Carnage Tyrant is definitely Ixalan's Torrential Gearhulk. I'll actually try to pack some Trial of Ambition in my UB Tempo build and hope for the best. Cartouche of Knowledge seems interesting with, say, Dreamstealer, if the rest of the deck supports this jank.
Seth, I'd like to suggest an Against the Odds deck featuring Settle the Wreckage & Emeria in Modern. Basically, use the token producing abilities of White to super-ramp into Emeria and go from there. Splash green for Ramunap excavator / Crucible of worlds to get back destroyed lands. Work with the white cards, focusing on their chump blocking prowess and show us a good token session :D
I think Ruin Raider will actually do much better in W/B Vampires, oddly. With all the lifegain vampires have access to in both white and black, Ruin Raiders may just be "you draw a card if you attacked this turn" and the drawback of losing life will just be flavor text.
Regarding Ruin Raider, so the Raid ability doesn't say "may" so if I attack with any creature, I'm forced into drawing a card and taking damage, correct? Or is Raid an optional ability by default that I can choose to ignore using?
Primal Amulet only makes instants and sorceries cheaper. And I'm not sure what you mean casts twice - if you're referring to copying Vraska, even if that did work one would immediately die due to the legend rule.
I almost asked if you meant Vraska's Contempt but the way you referred to the card as "her" made me think you meant the planeswalker. I also have insomnia and had been up for many, many hours - my apoogies.
You have to remember that Deathgorge scavenger can be a three mana 5/4 for it's first attack and be still growing. It's almost like standard goyf, in the way that if you don't just kill it when it enters, it's going to get fuckhueg and accrue some mad value. And it also shits on both aggro and control spectrum all the same.
Competes with Abrade, arguably not as useful due to the abundance of strong artifact related stuff out. Heart of Kiran, skysovereign, scrapheap, oketra's monument, mechanized production related decks.
Jonathan Lam Yeah I was thinking about that as a player who plays mono red, but I dismissed as you need 3 one drops to make your curve and the card work.
The only thing I regret about this set is that Vona, Butcher of Magan doesn't have a clause that reads ' Vona can target and exile nonland permanents with hexproof.' Because, right now, flavor fail.
Lol, I don't even play standard dude. Mythic rares should be interesting cards not just a big above the curve creature with a bunch of keywords. A waste of a mythic slot.
onewhovlogs The main problem with it is that it's double black and sorcery speed. Fatal Push is easy to splash in anything, and Vraska's Contempt hits more things while gaining you life. The main commonality between the two is instant speed. While Plank can kill anything other than merfolk, not being able to hold it up if your opponent slams down something like an eternalized Earthshaker Khenra or Chandra, Torch of Defiance makes it a little less than optimal. I do agree, it is strong, but the instant speed is a bit more relevant than sorcery speed
The big difference is Vraska's Contempt Exiles while Walk the Plank only destroys. It's actually relevant in a format with Amonkhet/HOD, there's some big things in that block that need to be exiled if you want to be rid of them. Hitting Planeswalkers is just a nice bonus, it's the exiling that makes the difference.
I'm not allowed to say Hunt Master's full name because I tend to talk fast and when I say the full name it comes out as something very, very different....
There are answers for Carnage Tyrant -- you just have to get creative: Failure/Comply and Commit are good tempo spells that don't care about it being uncounterable; Trial of Ambition and Doomfall are good edict effects (use targeted removal for the other dorks); Gideon's Intervention prevents all damage/stops it from even being cast, while Settle the Wreckage and Fumigate can wrath it away; Haze of Pollen can just fog when it attacks. The only color that really has no answer is red, which would have to use at least 2 sweepers and 8 Mana to clear it.
Jace carried my deck through prerelease. Good card es good. The loot stacks with other JCC triggers. There is no reason not to ult Jace. Illusion tokens get better after you ult Jace at least once.
rivers rebuke isnt that bad against dinos, if your Dimir you have fatal push and walk the plank for the early game, i agree 6 is slow but if they dont have a turn 4-5 tyrant you can swing the momentum back your way. tyrant is good but not that good, i just think all the board wipes are gonna dry up just to deal with it but there are answers for it and i think once the hype dies down so will the price
y does noone talk about the uncommon 5\5 haste dyno. its a reality smasher .....and only cost 1 red easy splash. they basically brought eldrazi back and called them dinosours
I still think Settle the Wreckage is the best, maybe only white ramp card ever. Kill off your little tokens, go to 8-9 mana on turn 5. Should be easy to win at that point.
KensanOni another reason I love is how good multiples are. A lot of 3 color decks will run out of basics after the second. Then you gearhulks can flashback a third. Handles tyrant hazoret scarab god and bristling hydra
It may not be while, but Harvest Season does much the same thing for cheaper and without killing your creatures and sees no play. There are differences in how the 2 cards play but I don't think those differences are enough to make Settle the Wreckage work this way when Harvest Season didn't (even with cards like Cryptolith Rite making it even easier).
Justin Postlewaite I'm not saying your wrong. I am saying that it gives a different color access to ramp. Esper has a lot of high cost cards on it's end. While GX may not want to use Harvest Season, because it has better ramp option, WX might want access to ramp, and this can give it to them.
KensanOni You may be right. It could actually be pretty good in some of the B/W (sometimes also with green but I think that will be dropped since it seemed mostly for Catacomb Sifter) hidden stockpile, almost aristocrat like token decks Sam Black was playing a lot recently that I think may get even better now. It could be really good there - earlier versions didn't have a lot to ramp in to but this could help incentivize doing that. Something like a B/W heavy token deck with Oketra's Monument, servo tokens, Hidden Stockpile and some of the new token producers to ramp really quickly into Marionette Master to combo kill the opponent very quickly seems potentially awesome. That definitely seems like a Sam Black kind of deck and sounds sweet. I'm still a bit skeptical because using Settle the Wreckage this way has a fairly high set up cost and requires a lot to go right and the deck may just not even need it, just using other ways to ramp now like treasure (although I don't think there's any treasure in white but there's a bunch in black and blue) and dowsing dagger/lost vale. Its definitely worth trying out but I'm a bit wary since it may just not be as consistent as just using treasure from black and/or blue (since you mentioned esper - which also has improvise which I still hope does something but probably won't) and I thought Harvest Season could be really good (again especially with cryptolith rite) since even though green has other ramp the ceiling for it seemed SO high. I think using Settle the Wreckage as ramp also has a very high ceiling, but may just not end up as consistent as other options. I hope I'm wrong because I think it would be really cool and I love seeing cards used in non-obvious ways. We'll just have to wait and see. At the very least it would make a very cool Against the Odds deck!
*I mean for fuck sake - Jace is currently Tom Hanks from Castaway looking for Wilson lost at sea, while simultaneously battling Johnny Depp and the entire Pirates of the Caribbean crew...And when Jace is on land, he's meandering around Jurassic fucking Park island trying not to piss himself in the bathroom like Jeff Goldbloom did when he see's a 40 ft T-Rex adorned with magical feathers! Jace is confused here, he clearly doesn't know whether he's about to be eaten by the T-Rex, or if he should pet it, and is expecting it to "Ca-Caw" because it has parrot feathers on its lizard skin....* *Jace, the Ass Pirate* *ultimate ability: Creates homosexual copies of himself to keep himself entertained at sea.* *Flavor text: "Yaargh, bring me da 'booty' ye copycat, swashbuckling, doppelganger!"* No, all jokes aside Amonkhet and Ixalan are interesting and cool fictional settings.
Vraska's Contempt XLN Rare 4.72 Tix Imagine how bad is the removal in the format if this bulk rare is 4 tix. The double promo fatal push I think It whas on purpose to release some decent removal in standar.
Xavi Simon I wouldn't consider it a bulk rare. Exiling for 4 is actually pretty good, and it only gets better with all the gods in the format. Having the option of a planeswalker and gaining 2 life is worth the mana
I think is pretty bad 4CMC is to late, and to late... is to late GG game lost. Exile a creature should be CMC3 ccB. cBB its already somehow more restrictive, its fine for “destroy a creature or planeswalker” a good example is Hero's Downfall (0,03TIX right now) Vraska's Contempt should be cBB and pay 2 life, and it could be a correct balance, but they wanted do force the cost to 4 and they aided winning 2 life thing absolutely stupid because you are loosing more life in the turns you can’t cast it. Cast out cost 4 exiling any permanent not even double W. Anguished Unmaking cost 3 and 3 life exiling any permanent. I just dot get the point of placing vital but bad removal on rare slots to make it cost 5 or 6 tix wen they will drop to 0,01 once trey move to modern. Black removal has been so bad in the last set (fatal push exception, but its pretty conditional and much better for modern on fetches). Standard removal is so bad rigt now that even Walk the Plank its around 0.20tix If black can only deal with creatures and its not good even for this I just full commit to blue at leas I cant deal with almost everything for cUU with cancel. Then if I compare Vraska's Contempt with Settle the Wreckage … you can exile opponent board instant speed for 4 mana if he full commit, o blossoming defense or anything can save it once he attacks The card is good for white decks just existing even if you don’t play it, because it wilt change the way peoples play, believe me once you get blow out by this you will remember, and people seing xxWW mana up will pray just to get cast out wile they attack. BTW I just remember Declaration in Stone 2 manna instant speed, and black gets Hour of Glory super useful B tempoing-out itself since …. :S
Omg get over it! What is every colors best way to beat carnage tyrant? Kill you until turn 6!! This thing is the biggest joke since... well I dont even know, there hasnt been a joke so big before. This thing's price will drop harder than Skrillex' Bass after a few weeks of standard.
oh of course, because my deck neither plays removal to kill their early ramp, nor does my deck play Settle the wreckage, or fumigate, nor is able to do way more damage than 7 by turn 4, so.... ... ehm no wait. my deck (any tier 1 or 2 deck) does one of these things. so i dont care about all the backflips you have to do to unlikely get that thing out on turn 4. you either dont, or you are dead anyway the next turn.
Schweiner Bro, I think you should probably get on proxying up some decks and doing some actual testing of the format. Or watch someone on on youtube do it for you. Either way I would educate yourself before you embarass yourself any further. Dinosaurs plays Blossoming defence in the main and Shapers sanctuary in the side, Carnage tyrant isnt their only threat either and if you think Ripjaw raptor goes down easy to anything but Revolted push or Walk the plank....assuming he doesnt hit the board on turn 3 and like I said...has blossoming defence for protection if you did have your magical christmas land perfect removal every single time and then you still whiff. Everything dinosaurs plays deserves an answer, and no one packs enough removal to negate every single play dinosaurs makes and still have time to develop a game plan or a board of their own. So please, go educate yourself and then you can come back here and tell us how garbage carnage tyrant is with your GP results.
Xavi Simon Pushing creatures, nerfing spells? Haha you're funny. Have you noticed the new broken planeswalkers we got? How about vehicles? Those are not creatures either, and control is a big part of the standard meta game, they are just making aggro a viable strategy so every deck is not midrange or control. Please elaborate what you are trying to say.
So you're basing the quality of the set on pre-order prices before anyone has played with the cards? The prices are going to change radically. This set also seems to have generally weak mythics (probably to help offset the possible price increase from getting rid of masterpieces) which I think is good. And are you upset that there's no Gideons, Emrakuls, Smuggler's Copters or Atherworks Marvels? The format is better when there aren't a few cards that overpower everything else. Also what do you expect to happen to the power level of sets after they had to ban numerous cards causing widespread complaint? Even with all that the set looks pretty good to me, but I guess I'm crazy in preferring the cards to be cheap rather than expensive.
Settle the Wreckage will work perfectly with Aven Mindcensor
I hope people keep overlooking Merfolk, so they remain cheap until I get all of them.
half of those slippery bastards cant be blocked, if you manage to give them hexpof and you pump them is just standar bogles
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I hope so too.
Already got a pretty nice one, and still missing some kopalas. Gone with mimics, the enchantment and +1/+1 counter stuff and unblockables.
Spell pierce mainboard.
Carnage Tyrant is definitely Ixalan's Torrential Gearhulk. I'll actually try to pack some Trial of Ambition in my UB Tempo build and hope for the best. Cartouche of Knowledge seems interesting with, say, Dreamstealer, if the rest of the deck supports this jank.
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I would put Lightning Strike around no. 3 tho 'cause Ramunap Red ;)
agreed
I like this set, it's a bit awkward but it offers a lot of different build possibilities and I value a set that can break up a stagnant format
Seth, I'd like to suggest an Against the Odds deck featuring Settle the Wreckage & Emeria in Modern.
Basically, use the token producing abilities of White to super-ramp into Emeria and go from there. Splash green for Ramunap excavator / Crucible of worlds to get back destroyed lands.
Work with the white cards, focusing on their chump blocking prowess and show us a good token session :D
I think Ruin Raider will actually do much better in W/B Vampires, oddly. With all the lifegain vampires have access to in both white and black, Ruin Raiders may just be "you draw a card if you attacked this turn" and the drawback of losing life will just be flavor text.
People seem to forget Aven Mindsensor when talking about settle the wreckage.
Carnage tyrant has everything including awesome flavour text
What about hostage taker
Regarding Ruin Raider, so the Raid ability doesn't say "may" so if I attack with any creature, I'm forced into drawing a card and taking damage, correct? Or is Raid an optional ability by default that I can choose to ignore using?
ReMeDy If you attacked you gotta draw the card and take the damage if he's there at the end step
I'm going to be running 4 vraskas contempt and primal amulets, makes her at least a 3 drop or a 4 drop that casts twice
Primal Amulet only makes instants and sorceries cheaper. And I'm not sure what you mean casts twice - if you're referring to copying Vraska, even if that did work one would immediately die due to the legend rule.
I meant vraskas contempt lmao
and primal amulets flip copies it so it would be a 4 cost kill 2 creatures or planeswalkers and gain 4 life
I almost asked if you meant Vraska's Contempt but the way you referred to the card as "her" made me think you meant the planeswalker. I also have insomnia and had been up for many, many hours - my apoogies.
Well I mean, the card is VRASKA, specifically vraska turning someone to stone so I mean, but yeah, I understand your confusion
It looks like the vampires that are in this set are day walkers
They don't seem to die just by sunlight, right, but they do cast dark clouds around them. Check their vehicles and common fliers :)
Rodrigo Silva wow that's a cool trick I gotta see more what these vampires are about lol
You have to remember that Deathgorge scavenger can be a three mana 5/4 for it's first attack and be still growing. It's almost like standard goyf, in the way that if you don't just kill it when it enters, it's going to get fuckhueg and accrue some mad value. And it also shits on both aggro and control spectrum all the same.
It can be a 5/4 if comes in with haste but then end of turn it will be 3/2 again
Oh, well fuck me sideways and call me sally!
WHERE IS LIGHTNING STRIKE?!
Competes with Abrade, arguably not as useful due to the abundance of strong artifact related stuff out. Heart of Kiran, skysovereign, scrapheap, oketra's monument, mechanized production related decks.
Jonathan Lam But in ramunap red it replaces incendiary flow, which is great.
This is true, Rigging runner might also be a plausible 1 drop for them too.
Jonathan Lam Yeah I was thinking about that as a player who plays mono red, but I dismissed as you need 3 one drops to make your curve and the card work.
Regisaur alpha actually seems pretty good in temur energy
The only thing I regret about this set is that Vona, Butcher of Magan doesn't have a clause that reads ' Vona can target and exile nonland permanents with hexproof.' Because, right now, flavor fail.
Isn't vance blasting cannons just a worse chandra, torch of defiance?
They did say that it is more difficult to kill than Chandra, and that it is easier to splash than Chandra is. It also could be a budget option.
And I thought some older ehtnic based blocks were offensive, but Ixalan really takes the cake, yeesh. =_=
merfolk is underated.....
for sure
Although I like the video I can't agree that ruin raider is a better dark confidant than a glint-sleeve siphoner if you are playing with energy
Unblockable merefolk hello. Blue green splash black. You can do it right now just from ixalan. May not be super awesome but you will win some 2/3
Regardless of powerlevel Carnage Tyrant is such a boring mythic rare.
Lol, I don't even play standard dude. Mythic rares should be interesting cards not just a big above the curve creature with a bunch of keywords. A waste of a mythic slot.
I agree, it's boring. It may have a relevant creature type in select decks, but it has no interaction with other cards besides turning sideways.
It really should have just been a rare, though I get that wotc wouldn't want it appearing in many drafts.
Really no walk the plank?? 2 mana destroy anything even at sorcery speed seems really good as a 2 of next to fatal push and veraska's contempt
onewhovlogs The main problem with it is that it's double black and sorcery speed. Fatal Push is easy to splash in anything, and Vraska's Contempt hits more things while gaining you life. The main commonality between the two is instant speed. While Plank can kill anything other than merfolk, not being able to hold it up if your opponent slams down something like an eternalized Earthshaker Khenra or Chandra, Torch of Defiance makes it a little less than optimal. I do agree, it is strong, but the instant speed is a bit more relevant than sorcery speed
Doesn't kill River Sneak.
Doesn't kill gods like grasp did
The big difference is Vraska's Contempt Exiles while Walk the Plank only destroys. It's actually relevant in a format with Amonkhet/HOD, there's some big things in that block that need to be exiled if you want to be rid of them.
Hitting Planeswalkers is just a nice bonus, it's the exiling that makes the difference.
Where's a River Sneak at on this list?
I'm not allowed to say Hunt Master's full name because I tend to talk fast and when I say the full name it comes out as something very, very different....
There are answers for Carnage Tyrant -- you just have to get creative: Failure/Comply and Commit are good tempo spells that don't care about it being uncounterable; Trial of Ambition and Doomfall are good edict effects (use targeted removal for the other dorks); Gideon's Intervention prevents all damage/stops it from even being cast, while Settle the Wreckage and Fumigate can wrath it away; Haze of Pollen can just fog when it attacks. The only color that really has no answer is red, which would have to use at least 2 sweepers and 8 Mana to clear it.
maybe people will have to start running death touch for big dino
I laughed at "miserable in limited" after I opened only 2 removal spells in my naya dinos with 3 avatars.
hm i think you miss hostage taker, it gonna do crasy thing in standard:)
Jace carried my deck through prerelease. Good card es good. The loot stacks with other JCC triggers. There is no reason not to ult Jace. Illusion tokens get better after you ult Jace at least once.
Thomas Yang same. I had a blue black evasion deck, and I pulled Jace and it won me many games
Merfolk really need a real lord. I will still be playing them because they are merfolk, but I acknowledge that they need a lord
rivers rebuke isnt that bad against dinos, if your Dimir you have fatal push and walk the plank for the early game, i agree 6 is slow but if they dont have a turn 4-5 tyrant you can swing the momentum back your way.
tyrant is good but not that good, i just think all the board wipes are gonna dry up just to deal with it but there are answers for it and i think once the hype dies down so will the price
Between ramunap ruins, lighting strike, and spitfire bastion red has a lot of reach.
Deathgorge deals with those annoying hour gods
unsummon can take care of carnage tyrant ......if u play it correctly. red green cant mess with ur hand.
y does noone talk about the uncommon 5\5 haste dyno. its a reality smasher .....and only cost 1 red easy splash. they basically brought eldrazi back and called them dinosours
Who else here is thinking Gideon's intervention will increase in price
Ripjaw and old growth dryad seem to push for stompy
I still think Settle the Wreckage is the best, maybe only white ramp card ever. Kill off your little tokens, go to 8-9 mana on turn 5. Should be easy to win at that point.
KensanOni another reason I love is how good multiples are. A lot of 3 color decks will run out of basics after the second. Then you gearhulks can flashback a third.
Handles tyrant hazoret scarab god and bristling hydra
Or they mentioned a token valakut deck in modern in one do the podcasts. Lol
It may not be while, but Harvest Season does much the same thing for cheaper and without killing your creatures and sees no play. There are differences in how the 2 cards play but I don't think those differences are enough to make Settle the Wreckage work this way when Harvest Season didn't (even with cards like Cryptolith Rite making it even easier).
Justin Postlewaite I'm not saying your wrong. I am saying that it gives a different color access to ramp. Esper has a lot of high cost cards on it's end. While GX may not want to use Harvest Season, because it has better ramp option, WX might want access to ramp, and this can give it to them.
KensanOni You may be right. It could actually be pretty good in some of the B/W (sometimes also with green but I think that will be dropped since it seemed mostly for Catacomb Sifter) hidden stockpile, almost aristocrat like token decks Sam Black was playing a lot recently that I think may get even better now. It could be really good there - earlier versions didn't have a lot to ramp in to but this could help incentivize doing that. Something like a B/W heavy token deck with Oketra's Monument, servo tokens, Hidden Stockpile and some of the new token producers to ramp really quickly into Marionette Master to combo kill the opponent very quickly seems potentially awesome. That definitely seems like a Sam Black kind of deck and sounds sweet. I'm still a bit skeptical because using Settle the Wreckage this way has a fairly high set up cost and requires a lot to go right and the deck may just not even need it, just using other ways to ramp now like treasure (although I don't think there's any treasure in white but there's a bunch in black and blue) and dowsing dagger/lost vale.
Its definitely worth trying out but I'm a bit wary since it may just not be as consistent as just using treasure from black and/or blue (since you mentioned esper - which also has improvise which I still hope does something but probably won't) and I thought Harvest Season could be really good (again especially with cryptolith rite) since even though green has other ramp the ceiling for it seemed SO high. I think using Settle the Wreckage as ramp also has a very high ceiling, but may just not end up as consistent as other options. I hope I'm wrong because I think it would be really cool and I love seeing cards used in non-obvious ways. We'll just have to wait and see. At the very least it would make a very cool Against the Odds deck!
Though I do agree Ripjaw Raptor is powerful, I think it's a bit overrated, and will end up in Bristling Hydra's level of play and price.
answer to carnage tyrant=elctrostatic pummeler
nacho gramage You really want to waste your energy on killing one creature?
the point is attacking for 36 on turn 4
River's rebuke
I miss the RoboSeth
no growing rights of itlimac? wow
Itlamac?
for standard? nah
Xander Musser but wouldn't it be great at getting out an early Carnage tyrant?
*I mean for fuck sake - Jace is currently Tom Hanks from Castaway looking for Wilson lost at sea, while simultaneously battling Johnny Depp and the entire Pirates of the Caribbean crew...And when Jace is on land, he's meandering around Jurassic fucking Park island trying not to piss himself in the bathroom like Jeff Goldbloom did when he see's a 40 ft T-Rex adorned with magical feathers! Jace is confused here, he clearly doesn't know whether he's about to be eaten by the T-Rex, or if he should pet it, and is expecting it to "Ca-Caw" because it has parrot feathers on its lizard skin....*
*Jace, the Ass Pirate*
*ultimate ability: Creates homosexual copies of himself to keep himself entertained at sea.*
*Flavor text: "Yaargh, bring me da 'booty' ye copycat, swashbuckling, doppelganger!"*
No, all jokes aside Amonkhet and Ixalan are interesting and cool fictional settings.
Vraska's Contempt XLN Rare 4.72 Tix
Imagine how bad is the removal in the format if this bulk rare is 4 tix. The double promo fatal push I think It whas on purpose to release some decent removal in standar.
Xavi Simon I wouldn't consider it a bulk rare. Exiling for 4 is actually pretty good, and it only gets better with all the gods in the format. Having the option of a planeswalker and gaining 2 life is worth the mana
I think is pretty bad 4CMC is to late, and to late... is to late GG game lost.
Exile a creature should be CMC3 ccB.
cBB its already somehow more restrictive, its fine for “destroy a creature or planeswalker” a good example is Hero's Downfall (0,03TIX right now)
Vraska's Contempt should be cBB and pay 2 life, and it could be a correct balance, but they wanted do force the cost to 4 and they aided winning 2 life thing absolutely stupid because you are loosing more life in the turns you can’t cast it.
Cast out cost 4 exiling any permanent not even double W.
Anguished Unmaking cost 3 and 3 life exiling any permanent.
I just dot get the point of placing vital but bad removal on rare slots to make it cost 5 or 6 tix wen they will drop to 0,01 once trey move to modern. Black removal has been so bad in the last set (fatal push exception, but its pretty conditional and much better for modern on fetches).
Standard removal is so bad rigt now that even Walk the Plank its around 0.20tix
If black can only deal with creatures and its not good even for this I just full commit to blue at leas I cant deal with almost everything for cUU with cancel.
Then if I compare Vraska's Contempt with Settle the Wreckage … you can exile opponent board instant speed for 4 mana if he full commit, o blossoming defense or anything can save it once he attacks
The card is good for white decks just existing even if you don’t play it, because it wilt change the way peoples play, believe me once you get blow out by this you will remember, and people seing xxWW mana up will pray just to get cast out wile they attack.
BTW I just remember Declaration in Stone 2 manna instant speed, and black gets Hour of Glory super useful
B tempoing-out itself since …. :S
Missing hostage taker.
Y'all got hella clout
Rivers Rebuke.
Second
Red can technically deal with Tyrant, with Star of Extinction
First, love the vid
did you even watch it before you said you loved it?
Tom Padget lol
Tom Padget I had started and I meant I've been wanting to see a top 10 for this so yeah I loved it
Vizier of many faces can copy tyrant for 4 an just trade
chaz........
Omg get over it! What is every colors best way to beat carnage tyrant? Kill you until turn 6!! This thing is the biggest joke since... well I dont even know, there hasnt been a joke so big before. This thing's price will drop harder than Skrillex' Bass after a few weeks of standard.
Schweiner Why don't you get one of these played
On turn 4 with haste against you, then we can talk again.
oh of course, because my deck neither plays removal to kill their early ramp, nor does my deck play Settle the wreckage, or fumigate, nor is able to do way more damage than 7 by turn 4, so.... ... ehm no wait. my deck (any tier 1 or 2 deck) does one of these things. so i dont care about all the backflips you have to do to unlikely get that thing out on turn 4. you either dont, or you are dead anyway the next turn.
Schweiner Bro, I think you should probably get on proxying up some decks and doing some actual testing of the format. Or watch someone on on youtube do it for you. Either way I would educate yourself before you embarass yourself any further. Dinosaurs plays Blossoming defence in the main and Shapers sanctuary in the side, Carnage tyrant isnt their only threat either and if you think Ripjaw raptor goes down easy to anything but Revolted push or Walk the plank....assuming he doesnt hit the board on turn 3 and like I said...has blossoming defence for protection if you did have your magical christmas land perfect removal every single time and then you still whiff.
Everything dinosaurs plays deserves an answer, and no one packs enough removal to negate every single play dinosaurs makes and still have time to develop a game plan or a board of their own.
So please, go educate yourself and then you can come back here and tell us how garbage carnage tyrant is with your GP results.
I would rather play Hour of Glory over Vraska's Contempt.
Why?
Not as costly; Vraska's Contempt is two BB and Hour of Glory is one B.
That'd depend on your deck. Three colour deck, maybe. Two colour deck, you should have 2B by then
I hate standard. it's not magic anymore. it's basically ugioh
Cody Lewis how?
Why even ask, clearly doesnt know what hes talking about in the first place.
Jay Marshbank Lol I guess your right
But this is not new Cody , they have been pushing creatures and nerfing spells since mirrodin.
Xavi Simon Pushing creatures, nerfing spells? Haha you're funny. Have you noticed the new broken planeswalkers we got? How about vehicles? Those are not creatures either, and control is a big part of the standard meta game, they are just making aggro a viable strategy so every deck is not midrange or control. Please elaborate what you are trying to say.
Set is trash lel sry
Well I sure don't see how anyone can even try to argue against such a well stated point.
Justin Postlewaite Lol, it really is pretty bad. The most expensive card carnage tyrant, is under $30, like wtf wizards.
So you're basing the quality of the set on pre-order prices before anyone has played with the cards? The prices are going to change radically. This set also seems to have generally weak mythics (probably to help offset the possible price increase from getting rid of masterpieces) which I think is good. And are you upset that there's no Gideons, Emrakuls, Smuggler's Copters or Atherworks Marvels? The format is better when there aren't a few cards that overpower everything else. Also what do you expect to happen to the power level of sets after they had to ban numerous cards causing widespread complaint? Even with all that the set looks pretty good to me, but I guess I'm crazy in preferring the cards to be cheap rather than expensive.
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