Having this as a fall back for turning a run into a no Save & Quit attempt from regular run is a rad strategy to mix it up a bit and not always just reset slower runs. Nicely done!
@@aaronmarchand999Yeah, to my mind the save&quit automatically makes it a segmented run, and those are treated VERY differently. But I don't write the rules, and the english Super Mario speedrunning community prefers it this way.
@@CptJistuceHere it is not even segmented, because save and quit is used to get to level you never were in before to begin with... Basically yog warp from world A to world C then save and quit, you the choose the world feature to start in world B, which you never reached but because you did reach world after it with warp you can choose it in the menu...
Changing the run you're going for based on how it's going is how basically every Spelunky HD speedrunner plays. All runs begin as no%. If damage is taken, it becomes low%. If a jetpack or a bunch of bombs or a teleporter appear somewhere, it becomes any%. If the door to the Black Market is found, it becomes hell%. And so on. I think it's a really good way to speedrun, because it doesn't lock you into something that the RNG may not facilitate and force you to reset. With that mindset already in my head, it makes complete sense to me to adjust the run you're going for based on how the time is stacking up. I hope this is common in all games, because it just makes so much sense.
It’s efficient and fun. It reduces stress because your not locked tone type of gameplay. This is probably how these games with rng were meant to be try-harded.
My suspicion is originally this WAS the main category, then there were heated arguments about whether the save&quit route should be allowed. The quitters won the argument, and they took over the main any% board. And now the original single-segment route gets the special "(no save&quit)" board because enough people prefer that style.
"Is 18:07 good?" Well, judging by the fact that this whole video is half a minute shorter than it, and I'm hearing this two minutes into the explanation part, I would guess: "No"
maybe im misunderstanding what you mean. If it helps clear anything up, I was comparing to the record with Save & Quit until I reached world A, and then I switched to the No Save & Quit splits
4:49 "Just for you, Selene" made me double-take, rewind, and check chat... because that's my name, and it's not common. I almost never hear it referring to anyone except me.
@Shaz8389 Viewed the Niftski vids way late but have been thinking about the eccentric speed runner. He finds the challenge more interesting than achieving records and has purposely sabotaged impressive runs. Imagine making profit in the stock market fast but since it was too easy you bought /sold in order to lose funds, perhaps it will be more fun to regain them later. Anyway, Kosmic is usually the most enjoyable speedrunner at any given time, best wishes.
>gave a legend another WR by creating a new category >promptly decide to take it away from him I'm gonna be nice and offer another category idea: Fastest 'maxout' (999,990 points)
Maxout is actually 9,999,950 points. An extra digit appears when you reach 1 million, and there's no way to score like 10 points, only 50. Maxing out the score counter is really boring and not interesting, but high score runs in general which ban just a couple things like farming koopas for points are great imo
You don't need to stall, fireworks happen if your coin count and the time remaining end in the same number. So here it happened because my coin count ended in 7 and I finished the level with a time ending in 7
@@kosmicspeedruns Makes sense. It was a bit jarring to me to have the victory fanfare cut off each time, but I guess I have a longer attention span than most these days. ;)
TBH I wonder if Luigi's just generally slower than Mario or if its just that he doesn't feel very good to play that makes people not want to play as him in speedruns.
Surely if you "save and QUIT" thats the end of the run... You've QUIT. If anything that would surely be a segmented run as you are QUITTING. What does the word QUIT even mean?!?
Segmented means multiple sessions, and repeatedly playing each one to make it as good as possible, and adding up the time of each segment to get your final time. It's basically a spliced run, but openly done in multiple parts. This is RTA- the timer starts when you start the game, and doesn't stop until you reach the end- however you accomplish that. There are tons of games which save and reset/quit for various purposes; save travel time, skip cutscenes, trigger glitches, rng manipulation. It's also really cool in this game because it distinguishes this category on the all stars version from the fds version even more.
Now new challenger coming? If Niftski joins, it's all over, so train well, Kosmic! Niftski only has 1 competition, which is Niftski! Good luck with the training, Kosmic! You may need it .. and i hope more will join you.
![SMB2-J Warpless 8-4 in 21:13 [WR] + All Stages in 35:52 [WR]](/img/1.gif)
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I bet this guy poops on a green toilet. lol
Looking forward to the SummoningSalt covering the history of this WR in a RUclips Short.
He was in chat! "Votava in shambles!"
I bet he would if this was closer to April Fools lol
The WORLD RECORD that remained on top for 20 YEARS
I feel like Summoning could still do a solid hour on this somehow.
Imagine if he did his second channel would be summoning shorts
Having this as a fall back for turning a run into a no Save & Quit attempt from regular run is a rad strategy to mix it up a bit and not always just reset slower runs. Nicely done!
Should be the opposite though, save and quit is no good
Yeah I get to do WR attempts for 3 categories at the same time, it's really fun
@@aaronmarchand999Yeah, to my mind the save&quit automatically makes it a segmented run, and those are treated VERY differently.
But I don't write the rules, and the english Super Mario speedrunning community prefers it this way.
@@CptJistuceHere it is not even segmented, because save and quit is used to get to level you never were in before to begin with... Basically yog warp from world A to world C then save and quit, you the choose the world feature to start in world B, which you never reached but because you did reach world after it with warp you can choose it in the menu...
@@TrimutiusToo But you're exiting the actual game and going to a menu "outside" of the game
Changing the run you're going for based on how it's going is how basically every Spelunky HD speedrunner plays. All runs begin as no%. If damage is taken, it becomes low%. If a jetpack or a bunch of bombs or a teleporter appear somewhere, it becomes any%. If the door to the Black Market is found, it becomes hell%. And so on. I think it's a really good way to speedrun, because it doesn't lock you into something that the RNG may not facilitate and force you to reset.
With that mindset already in my head, it makes complete sense to me to adjust the run you're going for based on how the time is stacking up. I hope this is common in all games, because it just makes so much sense.
It’s efficient and fun. It reduces stress because your not locked tone type of gameplay. This is probably how these games with rng were meant to be try-harded.
Classic music for the montage at the end
Indeed it is!
Edit: (i went and checked journey to 18:59 and it was you who edited it I now feel dumb)
Hi, what's the music please. I'm sure I know it but I can't figure it out.
@@Frakasat It's the palace theme from Zelda II; specifically, the rearrangement used in A Link Between Worlds.
@@KevinKolpack Oh right, thank you very much.
Rest in peace to one of the longest-standing records in video gaming.
Kosmic is such a tryhard that he couldn't settle for crushing the world record unless it was also sub 15 minutes.
t. thomas votava
Haha, the fireworks were just so happy to be part of the historic run.
I'm surprised that it took SO LONG for SMB2J SNES speedrunners to make that category.
My suspicion is originally this WAS the main category, then there were heated arguments about whether the save&quit route should be allowed. The quitters won the argument, and they took over the main any% board. And now the original single-segment route gets the special "(no save&quit)" board because enough people prefer that style.
@@CptJistuce I guess that's might be the main reason.
When he said 1807 I thought it was a joke about how long ago the previous record was from
me born time 😊
So nostalgic with the journey to 18:59 music! Well done for sub 15 Kosmic!
"I love Luigi. But not in this game." Me too, me too.
Meanwhile me as a kid, getting multiple game overs just to beat one level on this.
My goat kosmic, literally the best mario yt and gamer, much love as always ❤
Just started watching and wanted to mention how that Spiny kill at 3:50 is extremely smooth
20 years. Unbeated, unchallenged. Until Kosmic came along. What a legend!
"Is 18:07 good?" Well, judging by the fact that this whole video is half a minute shorter than it, and I'm hearing this two minutes into the explanation part, I would guess: "No"
Congrats on the WRs!!
I love your videos Kosmic. After watching them for so long I came back to smb1 and did a powerup jump for the first time
love how at 17:12 you can see that he didn't change the splits for his second run
maybe im misunderstanding what you mean. If it helps clear anything up, I was comparing to the record with Save & Quit until I reached world A, and then I switched to the No Save & Quit splits
4:49 "Just for you, Selene" made me double-take, rewind, and check chat... because that's my name, and it's not common. I almost never hear it referring to anyone except me.
Nostalgia everytime i hear the intro music to all-stars. Nice run man
SMB runners want their fireworks only after the run.
You can also play TLL in SMBDX for GBC
Only sort of. There are enough differences that it really is a different game.
worlds 9, A to D were never released though. so you wouldn't be able to do a D-4 run. the level data is in the ROM but incomplete though
If only premium cable (ahem) were as ineffectively blurred as the thumbnail's -3:06
06:19 Amazing fireball shot from mid-air :)
You think Tom Votava knew he still had a record?
I can't wait for there to be a "Quest to beat Tom Votava" video and it's just this video.
Damn, you know a video is old when a 20 minute vid is split into 2 parts
That 2004 speedrun is older than like 50 percent of speedrunners today.
No one talking about the "do do do dodo DO STOMP!"
Congrats for the WR 🔥👍
Excellent work! Kosmic should be able to maintain these records unless Niftski ever goes for them some day...
At this point Niftski is like trying to compete with a TAS he's so insanely fast
@Shaz8389 Viewed the Niftski vids way late but have been thinking about the eccentric speed runner. He finds the challenge more interesting than achieving records and has purposely sabotaged impressive runs. Imagine making profit in the stock market fast but since it was too easy you bought /sold in order to lose funds, perhaps it will be more fun to regain them later. Anyway, Kosmic is usually the most enjoyable speedrunner at any given time, best wishes.
Holy crap Peach kisses the hell out of Mario at the end of D-4. Lucky guy.
Trying to get all the mario WRS, good luck getting the ANY% one
I like how all the Luigi clips are not of his own setup
>gave a legend another WR by creating a new category
>promptly decide to take it away from him
I'm gonna be nice and offer another category idea: Fastest 'maxout' (999,990 points)
Maxout is actually 9,999,950 points. An extra digit appears when you reach 1 million, and there's no way to score like 10 points, only 50. Maxing out the score counter is really boring and not interesting, but high score runs in general which ban just a couple things like farming koopas for points are great imo
Hey man, a record is a record no matter how you slice it. Nice work.
Reminds me of smb2u no s+q runs, same concept right?
Correct!
I'm sorry this category
because I got 3rd place over 1hour
Peak music choice 🥹
Hydrogen Bomb vs Coughing Baby
the fact that he had the record for 20 years tho :D
Nifski and his keyboard are licking their lips…
the next logical speedrun would be setting the emulator to 2x speed.
The only thing missing from this run is a yoink. But I still love it :)
good job also in D-1 try to find a way to stall to avoid fireworks hope this might help :)
You don't need to stall, fireworks happen if your coin count and the time remaining end in the same number. So here it happened because my coin count ended in 7 and I finished the level with a time ending in 7
*anybody speed running a Mario game... "I hope Niftski doesn't start trying for this category"...
Now i kind of wanna see that 20 years old run.
i wonder if Tom Votava would (care to) react to this after so long
I’m getting the impression you’ve played this before.😂
World Record after 20 years :O
What music is at the end? Awesome stuff, quite epic
It's the palace theme from Zelda II; specifically, the rearrangement used in A Link Between Worlds.
What were your splits set to before you revealed that you were actually ahead by 1:17
It was his PB on the save+quit route
I thought he beat it in the year 1807
Tom Votava the absolute chad.
earliest i've been to this channel yet
Well done.
What an amezing run.
Heck yeah, u love to see it! 😌
Yo grats on the sub 15!! You think this is the last minute barrier?
definitely, i dont think even a tas would be close. I could see a tas being like 30 seconds faster though
Why did you cut out a few seconds on each level transition?
Nothing was happening
@@kosmicspeedruns Makes sense. It was a bit jarring to me to have the victory fanfare cut off each time, but I guess I have a longer attention span than most these days. ;)
God damn tom votava. the man the legend
congrats!
why does the in game timer count down so fast!?
It's been pretty standard (~0.8 seconds) for a lot of recent mario games, but the early ones were all over the place
TBH I wonder if Luigi's just generally slower than Mario or if its just that he doesn't feel very good to play that makes people not want to play as him in speedruns.
Koenig had a video showing the differences in Lost Levels. I think Luigi’s slower acceleration is what does it.
that was cool!
So what is your favorite game to speedrun as Luigi?
Luigis mansion, or new super mario bros. ds
Hairline
should've been kosmicd13
Surely if you "save and QUIT" thats the end of the run... You've QUIT.
If anything that would surely be a segmented run as you are QUITTING.
What does the word QUIT even mean?!?
Segmented means multiple sessions, and repeatedly playing each one to make it as good as possible, and adding up the time of each segment to get your final time. It's basically a spliced run, but openly done in multiple parts. This is RTA- the timer starts when you start the game, and doesn't stop until you reach the end- however you accomplish that. There are tons of games which save and reset/quit for various purposes; save travel time, skip cutscenes, trigger glitches, rng manipulation. It's also really cool in this game because it distinguishes this category on the all stars version from the fds version even more.
NICE
Luigi gang
Excelent
really cool :)
Fantastic job!
Don't you feel guilty taking that from him?
Hello kosmic im thamanofall
Now new challenger coming? If Niftski joins, it's all over, so train well, Kosmic!
Niftski only has 1 competition, which is Niftski!
Good luck with the training, Kosmic! You may need it .. and i hope more will join you.
Why is the channel called Kosmic 2. I don't think that won the poll.
Polls are useful for gathering information, but I don't think final decisions should be left up to them
@kosmicspeedruns Wowwwww
@kosmicspeedruns What did you determine from the poll?
@@kosmicspeedruns then what was the point of the poll if you didn't actually use it? 😂
@@realkirbykart521 gathering information
gg
Ive never been this early omg
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I love Luigi, but I think we're talking about two different things...
FREE LUIGI!!!
Luigi Mangione speed run