if he'd have said, "I'm off to watch the mens double luge at the winter Olympics" you wouldn't have believed he was from the future. and it is more or less the same thing as sexy robots, if you squint.
TBH, this video put me in an existential crisis. You see, I am actually incredibly sexy. Does this mean I am a robot? Should I be rebelling? Is Quinns after me at this very moment?
I have a question.... is it (or rather will it be) a rebellion of normal robots, the act of which is sexy, or is it a rebellion of sexy robots? Your answer will affect my battle preparations.
To any watching this in the future... this game is amazing when you follow the rules. There is nothing wrong with randomness mixed with determinate outcomes. In fact, Summoner Wars is even mooooooore maddeningly mixed in this regard. Quinns is off his rocker on this one folks. Normally he's firmly on his rocker. This time he's off his rocker. Or maybe his Granny's rocker if he doesn't own a rocker. Regardless, you're welcome for saving you from this terrrrrrrible review. Buy this game. It is firmly on its Granny's rocker.
Does change the game slightly. If by slightly you mean, totally. Also ranged units being a problem because they make ranged attacks? What about cover? Line of sight? Using the range units to tie up activations of faster units so that they’re dealt with? There’s a lot going on with this game and in my opinion you missed all those subtleties. But there you go, the game got culled in true FFG tradition anyway, but it remains one of my favourites. Entertaining but wrong review imho 😅
Hilarious, as usual! If it makes you feel any better, our group just spent hours last weekend playing it wrong exactly the way you did. So unintuitive to keep cycling all your cards and playing all your units in a the first phase before moving in to the next phase. But it’s SO much better that way. Once we did that, the game felt epic and not nearly as restrained as you mentioned.
how did you play it wrong? you play only one of your tactic cards and then the player that goes first, just uses everything at once, before the enemy player does?
At the end, about the Tantive IV, while I tend to pronounce it the same way you do, apparently it's supposed to be "Tan - ti - Vee" (even according to Wookieepedia). "Tantive" is apparently an old English word that means "to gallop at full speed."
Do the old Penny Arcade reviews get linked together on here? Do they "belong" to Shut Up & Sit Down? I haven't done a search and don't remember the old reviews, but I saw one or two of them on RUclips recently, too.
Do the likes of Penny Arcade still have the 'rights' to the video for a certain length of time? I enjoy watching all the old reviews I missed but I'm a bit curious why the upload them piecemeal.
Probably to keep a constant stream of content. It's better for the majority of viewers (I don't want to wake up one day and find 600 new videos all marked "NEW TO YOU") and it's also better for the channel, as it keeps the channel with fresh content (or 'fresh to you') and it helps make the channel more popular, according to RUclips's stupid analytics.
Have you listened to their latest podcast episodes (episode 71-72 i believe) ? They talk about pirated games and how its really easy to accidentally purchasing counter-feit games online, which screws the developers and also leaves you with a worse quality product. Not saying you bought a pirated copy, its a somewhat old game now so maybe it just made sense to put it on sale, but SU&SD really opened my eyes for how easy it is to make a bad buy online and I just thought it would be wise to share that!
This game got hard cancelled when FFG lost the Games Workshop licence. A true shame about that. These days, 8 years later, IMO FFG is a shadow of what it was back in the day. I have this game and the two expansions which I've just pulled from the shelf to review it's worth. To be honest... it's a neat game and concept. I feel that it could be expanded nicely.
Sounds a lot like what you're actually struggling with is risk management. Any good wargames is centered around spreading yourself wide to commit to more objectives vs allocating more resources to a single objective to curb outcomes while your opponent is trying to do exactly the same to you. If you play with two commanders 1v1, the game opens up quite a bit as well (list building and battlewise)
Haha, During half of the first half of this review I ordered this game on Amazon then during half of the second half I quickly and summarily canceled it. Perhaps I should wait for your beginning of the end rather then the end of the beginning to quote the great Churchill......
the base game will fill your warhammer veteran heart only with aquired addons (dwarfs, undead, skaven and darkelves) because, thats warhammer, you want as much minituares aka discs as possible :D .. too bad that ffg wont create new content for this game ever again :(
Is this the first citation of Mid-Review Turnaround? If you liked that one, wait until you get to Paul's Azul review. That one is a 10/10 MRTA ruclips.net/video/NK73VT0oFZM/видео.html
Why? The game is OOP (though still in stock various places as it wasn't the biggest seller) since Fantasy Flight no longer has the Warhammer licence. These days there are multiple alternatives (like the Summoner Wars they recommend), unless the disk-flipping is the one thing you like the most...
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen I’d never seen this game before but I liked the look of the disc flipping mechanic. I’ve never seen that before . Did not know it was out of print so guess a re review isn’t necessary. Cool concept though
Yeah, I had a couple of boxes of the "precursor" that didn't have the WH licence, and which had the "drop tokens from a height" system for ranged combat instead of the dice. Entertaining.
www.amazon.com/Fantasy-Flight-Games-WHD01-Warhammer/dp/1616617675?tag=shupsido02-20 It's also available at most major North American and European retailers.
Shut Up & Sit Down fair enough, this however is limited supply and not all geographical locations will have it in stock (I.e. UK amazon holds only one copy, De 5 copies) and mm not be able to restock it since ffg lost the license. Should be a fair warning.
No need to exaggerate. They wrote an addendum. Paul said that he played the game with the rule corrected, and still couldn't recommend it. The major issues they point out (that the game seems to demand planning but injects excessive randomness) is unrelated to the rule in question. www.shutupandsitdown.com/addendum-diskwars-review/
They did re-review it. Quinns from the future popped in during the opening to explain this. There's a link in the description, right up at the top, impossible to miss. It's explained in video and in text.
Well technically, he's not exaggerating: they did play it drastically wrong and they did leave the original review up and only put out the addendum. Pedantic me, out!
My experience of their games left me finding them...overwrought, for want of a better term. Their rulesets are dense and needlessly complex, the gameplay has so many moving parts that you loose any sense of atmosphere to pacing issues. Many times they implement mechanics that turn their stuff into Computer Game: The Board Game. That is, whereas with a vidya, there's a machine running in the background, doing the heavy lifting of moving NPCs, math, and such so you can just focus on enjoying the game, FF dumps all of that into your lap and treats it like they're doing you a favor. Overall, I have found each of the half dozen or so games I've played by them to be frustrating and alienating. FF does two things well: Secure good IPs, and excellent production values. Beyond those, I can't imagine why they're popular.
Yeah. Fantasy Flight puts out all KINDS of different games. This one is a grand tabletop experience culled down to a tight little package you can "store in a cup", while something like, say, Talisman, is like Monopoly if it had a plot, triple the characters, expansions, made you twice as angry as a game of Monopoly with your family, and lasted three times as long. Fantasy Flight doesn't always make good games, but they always manage to craft an experience. But the one thing they *don't* do is make cookie-cutter games, copied ad infinitum, over and over, without ever changing, trying new things, or reinventing old ideas. I don't like EVERY game they make, but they make a HUGE VARIETY of games. We have Talisman. We also have Twilight Imperium, a game rightfully regarded as a masterpiece on every level. What I'm saying: they have variety.
I take nothing away from you enjoying it. Indeed, your view is, I think, more emblematic of their fan base than mine is. My position is that it is wholly reasonable to anticipate the quality of a gaming experience I am likely to have from a publisher the way one can anticipate the style and quality of , say, an animated feature based on if it was produced by Pixar versus Dreamworks, as an example. Please appreciate that this is not a decision rushed into quickly but was developed over the course of multiple playthroughs of about six of their games. That is enough for me to assess my own ability to enjoy their stuff.
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I'm glad someone else realizes that the parallelogram is just inherently funny
the game is discontinued, fantasy flight and gamesworkshop had a falling out (short version of the story)
So if this is Quinns from the future... but it's an old video... is this Quinns from the now?
😎
I don't see the sexy robot uprising.
if he'd have said, "I'm off to watch the mens double luge at the winter Olympics" you wouldn't have believed he was from the future. and it is more or less the same thing as sexy robots, if you squint.
Is it a rebellion of sexy robots, or is it a robot rebellion conducted in a sexy manner?
TBH, this video put me in an existential crisis. You see, I am actually incredibly sexy. Does this mean I am a robot? Should I be rebelling? Is Quinns after me at this very moment?
I have a question.... is it (or rather will it be) a rebellion of normal robots, the act of which is sexy, or is it a rebellion of sexy robots? Your answer will affect my battle preparations.
To any watching this in the future... this game is amazing when you follow the rules. There is nothing wrong with randomness mixed with determinate outcomes. In fact, Summoner Wars is even mooooooore maddeningly mixed in this regard. Quinns is off his rocker on this one folks. Normally he's firmly on his rocker. This time he's off his rocker. Or maybe his Granny's rocker if he doesn't own a rocker. Regardless, you're welcome for saving you from this terrrrrrrible review. Buy this game. It is firmly on its Granny's rocker.
Parallelogram he said!
It's this kind of imagination geometry that made me subscribe to internet to begin with.
I think mixing deterministic melee and magic with random ranged combat is perfectly fine.
Does change the game slightly. If by slightly you mean, totally. Also ranged units being a problem because they make ranged attacks? What about cover? Line of sight? Using the range units to tie up activations of faster units so that they’re dealt with? There’s a lot going on with this game and in my opinion you missed all those subtleties. But there you go, the game got culled in true FFG tradition anyway, but it remains one of my favourites. Entertaining but wrong review imho 😅
3:05 Hoot man. *in the most scottish way I cannae fink*
Oh! It's Quinns of future past!
Hilarious, as usual!
If it makes you feel any better, our group just spent hours last weekend playing it wrong exactly the way you did. So unintuitive to keep cycling all your cards and playing all your units in a the first phase before moving in to the next phase. But it’s SO much better that way.
Once we did that, the game felt epic and not nearly as restrained as you mentioned.
how did you play it wrong? you play only one of your tactic cards and then the player that goes first, just uses everything at once, before the enemy player does?
At the end, about the Tantive IV, while I tend to pronounce it the same way you do, apparently it's supposed to be "Tan - ti - Vee" (even according to Wookieepedia).
"Tantive" is apparently an old English word that means "to gallop at full speed."
I love that the older reviews are landing in RUclips BUT I am finding games I missed that are now out of print dang it!
Carpe Mkarzi
its 16 dollars amazon prime.
Do the old Penny Arcade reviews get linked together on here? Do they "belong" to Shut Up & Sit Down? I haven't done a search and don't remember the old reviews, but I saw one or two of them on RUclips recently, too.
They are re-uploading the old ones they ran on other channels previously to their own channel.
Do the likes of Penny Arcade still have the 'rights' to the video for a certain length of time? I enjoy watching all the old reviews I missed but I'm a bit curious why the upload them piecemeal.
Probably to keep a constant stream of content.
It's better for the majority of viewers (I don't want to wake up one day and find 600 new videos all marked "NEW TO YOU") and it's also better for the channel, as it keeps the channel with fresh content (or 'fresh to you') and it helps make the channel more popular, according to RUclips's stupid analytics.
Thumbs up for the shout out to Infinity. Cinematic skirmish done right!
Holy cow, did Quinns just stop himself from putting a board game component in his mouth!?!?!
in the future ppl dress like 1985
What does the addendum say? The website doesn't work on my phone.
Just found for super discount online... Still haven't opened, but for 70% off, decided it was worth the risk
Have you listened to their latest podcast episodes (episode 71-72 i believe) ? They talk about pirated games and how its really easy to accidentally purchasing counter-feit games online, which screws the developers and also leaves you with a worse quality product. Not saying you bought a pirated copy, its a somewhat old game now so maybe it just made sense to put it on sale, but SU&SD really opened my eyes for how easy it is to make a bad buy online and I just thought it would be wise to share that!
You won't regret it, game is really great.
Why i don't get any recommended videos attached to this one?
Are you just eating spoonfuls of gravy granules? I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that.
How do you Play DiscWars with 1 player?
I thought the numbers on the command cards was SUPPOSED to be how many units moved that turn...
Does anyone know if this game has gotten decent support and if it's worth getting into today?
This game got hard cancelled when FFG lost the Games Workshop licence. A true shame about that. These days, 8 years later, IMO FFG is a shadow of what it was back in the day.
I have this game and the two expansions which I've just pulled from the shelf to review it's worth. To be honest... it's a neat game and concept. I feel that it could be expanded nicely.
You can find some really good fan-made expansions on BGG!
Sounds a lot like what you're actually struggling with is risk management. Any good wargames is centered around spreading yourself wide to commit to more objectives vs allocating more resources to a single objective to curb outcomes while your opponent is trying to do exactly the same to you. If you play with two commanders 1v1, the game opens up quite a bit as well (list building and battlewise)
Haha, During half of the first half of this review I ordered this game on Amazon then during half of the second half I quickly and summarily canceled it. Perhaps I should wait for your beginning of the end rather then the end of the beginning to quote the great Churchill......
But this game! The review is entiiiiirely wrooooong.
the base game will fill your warhammer veteran heart only with aquired addons (dwarfs, undead, skaven and darkelves) because, thats warhammer, you want as much minituares aka discs as possible :D .. too bad that ffg wont create new content for this game ever again :(
Y'know i watch this.. and then i wonder if anyone has ever actually review warhammer itself.
So your quins from this year?
"Ha ha ha, ha ha, ha ha ha, yeah this games not very good"
Its a good game but is it still even in print with the FFG/GW divorce of last year??
Barely. It's probably now or never.
A welcome look back at the Old World prior to AoS
Well at least he isn’t using gravity and love to communicate through time. Or something.
Ah the ancient sport φρησβυ
Best joke
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
Idk why but Quinns reminds me of Terry A. Davis xD
Your imitation of Chapter Master Shitty Accent? Hilarious. Very funny as always. Congrats!
sounded a little like billy connolly
Is this the first citation of Mid-Review Turnaround? If you liked that one, wait until you get to Paul's Azul review. That one is a 10/10 MRTA ruclips.net/video/NK73VT0oFZM/видео.html
I would suggest a re-review maybe.?
Why? The game is OOP (though still in stock various places as it wasn't the biggest seller) since Fantasy Flight no longer has the Warhammer licence.
These days there are multiple alternatives (like the Summoner Wars they recommend), unless the disk-flipping is the one thing you like the most...
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen I’d never seen this game before but I liked the look of the disc flipping mechanic. I’ve never seen that before . Did not know it was out of print so guess a re review isn’t necessary. Cool concept though
Yeah, I had a couple of boxes of the "precursor" that didn't have the WH licence, and which had the "drop tokens from a height" system for ranged combat instead of the dice. Entertaining.
Fun valentines day was it?
I thought warhammer was games workshop and games workshop pulled it's IP from fantasy flight last year.
Yes, but there are still some in stock various places. Also, old video.
How did you like Malifaux? I found it really full of promise but ultimately pretty disappointing.
How feasible is it to re-upload the video of a review of a game that is discontinued and not really available outside of 2nd hand market?
www.amazon.com/Fantasy-Flight-Games-WHD01-Warhammer/dp/1616617675?tag=shupsido02-20
It's also available at most major North American and European retailers.
It is still avaiable in many countries at least and pretty cheap too.
Shut Up & Sit Down fair enough, this however is limited supply and not all geographical locations will have it in stock (I.e. UK amazon holds only one copy, De 5 copies) and mm not be able to restock it since ffg lost the license. Should be a fair warning.
How very diskappointing.
Scottish accent is a+
I thought it was northern English, not Scottish? I could be mistaken
@@JKT6 its not much different really.
The dickens you say...ah the US site, I was looking more locally at the .ca. Thx
For someone who doesn't like Scotland, you can do quite a convincing accent.
x-wing=cheap lol
Do you wear eyeshadow? No judgment, just wondering. 😉
Mage wars > summoner wars
MMMM Bisto
For anyone watching this please remember that they drastically played the game wrong. And refused to re-review it when it was pointed out to them.
No need to exaggerate. They wrote an addendum. Paul said that he played the game with the rule corrected, and still couldn't recommend it. The major issues they point out (that the game seems to demand planning but injects excessive randomness) is unrelated to the rule in question.
www.shutupandsitdown.com/addendum-diskwars-review/
They did re-review it.
Quinns from the future popped in during the opening to explain this. There's a link in the description, right up at the top, impossible to miss. It's explained in video and in text.
Well technically, he's not exaggerating: they did play it drastically wrong and they did leave the original review up and only put out the addendum. Pedantic me, out!
first
Chris Leeder brilliant
3:10 decided to switch off. 3:15 decided to tell you that Scotland isn't a region of your beloved England. shite game btw
Fantasy Flight? Pass.
My experience of their games left me finding them...overwrought, for want of a better term. Their rulesets are dense and needlessly complex, the gameplay has so many moving parts that you loose any sense of atmosphere to pacing issues. Many times they implement mechanics that turn their stuff into Computer Game: The Board Game. That is, whereas with a vidya, there's a machine running in the background, doing the heavy lifting of moving NPCs, math, and such so you can just focus on enjoying the game, FF dumps all of that into your lap and treats it like they're doing you a favor. Overall, I have found each of the half dozen or so games I've played by them to be frustrating and alienating. FF does two things well: Secure good IPs, and excellent production values. Beyond those, I can't imagine why they're popular.
Yeah.
Fantasy Flight puts out all KINDS of different games.
This one is a grand tabletop experience culled down to a tight little package you can "store in a cup", while something like, say, Talisman, is like Monopoly if it had a plot, triple the characters, expansions, made you twice as angry as a game of Monopoly with your family, and lasted three times as long.
Fantasy Flight doesn't always make good games, but they always manage to craft an experience.
But the one thing they *don't* do is make cookie-cutter games, copied ad infinitum, over and over, without ever changing, trying new things, or reinventing old ideas. I don't like EVERY game they make, but they make a HUGE VARIETY of games.
We have Talisman. We also have Twilight Imperium, a game rightfully regarded as a masterpiece on every level.
What I'm saying: they have variety.
I take nothing away from you enjoying it. Indeed, your view is, I think, more emblematic of their fan base than mine is.
My position is that it is wholly reasonable to anticipate the quality of a gaming experience I am likely to have from a publisher the way one can anticipate the style and quality of , say, an animated feature based on if it was produced by Pixar versus Dreamworks, as an example.
Please appreciate that this is not a decision rushed into quickly but was developed over the course of multiple playthroughs of about six of their games. That is enough for me to assess my own ability to enjoy their stuff.