Additional Information + Correction: - You can still get increased stun duration if you trigger anywhere between 10-99 (outside re attempt period), you can always trigger early if you want to have more time to utilize disc set bonus such as 4-swing jazz - Apparently timer on Shiyu Defense also frozen during QTE (Credit by @kenchen1351) - I didn't stop the timer on 2nd chain attack at 50% dazed state on 10:45 (it should be running again right after the bangboo ca triggered) and it added way more duration than it should be. the correct one is only have a slight higher increase as you can see here imgur.com/a/sBuzC57 (Thank you for pointing my mistake @omgwtflolbbl5303) Learn more about heavy hit - light hit, and why support is better when perform the last chain attack here: ruclips.net/video/ls6W5uSxEuc/видео.htmlsi=FldsxVnVLmC6_8eg
So, are you saying that you WILL get the increased stun duration if you wait for the numbers to stop randomly flashing and start counting down from 99? Do you not need to wait till the meter is at 50% for the most possible time?
I tested it and you gain 0 extra stun time. This is false, someone else pointed out the 1 second difference between delaying qte and not. You should put that in the video or in your comment. I wasted a lot of time because of your misinformation.
Hitting with light hit until the bar goes down to 50% isn't really practical. Sure stunned state = more damage. But light hits also usually low damage. And the stage timer ticks at the same rate when elites/bosses are in dazed state. I think just going straight to burst is the best. You'll get next rotation earlier this way.
Yeah, figured it out too when messing around in training mode. Kinda wish you can stall your chain attack till the last second to reset the stun meter but oh wells
You don’t have to use light attacks. As long as you switch before the burst part of a move hits you can still use heavy, dash and skills, just switch before it activated the burst
@@Swillo yes it is correct. light hits doesn't only come from basic attacks. hold attack, special attack, and EX special attack also have them, what you need to avoid hitting is their heavy hit and that can be done by swapping
Bit of a misunderstanding here. When a character is switched off of during an attack, they continue their attack till the end of the animation. However even if u hit a heavy attack, if ur switched off by the time it lands, no qte is triggered. Notice how anby’s skill despite being a heavy attack did not trigger a qte here: 16:17
Light hits are fine but i think you should go for them only after the chain hits so you don’t accidentally mess up and miss chain hits Also light hits doesn’t necessarily mean low hits, basically just require some knowledge to find out which attacks continue after swapping out (eg: piper spin final strong hit still occurs after swap, and even provides i frames so has practical use outside of stun)
Also, you can attack the enemies DURING the stunned period and won't trigger QTE as long as either you don't use a full combo, any specials (swap cancelling is fine for both combo and special), ultimates, or charged attacks
I'm almost certain your theory that dazing at 50% giving more duration is wrong. Not only are some of the differences you outline on the order of a frame or two (.02s difference in one case), but your biggest showcase has a really glaring fault in which you messed up the starting and stopping of your timer. At around 11:45, your left and right setups restart their timer when the bangboo comes onto the field, while your middle timer restarts when you initiate the previous chain attack (anby). This adds ~1.5 seconds of time to your displayed chain attack total. There's an explanation elsewhere that honestly makes a whole lot more sense. When you hit 100 meter, there is a 1 second grace period. During this 1 second grace period, the meter is basically stuck at 100 and you can technically get free damage. Instantly popping the stun will make you lose this 1 second grace period because you popped it immediately. If you choose to wait, you can thus add ~1s of total stun time. How valuable that is depends on what you can do with non-heavy actions. Also, I think the time spent on the qte screen does not affect anything in Shiyu defense, as the timer actually pauses. It's pretty easy to test since the qte screen lasts 2 seconds. It's more real world time, but it doesn't progress any in game timers.
thank you for mentioning it, yes it's wrong. the timer didnt stop on 2nd chain attack. The increased stun duration after i tested it has around 1,2s increased compared to full combo chain+bangboo
This tech can be used to increase the value you get from daze/stun if you use hero switch to avoid triggering chain attacks while still using your damaging combos/skills. For example, use Billy Ex but switch to someone else before it triggers. This lets you unload a ton of damaging moves up until the 50% threshold, into a full chain sequence, into an ultimate finisher. It's a little situational and fairly execution dependent, but definitely real. Some characters and comps can make natural use of this with simple setups. For instance, Von's 2nd kick sequence of his held Ex -> Switch to Corin before the last kick, right as they're going into Daze -> Full maintain on Corin's Ex -> Full Chain -> Ultimate or more damage of your choice.
This vid and your comment are very useful info, but i figure it would be very chaotic in my head to execute this trick regularly. As I have to remember which attack is heavy and to remind myself to switch off from current character to not trigger the chain.
Bro you literally the best to explain this, with all the testing, structured explaination supported by the real-time images & video pauses. This is a chef kiss level of content & presentation. Definitely subscribed deserved, thanks a lot! 👍🔥
The re-attempt and penalty daze explanation was extremely helpful, sometimes the enemy would lose daze extremely quickly and I didn't know why. Thanks again for another great and informative video Roa ✌️😎
I was waiting for someone to make videos about these things that are basically written out in the game. Though you get the feel for these things depending on how you play. Still it's great that someone says it aloud. My subconsciousness is more fit for the play after repeating the simple facts. Thx, clear and simple vid. nice.
I don't think it's really matter whether triggering chain early or late, in fact if you trigger chain early you can still do some damage just like when you trigger it later, so it just a placebo effect The only thing concerning here is chain attack can also build up decibel for your ultimate so it's really useful than using basic attack which didn't really deal that much damage and low decibel build up, the chain order is also depends on your comp, for example if you have M2 Lucy you'd choose her as last chain so she can refresh her buff duration and trigger your dps quick assist, if not you'd prefer to use your main dps to be last chain so you can deal damage afterward without waiting for their quick assist animation
My cycle for super bosses often goes “Stunner stuns the enemies triggering QTe -> Support -> Stunner -> Bangboo -> DPS” then I keep hitting the bosses until the daze is over. Then, the cycle begins again
@@p01nt_blank67 i guess this cycle serves Nekomata quite well since she benefits from QA. I havent done any test so I think mine is great for Ellen’s team since u can boost her up first
This will be bad for soukaku, unless your dps still have an existing buff since soukaku buff only works on the next agent after her fly the flag buff This might also be bad for nicole users since you want to make full use of the whole duration of her circle thing to maximize the duration of her buffs since her buffs are 3.5s only. Idk about other suppoets like lucy since i dont have her but if her buff duration is shorter than the boss stun duration or it needs to be like soukaku's buff then, I suggest if youre skillful enough not to insta stun the boss, you should swap to your dps or support to trigger the stun so that itll be: stunner>support>bangboo>dps
@@ilis_roa I really like the showcase at the last part of the vid, a culmination of what you explained during the video. WELL DONE MAN! You're my trusted ZZZ CC fr
Interesting. So I have noticed it's very useful to put your main attacker in first and Support in last so that they can switch. Then I just put the 3rd hero in the middle. While I haven't payed much attention to the chain attacks, I have noticed how it behaved. Really like how you explained it
Koleda can increase the % chain attack damage by 35% with her passive. Need to apply E which creates a debuff for the enemy and it will trigger upon stunning the enemy. the numbers % of the chain attack increases to 185% going up to 220%. Of course, this will drain all her energy but she's the only one that can uniquely interact with this.
do note it can stack twice~ she was considered horrible because of the stupid bug that reduces her daze instead of the daze increase on her core passive. after that bug fix, her stunning capability is actually as fast, if not even faster than lycaon if you can do 2 consecutive ex special connecting to furnace consume combo.
Would this be ideal for ellen sokaku lycan? Pre daze: - build up flash freeze 6 stacks - sokaku buffs ellen with three stacks of vortex Daze and stun: - ellen n1 n2 (light attack) - lycaon triggers chain attack (to get stun bonus) - sokaku CA (long animation wont consume stun duration and to refresh buff on ellen) - ellen CA - wait for qte to end (lycaon and bangboo CA will just be damage loss) - ellen burst rotation
i guess if lycaon debuff duration still active by the time you get to last order with ellen then ts fine to just skip lycaon and bangboo CA. but if your bangboo something like sharkboo you might want to consider using it since their damage is really high
@@ilis_roa lycaon stun dmg bonus doesnt state a duration, so i guess it will last for the duration of the stun window. Even if sharkboo does damage, it would mean 3-4 seconds less for ellen because lycaon will be forced to CA, then also time wastwd to switch to ellen after lycaon CA. I think ellen would still do more damage especially when drives are optimized.
I weirdly had this probably not intended chain attack where I was chain attacking a boss and did the Bangboo attack on the third one but the boss’s daze was still up so I could technically go for a 4th. I haven’t done this since one of the first times fighting the construction complex but I kinda wish I could do it again.
@@ilis_roa thinking about that now yeah it was probably on hollow zero(slight chance it also happened in stuff like rally commissions but I don’t remember)
Great Video. I had to watch it a few times in order to understand what you were trying to say because how daze/stun state are interchangeable. It was getting me confused a bit. My question is that you mentioned that it is important not to wait too long in choosing your chain attack, because it increase the time of the whole cycle. Does the stage timer not pause during the selection of agent during a chain attack?
In qte yes it paused since qte doesnt consume stun duration. Qte is like an added duration so if you trigger to long means you take the whole qte duration, and the whole cycle also become longer too as a result
Question is if this whole thing worth to do if you have Swing Jazz [4] set effect, that buffs the entire squad's damage after Chain Attack is triggered, and/or whatever other buffs with similar trigger.
So what you're saying is that when the boss is in the DAZED rainbow state we should try to do damage (since we have the bonus damage multiplier while they're DAZED) but NOT trigger a Chain Attack. Once the DAZE hits around 50% THEN we should trigger the Chain Attack to get the boss INTO the stunned (GRAY) bar state and then proceed to do damage with the DPS throughout the whole STUN stage. That seems like a lot of work. Why not just start the stun chain attack instantly? I doubt that devs are going to make the higher tier content that much dependent on 1-3 bonus seconds. Plus that would mean having to learn how to cancel/swap off Chain triggering attacks for everyone in your main teams if you'll be doing damage while the boss is dazed.
Just one question. When you stun the enemy with lycaon does we get the buff(when you attack a dazed enemy with him) if you chain attack immediately or do you have to attack again with him after immediate chain?
unfortunately i dont have lycaon to test it out, but if we look at the core skill it seems that as long as lycaon is the one that maxed the daze bar, the multiplier will still increase even if you dont trigger chain attack right away
Ellen heavy hit is on her end of extended kick attack, its what trigger the chain attack. you can cancel that heavy hit with dodge or swap. You should try to watch the video on pinned comment to understand what is heavy hit-light hit, find which hit of your agent's attack is heavy hit, and how to cancel hitting heavy hit
You shouldnt put lycaon after soukaku tho. For mono ice team i think it will be better if you just trigger the chain attack faster around 90% (you will still get 1s increased stun duration) since you will lose tier 3 vortex once you trigger it, unlike the showcase at the end of video with lucy that can basically refresh her buff with ex sp attack. After dazed (use lycaon to max it) you can attack with some light hit until dazed state starts going down, then ellen ex > lycaon ex > soukaku ex buff + trigger CA > ellen CA > lycaon CA > bangboo CA > soukaku CA > ellen quick assist + ult + attack combo. Or like someone said, this one might be usefull too ellen ex > lycaon ex > soukaku ex buff + trigger CA (90% dazed) > ellen CA > cancel CA > ellen burst + continue attack combo
Gonna call u my ZZZ CCC: Zenless Zone Zero Credible Content Creator LMAO P.S. sorry for the double comment, just watched it again to test my team and it was really helpful.
im really hoping we get a way to start chain attacks manually. i know there was a method to do so in the beta but then people complained so now we don't have it
I have real problems fully understanding what you mean with instant trigger QTE and waiting for QTE? Or well, the daze bar being at a certain percentage. The way you word it, at least for me, is not comprehensive at all.
thank you for your feedback, i am not fluent in English I am sorry for that. Chain attack QTE has 2,5s duration, you can click it faster or near the end of duration, they added in total cycle duration (stun + qtes duration) while chain attack trigger is exactly what it is, instant trigger is when you trigger exactly as they become dazed, and the other is triggered at certain % dazed state left
@@jc_mosh it's possible that there is another factors i couldnt find that also affecting duration. what you see in my video is all provided from my own testing, and I do not use any baseless theory beside the test data themself. edit: i find out why. on her cancel chain attack the timer start goes up after ellen chain attack animation. stun duration should start to decrease after the last chain attack, in this case on elite enemy is the 2nd one and ellen was on the first chain attack. any chain attack animation before the last chain attack is not going to consume stun duration. the timer shouldve start when the 2nd chain attack QTE reach 0 (in this case cancelled), not when ellen trigger 1st chain attack and it resulting the stun duration on CA QTE cancel seems like have way more duration than the first one.
@@ilis_roa Interesting, can we say that if the last chain atk has long animation it's better to QTE cancel to take advantage of stun timer not ticking?
@@jc_mosh yes as example if stun duration of that elite is around 13s and performing last chain attack animation takes up 3s of that duration, then its better to not perform so you can actively dealing damage full 13s. but again if you check the 2nd clip where she cancel qte and start the timer as the 2nd qte reach 0, the duration should be the same with the first one. the way she uses the duration is correct but how she time the stun duration is a miss. at least thats what i can find
interesting, but useless video. it doenst chamge how we play from the beginning. a few small fun fact, like stun duration for each enemy type, but not wotrh watching 17 min for.
Additional Information + Correction:
- You can still get increased stun duration if you trigger anywhere between 10-99 (outside re attempt period), you can always trigger early if you want to have more time to utilize disc set bonus such as 4-swing jazz
- Apparently timer on Shiyu Defense also frozen during QTE (Credit by @kenchen1351)
- I didn't stop the timer on 2nd chain attack at 50% dazed state on 10:45 (it should be running again right after the bangboo ca triggered) and it added way more duration than it should be. the correct one is only have a slight higher increase as you can see here imgur.com/a/sBuzC57 (Thank you for pointing my mistake @omgwtflolbbl5303)
Learn more about heavy hit - light hit, and why support is better when perform the last chain attack here: ruclips.net/video/ls6W5uSxEuc/видео.htmlsi=FldsxVnVLmC6_8eg
So, are you saying that you WILL get the increased stun duration if you wait for the numbers to stop randomly flashing and start counting down from 99? Do you not need to wait till the meter is at 50% for the most possible time?
I tested it and you gain 0 extra stun time. This is false, someone else pointed out the 1 second difference between delaying qte and not. You should put that in the video or in your comment. I wasted a lot of time because of your misinformation.
@@skysheep747 Damn, so everything he said in the video is false?
Hitting with light hit until the bar goes down to 50% isn't really practical. Sure stunned state = more damage. But light hits also usually low damage. And the stage timer ticks at the same rate when elites/bosses are in dazed state. I think just going straight to burst is the best. You'll get next rotation earlier this way.
Yeah, figured it out too when messing around in training mode. Kinda wish you can stall your chain attack till the last second to reset the stun meter but oh wells
You don’t have to use light attacks. As long as you switch before the burst part of a move hits you can still use heavy, dash and skills, just switch before it activated the burst
@@Swillo yes it is correct. light hits doesn't only come from basic attacks. hold attack, special attack, and EX special attack also have them, what you need to avoid hitting is their heavy hit and that can be done by swapping
Bit of a misunderstanding here. When a character is switched off of during an attack, they continue their attack till the end of the animation. However even if u hit a heavy attack, if ur switched off by the time it lands, no qte is triggered. Notice how anby’s skill despite being a heavy attack did not trigger a qte here: 16:17
Light hits are fine but i think you should go for them only after the chain hits so you don’t accidentally mess up and miss chain hits
Also light hits doesn’t necessarily mean low hits, basically just require some knowledge to find out which attacks continue after swapping out (eg: piper spin final strong hit still occurs after swap, and even provides i frames so has practical use outside of stun)
Also, you can attack the enemies DURING the stunned period and won't trigger QTE as long as either you don't use a full combo, any specials (swap cancelling is fine for both combo and special), ultimates, or charged attacks
Anton mains doing the infinite drill while waiting because it doesn't count as a heavy attack:
@@ParadoxicallibilityLMAO INFINITE GO BRR
@@Paradoxicallibility the 3rd drill counts, so careful
so it's better to wait the daze drop to 50% to only chain?
I'm almost certain your theory that dazing at 50% giving more duration is wrong. Not only are some of the differences you outline on the order of a frame or two (.02s difference in one case), but your biggest showcase has a really glaring fault in which you messed up the starting and stopping of your timer. At around 11:45, your left and right setups restart their timer when the bangboo comes onto the field, while your middle timer restarts when you initiate the previous chain attack (anby). This adds ~1.5 seconds of time to your displayed chain attack total.
There's an explanation elsewhere that honestly makes a whole lot more sense. When you hit 100 meter, there is a 1 second grace period. During this 1 second grace period, the meter is basically stuck at 100 and you can technically get free damage. Instantly popping the stun will make you lose this 1 second grace period because you popped it immediately. If you choose to wait, you can thus add ~1s of total stun time. How valuable that is depends on what you can do with non-heavy actions.
Also, I think the time spent on the qte screen does not affect anything in Shiyu defense, as the timer actually pauses. It's pretty easy to test since the qte screen lasts 2 seconds. It's more real world time, but it doesn't progress any in game timers.
10:45, not 11:45, sorry.
thank you for mentioning it, yes it's wrong. the timer didnt stop on 2nd chain attack. The increased stun duration after i tested it has around 1,2s increased compared to full combo chain+bangboo
In Shiyu defense, Chain attack QTE timing doesn't count. You can take your time and doesn't need to rush.
thank you for sharing additional info!
This tech can be used to increase the value you get from daze/stun if you use hero switch to avoid triggering chain attacks while still using your damaging combos/skills. For example, use Billy Ex but switch to someone else before it triggers. This lets you unload a ton of damaging moves up until the 50% threshold, into a full chain sequence, into an ultimate finisher. It's a little situational and fairly execution dependent, but definitely real.
Some characters and comps can make natural use of this with simple setups. For instance, Von's 2nd kick sequence of his held Ex -> Switch to Corin before the last kick, right as they're going into Daze -> Full maintain on Corin's Ex -> Full Chain -> Ultimate or more damage of your choice.
This vid and your comment are very useful info, but i figure it would be very chaotic in my head to execute this trick regularly. As I have to remember which attack is heavy and to remind myself to switch off from current character to not trigger the chain.
Manual Chain Attacks are a thing now, so it is more possible to stay on your main DPS to deal damage before executing the heavy to initiate the chain.
Bro you literally the best to explain this, with all the testing, structured explaination supported by the real-time images & video pauses. This is a chef kiss level of content & presentation. Definitely subscribed deserved, thanks a lot! 👍🔥
tysm! 😭
The re-attempt and penalty daze explanation was extremely helpful, sometimes the enemy would lose daze extremely quickly and I didn't know why.
Thanks again for another great and informative video Roa ✌️😎
Glad it helped!
I was waiting for someone to make videos about these things that are basically written out in the game. Though you get the feel for these things depending on how you play. Still it's great that someone says it aloud. My subconsciousness is more fit for the play after repeating the simple facts.
Thx, clear and simple vid. nice.
Loved the quality of content you've made. I'll watch your other video and understand it
I don't think it's really matter whether triggering chain early or late, in fact if you trigger chain early you can still do some damage just like when you trigger it later, so it just a placebo effect
The only thing concerning here is chain attack can also build up decibel for your ultimate so it's really useful than using basic attack which didn't really deal that much damage and low decibel build up, the chain order is also depends on your comp, for example if you have M2 Lucy you'd choose her as last chain so she can refresh her buff duration and trigger your dps quick assist, if not you'd prefer to use your main dps to be last chain so you can deal damage afterward without waiting for their quick assist animation
Chain attack also refreshes your assist points! all in all they're really good for resources
My cycle for super bosses often goes “Stunner stuns the enemies triggering QTe -> Support -> Stunner -> Bangboo -> DPS” then I keep hitting the bosses until the daze is over. Then, the cycle begins again
Interesting. Mine is usually:
Stunner stuns enemy into QTE -> DPS -> Stunner -> Bangboo -> Support -> DPS (via Quick Assist)
@@p01nt_blank67 this sounds better so you can get buffs off yeah
@@p01nt_blank67 i guess this cycle serves Nekomata quite well since she benefits from QA. I havent done any test so I think mine is great for Ellen’s team since u can boost her up first
This will be bad for soukaku, unless your dps still have an existing buff since soukaku buff only works on the next agent after her fly the flag buff
This might also be bad for nicole users since you want to make full use of the whole duration of her circle thing to maximize the duration of her buffs since her buffs are 3.5s only. Idk about other suppoets like lucy since i dont have her but if her buff duration is shorter than the boss stun duration or it needs to be like soukaku's buff then,
I suggest if youre skillful enough not to insta stun the boss, you should swap to your dps or support to trigger the stun so that itll be: stunner>support>bangboo>dps
@@p01nt_blank67 this is the correct order to make sure the dps gets the buff from the support.
Let’s go Roa! 🎉 this is what I want in my theory videos, show and tell, not one or the either. Nice video altogether!
thank you!!
@@ilis_roa I really like the showcase at the last part of the vid, a culmination of what you explained during the video. WELL DONE MAN! You're my trusted ZZZ CC fr
Interesting. So I have noticed it's very useful to put your main attacker in first and Support in last so that they can switch. Then I just put the 3rd hero in the middle. While I haven't payed much attention to the chain attacks, I have noticed how it behaved. Really like how you explained it
very helpful informative vid. thank you for it and the community discussions below in the comments.
Instant sub. Great vid!
Tysm!
Koleda can increase the % chain attack damage by 35% with her passive.
Need to apply E which creates a debuff for the enemy and it will trigger upon stunning the enemy.
the numbers % of the chain attack increases to 185% going up to 220%.
Of course, this will drain all her energy but she's the only one that can uniquely interact with this.
do note it can stack twice~
she was considered horrible because of the stupid bug that reduces her daze instead of the daze increase on her core passive. after that bug fix, her stunning capability is actually as fast, if not even faster than lycaon if you can do 2 consecutive ex special connecting to furnace consume combo.
Really good video and unique no cc ever talked about this. Thanks man good work 👍🏾
Thanks dude, this is very informative
love ur video! very clear explanation with examples! keep it coming thanks again!
Amazing video, thank you for explaining ❤
Nice effort man i bet it took a long time doing this video.❤❤ i learned alot.
This was really helpful! Thanks a lot!
Good info! Thanks for enlightening us!
This is some good tech but only really practical when fighting a solo boss
yeah sometimes a boss might brings minions making it hard to perform
Would this be ideal for ellen sokaku lycan?
Pre daze:
- build up flash freeze 6 stacks
- sokaku buffs ellen with three stacks of vortex
Daze and stun:
- ellen n1 n2 (light attack)
- lycaon triggers chain attack (to get stun bonus)
- sokaku CA (long animation wont consume stun duration and to refresh buff on ellen)
- ellen CA
- wait for qte to end (lycaon and bangboo CA will just be damage loss)
- ellen burst rotation
i guess if lycaon debuff duration still active by the time you get to last order with ellen then ts fine to just skip lycaon and bangboo CA. but if your bangboo something like sharkboo you might want to consider using it since their damage is really high
@@ilis_roa lycaon stun dmg bonus doesnt state a duration, so i guess it will last for the duration of the stun window.
Even if sharkboo does damage, it would mean 3-4 seconds less for ellen because lycaon will be forced to CA, then also time wastwd to switch to ellen after lycaon CA. I think ellen would still do more damage especially when drives are optimized.
@@choariwap7072 i don't have ellen so I can't test this but yes i think you are correct.
Good content dude, thanks
I weirdly had this probably not intended chain attack where I was chain attacking a boss and did the Bangboo attack on the third one but the boss’s daze was still up so I could technically go for a 4th. I haven’t done this since one of the first times fighting the construction complex but I kinda wish I could do it again.
was that on hollow zero? there are resonias that can extend stun duration, if yes then it explains why you can do 4th agent's chain attack.
@@ilis_roa thinking about that now yeah it was probably on hollow zero(slight chance it also happened in stuff like rally commissions but I don’t remember)
Last part is the important things
Great Video. I had to watch it a few times in order to understand what you were trying to say because how daze/stun state are interchangeable. It was getting me confused a bit.
My question is that you mentioned that it is important not to wait too long in choosing your chain attack, because it increase the time of the whole cycle. Does the stage timer not pause during the selection of agent during a chain attack?
In qte yes it paused since qte doesnt consume stun duration. Qte is like an added duration so if you trigger to long means you take the whole qte duration, and the whole cycle also become longer too as a result
Great work!
Amazing video bromie
thank you bromie 💪
Yeah yeah. Holds secret of the formula to krab patty
Question is if this whole thing worth to do if you have Swing Jazz [4] set effect, that buffs the entire squad's damage after Chain Attack is triggered, and/or whatever other buffs with similar trigger.
then you can trigger early, just not instantly i think. even at 90% dazed state you will still get increased duration
So what you're saying is that when the boss is in the DAZED rainbow state we should try to do damage (since we have the bonus damage multiplier while they're DAZED) but NOT trigger a Chain Attack. Once the DAZE hits around 50% THEN we should trigger the Chain Attack to get the boss INTO the stunned (GRAY) bar state and then proceed to do damage with the DPS throughout the whole STUN stage. That seems like a lot of work. Why not just start the stun chain attack instantly? I doubt that devs are going to make the higher tier content that much dependent on 1-3 bonus seconds. Plus that would mean having to learn how to cancel/swap off Chain triggering attacks for everyone in your main teams if you'll be doing damage while the boss is dazed.
I swear without the daze mechanic I'm cooked 🗿 thankfully the enemies here can't one shot your character
@@CaelusXFirefly69 or.. just no boss can one shot us yet 🤔
@@ilis_roa i doubt it since it's kinda not make any sense to have a boss that can one shot you in a game with no healer
@@CaelusXFirefly69 truee
@@CaelusXFirefly69 ummm Maybe there gonna be enemy like raiden when you have destroy specific object before you get one shot
Just one question. When you stun the enemy with lycaon does we get the buff(when you attack a dazed enemy with him) if you chain attack immediately or do you have to attack again with him after immediate chain?
unfortunately i dont have lycaon to test it out, but if we look at the core skill it seems that as long as lycaon is the one that maxed the daze bar, the multiplier will still increase even if you dont trigger chain attack right away
you are the best dude 👏
Ma man is grinding his @ss of for these vids 🗿keep it up bruh 🔥
Me who only button mashes through combat: You speak funny words, my good man...
😂 same.
I didn't lookup what crit rate/damage is until 2 days ago.
Button mash squad confused in tutorials but already pondering who to pull for next😂
Best video to understand my friend
So basically the only ways to trigger the bangboo chain attack is if your are fighting multiple enemies at once or a boss enemy?
@@Dustycat yeah they only showed up along the third chain attack agent
No matter what once the dazed is build even slight hit will trigger the quick assist bro there’s no way to switch ?
Ellen heavy hit is on her end of extended kick attack, its what trigger the chain attack. you can cancel that heavy hit with dodge or swap.
You should try to watch the video on pinned comment to understand what is heavy hit-light hit, find which hit of your agent's attack is heavy hit, and how to cancel hitting heavy hit
16:17 this makes me want to laugh at the people who said that zzz combat is left click and space spamming 😂😂😂😂
But doesn’t it effect in ellens case because if i use lycaon after sokaku i lose a lot of buff
You shouldnt put lycaon after soukaku tho.
For mono ice team i think it will be better if you just trigger the chain attack faster around 90% (you will still get 1s increased stun duration) since you will lose tier 3 vortex once you trigger it, unlike the showcase at the end of video with lucy that can basically refresh her buff with ex sp attack.
After dazed (use lycaon to max it) you can attack with some light hit until dazed state starts going down, then ellen ex > lycaon ex > soukaku ex buff + trigger CA > ellen CA > lycaon CA > bangboo CA > soukaku CA > ellen quick assist + ult + attack combo.
Or like someone said, this one might be usefull too
ellen ex > lycaon ex > soukaku ex buff + trigger CA (90% dazed) > ellen CA > cancel CA > ellen burst + continue attack combo
yooo that's cool, didn't know that, thanks
How can you win hollow zero that corrupted you to do no daze at all😅
do u know if corin housekeeper buff works on dazed enemy? cause if dont, dont triggering the stun before would make this optimization bad for her
When Corin additional ability active, she will still deal increased damage. Stunned = dazed, Dazed is just outer layer of stun but they are one
great video
mechanic is cool and all but button smashing is enjoyable
while using a controller I'm able to switch character from left to right or right to left in some levels.
How do I do it on mouse and keys?
on pc you can use rmb or E for right side, lmb or Q for left side
Won't really matter much tbh. This method deals less damage, and in hp sponges environment, dps is king over technical.
Does the on field time of while performing a chain attack of the agents matter or does it get frozen?
from my test, only chain attack animation of the last chain attack counts
@@ilis_roawait why not just not continue the last chain attack would it still consume stun duration?
Sometimes I've seen 150% Dmg and 200% Dmg on the same enemy. Might be wrong, can others vouch and help figure this out?
Some characters increase the stun damage multiplier. Lycaon for example increases it by attacking a stunned enemy through his core skill
@@agefrancke346 should be every stun class ch iirc
I just hit things till they die. It’s worked so far :D
any list of music used?
You're, in my opinion, the most important youtube channel that this game has
I finally s ranked all shiyu defense thats currently out a big tip is just build atk% on 456 for stupid numbers xD NOT INCLUDING CRITICAL NODES
12 mins stun duration 😮
Gonna call u my ZZZ CCC: Zenless Zone Zero Credible Content Creator LMAO
P.S. sorry for the double comment, just watched it again to test my team and it was really helpful.
Glad its actually helpful for you!
im really hoping we get a way to start chain attacks manually. i know there was a method to do so in the beta but then people complained so now we don't have it
Its a bit unconvenient i guess
In short stunned = more damage
I have real problems fully understanding what you mean with instant trigger QTE and waiting for QTE?
Or well, the daze bar being at a certain percentage. The way you word it, at least for me, is not comprehensive at all.
thank you for your feedback, i am not fluent in English I am sorry for that.
Chain attack QTE has 2,5s duration, you can click it faster or near the end of duration, they added in total cycle duration (stun + qtes duration)
while chain attack trigger is exactly what it is, instant trigger is when you trigger exactly as they become dazed, and the other is triggered at certain % dazed state left
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Alright, the clickbait worked, watcha got for me?
Why is stun duration so different if you skip last chain attack? (From this video) ruclips.net/video/LdeVtvKFDNU/видео.htmlsi=KSIlheH6UEJjcF0Z
@@jc_mosh it's possible that there is another factors i couldnt find that also affecting duration. what you see in my video is all provided from my own testing, and I do not use any baseless theory beside the test data themself.
edit: i find out why. on her cancel chain attack the timer start goes up after ellen chain attack animation. stun duration should start to decrease after the last chain attack, in this case on elite enemy is the 2nd one and ellen was on the first chain attack. any chain attack animation before the last chain attack is not going to consume stun duration. the timer shouldve start when the 2nd chain attack QTE reach 0 (in this case cancelled), not when ellen trigger 1st chain attack and it resulting the stun duration on CA QTE cancel seems like have way more duration than the first one.
@@ilis_roa Interesting, can we say that if the last chain atk has long animation it's better to QTE cancel to take advantage of stun timer not ticking?
@@jc_mosh yes as example if stun duration of that elite is around 13s and performing last chain attack animation takes up 3s of that duration, then its better to not perform so you can actively dealing damage full 13s.
but again if you check the 2nd clip where she cancel qte and start the timer as the 2nd qte reach 0, the duration should be the same with the first one. the way she uses the duration is correct but how she time the stun duration is a miss. at least thats what i can find
@@ilis_roa Thanks man, your video and explanations let me appreciate more the game
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@@mizuro13 thank youu
@@ilis_roaBang orang Jawa ya? Rada medok soalnya.
@@diazpramudita5165 🤣
tf is QTE?
Whaaaaat you can pick who attacks next during a chain attack? I just mash my mouse button hahahahaahahaha
Your videos are really helpful man. But please cool it with all the click bait titles, it makes your videos feel cheap
thank you for your feedback, I'll keep it in mind
This video is completely pointless... also clickbait.
TLDR: trigger all the QTEs and then ultimate with your DPS at the end.
@@zaregotoch.8491 thank you for your feedback
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interesting, but useless video. it doenst chamge how we play from the beginning. a few small fun fact, like stun duration for each enemy type, but not wotrh watching 17 min for.
thank you for your feedback
I'm convinced that people who haven't caught wind of this in the slightest are genuinely media illiterate
Fell for the clickbait again, ffs >. >
Good content = sub so new sub 🗿
@@bromoment2099 thank you!