Is the Leaf Village Evil?
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- The Leaf Village is often portrayed as the heroic heart of the Naruto world, but how much of its history is built on nationalism, secrecy, and conflict? In this video, I dive into whether the Hidden Leaf could be considered evil, examining its role in major conflicts-from the Uchiha Clan’s downfall to Pain’s vendetta, its wars with other nations, and, of course, Danzo’s underhanded schemes.
This is a deep dive into the wrongdoings of Konoha and the consequences of its nationalism. Was it all truly for the greater good, or was the village just as flawed as its enemies?
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It’s evil and disgusting, but it mirrors our world.
It's not, you're overreacting. The main person causing problems in the village was Danzo.
@@jasontoddler7680cause Danzo forced a buch of grown ass peoplz to gang on a kid? Bro be fr
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@@lazairance forced grown up people to hate a kid that have a weapon of destruction in it
Like i don't know
if i don't know how that shit work i would tell my son to stay away from him to
And let's ignore mfs that have there families dead like kid or not they would still hate its bad but not pure evil its one of the point of the show
@@lazairance Danzo had Yahiko eliminated, creating Pain. He put Kabuto and Nonō against each other, creating an enemy in Kabuto. He helped fund and partake in Orochimaru's experiments, creating more problems than I care to explain. He then stole Shisui's eye and had Itachi eradicate his own clan. It's just par for the course that he was also the person to tell the villagers that Naruto contained the ninetails. He was the main proprietor of evil in the story.
It’s highly corrupt, incompetent & evil.
First Hokage gave away the Tailed Beasts like candy, Tobirama for inventing the revival jutsu & discrimination towards Uchiha, Hiruzen for mishandling everything & losing ONE too many prodigies under his command.
Hashirama gave them nukes so they don't attack each other...
@@grandcanyon-d4d Yet, and they STILL attack anyway
@Karlos1234ify they were mostly proxies
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life and asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy the world and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in the 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his students love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers i think kishimoto wrote the kages to be evil and incompetent so that sasuke revolution is right end 33 proves it
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed and calligraphy, Tobirama hates the Uchiha, Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama givening tailed beast that can destroy the world toother countries, and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties.
It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
The Leaf is not inherently evil but I think the optimism of Naruto basically cleanses all the misfortune Konoha has brought about the ninja world. We know Naruto is 100% willing to fix the Leaf from the inside but rather unfortunately he’s still interested in keeping the status quo. Something I’m sure must still bother Sasuke on some level.
That's a fair POV. Its honestly a shame that we never saw Naruto interact with Koharu & Homura, even though they're always dictating what he can or cant do as a jinchūriki. Its a wasted opportunity
Yeah Naruto is too nice and forgiving for his own good. We shouldn't even have a Boruto era if Naruto truly understood Sasuke. Now Naruto has tried to right some wrongs like how the Chunin exams are much safer now, but we shouldn't even have child soilders! I don't blame Sasuke for not being comfortable with Konoha after all that happened
Sasuke was right for wanting the complete destruction of the Shinobi system
I agreed with his philosophy. The shinobi system and even the village system was flawed and either needed to go or be completely overhauled.
Watch naruto now that I am older I realized that the hidden leaf village are the real villains of the story
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You need to go back and actually rewatch and stop watching through RUclips.
@@jasontoddler7680 So are you saying despite all of the genocides, plundering and backstabbing Konoha is responsible for that made them the strongest and most popular Village (much like the USA), they are the good guys because most of our favourite characters come from there?
Naruto is either suffering Stockholm syndrome or misochist for crying like bitch about pain destroying the village
Have ever read any konoha bashing fic whee villager straight up torture the fuck out of naruto causing him to be more realistic like sasuke
Tobirama literally invented a jutsu that can bring people back from the dead in a world where people can blow up continents and summon kaiju monsters and didn’t think it was going to be used for evil. That alone says a lot about what’s wrong with the Leaf.
Yeah he did think it would be used for evil hence why he labeled it a forbidden jutsu and kept it a secret.
@DiazStation1992 yes I mean danzo was his student that alone should be enough he was also racist towards the uchiha madrara was right when said that the uchiha clan were going to be killed by the hidden leaf village in the future
@@wolfman596 Why did he invent that jutsu at all? That is absolutely messed up.
1. He never intended for it to get into the wrong hands since Konoha was the dominant superpower for almost 100 years and only the Hokage should have access to the scroll containing the jutsu.
2. The original purpose of the jutsu was to revive someone that could then take others out without them dying, kamikaze style. This implies that the original purpose was the quick revival of someone already deceased on the battlefield by using a dying/lethally injured soldier irrespective of the allegiance. The jutsu's original purpose oozes Tobirama's meritocratism and pragmatism. He tunnel visioned onto that singular purpose and didn't account for the possible ways the jutsu could be misused.
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The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story like when nagato said what about my friends my family another example is sasuke his whole clan was kill by the hidden leaf village another example is kabuto we see in his backstory how he was used by the hidden leaf and they tried to kill him even orochimaru hated the hidden leaf village because his parents died because of them no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
after the death of her lover tsunade had nothing but distain for the hokage's even calling the job a curse saying they were all fool's who died for nothing and this was the granddaughter of the first hokage who helped invent the title kage
@@lightyoshiman Hiruzen also refused each group to have a medical unit
The show was biased towards the hidden leaf, because we see it from the leafs pov it looks like they’re the oppressed, but pain. Clearly shows us the absurd nationalism that corrupted the leaf
The fandom has a deep konoha bias.
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Probably the best vidéo on Naruto out there
And because Sasuke was against this entire poisonous, corrupt and broken system he was called and edgelord annoying crybaby for not being coward and conforming to his backstabbers will like Itachi did.
Sasuke is a character that highlights the hypocrisy and immaturity of a lot of the Naruto fan base.
100%, That's why I believe Sasuke is pretty underrated and dynamic character
Sasuke was 100 percent right about revolution end 33 proves Sasuke is best written character in naruto
Naruto himself is a hypocrite. Pain literally exposed him
@TawshifShafi yes naruto is a hypocrite he didn't keep his promise to nagato about the rian valige and keept the truth about the uchiha massacre a secret and his says destiny doesn't matter but he is the child of destiny naruto is a hypocrite
@dytgyfgyffuh243 not only that he praised itachi for the massacre, where itachi himself understand he was used and regrets.
have you seen how Hokage’s think? Hiruzen is all about that weed , Tobirama hates the uchiha and works on human experiments like orochimaru Kakashi thinks about porn all day, Tsunade has a bad case of getting drunk and gambling, Hashirama give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and Naruto being very stupid with his hokage duties.
It’s safe to say that hokage thinking and the will of fire ideology isn’t something to be proud of
what about Minato & Naruto?
@JuubiTaz i have a question itachi and sakumo Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative what do think juubitaz
I bet Tobirama conducted human experiments during the first war
His first human sacrifice would have been an uchiha
Sure thing, for him to have created the edo tensei, lives were lost
I mean he literally created a jutsu to reanimate people by sacrificing a living being.
@azurawhatever yes and fans see tobirama as 100 percent good guy
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 killing others isn't in itself evil, the leaf village kills to ensure its survival. As long as they were attacked it was totally fine to kill other Shinobi as they are combatants. The Uchiha Clan Powers made them dangerous to anyone around them as they lost someone they loved, a Uchiha could become too strong for anyone to defeat in battle if they grow pure hatred. So yeah Tobirama did what he had to do. Just cuz you're humans doesn't mean they deserve human rights when they can become extremely powerful beings that only a top tier Senju could possibly defeat. It's the duty of any of the leaders that the Uchiha never become that strong again and if it means eradicating them then so be it they're too powerful to give human rights to. Uchiha only makes good weapons nothing else.
Bro I always wanted this topic discussed
This village is f**king evil man
Yes fuck the hidden leaf village no wonder every villain hates them like pain and sasuke and kabuto because they ruined their lives the hidden leaf village are hypocrites and evil
The village drove Kakashi’s father to self terminate,
Made Naruto’s life a living hell, Danzo pulling bs in the background
No wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 Hell even tsunade abandoned it at one point calling the kage's fools for giving their lives up for the village
The same thing happened in literally every other village, that's human nature. You can't force change but you can influence people with your actions.
Kabuto backstory made me hate the leaf
@@ELcharo10 You guys keep saying "the leaf" as if 90% of these problems don't arise from Danzo.
Any system that uses child soldiers to fight their battles is evil to me. I don't see anybody mentioning that. They literally send children to do their dirty work for them.
The whole ninja system is a glorified paid killers who work for feudal lords who have a lot of political power that is never seen for any good, and you better believe that when the villages were made they had a lot more military resources to use, but because other feudal lords were scared of each other they start to fund their villages and create a endless cycle of war which demanded more ninja which made the villages use child soldiers. Realistically the shinobi systems is extremely corruptible as no matter how noble the Kages could be, all it will take is one who wants to create more conflict for new power and growth, and sadly with other Kages more focus on their own people they will do everything to make the system continue. Zabuza and Haku is a symptom of the system and we as the audience should be horrified, and what I hate a lot is how the First Hokage praised Itachi for being a great ninja even though he should have hated the fact that his village made a young boy kill his whole clan because he need to prove his loyalty, which could have been a ironic example of how Madara was right about what the village could have been done.
Yes no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village
It makes hashirama a hypocrite what happen to i want to create a village were children won't have to experience war and the hidden leaf village sendes children like kakashi obito and rin to fight in war and hashirama one of the so called heros praise itachi for committing genocide and killing innocent people and children but a villain like madrara critics that way of thinking when said it will bring darkness to the village like madara said spilling blood while talking about peace is something only humans can do end 33 proves that he was right you see the heros in naruto are not different from the villains
Yes hashirama should have been guilty and ashamed that the village he created forced 12 year old itachi to kill his clan it fucked up that he praise him hashirama has a twisted sense of morality
Total character assassination
Funny is that the narrative of Naruto seems to justify the evil actions of the Leaf Village (except for Danzo’s actions). Like I don’t know I think the series seems to act like the Uchiha clan deserves their own destruction.
The problem is that the show is biased towards the hidden leaf village and the will of fire that no matter what crime they do or how many people they kill their always the good guys because thier home of naruto who is the hero of the story no wonder many villains hate the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
The narrative does go against the Uchiha, & it makes Sasuke seem unreasonable and unhinged for wanting revenge & for refusing to drop it, but yeah that's because we see it from the Leaf's perspective at first. It is kinda sad that the 2 advisors dont get addressed but I guess thats more realistic as well
Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
Ninjutsu was a mistake since black zetsu tempt indra into creating them
@@CARLWINARDCHOY he never did? I remember that Indra created it when he was a child? He was not under Black’s influence at that point,
Tobirama is the source of all problems. Remove him and all conflict is solved automatically
So true tobirama and danzo are the cause of many problems and hiruzen is an incompetent fool
Naruto never *truly* wanted to bring peace. Deeply, he was still the little crying orphan who wanted recognition. That's why Konoha stayed structurally the same.
He went from wanting everyone's attention to wanting world peace by inheriting Jiraiay's wish that was the whole point of his confrontation with pain/nagato it was to show Naruto now having inheriting his masters will while still chasing after his dream of hokage
@@lightyoshimanI even put the word in bold but I guess it wasn't enough.
@@imshkth Guess I should simplify it for you he didn't start out wanting peace he wanted to be hokage he only ever started chasing after that peace dream because it's what Jiraiya wanted he just decided to go for that along side being hokage which was his main dream that simple enough for you?
@@lightyoshiman Still never reformed the ninja world like what Sasuke wanted. Nothing really changed like what was mentioned in the video. Still the same politics behind the scenes.
@ weren't the five nations on much better terms during Naruto's era as hokage? hell the leaf itself even looks a bit more modern as a side effect too I'd say that's a step up compared to what the shinobi world was like before Naruto was there
The reason why Sasuke is my favorite character is that he had went trough so much, never stopped asking or wanting to know the truth before he made his own judgment. When Sasuke learned about how messed up the village was, and what they made not only him but also Itachi go trough just for him to see Danzo wearing his clan eyes like bracelets ofc the last thing he would do is protect the village. The peace his everything had to be sacrificed for, the fact that he had to push, hate and kill his brother just to find out that if he had actually learned the truth sooner he could have spent at least 8 years with his brother wouldn't be appealing to him. It wouldn't be to anyone in his shoes.
Sasuke saw how messed up the system was, the history, the government and even the people were. (They bullied the kid of their savior just because he was keeping the 9 tales from attacking their asses.) He wanted to change it, and I did agree with many parts of his revolution. In the real world, Naruto ideal would have never lasted more than a month, the 5 villages will return to war. Even if Sasuke did change, I don't think his own essence did. He is well aware that he alone may not be able to break the system, but he could assure that with Naruto and him overlooking things, they have a chance to change the course of actions, by raising up a new generation unaffected by past traumas.
The reason I hate Shikamaru even when he was one of my fav is because to me he is like Tobirama. I feel like he holds the same double standard, judging and fearing attitude. Like he was always against Sasuke, even when the latter spent more than 10 years fighting and protecting the village. He had to sacrifice spending time with his family and so on. In the end, Sasuke believed Sarada over his own memories, going to the extent of saving, mentoring and guiding Boruto, returning once more as a rogue Ninja. Shikamaru still saw him as an ennemy in a single moment.
At the end of the day, the villages were the true villains, and yet we were meant to see them as heroes. The moment you disagree you are hated, such as the character themselves like Sasuke, or even viewers who could see a different picture.
Sasuke's a pretty under appreciated character imo, in terms of character quality.
Your channel name has been on repeat in my head all day long.
bro foresaw the video
The funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life when he asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems love even minato didn't know that the mashed man was obito i love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers you see it real that i ask are the kages evil or incompetent at thier jobs i think kishimoto write them this way for sasuke revolution plan to be right
Bro Shippuden Sasuke was a goatee character fr... shame what they did to my boy in Boruto 🥲
@JuubiTaz yes sasuke is weak and boring in brouto every 5 minutes I am out of chakra
Honestly Minato was the lesser evil out of the four like he was only brought back by accident he had nothing to do with the uchiha massacre or the treatment of the uchiha in general his only crime was making his son into a weapon (which his own son even call's him out for and Minato makes no argument). Minato was only released because he was sealed with Hashirama and Hiruzen whom sasuke actually wanted to talk too
@@lightyoshiman yeah, Minato's reign as Hokage was too short tbh
@JuubiTaz Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative, or is there a compromise I didn't read between the lines
I wish boruto was more about systemic issues in the shinobi world.
yeah but instead its about aliens & cyborgs.
Dude! I need to rewatch Naruto with this new information come to light
it's the lesser evil of the village's just because it was the home of the main character doesn't mean it was full of saint's hell the series open's up with a leaf ninja tricking one of it's own resident's (a kid no less) into committing a serious crime with a lie saying the kid would graduate and was planning to kill him afterwards. Tsunade herself even admitted as much to pain when he got on her for how she judged him "yea we caused our share of problems in the past but we also paid for it as well" basically all of the village's were screwed up the leaf was just the most moral of the 5 but they were screwy as well
I think the Leaf having Danzo makes it hard to considered the "most moral"... but yes, all the Shinobi villages were evil & selfish in a way
This is the best take I've seen. But I'd say the hidden cloud probably harbors the title of least evil.
They did kidnap people with Kekkei Genkai from other village
@@CARLWINARDCHOY??? Like who?
@ Hinata hyuga (twice if u count filler) & Kushina Uzumaki
Pain did nothing wrong destroying the Leaf.
Yes both sasuke and pain had every right to hate the hidden leaf village they are not the good guys
I feel bad for the future of the world if people with your mindsets are the ones who will inherit it.
The leaf as in the politicians and the ones pulling the strings? Absolutely. But the children and all these charactes with redeemable qualities? I don’t think so
No
@@lazairancethey bullied Sakumo into suicide and abused Naruto
It makes you think about how good of a writer Kishimoto is. He created such a detailed world that we were able to see through the propaganda of the main storyline with all thr extra details provided. There's a reason he says his favorite character is Sasuke.
@@AdeolaBabatunde96 Based on a video I watched, it seems Kishi was heavily influenced by ww2.
Yes the funny thing is that it felt like sasuke was scolding the kages for thier mistakes and not taking responsibility for their actions when he brought them back to life when he asked them questions like hashirama give the five vliages talid beast that can destroy the world and created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent at thier jobs it's safe to say that hokage thinking and will of fire isn't something to proud of this is why sasuke is my favorite character because he thinks he askes questions and comes up with his own answers nagato and sasuke are best character in naruto because they show us the hypocrisy of the hidden leaf village
You’re so right. I love how Naruto captures real life issues which makes it so deep.
you really look into this. I really enjoy your analysis videos
Thank you 🙌
Man I really like this intro... sends me into a different, calm place lol
lol. I slowed down the ost for copyright issues, but Im glad it's had a calming effect
naruto is a sellout, from the onset of the show his goal was simply to become the hokage not to fix the leaf
You can't "fix the leaf" unless you take on the governing stance of it. Naruto changed many things as Hokage it doesn't mean the world will become an easier place to live in.
It's a kid's dream, btw.
sub'ed, good stuff
The older generation is like ours and the modern one is kinda like ours they are great fictional examples of the real world
Short anwser : YES.
I would argue Danzo was evil but everyone else was trying to do the best they could with a shitty situation. Hashirama was more or less a good man but Tobirama was a racist fr, Hiruzen had his faults (a lot of them) but he wasn't that bad either, Minato was easily the best Hokage they had up until then, and considering she never wanted it originally I'd say Tsunade did very well for herself as Hokage.
And then you have the whole situation with Sasuke who was (rightfully) pissed off at the leaf after finding out that they made his brother kill his entire clan, take the blame for it, and then go work with a terrorist organization as a mole. Obviously he wasn't right in actually trying to take revenge against Konoha but the fact that he was angry enough to do it anyway makes perfect sense, remember that this realization is what awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan. This mans whole world and belief system was revealed to be completely false and his own home country was responsible for everything, I'd be pissed off too if I were him.
Danzo AND those 2 elders too if you ask me. They were kinda like 2 old turds that Danzo used whenever he was plotting something. It just goes to show what the students of the 2nd Hokage turned out like. I guess Kagami, Hiruzen and maybe Torifu? turned out fine.
Yes I think a lot of them were trying to make the best of a messy situation, and Sasuke had every right to be upset with the Leaf. His actions are the reaction to the Uchiha clan massacre, by the lone survivor. But yes, many of the Hokage were well intentioned,
I love the 1st, 4th to 6th Hokage, but still there's only so much that the Hokage could do when it comes to peace & fairness for all. Thats why Naruto what's needed. Someones that's able to be everywhere at once and take on all the hatred by himself
@JuubiTaz Well I feel like Naruto was needed because he needed to remind the world how to be empathetic again and not always assume the worst in everyone and everything. Assuming the worst in everyone is how you get Madara, the Uchiha massacre, and Garaa pre redemption.
Not just sasuke you also have nagato and kabuto who also hated the hidden leaf village
Better question would be:
Is any of the Shinobi Villages good?
the answers probably no
None are, they are all variably evil to an extent.
You forgot about the hyuga clan slavery and curse mark on thier for head
yeah thats a good one too
@JuubiTaz Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative I want to know your opinion what do think of this contradiction
@JuubiTaz what do think
@ Im making a video on the shinobi clans so I'll touch on the Hyuga clan then. It is pretty messed up tho no wonder Neji hated the main branch.
@JuubiTaz Itachi Uchiha put the village before his own family and friends. He slaughtered his mother, his father, elders, youngsters... But he was praised as a true shinobi by Hashirama and Naruto themselves. The orders he was forced to obey were never questioned or labeled as completely wrong. Itachi Uchiha was the embodiment of what a true shinobi is supposed to be... and, according to the narrative, this is a good thing.
Sakumo Hatake put his friends before his village. He disobeyed his orders, he screwed up his mission, because he couldn't endure the possibility of losing his friends. Then, when he fell into disgrace following the severe consequences of his actions, he couldn't endure the shame he brought on himself, so he committed suicide, leaving his very young son all alone.
However, after his experience with Obito, Kakashi re-valuated his father's feelings and fully embrace what he and Obito believed in, that those who discard their friends are worse then those who disobey their orders. Sakumo's cowardly suicide was never addressed, and apparently he wasn't even remembered in history as a disgraceful shinobi, quite the contrary his legacy is still respected, if we take into account that, when Shikaku proposed Kakashi as the Hokage substitute, the Damiyo immediately thought that being the son of Sakumo, the White Fang, as a good credential.
Sooo... at the end of the manga it seems that both Itachi Uchiha and Sakumo Hatake were praised and remembered as role models despite being the opposite of each other.
Itachi was able to endure, Sakumo wasn't, but both their beliefs are regarder as right and positive.
Is this contrast a contradiction of the narrative what do think of this contradiction
15:13 they’re still alive in Boruto? They both gotta be over 100 at this point. Actually no that’s definitely not accurate, more like over 70.
16:09 it wasn’t a montage, that’s when music plays and it flips through different scenes with no words. What Pain was doing was a monologue. There are a lot of confusing English words so I don’t fault you for that.
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They should be as old as Hiruzen was in part 1 + 16 years, so I'd say they're at least 85-90ish
Yeah I mixed up both words, lets just call that a brain-fart.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Whole clan shunned their strongest member 💀
and then they'd get exterminated by the village they shunned him for
All of the villages are evil. They had a short time were they were good, Mostly because of evil alien invaders. They became evil during Boruto. And with Naruto gone they are right back to digging their own graves.
Who determined the coup would cause widespread war? It seems like the source of that "knowledge" was Danzo...who had a reason to reach that conclusion.
I disagree on the difference between Naruto and Shippuden, though. From the first issue, the theme was established. Children were indoctrinated into the ninja way to be tools.
I mean, Itachi, the Elders & Obito all believed that the Uchiha coup wouldve led to greater disasters for the Leaf, but I believe the could've negotiated with the Uchiha if Danzo wasn't such a bad faith actor
It isn't necessary all good either.
exactly
First golden comment I've seen. It's morally gray. People do as people will do, but they strive to be better and learn from others. The points of the show are forgiveness and never giving up.
Shinobi village wouldn't happen if zetsu didn't encourage indra in creating ninjutsu which use for war his responsible for all the conflict with great power come great responsibility
Damn, I was thinking about something like this as well too: "Did the Shadowkage System work or was it flawed and/or doomed from the start?"
it was kinda doomed from the start (for some at least)
- What do you think would happen if Madara became first hokage? I would say Konoha would become an Uchiha lead aristocracy and monarchic dictatorship under Madara. The alternative was much worse. Tobirama had the Senju clan disbanded so this wouldn't happen.
- The Uchiha clan's doom is more on Madara's hands than Tobirama. The Uchiha clan betrayed Madara to side with the Senju with the election of Hashirama. Madara hated the Uchiha clan more than Tobirama ever did.
- It doesn't make sense that the police force would be seen as criminals and later labeled victims after the massacre. The Uchiha clan was liked by the ninja at large and thats why it all was covered up. If the government was honest about what happened there would be unrest. Anyone with common sense would appreciate the police for what they do to protect their nation. And from the looks of it the Uchiha police force was not oppressive.
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It’s funny how people call him a racist toward the Uchia when at most he was just overly cautious of them because of their power and his prior history with them
He took on an uchia student which a racist wouldn’t. Just because he devised all these Jusus doesn’t mean he was racist against the uchia. Just because they were sent to a secluded area to house doesn’t make him a racist as he was just overly cautious because of war and Madara and also the hidden leaf still liked them
Hey you’d be weary of them to if you had to constantly fight them as a child where they killed your youngest brother and then you’re elderly brother trusted Madara who then went crazy destroying not just the leaf but also other uchia
Call me racist for liking him but I don’t care.
You making a big issue about nothing nobody cares about you liking him
Calling sasuke emo crybaby is ignorant and straight up shade.
Yeah. I use the most common criticisms or insults of the character in the thumbnails of my 'Why Do People HATE" video. I personally dont think Sasuke's an emo crybaby
Sasuke is actually the best and most realistic character in naruto
13:09 there's a doubt there.
Danzo didn't able collect Uchiha eyes. Obito did took all of them.
Danzo's eyes which doesn't looks like human eyes are speculated to be fake eyes from Shin's clone ability. Since the arm is also belongs to him.
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I always believed that Danzo took a few eyes & Obito took the rest. When Danzo fought Sasuke, he said something along the lines of "it was thanks to itachi that I got all these eyes" so that implies that he either got it from the Uchiha or he was just toying with Sasuke
Before I even start the video. Yes they are! Imagine having a whole torture unit specialized in torture and interrogation. And a full grown mam who dedicated his whole life as a shinobi to torture techniques and inventing torture jutsus. While you already have the Yamanaka clan who can extract information out of anybody without torture.
yeah thats a good point, I mean even the Edo Tensei is a pretty messed up jutsu
Madrara was right end 33 proves he was also right about how the uchiha will be killed by the hidden leaf village in the future
Unless the police force itself was corrupted and abusing their power, I don’t see why the villagers would resent them and associate negative connotations. If you’re a villager and you commit a crime and get caught by the police force, then that’s on you.
The village itself may not be evil, but there are Shinobi inside the village that are evil.
😐 who exactly that isn't Danzo or an Uchiha?
Edit: I just remembered that Mizuki is a thing, and they have jail for a reason 😃 anyway you're right. My bad.
@@jasontoddler7680Orochimaru, in a way Hiruzen for allowing the Uchiha clan to be murked. You could also say Tobirama for segregating the Uchiha. The Raikage sent his people to kidnap Kushina as a kid for power. Onoki funded the Akatsuki. The Kazekage hired assassins to kill his son and formed an alliance with Orochimaru to take out the leaf village. The hidden mist is literally nicknamed “The bloody mist” because of its corruption.
@@polartang250 We're talking about the Leaf Village, not the entire Shinobi world. Also, everyone knows Orochimaru is evil, he don't count. Hiruzen didn't let the Uchiha get murked. He wanted to come up with a solution, but Danzo went behind his back and did what he did best. Tobirama watched a single Uchiha almost destroy an entire alliance. And the same clan took out his siblings. He was cautious and traumatized, not evil.
@@jasontoddler7680 “The village itself may not be evil, but there are shinobi inside the village that are evil” and then you responded with “Who exactly that isn’t Danzo or an Uchiha evil?” And I responded and now you’re saying “that doesn’t count” or “We’re not talking about that” when the other guy clearly was
@@jasontoddler7680 sounds like you’re trying to justify Tobirama’s actions. Maybe it wasn’t his intention, but his actions did lead to the discrimination & segregation of the Uchiha clan. His actions also lead to the rise of Danzo & the oligarchs of Konoha
fire video
You didn't even watch it.😭
@@TheProphetLot he could sense how fire the vid was without watching it
@ Facts
Hell yeah it is from a certain point 👉 of view 😂😆🤔🤭
No wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village because they ruined thier life's
Dude yes I was just thinking like wow why do so many people want to protect the village when it’s no better than any other village. There all self interested shady organizations but Naruto and friends really think there somehow morally superior
its probably the indoctrination
@@JuubiTaz No, they literally live there. When you have love for your birth place like Yahiko, you don't want to erase or hate it. You learn to embrace and change it.
@ well at least Yahiko called Hanzo out on his failures in Amegakure
Great video👍 what man fears will become what man hate
It's always grey and that's the theme
When sasuke or pain destroy konoha 👉evil
When konoha destroy rain 👉necessary
When konoha g*nocide uchiha by itachi (child soldier)👉hero
yeah its good that Pain exposed the hypocrisy of the village
@@ogata100nosuke It is grey. However, Konoha did not destroy the rain if you're referring to the war. It was all 5 great nations using the rain as their battleground.
@jasontoddler7680 bro every village destroy the rain, konoha should be acceptable as well , war crimes is war crime, fact is fact
Yes the leaf village evil
basically
When you mean oligarchs you mean daimyo their the one that fund the ninja village instead just recruiting talented ninjas into their army he decided it good idea to micronation that encourage child soldiers
@@CARLWINARDCHOY yeah ur right, didn't even think of the Daimyo but he's the one on top
All villages in Naruto worked the same. Lots of gray with some evil mixed in.
Yeah exactly!
Interesting video, I enjoyed its mature themes from nationalism to authoritarianism.
Short answer yes
nice video, what was the background music at 11:49?
That's Kimimaro's theme
Yes every village is evil that was the point, whether the founders meant for the village to become the way it did is irrelevant, because they still knew what they were doing
the Shinobi world is all about might makes right
I feel like konoha is like the germany
Jews= uchihas
Hokage is basically a dictator
@@lordrsw9098 kohona is the US and Uchiha are the Irish
I think this comparison can be made to a lot of past events
I think uchiha are black people being descrmnited and racist against them all thanks to tobirama teaching
@@dytgyfgyffuh243lol this is pretty accurate, but the problems stem from the Uchiha being seen as dangerous and feared because of their unrivaled power.
bro please im begging u get a new microphone edit great video though
Danzo is evil, no doubt
I think you meant "during Pain's monologue." a montage is a collection of pictures
lol yeah you're right, lets just call it a brain fart
What is Tobirama doing in thumbnai?
idk cuz he's relevant to the topic discussed in the video?
@JuubiTaz The video is called "Is the Leaf Village Evil?" so it would be like you think Tobirama is evil which doesn't make any sense
@@hokagerealm calling Tobirama evil would be oversimplifying his character. He's definitely complex but he did have a bit of an extremist stance on the Uchiha, even if you think it was justified, and he indirectly lead Danzo & the elder council. I felt he was relevant enough in his contributions to the village to be included in the thumbnail. Once again, I dont think he's to blame for all that, but he did play a part in the grand scheme.
The characters in the thumbnail are supposed to represent the different time period & the conflicting parties then (Madara & Tobirama) (Sasuke & Danzo)
There is no such thing as an 'evil' state. Geopolitics is a might makes right/anything goes environment. The strongest makes the rules on morality.
thats kinda how the world has always operated
@@JuubiTaz Yes and in Naruto as well. Peace and advancement was brought about because Naruto and Sasuke maintained it through their might and through collaboration with many other states, the other shinobi villages and the samurai.
not necessarily.just goes to show how nations go, making great sacrifices & committing sins for the greater good of your specific ppl.Cant act like the other villages were any nicer,the only one u can really feel kinda bad for is the sand & the rain nd they still got their hands dirty with orochimaru/pain.
I'd say the answer depends on who you're asking
Also the mist because madara basically manipulate them which cause obito to brainwash yagura for revenge
@ the mist are the ones that tried to send the three tails in a little girl,nd sadly got witnessed by OBITO….so nah they deserved it.was it alil excessive?yeah but im pretty sure obito in his heart felt way worse than the actual pain he could inflict on the mist(besides wiping them out entirely)
@@CARLWINARDCHOY i stand corrected after refreshing memory,yeah throw them in there but honestly Kiri was always on some weird shi ever since the first kage.They suffer governmental instability the worst so it’s honestly not surprising they got controlled for almost 15+ yrs
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In the manga, it was later revealed that it was Madara who put the mist up to the isobu idea.
Yes the village is definitely evil 💯
I do think so. The third homage just make mistakes.
Yes the leaf village was evil all of the most powerful and threatening ninja came from the leaf the way they treated Naruto and branch hyuga and sakumo and the unchia clan was evil
basically
Juubitaz I have a question
shoot
@JuubiTaz are kages evil or incompetent when sasuke brought them back to life when he asked them questions about the shnobi system hashirama he give tailed beast that can destroy the world to other villages and he created the jinchuriki system that caused people like naruto and gaara to suffer tobirama created the zombie jutsu that requires human sacrifice that was used by kabuto in 4 war and being racist towards the uchiha and hiruzen not taking care of naruto and let the uchiha massacre happen under his watch and he let danzo do whatever he wanted and caused many problems even minato wasn't able to recognize that the mask man was obito his student and he sacrifice naruto childhood and made him jinchuriki love how sasuke calls the kages for thier bullshit and hypocrisy and incompetent my question is do think that kishimoto wrote the kages to be hypocrites and incompetent on purpose so that sasuke revolution is right
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 I think it was a bit of both tbh. Hashirama was a good leader, but he was also too idealistic & believed that everyone could just get along & act as a collective, Tobirama took a more hardline nationalist approach & a might makes right military attitude, Hiruzen admitted that he was incompetent but he also didn't change a lot about the harsh nationalist values that Tobirama engrained into the village.
@@JuubiTazOut of many youtubers that take a somewhat negative tone on Naruto, you at least seem to understand the show and juge things fairly. I shall continue to watch your videos.
Itachi did nothing wrong, he made Konoha great again.
Tobirama, that you?
Lol Itachi did what he could. There wasn't really any other decision except to let all out war and the Leafs destruction begin. Maybe he could've used Kotoamatsukami since he had Shisui's eye, though.
Danzo spotted.....
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yes, it is.
Nationalism
Tobirama himself said that 1st Hokage should be chosen by voting. And its the best thing to do. He himself said "Selecting Madara for the leader is fine but the decision should come by asking all people in the village". He also developed Reanimation jutsu so he can send zombies instead of his own people to battlefield. The Uchiha Police Force was great thing too. Uchiha wanted power, he gave them power. Plus he had his own Uchiha subordinate Kagami Uchiha. Tobirama did put always village in the first place and that's how every great leader does. Tobirama also said "No matter what clan someone belonged to, if someone did something against the village I acted with extreme caution and there's no doubt that the Uchiha just happened to be a clan that warned my suspicions." "No clan feels deeper love than the Uchiha and that's why they supresed and sealed it away. When the Uchiha runs in agony or in a disappointment in themselves, the unique chakra is released in their brain changing the appear in that person's eye. This phenomenon is called the sharingan, eyes that reflect the heart. Although it's a bit problematic, there is a high risk of losing control". So Tobirama only feared that if someone becomes another Madara it would be dangerous for the village. He didn't hated them, he didn't liked their emotional problems due to sharingan that can be dangerous for the village. By the way Tobirama is also the first Kage ever to form an alliance with other country The Cloud Village. But he and 2nd Raikage were Ambushed by Kinkaku and Ginkaku and it resulted in both kage's deaths. For me Tobirama is definitely the best Hokage. His leadership was awesome and he won in every battle except his last one.
I fee this is very biased.
Madara betrayed the village because he tought he might be undermined in the future, he created the circumstances for people not to trust the uchiha.
Aftert that, the uchiha choose to remain separated from the village, just like the hyuga, they want a compound to themselves while living inside a walled city, of course qhen it expands its gonna be further away.
Also, there are a lot of clans in the foinding of konoha, most of them didn't have a hokage either, and none of them were the police force
So madara betrayed the village, the uchiha separated themselves, an uchiha was behind the 9 tails attack, and they staged a coup became se talking seemed like it wouldn't work, so they didnt tried.
The children were innocent, but the clan did wverything to make the situation worse.
the Uchiha remained loyal to the leaf even after Madara, they literally impeached him! I doubt there would have been a coup if they were more involved in administrative jobs.
The Uchiha didn't want to be separated from the village, it was tobirama who pushed the clan to the outskirts, as a compensation he granted a certain degree of autonomy in governance for that clan
Not just the uchiha many people life were ruined by the hidden leaf village naruto kakashi father nagato and kabuto no wonder every villain hates the hidden leaf village they are not the good guys
how is this "biased" ? Madara left after seeing no future in Konoha, even Hashirama was disappointed with how his brother was handling the clan & Madara.
@JuubiTaz madara's plan to bring peace was to declare war on everybody and dominate the continent, that's not peace, it's domination, when Hashirama wouldn't do that he fled the village, tried to kill him and when he failed, started on his plan of "everyone goes to sleep", which again, robs everyone of any choice other the ones he makes, again, domination, not peace
Yes, just like america
So the thing is is adding a western viewpoint to the violence that the leaf village used that's an incorrect way to do an analysis because they're warriors their whole purpose is to kill. When you're at war you don't think about others you only think about how you can slaughter your enemy and as it should be because you win the war with pure destructive power you don't win a war with giving hugs. The Shinobi world was at war at the time of the Uchiha massacre. So you don't use The view that they deserve human rights their warriors they have one job to slaughter the enemies foreign and domestic.
You're wrong. Tobirama used the Uchiha as the police because the sharingan can stop crimes without violence with genjustu. He didn't fear the Uchiha, he understood them.
Tobirama didn't make all of the policies that made konoha a warring power. Did he put the Uchiha on notice treat them differently yes, but on the other hand when you look at what the Uchiha are capable of you always have to assume that they're going to be dangerous because they're mentally unstable due to the power of the Sharingan. He did what he needed to protect the others when it comes to small minorities they mean nothing in the big picture. small groups don't outweigh the importance of only looking at the large amount of people because the whole purpose of a village stayed a country is to serve the majority of people not the small amounts of people because they mean absolutely and utterly nothing to the system. You want to ensure that the majority of people are doing what they can to better society not small weak or dangerous people. Tobirama ensure the village would survive by making them ruthless combat Powers which in a ninja State like konoha and the world of the shinobi's then ya tobirama did his job and ensuring that the village survived do you have to do evil things to ensure you survive absolutely. The issue with a lot of the comments here is that you're looking at this from a western way of thinking and it's stupid because when everything hits the fan if you don't think like tobirama does you are a dead human being as the issue that's going to arise you're going to have to do horrible things to keep yourself alive. the American people especially have forgotten what hardship and war-torn countries is like because we're so far disconnected from everything we live in our own little world the rest of the world is not pleasant and it was never meant to be.
No one's saying Tobirama was acting irrationally, we all understand he was trying to protect the village from what he perceived as threats & thats justifiable, but you also can't deny the consequences of his actions & the harm it cause in the future. I see Tobirama as a complex character, not as deranged as Madara or as evil as Danzo but he's still somwhere on the morality scale
@JuubiTaz so you take is very reasonable people I've been talking to none this thread as much by other places have a much more ridiculous over the top view on Tobirama.
Tobirama did not fear the uchiha tho. He just hated them and their demonic eyes that got stronger thru hatred. Tobirama did nothing wrong
I think it's the opposite. He feared them but didn't hate them. He understood that their eyes cause so much pain and power that they could turn on the village in a second and do disastrous things like Obito did.