Difference between Relative and Absolute drawdown, The5ers vs. MFF
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- Опубликовано: 20 янв 2023
- Hey traders! This one is an importnat video if you want to stop vioalting daily drawdown limit. I explain difference between relative and absolute drawdown. Hope you enjoy the video.
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Wow finally someone who explained relative drawdown where I actually understand the rule. Thanks Anna!
I'm glad it was useful. 🤍
Relative drawdowns are a ripoff. They force you to scalp and over trade.
This is one of the reasons I take partials and automatically move my stops on all my trades when trading prop.
Hello Anna,
You are right the5ers go by absolute drawdown. The word Equity made me believe that it includes open positions. I asked the5ers customer support, and they told me that the drawdown goes by the account balance. Therefore, you are right, and I was wrong.
Hi Namory!
I am glad that you reached out to the5ers support, and now you understand how drawdown works.
Wish you all the best for the week ahead.
This is the clearest and easiest explanation I have ever heard. You are exceptional. Thank you!!! Subscribed!!
Thank you Anna, you really helped with something I was struggling with for some time now, God bless you.
You are doing great!!!
You are so welcome! Glad that video helped. Hope you are having a good week so far. :)
MFF has "slip them to hell" drawdown
This is now the most popular saying, so many memes as well...
well explained, relative DD sucks, I thing trailing stop loss it's the best way or trying to reach 5R and taking partials.
This is solid Anna💯 You just gained a new subscriber.
Thank you so much. Appreciate you. 🙏
Very nice and infomative video really your are doing well
Thank you, really hope it was useful and esy to understand. Thank you for your support, appriciate it.
Well explained, you really explain things very well Keep growing stay blessed...
Thank you, I try to keep things as simple as I can and use easy language so everyone can understand. Have a good weekend. 😊
My prop firm offers "fixed" and "trailing." Would absolute be same as fixed and relative same as trailing? Thanks
Im from Scotland!
thanks ANNA......you explained very good....Indeed we have 3 drawdown:
Absolute drawdown
Relative drawdown
Maximum drawdown
Your explanations are good and complete....if you use whiteboard to explain and draw the figure, it will be very complete for all traders....❤❤
Thank you. Have a great trading week. :)
I got a little question, to day I opened two entries on GU, is usually leave the first one open full volume to my target. Let's say my target is 10R for the first trade, then I look for scaling and If I find one I will close it on 5R before the last target. So I can be in profits leaving my first entry full volume with no problems. But if I close the second on 5R and the let's say that the first entry was already on 10R but it comes back to BE, In that case I will lose my account??
I mean with relative DD
Hey Lucas!
In this example it depends on your starting balance and risk you take per setup. Lets say you started with 100k and used 1% risk. your 10R trade was looking good, then you scaled in and risked another 1%, took 5R(5k) profit but the 10R trade now goes back to BE, now your balance is 105k, so no, you won't lose account, however if the trades both were in profit and then new trading day starts then you need to watch out for your profit trades to go into BE as that will count as drawdown.
So with relative DD you need to make sure, when your trades are open and NEW TRADING DAY starts, be sure they won't go into 5% dd.
Hope this helps.
Thanks Anna.. I was really confused about the relative DD..I am swing trading so sometimes I go into profit 7% and then it breaks even... You just saved my ass :))))
Hey Rita! I'm glad the video was helpful to you. Maybe just try to take partials when trading with relative DD. 😊
@@anna.ikerte hmm.. I would need to backtest that because I have never tried taking partials and wouldn't know where to 😅 thanks for the advice 😊
At the moment I am leaning towards 5ers with the max dd 😄
You are the best at using your phone for videos.
I used to hate My forex Funds relative drawdown, I suppose I didn't understand it properly and listening to RUclipsrs who don't know any better giving bad advice made this worse. But actually for my style of trading it works very well compared to say FTMO. I still haven't passed any challenges yet and it's taken me months to understand relative drawdown and I simply compared the drawdown to FTMO's..... But now that I understand MFF drawdown I think it's amazing especially for challenges, for example I always have open positions overnight and weekends and for example, if I'm down x percent, with FTMO the following day I will have to watch how I trade because of the drawdown is so tight but with MFF you get the full 100% drawdown the next day which is amazing and I've adjusted my trading accordingly because of the relative drawdown. As you stated, relative and absolute, one is not better than the other, and if I had a funded account then I'd prefer absolute, but to pas the challenge, for me, I just love MFF relative drawdown, and they are my number one prop firm for me at the moment and have overtaken FTMO, in my opinion
Hi Mike!
Thank you for the comment. I think it's great that you have found what works for you. I personaly prefer absolute drawdown as that way I have more control over account, but it's just what works for me. Have a great trading week. :)
One other reason The5ers is my favo prop firm.
Same! :)
I think I know about most og these things. Interesting video anyway. My question though is about trading for a prop firm. When you trade for a prop firm, do you have your own trading account at the same time? That you regularly deposit money into? I am a bout to start trading with real money this week. I think I am about 8 months to å year away from trying a prop firm challenge.
hello any EA USE Rules....
Relative Drawdrown be written explanation will better?
do 5% have a rule that if you dont trade for 14 days of inactivity you can lose your account ?
Yes. But if you open and close 0.01lot trade, it will reset your inactivity days.
HI anna, are you still on your MFF challenge???
Anna Also make a video about KYC verification process and withdrawal with live example or screen shot
will do so for my next withdrawal. Have a great week. :)
With the 5ers say you are on bootcamp 100k your drawdown on the camp is 6% but when you pass it then drops to 4%, then say you want to make a buffer but by the time you have made your buffer they have scaled your account to the next level with 4% drawdown again. Makes it impossible to create a buffer
Hi Tom!
What I personaly do is, I simply don't withdraw my profit and keep that as a buffer, then after I reach next target I take previous profit out but keep the one that I make. So lets say you trade 100k account, after you reach 5% you can withdraw 2.5k however if you want the buffer just keep it in account.
So basically you are skipping a withdrawal and having the payout on the 2nd scale up. 👍🏻
@@anna.ikerte pls explain it more on a video. thanks!
I love you . 😉
No, keep 5ers the way it is. I dislike prop firms with relative drawdowns. Definitely shows you are not trading real money and /or they are not taking your trades. 5ers is legit with absolute drawdown.
I agree, but I think daily DD(not relative DD) is good to have for trading psychology, like you know when to stop.
@@anna.ikerte recommend traders use a trade/risk manager so they can limit their trading for the day is they loss a specific percentage because breaking a DD means not funded or loss your account. Rather use a trade manager to reference daily loss percentage.
stay away from any prop firm that has a relative or equity base drawdown.. just like mff had.
that wasnt a cup of coffee💀💀
it was, and also it was delicious. haha
No, it is not true that the5ers go by absolute drawdown(based on account balance only). The5ers have Equity-stop out of 6% which is relative drawdown(based on open positions. So stop misleading people.
Namory, you are the one who is misleading. Please make sure you understand how relative and absolute drawdown works before you comment.
Let me give you an example. You have a 10k account, and your drawdown is 6%, so your equity stop will be $9400. Now, if you have made a profit and your account is now at $10500(+5% profit, now you have 11% drawdown) and your open trades go to $9700(-8%, with MFF in this case you would have lost account as daily drawdownlimit would have be reached) but with the5ers you still will have your account not violated because you have an absolute drawdown of 6% (which is $9400).
I hope this example helps you to understand the difference between relative and absolute drawdown.