I appreciate your fervent testimony regarding the Book of Daniel, Isaiah. etc. However, to be objectively honest. Isaiah's prophecy about Cyrus is not an objective prophecy.. Since a text is objectively as old as the earliest manuscript it found on.. That puts' Isaiah to the 2nd Century BCE (Dead Sea Scrolls).. many centuries after Cyrus. Now you can BELIEVE that Isaiah was written before the events it purports to have prophesied about.. but there is not actual proof such is true. And even if you believe there was an Isaiah before Daniel, the prophecy you cite was in what scholars call Deutero-Isaiah (2nd Isaiah) with chapters 1-39 being "first Isaiah" and those chapters 40-on being written by someone different.. and someone later edited the text together.. Because the writing style and themes make a abrupt change in chapter 40.. signifying it's written by someone else.. someone who lived AFTER Cyrus. A small lesson on 2 Tim 3:15-16.. All Scripture? What exactly is "All scripture"? it depends on who you talk to, no? At the time 2 Tim was written, the NT wasn't in existence, especially if you believe Paul wrote 2 Tim.. And furthermore, what writings were considered scripture is not exactly clear. The Canon of the OT you have in your Bible come to us after 2 Tim was written. So clearly the writer of 2 Tim wasn't referring to the Bible as you know it, but some other collection of writings. Possibly containing texts of Gnostics and others not found in your Bible. And what of Scripture of people outside the Biblical area.. Buddhists have "Scriptures", Muslims have "Scriptures".. These would fall into the express category of *ALL* scripture wouldn't it? It's also instructive to note that 2 Tim wasn't actually written by Paul.. but by someone pretending to be Paul.. so even looking to it as scripture it starts out with a lie by purporting to be from Paul. And Lastly, the passage only tells us that scripture is "inspired", but actually the Greek word behind "inspired" is a unique and ambiguous meaning.. It's literal translation is "God breathed'.. but what that means is subjective to interpretation.. Some think it means inspired, but a more historical contextual interpretation suggests "life giving" , just as God breathed life in to Adam, the scripture are life giving. The reason I share this with you is in hope to inspire you to seek a testimony based upon Spiritual witness from God.. and not basing it on subjective interpretation of the Bible. For the latter is like building your house on a the sand.. when the storms come, the sand will wash a way and your testimony with it. Is it not wisdom that you instead seek to receive the testimony from God directly , just as Peter did. As it was written, that when queried by Jesus.. Jesus said, blessed are you … For flesh and blood did not reveal it to him, but his father in heaven.. And upon this rock (Receiving Testimony from God directly) Jesus would go to build his church (Community of followers) Do you see what I'm getting at? Your professed testimony here that you are sharing with others to inspire them to be believers too.. is based upon a highly subjective interpretation of scripture.. not something that can be objectively proven.. Wouldn't it be better to simply to appeal to God directly in prayer for the answers instead of relying , not dismissing, but relying upon a subjective interpretation of texts?
Thank you for sharing. When we look at the rest of the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation, how did Daniel and John know so many details of the future unless there is a God who communicated with them?
@@ThreeAngelsOnline what exactly do you think Daniel or John know about the future that can be objectively attributed to prophetic knowledge and not be attributed to more down to earth circumstances of their day? For instance, Daniel is a text objectively written in the 2nd Century BCE, telling a story in a setting of 6th century BCE. That's not a miracle.. People living in the 2nd century BCE.. had memories of the 6th century BCE past on. So it's easy for a 2nd century writer to craft a story to fit some of those memories and make it seem as prophetic miracle occurred. Revelation is attributed to John, living on Patmos in late 1st century, but objectively the earliest text we have is more like 3rd century. Revelation for sure is full of imagery that can be interpreted in all kinds of ways.. including conditions that existed in John's day.. not the future. So what of these do you feel are objectively provable prophecies of the future? When I say objectively provable.. I mean the text must objectively exist before said prophetic event happened, and the prophecy can't be ambiguous. Meaning it needs to be explicit with no room for alternative interpretation. Then the fulfilment must be objective, with non-biased sources for confirmation.
@oceancoast92657 in symbolic vision, Daniel foretold when Christ would appear (Daniel 9), and he foretold the rise and fall of Christianity in the Dark Ages. He saw the breakup of Rome into the nations of Europe. John predicted the Dark Ages when he saw the woman (God's people) flee into the wilderness after the Son (Jesus) was taken up to heaven (Revelation 12). There are many more. These preachers explain it well: ruclips.net/video/2_JltglYWoE/видео.htmlsi=9rC7g9eqN4qs_HQg ruclips.net/video/eK8B7O6gudA/видео.htmlsi=XvEQz1sU9ap1ChMI
I appreciate your fervent testimony regarding the Book of Daniel, Isaiah. etc. However, to be objectively honest. Isaiah's prophecy about Cyrus is not an objective prophecy.. Since a text is objectively as old as the earliest manuscript it found on.. That puts' Isaiah to the 2nd Century BCE (Dead Sea Scrolls).. many centuries after Cyrus. Now you can BELIEVE that Isaiah was written before the events it purports to have prophesied about.. but there is not actual proof such is true. And even if you believe there was an Isaiah before Daniel, the prophecy you cite was in what scholars call Deutero-Isaiah (2nd Isaiah) with chapters 1-39 being "first Isaiah" and those chapters 40-on being written by someone different.. and someone later edited the text together.. Because the writing style and themes make a abrupt change in chapter 40.. signifying it's written by someone else.. someone who lived AFTER Cyrus.
A small lesson on 2 Tim 3:15-16.. All Scripture? What exactly is "All scripture"? it depends on who you talk to, no? At the time 2 Tim was written, the NT wasn't in existence, especially if you believe Paul wrote 2 Tim.. And furthermore, what writings were considered scripture is not exactly clear. The Canon of the OT you have in your Bible come to us after 2 Tim was written. So clearly the writer of 2 Tim wasn't referring to the Bible as you know it, but some other collection of writings. Possibly containing texts of Gnostics and others not found in your Bible. And what of Scripture of people outside the Biblical area.. Buddhists have "Scriptures", Muslims have "Scriptures".. These would fall into the express category of *ALL* scripture wouldn't it?
It's also instructive to note that 2 Tim wasn't actually written by Paul.. but by someone pretending to be Paul.. so even looking to it as scripture it starts out with a lie by purporting to be from Paul.
And Lastly, the passage only tells us that scripture is "inspired", but actually the Greek word behind "inspired" is a unique and ambiguous meaning.. It's literal translation is "God breathed'.. but what that means is subjective to interpretation.. Some think it means inspired, but a more historical contextual interpretation suggests "life giving" , just as God breathed life in to Adam, the scripture are life giving.
The reason I share this with you is in hope to inspire you to seek a testimony based upon Spiritual witness from God.. and not basing it on subjective interpretation of the Bible. For the latter is like building your house on a the sand.. when the storms come, the sand will wash a way and your testimony with it. Is it not wisdom that you instead seek to receive the testimony from God directly , just as Peter did. As it was written, that when queried by Jesus.. Jesus said, blessed are you … For flesh and blood did not reveal it to him, but his father in heaven.. And upon this rock (Receiving Testimony from God directly) Jesus would go to build his church (Community of followers)
Do you see what I'm getting at? Your professed testimony here that you are sharing with others to inspire them to be believers too.. is based upon a highly subjective interpretation of scripture.. not something that can be objectively proven.. Wouldn't it be better to simply to appeal to God directly in prayer for the answers instead of relying , not dismissing, but relying upon a subjective interpretation of texts?
Thank you for sharing. When we look at the rest of the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation, how did Daniel and John know so many details of the future unless there is a God who communicated with them?
@@ThreeAngelsOnline what exactly do you think Daniel or John know about the future that can be objectively attributed to prophetic knowledge and not be attributed to more down to earth circumstances of their day? For instance, Daniel is a text objectively written in the 2nd Century BCE, telling a story in a setting of 6th century BCE. That's not a miracle.. People living in the 2nd century BCE.. had memories of the 6th century BCE past on. So it's easy for a 2nd century writer to craft a story to fit some of those memories and make it seem as prophetic miracle occurred.
Revelation is attributed to John, living on Patmos in late 1st century, but objectively the earliest text we have is more like 3rd century. Revelation for sure is full of imagery that can be interpreted in all kinds of ways.. including conditions that existed in John's day.. not the future.
So what of these do you feel are objectively provable prophecies of the future?
When I say objectively provable.. I mean the text must objectively exist before said prophetic event happened, and the prophecy can't be ambiguous. Meaning it needs to be explicit with no room for alternative interpretation. Then the fulfilment must be objective, with non-biased sources for confirmation.
@oceancoast92657 in symbolic vision, Daniel foretold when Christ would appear (Daniel 9), and he foretold the rise and fall of Christianity in the Dark Ages. He saw the breakup of Rome into the nations of Europe.
John predicted the Dark Ages when he saw the woman (God's people) flee into the wilderness after the Son (Jesus) was taken up to heaven (Revelation 12).
There are many more. These preachers explain it well:
ruclips.net/video/2_JltglYWoE/видео.htmlsi=9rC7g9eqN4qs_HQg
ruclips.net/video/eK8B7O6gudA/видео.htmlsi=XvEQz1sU9ap1ChMI