wHy DoN'T CaRS uSE V4 EnGINEs ANyMoRE?
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- wHy DoN'T CaRS uSE V4 EnGINEs ANyMoRE? Why Do Modern Cars use Inline 4 Engines instead of V4 Engines? Turns out, we did use V4 Engines in the past, but the added complexity and cost, wasn't worth the small gain in compact dimensions, as cars don't really struggle with Engine Bay Space. As for Motorcycles, the Compact nature of the V4, has made it a popular choice that stood the test of time! So fear not V4 Lovers! They won't be going extinct any time soon!
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Ah so you're saying i should Ducati swap my little 4cylinder car, got it!
_precisely_
@@BladedAngel thanks for the pin✌🏼
V4 swap the econoboxes!!!!!!!!!
It's been done. But it was a Hayabusa and a smart car.
Kei cars respond really well to this actually
The last modern car with a V4 was the Porsche 919. It was a race car, but it's the only real modern example we have sadly. It did very well though
Damn, it’s honestly a sick car, but I definitely get why they don’t really make V4s over inline-4s anymore
@StealthFoxx_ You should rewatch the video but here's the simple reason: it doesn't make any sense economically in a car. Motorcycles companies still produce V4s for various models because obviously they way smaller then something like a civic, so it make sense for them to spend more to crame a V4
First car that comes to my mind is the Saab Sonett, very cool car.
There are even turbo builds of that V4 here on youtube, pushing 150-200hp
V-4:rs vibrates less than a straight 4!
@@dro3mhe agreed with OP.. why did you tell him to rewatch the video?
"They're not extinct"
V8: "whoa what are you doing with that chainsaw?"
Lmaoooo
EPA Regulations be like: _V8's-V12's your time has come_
frrrrrrr @@BladedAngel
The Stihl crate motor would be wild though.
Some 2.4 or 3.6l Frankenstein two stroke v8 would be nutty
@@BladedAngelidk car companies can still do them though ik some of them make it so only 4 cylinders are used but all 8 can be used too if you really step on it or turn on sport mode
Apologies for the Reupload, it had a weird "Checking" infinite loop. Thanks for understanding!
average youtube algae of rhythm moment
Although on production cars the V4's aren't really used anymore, on the competition side of things the V4 hybrid engine of the WEC Porsche 919 wrote a page on motorsport history. So, like Bladed said it was about building costs and surely not a performance issue
you beat me to the punch lol. I was about to say this
Higher costs and no real advantage over I4s
Pushrod v4 can be cheaper(less crank machining steps).
V engines is more suitable to use as chassi stress element too.
919 hybrid use v6 bro, 919 hybrid evo is v4
Lowkey these old magazines can be fire for art reference
Absolutely! I love having some on hand, (mostly for bikes or muscle cars though). I only have a few old Japanese ones, I think I used one in my pop-ups vid. I do have some Wangan Midnight Manga Volumes tho LOL
@@BladedAngel hell yeah bro old car magazines are hella sick also shows you like the culture behind cars at the time. I was just thinking poses for characters and seeing how the bands pose
It's a clip not a magazine!! (as in video clip)
@@dickjohnson9582 It’s funny cuz idk how this comment got posted on her lol. I actually tried to comment this on a video talking about old band magazines
I love old car Magazines. The road tests used to be so eloquently written, and a lot of attention was put on how a car handled.
A lot more focused on what matters than the modern obsession with gadgets.
I owned a SAAB 96 with a Ford industrial V-4. It was a wonderful car.
Me too! In college (2016) my roommate and I each had a '69 96! Mine eventually became a parts doner for his but I daily drove it for a few years
it was the German Ford V4 also used in the Taunus
There was an old rotted abandoned one we rode our BMX bikes past as 80s kids.
Dad had an 84 900 turbo so I was kinda interested in what came before his Saab.
Being there was no Internet back then ,dad was that and he told me it was a ford v4 when I described the engine. 😂
Industrial V4?
Most car specific V4s are either a Ford or Lancia designs anyways, no the SAAB 96 doesn’t count, that used the Ford Taunus V4
Ford would be stupid enough to go for this design in a car. Only makes sense on a motorcycle.
I have two saab V4s
On a plus note though, if you blow the v4 in your sub, the 2.8 and 2.9 l v6s will bolt right in and on the European models. They only had two exhaust ports in the head so they could share exhaust manifolds too
@@rocketpigrecords3719you ever looked at engine placement on an actual Saab? Like over a place an accessory belt
I remember doing a double take when my buddy told me his Saab had a V4... but thinking he was a car guy and should have known better.
Then I found out he was right! XD
Yt needs to sort all these bot comments damn, liked the short though
Reported them
I try my best to delete them, but they pop up so frequently these days X_X
I found something that might help this whole bot problem. Linus made a vid on ThioJoe's spammer purge program that might help
@@Kriss_gaming_hole Linus the tech tips guy/channel?
I hope RUclips would add a feature where you subscribe to the channel first to comment.
As an italian, I loved that you mentioned the legendary Lancia Fulvia coupé, winner of many rally. A great car that mustn't be forgotten!
Balancing wasn't the issue. Inline 6 is an inline eights are very balanced engines. It's just hard to shove an engine that's that long into an engine bay.
I would imagine a very hefty crank would be needed due to potential issues of flex on such a wide engine.
Right,this video does not explain why in line 6s have been phased out, they're not that long and were easily fit into subcompact bmws, in fact BMW inline 6s were renowned for their inherent smoothness and linear power, most people consider them Superior in every way than a v6, the only reason I can think of for the V6 taking precedence over the inline 6 is marketing, that people were more familiar with the terminology V8 and V6 and inline 6 may have seemed foreign somehow but if it is simpler more reliable and smoother, then BMW absolutely should reintroduce it as a feature of their marque to make it stand out again .
@@Jack_Stafford
BMW have a straight 6 in the M series.
Inline eight cylinders are not well balanced.
@@Jack_Staffordv6 can be mounted sideways straight 6 cant
Last V4 I ever heard about was the Saab Sonnet and Lancia Fulvia.
There’s also the ZAZ-968 Zaporozhets (ended production in 1994) and the Porsche 919 (2014)
The German Ford Taunus P4/P5/P6/P7 model ranges used V4 engines from 1962-71 in the 12M, 15M and 17M versions (different engine sizes 1.2, 1.5, and 1.7 litres). The 20M and 26M used V6 engines (although the V4 was more or less an identical design to the V6 but with two fewer cylinders).
The Saab V4 came from Ford, either as a 1.5 or 1.7 litre, originally fitted in the 96, then the Sonett, and later in the 99 (1.7 litre), until Saab finally developed their own 2 litre engine.
my older brother had a saab sonnet for abt a year beforebit completley gave up on us it was also turbod and convertible a nice green it felt so fast and smooth at same time thing was ahead of its time fr
I never even knew a V4 engine existed in cars. You learn something new every day.
I believe Lancia (an Italian car company) produced many V4 engines in the 60’s and 70’s
@@edombre4637 since the 20s, with various bank angles
Ford made lots of v4s for their first Transits and Taunus (18m I think). The same v4 from ford were used in the Saab 95 and 96
pretty sure one of the mini coopers uses a V4, and its surprisingly fast for being such a small engine compared to a normal V8
The ecoboost has a v4
As soon as I heard V4 my brain instantly went to motorcycle lol
Honda St1100 & 1300 motorcycles are legendary V4s - and their VFR series, too. Creamy wave of torque!
Yes si Honda VFR also had v-tec ..I had one ...the vfr is Japanese police interceptor
Yamaha V-Max too
Creamy wave of torque is a wild statement 😂
I have an 84 Honda Sabre VF1100 V65. It is an absolute monster. That's definitely a bike that I will never sell.
The Sabres were actually part of a sort of trio of V4 bikes- the Interceptor sport bikes (the VF predecessor to the VFR) and the Magna cruisers both shared several V4 engines with the Sabres.
The Magna (V30) and Interceptor even shared a little 500cc V4 engine.
I own a v4 and its also a 2 stroke it sounds absolutely amazing its a johnson 90 they have a choppy camshaft at idle but at full revs it sounds like a yamaha banshee il post a video in the replys if I can if not and your interested just look it up only the newer ones have the really aggressive camshaft though
Two-stroke boats sound very interesting. I have a Yamaha speedboat with a pair of Inline-3 two-strokes and it sounds almost like a V8.
If it's a two-stroke, it more than likely doesn't have a camshaft. There is little to no valve train on two-stroke engines, with very few notable exceptions.
It runs purely on timing and the ports on the sides of the cylinders.
Post it on your shorts
A 2 stroke with a choppy camshaft you say?
Idk what you're talking about with the camshafts on a 2 stroke. But yeah my dad has a Johnson 115hp v4 2stroke on his boat, I like the sound and its an interesting engine. Cheers
Also the extra torque from an inline plus it's smaller so a lighter rotating assembly allows it to rev higher allowing for decent HP from the inline torque
Doesn’t the v give more torque??
Usually inline engines are known for torque but I might be wrong regardless tho the higher rpm from it being lighter puts the torque it does have to work.
@@jvest6515depends on the stroke of the engine. Inline engine usually has long stroke compared to vee engines
@@fr3nzy651 all else being the same, inline engines are higher torque because of smoother power output. V engines can be made bigger for a given footprint hence why some people believe they're higher torque but that's not accounting for the displacement. This is why there's so many high torque or industrial diesels that are inline 6's.
This is all based on nothing. "Extra torque" and "smaller", are incorrect . "Lighter rotating assembly", may be true due to heavier counterweight, but ultimately pretty inconsequential. In fact, heavier crankshafts have been found to provide smoother, more consistent power at high speeds.
The Wikipedia article about the Straight Eight engine is pretty interesting. As this short touched on, they have inherent problems that make a V-pattern much more practical. But it would still be cool if a car company put out some luxury car with a modern straight 8.
Imagine how crazy a Ducati V4 swapped miata or Lotus Elan would be tho
It wouldnt. It would be the same. About 200 hp except a car weighs kore so. A bike engine will not like it
How to blow up an expensive Ducati engine:
1000cc would be anemic in a car. Might work in something tiny like a smart car, or an OG Mini.
Too much weight. What about something like a Fiat 600 or Citroën 2CV?
@@Xachremos
I wouldn't call it anemic, but it would certainly be peaky and take driver skill to keep it in the range where that kind of engine would overcome the weight of the chassis.
@@fernandoguzmanfernandez3466
It would still need heavy modification, removing as much weight as possible for a motorcycle engine to be in the least bit user friendly.
Bike engines are short piston stroke, high revving engines because they were designed to pull 200kg (average current gen superbike wet weight) + rider up to high speed very quickly, not lug a tonne of car + family of four + weekly shopping back from the supermarket.
Volvo V90 driver's watching this video:
what... my car doesn't have a V90 engine? 😨
drivers
"Almost no mass produced modern car uses the V4 anymore"
Try dropping the aomost. I don't think a production car has used a V4 engine since thr Ford Taunus ended production in 1981.
The ZAZ 968 (Zaparozhets) used a V4 until the end of its production (1994).
@@MREnzoHerbie Damn, I forget about soviet cars sometimes. That said, I'm not sure if I would call a car that ended production 30 years ago and was unchanged since the 60s a modern car.
@@zkiller195 Yes, maybe not. I just said because It was manufactured pratically at the same time Taunus.
What are you even talking about. V4 may not be as popular but there is at least 10 production cars that use it
@@TheOneSymphony Modern production cars? Name a few.
Subaru boxer is basically a flattened V4 and that is why a Scooby sounds awesome!
...but only with unequal-length headers! Put equals on and it sounds like a Civic! 😜😂🤣
180 degree V angle is optimal for 4 cylinder V engine.
2 rotations (720 degrees) divided by the number of cylinders.
V10s should have 72 degree V angle (for example).
No, it is not a flattened V4. Con rods do not share crankpins.
@@McBeamer94it still sounds good and better than inline 4 though. its not as obvious as the previous gen ej tho
@@boboiboy9350They sound shit
This video made me think about putting a l6 in a bike, imagine the speed 😂
The most modern bike an I6 is the BMW K1600. The best bike with an I6 is the Honda CBX1000. The sound the bike produces is similar to V10 F1 cars. There's lots of exhaust showcase videos on RUclips for the CBX.
@rjohns1995 just searched them up, they sound so beautiful. Lfa still sounds better tho 😂
@@THE_Game_Mental I love bikes that sound like that but I think cars are better with a deeper sound.
Honda produced a bike in the late 70s that had an inline 6. Insane machine. The CBX1050
While I'm not sure of Inline 6s, There already are 6-cylinder bikes. Honda makes Flat 6 Engines that sound kinda like Porsches. They're used in the Valkryie, Rune, and Goldwing and based on those names alone you can tell Honda Execs went thru a Norse Mythology phase!
My boss has a Taunus and that little 1,5 V4 runs so smooth
The real question to ask: "why not a VR4 engine?" They have the advantage of an inline 4 with a single cylinder head and block, but has separate exhaust banks for 2 cylinders giving them the muscle car sound
the sound comes more from the firing order than the layout, the Yamaha R6 has a cross-plane I4 giving it that deep rumbly sound that a lot of V8s have, while a ferrari V8 for instance is a flat-plane like most 4 cylinders, giving it a smoother higher pitch sound
@@bossplayerunit4563
Sidenote. R6 is not crossplane. It has traditional crank.
Only R1s are crossplane.
Probably because the cylinder head would get complicated real fast and VR6's by themselves are already pretty compact, so imagine making an even shorter longitudinal wise motor and you still have to fit all the valve train, I can kinda see it to be honest, but the head and the cylinder stagger is gonna be a weird issue to get around
The Lancia Fulvia 11-13° V4 is pretty much that.
As for VW, the VR5 and VR6 are small enough to fit in the engine bays that have to accommodate other I4 engines anyway.
My 1998 Honda Magna sounds like a big block v8
Someone tried to tell me that their Honda J-Series V6 was a DOHC because it has 2 cams. I said yes, that's technically true, however, it's a SOHC because it's one cam per head. He looked at me like I was telling him that we have 2 moons 😂
We do have two moons, the other one cycles every 500 years or maybe it's longer on cycle time
@@allgoodtoday829 never heard of that, but we do have ghost moons which are little clouds of debris and dust.
If I had a dollar for every Honda moron that tried to tell me the same fact 🙄
Some people are just stupid. Liking Hondas means you'll just meet more of them sadly. I own a few....
The i-6 is a naturally balanced engine with much lower vibration than a v-6. V-6's are more compact and can therefore more easily fit into a front wheel drive engine bay.
The LeMans winning Porsche 919 (both 919 LM Spec and 919 Evo) used V4 engine setting, which was quite surprising for me, the other car I remember using a V4 is the Lancia Fulvia from 1960
V4 would probably need balance shafts, right? I6's are inherently balanced so they don't need them but V6's do, because they're like 2 I3's running just 120° out of sync. So a V4 should also technically be 2 I2's running 180° out of sync, and I2s are aaaaaaaaaaaass to balance
depends. if the cylinders are angled at 90 degrees then it will actually be more balanced than an i4, but then it defeats the purpose of a v configuration, which is compactness, so most of them are angled at 60 degrees, and use counterweights on the crankshaft.
@@yimpyoi9808that's a different issue than the balance shafts, the balance shaft has to do with variable acceleration up and down in the cylinder, the bank angle in a v engine doesn't really change that harmonic imbalance. The counterweight on the crank is simply to counteract the mass of the piston and that CAN be affected by the angle between cylinder banks though.
@@platinumsky845 Yes bank angle affects it because you can always have one piston or counterweight compensating for another. There's many ways to play around with bank angle, firing order and crankshaft counterweights to address it. Honda even figured out you could add another cylinder to just one of the banks to make it nearly perfectly balanced.
Generally 90 degree V-twins are smooth enough not to need balancing shafts, and by extenion 90 degree V4s with shared crank pins which are just two V-twins stuck together. An engine doesn't need perfect balance to work, a certain level of imbalance is acceptable.
don't think of it as 2 I2's (front to rear) but as 2 90 degree V2's (side by side). so no balance shaft needed. oh and you can phase the crank throws however you like 180, 360, 270 and it's still balanced because of the primary 90 degree V angle between the 2 sets of pistons. welcome to the 3x MotoGP Championship (2023, 2022, and 2007) winning Ducati Desmosedici.
oh as yimpy mentions, the 60 Degree V2 put in Aprilia Motorcycles in the late 90's/early 2000's (made by Rotax in Austria) used a balancer. they then produced their own V4 starting in 2008/2009 which iirc was a 65 Degree V and i think it also used a balancer. both engines sound fantastic. Aprilia has since switched to 90 V4 for the top level Grand Prix Racer as of about 4 or 5 seasons ago, but i don't think this is used in any of their V4 kit sold to the public, as using compact "Narrow Angle V's" has always been a part of their brand identity.
I didnt even know that v4s existed in cars
I bought a boat recently with a early eighties evinrude 85 hp engine and it's a v4 oddly the next step up is an inline six. Both of them are well over 1000 hour engines and have lived most of their life on the muddy waters of Indiana. I have spent less maintaining them then I have with my previous 2005 Yamaha 250. Right now on my run about I have the seven marine 557 hp Cadillac v8 and it's the best motor I've owned. Right now I'm working on a bass boat with the evinrude g2 300 2017 and its so sad that evinrude and 7 marine r gone
Its not about balance, its about packaging - a V6 and V8 will generally package better than long I6 or I8s. I6s are inheritly balanced.
Right,this video does not explain why in line 6s have been phased out, they're not that long and were easily fit into subcompact bmws, in fact BMW inline 6s were renowned for their inherent smoothness and linear power, most people consider them Superior in every way than a v6, the only reason I can think of for the V6 taking precedence over the inline 6 is marketing, that people were more familiar with the terminology V8 and V6 and inline 6 may have seemed foreign somehow but if it is simpler more reliable and smoother, then BMW absolutely should reintroduce it as a feature of their marque to make it stand out again .
@@Jack_Stafford I promise you it's packaging. BMW really has to stuff them in longitudinally, but almost all their cars are rear drive based so they can make it work. You "can't" fit them transversely, and most automakers use that layout. So for 6cyl power, they make V6s, and most automakers repurpose those designs for their few rwd applications. Cheaper to design one engine family for both front drive and rear drive based models.
@@Jack_StaffordIt's a packaging problem. I6s are only used in prestige cars where the extra cost of packaging problems is worth it to sell a car with a perfectly balanced engine.
The V6 is not really a prestigious engine configuration. Most people would rather have an I6 given the choice.
I remember my boat had a brp 2 stroke engine v-4,was and is still really good but had to change to a bigger boat so now v6
Im not that late but someone tell me for a mustang v6 they could handle roughly about 500 hp before stuff breaks and engine block cant k reinforce it to make it be able to handle more power
What should someone tell you? Where is your question?
@@Makaya9s my question is if I reinforce a Mustangs V6 would it handle more power and is it a good idea and yes I'm asking is someone has some idea or experience about it no need for an argument
Building a V6 "muscle" car is a waste of money. You should have gone with the V8 model.
@@lepopcornnaisseur546 no I don't have it yet so I'll wait when I got more info then
@@Freedomtooffroad the cost to build the block should get you a V8 LS or maybe a coyote engine
I had this friend back in high school that had an old Corolla that went around telling everyone he had a v4. I would correct him and he would say “well that’s just what I call it” completely oblivious to the difference.
Only car nerds understand these distinctions haha
@@wiegraf9009 if you're telling people about it you should probably know what it actually is. That's like eating an orange and telling someone how good your apple tastes.
I worked with a Wisconsin v4 as a motor on a 6 inch feed grinder, loved that motor.
I4s are also known as a straight 4 or a 4-banger.
I only have 60 seconds bro, I call them 4-bangers in my actual "Guide to engines Video"
@@BladedAngel That’s fair.
Thanks Captain obvious.....LMAO How old are you ten with the trivia? What's next your gonna start randomly saying random shit like "VTEC yo" "Paul Walker" "R32" "2jz" bla bla bla?.........
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo Man, do you have anything better to do with your life than be overly hateful and start internet beef for no reason? I was just sharing alternative names for I4 engines and you come and start being rude. Maybe you need a crash course in how to be a civilized being?
I like that you are using the wangan midnight maximum tune entrance theme its very good to hear 😊😊
Nice short Blade. Always learn neat info from your content
My 5thgen V4 VFR has gears instead of a cam belt and a single sided swingarm way back when, still the most reliable in my collection and I have allsorts, cant over engineer anything like a Honda bike......👍👌👍
Honda have a long history with V4s in their bikes. They're legendary
I did not expect you to include a Honda Accord sedan in Singapore inside your video! Greetings from Singapore.
The last V4 I've seen were used in buggies. They were Small Block Chevy V8s, chopped the center 4 cylinders out. They were called Scat V4s cause Scat was the company who made the cranks and cams. This was before they made transaxles that could handle full size V8s. But now with modern transaxles, most buggies just go the LS route now
That was super informative! Thank you!
Title: “V14s don’t exist”
Me: “Why not?”
This guy: “why yes?”
inline 4s are my favourite engines. Not because theyre super shouty or something cause theyre simple and good enough. A naturally aspirated 2L i4 can power every small and lower mid range car while being affordable, relatively easy on the fuel consumption and decently balanced by default. Give them a turbo and build them a bit sturdier and you got a good engine for a hot hatch or even larger and heavier cars while still not breaking the bank and still offering good fuel economy if the driver wants it. An inline 4 diesel is often found in vans or people carriers. Theyre not the best at anything but they can do many things good enough. Theyre the choice for the everyday car and thats why I love them.
Some Audi q7s still use v4 engines but most people opt for v6s
Thank you for including the Lancia Fulvia.
Hearing “my car has a V4” makes my earwax crunch 😂
Had a honda vfr400 a little while ago. Amazing sounding bike with high rev limit and gear driven cams. Love the v4 although cooling the rear 2 cylinders seemed to be an issue
25:42 what about horseshoes? They can give a way to put on specific enchants solely for horse traversal, like frost walker, soul speed, and so forth.
They wouldnt provide armor, but maybe a slight speed and jump boost, 10-20% boost for both? And the boost gets better the higher up the tree you go, iron starts at 10%, gold 15%, diamond 20% and netherite 25%.
Along with new horseshoe and boots enchants that could give a boost to horse and player speed/jump height without the need for beacon or potions.
These enchants would def not work in current game, but with your anvil idea they could broaden the idea of a tanky build vs agile build that you brought up.
BEAUTIFUL Lancia Fulvia HF4 in this clip! (the red car, for all you who were denied being alive in those days). it's 1.6L V4 was a gem 💎
In a way, the Subaru (and old VW) engines are V-4s
But they're 180 degrees and thus called "flat-fours". In both cases, shortness and having the CG close to the transmission end was the main design priority.
Shoutout to subaru (and porche) for making one of the few remaining non-inline 4-cylinder engines for cars still.
I do kinda want to see a hyper compact sportster make use of a proper V4 at some point tho, and it might happen in an electric + generator configuration yet.
I would love a V4 configuration sub-compact car.
Thats just allows it to be much smaller with potentially higher performance. Imagine a 1:1 power to weight ratio on a sub-compact like a Yaris. Theres already the Koenigsegg One:1, but I want it in a grocery getter.
More power for the similar size of a 3-cylinder.
Very insightful video, I learned a lot from this😁
Inline 4's are also typically built undersquare (ie Longer Piston Stroke compared to Cylinder Bore) which generally makes them better in lower-RPM applications, most notably when cruising at low speeds or moving with slow traffic.
V4's generally have to be built _oversquare_ (wider Cylinder Bore compared to Piston Stroke) for packaging purposes as an undersquare V uses both more height and width simultaneously. While the width problem is not as bad as it is with Flat Engines (which have to be almost exclusively Oversquare to fit most chasses), Oversquare engines are by nature more high-strung in their rev-range making them less fuel efficient when puttering about at low revs.
I love the exhaust note on V4 bikes.
Don’t forget the boat motors. Every single two-stroke 4 cylinder outboard OMC/BRP made, from 1958 to ~2018, was a V4. They made millions of those things. You can probably find 10 on marketplace within 100 miles right now.
The German Ford Taunus V4 is definitely one legendary and iconic engine, and sired the Cologne V6 which in turn has one of the longest priduction runs of any engine ever. Its hard to beat the sound the Taunus V4 emanates.
"V4s are extinct"
Laughs in Ducati
In the UK Ford used them in the Transit van as space under the bonnet ( hood ) was limited, Saab also used the same engine in the 96. This was due to the fwd longitudinal engine layout.
My boss does have a V4 car. It's a Saab Sonnett 2 with the Ford Taunus derived V4. Incredibly cool little thing.
"Compactness and space is a lot more scarce on most motorcycles"
5000 IQ
I’m really enjoying your content especially the concise explicit explanations. Could you do one about how engineers at Honda and elsewhere seem to have figured out how to unfuck the torque steering problem of high power in FWD cars in the case of the current Type R and integra
Forgot about the slant 4s and 6s.
Thanks for not doing the rotating forever short format.
Thanks 👍👌
The old Lancias, Saabs and Fords sound so damn good with the V4.
Can't wait to get a inline 8 some day just take 2 inline 4s and connect the blocks to the side it can be done
I was taught to take the number of cylinders, divide 360 by that and that is the root angle. For instance, 4 cylinders= 90° so any configuration within 90° will balance. To further that it's why v6 engines don't balance as easily.
The v4 also is the strongest of V configuration since there's so much metal around the cylinder walls, I'd love for a company to go all out and make one with a modern gear driven Valve train
Never mentioning subaru or boxter. Nice. Explained explanation.
Damn some of these profile pictures
Those ass pics are usually bots, so just pay no mind to them.
Nice wmmt4 soundtrack dude!
I feel like a straight 4 is a lot less complicated than a v4, like the v4 would use more metal because of the space in between the pairs of cylinders and we should just be grateful they dont crowd the engine bays any more than they already do now
You are correct! The angle that V4s are typically run at also means they take up a lot of room in the engine bay.
I swear the Honda city from 2014 had a V4. That thing was a beast, amazing range in eco mode and great acceleration on regular mode. It was a sexy car, and it served its purpose well. Wonder where it is now
Morgan- "Hold my V2".
The background music is my childhood
Wow I actually was researching V4s like 2 weeks ago. That’s crazy.
V9 with 5 turbos with additional 2 spoon engines glued on and a Motec exhaust 👍
I prefer the term "0 degree V4."
I had a SAAB with a V-4 and backwards doughnuts....were awesome 👍😎
On motorcycles it helps with frontal area width and places the weight lower, with an added bonus of sounding interesting.
Imagine two inline 4s in one car😮 double the power!
Although they were a pain to work on,I really miss my V4 Interceptors.
The other thing is that V4s were typically used in cars before transverse engine mounting became common. With transverse mounting and turbo charging I4s don't have a packaging disadvantage and they can put out a lot of power without having such a high displacement that their imbalances become a problem. Transverse mounting on a bike is more of a packaging problem so it makes more sense to use them there.
The Ford Capri in the UK occasionally came with V4. They were unreliable and lacked alot of power.
K24 is dope got myself an accord coupe thing is so much fun to drive
The box of tissues on the dash of the Honda Accord got to me 😂😂😂😂
I'm glad you posted this because I was thinking about the fact I don't think I've ever seen a V4 in my life
You've definitely heard one without realizing it Most Sport Bikes use them. Honda VFR, Ducati V4's, Aprilia RSV4, MV Agusta, Suzuki GSV-R. Those all use V4' engines.
@@BladedAngel gotcha. Thanks for sharing, I learn a lot from your videos.
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Check out the Yamaha Vmax also. Older bike from the 90's with a V4.
Love my Aprilia rsv4
Every other car tech RUclipsr says that online is better to balance. It's just a space issue but if you have the space inline is the better choice
There was one, in the Soviet Union, it was even air-cooled: Saporoshez! 🤭😂
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It's due to downsizing and arrival of turbo in eco cars.
For the same power, V4 being more compact it allows bigger displacements engine for the same volume. When eco cars was atmo, V4 was convinient to achieve bigger displacement and power.
But it also got its cons. V4 vibrates more, revs less and has odd firing and exhaust pulse. Ideally, you'd want a firing every 720°/number of cylinders. 4 cylinders means every 180 degrees and it's only doable on a V180° (a.k.a. "flat"), a boxer or an "I" type. Not in a V90° (a.k.a. "L").
Now turbo has evolved enough to make its place in eco cars, there is no need for big displacements anymore and so goes the need for V type in eco cars.
A V type engine is more complex but complexity just for the sake of it when there are no advantages but still disadvantages would just be stupid. And the V4 in the modern turbo era has no real advantages.
I like that the animation of the I4 engine has combustion stroke on every up and with cyl 1/4 and 2/3 firing at the same time.
I went to pick up some old clamshell SAAB seats and the guy had 7 v4s in his garage. According to him, they were intended for SAAB and ended up in fords
Aprilia are well known for V4 engines in their superbikes. Ducati recently went to V4 too, to get more top end grunt. Yamaha uses an inline 4, but with a crank that gives a firing order of a V4, which cancels inertial torque of when a normal I4 changes direction with 2 cyclinders at once at the top and bottom of the strokes.
aka cross plane crank
Good old bike industry keeping the V4 alive.