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00:00 Introduction
02:48 What is Aqeedah?
03:39 A brief history of the Ash’aris
13:16 The four main people in the Ash’ari creed
18:15 The difference between Aqeedah and Fiqh
24:10 The difference between ijtihaad and khilaaf
26:23 Who are Ahlus-sunnah?
34:54 The Ash’aris do not follow the Quran, Sunnah & Companions
36:24 The Ash’aris choose their intellect over the Quran
45:11 The original problem of the Ash’aris
48:01 The Quran and Sunnah are not proofs for the Ash’aris
1:01:16 The dangers of this approach
1:02:21 The correct relationship between the Quran and intellect
1:06:02 The Ash’aris and their strange definition of iman
1:15:02 The Ash’aris say the Quran is created
1:33:38 The deception of the Ash’aris
1:41:40 The importance of tawheed
1:43:36 The importance of Allah’s names and attributes
1:47:27 Why not focus on today’s real problems?
1:55:05 Stop over-complicating aqeedah!
1:56:46 Does aqeedah develop over time?
2:05:46 Why not leave these issues in the past?
2:09:51 Scholars who labelled the Ash’aris as innovators
2:19:22 Why can’t we accept this as a ‘difference of opinion’?
2:27:59 Did the companions differ in aqeedah?
2:32:22 Is aqeedah regional?
2:33:24 Why are the majority of scholars Ash’ari?
2:44:50 Were Imam an-Nawawi and ibn Hajr Ash’ari?
2:51:53 Summary
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BarakAllahu feekum.
Mashallah! Thank you for your content. I learn a lot from this.
I converted to Islam 4 years ago now and I was following the Ash'ari creed before but with more research it came to conclusion that the Athari aqeedah and the path of the Salaf is the correct way Alhamdulillah!
Fellow brother from El Salvador!
Mashallah may Allah makes those who die upon the correct path .
MashaaAllah, may Allah make you firm and steadfast upon the truth, and may He bless you and give you increase in beneficial knowledge, health, family and welath, Ameen.
@@bilalchow4683 You are on every comment sections, fear Allah Brother.
@@bilalchow4683 hahahhaa lion lol behave
@Witness Truth I hate to say this but the first people to write books on Aqeedah were the Salaf, and they refuted many sects who had deviated from the correct Aqeedah. Imam Ahmad wrote a very famous book called Usool al-Sunnah. I would recommend you read it. The term Aqeedah may not have been used exclusively, but it doesn't mean they aren't talking about Aqeedah. The Barelvis are misguided.
Abdur Rahaman has a heck of a memory! Im a lil jealous! May Allah increase him(us all with Knowledge/Sincerity)! Wallahi! I smile every time! Hes like a Machine Gun! (Da! Da! Da! Da! Da!)Im still trying to memorize Quran! Make dua for me people!
Very good. How much have you memorized now?
@@knowledgeseeker1548 Surah Yasin and last 3 juz! I start Surah Hadid/Juz 27 after I read from Mujadillah to Nas from memory!
Allah make it easy for me! Im 47yr, 2 older daughters and a 3yr old son!
Everytime I begin reading he comes and jumps im my lap! But I read every day, after Subh and Maghrib!
Keep me in your dua!
@@Abrock730 excellent. I have memorized baqarah to tawbah and naas to ghaafir. So now going from Yunus to Zumar to finish, but keeping those 40 hizb strong while running my online coaching business is quite challenging. Alhamdoelileh
@@knowledgeseeker1548 ما شاء الله!
Its getting easier to remember (memorize) now! I have some other things memorized too! Sharh Thalatul Usool! Im gnna keep going as much as Allah wills! I have Muqbil Asbab Nuzul Tafisir too! So Im really learning the Surah too!
@Ibrahim Ibn Mahmud سلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته!
I dont FOLLOW Bro Hajji! I FOLLOW (رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم) The Prophet Muhammad! Sahabah(ر)... The fiqh of Imam Malik(ر)! I call myself muslim as Allah has called us in Surah Hajj 22:78!
I have no alliances to any tribes etc, Just Allah and His Messenger!
If you ask why I watch his vedioes (meaning I hear what he says(listening is also different), then thats a different question.
Im not into who LIKES who.
Nearly 3hrs long video with no ads, ALLAHUMMA BARIK!!!! This is from the blessings of Allah. So many beneficial points are mentioned in these podcasts👌🏿
Because they don't monetize it
I would love for Ustadh Abdul rahman Hafidhullah to speaker to this Ashari student who said this concerning this first video "I just finished the video, and every point the brother made was a misconception, half-truth, or outright falsehood. He was making rudimentary mistakes when trying to explain issues from beginner's level books, so he either doesn't know what he's talking about, but can get away with it because most viewers won't be able to tell, or is deliberately misrepresenting the Ashari school. In both cases he should fear Allah. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with Asharis, but any serious student of knowledge should value accuracy, objectivity, and fairness when transmitting opposing views, and be humble enough to not delve into issues he's not qualified to discuss."
@@purifiedpageshe literally used the Ashari books to prove their beliefs what r u talking about💀
@@Smz1sh akhi you speak too fast and ponder very little , what do you mean what am I talking about? I know what was presented in the video and I'm in agreement with it , But as I said I want the brother to clarify to this Ashari student the same thing .
@@purifiedpages my bad akh I read it wrong, I thought it was you putting that statement out. But u said it was an ashari student who said that.
The way ustadh talks about these issues makes me want to seek knowledge
Yes bro, see kalemah channel ustaadh has classes their try to start from his essential classes.
I wonder how will you feel when you listen to the scholars of this ummah. And this is not possible except by learning Arabic so start learning Arabic and take his classes. Even u do this 30 minutes a day just start.
May Allah help us to do what pleases him.
@@abusaalih5211 Ameen.
@@bilalchow4683 he’s already beat him in a debate lmao go RUclips it
@@bilalchow4683 I don’t think you’ve watched this video and just went straight to the comments
@@bilalchow4683 wow you are so lost
I'm mid way through, but in case this hasn't been mentioned in the entirety of this video, *one of the best examples of where Akl alone was not sufficient* is the story of *Musa (AS) & Al Kidr.*
indeed !
its both nakl and akl
we literally have to use fitrah and akl to come to Islam in the first place. So Akl does matter
@@AC-mp7cx .. Totally agree. For the record I didn't discard Akl altogether, just recognising it's not entirely standalone 👍
@@AC-mp7cx if you watched the video, Ustadh said the same, we athari salafis dont say dont use akl, the problem comes when it comes in relation with nakl as asharis and others say, please understand, Barak Allahu Feekum
🔴 When Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) was asked of his opinion of the one who says i do not know whether Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens or on the earth,
Imaam Abu Haneefah (Rahimahullah) said:
He has disbelieved, because Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) says: “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne”, and His Throne is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) seven heavens.
He was then asked, what if he said that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Throne but he does not know whether the Throne is in the heavens or on the earth he said, he has disbelieved. because he has denied that He (subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above the heavens
[Quoted in Al-Uluww of Adh»Dhahabi, also in Sharh Aqeedah At»Tahawiyyah of Ibn Abi AI-lzz AI»Hanafi]
🔴 lmaam Malik (Rahimahullah) said when replying to the one who asked, ‘How did Allah make lstawaa? (Ascension above the Throne),
Al-lstawaa is Known, and its how is unknown, to have faith in it is obligatory, and to question it is an innovation.” Then he said to the questioner, “i do not think except that you are an innovator” and he ordered him to be expelled.
[Quoted in AI-Asmaa was Sifaat’ Page #.516]
🔴 Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said:
The belief that I am upon, and I saw Our Companions, the Ashab-ul- Hadith (People of hadith) - like Imaam Malik and Sufvan and others - to be upon is:
Affirming the testimony that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) and that Muhammad (Sal-Allahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) is the Messenger of Allah. And that Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) is above His Throne. above His heaven. He comes close to His creation howsoever He Wills, and He (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) Descends to the lowest heaven howsoever He Wills.
[Quoted in ‘Awn aI-Ma’bood’ (13/41), and ibn Abu Ya’la reports it in ‘Tabaqaat aI»Hanaabilaa‘ (1/283) with a chain of narration linked back to lmaam Ash-Shafi’ee.)
Imaam Ash-Shafi’ee (Rahimahullah) said on another occasion:
“To Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) belong Names and Attributes that occur in His Book and His Prophet informed to the nation. It is not possible for anyone to refute (radd) them. So the one who contradicts this after the evidence has been established against him then he is a kafir (disbeliever), and as for before the establishment of the proof then he is excused due to ignorance, because the knowledge of that cannot be attained through the intellect. So we affirm these Attributes and we negate tashbeeh (likening Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) to creation) as Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aala) negated it by saying, ‘there is nothing like Him.”‘
[Quoted in ‘Siyar A’Iaam an-Nubalaa’ (10/80)]
🔴 lmaam Ahmad (Rahimahullah) was asked: “Allah is above the seventh heaven, above His Throne. distinct from his creation, and His Power and Knowledge are in every place?”
He (Rahimahullah) replied:
Yes. above the Throne and His Knowledge is in every place
(Quoted in Sharh Usool ilal‘tiqaad]
I like the way these episodes are nearly 3 hours...keep up the good work...
Allahumma barik so much hard work. May Allah reward them for every second they invest into their Dawah.
@@hopefulthatthingswillgetbetter ameen
I really feel I'm worth nothing in front of this brother and am so scared to be amongst the 72 sects and I am not aware of it. This brother is a giant - may Allah keep him on the Truth and make us amongst the righteous. JZK.
In 1974, in Pakistan, 72 Muslim sects declared Ahmadi Muslims as non-Muslims. I am grateful because I am not part of the 72.
@@abdussalamsookia Wow, who knew there are 72 sects in Pakistan. Can you name them all for me? And their representatives who voted.
@@virtualwanderer
I am not aware that Pakistan has all 73 sects. I have the list but it is long. I am sure you can find the list online. I don’t know all the representatives who voted but only those who died a miserable or violent death; King Faisal (shot by his nephew); Bhutto (hanged); Saddam Hussein (hanged); Yasser Arafat (probably poisoned); Idi Amin Dada (died in exile); Colonel Gaddafi (lynched); It was a long time ago.
It was a charade. I have videos of scholars who say openly how the small delegation of Ahmadis defeated all the opposing scholars. But this was hidden from the public. Now, with the internet everything is in the open.
@@abdussalamsookia how are they all different sects? You said 72 sects refuted them so name all 72 sects
@@abdussalamsookiasorry for confusion, are you ahmadi?
i think the "What’s Wrong with Homosexuality?" Hot Seat episode got taken down by RUclips
Subhanallah
You can still find the audio of that podcast (and the ones on hijrah) on other platforms if you google (like podtail.com/podcast/the-hot-seat/ ). I'd advice everyone to download from there while they still have the chance and to spread it, since these video's are unique gems compared to what is there in the English da"wah.
What happened to the hijrah episodes?
In the Hot Seat Playlist one video is deleted because of "hate speech" (might be the one about homosexuality and 2 got changed into privat videos. It would be great if the admins would upload their beneficial videos on another platform too besides YT (like their own website or something) other than RUclips because we know RUclips deletes content that goes against it's propaganda.
@@hopefulthatthingswillgetbetter How does one get in touch with these brothers? One should bring it to their attention to upload all their content on another site...I'm sure they could raise money for that. I would gladly contribute.
May Allaah save us all from deviation and bidah, and make us firm and unwavering upon the path of the salaf
جزاك الله خيرًا
Ameen
اللهم أمين
@Sergio Reguilon You found this so funny that you made an account just to comment this?
But since you seem to have found the RUclips channel of the Ustadh, I pray to Allah that He makes you benefit from it, Ameen.
@Sergio Reguilon Watch the video in which the Salafi creed, i.e. Athari creed, i.e. the creed of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah is defined for you.
If you accept it, alhamdulillah.
But its sad that you spend so much energy without actually watching the video...
Allahuma ameen
Don't you think defining _ilm-ul kalam_ as "Greek philosophy" is a bit misleading? I mean Al-Ghazali specifically refuted the Greeks, yet he still partook in kalam.
@Ahmad Shaikh exactly bro on point barakallah fik.
the jargon and premises used by ilmul kalam are directly influenced by the Greeks and Aristotle but yea directly defining it as Greek philosophy would be a reach
@J A He died as an Ashari who followed the path of Tasawuff dissociating himself from worldly pleasures. Imam Ibn Taymiyah was wrong that he 'turned his back on the philosophy' or 'came back to ahul sunah' because he was already on it. All believers repent when they die including the great Ibn Taymiyah himself when you are close to death. To claim it was for the athari creed however is a myth perpetuated by insecure Atharis and modern-day Neo-Salafis
Ilm Ul Kalam of the Mutazili and other deviant groups was completely unacceptable. But the ilm ul kalam of the Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors
@@truthoverhappiness7338 "Asharis and Maaturidis is absolutely in line with the pious predecessors
" - no , they were bidatis post salaf, and were a softer version of the mutazilahs who did tatil, but Khulab Asharis did tatil tahrif.
May Allah bless Ustadh Abdur Rahman Hassan (حفظه الله) for explaining the true correct of the Sahaba and the salaf. And May Allah reward and bless him for exposing the false beliefs of the Ashari’s. Belief of the Salaf is the credal belief of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. We have the explicit verses of the Quran and explicit words of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him in the authentic hadiths and the authentic statements of the sahaba and authentic statements of the Tabieen and atbaa-tabieen and the 4 imams to explain clearly what the correct Aqeedah is. Aqeedah is not devolvement. Aqeedah is one which is the Aqeedah of the prophet and the sahaba. خلاص
What is devolvement?
What nonsense
@@abdullatiffabdulrahim6356 if you think it’s nonsense then duck out and go educate yourself properly and get a life pal. Do something meaningful during this pandemic instead of saying it’s nonsense with no substance to back up that claim of yours. Khalas.
@@realtalkdawah2747 non sense
Majority of Muslims were either asharite or maturidi's and only recently we have the salafiyah who want to say we can take knowledge from the sahaba like all the Muslims before them were not following the sahaba. Subhana Allah. Small knowledge is a dangerous thing. We have luminaries like Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali who was shafi'i and ash'ari and others who were followers of ahlul Sunnah wal jamaaca. Today we have so called scholars who cherry pick Islamic traditions and maligned previous well regarded luminaries of early Muslim scholars. There is a meddling with our Islamic traditional books by people with agenda here is the proof ruclips.net/video/8OJPZzSkvBA/видео.html.
Masha'Allah, great podcast. The guest is 100% right - all human ideologies rely on subjective reasoning, just like the group discussed, and they reject Divine Revelation when it suits their whims and desires. This is a much needed discussion.
MashAllah, I like this method of engagement... Pushing the important issues in order to clarify issues of difference between Ahlu Sunnah and the other groups who try to active themselves to them... Keep up the good work! Salaam alakuum wa rahmatullah
Hes a fraudster ignore him he's sent the same message to everyone. Please report him immediately on YT so others are warned too!!
May Allah bless you this was a long time coming!
Coming back to this video after sometime and it feels like it's new. So much information and education may Allah bless you all for the effort!
Truly hope that brother YQ gets to see this video, as he follows the ashari maturidi creed and is busy misleading sections of the ummah to this deviated path
Alhamdulillah this was much needed May Allah reward you my brothers ameen
This time brother Shahid really put Ustadh on a Hot Seat by setting a time limit.. phew !
Look at the gems this brother dug out from the syaikh..
Baarakallaahu fiikum
MashaAllah the brother who was the host did a great job in questioning and challenging different points. May Allah rewardyou both
I read imam sabuni's aqeeda book recently... alhamdullilah i m blessed to have the aqeeda of the salaf and sahaba...but this podcast was most interesting and knowledgeful....may Allah guide us all....
More of this please, may Allah reward you with Jannah.
This is a great format - allowing student to pose objections and questions to teacher.
Absolutely beautiful 😍 ❤ , even if this was 6 hours long I wudda watched everything, I dont know why u put a timer there was sooo annoying! , this is reason us athari don't know nothing , I'm learning something and suddenly timer comes on not good!! , this was soo beneficial , ustadh please do another video withoutl the interruptions!! I was so enjoying taking notes 📝 then suddenly the timer ⏲️ 🤨
Allahumma Barik. Very important & much needed discussion which is very relevant to today society.
It's so rare to see scholars talking about the opposing views without slandering, mocking and backbiting. The shaykh did a good job of being truthful giving solid proof and staying on topic wa al Hamdu lillah
P.S. 1:00:00 is 100% facts
@Mo Brown The same Hamza Yusuf that openly said that there is no evidence for qabd in the salah, that shari'ah is obsolete, and Norway, Sweden are edens on earth?
And from who you hold that the jama'ah means the majority?
Also, you people are strange, why do you flee the part ما انا عليه و اصحابي ? Or are you conscious that this is not good for you. This particular hadith has many turuq and one of them that came in sahih at tirmidhiyy ليأتينَّ على أمَّتي ما أتى على بني إسرائيل حَذوَ النَّعلِ بالنَّعلِ ، حتَّى إن كانَ مِنهم من أتى أُمَّهُ علانيَةً لَكانَ في أمَّتي من يصنعُ ذلِكَ ، وإنَّ بَني إسرائيل تفرَّقت على ثِنتينِ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، وتفترقُ أمَّتي على ثلاثٍ وسبعينَ ملَّةً ، كلُّهم في النَّارِ إلَّا ملَّةً واحِدةً ، قالوا : مَن هيَ يا رسولَ اللَّهِ ؟ قالَ : ما أَنا علَيهِ وأَصحابي
This hadith has many riwayat, so how can you dismiss them all just because you want your deviant sect to be the jama'ah.
Lastly, the jama'ah is us, the majority of Muslims haven't heard about abul hassan, or Al baqillani, or juwayni, the know only one qur'ān, the one which is recited, they affirm the caractheristics of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, and don't have shakk in his existence. As your scholars have established it, you have to doubt before affirming the existence, and as Al Ghazali also pointed out in his books, there's a tawhid for the 'awam and for the scholars, how can you then represent the majority?
@@cidsignor6047 excellent response
@@mobrown7751 so the verses of Allāh and the Prophet alayhi salaatu wa salaam's teaching are rubbish? Go wash your mouth verily it's worse than rubbish!!!
@@mobrown7751 ok Sufi Gufi Club Dancers 🤡
Mashā Allah ustadh abdurrahman is very patient toward shahid. May Allah increase his knowledge. Barakallahu fiikum. Jazākumullah khayran
بارك الله فيكم شيخ عبدالرحمن و أخينا شاهد و نفع بكم ❤️❤️🍃 ✨
This video is an eye opener!
@@boejiden.1445 If you have proofs against Ustad’s points, bring it. Or shut up and save yourself from hell fire.
Wow this was amazing MashaAllah the knowledge and memorization to be able to follow everything you say with examples is just wow. May Allah reward you for this 🙏🏾
Ignore him he has sent the same message to everyone frauding people
In our age, Ibn Taymiyya’s religious rulings is used selectively as the a tip of the spear to crash despotic rulers in the Muslim World, when if one studies his whole corpus of religious teachings, one finds he was dynamic and versatile scholar with nuance understanding of the Islamic tradition and jurisprudence.
To sum up Ibn Taymiyya’s treatise, the Muslim
community is obligated to fulfill the prophetic caliphate. However, no ideal caliph exists, and the Muslim community must make do with sinful kings whose rule brings far more benefit than harm. Ibn Taymiyya does not allow overturning prohibitions against things like eating carrion and drinking wine on a whim. However, he does think that it is not always possible to keep the law to perfection. It is thus necessary to do what most benefits the community in the overall circumstances. This is in fact the way of the Prophet, according to Ibn Taymiyya, and inasmuch as utilitarian reasoning is the very way of the Prophet, it is paradoxically the way to keep the law to perfection after all.
PUBLIC AUTHORITY AND THE LAW.
Whether or not a true caliph exists, Ibn Taymiyya expects the public authorities to take the lead in commanding the right and prohibiting the wrong. He grounds public authority (wilaya) in both scripture and rational argument. As for scripture, he interprets “authorities” in the Qur’anic verse, “O you who believe! Obey God, and obey the Messenger and the authorities among you” (Q. 4:59), to include both religious scholars and military and political leaders. His rational argument begins with the premise that human beings are communal by nature. They need to cooperate to attain benefits in this world and in the hereafter. Humans need leaders who both command and prohibit with those ends in view and have sufficient power and authority to administer justice and establish religion.
In this more philosophical spirit, Ibn Taymiyya sometimes speaks of justice (‘adl) as a kind of natural law. God supports justice wherever it is found, even among unbelievers. Ibn Taymiyya writes, “It is said, ‘God gives victory to the just state, even if it is unbelieving, and He does not give victory to the unjust state, even if it is Muslim’... This is because justice is the order of everything. So, if the affairs of this world are maintained by justice, they will endure, even if he who is responsible has no share in the hereafter” (MF 28:146).
Excerpt from: "Ibn Taymiyya" by Jon Hoover. Scribd.
Great explanation brother
There are several points that probably needs some further clarification.
We don't have a proper Ash'ari scholar rebutting. Also we will need to know what is that scholar's stance in Ash'ari.
I guess the video will easily be 10 hours if that's the case.
As somebody that has not much knowledge, I won't be easily calling others as deviant, things as bid'ah and join this quarreling against each other.
I am just a muslim and I try to do and perfect the basics of Islamic teachings.
As an Ashari I can say he got some stuff wrong
@@m4fital2 exactly ….
ash’ari goes over many of their heads then - he breaks it down as basic in a nonsensical way, as if its a form of heresey ……
btw,
did he know that ibn taymiyyah (the great scholar against this form of aqidah) actually reversed his decesions on Ghazali for instance in his last few books that weirdly nobody knows about???? plus, its tough to be a shaf’i and a salafi?? think about it - salafi takes the same reasonings of hanbali jurisprudence - which takes WEAK hadiths OVER reasoning and judgement based off the qur’an and sunnah, which is contrary to Shaf’i
in fact, salafi isnt even technically aqidah - its just part of the traditionalist creed of imam hanbal known as “traditionalist creed/aqidah” - so while yes, it follows this creed - so one can say salafi is an aqidah, its really just a “sect” of hanbali jurisprudence - and I have no problem with salafi, but wahhabism is grown off strict non reasoning aspects of salafi - though its unfair to call a salafi a wahabbi - as there much different- but all wahhabis are salafist
ash’ari does NOT move away from the Quran or Sunnah in fact it looks at it deeeep without going astray and staying within the boundaries - its a science in its own right from an external AND INTERNAL way of looking at Allah (swt) and his prophets …. - read Al-Ghazali please, instead of hearing what others say and form your own opinion (start with part 1 Ihyā’ ‘ulum al-din) , a pure shafi’i who honestly might have been over shaf’i in terms of knowledge - the amount of books he wrote (over 300) and more is just one aspect of his knowledge and HAD great respect for all four major - there is reasons why he is nicknames the “proof of Islam” - he alone can convert someone alone through his way of bringing the Quran and Sunnah into a simple but complex (paradoxical) way that shows anyone how its in your inherent threads as a human being
You have a good point
@@TheWorldStageGeopolitics he has this idea that our logic can’t be used to prove Allah existence even those every Ash’ari knows that Allah exists. I mean I’m assuming salafis don’t give dawah then because how are they going to prove to a non Muslim that Allah exists.
The definition of proving is demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument.
@@MG-kt1nv it’s really funny because Ibrahim AS literally used mantiq to realize the existence of Allah swt
Needed clarification and I benefited. May Allah aza wajjal Bless these brothers and this channel...Ameen!!
@@mobrown7751 Brother are sure that you are correct with your claim Ashariyyah is the main body? I expect some kind of proof with your claim.
@@imranchoate the ummah has been, is and will be ash’ari until the end inshaAllah. deviant groups like wahhabiya came and tried to misguide the ummah throughout the history but we ahlus sunnah existed without any affliction. one day, they and their lies will perish as well inshAllah
@@mamurolimov Indeed all deviated sects will lead to hell fire. May Allah aza wajjal guide us all to the straight path as practiced by Muhammad salalhi 'aliyhi wa salam and the Pious Predecessors (May Allah bless them all) long before Imam al Wahab and al Maturidi came about May Allah bless the Muslim who were upon the the correct Guidance! Ameen!
@@imranchoate ameen and alhamdulillah we follow the four great imams and their aqeedah
@@mobrown7751you idiot, the jama3ah is not the majority, the salaf used to say the jama3ah is one single person if his belief is true and everyone else is wrong he is the jama3ah…to your claim that would mean imam Ahmed was not amongst the jama3ah in his time since the jamhoor was mu3tazillah…fear Allah you donkey.
To be completely honest: I'm Athari and I know many "Asharis/Maturidis" atleast by the way they are labeled(like Deobandis/Azhar students and others) and none of them hold even one belief that Abdur Rahman Hassan mentioned. None of them believe Abu Talib was a Muslim, or that Iman and a3maal have no connection or that we take the aql over the clear text or we don't have to say La ilaha illah or that Irja isn't innovation or the Qur'an is created or that Allah has only 7 attributes.....
The only thing that slightly fits them is that they have tafweed on some issues like Yad and wajh. So to label them the Asha'ri the way Abdur Rahman Hassan just described is completely wrong, they would be more like Nawawi and Ibn Hajar who made slight ta'weel on some of the names and attributes of Allah
Both sides do this, they say atharis do tajseem and give a few quotes
an Nawawi and ibn Hajar weren't Ashairah, they didnt fill up the usuul of the Ashairah. They only had 1 of the Usuul which was the ta'wil. They were Athari Alhamdulillah.
@@AIMMONSTA That's what I said, read my post again
Brother, there is a difference between what the laymen Ash'ari say from hearsay and what the complete Ash'ari creed with its foundations and principles is according to the ones who laid the foundations for it and how it is thaught to their students of knowledge.
This is like saying that you know Shia that don't say Abu Bakr and Umar radiallahu anhuma are Kaafir, they only believe that Ali should have been first Caliph. Does this now negate that their heads of the Twelvers do Takfīr of every Sahabi except 4 and that they ritually curse the Sahaba, especially those who learn the creed from their scholars.
I hope you understand the difference. And by the way, the Ustadh made the distinction between the normal layman Ash'ari, whom he believes are sincere people who would reject these believes if they came to them, and the students who learns and spreads this Aqeedah.
@@AIMMONSTA An Nawai was definitely ashari, read his views on these issues, he defended every ashari position out there.
Islamqa has a fatwa or it, but you don't need it, just read his views, he was 100% ashari
May Allah make AbdulRahman hassan the first certified ‘alim of ahlu sunnah from the uk
Ameen
@@bilalchow4683 are you being serious lol ustadh abdur rahman schooled asrar rashid. Ill never forgett that debate lol
Loool Asrar got sent back to "darul uloom" again in that debate
that was very brillant and insightful discussion, keep it on brothers barakallah fiykum
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Whos a fraudster@@changinglifestyle6675
It is so ridiculous that when atharis confront shias ,they say sunna are the majority of muslims ,but when confronting asharis ,they deny that asharis belong to Sunna ,even if they are the majority of muslims.ما لكم كيف تحكمون
conclusion is simple, this salafi/athari versus ashaari/maturidi conflict if not curbed and find harmony, fanatics will turn this into a global inter-Muslim war near future.
Harmony is very simple, following the Qur'an and Sunnah with understanding of the Sahabah RadhiAllahu Anhum dear brother.
Nope
subhanallah such a knowledgeable ustadh may Allah preserve him
*_Masha'Allah, an excellent discourse on _**_#Asharis_**_._*
Asharis are from from ahlu sunnah because if we dont say so, many great scholars were be thrown away and its absurd since we are basically saying some abbasid caliphs were not sunni
Abu Zakaria Yahya Ibn Sharaf An Nawawi and Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalan were both Ash’aris. This is according to Muḥammad Nāṣir ad-Dīn al-Albānī, the most quoted and famous Salafi hadith scholar. A major figure of the Salafi methodology of Islam.
So was Abū Bakr Muḥammad ibn aṭ-Ṭayyib al-Bāqillānī. Al-Baqillani is often given the honorary epithets Shaikh as-Sunnah ("Doctor of the Prophetic Way").
Sayf as-Sunna ("Sword of the Prophetic way"), Imād al-Dīn ("Pillar of the Faith"), Nāsir al-Islām ("Protector of Islam").
So was Abu Hamed Al-Ghazālī, Hujjat al-Islam is an honorific title meaning "authority on Islam" or "proof of Islam. He is known as one of the most prominent and influential philosophers, theologians, jurists, logicians and mystics.
The Ash’ari same as Maturidis say God’s essence are transcendence and can’t be known. In the Quran Allah says nothing is like God. We can only refer to him in the negative. There are five (صفات الصلبيه) negating what Allah is not.
Allah’s transcendence "تَنْزيه".
1. Pre-eternal, no beginning.
2. Everlastedness, no end.
3. Self sufficient, no need.
4. Dissimilar, no like.
5. Oneness, no other.
Allah’s immanence "تَشْبيه"
The attributes of Allah are positive attributes, which are attributes of meaning, they are neither his essence nor are they seperate from his essence, Allah's attributes are established with his essence. His attributes are pre-eternal. There are 7 attributes that are taught in Ash'ari Aqeedah, and their meaning which are also 7.
1. Life, (1) the ever living.
2. Knowledge, (2) the all knowing.
3. Will, (3) the all willing.
4. Power (4) the all powerful.
5. Speech.
6. Seeing.
7. Hearing.
Allah is neither connected to his creation nor disconnected from his creation.
This Is False. The Understanding Of The Ayat ,
"فَاطِرُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ جَعَلَ لَکُمۡ مِّنۡ اَنۡفُسِکُمۡ اَزۡوَاجًا وَّ مِنَ الۡاَنۡعَامِ اَزۡوَاجًا ۚ یَذۡرَؤُکُمۡ فِیۡہِ ؕ لَیۡسَ کَمِثۡلِہٖ شَیۡءٌ ۚ وَ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡبَصِیۡرُ
He is] Creator of the heavens and the earth. He has made for you from yourselves, mates, and among the cattle, mates; He multiplies you thereby. There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing. " Surah Ash Shura Ayat 11 Translation Saheeh International
The Ayat clearly negates Tashbeeh (Resemblance) Of Allah Subahana WaTala with others. This does not entail that He does not possess Attributes that have a foundational meaning relatable to us. This is a quote to help Understood what The Arabs Of Rasulullahi SalaAllahu Ali Hi WaSalam time linguisticly thought of Tashbeeh.
"Imam Ishaq bin Rahwaih (2) (d. 238 H.) said: «Tashbeeh takes place when one says (Allaah’s) Hand is like (someone’s or something’s) hand or similar to a hand; or (His) Hearing is like (someone’s or something’s) hearing or similar to a hearing. So if one says (Allaah’s) Hearing is like a hearing or similar to a hearing, this is likening Allaah to His creation [Tashbih]. However, if one says as Allaah the Most High stated: Hand [yad], Hearing [same’] and Sight [basar], and does not say “how”, nor say: like a hearing or similar to a hearing, such is not regarded as Tashbeeh, and it is as stated by Allaah the Most High in His Book: {There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer.} [42: 11]. Sunan At-Tirmidhi (2/42)
To claim that That The Ayat in Surah Ash Shura entails that concept of Transcendance is simply imposing one's understand to The Text.
Subhanallah this is brilliant. May Allah bless both of you. Wallahi Shahid did an outstanding job at probing and picking, resulting in a detailed analysis of the issue. Alhamdulilah beautiful. 🖤
Jezakumullah Kheyren, if you prepare a pdf of this podcast that would be great.
Look how on 26.59 Ustaad Abdur Rahman says Ismail at-Timi al-Asbahani was a early imam of the salaf.
They passed away in the 6th century lol.
It would be best to invite an actual Ashari scholar and then hold this conversation. This discussion is one-sided unfortunately.
Abdur Rahman Hassan did debate Asrar Rashid in the past.
One question is when "use of mind or aql" is being mentioned regarding asharis, does it PRIORITIZE apparent LOGIC or apparently JUSTIFIABLE IMAGINATIONS only? Because many things like Quran being created, iman being static i.e. without any fluctuations, etc seems illogical and even the mind can be used to state that these are illogical
MashaAllah, genuine session, beats debate videos by far. The kinds of ulama of the future that our kids will & should refer to. Let us & our generations benefit from their knowledge in their chest while all these Ustadz & Ustadzah are all young & teaching their best while facing a new different world now. It's supposed to be simple & easy, as Allah has made it for our beloved Prophet SAW, his sahabah & us laymen to understand, the aqal should not control the meaning of AlQuran, only AlQuran can control (GUIDE) the aqal. Without AlQuran, we would all be insane & lost. Alhamdulillah, majority in South East Asia, are Mazhab As-Syafie. May Allah unite us with all them Imaams in Jannahtul Firdausi Al-A'la.
@01:35:00 :
Evidence that this argument is currently accepted or how many Ashari themselves refuted it = 404 in this video
mashaAllah. I can't believe the Ahaairah say these things so bluntly in their own books. It's crazy
تبارك الله
Iklas and knowledge, speaking with sound proof, May Allah bless the shaykh.
Lovely discussion this was.
Athari creed > Ash’ari creed
Ahki you're funny man but you should change your name and photo. That made me laugh
Both upon falsehood.
Ahl sunnah wal jamaah. Khalas
@@UltimateFreekickerzdok Shi'a
@@anonymousperson1904 ...
42:19- Ya Habibi, the Ashā'irah say the same thing. It's only an apparent conflict between the aql and literal meanings of the Nusūs. You agree with this 💯
" Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course,
Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, Asharis guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah!
Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 :
He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation.
Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism,
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Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, *“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,* and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’
The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah.
However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, *Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.* They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
I like the fact that brother Shahid is challenging Ustad Abdu Rahman. I don't understand why Ta'weel is wrong. Even Allah says, some of the ayats have ta'weel. Qur'an 3:7
Assalamualaikum Ustaz. It would be very beneficial if u could give the reference for all attribution of statements to the Ashairah in the comment section. Like which book and which page or which chapter. Barakallahufeek
@Mario Büstner actually i found the reference. Not all of them but some of them so thank u :)
as salam aleykem. ma sha Allah for the useful podcast. is there any podcast like this about maturidis? i would be greatful.
How come a man memories so much of knowledge. Wonderful, allahumma barikk.
I thought he was reading from a screen (when watched earlier videos). Impressive. Masha Allah.
Have to give credit to brother shahid who asks the pressing questions to gain a further understanding from a layman’s prespective, because we don’t hold the lim ustadh does, so the lim really needs to broken down for us.
مقدمة المقطع جميلة جدا والله ، تلاوة رائعة
So much benefit jazakallah.
Subhan Allah this is uncovering the ashari reality by the permission of Allah.
Asharis no reply
We can go over one of the issues ARH says in this video about Ahlul Sunnah on a different platform
İt's interview, it wasn't dibats
Yes finally! I always wanted to hear this specific topic!
1st Imam Ashari repented & became close to Athari writing al Ibana before death!
Salafis I know, say we don't liken Allah to his creation & affirm his Attributes as in Quran 42 :11 & 7 :180 - affirming Allah's attributes without likening. Allah is All Hearing & Seeing, & also we hear & see - so based on Khulab/"Ashari" logic Allah can't Hear or See! Aw'uthubillah!
Ahlul Sunni, here I mean, Islam or salafis teach 3 categories of Tawhid/Oneness.
1. Tawhid Rububiyah - Allah's Lordship or His actions as Creator etc. (Quran 1 :2)
2. Tawhid Ulluhiyah - Allah's Oneness in Godhood or being served as He taught (Quran 6 :162 & 163).
3. Tawhid Asma wa Saffat - Names and Attributes of Allah understood properly...
Category 3 has 4 sub pillars to understand Allah's (Tawhid in) Names & Attributes:
A) No Tatil or denial - Quran 7 :180. - Affirm Allah's perfect attributes!
B) No Tamthil or likening, - Quran 42 -11. - Affirm without likening.
C) No Takyif or questioning the how of the unseen - Quran 17 :36.
D) No Tahrif or distorting w/o evidence - Quran 7 :33.
(Hence directing implying any Tawil is Tawqif/Text based, Quran 3 :7)
Some of us believe tahrif may involve tatil as well of the apparent meaning.
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Clarifications on our view:
A) Salafis don't say Attributes of Allah mean an appendage of limb/body...
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said: It is well-known that there is no report from any of the Prophets or from the Sahaabah or from the Taabi‘een or from any of the early generations of the ummah to suggest that Allah is a physical entity or that He is not a physical entity. Rather denying or affirming that is an innovation according to Islam. End quote. - Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (5/434).
I propose - They, Khulab/Asharis should be nuetral like Ibn Tamiyyah and say we don't say about Allah what isn't revealed & we don't know and affirm what Allah says, following Quran 7 :33 or they open endless shirk & division!
We affirm what Allah affirm and nuetral on what Allah hasn't mentioned!
Khulab Asharis don't affirm what Allah has affirmed and affirm what Allah hasn't mentioned! - this is enough to show their error!
For Khulab Asharis to differentiate attributes all of which Allah said to confirm, shows they are following someone other then Allah showing error! Usually greek philosophers who say bodies are temporary so Khulab Asharis use this logic & say therefore imply foreign logic is here = to Islam & this is wrong, we seek refuge from that!
They are also saying Allah's Attributes if true is then like creation so they fall into tamthil/likening they are running from showing internally who is right and Ahlul Sunnah is the middle path with no contradictions!
Allah is Creator, not like creation... Just like Allah's Hearing & Seeing isn't like ours, So Allah's Face, Hands etc. isn't like ours & for Khulab/Asharis to affirm Hearing and Seeing which in creation also only takes place in bodies shows their contradiction in logic as well. **Again one should just affirm Attributes & be nuetral on what Allah didn't say knowing He is Ahad/unique, incomparable like the salaf - & this is truly rejecting tamthil, & Ibn Taymiyyah reminds of this.**
for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that!
B)
Re: "directions" - We say what Islam teaches & don't add or subtract out of humbleness as there is nothing like Allah. Allah's High above the Arsh is a sign of Tawhid taught to the Muslim slave & even firaun in Sura 28 & 40...
Direct Evidence Allah is above His Arsh in the Farewell Sermon, Abu Bakr, Abu Hanifa etc.
1. ... I have left among you the Book of Allah, and if you hold fast to it, you would never go astray. And you would be asked about me (on the Day of Resurrection), what would you say? They (the audience) said: We will bear witness that you have conveyed (the message), discharged (the ministry of Prophethood) and given wise (sincere) counsel. He (the narrator Jafar bin Muhammad) said: **He (the Blessed Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him) then raised his forefinger towards the sky and pointing it at the people (said):" O Allah, be witness. 0 Allah, be witness," saying it thrice.** (Bilal then) pronounced Adhan and later...
source : Sahih Muslim 1218 a - book of hajj/pilgrimage.
2. Aqida Tahawiya on Allah above the Throne (الْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ)
وَالْعَرْشُ وَالْكُرْسِيُّ حَقٌّ -
The Throne (al-‘arsh) and the Footstool (al-kursī) are true.
وَهُوَ مُسْتَغْنٍ عَنِ الْعَرْشِ وَمَا دُونَهُ -
He is independent of the Throne and whatever is beneath it.
مُحِيطٌ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ وَفَوْقَهُ وَقَدْ أَعْجَزَ عَنِ الْإِحَاطَةِ خَلْقَهُ -
He encompasses all things and *He is above it,* and what He has created is incapable of encompassing Him.
Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings on him said I am the most blessed salaf for you - Sahihayn!
Salafi Dawa is the path to the Sunna, Quran 9 :100... (Manhaj of Sahabas, 4 mathhabs, etc.)
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Point 2 :
Salafis reject Khulab Ashari view of rejecting the description of Allah & jahmiyah reject Allah's description of Himself & at times also try to redefine it going into another error of tahrif or speaking about Allah without knowledge or Quran 7 :33.
For examples Ashari say Allah's Hands means power violating Quran 7 :33. But Allah says He has 2 hands. does this mean He has 2 powers?
In Hadiths Allah created 3 things with His Hands, Jannah's plantings, Adam and the Torah.
So how about the rest of the world created by His power, see Quran 65 :12?
So the Ashari view contradicts Islam's teachings, but even before that the error they made is that they are not humble and accepting to Allah's words as he taught...
Also see this example...
When Allah asked satan why don't you prostrate to who I created with My Own Hands in Surah 38 :75? If Hands meant power satan could of said you made with with Your Hands as well oh Allah...
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In Summary : With regards to Allah's Attributes (Hands in Quran 5 :64 or Face in Quran 75 :22, or Shin in Quran 68, or Eyes in Quran 54 etc.)
Salafis - Affirm (no tatil), without likening (tamthil) leaving takyif/modality...
for someone to say affirming the meaning of Allah's words is tamthil is accusing Allah of tamthil, and we seek refuge with Allah from that!
To change the meaning of something from the unseen needs evidence from text as only Allah reveals the unseen as He wishes (Quran 6 :50 etc.)
As the hadiths say Allah made us in His Image in His will, not the other way around.
Asharis type 1 (tahrif) - do tatil and tahrif/tawil (violating Quran 7 :33), denying the apparent and say about Allah what they don't know or... for them to even imply they can do ijtihad is to violate not doing takyif (Quran 17 :36) & only agreeing with Salafis on not likening Allah.
Ashari type 2 (tafwid) - do tatil (violating Quran 7 :180) of the meaning but agree with the salafis on not likening or rejecting tamthil and tawil or leaving the takyif/modality!
sometimes they say we deny outward meaning for another outward meaning but leave the kayf to Allah, thats a contradiction unless you want to either agree with salafis on outward meaning or
... say their is a secret meaning tahrif violating Quran 7 :33 & Quran 5 :3 that Islam is complete, as Islam is a clear and open religion, showing you open up doors to make up lies on Islam limitlessly and this is the danger of the khulab Ashari bida!
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 no your wrong salafis literally say Allah has a right and a left hand and both hands have fingers.
I tried to listen with an open mind but he was saying anything. Ashari for life Allah is nothing like his creation.
@@m4fital2 "both hands have..." so do you reject Qur'an & the Salaf?
Qur'an 38 : 75 - (Allah) said: "O Iblis (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with **Both My Hands.** Are you too proud (to fall prostrate to Adam) or are you one of the high exalted?" - ... even satan didn't say oh you created me with your Hands if it meant power...
@@m4fital2 " Allah is nothing like his creation." - of course,
Qur'an 16 : 60 - For those who believe not in the Hereafter is an evil description, and for Allah is the highest description. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. - We Affirm, Allah's highness, you guys don't, notice denying Allah's description is linked to Denying hereafter when we see Allah!
Fiqhul Akbar by Abu Hanifah, Point 4 :
He has a Hand, a Face, and a self (nafs); the mention that God most High has made of these in the Qur’an has the sense that these are among His attributes, and no question can be raised concerning their modality (bila kayf). It cannot be said that His hand represents His power of His bestowal of bounty, because such an interpretation would require a negation of an attribute. This is the path taken by the Qadarites and the Mu’tazilites. Rather, His hand is an attribute, of unknowable modality, in the same way that His anger and pleasure are two attributes of unknowable modality God Most High created things out of nothing, and He had knowledge of them in pre-eternity, before their creation.
Point 12 : God Most High will be seen in the Hereafter, visible to the believers in Paradise with their corporeal vision. This we say without any implication of anthropomorphism,
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Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, **“It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah,** and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’
The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah.
However, the Jahmiyyah (ASHARIS) oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, **Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge.** They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
In the book of Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar I have, the translation doesn't say "unknowable modality", it says "without description"
Can you point to me the Arabic that says "unknowable modality" in the quote of Imām Abu Hanīfa?
39-41- taking precedence of the outward meanings of the Nusūs in some places is kufr for example in Surah 'Araf 51-
فَٱلْيَوْمَ نَنسَىٰهُمْ كَمَا نَسُوا۟ لِقَآءَ يَوْمِهِمْ هَٰذَا وَمَا كَانُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٰتِنَا يَجْحَدُونَ
Translation- So today We will forget them just as they forgot the meeting of this Day of theirs and for having rejected Our verses.
Do you believe Allah ﷻ forgets? If no, then you have given precedence of you aql over the outward meanings of the Naql.
If you don't mind me asking what happened to the video on hijrah and homosexuality? Has RUclips removed them
Yes
Subhanallah, this is evidence for the Muslims to run from them lands asap.
@Average Mo Its hate speech? Yet david wood and his cronies keep posting and dont have their videos removed.
How is Shahid even able to play this role throughout this episode. SubhanAllah
أتمنى أن هذه الرسالة توصل للأخ عبدالرحمن حسن. ممكن تعمل مقطع عن ابن زوطى الكوفي ذاك الذي ينسب إليه العلم. و تناقش عنه ما حاله بين الجرح والتعديل(ولاكن بإنصاف و عدالة لأن المشايخ يجاملون جدًا في هذه المسألة) هو فعلا سقط من قلبي منذ زمان طويل لأجل جرحه المفسر من السلف و إجماعهم كما نقله صاحب الحائية. في ناس كفره طبعا أنا ما أكفره لأنه أخطائه لم يوصل للكفر و فوق ذلك ما كفره السلف. وكذلك في نفس الوقت المتأخرون و المعاصرون تعرف موقفهم فيه و هذا خلاف موقف السلف و الواقع فيه. اليوم الطلبة والمشايخ يذمُّون الحسن بن صالح و ما يذمون ذاك الشخص!! بأي حق؟؟ و الحسن بن صالح أفضل و أعلم و أقرب منه بالسنة وبالحق. هل هذا لأنه عدد المتابعين والزمان يغير حال الأشخاص؟ أليس من شروط المفتي أن يعرف الحديث بل يكون عالما به و هذا بالإجماع و هو يجهل به بإجماع المحدثين. ربي يحفظك و يحفظ جميع أهل السنة و قناتك النافعة المباركة. و يزدادك علما.
تنبيه فقط و اللهِ أنا لست من الحداداية بالعكس والله أحب العلماء ولو زلُّوا في مسائل، مثل ابن حجر و النووي و الشوكاني وابن الجوزي وابن حزم رحمهم الله رحمة واسعا بالعكس مَن مِن علمائنا خدموا السنة أكثر من هؤلاء؟؟
والسلام
I wish you guys kept doing this series. Knowledge is dying 😢
u in amau akhi?
I have a question based from what I have seen over the years, is it an innovation and contrary to the Sunnah or worse that some people amongst the Muslims are discussing scholarly issues with lay people and as a result causing great confusion amongst lay people?
And I am not too knowledgeable, so make note of that, but I do believe that you may have misconstrued some of the opinions of the Ash'aris. For example, I am quite sure that most of them _do not_ believe the Quran is created. It would be nice to have a knowledgeable Ash'ari on the podcast to see his point of view.
Brother barakallah fik . The sheikh is very knowledgeable on what he is talking about . You may understand where he is coming from because you are not while knowledgeable on ashari. This is not defending about your group it is about following quran and sunnah and the understanding of sahaba. Even if we say the ashari don't believe quran is created what about the names of Allah and other deviant believes they have. I advise brother look at this episode with open mind and without attachment with clear that you gonna stand infront of Allah you judgement. Fear Allah you gonna stand that you gonna against the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. May Allah guide us all to the straight path.
He literally quoted the heads of the ashaaira, stating their own beliefs regarding the quran and the sunnah...
@Average Mo
1. It is bad because you are going against clear evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. Opposing the unanimous consensus of the salaf. What could be worse than saying about Allah that which Allah has negated.
2. When you say "both sides", who is on the other side? The salaf have unanimously agreed the Quran is not created. Since you have made the claim that there is support if you study the issue, this implies you have studied the issue. Please do provide these supporters and their supporting evidence.
3. We take our understanding from those who had the best understanding, who were present when the Quran was revealed, and whom Allah and then his messenger have affirmed their piety and truthfulness.
@Average Mo the evidence the Quran is not created is Quran 7 :54 - for Allah is the creation and the command! the Quran is from Allah and will return back to Allah in end times when the Quran will disappear from the pages on Earth!! it is saying Allah's speech attribute is created like creation, its why its disbelief.
On the matter of 'aql. In a debate with a maturdi (they are almost the same as ash'aries) once, I mentioned a hadith, where the Messenger of Allah (SAS) asked a girl: where is Allah. She, pointing to the heaven, answered: in the heaven. Upon this, my maturdi friend said:"Well, if you are pointing up here, then another person on the other side of the globe is also pointing to the sky, then the two of you are pointing in different directions." This is what the lecturer means, that that take their 'aql before religious texts. Both the lecturer and the interviewer are young, masha Allah, and may Allah give them guidance and patience. May he help them in their work and ease it for them. Many things are going to fall in place with more experience, insha Allah.
That's not using aql in a bad way though, aql is of many types, that's just a basic refutation of the understanding of SOME atharis.
To say Allah is physically up means he is physically in every direction because it changes depending on where you stand on the earth.
So yes, the coreect understanding is that Allah is above in a way we cannot comprehend and it's perfectlty fine to point up, not the false understand that he is physically in a single pointed direction like you maybe understanding.
Both sides are using aql to understand it, one is clearly wrong because of that basic refutation.
@@MASSAM9669 Why add words? That is the problem.
The Prophet ﷺ affirmed Allah being over the Heavens. Many companions said that Allah is over the seven Heavens as have the Salaf (see my pinned tweet on twitter).
Leave it at that!
Saying: No, you can't say Allah is here of there, or physical or at one point bla bla bla!
Who told you to speak like that? Affirm what Allah affirmed and deny what Allah denied fro Himself! Don't talk about Allah what Allah Himself did not talk about. Only because of unncessary speech like this, all of these problems and discussions have started.
@@look4yourself650 Brother, you missed my point, it's atharis that add words (well everyone does tbh which is why I'm neutral now)
Everyone agrees that Allah is above the throne, atharis add words like physically or literally with his presence/body, and then go on to say there is a gap between the throne and Allah or that Allah has a hadd and loads and loads of other added stuff (read athari books).
No one is free from taweel and adding things to what the Quran and Ahadith say, atharis fall into exactly what they accuse others of.
Like i mentioned, some atharis even said Allah is like a 3d object, they were not that far from the mujassimah.
@@MASSAM9669 How I wished that you watch the video...
@@look4yourself650 Brother, I don't need to watch it all, I used to follow these this side myself until I actually critically analysed both sides and realised theres no difference.
My point is simple, both atharis and asharis have different strands, both claim to follow the earliest scholars but neither do, the scholars warned us about delving into the kayf yet both asharis and atharis do it unfortunately.
I gave examples that you can't even reply to, if the reply was in the video you would answer. Tell me which Ayah or hadith talks about Allah touching the throne or not, tell me which one says that Allah has a hadd?
These are issues both atharis and asharis talked extensively about in their books
I looked at the references on page 172 and I couldn’t find this statement at 36:45 does anyone know where I can find it?
Did you find it?
Assalamu Alaikum
JazakAllah Khair 👍
Sheikh has a lot of knowledge ماشاءاللہ تبارک اللہ
Allahumma Barick
Mashallah pure knowlodge underrated legend abdulrahman hassan
Beautiful studio.
طرح رائع بارك الله فيكم
Asalaamu Alaykum.
The only think I didnt like about this episode is, the 10 minute Rule. Love the introductions always. Please dont put any time on it as it's the main concept of the topic and feels like we just missed more information. Jazaakallahu khairan
Complete agree but there is so much other to discuss about this people that's why he limit the introduction. I also didn't like that rule as vid went I understood .
@@abdallaomar4673 He said it's a big topic and needs it's on show but felt like he put a limit to the introduction.
I love the introduction, it's where I agree or disagree and get to be proven wrong or Learn the source why I am wrong. Like the advanture 😂😂..
@@abdiqadirabdullahi3101 I also love the introduction especially of ustadh abdulrahman hassan it is very detailed and filled with insights and knowledge.
It would be interesting to hear from the scholars who do follow the Ash’ari creed, for comparison. These topics should be debates between scholars, not one-sided ‘arguments’.
Yourself can go and verify with a ashari scholar , just like I did
Shaykh al-Islam Ahmad ibn Hajar 'Asqalani (d. 852/1449; Rahimullah), the mentor of Hadith scholars and author of the book "Fath al-Bari bi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari", which not a single Islamic scholar can dispense with, was Ash'ari. The shaykh of the scholars of Sunni Islam, Imam Nawawi (d. 676/1277; Rahimullah), author of "Sharh Sahih Muslim" and many other famous works, was Ash'ari. The master of Qur'anic exegetes, Imam Qurtubi (d. 671/1273; Rahimullah), author of "al-Jami' li ahkan al-Qur'an", was Ash'ari. Shaykh al-Islam ibn Hajar Haytami (d. 974/1567; Rahimullah), who wrote "al-Zawajir 'an iqtiraf al-kaba'ir", was Ash'ari. The Shaykh of Sacred Law and Hadith, the conclusive definitive Zakariyya Ansari (d. 926/1520; Rahimullah), was Ash'ari. Imam Abu Bakr Baqillani (d. 403/1013; Rahimullah), Imam 'Asqalani; Imam Nasafi (d. 710/1310; Rahimullah); Imam Shirbini (d. 977/1570; Rahimullah); Abu Hayyan Tawhidi, author of the Qur'anic commentary "al-Bahr al-muhit"; Imam ibn Juzayy (d. 741/1340; Rahimullah); author of "al-Tashil fi 'ulum al-Tanzil"; and others - all of these were Imams of the Ash'aris
@@pointdot094 ibn hajar and al nawawi are not ashari brother , yes in some things they did but overall they never adopted the ashari mazhab , you can see it in their tafseer of Hadith and fatwas . You brought many names but guess what , Imam Bukhari doesn’t have any ashari beliefs , Imam Muslim , Imam nisaii, Imam abu Dawood , Imam tirmizi, Imam tabari, Imam Ahmad , Imam Malik , Imam Shafi , Imam abu Hanifah , none of them agree or have any similar understandings of the asharis when it comes to usool , and aqeedah , or in understanding the sunnah , NONE ….and who I mentioned are above those who you mentioned in knowledge and in guidance. So what’s your point brother ? Who I mentioned should be the scholars you take your methodology from . Start with the top brother and you will see where the problem is .
@@Ameermensur80
Don’t call be brother. I really dislike salafees to begin with. If you know what a Dunning Kruger chart is, salafees are at the peak of stupidity. High confidence level but no knowledge. There are many ways you can educate yourself. We live at a time where knowledge is accessible Alhamdulillah.
Don’t be part of the echo chamber. You’ve seen the transformation of Yasir Qadhi and other salafees who were sincere with Allah.
@@Ameermensur80
Here’s 85 lectures that are half hour each.
This could be the beginning of the end of your ignorance.
ruclips.net/p/PLkV-tEbsWhdO5M_DZDXzXMDriFD5MJwxf
Barakallahu feekum!
May Allah guide us all and bless ustad for all the benefits he has done for this ummah.
Hes a fraudster ignore him he's sent the same message to everyone. Please report him immediately on YT so others are warned too!!
India and Pakistan are having the issue of biddah because of high influence of sufia as we are mostly reverts from our ancestors. Our forefathers were hindu sikh etc so we never pay attention to details. The first translation of a hadeeth book in subcontinent Bukhari was translated by Wahid uz Zamaan who had shii tendencies when it comes to Muaviya R.A. and it was in second half of the 1900s. So it's unfortunate.
yea i notice that, like the idea of sufism saying becoming one with all and stop worshipping matches sufism... and indian King became Muslim in the time of the Prophet peace and blessings on him, check out one message foundation.
IMPORTANT POINT-
There is a difference between the intended meaning of the Quran and Sunnah and the outward meanings of the Quran and Sunnah. This is why Imam al-Shafi'i said-
«آمنت بالله، وبما جاء عن الله، على مراد الله، وآمنت برسول الله، وبها جاء عن رسول الله على مراد رسول الله».
Translation- I believe in Allah and in what has come on the authority of Allah upon the meaning He intended. And I believe in the Messenger of Allah and what has come on the authority of the Prophet upon the meaning he intended.
Imam Al-Shafi'i did not say the "outward meaning" but the "intended meaning".
May Allah keep us firm on the straight path.
1:15:00 - 1:33:00 started my journey to Atharism alhamdulillah
What is the name of the reciter in the beginning?
Ustadh Abdur Rahman hassan
Masha' Allah very good explaining mad'hab Assalaf, اللهم بارك
Sadly many people today go into philosophy!
Very informative talk. The only problem that I have is that most of the time Sheikh Abdur Rahman speaking in Arabic. I know he is quoting from Arabic books but he could have avoided it and just mentioned the books in the links and just speak in English only. Also speaking a little slowly would have been better. I had to go back multiple times to understand what he is saying.
MashAllah the podcast is deep
37:11 Where does it even say that??? I cross referenced it and fakhr Deen razi is talking about something completely different?!?
Asalam-alaikum, is the brother on the right supposed to actually be an Ashari or is he a Salafi who is playing "devil's advocate" for the purpose of having a discussion?
Devil's advocate.
Great video ma shaa Allah
@Al Madrasatu Al Umariyyah can you please ask this imam to explain " raad al jahmiyyah of imam darimi or imam ahmed ,? reply to me please
Ustadh never responded to host regarding Hadith of nuzul
If Aqeedah is a developing thing, this denotes that even the prophet (pbuh) and his companions did not have a complete out of the box Aqeedah, which is totally false and misleading, this is not uniting, this is actually shattering! You can never unite wrong and right, this has to be black and white
تابع قرآن وسنة وفاء أحمد سلف
Big SAMZ If i say "I am walking to my house" it goes without saying that I utilise my legs. This is what ahlul sunnah are saying today. All other groups would say I walked with my hands. Or will not know what "walking" here means. The reason aqeedah appears to be developing is because simple things like this have to be explained. No new concepts are innovated. They're explained
@@papac7940 because people aren’t sticking with what the prophet peace be upon him and the salaf came with. The creed of the Salaf is the creed of the prophet khalas final. We don’t need to step into dangerous lines and do taweel like the extreme sufis and the Sufi ashari and maturidi deobandis who like to play word gymnastics when it comes Aqeedah. Let’s accept what’s clear with the understanding of the Salaf and leave it at that Alhamdulillah.
@@realtalkdawah2747 Yes of course. That's what I was alluding to akhi XD
@@papac7940 Sweet bro May Allah bless you akhi. 👍🏾. Don’t forgot to check out and subscribe to my channel please bro inshallah.
Theres a middle-path tho, both have been developed and taken to extremes just for small details. Read this muslimmatters.org/2020/09/08/the-estranged-middle-way/
ALHAMDULILLAH THUMMA JAZAAKUMULLAH KHAYRAN, VERY INTERLLECTUAL AND PROOF-GROUNDED.
السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته
Where did taftazani writes the Qur'an is creation please give me page number
Could you make a podcast on Sufism please?
@@boejiden.1445 grow up...if KHILAFATE USMANIA is ignorance..then what I would call u
the more abdul rahman explains and tries to debunk the ashariis, the more i found it profound and factual, and in line with the quran, may allah guide us all
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ there's no ahle sunnah without asharis
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ may allah guide us all, and open up our minds, aameen
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ well, i don't disagree with you
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ it's just, we don't say that allah has a literal physical hand,
@Fisabilillah فِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّٰهِ and do you think we negative the verse?? i advise you to read the ashari texts, which salafis have copy pasted for centuries, and see the debates, the use of kalam, for good, agaist the modern day atheist, have an insight for god sake, and don't exclude anybody from ahle sunnah, by listening to some shaykh, allah bless you akhi
A request it my time consuming but would benefit the audience, please do add the timestamp to and topic discussion, for quick navigation.
@01:08:00 So, he himself didn't give sadqa and Zakat and told everyone that they shouldn't fast as well? Where is that question host?