the unseen’ its been said in the many sheikhs book dat once allah awj has lifted someone’s makam as wali, then they r given to certain jobs to do in the universe which is hidden for eyes of rest of being, is it said only by sheikh ahmed raza khan, no.. its been said by many & many of the great imams & sheikhs in past. Look, a human according to his ability allah awj has given & the strenth of iman he can come down to the level of shaitan or he can go over the level of malakuth/angels. Allah awj’s knowledge & ability is endless , no one can go near to him by the abilities like raising dead, travelling earth is minutes or any other miracles which allah awj has given the ability to do so, why u ppl think in dis way is bcz ur aqeeda is very weak. Bcz u ppl likens the creations to allah awj, so whenver u hear a person do something miracle with the ability the allah awj given, u ppl go on street barking , relax urselves & think.. its all about ‘allah awj can give a person dat ability? Like flying? Or raising dead? Yes he can’ is it possible to allah awj ? Yes it is. Shallow mind will only observe everything as black & white, mushrikh or not mushrik 🤣islam is broad , it encompasses all the sciences, what all ur Wahhabism do is just narrowing down islam to a point where u ppl call it tawhid. Which is not. U should read many books written down by the great imams & ulamas in medieval periodof islam not only the book of tawhid written by ibn abdul wahhab. Open ur eyes & think wide. May allah awj open your eyes to see thinks broadly & advance u in hikmah
What about Salahuddin Ayyubi ra ? He was a staunch Ashari. The present day deviant salafi sect would have sided with crusaders against Salahuddin Ayyubi ra if they were present at his time. Even some of them support Zionists in their oppression over Palestinian Asharis. Asharis, Maturidis and Athari are ahle haq.
Akhi you have heard the pod and have been informed please bring proof against the evidence the Ustadh brought or change your ways. He’s quoting your own scholars and your still in denial Astaghfirullah
@@savo2kkHadith Muhammad SAW: Allah Ta’ala will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance’ Majority of Ummah and Ulema are Ashari, maturidi and hanbali in aqeedah not deviant salafi sect of this generation. I prefer Salahuddin Ayyubi ra interpretation of aqeedah according to Quran and Sunnah rather than this neo salafi sect of this generation.
MashaAllah, genuine session, beats debate videos by far. The kinds of ulama of the future that our kids will & should refer to. Let us & our generations benefit from their knowledge in their chest while all these Ustadz & Ustadzah are all young & teaching their best while facing a new different world now. It's supposed to be simple & easy, as Allah has made it for our beloved Prophet SAW, his sahabah & us laymen to understand, the aqal should not control the meaning of AlQuran, only AlQuran can control (GUIDE) the aqal. Without AlQuran, we would all be insane & lost. Alhamdulillah, majority in South East Asia, are Mazhab As-Syafie. May Allah unite us with all them Imaams in Jannahtul Firdausi Al-A'la.
Subhanallah this is brilliant. May Allah bless both of you. Wallahi Shahid did an outstanding job at probing and picking, resulting in a detailed analysis of the issue. Alhamdulilah beautiful. 🖤
what is it exactly that Deobandi promote or think which goes against Islam? I would like to know since my community is filled Deobandi. Jazakallahu hu Khair. Also am i allowed to go to a deobandi sholar to ask for advice?
They have blind following of Imam Abu Hanifah (May Allah have mercy on him), whose opinions they prefer over the proven Sahih Ahadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
@@shadab-hindi jazakallah hu khair, i was just watching a video on the hanafi school just now. This is all new to me, I need to learn with the help of Allah.
@@isioriginal1 May Allah be your guide and grant you a sincere heart. Alhamdulillah the Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hassan's lecture will help you really a lot. For the English speaking audience. If you are from the subcontinent i e India or Pakistan then please refer to the Ahle Hadeeth of your locality.
@@isioriginal1 The greatest Scholars of the recent past are: Shaykh Ibn Baaz Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen Shaykh Al Albaani (May Allah have mercy on them) Refer to the website: islamqa.info General Superviser: Shaykh Saaleh al Munajjid (May Allah preserve him) May Allah guide you.
37:35- Ya Shaykh, you have lied against the Ummah. You have lied against Imam al-Rāzī and all the 'ulemā of Ahl al-Sunnah. You have done tahrīf/distortion of the words of al-Rāzī. Here's the Arabic of what you are reciting from your desires. الرازي في أساس التقديس: اعلم أن الدلائل القطعية إذا قامت على ثبوت شيء، ثم وجدنا أدلة نقلية يشعر ظاهرها بخلاف ذلك، فهناك لا يخلو الحال من أحد أمور أربعة:... Imam al-Razi takes into consideration if there is conflict between the established rational evidences with the DHAWĀHIR/OUTWARD MEANINGS of the Naql. Not a conflict with the Naql altogether. This is the very mistake Ibn Taymiyyah did. The Ashā'irah say there is no absolute conflict between the aql and the naql. Only apparent conflict just as in Usūl al-Fiqh where we are taught in the chapter of التعارض that there is only apparent contradiction between the Nusūs, no real conflict. In addition, what is the dhawāhir of naql Imam al-Razi is talking about? When Allah ﷻ mentions yad in the Qur'an next to His Glorious Name, does it mean Allah ﷻ has a limb that has hair and flesh? NO. Even you agree with this. So you agree with the Ashā'irah. If you say yes, then be warned of Imam al-Shafi'i's statement that a Mujassim is a Kafir. Here's the Arabic of Imam Shafi'i's statement- قال إمامنا الشافعي رضي الله عنه "المجسم كافر" [الأشباه و النظائر للإمام الحافظ السيوطي]. Do not lie against the Imams of this Dīn.
You my friend fell into tashbeeh into liking allahs hand to the creation. Why did you straight away believe in the human hand that has hair and flesh. The clock has a hand but if I say the clock has a hand does that mean it has hair and flesh??? NO the clock has a hand, I have a hand, my hand the clocks hand is not the same. Same way. I have a hand allah has a hand. My hand and allahs hand is not the same
@@hamzaahmed5436 the Quran was revealed in Arabic, specifically the Arabic of the age of the Sahabah. The word اليد was not associated at that time with this new meaning of a Attribute called "yad". To understand more on how words are associated to their meanings, study a subject called علم الوضع and also the section of دلالات الألفاظ in Usul al-Fiqh. There are entire books that have been written just on that section of Usul al-Fiqh. Shukran.
the more abdul rahman explains and tries to debunk the ashariis, the more i found it profound and factual, and in line with the quran, may allah guide us all
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ and do you think we negative the verse?? i advise you to read the ashari texts, which salafis have copy pasted for centuries, and see the debates, the use of kalam, for good, agaist the modern day atheist, have an insight for god sake, and don't exclude anybody from ahle sunnah, by listening to some shaykh, allah bless you akhi
Ya Allah . I am so grateful for all that you've given me and I ask for nothing except this one wish. Please fulfill the wishes of all insan all humanity in this world. Syukur alhamdulillah. Salam from Malaysia.
Absolutely beautiful 😍 ❤ , even if this was 6 hours long I wudda watched everything, I dont know why u put a timer there was sooo annoying! , this is reason us athari don't know nothing , I'm learning something and suddenly timer comes on not good!! , this was soo beneficial , ustadh please do another video withoutl the interruptions!! I was so enjoying taking notes 📝 then suddenly the timer ⏲️ 🤨
I don’t understand the point of this. With all honesty, this is slander. Neither do you understand the Ash’ari positions, nor do you WANT to. You put your own student who is assumed to be less knowledgeable than you in the position of defending WHAT YOU BOTH BELIEVE TO BE A DEVIANT BELIEF. Akhi, where is your integrity? To not even have an actual Ash’ari there to debate you. Very disappointing.
Half of the podcast, he quoted your deviant scholars and books so that’s wrong? Please go pause the video and write all the evidence he gave down and go double check. May Allah preserve him for exposing the Ahlul Bidah, Ahlul philosophy(Ash’aris)
If Aqeedah is a developing thing, this denotes that even the prophet (pbuh) and his companions did not have a complete out of the box Aqeedah, which is totally false and misleading, this is not uniting, this is actually shattering! You can never unite wrong and right, this has to be black and white تابع قرآن وسنة وفاء أحمد سلف
Big SAMZ If i say "I am walking to my house" it goes without saying that I utilise my legs. This is what ahlul sunnah are saying today. All other groups would say I walked with my hands. Or will not know what "walking" here means. The reason aqeedah appears to be developing is because simple things like this have to be explained. No new concepts are innovated. They're explained
@@papac7940 because people aren’t sticking with what the prophet peace be upon him and the salaf came with. The creed of the Salaf is the creed of the prophet khalas final. We don’t need to step into dangerous lines and do taweel like the extreme sufis and the Sufi ashari and maturidi deobandis who like to play word gymnastics when it comes Aqeedah. Let’s accept what’s clear with the understanding of the Salaf and leave it at that Alhamdulillah.
Theres a middle-path tho, both have been developed and taken to extremes just for small details. Read this muslimmatters.org/2020/09/08/the-estranged-middle-way/
Assalamualaikum, im from Asharis school of thought, we learn and takes the theology according to Asharis. However, theres few differences from what are being taught in my country compared to asharis book. We said that quran is not created, its the word of Allah. My teacher also always said never put our logics before Quran or Hadeeth. Quran is kalamullah, which never be wrong, so we never put our mind first. For us Quran and Sunnah is our guidance and we should never go against or say this specific verse is wrong, contradict, have different wording and so on. Now got me wondering which asharis are we following 😅
As salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu Akhi kareem! I would advise you not to listen to him as he has severe mistakes in Aqeedah and we should take from someone who is from Ahlu Sunnah Wa'l Jama'a. Hamza Yusuf will explain Hadith according to his Aqeedah which is really dangerous. So I would advise you to stay away from him and take from trustworthy sources.
It would be interesting to hear from the scholars who do follow the Ash’ari creed, for comparison. These topics should be debates between scholars, not one-sided ‘arguments’.
Shaykh al-Islam Ahmad ibn Hajar 'Asqalani (d. 852/1449; Rahimullah), the mentor of Hadith scholars and author of the book "Fath al-Bari bi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari", which not a single Islamic scholar can dispense with, was Ash'ari. The shaykh of the scholars of Sunni Islam, Imam Nawawi (d. 676/1277; Rahimullah), author of "Sharh Sahih Muslim" and many other famous works, was Ash'ari. The master of Qur'anic exegetes, Imam Qurtubi (d. 671/1273; Rahimullah), author of "al-Jami' li ahkan al-Qur'an", was Ash'ari. Shaykh al-Islam ibn Hajar Haytami (d. 974/1567; Rahimullah), who wrote "al-Zawajir 'an iqtiraf al-kaba'ir", was Ash'ari. The Shaykh of Sacred Law and Hadith, the conclusive definitive Zakariyya Ansari (d. 926/1520; Rahimullah), was Ash'ari. Imam Abu Bakr Baqillani (d. 403/1013; Rahimullah), Imam 'Asqalani; Imam Nasafi (d. 710/1310; Rahimullah); Imam Shirbini (d. 977/1570; Rahimullah); Abu Hayyan Tawhidi, author of the Qur'anic commentary "al-Bahr al-muhit"; Imam ibn Juzayy (d. 741/1340; Rahimullah); author of "al-Tashil fi 'ulum al-Tanzil"; and others - all of these were Imams of the Ash'aris
@@pointdot094 ibn hajar and al nawawi are not ashari brother , yes in some things they did but overall they never adopted the ashari mazhab , you can see it in their tafseer of Hadith and fatwas . You brought many names but guess what , Imam Bukhari doesn’t have any ashari beliefs , Imam Muslim , Imam nisaii, Imam abu Dawood , Imam tirmizi, Imam tabari, Imam Ahmad , Imam Malik , Imam Shafi , Imam abu Hanifah , none of them agree or have any similar understandings of the asharis when it comes to usool , and aqeedah , or in understanding the sunnah , NONE ….and who I mentioned are above those who you mentioned in knowledge and in guidance. So what’s your point brother ? Who I mentioned should be the scholars you take your methodology from . Start with the top brother and you will see where the problem is .
@@Ameermensur80 Don’t call be brother. I really dislike salafees to begin with. If you know what a Dunning Kruger chart is, salafees are at the peak of stupidity. High confidence level but no knowledge. There are many ways you can educate yourself. We live at a time where knowledge is accessible Alhamdulillah. Don’t be part of the echo chamber. You’ve seen the transformation of Yasir Qadhi and other salafees who were sincere with Allah.
@@Ameermensur80 Here’s 85 lectures that are half hour each. This could be the beginning of the end of your ignorance. ruclips.net/p/PLkV-tEbsWhdO5M_DZDXzXMDriFD5MJwxf
And I am not too knowledgeable, so make note of that, but I do believe that you may have misconstrued some of the opinions of the Ash'aris. For example, I am quite sure that most of them _do not_ believe the Quran is created. It would be nice to have a knowledgeable Ash'ari on the podcast to see his point of view.
Brother barakallah fik . The sheikh is very knowledgeable on what he is talking about . You may understand where he is coming from because you are not while knowledgeable on ashari. This is not defending about your group it is about following quran and sunnah and the understanding of sahaba. Even if we say the ashari don't believe quran is created what about the names of Allah and other deviant believes they have. I advise brother look at this episode with open mind and without attachment with clear that you gonna stand infront of Allah you judgement. Fear Allah you gonna stand that you gonna against the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. May Allah guide us all to the straight path.
@Average Mo 1. It is bad because you are going against clear evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. Opposing the unanimous consensus of the salaf. What could be worse than saying about Allah that which Allah has negated. 2. When you say "both sides", who is on the other side? The salaf have unanimously agreed the Quran is not created. Since you have made the claim that there is support if you study the issue, this implies you have studied the issue. Please do provide these supporters and their supporting evidence. 3. We take our understanding from those who had the best understanding, who were present when the Quran was revealed, and whom Allah and then his messenger have affirmed their piety and truthfulness.
@Average Mo the evidence the Quran is not created is Quran 7 :54 - for Allah is the creation and the command! the Quran is from Allah and will return back to Allah in end times when the Quran will disappear from the pages on Earth!! it is saying Allah's speech attribute is created like creation, its why its disbelief.
Mashallah! Thank you for your content. I learn a lot from this.
I converted to Islam 4 years ago now and I was following the Ash'ari creed before but with more research it came to conclusion that the Athari aqeedah and the path of the Salaf is the correct way Alhamdulillah!
Fellow brother from El Salvador!
Mashallah may Allah makes those who die upon the correct path .
MashaaAllah, may Allah make you firm and steadfast upon the truth, and may He bless you and give you increase in beneficial knowledge, health, family and welath, Ameen.
@@bilalchow4683 You are on every comment sections, fear Allah Brother.
@@bilalchow4683 hahahhaa lion lol behave
@Witness Truth I hate to say this but the first people to write books on Aqeedah were the Salaf, and they refuted many sects who had deviated from the correct Aqeedah. Imam Ahmad wrote a very famous book called Usool al-Sunnah. I would recommend you read it. The term Aqeedah may not have been used exclusively, but it doesn't mean they aren't talking about Aqeedah. The Barelvis are misguided.
The way ustadh talks about these issues makes me want to seek knowledge
Yes bro, see kalemah channel ustaadh has classes their try to start from his essential classes.
I wonder how will you feel when you listen to the scholars of this ummah. And this is not possible except by learning Arabic so start learning Arabic and take his classes. Even u do this 30 minutes a day just start.
May Allah help us to do what pleases him.
@@abusaalih5211 Ameen.
@@bilalchow4683 I don’t think you’ve watched this video and just went straight to the comments
@@bilalchow4683 wow you are so lost
Quran has it all
Abdur Rahaman has a heck of a memory! Im a lil jealous! May Allah increase him(us all with Knowledge/Sincerity)! Wallahi! I smile every time! Hes like a Machine Gun! (Da! Da! Da! Da! Da!)Im still trying to memorize Quran! Make dua for me people!
Very good. How much have you memorized now?
@@knowledgeseeker1548 Surah Yasin and last 3 juz! I start Surah Hadid/Juz 27 after I read from Mujadillah to Nas from memory!
Allah make it easy for me! Im 47yr, 2 older daughters and a 3yr old son!
Everytime I begin reading he comes and jumps im my lap! But I read every day, after Subh and Maghrib!
Keep me in your dua!
@@Abrock730 excellent. I have memorized baqarah to tawbah and naas to ghaafir. So now going from Yunus to Zumar to finish, but keeping those 40 hizb strong while running my online coaching business is quite challenging. Alhamdoelileh
@@knowledgeseeker1548 ما شاء الله!
Its getting easier to remember (memorize) now! I have some other things memorized too! Sharh Thalatul Usool! Im gnna keep going as much as Allah wills! I have Muqbil Asbab Nuzul Tafisir too! So Im really learning the Surah too!
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته!
I dont FOLLOW Bro Hajji! I FOLLOW (رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم) The Prophet Muhammad! Sahabah(ر)... The fiqh of Imam Malik(ر)! I call myself muslim as Allah has called us in Surah Hajj 22:78!
I have no alliances to any tribes etc, Just Allah and His Messenger!
If you ask why I watch his vedioes (meaning I hear what he says(listening is also different), then thats a different question.
Im not into who LIKES who.
Nearly 3hrs long video with no ads, ALLAHUMMA BARIK!!!! This is from the blessings of Allah. So many beneficial points are mentioned in these podcasts👌🏿
Because they don't monetize it
I would love for Ustadh Abdul rahman Hafidhullah to speaker to this Ashari student who said this concerning this first video "I just finished the video, and every point the brother made was a misconception, half-truth, or outright falsehood. He was making rudimentary mistakes when trying to explain issues from beginner's level books, so he either doesn't know what he's talking about, but can get away with it because most viewers won't be able to tell, or is deliberately misrepresenting the Ashari school. In both cases he should fear Allah. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with Asharis, but any serious student of knowledge should value accuracy, objectivity, and fairness when transmitting opposing views, and be humble enough to not delve into issues he's not qualified to discuss."
@@purifiedpageshe literally used the Ashari books to prove their beliefs what r u talking about💀
@@Smz1sh akhi you speak too fast and ponder very little , what do you mean what am I talking about? I know what was presented in the video and I'm in agreement with it , But as I said I want the brother to clarify to this Ashari student the same thing .
@@purifiedpages my bad akh I read it wrong, I thought it was you putting that statement out. But u said it was an ashari student who said that.
I'm mid way through, but in case this hasn't been mentioned in the entirety of this video, *one of the best examples of where Akl alone was not sufficient* is the story of *Musa (AS) & Al Kidr.*
indeed !
its both nakl and akl
we literally have to use fitrah and akl to come to Islam in the first place. So Akl does matter
@@AC-mp7cx .. Totally agree. For the record I didn't discard Akl altogether, just recognising it's not entirely standalone 👍
@@AC-mp7cx if you watched the video, Ustadh said the same, we athari salafis dont say dont use akl, the problem comes when it comes in relation with nakl as asharis and others say, please understand, Barak Allahu Feekum
I like the way these episodes are nearly 3 hours...keep up the good work...
Allahumma barik so much hard work. May Allah reward them for every second they invest into their Dawah.
@@hopefulthatthingswillgetbetter ameen
🔴 When Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) was asked of his opinion of the one who says i do not know whether Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens or on the earth,
Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) said:
He has disbelieved, because Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) says: “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne”, and His Throne is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) seven heavens.
He was then asked, what if he said that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth he said, he has disbelieved. because he has denied that He (subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens
[Quoted in Al-Uluww of Adh»Dhahabi, also in Sharh Aqeedah At»Tahawiyyah of Ibn Abi AI-lzz AI»Hanafi]
🔴 lmaam Malik (Rahimahullah) said when replying to the one who asked, ‘How did Allah make lstawaa? (Ascension above the Throne),
Al-lstawaa is Known, and its how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and to question it is an innovation.” Then he said to the questioner, “i do not think except that you are an innovator” and he ordered him to be expelled.
[Quoted in AI-Asmaa was Sifaat’ Page #.516]
🔴 Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said:
The belief that I am upon, and I saw Our Companions, the Ashab-ul- Hadith (People of hadith) - like Imaam Malik and Sufvan and others - to be upon is:
Affirming the testimony that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) and that Muhammad (Sal-Allahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) is the Messenger of Allah. And that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His Throne. above His heaven. He comes close to His creation howsoever He Wills, and He (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Descends to the lowest heaven howsoever He Wills.
[Quoted in ‘Awn aI-Ma’bood’ (13/41), and ibn Abu Ya’la reports it in ‘Tabaqaat aI»Hanaabilaa‘ (1/283) with a chain of narration linked back to lmaam Ash-Shafi’ee.)
Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said on another occasion:
“To Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) belong Names and Attributes that occur in His Book and His Prophet informed to the nation. It is not possible for anyone to refute (radd) them. So the one who contradicts this after the evidence has been established against him then he is a kafir (disbeliever), and as for before the establishment of the proof then he is excused due to ignorance, because the knowledge of that cannot be attained through the intellect. So we affirm these Attributes and we negate tashbeeh (likening Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) to creation) as Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) negated it by saying, ‘there is nothing like Him.”‘
[Quoted in ‘Siyar A’Iaam an-Nubalaa’ (10/80)]
🔴 lmaam Ahmad (Rahimahullah) was asked: “Allah is above the seventh heaven, above His Throne. distinct from his creation, and His Power and Knowledge are in every place?”
He (Rahimahullah) replied:
Yes. above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place
(Quoted in Sharh Usool ilal‘tiqaad]
Assalamualaikum! His creation*
I really feel I'm worth nothing in front of this brother and am so scared to be amongst the 72 sects and I am not aware of it. This brother is a giant - may Allah keep him on the Truth and make us amongst the righteous. JZK.
In 1974, in Pakistan, 72 Muslim sects declared Ahmadi Muslims as non-Muslims. I am grateful because I am not part of the 72.
@@abdussalamsookia Wow, who knew there are 72 sects in Pakistan. Can you name them all for me? And their representatives who voted.
@@virtualwanderer
I am not aware that Pakistan has all 73 sects. I have the list but it is long. I am sure you can find the list online. I don’t know all the representatives who voted but only those who died a miserable or violent death; King Faisal (shot by his nephew); Bhutto (hanged); Saddam Hussein (hanged); Yasser Arafat (probably poisoned); Idi Amin Dada (died in exile); Colonel Gaddafi (lynched); It was a long time ago.
It was a charade. I have videos of scholars who say openly how the small delegation of Ahmadis defeated all the opposing scholars. But this was hidden from the public. Now, with the internet everything is in the open.
@@abdussalamsookia how are they all different sects? You said 72 sects refuted them so name all 72 sects
@@abdussalamsookiasorry for confusion, are you ahmadi?
May Allah bless Ustadh Abdur Rahman Hassan (حفظه الله) for explaining the true correct of the Sahaba and the salaf. And May Allah reward and bless him for exposing the false beliefs of the Ashari’s. Belief of the Salaf is the credal belief of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. We have the explicit verses of the Quran and explicit words of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the authentic hadiths and the authentic statements of the sahaba and authentic statements of the Tabieen and atbaa-tabieen and the 4 imams to explain clearly what the correct Aqeedah is. Aqeedah is not devolvement. Aqeedah is one which is the Aqeedah of the prophet and the sahaba. خلاص
What is devolvement?
What nonsense
@@abdullatiffabdulrahim6356 if you think it’s nonsense then duck out and go educate yourself properly and get a life pal. Do something meaningful during this pandemic instead of saying it’s nonsense with no substance to back up that claim of yours. Khalas.
@@realtalkdawah2747 non sense
Majority of Muslims were either asharite or maturidi's and only recently we have the salafiyah who want to say we can take knowledge from the sahaba like all the Muslims before them were not following the sahaba. Subhana Allah. Small knowledge is a dangerous thing. We have luminaries like Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali who was shafi'i and ash'ari and others who were followers of ahlul Sunnah wal jamaaca. Today we have so called scholars who cherry pick Islamic traditions and maligned previous well regarded luminaries of early Muslim scholars. There is a meddling with our Islamic traditional books by people with agenda here is the proof ruclips.net/video/8OJPZzSkvBA/видео.html.
Masha'Allah, great podcast. The guest is 100% right - all human ideologies rely on subjective reasoning, just like the group discussed, and they reject Divine Revelation when it suits their whims and desires. This is a much needed discussion.
Coming back to this video after sometime and it feels like it's new. So much information and education may Allah bless you all for the effort!
Truly hope that brother YQ gets to see this video, as he follows the ashari maturidi creed and is busy misleading sections of the ummah to this deviated path
I wish you guys kept doing this series. Knowledge is dying 😢
u in amau akhi?
Don't you think defining _ilm-ul kalam_ as "Greek philosophy" is a bit misleading? I mean Al-Ghazali specifically refuted the Greeks, yet he still partook in kalam.
@Ahmad Shaikh exactly bro on point barakallah fik.
the jargon and premises used by ilmul kalam are directly influenced by the Greeks and Aristotle but yea directly defining it as Greek philosophy would be a reach
@J A He died as an Ashari who followed the path of Tasawuff dissociating himself from worldly pleasures. Imam Ibn Taymiyah was wrong that he 'turned his back on the philosophy' or 'came back to ahul sunah' because he was already on it. All believers repent when they die including the great Ibn Taymiyah himself when you are close to death. To claim it was for the athari creed however is a myth perpetuated by insecure Atharis and modern-day Neo-Salafis
Ilm Ul Kalam of the Mutazili and other deviant groups was completely unacceptable. But the ilm ul kalam of the Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors
@@truthoverhappiness7338 "Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors
" - no , they were bidatis post salaf, and were a softer version of the mutazilahs who did tatil, but Khulab Asharis did tatil tahrif.
i think the "What’s Wrong with Homosexuality?" Hot Seat episode got taken down by RUclips
Subhanallah
You can still find the audio of that podcast (and the ones on hijrah) on other platforms if you google (like podtail.com/podcast/the-hot-seat/ ). I'd advice everyone to download from there while they still have the chance and to spread it, since these video's are unique gems compared to what is there in the English da"wah.
What happened to the hijrah episodes?
In the Hot Seat Playlist one video is deleted because of "hate speech" (might be the one about homosexuality and 2 got changed into privat videos. It would be great if the admins would upload their beneficial videos on another platform too besides YT (like their own website or something) other than RUclips because we know RUclips deletes content that goes against it's propaganda.
@@hopefulthatthingswillgetbetter How does one get in touch with these brothers? One should bring it to their attention to upload all their content on another site...I'm sure they could raise money for that. I would gladly contribute.
MashAllah, I like this method of engagement... Pushing the important issues in order to clarify issues of difference between Ahlu Sunnah and the other groups who try to active themselves to them... Keep up the good work! Salaam alakuum wa rahmatullah
Hes a fraudster ignore him he's sent the same message to everyone. Please report him immediately on YT so others are warned too!!
May Allah bless you this was a long time coming!
In our age, Ibn Taymiyya’s religious rulings is used selectively as the a tip of the spear to crash despotic rulers in the Muslim World, when if one studies his whole corpus of religious teachings, one finds he was dynamic and versatile scholar with nuance understanding of the Islamic tradition and jurisprudence.
To sum up Ibn Taymiyya’s treatise, the Muslim
community is obligated to fulfill the prophetic caliphate. However, no ideal caliph exists, and the Muslim community must make do with sinful kings whose rule brings far more benefit than harm. Ibn Taymiyya does not allow overturning prohibitions against things like eating carrion and drinking wine on a whim. However, he does think that it is not always possible to keep the law to perfection. It is thus necessary to do what most benefits the community in the overall circumstances. This is in fact the way of the Prophet, according to Ibn Taymiyya, and inasmuch as utilitarian reasoning is the very way of the Prophet, it is paradoxically the way to keep the law to perfection after all.
PUBLIC AUTHORITY AND THE LAW.
Whether or not a true caliph exists, Ibn Taymiyya expects the public authorities to take the lead in commanding the right and prohibiting the wrong. He grounds public authority (wilaya) in both scripture and rational argument. As for scripture, he interprets “authorities” in the Qur’anic verse, “O you who believe! Obey God, and obey the Messenger and the authorities among you” (Q. 4:59), to include both religious scholars and military and political leaders. His rational argument begins with the premise that human beings are communal by nature. They need to cooperate to attain benefits in this world and in the hereafter. Humans need leaders who both command and prohibit with those ends in view and have sufficient power and authority to administer justice and establish religion.
In this more philosophical spirit, Ibn Taymiyya sometimes speaks of justice (‘adl) as a kind of natural law. God supports justice wherever it is found, even among unbelievers. Ibn Taymiyya writes, “It is said, ‘God gives victory to the just state, even if it is unbelieving, and He does not give victory to the unjust state, even if it is Muslim’... This is because justice is the order of everything. So, if the affairs of this world are maintained by justice, they will endure, even if he who is responsible has no share in the hereafter” (MF 28:146).
Excerpt from: "Ibn Taymiyya" by Jon Hoover. Scribd.
Great explanation brother
I read imam sabuni's aqeeda book recently... alhamdullilah i m blessed to have the aqeeda of the salaf and sahaba...but this podcast was most interesting and knowledgeful....may Allah guide us all....
This video is an eye opener!
@@boejiden.11 If you have proofs against Ustad’s points, bring it. Or shut up and save yourself from hell fire.
22:09 Fiqh is completely different from Aqeedah. The Aqeedah of Adam (عَلَيْهِ ٱلسَّلَامُ) and muhammad (ﷺ) is same but the sharia is not same.
It would be best to invite an actual Ashari scholar and then hold this conversation. This discussion is one-sided unfortunately.
Abdur Rahman Hassan did debate Asrar Rashid in the past.
It's so rare to see scholars talking about the opposing views without slandering, mocking and backbiting. The shaykh did a good job of being truthful giving solid proof and staying on topic wa al Hamdu lillah
P.S. 1:00:00 is 100% facts
@Mo Brown The same Hamza Yusuf that openly said that there is no evidence for qabd in the salah, that shari'ah is obsolete, and Norway, Sweden are edens on earth?
And from who you hold that the jama'ah means the majority?
Also, you people are strange, why do you flee the part ما انا عليه و اصحابي ? Or are you conscious that this is not good for you. This particular hadith has many turuq and one of them that came in sahih at tirmidhiyy ليأتينَّ على أمَّتي ما أتى على بني إسرائيل حَذوَ النَّعلِ بالنَّعلِ ، حتَّى إن كانَ مِنهم من أتى أُمَّهُ علانيَةً لَكانَ في أمَّتي من يصنعُ ذلِكَ ، وإنَّ بَني إسرائيل تفرَّقت على ثِنتينِ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، وتفترقُ أمَّتي على ثلاثٍ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، كلُّهم في النَّارِ إلَّا ملَّةً واحِدةً ، قالوا : مَن هيَ يا رسولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قالَ : ما أَنا علَيهِ وأَصحابي
This hadith has many riwayat, so how can you dismiss them all just because you want your deviant sect to be the jama'ah.
Lastly, the jama'ah is us, the majority of Muslims haven't heard about abul hassan, or Al baqillani, or juwayni, the know only one qur'ān, the one which is recited, they affirm the caractheristics of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, and don't have shakk in his existence. As your scholars have established it, you have to doubt before affirming the existence, and as Al Ghazali also pointed out in his books, there's a tawhid for the 'awam and for the scholars, how can you then represent the majority?
@@cidsignor6047 excellent response
@@mobrown7751 so the verses of Allāh and the Prophet alayhi salaatu wa salaam's teaching are rubbish? Go wash your mouth verily it's worse than rubbish!!!
@@mobrown7751 ok Sufi Gufi Club Dancers 🤡
Yes finally! I always wanted to hear this specific topic!
1st Imam Ashari repented & became close to Athari writing al Ibana before death!
Salafis I know, say we don't liken Allah to his creation & affirm his Attributes as in Quran 42 :11 & 7 :180 - affirming Allah's attributes without likening. Allah is All Hearing & Seeing, & also we hear & see - so based on Khulab/"Ashari" logic Allah can't Hear or See! Aw'uthubillah!
Ahlul Sunni, here I mean, Islam or salafis teach 3 categories of Tawhid/Oneness.
1. Tawhid Rububiyah - Allah's Lordship or His actions as Creator etc. (Quran 1 :2)
2. Tawhid Ulluhiyah - Allah's Oneness in Godhood or being served as He taught (Quran 6 :162 & 163).
3. Tawhid Asma wa Saffat - Names and Attributes of Allah understood properly...
Category 3 has 4 sub pillars to understand Allah's (Tawhid in) Names & Attributes:
A) No Tatil or denial - Quran 7 :180. - Affirm Allah's perfect attributes!
B) No Tamthil or likening, - Quran 42 -11. - Affirm without likening.
C) No Takyif or questioning the how of the unseen - Quran 17 :36.
D) No Tahrif or distorting w/o evidence - Quran 7 :33.
(Hence directing implying any Tawil is Tawqif/Text based, Quran 3 :7)
Some of us believe tahrif may involve tatil as well of the apparent meaning.
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Clarifications on our view:
A) Salafis don't say Attributes of Allah mean an appendage of limb/body...
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote. - Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434).
I propose - They, Khulab/Asharis should be nuetral like Ibn Tamiyyah and say we don't say about Allah what isn't revealed & we don't know and affirm what Allah says, following Quran 7 :33 or they open endless shirk & division!
We affirm what Allah affirm and nuetral on what Allah hasn't mentioned!
Khulab Asharis don't affirm what Allah has affirmed and affirm what Allah hasn't mentioned! - this is enough to show their error!
For Khulab Asharis to differentiate attributes all of which Allah said to confirm, shows they are following someone other then Allah showing error! Usually greek philosophers who say bodies are temporary so Khulab Asharis use this logic & say therefore imply foreign logic is here = to Islam & this is wrong, we seek refuge from that!
They are also saying Allah's Attributes if true is then like creation so they fall into tamthil/likening they are running from showing internally who is right and Ahlul Sunnah is the middle path with no contradictions!
Allah is Creator, not like creation... Just like Allah's Hearing & Seeing isn't like ours, So Allah's Face, Hands etc. isn't like ours & for Khulab/Asharis to affirm Hearing and Seeing which in creation also only takes place in bodies shows their contradiction in logic as well. **Again one should just affirm Attributes & be nuetral on what Allah didn't say knowing He is Ahad/unique, incomparable like the salaf - & this is truly rejecting tamthil, & Ibn Taymiyyah reminds of this.**
for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that!
B)
Re: "directions" - We say what Islam teaches & don't add or subtract out of humbleness as there is nothing like Allah. Allah's High above the Arsh is a sign of Tawhid taught to the Muslim slave & even firaun in Sura 28 & 40...
Direct Evidence Allah is above His Arsh in the Farewell Sermon, Abu Bakr, Abu Hanifa etc.
1. ... I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator Jafar bin Muhammad) said: **He (the Blessed Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice.** (Bilal then) pronounced Adhan and later...
source : Sahih Muslim 1218 a - book of hajj/pilgrimage.
2. Aqida Tahawiya on Allah above the Throne (الْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ)
وَالْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ حَقٌّ -
The Throne (al-‘arsh) and the Footstool (al-kursī) are true.
وَهُوَ مُسْتَغْنٍ عَنِ الْعَرْشِ وَمَا دُونَهُ -
He is independent of the Throne and whatever is beneath it.
مُحِيطٌ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَفَوْقَهُ وَقَدْ أَعْجَزَ عَنِ الْإِحَاطَةِ خَلْقَهُ -
He encompasses all things and *He is above it,* and what He has created is incapable of encompassing Him.
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him said I am the most blessed salaf for you - Sahihayn!
Salafi Dawa is the path to the Sunna, Quran 9 :100... (Manhaj of Sahabas, 4 mathhabs, etc.)
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Point 2 :
Salafis reject Khulab Ashari view of rejecting the description of Allah & jahmiyah reject Allah's description of Himself & at times also try to redefine it going into another error of tahrif or speaking about Allah without knowledge or Quran 7 :33.
For examples Ashari say Allah's Hands means power violating Quran 7 :33. But Allah says He has 2 hands. does this mean He has 2 powers?
In Hadiths Allah created 3 things with His Hands, Jannah's plantings, Adam and the Torah.
So how about the rest of the world created by His power, see Quran 65 :12?
So the Ashari view contradicts Islam's teachings, but even before that the error they made is that they are not humble and accepting to Allah's words as he taught...
Also see this example...
When Allah asked satan why don't you prostrate to who I created with My Own Hands in Surah 38 :75? If Hands meant power satan could of said you made with with Your Hands as well oh Allah...
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In Summary : With regards to Allah's Attributes (Hands in Quran 5 :64 or Face in Quran 75 :22, or Shin in Quran 68, or Eyes in Quran 54 etc.)
Salafis - Affirm (no tatil), without likening (tamthil) leaving takyif/modality...
for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that!
To change the meaning of something from the unseen needs evidence from text as only Allah reveals the unseen as He wishes (Quran 6 :50 etc.)
As the hadiths say Allah made us in His Image in His will, not the other way around.
Asharis type 1 (tahrif) - do tatil and tahrif/tawil (violating Quran 7 :33), denying the apparent and say about Allah what they don't know or... for them to even imply they can do ijtihad is to violate not doing takyif (Quran 17 :36) & only agreeing with Salafis on not likening Allah.
Ashari type 2 (tafwid) - do tatil (violating Quran 7 :180) of the meaning but agree with the salafis on not likening or rejecting tamthil and tawil or leaving the takyif/modality!
sometimes they say we deny outward meaning for another outward meaning but leave the kayf to Allah, thats a contradiction unless you want to either agree with salafis on outward meaning or
... say their is a secret meaning tahrif violating Quran 7 :33 & Quran 5 :3 that Islam is complete, as Islam is a clear and open religion, showing you open up doors to make up lies on Islam limitlessly and this is the danger of the khulab Ashari bida!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 no your wrong salafis literally say Allah has a right and a left hand and both hands have fingers.
I tried to listen with an open mind but he was saying anything. Ashari for life Allah is nothing like his creation.
@@m4fital2 "both hands have..." so do you reject Qur'an & the Salaf?
Qur'an 38 : 75 - (Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with **Both My Hands.** Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?" - ... even satan didn't say oh you created me with your Hands if it meant power...
@@m4fital2 " Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course,
Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, you guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah!
Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 :
He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation.
Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism,
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Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, **“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,** and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’
The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah.
However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, **Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.** They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
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In the book of Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar I have, the translation doesn't say "unknowable modality", it says "without description"
Can you point to me the Arabic that says "unknowable modality" in the quote of Imām Abu Hanīfa?
Alhamdulillah this was much needed May Allah reward you my brothers ameen
How come a man memories so much of knowledge. Wonderful, allahumma barikk.
I thought he was reading from a screen (when watched earlier videos). Impressive. Masha Allah.
تبارك الله
Iklas and knowledge, speaking with sound proof, May Allah bless the shaykh.
IMPORTANT POINT-
There is a difference between the intended meaning of the Quran and Sunnah and the outward meanings of the Quran and Sunnah. This is why Imam al-Shafi'i said-
«آمنت بالله، وبما جاء عن الله، على مراد الله، وآمنت برسول الله، وبها جاء عن رسول الله على مراد رسول الله».
Translation- I believe in Allah and in what has come on the authority of Allah upon the meaning He intended. And I believe in the Messenger of Allah and what has come on the authority of the Prophet upon the meaning he intended.
Imam Al-Shafi'i did not say the "outward meaning" but the "intended meaning".
conclusion is simple, this salafi/athari versus ashaari/maturidi conflict if not curbed and find harmony, fanatics will turn this into a global inter-Muslim war near future.
Harmony is very simple, following the Qur'an and Sunnah with understanding of the Sahabah RadhiAllahu Anhum dear brother.
Nope
What is the name of the reciter in the beginning?
Ustadh Abdur Rahman hassan
Look at the gems this brother dug out from the syaikh..
Baarakallaahu fiikum
It is so ridiculous that when atharis confront shias ,they say sunna are the majority of muslims ,but when confronting asharis ,they deny that asharis belong to Sunna ,even if they are the majority of muslims.ما لكم كيف تحكمون
Lol Majority of muslims don't even know meaning of Ashari
What are you on about??
@@filmyfun1what is meant is that majority of the teachers of the deen are Ash'ari or Hanafi.
@@1399-z4r in your dream they are majority
@@filmyfun1 are you stupid or what? You mean to tell me that in the Indian Subcontinent, Sham, Iraq, Central Asia, the Maghreb, and Southeast Asia they've been taking from your scholars for centuries instead of Ash'aris and Hanafis?
Mashā Allah ustadh abdurrahman is very patient toward shahid. May Allah increase his knowledge. Barakallahu fiikum. Jazākumullah khayran
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Evidence that this argument is currently accepted or how many Ashari themselves refuted it = 404 in this video
May Allah make AbdulRahman hassan the first certified ‘alim of ahlu sunnah from the uk
Ameen
@@bilalchow4683 are you being serious lol ustadh abdur rahman schooled asrar rashid. Ill never forgett that debate lol
Loool Asrar got sent back to "darul uloom" again in that debate
Asalam-alaikum, is the brother on the right supposed to actually be an Ashari or is he a Salafi who is playing "devil's advocate" for the purpose of having a discussion?
Devil's advocate.
This time brother Shahid really put Ustadh on a Hot Seat by setting a time limit.. phew !
Have to give credit to brother shahid who asks the pressing questions to gain a further understanding from a layman’s prespective, because we don’t hold the lim ustadh does, so the lim really needs to broken down for us.
There are several points that probably needs some further clarification.
We don't have a proper Ash'ari scholar rebutting. Also we will need to know what is that scholar's stance in Ash'ari.
I guess the video will easily be 10 hours if that's the case.
As somebody that has not much knowledge, I won't be easily calling others as deviant, things as bid'ah and join this quarreling against each other.
I am just a muslim and I try to do and perfect the basics of Islamic teachings.
As an Ashari I can say he got some stuff wrong
@@m4fital2 exactly ….
ash’ari goes over many of their heads then - he breaks it down as basic in a nonsensical way, as if its a form of heresey ……
btw,
did he know that ibn taymiyyah (the great scholar against this form of aqidah) actually reversed his decesions on Ghazali for instance in his last few books that weirdly nobody knows about???? plus, its tough to be a shaf’i and a salafi?? think about it - salafi takes the same reasonings of hanbali jurisprudence - which takes WEAK hadiths OVER reasoning and judgement based off the qur’an and sunnah, which is contrary to Shaf’i
in fact, salafi isnt even technically aqidah - its just part of the traditionalist creed of imam hanbal known as “traditionalist creed/aqidah” - so while yes, it follows this creed - so one can say salafi is an aqidah, its really just a “sect” of hanbali jurisprudence - and I have no problem with salafi, but wahhabism is grown off strict non reasoning aspects of salafi - though its unfair to call a salafi a wahabbi - as there much different- but all wahhabis are salafist
ash’ari does NOT move away from the Quran or Sunnah in fact it looks at it deeeep without going astray and staying within the boundaries - its a science in its own right from an external AND INTERNAL way of looking at Allah (swt) and his prophets …. - read Al-Ghazali please, instead of hearing what others say and form your own opinion (start with part 1 Ihyā’ ‘ulum al-din) , a pure shafi’i who honestly might have been over shaf’i in terms of knowledge - the amount of books he wrote (over 300) and more is just one aspect of his knowledge and HAD great respect for all four major - there is reasons why he is nicknames the “proof of Islam” - he alone can convert someone alone through his way of bringing the Quran and Sunnah into a simple but complex (paradoxical) way that shows anyone how its in your inherent threads as a human being
You have a good point
@@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY he has this idea that our logic can’t be used to prove Allah existence even those every Ash’ari knows that Allah exists. I mean I’m assuming salafis don’t give dawah then because how are they going to prove to a non Muslim that Allah exists.
The definition of proving is demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.
@@MG-kt1nv it’s really funny because Ibrahim AS literally used mantiq to realize the existence of Allah swt
To be completely honest: I'm Athari and I know many "Asharis/Maturidis" atleast by the way they are labeled(like Deobandis/Azhar students and others) and none of them hold even one belief that Abdur Rahman Hassan mentioned. None of them believe Abu Talib was a Muslim, or that Iman and a3maal have no connection or that we take the aql over the clear text or we don't have to say La ilaha illah or that Irja isn't innovation or the Qur'an is created or that Allah has only 7 attributes.....
The only thing that slightly fits them is that they have tafweed on some issues like Yad and wajh. So to label them the Asha'ri the way Abdur Rahman Hassan just described is completely wrong, they would be more like Nawawi and Ibn Hajar who made slight ta'weel on some of the names and attributes of Allah
Both sides do this, they say atharis do tajseem and give a few quotes
an Nawawi and ibn Hajar weren't Ashairah, they didnt fill up the usuul of the Ashairah. They only had 1 of the Usuul which was the ta'wil. They were Athari Alhamdulillah.
@@AIMMONSTA That's what I said, read my post again
Brother, there is a difference between what the laymen Ash'ari say from hearsay and what the complete Ash'ari creed with its foundations and principles is according to the ones who laid the foundations for it and how it is thaught to their students of knowledge.
This is like saying that you know Shia that don't say Abu Bakr and Umar radiallahu anhuma are Kaafir, they only believe that Ali should have been first Caliph. Does this now negate that their heads of the Twelvers do Takfīr of every Sahabi except 4 and that they ritually curse the Sahaba, especially those who learn the creed from their scholars.
I hope you understand the difference. And by the way, the Ustadh made the distinction between the normal layman Ash'ari, whom he believes are sincere people who would reject these believes if they came to them, and the students who learns and spreads this Aqeedah.
@@AIMMONSTA An Nawai was definitely ashari, read his views on these issues, he defended every ashari position out there.
Islamqa has a fatwa or it, but you don't need it, just read his views, he was 100% ashari
Aqida is 6 pillars of faith (& similar word in Quran 5 :89)
Aqida has included iman & imama.
ahsaris refer back to HAsan Ashari (really kulab) and he goes back to Musa Ashari, he was born in basra in 260 H., his father Ismail was from Ahl Sunna,, he spoke to an imam Zakariya ebn Yahya Sajji , and was a shafi Scholar, and wrote ilal Hadith. he d. 307 H.
His mother married Abu Jubaei Mutazili. He changed the view of Hasan al Ashari for 30 years until he was 40.
He had a dream, ibn Asakir wrote he had a dream he was to return to the sunna by the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him.
He had a debate withhis step father whi he felt was misguided.
Imam Shafi had a strong view against ilmul kalam of mutazilis he followed.
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So Imam Ashari refuted Mutaziliah and followed Khullab. then he later joined Ahlul Sunna.
Ibn Kathir mentioned, ibn Asakir quoted Usul Dayana by Ashari as Imam Ashari returned to sunnah but kulabi mid life Asharis don't like this.
Abu Bakr Baqlani made logical arguments for mathhab and gave conents,
Juwaini got closer to Mutazilah and weakened Asharis (he wrote Shamin fi usul din)
Big difference between the two here.
In tamhid awail talkis dala'il... tabha 2 daras come out, Abu Bakr Baqilani says Allah is over His throne and debunks the others, then tamhid book takes that out.
Juwaini denies Allah is over His throne. He wrote irshad iqwat adalilala shamil usul ad din.
Abu Hamid Ghazali merges souphism and Kulabbiya, and put there is contradiction etween text and logic.
Razi wrote ...
Ibn Taymiyyah wrote Naql Qableh Aql.
Razi and Ashari don't agree.
Dhahabi speaks of Imam Shafii...
ilmul kalam is greek philosophy or plato and aristotle and mixed it with Islam (like Qadriyah took maJEWsi philosophy on Allah's Siffat is wrong).
they say way usul al fiqh is for fiqh, they say ilmul kalam is for aqidah,
Madafar samani has a nice statement refuting that and abul Qasim has it in his book,
Ismail harawi has a book thalmul kalam.
Shafi debated a man named hafs al fard, he said for an imam to error is better for him to speak in ilmul kalam.
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If an imam of sunna errors he still gets a reward, if he uses ilmul kalam he's ahl bida.
Imam Shafi says ilmul kalam is most hated.
Dhahabi said doing a mistake in fiqh/furu is not the same as an error in Aqida/usul.
There is usul and furu, bulk of Aqida is usul, bulk of fiqh is furu.
5 daily salat is usul. Most of Aqida is ijma'a.
Kilaf means differences, we differ with the ahl kitab, mushrikin, Jahmiyah...
Ijtihad is a type of differences.
Quran & Sunnah and ijma'a agree, you can't oppose it except you are a zindiq.
Quran 4 :115 those who oppose the believers Allah will leave them on what they are on and leave them on their path to jahunnum.
Aqida Raziyayn speak on Aqidah Ansar.
Qawam Sunnah, Abul Qasim Taymi Asfahani, talks about consensus. Not a group of Hanbali, or Shafi, or Malikis or Hanifis, but all across.
Sharus Sunnah Abul Qasim Hibatullah Imam Lala'kaee Usul Itiqad Ahlul Sunnah,
Also in Aqida Salaf Ashabul Hadith Sabuni,
Abu Bakr Ismail has Itiqad Imams of hadith
Al WAsitiyah by ibn Taymiyyah!
Ibn Rajab in Jamu Ulum Hikma, sunna means a path, so hold onto the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him and the 4 Rightly guided Caleefs.
Quran 7 : 3. Follow, [O mankind], what has been revealed to you from your Lord and do not follow other than Him any allies. Little do you remember.
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Imam Qurtubi says an mathhab is your awliya then.
bn Kathir says this means follow the illiterate one.
Quran 9 :100 connects with Abu Dawud 4607, Sunna
This umma will break into 73 sects. 72 go to jahnnum, so they don't have small fiqh differring.
SO we are also to follow the sahabas as ahlul sunnah wal jmam'ah.
Kulabiya don't agree with using Quran and Sunnah and Sahabas as proof, they are jahmiyah.
Razi has book tassis ul taqdis, he says Illam or know, clear logical arguments, if it proves reality and we find Quran and Sunnah opposing... we have 4 situations.
1. Affirm Quran and kalam when they oppose - this makes no sense.
2. Reject Quran and kalam when they oppose - this makes no sense as we will do one
3. Take Text Quran & ignore kalam when they oppose - this is wrong.
4. Reject Quran for our own knowledge - do it but do tawil to accept Quran.
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He made Aql or man made ideas the standard.
Does this contradict Quran telling us to use Aql.
Quran is agreed with by sound Aql.
Aql has restriction like our eyesight.
Kulabiyah have errored (in not letting Quran and Sunna which is perfect define itself but mix it with manmade ideas and leading to contradictions and divisions - Quran 4 :82)
Kulabiya/mutakalamin tried to prove Allah's existence by saying Allah always existed and took it to Allah's Attributes.
Sunusi says who claims path to know truth is Quran and Sunna and haram other ways, you can refute them.
Sunisi d. 589 H. shar al kubra says disbelief is 6, and 6th one is holding onto Quran and Sunnah and this is why hashawiya did tashbih.
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Know hukm Akleh in Aqidah, they don't believe of Quran in Sunna in Aqida.
Fitrah brings us to the truth, but to know Allah with tafsil that is due to Quran.
Quran 42 : 52. And thus We have sent to you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) Ruh (a Revelation, and a Mercy) of Our Command. **You knew not what is the Book, nor what is Faith?** But We have made it (this Qur'an) a light wherewith We guide whosoever of Our sIaves We will. And verily, you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم) are indeed guiding (mankind) to the Straight Path (i.e. Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism).
Gharid al Bayiyah Abul Barakat Ahmad ebn Md, ebn Ahmad ad Dardi, said same what Sunisi said.
Shar Ahmad Sawi in Jalalayn, on Surah Kahf, it's from usul Kfr to hold on to riwayah wa nusus.
This subject of Aqida doesn't need Aql.
Bayjuri risala ilmul Tawhid, kulabis call him Shaykhuul Islam.
He says evidence Allah exists is existence of creation.
they speak about incidence,
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Kulabis use very little Quran and Sunna because they have shirk pre conceived notions!
You saying just aql allows ignorance and open door to isil.
Bukhari me 1k imams saying Iman is speech adn actions.
Ayat when believers hear Quran recited it increases their iman. They establish prayers (actions) and give zakat, they are the true believers.
Baqilani says Iman is beleif in the heart.
Hadith iman is 70 odd bracnhes, highest is saying La ilaha ilalah, removing something from the road, & shyness is Iman.
(So Asharis contradict Quran as Murjiah)
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Burhanodin, Ibrahim Harun Lakahoni, he has book juharu tawhid, Baijuri has a shar, - big AShari works in Somalia.
Iman is just tasdiq to them, and dispute if shahada matters.
This is why Asharis say Abu Talib is a believer.
Kulabiya say Quran is created.
Kulabis say we affirm 7 which is bad enough, and kalam is one, but they say it's internal speech not as Quran & hadith says.
They say the Quran is created.
Ayat. Allah spoke to Musa,
Quran 9 :6 - let the mushrikin hear the speech of Allah if they seek protection.
Ayat they want to change the speech of Allah
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Allah yelled to Musa, how if this not external.
Calla Rabbee Jalalahi ayat - Zechariah said you won't be able to speak and will have to use signs. - this shows Speech is with sound.
Bukhari , Allah will speak with sound on judgement day, oh Adam...
Bayjuri says speech is not harf & sound
Abu Bakr Baqilani is mutaqadimin, says speech of Allah isn't harf and sound
Ghazali in iqtisad itiqad, says same,
shrastani says the same from Hasan Ashari.
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Sharasani says AShari says speech of Allah is one commands, qabr, speech of Allah is one.
He says thw words angels convey are created, while speech within Allah is uncreated.
Bayjuri says in shar jaraut Tawhid, taftul murid, know There is 2 Kalam, Kalam Nafsi Qadim is uncreated but the Quran we have Allah created that.
He says its wrong to say Quran is uncreated in public as it may include Quran nafsi but Quran with us is created.
Burda says Quran isn't worthy to be with Muhammad, and Quran is would bring to life... acc. to Bayjuri.
Says Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings eb upon him is best of creaion and better than the creation of Quran which we recite...
Kulabis say mutazilah should just say Quran with us is created.
Md Saeed Ramadan Buyuti, says he has 4 proofs for Allah's existence, they speak about difference between them and mutazila.
Kitab shar Aqiad saffiyah by sajudin tazani or kitab sarf Baqilani, they speak of difference between them and mutazilah.
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Saying Quran is created is saying Allah's Siffat is created.
Imam Ahmad said in Khalf al ibad by Bukhari says those who say Quran is created is a disbeliever.
He speaks of acts of creation being created there as well.
We were created to know Tawhid, Quran 16 :36, Nuh said you have no ilah but Allah, Hud say you have no Ilah but Allah.
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him fought for that in hadith, Muadh was told La ilaha ilalah first.
Ubay is a Qari, Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him said the greatest verse is ayatul kursi.
Quran says know Allah can do all things, know Allah hears and has knowledge, and know Allah if Forgiving Merciful, know Allah is witht he muttaqin, know Allah is Aziz Hakim. Know Allah is Halim.
Why is this important now with secular ideas?
All these errors come back to is Quran and Sunnah source of legislation so how is it not relevant?
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(The Asharis say Allah's Hijab is figurative without proof, how is this any different then secularists who say Nisa's hijab is figurative?)
Samani d. 480, Dhahabi said he was a Sh of Shafiya in Kurasan, the dispute between us and ahl bida is logic, they base their din on their in it, if religion was based on logic they wouldn't need revelation.
Why do secularists say I look for Islam in this groups.
Reason takfr isn't applied on them, many people don't know Kulabi belief as the hide it.
Will Angels ask us if Allah is over the Throne?
Ahl Sunna structured the din with itself, expanding what it means, as a reply to innovators who brought in man made structures.
ibn Rajab fadl il ibad al kalaf, says scholars spoke little but now we unpackage.
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ilmul kalam is from atheists...
Ebn Abbas, Mujahid, Abu Aliya's both in Bukhari's Tafsir. Sufyan Thawri praised Mujahid...
ahl Kalam leave sahabas and go to a non Muslim.
Ghayat ebn Ghuyut Salt, said Bishr took Iraq w/o a sword. They say Istiwa over means Istawla. They use pre Islamic poetry.
ABR asked deobands in uk, do you believe Jarhat Tawhid, Sunusi's book, they say Yes I believe in it. Majority said don't know it! So why they argue for it.
Abu Hamid Ismaili expose him and Abu Bakr Baqilani was made to wear niqab despite exposing xtns.
Go to our books and be honest, ebn batuta lied on ibn Taymiyyah, use proper references/
Kulabis should be exposed even one on one, if Allah guides one person by you it's better than a red camel.
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Ebn Hanbal made tabdi from Khullabiya who Hasan Ashari learned from.
Imam Bakr Kuazimah in Siyar Nubala by Dhahabi said, ebn Hanbal was hard on muharith Muhasabi.
Ashari just made the Kullabis famous,
Al Abu Nasr As Sijdi spoke againsr Kulabis in book Ar Radd ala Munkara harf wa Sawta page 100.
Muhammad ebn Ahmad ebn Kuwais Misri Maliki, ebn Abdul Barr says in his kitab bayan he said, Imam Malik said testimony of ahl bida isn't accepted, they are ahlul hawa to us an Malikis, is Ahlul Kalam whether Kulabi or not, he shold be boycotted and disciplined!
Ebn Qudama Muna tharat Quran pg 35, we don't know ppl of bida who hide their statements ilal zanadiqah and Kulabiya.
Ebn Qudama, Tahrim wa NAthar fi kutub wa kalam says abu Ishaq maliki said to us innovators are ahlul kalam, kulabi/ Ashari or not!
Abu Hamid Ismail Shafii was harsh on Baqilini that he would go out in a niqab.
Abu Ismail Abdullah ibn Muhammad Ansari, subki also mentions in his tabaqat, he used to l'3n Abu Hasan Ashari, Abu Ismail Harawi left out narrating from Al Qadi Abu Bakr al Hadi.
ebn Qudama and abu Umar, through Muhammad ebn Muhammad al Maqdisi, both studied under ebn Asrun Qadi al ASrun is an Ashari and left.
Abu Umar told Asrun when asked why did you leave my classes, I heard you were an ashari and he said I am not an ashari and if you seek fiqh from me for 1 year you will be a scholar.
Muhammad Hasan Shafri
Qahtani in Nooniyah calls out Asharis
Ebn Qayyim, Ebn Taymiyyah , Solomon ebn Sahman, Abu Taym, Imam Albani, Ebn Uthaymin, Sh. FAwzan all consider Kulabis ahlul Bida.
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Jahm took from Jaad from Aban ebn Sam'an who took from Talut from Labid Asim.
Mutakalmin is Mutazilah and Kulabiyah.
deoband only later added Bukhari workds
Sahabas differred in furu not usul.
Abu Hanifa made an error on iman possibly
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Some fans of Abu Hanifa justify Abu Hanifas mistakes.
Bukhari refuted early hanafis, much of what is attributed to Abu Hanifa is weak.
There is no regional aqidah.
Muzdaffer Sam'ani was hanafi for 30 years and became shafi'i for 20 years.
Says Ahlul hadith in india speaks the same as the ones in uk or Africa etc.
Saying Ashari are majority is a claim Subki in mo'eed Nia'am mubeed nikham.
22 major Shafi'i Sunni imams.
- Abu Bakr Abdullah Zubayr Qayraishi Mkki, has usul itiqad Ahlul Sunna.
- Abu Yaqub Yusef Yahyah Qurasshi Buyaiti d 231h., says he should occupy my seat & his knowledge is beyond any and his position on khalq Quran is known and he passed in prison.
- Ismail Yahya Muzani.d. 264 H, wrote Shar us Sunnah,
al Imam Ahmad ebn Umar Suraij, ebn Qayyim bought his Aqida in Islamiya Juyush
- Md ebn Ishaq Kuazimah, has a kitab Tawhid on Sifat.
- Abu Mansur Md Ahmad Ansari, Kitab on Lugha Nawawi worked on.
- Abu Bakr Ahmad Ibrahim Ismail, has kitab Itiqad Imam of Hadith - ibn Kathir said he is hafith
- Ahmad ebn Abi Tahir Abu Hamid Isfai'i, ebn Kathir said he is Sh. Shafi.
- Shahid Abul Qasim Hebatullahi ebn Hasan A RAziyu or Lalaka'ee and has shar usul Itiqad. - Ebn Qayyim praised him.
- Abul Qasim Saad ebn Ali Zinjani, has a book in Aqida Abdur Razzaq explained it.
- Abu Mudaffer Mansur Samanaai d. 489 H, Subki said he is imam of dunya... and he is proof of ahl hadith, has kitab qawatul adilah & kitab Intissar Ashabul hadith
- Abu Al Hussein Masud Baghawi d 516 H, Ebn Qayyim said his tafsir Maaneh Tanzil is thorn of ahl bida jahmiya, and has book Shar us Sunna.
- Abu Nuaym Abudullah ebn Hasan al Asfahani d. 517 H. - Ebn Qayyim mentions his aqidah in Juyush Islamiyah
- Abul Hasan Abdul Malik al Karji d 513 H. Dhahabi mentions his aqida in Kitab Uluw,
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- Ismail ebn Muhammad Taymi, kitab Tarhib wa Tarhib & kitab Hujjah fi bayyan Hajjah
- Imam abu Zakariyah Yahryah Ibrahim Salmani, d 550 H.
- Imam Abul Hasan Yahya Khayran Amrani , kitan Intasar Radd Ishrar. , has kitab al bayyan Imam Nawawi quotes
- Majudin Abu Fadail Yusef al Damashqi, has Qaseedah in Sunna
- Abdul Qahir ebn Abdul Wahid ebn Muhammad at Tazi, has an aqida book also
- Imam shamsudin Muhammad ebn Ahmad Uthman Dhahabi - al kitab Uluw Ghafar.
- Ismail ebn Kathir d. 7774 Tafsir, and Bidaya wan Nihaya
- Ahmad ebn Ali Maqrizi Misri d 845 H. , has kitab tajrir mufid.
Zawd Khathiri would sIander ppl for Abu Hanifa.
Why do ppl say I am Shafi'i or Abu Hanifa in furu and Ashari in aqdah.... this shows the 4 mathhabs are Sunni Athari.
To say Imam Nawawi & ebn Hajr are Ashari is a kathhab or exxageration, they reject Quran being created.
No taqlid in Tawhid.
Bayjuri in debate, says ppl are disbelievers unless they look around, says Iman is tasdiq so it's a contradiction, they have belief Nadhar wa Intiqad and Imam NAwawi refutes that with hadith Muadh to Yemen caling to shahaada
in Lisan Mizan of ebn Har came to Fakrudin RAzi said he gave a wasiyah that he repented.
There is difference between people who say Quran and Sunna isn't evdence and those who do.
Subki is card carrying Ashari, like Sharastani, Juwaini, ghazali, Baqilani, Muarraq.
Mujahid ebn Jurah, did tawil Mutazilah in surah Qiyama...
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Sh. Usaymi said imam NAwawi repented from his Aqidah
Ebn Atar is a noble student of Nawawi and he isn't Ashari,
ebn Hajr said Razi did well to repent from Kulabiyah.
Muhammad Burudin Zenki placed ebn Asakir Darul Hadith in Mimashq...
Kulabiyah was aided to spread, what helped was they hide their Aqida.
Ebn Qayyim summarized Naql before Aql, in his book Sahell Mursallah which is incomplete so read its Muktasar.
42:19- Ya Habibi, the Ashā'irah say the same thing. It's only an apparent conflict between the aql and literal meanings of the Nusūs. You agree with this 💯
" Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course,
Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, Asharis guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah!
Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 :
He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation.
Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism,
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Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, *“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,* and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’
The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah.
However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, *Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.* They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
I like the fact that brother Shahid is challenging Ustad Abdu Rahman. I don't understand why Ta'weel is wrong. Even Allah says, some of the ayats have ta'weel. Qur'an 3:7
May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala bless the ashari and the maturidi
Jezakumullah Kheyren, if you prepare a pdf of this podcast that would be great.
Wow this was amazing MashaAllah the knowledge and memorization to be able to follow everything you say with examples is just wow. May Allah reward you for this 🙏🏾
Ignore him he has sent the same message to everyone frauding people
1:28:25 Imam Ibn Qudamah رحمـه الله had some great work regarding this issue. He proved that Quran is letters and Allah speaks with letters and sounds
Abu Zakaria Yahya Ibn Sharaf An Nawawi and Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalan were both Ash’aris. This is according to Muḥammad Nāṣir ad-Dīn al-Albānī, the most quoted and famous Salafi hadith scholar. A major figure of the Salafi methodology of Islam.
So was Abū Bakr Muḥammad ibn aṭ-Ṭayyib al-Bāqillānī. Al-Baqillani is often given the honorary epithets Shaikh as-Sunnah ("Doctor of the Prophetic Way").
Sayf as-Sunna ("Sword of the Prophetic way"), Imād al-Dīn ("Pillar of the Faith"), Nāsir al-Islām ("Protector of Islam").
So was Abu Hamed Al-Ghazālī, Hujjat al-Islam is an honorific title meaning "authority on Islam" or "proof of Islam. He is known as one of the most prominent and influential philosophers, theologians, jurists, logicians and mystics.
The Ash’ari same as Maturidis say God’s essence are transcendence and can’t be known. In the Quran Allah says nothing is like God. We can only refer to him in the negative. There are five (صفات الصلبيه) negating what Allah is not.
Allah’s transcendence "تَنْزيه".
1. Pre-eternal, no beginning.
2. Everlastedness, no end.
3. Self sufficient, no need.
4. Dissimilar, no like.
5. Oneness, no other.
Allah’s immanence "تَشْبيه"
The attributes of Allah are positive attributes, which are attributes of meaning, they are neither his essence nor are they seperate from his essence, Allah's attributes are established with his essence. His attributes are pre-eternal. There are 7 attributes that are taught in Ash'ari Aqeedah, and their meaning which are also 7.
1. Life, (1) the ever living.
2. Knowledge, (2) the all knowing.
3. Will, (3) the all willing.
4. Power (4) the all powerful.
5. Speech.
6. Seeing.
7. Hearing.
Allah is neither connected to his creation nor disconnected from his creation.
This Is False. The Understanding Of The Ayat ,
"فَاطِرُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ جَعَلَ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ اَنۡفُسِکُمۡ اَزۡوَاجًا وَّ مِنَ الۡاَنۡعَامِ اَزۡوَاجًا ۚ یَذۡرَؤُکُمۡ فِیۡہِ ؕ لَیۡسَ کَمِثۡلِہٖ شَیۡءٌ ۚ وَ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡبَصِیۡرُ
He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing. " Surah Ash Shura Ayat 11 Translation Saheeh International
The Ayat clearly negates Tashbeeh (Resemblance) Of Allah Subahana WaTala with others. This does not entail that He does not possess Attributes that have a foundational meaning relatable to us. This is a quote to help Understood what The Arabs Of Rasulullahi SalaAllahu Ali Hi WaSalam time linguisticly thought of Tashbeeh.
"Imam Ishaq bin Rahwaih (2) (d. 238 H.) said: «Tashbeeh takes place when one says (Allaah’s) Hand is like (someone’s or something’s) hand or similar to a hand; or (His) Hearing is like (someone’s or something’s) hearing or similar to a hearing. So if one says (Allaah’s) Hearing is like a hearing or similar to a hearing, this is likening Allaah to His creation [Tashbih]. However, if one says as Allaah the Most High stated: Hand [yad], Hearing [same’] and Sight [basar], and does not say “how”, nor say: like a hearing or similar to a hearing, such is not regarded as Tashbeeh, and it is as stated by Allaah the Most High in His Book: {There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.} [42: 11]. Sunan At-Tirmidhi (2/42)
To claim that That The Ayat in Surah Ash Shura entails that concept of Transcendance is simply imposing one's understand to The Text.
U have just proved Ashari aqeeda is kuffr
The host is actually more objective and sensible then the speaker. AR is trying his up most best just to fit the Asha'ira through his lense and not accepting any other perceptions which the host is trying to bring, very poor. The quotations that are quoted are well out of context. for example lets take one: The quote regarding Imam Sanusi's in 6 point at minute 00:50. He mentions and quotes Imam Sanusi says 'that the Quran and Sunnah is needed with the light of al intellect or you will fall in tashbih'. so let me explain God says, he is all Seeing and all Hearing if these are taken without the light of intellect one will think God has an actual eye like a Human or a Ear. to dispel this idea. Imam Sanusi means when he says 'in light of the intellect' is that it is impossible for God (in the scenario given) to possess a limb i.e. Ear. The Quran and the Sunnah use words like hand, shin, eye etc if this was from without the intellect one can fall into whatever belief and become like the Christian that is: what is impossible (Muhal) they attribute to God.
so AR opposes using the intellect so he take the hand being a hand, the hand is compounded (murakab) which is from the door of tashbih
Ajeeb
So when you say "Allah has a Hand"
I should think the opposite? What should I think?
So if someone said "I have legs"
My mind shouldn't automatically think legs or should?
So when definition of a hand is what my friend?
1. Kangaroo has a hand but not like ours but has a hand of some form.
So what do you ascribe to?
1. That God has a hand but not like Our but still has a hand of some sort but we don't know how?
Or
2. That the word hand is used but it is a sifa but we do not know the true meaning to it as he can't have a hand as a is compounded (murakab)
Which out of the two positions do you agree with?
What position do you ascribe too?
I'm just outlining thr salafi position. As you were very confusing
So you believe it a limb but not any shape or form?
@Shafiullah Noory @Shafiullah Noory @Shafiullah Noory
You said "we attribute to God the limbs as has attribute to himself"
No where in the Qur'an and sunnah has God said he has a Limb or use the word limb. He uses the word I.e يد but now you have interpreted that to mean it is a limb. So you have give it a meaning so salafi do interpret the verses of the Qur'an.
You also say "we affirm fingers, two hands and two feet but you say in the manner befitting God"
So essentially you are saying he has all these limbs but you do not know how these are in shape or in look.
This tajseem.
I enter through the door of transcendence.
That i reject that he has limb as limb is made up of parts جزء and God is free from that. God is not murkaba.
We enter through the door of deferring the meaning to God. We affirm that a I.e يد is a sifa but meaning is known to God as it is mutashbi and not from the muhkam
@Shafiullah Noory hahaha
this passage has really confused me as you have taken the word limb back which is fine the 2nd passage I didn't understand. Now I do not understand what you believe as you've taken the word limb back.
Confused me
So you believe God has two hand two legs and fingers they are not limb?
But do they have a form but regarding the form we have knowledge about?
More of this please, may Allah reward you with Jannah.
37:11 Where does it even say that??? I cross referenced it and fakhr Deen razi is talking about something completely different?!?
One question is when "use of mind or aql" is being mentioned regarding asharis, does it PRIORITIZE apparent LOGIC or apparently JUSTIFIABLE IMAGINATIONS only? Because many things like Quran being created, iman being static i.e. without any fluctuations, etc seems illogical and even the mind can be used to state that these are illogical
42:42- WHAT? The aql is limited according to the Ashā'irah and Māturīdiyyah. Haven't you learnt that the Ashā'irah say their is no hukm before the Shariah is sent ie we cannot make any legal rulings just with the aql before Allah ﷻ sends Wahyi. Don't you know that the Ashā'irah are the ones who showed the faulty rational premises of the Falāsifah and the Mu'tazila on issues like the eternity of the hayūlā and the consideration that attributes are parts.
@Barakah who's hateful towards majority of Muslims? The Ashā'irah or "salafis"?
Needed clarification and I benefited. May Allah aza wajjal Bless these brothers and this channel...Ameen!!
@@mobrown7751 Brother are sure that you are correct with your claim Ashariyyah is the main body? I expect some kind of proof with your claim.
@@imranchoate the ummah has been, is and will be ash’ari until the end inshaAllah. deviant groups like wahhabiya came and tried to misguide the ummah throughout the history but we ahlus sunnah existed without any affliction. one day, they and their lies will perish as well inshAllah
@@mamurolimov Indeed all deviated sects will lead to hell fire. May Allah aza wajjal guide us all to the straight path as practiced by Muhammad salalhi 'aliyhi wa salam and the Pious Predecessors (May Allah bless them all) long before Imam al Wahab and al Maturidi came about May Allah bless the Muslim who were upon the the correct Guidance! Ameen!
@@imranchoate ameen and alhamdulillah we follow the four great imams and their aqeedah
@@mobrown7751you idiot, the jama3ah is not the majority, the salaf used to say the jama3ah is one single person if his belief is true and everyone else is wrong he is the jama3ah…to your claim that would mean imam Ahmed was not amongst the jama3ah in his time since the jamhoor was mu3tazillah…fear Allah you donkey.
This is a great format - allowing student to pose objections and questions to teacher.
Asharis are from from ahlu sunnah because if we dont say so, many great scholars were be thrown away and its absurd since we are basically saying some abbasid caliphs were not sunni
1:15:00 - 1:33:00 started my journey to Atharism alhamdulillah
45:39- To prove Allah's exist we have to prove Allah is Qadīm- this shows your incompetence in matters of aqida. How can you then refute the concept of ajsām and a'rād?
the amount of people are ashari is very scary, may Allah protect us and make us amongst those who follow Quran and Sunnah strictly and upon the guidance of the prophet(saws)
MashaAllah the brother who was the host did a great job in questioning and challenging different points. May Allah rewardyou both
2:24:12
Imam ibn jerir Al taberi was from the salad + father of translators of Quran he was one of the the salaf he said that there is kilaf some of them said everything will disappear except himself others said everything will disappear except what he wants to stay, are you claiming that imam tabri is mubtedii and so on
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali first thing the one who did split tawhid was ibn taymiyah and the pseudo- salafis admit it and second in the translation of the istiwa ibn jerir at taberi said " ala aleyeha uluwu muluki wesultan weleyse ulu intiqal wezewal " which destroys the aqida of the hasewi or mijesima which are known today the najdis or wehabis and we all know that the pseudo salfis don'like tafsir at taberi which he made many tawil in his book
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali what are you going to show me I am at first a pseudo salaf who believe Allah is above his throne himself i mean zatuhu which the salafs didn't belive in that but now a.lilah i say istewa ale alarsh but not his zat so are u telling me to return to wrong path again lol😂
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali the great scholar abu mehasin gemalidin yusuf ibn ahmed adigwi almaliki said that " i have been brought about sployting tewhid into 3 and we will answer to this fabrication that splitting tewhid into 3 was started by ibn taymiyah which no one never known about ot before him and illogical too and the prophet never said when one embrace islam there is tewhid uluhiya tewhid rububya and asma wesifat neither the sehabas,the tabiin and atbau tabiin used this thing "
نقد تقسيم التوحيد الى الوهية وربوبية( ١-٢)
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali 😂😂😂 u see i didn't say ibn taymiya invented the word i said invented the mustelah bring me one hadith that the prophet said it clearly that tawhid is splitted into 3
@Ibn Kamal Al-Hanbali 😂you are shifting the thing let us finish first the inovation made by ibn taymiyah and we will procede
Allahumma Barik. Very important & much needed discussion which is very relevant to today society.
39:41- taking precedence of the outward meanings of the Nusūs in some places is kufr for example in Surah 'Araf 51-
فَٱلْيَوْمَ نَنسَىٰهُمْ كَمَا نَسُوا۟ لِقَآءَ يَوْمِهِمْ هَٰذَا وَمَا كَانُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٰتِنَا يَجْحَدُونَ
Translation- So today We will forget them just as they forgot the meeting of this Day of theirs and for having rejected Our verses.
Do you believe Allah ﷻ forgets? If no, then you have given precedence of you aql over the outward meanings of the Naql.
Do you see the irony in your argument?
@@50secs No. Point out the irony please
@@abdullahimusa9761
You used aqal in naql yet inclined towards literal translation (naql without aql)
@@50secs 1. The dhawāhir of the Qur'an is the literal meanings of words. Imam al-Razi was referring to the dhawāhir of the Naql having a apparent conflict with the aql, not the Naql itself as a whole.
2. There's no such thing as pure naql. The aql is always playing a vital role when we approach the naql. This "irony" in fact exposes the misunderstanding of the "salafis". There is no such thing as giving preference to aql over naql. I was using their way of thinking.
قال الشيخ جمال فاروق الأزهري- نفهم الشرع بالعقل و العقل يهتدي بالنور الشرع
Translation- Shaykh Jamāl Fārūq al-Azharī said, "We understand the Shariah by the aql and the aql is guided by the light of the Shariah".
@@abdullahimusa9761
I got your point, even in the first message but it is still ironic which you also agree with so no disagreement between us.
mashaAllah. I can't believe the Ahaairah say these things so bluntly in their own books. It's crazy
That's scary when we come to know some of troubles on the fundamental thing of faith. I found so many arguments, and some of people love using aql instead of learning about the understanding of correct aqeedah. May Allah guides us all on the right understanding of this religion
*_Masha'Allah, an excellent discourse on _**_#Asharis_**_._*
7:45 -8:31
If you claim the rua or the dream was real then he has transferred from mutezila to ahele sunna so the second phase was authentic or resembles to the sunna if not he would had dream for the second time that his should correct his path again
Sheikh has a lot of knowledge ماشاءاللہ تبارک اللہ
Allahumma Barick
The Qur'an encourages the use of intellect ('Aql). However, does it instruct us to rely solely on our reason? The Ash'ari school admits that the Qur'an and Sunnah do not provide clear evidence for their claims. How, then, can the Ash'ari claim to utilise reason ('Aql) effectively?
I have a question based from what I have seen over the years, is it an innovation and contrary to the Sunnah or worse that some people amongst the Muslims are discussing scholarly issues with lay people and as a result causing great confusion amongst lay people?
@1:02:56 but that is not what he quoted when was giving arguments against Ashari...
Subhan Allah this is uncovering the ashari reality by the permission of Allah.
Asharis no reply
We can go over one of the issues ARH says in this video about Ahlul Sunnah on a different platform
Look how on 26.59 Ustaad Abdur Rahman says Ismail at-Timi al-Asbahani was a early imam of the salaf.
They passed away in the 6th century lol.
He was born 457. 1) either the sheikh misspoke 2) he really did mean that and the scholars do consider those generations to be from the salaf, he didn’t say Sahaba 3) oh btw… Al-Bayjūri in Tuhfatul Murīd says it lasts until year 500 AH.. awkward.
Can ustadh abdul rahman debate on the same issue with Sheikh asrar rashid? If you’re confident then why dont you accept sh asrar invitation to debate the same issue?
@@bilalchow4683 brooo your boy asrar got shut
@@bilalchow4683 why does Ustaad Abdur Rahman need to give asrar a platform .....
@@ammaare5561 sh asrar won da istighatha debate & here he s challenging Ustad abdul rahman or anyother salafis to debate on Asharis Vs salafis aqeedah (names & attributions), simple question, all the salafis r ready to debate on mawlid, tawassul all da time which is vry minor issue when it comes to aqeeda but why salafis are running away from debating the very fundamental aqeeda issue which is the names & attributions of allah awj? ruclips.net/video/g9GE1SXD2E0/видео.html
@J A all you ppl can do is insulting & abusing someone whoever has the difference of opinion.
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud 😂😆 final punch is ‘if you believe these, then you’re also a mushrik’ 🤣🤣 i was wondering all the time dat .. the shallow minded, small brain people find wahhabism only suits their thinking capacity or .. once they adopt Wahhabism as their creed, then they loose the ability to think & becomes a puppet of muhammd ibn abdul wahhab? 😂
Ur claim s vry funny actually, at the same time it wasn’t only said by the sheikh ahmed raza khan, there are many.
I ll briefly explain to u, “allah awj takes the soul we all believe but he created a malakul mouth an asbab a means to do it, same way , allah awj send down the rain but he asign a malak to fo the job.. r we committing shirk if we believe that malakul mouth takes the soul? No .. bcz as muslims we knw its done by allah awj, same way, allah awj is razzak, giver of risq, it doest mean he s giving evey individual foods from sky but he created asbabs.. so if u said ur mom provides u provisions does it shirkh? As muslims our belief is dat allah is doing these mentioned earlier by creating a means.
Same way every person has a spiritual makam(station), the makam of prophet pbuh is higher than the angels & the makams of sahabah & tge makams of shuhada, then awliyas, mumins etc.. so when a mumins tries with all his efforts to become closer to allah awj , if allah awj wills then he raises his station. Accrding to their spritual makams allah awj may unveil to them the secrets of the universe which allah awj knws best. ‘Allah awj is not stingy on the unseen’ its been said in the many sheikhs book dat once allah awj has lifted someone’s makam as wali, then they r given to certain jobs to do in the universe which is hidden for eyes of rest of being, is it said only by sheikh ahmed raza khan, no.. its been said by many & many of the great imams & sheikhs in past.
Look, a human according to his ability allah awj has given & the strenth of iman he can come down to the level of shaitan or he can go over the level of malakuth/angels.
Allah awj’s knowledge & ability is endless , no one can go near to him by the abilities like raising dead, travelling earth is minutes or any other miracles which allah awj has given the ability to do so, why u ppl think in dis way is bcz ur aqeeda is very weak. Bcz u ppl likens the creations to allah awj, so whenver u hear a person do something miracle with the ability the allah awj given, u ppl go on street barking , relax urselves & think.. its all about ‘allah awj can give a person dat ability? Like flying? Or raising dead? Yes he can’ is it possible to allah awj ? Yes it is.
Shallow mind will only observe everything as black & white, mushrikh or not mushrik 🤣islam is broad , it encompasses all the sciences, what all ur Wahhabism do is just narrowing down islam to a point where u ppl call it tawhid. Which is not. U should read many books written down by the great imams & ulamas in medieval periodof islam not only the book of tawhid written by ibn abdul wahhab. Open ur eyes & think wide.
May allah awj open your eyes to see thinks broadly & advance u in hikmah
Beautiful studio.
What about Salahuddin Ayyubi ra ? He was a staunch Ashari. The present day deviant salafi sect would have sided with crusaders against Salahuddin Ayyubi ra if they were present at his time.
Even some of them support Zionists in their oppression over Palestinian Asharis.
Asharis, Maturidis and Athari are ahle haq.
Akhi you have heard the pod and have been informed please bring proof against the evidence the Ustadh brought or change your ways. He’s quoting your own scholars and your still in denial Astaghfirullah
@@savo2kkHadith Muhammad SAW: Allah Ta’ala will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance’
Majority of Ummah and Ulema are Ashari, maturidi and hanbali in aqeedah not deviant salafi sect of this generation.
I prefer Salahuddin Ayyubi ra interpretation of aqeedah according to Quran and Sunnah rather than this neo salafi sect of this generation.
Ibn Qudama.
@@Taab1578 Ibn Qudama ra is hanbali athari not present day salafi
@@murtazaalam6254athari and salafi is quite literally the same thing. you cant say someone is hanbali athari but not salafi lol
subhanallah such a knowledgeable ustadh may Allah preserve him
I looked at the references on page 172 and I couldn’t find this statement at 36:45 does anyone know where I can find it?
Did you find it?
MashaAllah, genuine session, beats debate videos by far. The kinds of ulama of the future that our kids will & should refer to. Let us & our generations benefit from their knowledge in their chest while all these Ustadz & Ustadzah are all young & teaching their best while facing a new different world now. It's supposed to be simple & easy, as Allah has made it for our beloved Prophet SAW, his sahabah & us laymen to understand, the aqal should not control the meaning of AlQuran, only AlQuran can control (GUIDE) the aqal. Without AlQuran, we would all be insane & lost. Alhamdulillah, majority in South East Asia, are Mazhab As-Syafie. May Allah unite us with all them Imaams in Jannahtul Firdausi Al-A'la.
If you don't mind me asking what happened to the video on hijrah and homosexuality? Has RUclips removed them
Yes
Subhanallah, this is evidence for the Muslims to run from them lands asap.
@Average Mo Its hate speech? Yet david wood and his cronies keep posting and dont have their videos removed.
Athari creed > Ash’ari creed
Ahki you're funny man but you should change your name and photo. That made me laugh
Both upon falsehood.
Ahl sunnah wal jamaah. Khalas
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Subhanallah this is brilliant. May Allah bless both of you. Wallahi Shahid did an outstanding job at probing and picking, resulting in a detailed analysis of the issue. Alhamdulilah beautiful. 🖤
what is it exactly that Deobandi promote or think which goes against Islam? I would like to know since my community is filled Deobandi. Jazakallahu hu Khair. Also am i allowed to go to a deobandi sholar to ask for advice?
They have blind following of Imam Abu Hanifah (May Allah have mercy on him), whose opinions they prefer over the proven Sahih Ahadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).
@@shadab-hindi jazakallah hu khair, i was just watching a video on the hanafi school just now.
This is all new to me, I need to learn with the help of Allah.
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May Allah be your guide and grant you a sincere heart.
Alhamdulillah the Shaykh Abdur Rahman Hassan's lecture will help you really a lot.
For the English speaking audience.
If you are from the subcontinent i e India or Pakistan then please refer to the Ahle Hadeeth of your locality.
@@shadab-hindi Ameen
Im from the UK I will find a way to learn more.
inshallah
@@isioriginal1
The greatest Scholars of the recent past are:
Shaykh Ibn Baaz
Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen
Shaykh Al Albaani
(May Allah have mercy on them)
Refer to the website:
islamqa.info
General Superviser: Shaykh Saaleh al Munajjid (May Allah preserve him)
May Allah guide you.
17:45 the sigh when the brother asked Ustadh about changes subhanallah
37:35- Ya Shaykh, you have lied against the Ummah. You have lied against Imam al-Rāzī and all the 'ulemā of Ahl al-Sunnah. You have done tahrīf/distortion of the words of al-Rāzī. Here's the Arabic of what you are reciting from your desires.
الرازي في أساس التقديس: اعلم أن الدلائل القطعية إذا قامت على ثبوت شيء، ثم وجدنا أدلة نقلية يشعر ظاهرها بخلاف ذلك، فهناك لا يخلو الحال من أحد أمور أربعة:...
Imam al-Razi takes into consideration if there is conflict between the established rational evidences with the DHAWĀHIR/OUTWARD MEANINGS of the Naql. Not a conflict with the Naql altogether. This is the very mistake Ibn Taymiyyah did. The Ashā'irah say there is no absolute conflict between the aql and the naql. Only apparent conflict just as in Usūl al-Fiqh where we are taught in the chapter of التعارض that there is only apparent contradiction between the Nusūs, no real conflict. In addition, what is the dhawāhir of naql Imam al-Razi is talking about? When Allah ﷻ mentions yad in the Qur'an next to His Glorious Name, does it mean Allah ﷻ has a limb that has hair and flesh? NO. Even you agree with this. So you agree with the Ashā'irah. If you say yes, then be warned of Imam al-Shafi'i's statement that a Mujassim is a Kafir. Here's the Arabic of Imam Shafi'i's statement-
قال إمامنا الشافعي رضي الله عنه "المجسم كافر" [الأشباه و النظائر للإمام الحافظ السيوطي].
Do not lie against the Imams of this Dīn.
why not dont you debate ustad if that the case if you have knowledge to refute him
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وَقُلْ جَآءَ ٱلْحَقُّ وَزَهَقَ ٱلْبَٰطِلُ ۚ إِنَّ ٱلْبَٰطِلَ كَانَ زَهُوقًا
And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart."
Isra: 81
You my friend fell into tashbeeh into liking allahs hand to the creation. Why did you straight away believe in the human hand that has hair and flesh. The clock has a hand but if I say the clock has a hand does that mean it has hair and flesh??? NO
the clock has a hand, I have a hand, my hand the clocks hand is not the same. Same way. I have a hand allah has a hand. My hand and allahs hand is not the same
@@hamzaahmed5436 the Quran was revealed in Arabic, specifically the Arabic of the age of the Sahabah. The word اليد was not associated at that time with this new meaning of a Attribute called "yad". To understand more on how words are associated to their meanings, study a subject called علم الوضع and also the section of دلالات الألفاظ in Usul al-Fiqh. There are entire books that have been written just on that section of Usul al-Fiqh. Shukran.
@@abdullahimusa9761 yes what do you think yad meant then??? Now ur doing tahreef of the meaning of the word
@01:08:00 So, he himself didn't give sadqa and Zakat and told everyone that they shouldn't fast as well? Where is that question host?
the more abdul rahman explains and tries to debunk the ashariis, the more i found it profound and factual, and in line with the quran, may allah guide us all
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ there's no ahle sunnah without asharis
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ may allah guide us all, and open up our minds, aameen
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ well, i don't disagree with you
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ it's just, we don't say that allah has a literal physical hand,
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ and do you think we negative the verse?? i advise you to read the ashari texts, which salafis have copy pasted for centuries, and see the debates, the use of kalam, for good, agaist the modern day atheist, have an insight for god sake, and don't exclude anybody from ahle sunnah, by listening to some shaykh, allah bless you akhi
Ya Allah . I am so grateful for all that you've given me and I ask for nothing except this one wish. Please fulfill the wishes of all insan all humanity in this world. Syukur alhamdulillah. Salam from Malaysia.
Absolutely beautiful 😍 ❤ , even if this was 6 hours long I wudda watched everything, I dont know why u put a timer there was sooo annoying! , this is reason us athari don't know nothing , I'm learning something and suddenly timer comes on not good!! , this was soo beneficial , ustadh please do another video withoutl the interruptions!! I was so enjoying taking notes 📝 then suddenly the timer ⏲️ 🤨
Abdurrahman Hasan is like a living Library Allahuma-Barik
I don’t understand the point of this. With all honesty, this is slander. Neither do you understand the Ash’ari positions, nor do you WANT to. You put your own student who is assumed to be less knowledgeable than you in the position of defending WHAT YOU BOTH BELIEVE TO BE A DEVIANT BELIEF. Akhi, where is your integrity? To not even have an actual Ash’ari there to debate you. Very disappointing.
Found the mini dajjal
@@TheRealMikeMichaels A Muslim should refrain from such manners.
Half of the podcast, he quoted your deviant scholars and books so that’s wrong? Please go pause the video and write all the evidence he gave down and go double check. May Allah preserve him for exposing the Ahlul Bidah, Ahlul philosophy(Ash’aris)
@@TheRealMikeMichaels
Oh then say Wallahi!
Can you?
@@Simsimiyyah Simsim al-Ash’arī, you’re problematic in and of yourself. You’ve refuted your own claim by your own channel and its nonsense spewing.
May Allah continue to bless the ummah with scholars such as this
How is Shahid even able to play this role throughout this episode. SubhanAllah
which surah and who is the reciter at the very beginning of the video?
If Aqeedah is a developing thing, this denotes that even the prophet (pbuh) and his companions did not have a complete out of the box Aqeedah, which is totally false and misleading, this is not uniting, this is actually shattering! You can never unite wrong and right, this has to be black and white
تابع قرآن وسنة وفاء أحمد سلف
Big SAMZ If i say "I am walking to my house" it goes without saying that I utilise my legs. This is what ahlul sunnah are saying today. All other groups would say I walked with my hands. Or will not know what "walking" here means. The reason aqeedah appears to be developing is because simple things like this have to be explained. No new concepts are innovated. They're explained
@@papac7940 because people aren’t sticking with what the prophet peace be upon him and the salaf came with. The creed of the Salaf is the creed of the prophet khalas final. We don’t need to step into dangerous lines and do taweel like the extreme sufis and the Sufi ashari and maturidi deobandis who like to play word gymnastics when it comes Aqeedah. Let’s accept what’s clear with the understanding of the Salaf and leave it at that Alhamdulillah.
@@realtalkdawah2747 Yes of course. That's what I was alluding to akhi XD
@@papac7940 Sweet bro May Allah bless you akhi. 👍🏾. Don’t forgot to check out and subscribe to my channel please bro inshallah.
Theres a middle-path tho, both have been developed and taken to extremes just for small details. Read this muslimmatters.org/2020/09/08/the-estranged-middle-way/
Assalamualaikum, im from Asharis school of thought, we learn and takes the theology according to Asharis. However, theres few differences from what are being taught in my country compared to asharis book. We said that quran is not created, its the word of Allah. My teacher also always said never put our logics before Quran or Hadeeth. Quran is kalamullah, which never be wrong, so we never put our mind first. For us Quran and Sunnah is our guidance and we should never go against or say this specific verse is wrong, contradict, have different wording and so on. Now got me wondering which asharis are we following 😅
The better way is to bring expert Ash’ari scholar to defend the ashari side!
can i listen to hamza yusuf? he is ashari but he can explain the hadith very well and can someone please put subtitles
As salamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatu Akhi kareem! I would advise you not to listen to him as he has severe mistakes in Aqeedah and we should take from someone who is from Ahlu Sunnah Wa'l Jama'a. Hamza Yusuf will explain Hadith according to his Aqeedah which is really dangerous. So I would advise you to stay away from him and take from trustworthy sources.
It would be interesting to hear from the scholars who do follow the Ash’ari creed, for comparison. These topics should be debates between scholars, not one-sided ‘arguments’.
Yourself can go and verify with a ashari scholar , just like I did
Shaykh al-Islam Ahmad ibn Hajar 'Asqalani (d. 852/1449; Rahimullah), the mentor of Hadith scholars and author of the book "Fath al-Bari bi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari", which not a single Islamic scholar can dispense with, was Ash'ari. The shaykh of the scholars of Sunni Islam, Imam Nawawi (d. 676/1277; Rahimullah), author of "Sharh Sahih Muslim" and many other famous works, was Ash'ari. The master of Qur'anic exegetes, Imam Qurtubi (d. 671/1273; Rahimullah), author of "al-Jami' li ahkan al-Qur'an", was Ash'ari. Shaykh al-Islam ibn Hajar Haytami (d. 974/1567; Rahimullah), who wrote "al-Zawajir 'an iqtiraf al-kaba'ir", was Ash'ari. The Shaykh of Sacred Law and Hadith, the conclusive definitive Zakariyya Ansari (d. 926/1520; Rahimullah), was Ash'ari. Imam Abu Bakr Baqillani (d. 403/1013; Rahimullah), Imam 'Asqalani; Imam Nasafi (d. 710/1310; Rahimullah); Imam Shirbini (d. 977/1570; Rahimullah); Abu Hayyan Tawhidi, author of the Qur'anic commentary "al-Bahr al-muhit"; Imam ibn Juzayy (d. 741/1340; Rahimullah); author of "al-Tashil fi 'ulum al-Tanzil"; and others - all of these were Imams of the Ash'aris
@@pointdot094 ibn hajar and al nawawi are not ashari brother , yes in some things they did but overall they never adopted the ashari mazhab , you can see it in their tafseer of Hadith and fatwas . You brought many names but guess what , Imam Bukhari doesn’t have any ashari beliefs , Imam Muslim , Imam nisaii, Imam abu Dawood , Imam tirmizi, Imam tabari, Imam Ahmad , Imam Malik , Imam Shafi , Imam abu Hanifah , none of them agree or have any similar understandings of the asharis when it comes to usool , and aqeedah , or in understanding the sunnah , NONE ….and who I mentioned are above those who you mentioned in knowledge and in guidance. So what’s your point brother ? Who I mentioned should be the scholars you take your methodology from . Start with the top brother and you will see where the problem is .
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Don’t call be brother. I really dislike salafees to begin with. If you know what a Dunning Kruger chart is, salafees are at the peak of stupidity. High confidence level but no knowledge. There are many ways you can educate yourself. We live at a time where knowledge is accessible Alhamdulillah.
Don’t be part of the echo chamber. You’ve seen the transformation of Yasir Qadhi and other salafees who were sincere with Allah.
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Here’s 85 lectures that are half hour each.
This could be the beginning of the end of your ignorance.
ruclips.net/p/PLkV-tEbsWhdO5M_DZDXzXMDriFD5MJwxf
that was very brillant and insightful discussion, keep it on brothers barakallah fiykum
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Whos a fraudster@@changinglifestyle6675
And I am not too knowledgeable, so make note of that, but I do believe that you may have misconstrued some of the opinions of the Ash'aris. For example, I am quite sure that most of them _do not_ believe the Quran is created. It would be nice to have a knowledgeable Ash'ari on the podcast to see his point of view.
Brother barakallah fik . The sheikh is very knowledgeable on what he is talking about . You may understand where he is coming from because you are not while knowledgeable on ashari. This is not defending about your group it is about following quran and sunnah and the understanding of sahaba. Even if we say the ashari don't believe quran is created what about the names of Allah and other deviant believes they have. I advise brother look at this episode with open mind and without attachment with clear that you gonna stand infront of Allah you judgement. Fear Allah you gonna stand that you gonna against the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. May Allah guide us all to the straight path.
He literally quoted the heads of the ashaaira, stating their own beliefs regarding the quran and the sunnah...
@Average Mo
1. It is bad because you are going against clear evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. Opposing the unanimous consensus of the salaf. What could be worse than saying about Allah that which Allah has negated.
2. When you say "both sides", who is on the other side? The salaf have unanimously agreed the Quran is not created. Since you have made the claim that there is support if you study the issue, this implies you have studied the issue. Please do provide these supporters and their supporting evidence.
3. We take our understanding from those who had the best understanding, who were present when the Quran was revealed, and whom Allah and then his messenger have affirmed their piety and truthfulness.
@Average Mo the evidence the Quran is not created is Quran 7 :54 - for Allah is the creation and the command! the Quran is from Allah and will return back to Allah in end times when the Quran will disappear from the pages on Earth!! it is saying Allah's speech attribute is created like creation, its why its disbelief.
I could listen to the introductory recitation by Ustaad whole day