CarryingNoCross spot on. If you were to pose this argument with Zappa as Mr. Blue and Lennon as Mr. Red most all would be pissed at Mr. Red, because Mr Blue happens to be right. Perusing Lennon vids u just have to see comment section to find plenty who would defend Lennon no matter what They offer up excuses for his behavior that they would never tolerate in those close to them, or maybe even in themselves.
@@theculturedthug6609 - Yes, I'm a fan of hers, so naturally I will comment in her favour. You are not, so naturally you will comment against her. Each to their own enjoyments and all that! :-)
She especially ruined Johns "Well" ( _Baby Please Don't Go_ ) the song he said he use to sing back in the Cavern in Liverpool! Screamed throughout the song! John says he loves Yoko's singing style. I don't believe a word he's saying!
Your right Brother. I myself do not care for her style. But I'll tell you, off that album " *Sometime in New York City* " Yoko has a song " _Sisters O' Sisters_ " it's like a 50's type of Feel/ beat! She sings it in a normal tone. It's good! And John plays a nice Guitar in the back. I'm sure you heard it. If not, get it!@@NOWtheband
He didn't believe in the negative effects of smoking cigarettes which is obviously bullshit and smoking cigarettes is the number 1 cause of cancer still to this day, but I agree I cant find anything I disagree with him on apart from that
That's because Zappa was very careful with how he presented himself to the public, and when he was alive it wasn't so easy to just record people spontaneously.
I hear that alot. As a kid I loved "Jerry Lewis" Loved his movies, especially "The Nutty Professor" Then, watch videos here on "RUclips" they say he was one big Asshole...They said, Jerry Lewis was always a jerk, a drug addict, a degenerate gambler, and a philanderer. In fact, if he hadn't have involved himself in the ...He also took money from the MDA saying he earned it. He was an ignorant jerk.
beatlecost It's an elitist way of judging music as if being instrumentally excellent is everything. Meanwhile, Lennon himself admits he's not a guitar virtuoso, he's a popular songwriter who obviously succeeded massively at that.
John only cared about John, Frank only cared about Frank and Yoko Ohno only cares about cash. 2 of those three are dead. The torture never stops. I love Zappa's Mothers and The Beatles but they are all really only people and some are narcissists!
Yoko fucked up a beautiful moment in rock n roll history. Fuck what any of you Yoko fans think. Btw Isaac if you call what she does free jazz than you know nothing about music, Yoko does not belong behind a mic or any instrument for that matter. Oh yea I listened to your music, your a good musician.
During that period, John was a real ass. I love his music but he had no respect for anyone but Yoko and himself. Zappa is completely correct. Paul and George had a hell of a time working with him then but I'm glad they did since they still produced such monumental music...not the crap with Yoko, but ...well you understand.
Grace didn't say Zappa was not intelligent, in fact she admitted he was. It was just that she felt he was an asshole in the way he interacted with people. As for the CIA giving hippies LSD, I would have to classify that as conspiracy nonsense. No one takes drugs because they are "given" to them. They take them because they want to take them and feel drugs will somehow enlighten them.
+Samu Rai You didn't prove anything by posting that story about Barrett. As it says in what you posted his behavior became increasingly erratic, due to what many believed was his schizophrenia coupled w/ heavy drug use. You didn't prove anything, and besides one instance does not make something universally true
+Samu Rai To be more exact; Latent schizophrenia via genetic predisposition, made symptomatic through the undergoing an overwhelmingly traumatizing experience, if you want to get technical. Thankfully, few have that genotype to begin with.
alterdestiny- I never said she was or wasn't an asshole. I guess it's a matter of opinion. I think she's a lifelong hippy who has always been a delusional left wing nutcase who still thinks it's 1968 and she's "fighting the power." She was a pretty good singer and songwriter in her youth, but as a person she's a loon.
Zappa was playing in a different universe. Never saw John Lennon so misplaced on stage than with Zappa. And "the artist" Yoko came out to be just a ridiculous joke - like always.
* A great anti-drug PSA would show John Lennon with his 1st wife (lovely blonde Cynthia) with caption THIS IS YOUR BRAIN followed by John with Yoko THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON DRUGS; ANY QUESTIONS? That'd get the message across way better than a frying eggy-wegg. ☺
I get the feeling, because Phil Spector was involved, that he talked John & Yoko into a lot of crap. Those two were so preoccupied with each other at the time the management could get away with murder... for a while, at least. Never underestimate evil representation, and back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's there was lots of it. Black Sabbath got ripped off due to Ozzy's (future) wife's mob ties, Elvis was on whatever drugs the Colonel told him to be on, Spector is a convicted murderer who represented John Lennon. Very few artists escaped their business relatively unscathed because of their representation. Zappa stayed honest (relatively) because he understood the business side of music and was on guard for a lot of the nonsense that agents try to pull.
sounds more like the "usual suspects" of Phil Sector and Allan Klein, Both J &Y were manipulated by them; "Steel & Glass" was one of John's most vituperative songs, and it was written about Klein. Hell, even McCartney hated Klein.
John and Yoko basically ruined the show. They were horribly out of tune and out of sync. If I was Frank I'd be pissed too John Lennon basically just took the recording of the show and released it
WTF? I luv Zappa as much as I luv Lennon... Spector was playing this game. It's what he did. He was a hanger on. He was the kinda guy who knew the right people to network and play against each other. I just cannot see Lennon spending hours in a studio fucking round with a 48 track mixing desk to edit out the vocals from Zappa's band just to make the awful shrieking of Ono stand out more. It's not something Lennon would do. Spector, however,? That is WHAT he does. Lennon and Zappa had no beef with each other afaic.
John was using Frank's back up "Gibson SG" he was handed the Guitar. he can't help it if the Guitar goes out of tune! Maybe it was out of tune before John got it❓
...Zappa should have realized that John teamed with Yoko was your basic 3RD Rate "Circus Act" and that only a Bozo could have expected anything better from them! I remember watching this video of John Lennon playing live with Chuck Berry and behind them is Yoko Ono who for unknown reasons (was it planned?) she picks up a mike and starts "Screaming" this (could it have been an) "Accompaniment" to their song? Anyway as Yoko initially starts to Scream (Caterwaul) this Vocal Atrocity...Chuck Berry eyes open wide and he quickly looks back at Yoko in Complete Disbelief as if to say "What the Fuck?" I can imagine Chuck Berry saying to his pals later..."If to be as Famous and Rich as the Beatles means you're going to have to spend the rest of your life with a Yoko Ono...Fuck It then I'd rather be Destitute and Unknown!
I don't think it was an expression of rage either. I think you're putting yourself (as well as most people, actually) into that interpretation. John was infatuated with his woman and was unable (for whatever reasons) to stop her from sticking her nose in business that had nothing to do with her untalented self.
Oh no, I don't believe it. You say you think you know the meaning of love! You say love is all you need. You say with your love you can change all off the fools, all of the hate! I say: I think you're out of luck. - Frank Zappa
So the truly freaked out weirdo named his children Julian and Sean, while the sane, normal person named children Dweezil and Moon Unit. Crazy world man.
And julian is not his legal first name it's actually john . John charles julian lennon. They used julian one of his middle names as a way to decipher between him & john. So he is technically not a jr bc his middle name is different than John's. I wish cynthia just named him john Winston lennon jr. Just to kill yoko that john had a jr bc she liked to believe john was born when he started dating her.
Interesting anecdote and interview clip. ...btw, Paul was so upset with what Spector had done to the Let It Be album, with all the extra orchestra, choir, overdone echo and other elements of the "Phil Spector style," that he had it re mastered and released as "Let It Be...Naked" in 2003.
" We'll figure out something we can do that will musically relate, after the concert" what an accommadating, kind man Zappa must have been. stories like this make me realize when it came to dealing with his wife, Lennon was a fuck wit It makes me, a Lennon fan lose much respect for him .
The man's gone. He was in the Worlds greatest band and he will always be noted for that. He wrote some awesome songs with & without The Beatles. So why talk trash about him, who really cares. what's it going to resolve? Just enjoy what he left us. If you don't like it then great, keep it to yourself and go find a singer or a group that you really like and tell everyone how good they are and how much you love their music ...Nuff said...:😉💗
There are a lot of talented writers in the RUclips comments sections, and this is one of the best. I only hope that Google will archive these pearls of wisdom for future generations to read and enjoy, and learn from them. *Sarcasm
,,,,One has to know the music forward and backward to be able to mock with a musical piece titled 'The Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression' or doing a sound-a like Al DiMeola instrumental impression inserted for humor in a live Zappa gig showing an amazing guitar-playing ability to have entertaining fun.
That put-down of Carlos Santana really frosted my cookies. I'm no student of musical theory, but to my untrained ear it sure sounded as if Carlos could play, and I never heard any credible critic say otherwise. Every player has style and on the guitar that may be exhibited by chord progressions. Pick any guitarist's body of work and you could probably spot recurring patterns. This is Rock'n'Roll! What did Carlos ever do or say about Zappa that made Frank target him? Was this a putdown of the artist's actual talent, or was this just Frank being his usual asshole, jealous of Santana's popularity?
The so-called Music was recorded LIVE at the Fillmore East in 1971, and released on record to the public in 1972. Now that's when John released his versions, on his "Sometime in New York City" album. No idea when Frank released his....
Frank Vincent Zappa[1] (Baltimore, Maryland; 21 de diciembre de 1940-Los Ángeles, California; 4 de diciembre de 1993) fue un compositor, guitarrista, cantante, productor discográfico y director de cine estadounidense. Con una carrera de más de treinta años, Zappa compuso rock, jazz, blues, electrónica, música artística y música concreta, entre otros. También trabajó como director de cine y de videoclips, y diseñó portadas de álbumes. Además, se encargó de la producción de los más de sesenta álbumes que grabó con The Mothers of Invention y en solitario.[2]
Wonder why Frank didn't go "Eek" and stumble backwards in a blind stupor 🤣 He probably wanted to but didn't want to embarrass himself in front of "John Lennon" ☺ I'm surprised John jammed with Zappa. Their music is like from different Worlds! You have to be a die hard fan of Zappa's too put up with his music.
you need to remember that John Lennon was arrested in St Petersburg for sedition. Refusing any form of legal representation, he spent about a year locked up and it was was during this time his he realised that the rise of industrial capitalism in Russia had caused many peasants to move to the cities, where they formed a proletariat. From Lennon's Marxist notions, he argued that this Russian proletariat would develop class consciousness, which would in turn lead them to violently overthrow Tsarism, the aristocracy, the bourgeoisie and to establish a proletariat state that would move toward socialism. John was a very thoughtful man at this stage of his musical career.
Something to keep in mind is that it was probably less JOHN screwing it up as it was PHIL SPECTOR. Around that period Spector was not a good mixer anymore
Bro Lennon's song "If I fell" from the Hard Days Night is one of the most chord heavy tunes in pop music. Lennons Post Beatles work was quite primitive but a good listen to his pre LSD Beatles output indicates that he actually had a surprisingly large chord vocabulary. All of the guitar playing Beatles did. Diminished chords and weird Minor/major 7th chords(yeah they exist lol) I know you meant no offence, and I'm not Lennon fanboy, but sometimes ya gotta give the devil his due.
I could not imagine a more incongruous match up than Frank and Yoko. Frank was a perfectionist who was insulted by what John and Yoko did with the tape. BFD. Poor Frank had to deal with show business crap. Oh well, I guess he told this story because someone asked.
@PAULOcbi There ya go. There's nothing worse than an interfering girlfriend. I had a bandmate once that did that. Needless to say, she started trying to run things. I was not in the band long after that.
What the fuck is up your ass douche bag ass wipe. The guy told us his experience and you call him names and shit. I think you have serious issues and need to look at yer own eyeballs in the mirror. I call you a douche bag because THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.
I'm sure John Lennon was aware fairly early on that he'd ruined his life and flushed his credibility down the toilet, in adopting this woman, but couldn't be seen to have made a mistake (or at least the great John Lennon, genius, couldn't privately handle he'd done something incredibly stupid and maybe his powers of judgement weren't quite what all the hype said or at least had been eroded by YEARS of LSD use) and so he proceeded to have her as his permanent sidekick in the intervening years before he was shot as a way to give everybody the middle finger and to avoid the public humiliation of having to admit other ppl were right, this person SUCKS.
Yep, John's mind was probably well baked by then, by both acid and heroin. Paul went off to record basic pop crap for another decade with Wings, but at least there was a mass audience for his stuff. John pulled his head out of his ass just long enough to record one listenable album before he was shot. And if he hadn't died, it probably would only have sold half as well.
I think it was heroin he and Yoko were addicted to. I don't think acid twisted him. His mother could not accept the responsibility of motherhood and he was never able to grieve over the loss, put it in proper perspective, forgive her and move forward without looking behind. He may never have dealt with all that without Yoko. But that did not obligate him to permit her to scream into microphones and make mockery of his music.
King Kong and JamRag are both proof that these artists could've recorded a bowel movement and people would have bought it up. Both versions just absolute racket.
>these artists could've recorded a bowel movement and people would have bought it up. Lucky for you, your parents must have thought the same thing for them to have kept you around.
@PAULOcbi Right. We have a cover band, but we can only rehearse once a week, which is fine if you're doing cover tunes. Originals take a bit more work, tho.
@flarbton Your "no real sense of timing" comment makes no sense to anyone who has read Zappa's charts and played them live. Sure there was some time changes and that is not everyone's cup of tea.
"Yeah, sure John! We'll let yoko play tonight! Absolutely!" (Hours later....) "Damn! Food poisoning? It's probably from that food we ate at the hotel earlier... Well, I hope she feels better soon! Give her my best!"
@PAULOcbi And Yoko basically proceeds to ruin the whole show by making nothing but noise and having no respect whatsoever for the other musicians. Hopefully someone will remaster the album without her vocals (term used INCEDIBLY loosely).
"Is there anything good inside of you? If there is I really wanna know!" Frank probably wrote that about John, haha jk. All jokes aside, he's definitely not the first famous person to take the opinion that John Lennon was a total jerk. The fame really went to his head in the later years; like when he & Yoko spent a month in bed as a protest..ROFL
Frank exposing the BS ! He’s a real non BS kind of guy. Trashing Lennon’s camp, rightfully so ! Hope it didn’t create some enemy’s in the music business where Frank could lose out on opportunities.
You really can't compare the two.. They were entirely different from one another. The only thing they had in common was they both sang and played Guitar. Their music was different... Like wine, you have to acquire a taste for Franks songs. Not Johns.@@chuckyoneil3820
I was really surprised by this interview. I've never heard Frank talk so animatedly. He has an interesting diction, he sounds almost like he's from Missouri or Arkansas. Not an accent exactly but a way of talking.
* In early Beatles era Lennon had mediocre bass player/tone deaf singer Stu Sutcliffe in band because he was a pal. In post-Beatles era Lennon had Yoko center stage even if merely sitting on stool contributing nothing to band. It was ego yet he still produced good stuff. ♣
"Comments" Personal opinions on posted content. period. So, to the few who think it's a debate forum that has to include immature responses and insults...grow up. Share your thoughts with some form of polite, social graces. (and if you really can't, just remember, nobody was talking to you anyway. And...GFU.)
Zappa's recollection at 3:26 is particularly telling as far as John Lennon's musicianship. His objection to Lennon's retitling "King Kong" as "JamRag" is based on a musician's typical ability to discern musical form. The problem evidently is that Lennon was unable to do this unless the tune had a very obvious and simple form. This is commensurate with a story George Martin tells. I remember seeing this years ago on a documentary that Martin hosted. During the Beatles days he was trying to expose Lennon (and, presumably, the rest of the Beatles) to more classical music. He played Daphnis et Chloe to Lennon. After hearing the piece in its entirety, Lennon - according to Martin - responded "Well, that's good, but by the time it was over I'd forgotten the beginning of it." Consequently, Martin concluded that Lennon's brain was conditioned to think of music in minuscule, 3 minute "pop" bites. I'm not interested in debating the merits of Zappa's music over Lennon's (though for the record, I much prefer Zappa's). I'm also not about to excuse Lennon's retitling "King Kong": even though he might not have recognized it as a tune, he knew HE didn't write it. He should have contacted Zappa about composer credit based on that alone. But I do think the likelihood is that for Lennon, "King Kong" DIDN'T have an obvious structure. I really think that unless you're talking about the most basic rock, blues, or folk, Lennon likely had no clue about musical structure and didn't care to learn. And this isn't of course to argue that Lennon's or the Beatles' music wasn't sophisticated. Particularly within the context of the basic song forms they dealt with, it was. Music came naturally to Lennon, and my larger point is that based on the recollections of Zappa and Martin, Lennon wasn't really interested in thinking about music. Toward the end of his life, he arguably ceased to even care about it.
Well Lennon’s got Irish roots and is a scouser and Yoko a devious and truculent individual, so are you entirely surprised that he and Yoko nicked King Kong and recredited it to themselves Frank?! This is also the woman that made Julian Lennon “buy” back his father’s own letters that he personally wrote to him at an auction! So to me this situation is no entirely surprising at all!!!!
I miss Frank. Such a down to earth, bright as hell and funny dude.
why is everyone acting like zappa straight up attacked John, when John just messed with Frank's work?
Grim Patron this. seems as if Frank has a legit gripe.
CarryingNoCross spot on. If you were to pose this argument with Zappa as Mr. Blue and Lennon as Mr. Red most all would be pissed at Mr. Red, because Mr Blue happens to be right. Perusing Lennon vids u just have to see comment section to find plenty who would defend Lennon no matter what They offer up excuses for his behavior that they would never tolerate in those close to them, or maybe even in themselves.
@@gregvinson1 I dont like zappa but ffs keep yoko away
@@Samurai_S37N You don't have to know someone personally to like or dislike their music. Huge zappa fan here btw
Lennon ripped off Zappa, simple as
I love how he talks about interviews being boring during an interview
What happened with John and Yoko at the Fillmore. They didn't switch off Yoko's microphone.
Thankfully.
@@NOWtheband Thankfully? she spoilt everything she was on with John and anyone else
@@theculturedthug6609 - Yes, I'm a fan of hers, so naturally I will comment in her favour.
You are not, so naturally you will comment against her.
Each to their own enjoyments and all that!
:-)
She especially ruined Johns "Well" ( _Baby Please Don't Go_ ) the song he said he use to sing back in the Cavern in Liverpool!
Screamed throughout the song! John says he loves Yoko's singing style. I don't believe a word he's saying!
Your right Brother. I myself do not care for her style. But I'll tell you, off that album " *Sometime in New York City* "
Yoko has a song " _Sisters O' Sisters_ " it's like a 50's type of Feel/ beat! She sings it in a normal tone. It's good!
And John plays a nice Guitar in the back. I'm sure you heard it. If not, get it!@@NOWtheband
Can't seem to find a video of Zappa that i disagree with... The man was extraordinary.
EXTRA ORDINARY!!!
He didn't believe in the negative effects of smoking cigarettes which is obviously bullshit and smoking cigarettes is the number 1 cause of cancer still to this day, but I agree I cant find anything I disagree with him on apart from that
@@WhoCares-dl8zr you dont just stop eating your favourite vegetable. even if you call it by name
That's because Zappa was very careful with how he presented himself to the public, and when he was alive it wasn't so easy to just record people spontaneously.
@@cornfusedatbest6693 Kwititya-antiautofill-nazi. Yaknow-watimean.
He sounds credible and truthful. John could be a dick.
Sounds like there's gonna be a sword fight!
John Lennon was definitely a dick.
I doubt it very much that John was a Dick. If he was a Dick, he never would bother standing up for PEACE ☮
@@brockshields9336 I thought I seen John Slap Frank in the face with a glove and saying something like: "I Challenge you to a duel"
Aaaahhh, the recording business. Lester Bangs once said, "Never meet your heroes, they will only let you down".
Doubt Lennon was Frank's hero.
I hear that alot. As a kid I loved "Jerry Lewis" Loved his movies, especially "The Nutty Professor" Then, watch videos here on "RUclips"
they say he was one big Asshole...They said, Jerry Lewis was always a jerk, a drug addict, a degenerate gambler, and a philanderer. In fact, if he hadn't have involved himself in the ...He also took money from the MDA saying he earned it. He was an ignorant jerk.
At least Zappa raised all his kids and never beat his wife.......And he was an actual musician.
Lennon wasn? i would place LENNONS BODY OF WORK AGAINST ANY ARTIST, zappa really thats a joke
Sorry. He didn't really think of himself as much of a musician either. He more of an arteest. like his no talent wife.
john never beat his wife
Amazing how this stupid comment has 33 likes.
beatlecost It's an elitist way of judging music as if being instrumentally excellent is everything. Meanwhile, Lennon himself admits he's not a guitar virtuoso, he's a popular songwriter who obviously succeeded massively at that.
This story makes me really hate John & Yoko. And at the same time I respect Frank even more.
NowForTheTruth 😎
it was probably crazy assed phil spector's fault. i highly doubt john was masterminding the fucking thing.
John only cared about John, Frank only cared about Frank and Yoko Ohno only cares about cash. 2 of those three are dead. The torture never stops.
I love Zappa's Mothers and The Beatles but they are all really only people and some are narcissists!
IDIOT
95% of the Beatles material is wonderful. About 35-45% of Frank's material is wonderful... the rest is gibberwank....
When I heard the name Allen Klein I went "ahhhh! That figures."
Maybe "Robert Klein"❓ That's him at 1:45 with his wife or Girlfriend and.... ZAPPA!
and how the fuck does yoko "jam"? Shrieking into a mic is not jamming.
small mind for a zappa fan. i love the shit she does with john zorn
Says a lot about anyone who loves her unintentionally comical pretend-talent.
+Isaac Baranoff you got to be fucking kidding me I don't know what you're talking about but screaming into a microphone isn't any kind of art form
It is, though.
Yoko fucked up a beautiful moment in rock n roll history. Fuck what any of you Yoko fans think. Btw Isaac if you call what she does free jazz than you know nothing about music, Yoko does not belong behind a mic or any instrument for that matter. Oh yea I listened to your music, your a good musician.
Imagine John with no possessions . . .
he's got fuck all now.
haha ♡
@@tehf00n neither does his son or ex wife 🙄
His son Julian can imagine that for real.
😂
During that period, John was a real ass. I love his music but he had no respect for anyone but Yoko and himself. Zappa is completely correct. Paul and George had a hell of a time working with him then but I'm glad they did since they still produced such monumental music...not the crap with Yoko, but ...well you understand.
That's the period John was hooked on Heroin. Do you know what kind of person acts like on Heroin? 💉
take a look at the Get Back documentary to see how they worked in 1969
"Frank Zappa is the most intelligent asshole I've ever met."- Grace Slick of Jefferson Airplane.
Grace didn't say Zappa was not intelligent, in fact she admitted he was. It was just that she felt he was an asshole in the way he interacted with people. As for the CIA giving hippies LSD, I would have to classify that as conspiracy nonsense. No one takes drugs because they are "given" to them. They take them because they want to take them and feel drugs will somehow enlighten them.
Geeze, I know, right? This Samu person sounds like a silly conspiratard, believing anything he saw once on a sensationalistic RUclips video.
+Samu Rai You didn't prove anything by posting that story about Barrett. As it says in what you posted his behavior became increasingly erratic, due to what many believed was his schizophrenia coupled w/ heavy drug use. You didn't prove anything, and besides one instance does not make something universally true
+Samu Rai To be more exact; Latent schizophrenia via genetic predisposition, made symptomatic through the undergoing an overwhelmingly traumatizing experience, if you want to get technical. Thankfully, few have that genotype to begin with.
alterdestiny- I never said she was or wasn't an asshole. I guess it's a matter of opinion. I think she's a lifelong hippy who has always been a delusional left wing nutcase who still thinks it's 1968 and she's "fighting the power." She was a pretty good singer and songwriter in her youth, but as a person she's a loon.
I don't care who the artist is you never give your master away to be mixed without you being present
I’m surprised that FZ did that. I’m NOT surprised JL did that.
The reaction they expected was, "Wowee zowee, it's John and Yoko!"
Well, lots of people get starstruck, especially when they meet a Beatle. So it is natural.
"Listening to Yoko Ono sing is like listening to the soundtrack from a snuff film." (JD, 2018)
It’s like listening to nails scratching along a blackboard ( oh we can’t say blackboard any more) sorry, writing board.
@@Eleventhearlofmars boomer
@@Eleventhearlofmars omg you're actually making up things to be annoyed about blackboard is a completely appropriate term
@@harrykeepdrumsI call em colored boards
When she sings, I mean really sings it's...tolerable. But when she screams... it's horrible, mean horrible. 😱
Zappa was playing in a different universe. Never saw John Lennon so misplaced on stage than with Zappa. And "the artist" Yoko came out to be just a ridiculous joke - like always.
* A great anti-drug PSA would show John Lennon with his 1st wife (lovely blonde Cynthia) with caption THIS IS YOUR BRAIN followed by John with Yoko THIS IS YOUR BRAIN ON DRUGS; ANY QUESTIONS? That'd get the message across way better than a frying eggy-wegg. ☺
Brilliant !
yoko is a greedy control freak,
She is a satanic totally destroying creativity in the name of creativity, she will burn in hell
I get the feeling, because Phil Spector was involved, that he talked John & Yoko into a lot of crap. Those two were so preoccupied with each other at the time the management could get away with murder... for a while, at least.
Never underestimate evil representation, and back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's there was lots of it. Black Sabbath got ripped off due to Ozzy's (future) wife's mob ties, Elvis was on whatever drugs the Colonel told him to be on, Spector is a convicted murderer who represented John Lennon. Very few artists escaped their business relatively unscathed because of their representation.
Zappa stayed honest (relatively) because he understood the business side of music and was on guard for a lot of the nonsense that agents try to pull.
Phil Spector brought us some Great music though
Wasnt Klein their representative at the time? the greedy Klein
sounds more like the "usual suspects" of Phil Sector and Allan Klein, Both J &Y were manipulated by them; "Steel & Glass" was one of John's most vituperative songs, and it was written about Klein. Hell, even McCartney hated Klein.
PS I think all 3 (J, Y, and Zappa) were geniuses. Love em all.
John and Yoko basically ruined the show. They were horribly out of tune and out of sync. If I was Frank I'd be pissed too John Lennon basically just took the recording of the show and released it
Too bad boo hoo
Frank should have just been upfront, "No, John."
End of story.
What a double-headed fuckhead john & yuko were.
IT WAS PHIL-FUCKING-HACK-SPENCER!
WTF? I luv Zappa as much as I luv Lennon... Spector was playing this game. It's what he did. He was a hanger on. He was the kinda guy who knew the right people to network and play against each other. I just cannot see Lennon spending hours in a studio fucking round with a 48 track mixing desk to edit out the vocals from Zappa's band just to make the awful shrieking of Ono stand out more. It's not something Lennon would do.
Spector, however,? That is WHAT he does. Lennon and Zappa had no beef with each other afaic.
John was using Frank's back up "Gibson SG" he was handed the Guitar. he can't help it if the Guitar goes out of tune!
Maybe it was out of tune before John got it❓
The more I get older the less I like John... Yoko is a walking disaster
@@nicholasvanlierde2546 What bad ideas are these you speak of? Lets hear it.
The fact that Lennon suggested Brian Epstein should call his autobiography "The Queer Jew" tells you all you need to know about the man.
It ended up being called 'A Cellarful of Noise' and Lennon called it 'A Cellarful of Boys'
We still miss you, Frank.
He's only gone from Earth. He is more alive in Heaven then he ever was on Earth! ⭐⭐✝✝
He was kind enough to tolerate Yoko Ono and her screeching,what a man!
He put a bag on her and flipped her off on stage I'm not sure that's the definition of 'tolerance' 🤣
@@DngrDan Yeah sure.🥸
you must have not listened to a lot of Zappa if you think screeching annoyed him...
"Only the good die young, all the evil seem to live forever"
...Zappa should have realized that John teamed with Yoko was your basic 3RD Rate "Circus Act" and that only a Bozo could have expected anything better from them!
I remember watching this video of John Lennon playing live with Chuck Berry and behind them is Yoko Ono who for unknown reasons (was it planned?) she picks up a mike and starts "Screaming" this (could it have been an) "Accompaniment" to their song? Anyway as Yoko initially starts to Scream (Caterwaul) this Vocal Atrocity...Chuck Berry eyes open wide and he quickly looks back at Yoko in Complete Disbelief as if to say "What the Fuck?" I can imagine Chuck Berry saying to his pals later..."If to be as Famous and Rich as the Beatles means you're going to have to spend the rest of your life with a Yoko Ono...Fuck It then I'd rather be Destitute and Unknown!
In the case of Lennon, love wasn't just blind, it made him blind...and deaf...and dumb.
But I bet he sure played a mean pinball
That video is one of my favourite things ever. The FUCKING RAGE in Chuck's eyes when Yoko starts screaming is incredible.
I recall Bill Burr having the greatest commentary on that video lmao
I don't think it was an expression of rage either. I think you're putting yourself (as well as most people, actually) into that interpretation. John was infatuated with his woman and was unable (for whatever reasons) to stop her from sticking her nose in business that had nothing to do with her untalented self.
Hear you, Frank. Obvious beef. Justified. It is sad how his children are fighting over his estate. Money dies. Relationship should never.
the beatles were average persons sellouts ,we're mods,we're hippies,we're indian fusion... no one took a shot at the rolling stones or elvis.
Exactly but they didn't talk as much s*** as John Lennon did.
man, every single group in the 60's admired and followed the Beatles, you name it, Rolling Stones, Velvet Underground, Pink Floyd, everyone
Seems like Frank didn't care much for post-Beatles John. John totally respected Frank though.
Oh no, I don't believe it. You say you think you know the meaning of love!
You say love is all you need. You say with your love you can change all off the fools, all of the hate! I say: I think you're out of luck.
- Frank Zappa
lol, I always thought he said "I think you're probably out to lunch" or something like that
Yes. It's "out to lunch".
always an undercurrent of suspicion towards establishment , whether government, record company,notable figures....
This vid has the original full date, Nov. 10, 2008 rather than saying "16 years ago." I didn't think that happened anymore....
So the truly freaked out weirdo named his children Julian and Sean, while the sane, normal person named children Dweezil and Moon Unit. Crazy world man.
And julian is not his legal first name it's actually john . John charles julian lennon. They used julian one of his middle names as a way to decipher between him & john. So he is technically not a jr bc his middle name is different than John's. I wish cynthia just named him john Winston lennon jr. Just to kill yoko that john had a jr bc she liked to believe john was born when he started dating her.
I don't think Frank was a freaked out Weirdo. He was very intelligent and spoke his mind. Forget John, hes far from being a weirdo
@@GaryChambers-p5m i said John was, not Frank. That was my point mate 😉
Frank should still be here and it's NOT FAIR!!!
Interesting anecdote and interview clip. ...btw, Paul was so upset with what Spector had done to the Let It Be album, with all the extra orchestra, choir, overdone echo and other elements of the "Phil Spector style," that he had it re mastered and released as "Let It Be...Naked" in 2003.
" We'll figure out something we can do that will musically relate, after the concert" what an accommadating, kind man Zappa must have been. stories like this make me realize when it came to dealing with his wife, Lennon was a fuck wit It makes me, a Lennon fan lose much respect for him .
Just maybe Yoko was JLs personal performance art to punish the rest of the world.
The man's gone. He was in the Worlds greatest band and he will always be noted for that. He wrote some awesome songs
with & without The Beatles. So why talk trash about him, who really cares. what's it going to resolve? Just enjoy what he left us.
If you don't like it then great, keep it to yourself and go find a singer or a group that you really like and tell everyone how good they are
and how much you love their music ...Nuff said...:😉💗
There are a lot of talented writers in the RUclips comments sections, and this is one of the best. I only hope that Google will archive these pearls of wisdom for future generations to read and enjoy, and learn from them.
*Sarcasm
You ruined it by indicating it's sarcasm. To be really effective, you need to let the irony sing.
Loved Lennon madly (I was only a child). I understood what John & Yoko were trying to say. Zappa an amazing genius. Peace & love y'all.
Serious error there John, my friend, just as well you were dealing with someone who understood human fallibility but also appreciated your talent
,,,,One has to know the music forward and backward to be able to mock with a musical piece titled 'The Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression' or doing a sound-a like Al DiMeola instrumental impression inserted for humor in a live Zappa gig showing an amazing guitar-playing ability to have entertaining fun.
That put-down of Carlos Santana really frosted my cookies. I'm no student of musical theory, but to my untrained ear it sure sounded as if Carlos could play, and I never heard any credible critic say otherwise. Every player has style and on the guitar that may be exhibited by chord progressions. Pick any guitarist's body of work and you could probably spot recurring patterns. This is Rock'n'Roll! What did Carlos ever do or say about Zappa that made Frank target him? Was this a putdown of the artist's actual talent, or was this just Frank being his usual asshole, jealous of Santana's popularity?
What else would you expect from a guy who imagined no possessions?
OK, when was this recorded, and when did the incident under discussion occur? Knowing those timelines would be nice.
The so-called Music was recorded LIVE at the Fillmore East in 1971, and released on record to the public in 1972.
Now that's when John released his versions, on his "Sometime in New York City" album. No idea when Frank released
his....
Frank Vincent Zappa[1] (Baltimore, Maryland; 21 de diciembre de 1940-Los Ángeles, California; 4 de diciembre de 1993) fue un compositor, guitarrista, cantante, productor discográfico y director de cine estadounidense. Con una carrera de más de treinta años, Zappa compuso rock, jazz, blues, electrónica, música artística y música concreta, entre otros. También trabajó como director de cine y de videoclips, y diseñó portadas de álbumes. Además, se encargó de la producción de los más de sesenta álbumes que grabó con The Mothers of Invention y en solitario.[2]
Wonder why Frank didn't go "Eek" and stumble backwards in a blind stupor 🤣
He probably wanted to but didn't want to embarrass himself in front of "John Lennon" ☺
I'm surprised John jammed with Zappa. Their music is like from different Worlds!
You have to be a die hard fan of Zappa's too put up with his music.
you need to remember that John Lennon was arrested in St Petersburg for sedition. Refusing any form of legal representation, he spent about a year locked up and it was was during this time his he realised that the rise of industrial capitalism in Russia had caused many peasants to move to the cities, where they formed a proletariat. From Lennon's Marxist notions, he argued that this Russian proletariat would develop class consciousness, which would in turn lead them to violently overthrow Tsarism, the aristocracy, the bourgeoisie and to establish a proletariat state that would move toward socialism. John was a very thoughtful man at this stage of his musical career.
And, of course your post is a put-on and you're actually describing Nikolai Lenin, not John Lennon, right?
Heh, i chuckled anyway
Something to keep in mind is that it was probably less JOHN screwing it up as it was PHIL SPECTOR. Around that period Spector was not a good mixer anymore
RUclips community, the song they played that night “scumbag” is available in video on RUclips, very rare recording
Frank Zappa=Genius. Lennon, wrote some really catchy three chord tunes, sold a ton of records; right time right place. Yoko....um, who?
I'll do you one better: "why Yoko?"
Bro Lennon's song "If I fell" from the Hard Days Night is one of the most chord heavy tunes in pop music. Lennons Post Beatles work was quite primitive but a good listen to his pre LSD Beatles output indicates that he actually had a surprisingly large chord vocabulary. All of the guitar playing Beatles did. Diminished chords and weird Minor/major 7th chords(yeah they exist lol)
I know you meant no offence, and I'm not Lennon fanboy, but sometimes ya gotta give the devil his due.
ok, now name a Beatles song that has three chords
He was John Lennon, he was treated like a God by a lot of people, it must have an effect, even on a reasonable person.
I'd compare John Lennon playing with Frank Zappa to me playing with the likes of Allen Holdsworth.
A true musician.
Zappa is the coolest. However it's his point of view. There are always two sides. But we already knew that
So true. people tend to qet emotional over it...then they become bias...not good
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Well Yoko said is was okay. So there ya go!
I wish he would have discussed the screaming lady.
Zappa was a genius but he had a dicky side too, he was a bit self righteous and superior... btw nice singing yoko
Zappa sounds a little bit like Michael Keaton
I could not imagine a more incongruous match up than Frank and Yoko. Frank was a perfectionist who was insulted by what John and Yoko did with the tape. BFD. Poor Frank had to deal with show business crap. Oh well, I guess he told this story because someone asked.
Or maybe it was because it was the truth you dimwit, John Lennon was a three-chord playing hack,, Studio made and nothing else
When MAJOR Ego's collide.
@PAULOcbi There ya go. There's nothing worse than an interfering girlfriend. I had a bandmate once that did that. Needless to say, she started trying to run things. I was not in the band long after that.
What the fuck is up your ass douche bag ass wipe. The guy told us his experience and you call him names and shit. I think you have serious issues and need to look at yer own eyeballs in the mirror. I call you a douche bag because THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE.
dharmaseed: and you beta puss didn't stand up to it
dharmaseed it goes to 11.
i suspect that ono and spector rigged it. john went along blithely not knowing all the scammy details...just a hunch on my part.
I'm sure John Lennon was aware fairly early on that he'd ruined his life and flushed his credibility down the toilet, in adopting this woman, but couldn't be seen to have made a mistake (or at least the great John Lennon, genius, couldn't privately handle he'd done something incredibly stupid and maybe his powers of judgement weren't quite what all the hype said or at least had been eroded by YEARS of LSD use) and so he proceeded to have her as his permanent sidekick in the intervening years before he was shot as a way to give everybody the middle finger and to avoid the public humiliation of having to admit other ppl were right, this person SUCKS.
Yep, John's mind was probably well baked by then, by both acid and heroin. Paul went off to record basic pop crap for another decade with Wings, but at least there was a mass audience for his stuff. John pulled his head out of his ass just long enough to record one listenable album before he was shot. And if he hadn't died, it probably would only have sold half as well.
I think it was heroin he and Yoko were addicted to. I don't think acid twisted him. His mother could not accept the responsibility of motherhood and he was never able to grieve over the loss, put it in proper perspective, forgive her and move forward without looking behind. He may never have dealt with all that without Yoko. But that did not obligate him to permit her to scream into microphones and make mockery of his music.
cats love frank zappa.
Stealing songs was nothing new for John Lennon. Chuck Berry could have told you all about that.
False. John was paying tribute. They jammed together
Sounds like they tried to steal it from Frank Zappa a.k.a. musical genius and he didn't put up with it. That's just not right.
King Kong and JamRag are both proof that these artists could've recorded a bowel movement and people would have bought it up. Both versions just absolute racket.
Literally. I tried listening to them both and and it's just noise. It's nothing.
@@DngrDan Like Zappa said, there is a melody and it was written. The Mothers knew how to play it. It was not nothing son
>these artists could've recorded a bowel movement and people would have bought it up.
Lucky for you, your parents must have thought the same thing for them to have kept you around.
@PAULOcbi Right. We have a cover band, but we can only rehearse once a week, which is fine if you're doing cover tunes. Originals take a bit more work, tho.
Should be Fillmore?
Did you know that before john met yoko , he used to like pretty women..
Actually, John could've gotten any woman he really wanted.. Man..he wasn't just The Eggman 🥚 He was *John Lennon!*
Little bit of Heaven.. 94.7, KMET.. Twiddle Dee..
Man, That goes back.
@flarbton Your "no real sense of timing" comment makes no sense to anyone who has read Zappa's charts and played them live. Sure there was some time changes and that is not everyone's cup of tea.
"Yeah, sure John! We'll let yoko play tonight! Absolutely!"
(Hours later....)
"Damn! Food poisoning? It's probably from that food we ate at the hotel earlier... Well, I hope she feels better soon! Give her my best!"
@PAULOcbi And Yoko basically proceeds to ruin the whole show by making nothing but noise and having no respect whatsoever for the other musicians. Hopefully someone will remaster the album without her vocals (term used INCEDIBLY loosely).
Was it Alan Klein, or John Lennon and Yoko who were responsible for this?
Zappa had the cool
"Is there anything good inside of you? If there is I really wanna know!"
Frank probably wrote that about John, haha jk. All jokes aside, he's definitely not the first famous person to take the opinion that John Lennon was a total jerk. The fame really went to his head in the later years; like when he & Yoko spent a month in bed as a protest..ROFL
And how much of John do you know about? went to his head? Not at all. He hated it.
@@beatles123 You can hate something and need it, both.
Really tragic that big money is paid for that which is not work to those who do not toil, not suffer.
some people are disturbed, Frank Zappa was disturb-ing.
Frank exposing the BS ! He’s a real non BS kind of guy. Trashing Lennon’s camp, rightfully so ! Hope it didn’t create some enemy’s in the music business where Frank could lose out on opportunities.
If Zappa declares something to be "weird", it really must be veeeeeeeeeeeeeery weird, like his King Kong "song"....
TRUE GENIUS!!!!!!
What can you expect from an insect?
Surprised John did that. Lame move.
such a sharp dude
how about yoko nixing cheap trick's contribution to lennon's new songs calling them"unknown(to yoko) why should they get a free ride from us!
ZAPPA!!!!
LENNON!.
You really can't compare the two.. They were entirely different from one another. The only thing they had in common was they both sang and played Guitar. Their music was different... Like wine, you have to acquire a taste for Franks songs. Not Johns.@@chuckyoneil3820
I was really surprised by this interview. I've never heard Frank talk so animatedly. He has an interesting diction, he sounds almost like he's from Missouri or Arkansas. Not an accent exactly but a way of talking.
John was never the fkn God everyone thought he was. And well, Yoko, she's just an evil witch. Say no more.
In another interview here on RUclips (Beatles Bible series) the "one o'clock in the afternoon" mysteriously grew to "two o'clock"....
* In early Beatles era Lennon had mediocre bass player/tone deaf singer Stu Sutcliffe in band because he was a pal. In post-Beatles era Lennon had Yoko center stage even if merely sitting on stool contributing nothing to band. It was ego yet he still produced good stuff. ♣
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Yoko has always been poison.
Zappa's recollection at 3:26 is particularly telling as far as John Lennon's musicianship. His objection to Lennon's retitling "King Kong" as "JamRag" is based on a musician's typical ability to discern musical form. The problem evidently is that Lennon was unable to do this unless the tune had a very obvious and simple form.
This is commensurate with a story George Martin tells. I remember seeing this years ago on a documentary that Martin hosted. During the Beatles days he was trying to expose Lennon (and, presumably, the rest of the Beatles) to more classical music. He played Daphnis et Chloe to Lennon. After hearing the piece in its entirety, Lennon - according to Martin - responded "Well, that's good, but by the time it was over I'd forgotten the beginning of it." Consequently, Martin concluded that Lennon's brain was conditioned to think of music in minuscule, 3 minute "pop" bites.
I'm not interested in debating the merits of Zappa's music over Lennon's (though for the record, I much prefer Zappa's). I'm also not about to excuse Lennon's retitling "King Kong": even though he might not have recognized it as a tune, he knew HE didn't write it. He should have contacted Zappa about composer credit based on that alone.
But I do think the likelihood is that for Lennon, "King Kong" DIDN'T have an obvious structure. I really think that unless you're talking about the most basic rock, blues, or folk, Lennon likely had no clue about musical structure and didn't care to learn. And this isn't of course to argue that Lennon's or the Beatles' music wasn't sophisticated. Particularly within the context of the basic song forms they dealt with, it was. Music came naturally to Lennon, and my larger point is that based on the recollections of Zappa and Martin, Lennon wasn't really interested in thinking about music. Toward the end of his life, he arguably ceased to even care about it.
Jim Croce, Cat Stevens , Frank Zappa.
What? Frank Zappa does not fit in with those two guys, It should be: " *_Jim Croce- Cat Stevens- Harry Chapin"_* .. Now this is more like it.
Lennon taking Frank Zappa serious ?,,,,it never happened.
Well Lennon’s got Irish roots and is a scouser and Yoko a devious and truculent individual, so are you entirely surprised that he and Yoko nicked King Kong and recredited it to themselves Frank?! This is also the woman that made Julian Lennon “buy” back his father’s own letters that he personally wrote to him at an auction! So to me this situation is no entirely surprising at all!!!!
Damn.
Thanks Mark, damn good aim.