Kharkov Redemption: How Von Manstein Resurrected German Fortunes After Stalingrad
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- In the grim aftermath of the devastating Battle of Stalingrad, where the might of the German army suffered a crippling blow, the world watched with bated breath as the tides of war seemed poised to crush Nazi Germany beneath the weight of Soviet supremacy.
Yet, amidst the ashes of defeat, one man emerged as a beacon of hope for the embattled German forces: Field Marshal Erich von Manstein.
As the dust settled on the charred remains of Stalingrad, the eyes of the world turned towards the Eastern-Front once more where the fate of nations hung in the balance.
It was in this crucible of war, amidst the snow-covered plains and blood-soaked battlegrounds of Kharkov, that Von Manstein orchestrated a daring and audacious campaign, defying the odds and resurrecting German fortunes from the brink of collapse.
Join us as we delve into the gripping tale of Kharkov 1943, where Von Manstein's strategic genius and unwavering determination breathed new life into the German war machine offering a glimmer of hope in the darkness of defeat.
#kharkov #kharkiv #easternfront
And today Russian and Ukrainian soldiers fight over the very same ground that the Wehrmacht and Red Army once did. Bizarre.
The bizarre thing is neither side learned from the tactics used then. That could be applied today. But with different weapons and reverse engineered methods. 👍
History repeating itself
I know remains of soldiers upon remains of soldiers... , i watched a video of a russian young man excavating ww2 soldiers for reconstitution back to the family, only to find himself kia in an area nearby
And once again, Russia must be stopped
@@Dilley_G45 once again USA supports an evil state to weaken russia.
A most excellent presentation. I have seen decades of World War II film footage, but have never before seen most of the ones presented here. They give a clear view of how fighting in Russia in Winter was. The sheer numbers of men and equipment, and the quantity destroyed on each side, is staggering. Setting all of it in motion in the middle of Russian winter must have been a superhuman effort.
Von Manstein was probably the best field marshall of WW2. Not of just the wehrmacht, but probably of any army that fought in it. He did not grab headlines like Rommel, nor did he seek fame, or even recognition, Von Manstein was simply brilliant at both strategic and tactical leadership on the Ostfront. It had been Von Manstein's plan that Hitler seized on (and took all the credit for), that brought total victory in France in 1940.
Time and time again Von Manstein rescued Hitler's armies from complete disaster. His tactical flair was so obvious that some commanders (including Manstein himself) proposed that Hitler should give over-all command of the Ostfront to Manstein personally. But this Hitler would never do, even in 1944 when the Eastern front was crumbling all around him. "He's certainly a clever fellow", said Hitler, "but I don't trust him."
Hitler was an idiot.
Ironically, had German command and Manstein had their way without Hitler's interference, Germany would have had a much higher chance of being more successful in WW2. There was a subtle difference between what the German Kaiser wanted to do and what German commanders wanted to do in WW1. Thus, the political leadership tends to doom the military strategy and overstretch their abilities to defeat their opponents.
Why did Hitler distrust him ?
@@je9625 beats me!
Like Stalin all megalomaniac's distrust successful junior officers
The winter conditions under which the soldiers on both sides fought are unbelievable. And they also had to keep their equipment usable. Thanks for the video, I didn't know it yet. Manstein, born in 1887, was not sentenced to death in Nuremberg. He received a prison sentence and was released in 1953 and was later an advisor in the new Bundeswehr. He died at an old age on June 11, 1973. He wrote his memories in a book in 1955. The title is tragically *lost victories*.
That's what I was thinking, man, that looks cold! But I guess if you facing death at any time, maybe you don't care as much
If you cross reference what he says in Lost Victories with the actual field despatches, you can see that he lied a lot in lost victories. Things like the breakout at stalingrad and who was ordered to do what when
Manstein was the finest general in ww2. Patton said it himself. Conducting a fighting retreat is the most difficult challenge of a general.
Of course! He was also the architect of the surprise attack thru the Ardennes in the Battle for France. Although Hitler took credit for this
Best general in the wrong army sadly
@@bingobongo1615 has US or UK the "right" army?
Manstein was the dumbest strategist WWII has ever known. It is easy to conduct a fighting retreat when you are able to read it . If he succeeded it is only because the Russians didn't coordinate their counteroffensive properly on the long run. And it is thanks to List who saw immediately the danger in the Caucasus and retreated quickly without Manstein order. Manstein was unable to read the Stalingrad front. He only acted AFTER the events.'
@@antoinemozart243 Easy? Right....
Imagine if Hitler allowed Manstein more of these tactical retreats
I read in some military history somewhere that Manstein drew up a plan for a “massive” Kharkov-type operation which would involve an enormous retreat and, with the power of a coiled spring released, unleash a ferocious counterattack that would have ensnared a huge number of Russian armies. Hitler passed on the plan, considering it too risky (and too unlike his “hold or bust” strategy), but I always wondered if such a plan might have succeeded, and how long it would have prolonged the war
It wouldn't have succeeded. The Germans simply didn't have enough fuel for the maneuvers it would have required at this point, and the allies had too much intelligence thanks to enigma.
The longer the war went on, the more Jews who would have been murdered in the Holocaust
The war was lost already when it began in June 1941 - too late ! The Germans had been busy on the Balkan...
@@phoenix211245I disagree. If Hitler had ceded command and control to Manstein earlier, greater gains would have been accomplished before the weather changed that made conditions unfavourable for further attack.
Additionally, when the weather changed the Germans could have taken the opportunity to “batten down the hatches” and created massive fixed defenses (trench lines, minefields etc) to solidify and consolidate their gains, whilst creating proper fallback positions in preparation for future Russian attacks.
@@dennisheng3239 The problem is that you are talking about 1942/43 Germany here.
They. Had. No. Fuel. They could not maneuver any significant distance away from the rail lines. They could not build up a significant concentration of forces without the allies being aware of it.
In the summer/autumn of 1942 they had no forces for any further offensives or the ability to build "massive fortifications". They were already stretched to the limit for plan Blau, Stalingrad, the Rzhev salient, the battle for the Atlantic, and the Africa campaign (yes, that last one used massive amounts of planes, fuel, and resources).
They simply had NOTHING they could contribute to further offensives.
In 1943, the Kursk offensive was carried out under the direct command of Manstein, and went so well that the Russians did a massive counteroffensive right after and retook huge tracts of territory.
Don't forget that a lot of history about Manstein was written BY Manstein, who had every reason to make himself look like an unparalleled genius, with the reason that Germany lost being the incompetent Hitler.
Oh, and Paulus was supposed to be relieved at Stalingrad by Manstein. You know how well THAT went.
Loved this material. You, sir, got yourself a subscriber❤
Manstein couldn't have done this without the Professionalism and Sacrifice of the German Soldiers !
The other thing was that the Red Army was overconfident. Something that'll cost you, too. Good point you made, too.
Tactical superiority will never defeat long term strategy
Duh
@@gregorymilla9213Ruskies were one early winter from defeat in 41
HE GAVE MUCH CREDIT TO THE GERMAN SOLDIER IN HIS MEMOIR, "LOST VICTORIES". "WE WERE OUTNUMBERED, WE WERE OUTGUNNED, BUT WE WERE NEVER OUTMANNED."
To think that these days the same grounds are pounded once again by bombs and tanks.... so tragic.
Loving the videos bro. Very well done!
Thank you!
Manstein was good against weakened and overstretched enemy, if he had fully manned and equipped divisions with him. Even Hitler commented on it (somewhat sarcastically) when he removed him from command after disaster in early 1944. Something in style, if we ever have 15 fully maned and trained divisions like we had before the war , then Manstein will be again in command . Of course, it never happened this late in the war.
What you talking about? Von Manstein was the guy behind the ardenne breakthrough in 1940 . Hitler was a clown
Nicely done :)
The biggest reason that the Germans lost was because they had to delay the invasion due to Italy's inability to control Greece & Yugoslavia & they had to send troops to help them. That was about a one month delay. That was the game changer right there!!!
In other words, germans can only be defeated by germans themselves...
No, wouldn't have mattered really
Germany was already losing by that point, but yes Italy’s failures certainly didn’t help
@@AlexPriceMusician It didn't bode well for them that they were landlocked except for the far northern part of the country&
@@AlexPriceMusician ( cont.) they didn't have a good strategic location like the U.K & U.S. The UK had the North Sea & their big powerful navy & the U.S Is too far away from those hostile countries & impossible to invade because of our Superior navy & Air Force!!! Just think about it,What country has a better strategic location than the U.S. ??? NOBODY!!!
Thanks!
Welcome!
This campagin was the epitimy of military force. No one before or after ever achived such victory against such overwhelming forces.
All based on the bravery and genius of von Lewinsky and the german forces.
Good video. A good watch too is the documentary Europa the last battle.
Van Meinstein was brilliant
but
EQUALLY important was the simplistic Soviet Army sprint strategy that often failed to anticipate the faints Manstein executed
This was the last major victory against that simplistic army which fought its way to Berlin while inflicting around 80% of the ground casualties on those brilliant masters of the battlefield. Germany lost because it was out fought, out produced and out commanded by those backward simpletons. Any other conclusion is either wrong or a lie.
Sadly Manstein was mocked for his great strategies. Some called him "Feldmarschall Rückzug" (Fieldmarschall Retreat). He should have been in charge from the start.
Anthony Quayle should be narrating this.
Beacon of hope. AI was here hehe but good video 😍
The book by Field Marshel von Manstein is not "lost victorys" it is "Victorys Lost". (I have the book.)
"Unstoppable"
@@Jdsofar😳
Never underestimate your enemy. That was Hitler's primary mistake.
Don’t forget another outstanding feldmarschall :
Walter Model
A great defensive general. He was not considered a great strategist, but was Hitler's fireman.
@@McDago100
He was of great personal courage
& considerate of his soldiers.
A true soldier’s soldier.
He was phony.
The only problem with this (classical) story-line is that it mainly relies on the sources available to western historians during the cold war: the memoires of the German generals, notably those of Manstein.... Of course, according to his own memoires, he was a true genius. Unfortunately for a more balanced historiography, Soviet/Russian sources are once again difficult to access.
Modern Military: in order to win in an attack you got to have a 3_1 numerical advantage!
Manstein: I'm down by 1_8, how about that?
Down 1:8 according to Manstein himself. There are debates about the exact figures
@@cybertronian2005 1:8 is correct. stop being so shocked by the numericals involved at the Eastern Front.
@@piyushsharan406 look at the figures cited by Eastern Front scholar David Glantz. it doesn't entirely tally with the Manstein version of events from his self-serving memoir
@cybertronian2005 it could also be that Glantz must have got it wrong. Who's to say?
@@piyushsharan406The only thing in dispute of the dates of which Glantz is correct but Glantz has the Soviet archive as his sources. Manstein used the best of his memory. Trying to remember everything down to individual days from a long war must have been very difficult at best.
Imagine if they played like this the whole time instead of trying to zerg rush Stalingrad and losing the entire 6th army.
20.40 Russian troops were not anywhere near Berlin in 1944 , also Operation Citadel was called off due to Allied invasion of Sicily not because the Germans were beaten, far from it , like they say "history is written by the winners' , like us bombing Berlin way before the Luftwaffe bombed London , never get taught that fact .
They waited 2 months hoping the brits would come to their senses and stop the bombings on civilians.. before finally retaliating on london.
And Hitler delayed way too many times which gave the Russians plenty of time to develop a strong anti defense.
@@christopherthrawn1333 Just like Ukraine did last year. Though, that's not the whole story
Filthy Wehraboos. This channel is always crawling with them.
Plainly wrong. Breakoff of Zitadelle Had nothing to do with Sicily
2:02 That guy looks a little tired.
great doc, and appreciate the American commentary, as usually I find them rather annoying but this lad was brilliant.
It’s AI!!!
Was the transcript for this video written by Manstein himself? Sounds like it……
Stalingrad; Kursk; Italy; Normandy; Bagration. Then no more reserves, no more fuel. Then the whole Army Group Centre disintergrated....
Kharkiv counter offensive. Joe telling us that Russia has already lost.
Crazy how history repeats itself.
As Karkov was happening, Americans were getting torched at Kasserine and UBoats were storming Hell in the Atlantic worse than ever. At the beginning of 1943 Germans had reasons to hope despite everything.
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage video about Kharkov Manstein operations, which orchestrated a potential strong hold foundation for the southern German army after Stalingrad disaster.historical recorded researchers without doubts .explored (feildmarshal) Manstein failed to rescue surrounded Six German army in Stalingrad pocket ,refused to donate permission to General Paulus for breaking out in suitable earlier times. in the meantime, he explained to Adolf Hitler ..hopeless circumstances of the 6th army in Stalingrad... indirectly encouraged (Adolf Hitler) to insist on ordering fighting to the last man in Stalingrad .
There was no chance for a breakout. The 6th Army was very short on fuel. Most transport horses had been sent back in October due to lack of fodder. Many tanks and trucks were not working due to a shortage of spare parts. The 6th Army was basically immobile in November 1942
Most of what you say is wrong,
Propaganda reported by post-war defeated Nazi generals. Like most of the comments on this video (come to think of it, the video itself too).
What did you base this on, Mansteins memoirs?
I can feel TIK begin to tweak
No maps? No list of forces?
Nope, just a poem to Manstein lol
Go find them yourself.
Good video with rare footage...we in the west focus on the Western front for decades in our media while showing the eastern front sparsely. Would have been a GREAT video if there were MORE MAPS! However, thankyou still.
Glad you liked it!
Did you use voice ai?
Yes this is AI
The pronunciation was killing me.
Retreat 500 kms to have enough reserves for one counter attack that very quickly runs out of steam is what a master strategist would do?
Straight from the Battle of Cannae, 216 BC, where Hannibal defeated a much larger Roman army by pretending to retreat in the middle, drawing the opponent in, then surrounding them with his flanks. The Romans were butchered. Manstein and most other officers in any army of any decade will have studied Hannibal's famous tactics at officers' school.
Von Manstein in regards to the Battle of Kursk, wanted to let the Soviets attack first, rhen "back hand" them again. He saw the at best the Germans could only have a draw in the east. But Hitler wanted to attack, using his new "toys". The Panthers and the Ferdinand Elephants. Both of which failed at the time, due to rushed prodecrion, without working out the "bugs" of the new armour first. Then with the aapox 200 Panthers in the south were led by a Colonol who didn't know what he was doing, and the Panthers had "green" crews. They immediately were better when a battalion was assigned to Grossdsdeuschland, and it's panzer regimental CO von Straschland.
Stalingrad was much longer than ONE MONTH ! DORK !
had AH not micromanaged,Mannstein could have delievered a devastating blow to the reds
The German loss at Stalingrad lays totally on the shoulders of Adolph Hitler. They could have bypassed the city and taken the oil fields, which were their actual objective. Hitler caused them to become in trapped in a city of ruins in the middle of a harsh winter.
They never could have taken the oil fields. Also not securing Stalingrad would have still left their northern flank exposed during the drive to the Caucuses. Even if they did somehow manage to get their the oil fields would have already been destroyed, just like they were at Maikop.
I've heard that debate and also if i recall correctly the argument that Hitler suddenly divided the force in two - sending half to Stalingrad and the rest to the Caucasus hence neither force really had the strength to capture their objectives. He got greedy...
No, it was the vast amount of traitors in the General Staff and German army that caused the Stalingrad disaster. Multiple divisions and vast amounts of equipment and fuel was sent all over the place instead of where it was needed.
@@andrewcoons8060 Traitors? What about sending an entire army to a city you have no need for, and then allowing a retreat only AFTER your army was encircled. The idea that Stalingrad be held at all costs is a complete nonstarter from a strategic point of view, but that's not how Hitler saw things so thats not how it went. Willingly getting involved in close quarters urban combat when you're campaign requires swift maneuvering is simply dumb, it was a dumb battle that Hitler fought willingly, thus it is entirely his fault, no matter the extent to which the general staff were traitors (in 1942? These same men fought a lost cause valiantly for three more years and they traitors then?) or how mismanaged it was.
@@davidjackson2179 Good point no doubt. I’m just stating what their objective was, and that occupying Stalingrad was unnecessary. It ended up with the loss of 600,000 of the finest troops of the war
Good stuff, but "Vaughn" Mannstein? Who dat? 😂
16:01
Looks like a FW190 Luftwaffe fighter.
You’re right. Nice spot 👍
@@richardsmyth305
I had to view it at .25 speed & freeze frame. Looks like a later model called ‘long nose’
There’s a full video of it somewhere
The Luftwaffe put great expectations on it but in the end it proved disappointing.
The young pilots in the later part of the war, their courage not in cause, were not always able to make the most of their new machines.
"Ver macht"
The narrator might be an AI voiceover.
@@airplanebuilder8685 Sucky is sucky.
@@airplanebuilder8685 Yes it is
Luftwaffle, mmmhhh
Y mi tiio abuelo y sus 20 hombres ,bajo el mando de Von Monstein, haciendo de las suyas detras de las líneas soviéticas. Werhmacht!!🩵💪
I take it the narration was done by AI? Because some of the pronunciation is abysmal
After Stalingrad the war was lost for Germany. El Alamein in Egypt just sealed the deal. If Hitler had allowed strategic withdrawals the war might have lasted another year or two and the Germans might have gotten some terms they could live with.
The German army had a disadvantage in its leader trying to run the show with out proper knowledge. This was largely negated by Russia's leader in a bloodthirsty panic to eliminate all opposition by killing the officer Corp of his own forces, leaving them essentially leaderless during the German invasion.
The Russian forces captured a lot of ground after the fall of Stalingrad but they outran their fuel and ammunition supply lines and that left them badly exposed to Manstein's counterattack, simple as that.
Manstein, war criminal...for telling the f---king truth, that truth still stands today. Peace and goodwill.
That was painful. Someone should review the narrative and remove the word salad.
You must have a very limited grasp of english
His name is pronounced Fon Mahn-stein, and the army he commanded was pronounced Vehr-macht!
That counterattack surely had not been discussed at the FHQ - the source of treason...
One thing the Waffen SS always possessed was unwavering self-confidence.
self over-confidence
How do you know, you weren’t there.
@@juncondoonflanjacontose7399 Yes I was clown.
@@alexfromboston8303 lol 😂
Isn't it VERE-macht? Not whear-mact?
The Soviets ended up winning the war, Manstein's success was short lived.
Even Kursk could be another victory for Field Marshall von Manstein had Hitler not intervened. Von Manstein wanted to attack Kursk as soon as possible but the German dictator messed up and made another German victory utterly impossible!
It would be lovely, if the speaker had learnt to pronounce the fieldmarshal's name correctly.
Look at your name.
@@juncondoonflanjacontose7399 I looked at it. Now what?
@@wotan20 good. Now shut your mouth.
@@juncondoonflanjacontose7399 Make me, you hero of the Internet.
Didn't Manstein convicted Hitler that the 6th army surrounded in Stalingrad shouldn't make an attempt to break out when he Manstein launched his relief attack operation Winterstorm? Well it's highly unlikely that the 6th army would've made it out regardless if they supported Manstein's attack. But it shows that Manstein had blundered before.
Besides wasn't the success of the Kharkov offensive super exaggerated? Some Historians made it seem like Manstein was up against a soviet force 8 times larger when in fact is more like 2 to one since soviet divisions where much smaller then German ones.
Then you have the battle of Kursk where it was clear that the Germans have failed to achieve their objective of encircling red army units around Kursk as heer units where exhausted and units where needed in Italy due to allied landings in southern Italy. Mainstein tried everything to convince Hitler to keep up the Kursk offensive when it was quite clear the battle was over.
3:51 ->
Not because of their nationality but because they were not as well equipped as the Germanazis.
good lord man, look into another career
Shut your mouth.
It was Manstein who advised the supreme war lord not to order the sixth army to break out at Stalingrad, thereby dooming them. Manstein's relief effort to "save" the sixth army after dooming them was a dismal failure. Manstein's next failure was at Kursk where he was again soundly defeated. He was then defeated at the fourth battle of Kharkov. Eventually the supreme warlord tired of him and dismissed him.
I may be mistaken here. But in regards to Stalingrad. When Manstein was put in command of the still forming Army Group Dawn. He recommended that the 6th army hold its position. But just 3 days later after having a better understanding of the situation. He told Hitler that the 6th army would have to break out if it was to survive. But the problem with simply allowing the 6th army to withdraw. Was the fact that the main reason Army Group B (the 6th army) was initially sent to stalingrad in the first place was to protect the flank of the main German force In Southern Russia (Army Group A).
Meaning if the 6th Army withdrew from Stalingrad. Army Group A would have been cut off and destroyed. Which would have been a far bigger blow to the Germans than the loss sustained at Stalingrad.
The only way to save the situation was for the 6th army to hold its position until Army Group Dawn arrived and could form a new defensive front capable of holding the Russians back and preventing an even larger and strategically more important German army group (Army Group A) from being destroyed.
Manstein did what he could with what he had.
In regards to the Battle of Kursk. Manstein did not want to fight the battle of Kursk. At least not in the manner he was forced to. Manstein proposed a plan similar to the strategy he used to stop the Russian advance after stalingrad. A feat considered by many. To be nothing short of a miracle. Which is why Mansteins success against the Russians during this critical time. Is often referred to as "Mansteins Miracle". Manstein wanted the German forces in the east to shift to the defensive. Hitler refused and manstein was forced to alter his strategy to conform to Hitlers wishes.
Also Manstein wanted to attack far earlier than Hitler allowed him to.
Not only that but Hitler was also forced to repeatedly weaken the Forces available to Manstein for the operation in order to deal with other threats on other fronts. Manstein did not have operational freedom and his strategies were formed based on what Hitler would allow him to do. To place the majority of the blame for the defeat at Kursk on Manstein. Seems short sided. No offense intented. And even with the disadvantages manstein faced at Kursk. His performance was far better than you seem to be giving him credit for.
Manstein was dismissed this is true. But his dismissal was ordered by a military incompetent, who valued party loyalty and yes men. And considering Manstein was famous for his arguments with Hitler over strategic decisions. I think it's safe to say that Manstein was not the kind of yes men. That Hitler favored.
Manstein is considered to be one of the greatest military minds of the 20th century. And his career both during and after world War 2 reflected that.
But these are just my opinions. I could be totally wrong as I won't pretend to be some great world War 2 expert. And I freely admit that I may not know enough to form a more accurate opinion on this subject
Finally, someone not repeating pro-nazi propaganda. Edit: The OP, not this dumb reply.
You mislead,e.g. Field Marshel von Manstein did not lose at "Kursk". Hitler called off the attack, because of the Italian Invasion. Hitler transferred troops from "Kursk" to Italy. "Victorys Lost".
@CharlesFlato-wn2qf No dude Kursk was a defeat for the Germans and a massive one at that. Yes Hitler called off the operation and yes Manstein wanted to continue. Weather he wanted to continue because he truly thought victory was possible, or weather he wanted to continue simply because he knew that Kursk was the last chance the Germans had to possibly save the war. I'm not sure. But it's irrelevant. It was a defeat regardless of who holds the most blame. Manstein was not given operational freedom and that alone may have sealed the defeat at kursk and for the entire war. But at the end of the day. Defeat is defeat.
I agree that the fool your responding to is rather ignorant in regards to Manstein as he was easily one of the greatest commanders of the 20th century, and his comment paints an inaccurate picture of Manstein to say the least
Manstien won at Kursk it was Hitler who confided in secret that the thought of the Kursk offenceiff made his stomach churn.
HIS BOTTLE HAD GONE.
Manstien defeated the Southern sector tanks, and said to Hitler right I am ready to either encircle the Russians or advance.
Hitler called off the attack.
His attempt to save the 6 army was all anyone could do.
It was up to Paulous to break out.
His retake of Krakof was a master stroke.
If Hitler had listened to him on the Eastern front he would have stableised it.
I would say that he was the Wehrmachts Einstein.
Shame that the Nazis wasted so much human resources.
Not a shame that they lost.
Of course Hitler would command to hold, he had a Holocaust going on in the back. Unfortunarelly the Russians couldn't stop that earlier. Thank You v. Manstein!
Great minds serving an evil cause.
Great documentary. Pronunciaton of Von Manstein is not good. The Germans pronounce it different.
If Manstein or Guderian would be in place of Hitler, todays geography would be much different...
Not in the way you think. They would have given up sooner, because actual military men know when a war is lost.
@@rickglorie Military man know how capable their army is and how to achieve their goals. If you have a psycho, megalomaniac in chief this is the result. Without opening simultaneously all fronts they had the war could've been ended differently.
Far North was the slovac army, in the south was romanian army, german army play the weak point ... by retreating !
It's von Manstein not Von Manstein
Shut your mouth Toa.
“Russia is finished “ they never stopped saying that uhm? 2 MORE WEEKS 😂😂😂😂😂
Time was on Russia’s side…
By 1943 war was lost..Germany had an angry bull by the horns
Wheremacht?
Theremacht!
The Germans lost Kharkov few months later and definitively while the idiot Manstein wanted to stay in Kursk. Hitler had to order him to go quickly to help the poor germans in the Donbass. And they lost Kharkov AND the Donbass. Manstein was an abysmal strategist. He didn't have a clear idea of what was the situation on the southern font. He was just a good tactician focused on a limited field. The fact that in Stalingrad he was unable to prevent the collapse of the Don front says it all.
Manstein was unable to see it? How about Hitler refusing to allow the sixth army to retreat?
@@lucasdamotta2931 read my post. Manstein was an abysmal strategist. He did not understand the front after Uranus. May I remind you that Paulus asked his superior Manstein many times the order to retreat ? Manstein did not reply. Guderian and Von Rundstedt were far more courageous in 1941 in desobeying Hitler's orders. Furthermore, the retreat of Paulus would only have saved the tiny remnant of the VIth. But Manstein preferred his career to thousands of German lives. And the stupidity of Thunderstorm reveals a carrierist and a poor strategist, like in Kursk later.
Yawhorl!
Manstein was NOT a Von. His last name was Lewinski and took his sister's husbands name! Kids today don't know shit because our schools stopped educating in the 80's.
I fucking hate AI. It was hard enough to wade through the BS video before it came along.
Great content but the pronunciation is criminal
Germany thankfully lost but they did few mistakes. 1 was underestimating the Russians . In 1941 , the red army had way better technology and tanks. The t-34 90mm armor couldn't get penetrated by any german guns. They used captured soviet 76mm guns to fight them. Their panzer were totally outgunned and out armored. They still held the advantage thanks to their organisation.
If stalin didn't purge the soviet command before the war. The operation barbarossa would be a huge FLOP. And berlin would be breached by 1942 or 1943
It was from june 1942 that Germany produced firepower who can rival soviet. But lack of fuel , and the russian war machine being 5 times more active, made it unfavorable for any german victory. In 1943 german production aimed toward quality over quantity and they produced the Tiger/panther. The first year inferior technology is what messed them up
Let’s not forget it was American trucks that mobilized the Russian reserves during not only the battle of Stalingrad but also for the rest of the war.
Sure in the winter of 41/42 the Soviets were on their own. But it was land lease who fed and mobilized the Soviets to a great degree from Stalingrad onwards.
Of course the Soviets had to down play the role of land lease but the tonnage in land lease was staggering. It allowed the Soviets to focus on certain life saving materials but it was at that juncture when the threat of famine was looming (German occupation of Ukraine) when land lease tipped the balance.
I would also like to point out the statistics on the ground in real numbers allowed the Germans to take risks. But that would come back to haunt them when the Soviets gathered million men and plenty of supplies allowing the Germans to be surrounded at Stalingrad. It was land lease and trucks which allowed that attack to happen while maintaining the whole front.
I’m not taking away from the Soviets slaughter, sacrifice and ability to mobile and beat the best of the best! But they never could’ve done it on their own without the whole world turning on a country the size of Texas.
It’s why the British never regarded peace with Germany as an option. The rest is history!
Let’s not forget for the average westerner our relation with the Soviets was nothing more than out of convenience. The enemy of my enemy is my friend!
With that said, this is why in 2024 I wish the Germans won the war in the East!
Why you ask? Because once the war was over in 1945 the enemy of enemy was now the Germans so I can say their cause in the East was just!
And thanks to that war we are now occupied by a hostile elite globally who hate our history, culture and people! And they are doing their best to reshape everything the West fought for by giving it away at our detriment.
The origins of our demise has its roots in WWII.
“We fought the wrong enemy”
And now we’re being occupied and destroyed!
Worth looking at this from a different angle. Russia are not the Soviets. It’s worth looking into who was behind the funding of the bolsheviks and inserting communism/ overthrowing the Czar. The same people that were behind it then are doing it here in the US now. Our enemy is not there
Take your medicine, grandpa.
Agree. Destroying Germany was also the destruction of Europe. Foolish Brits and their US stooges done it not once but TWICE.
Although this considers a success operation, but it was actually a somewhat defeat to the German army. AH has his point though, to hold on to the front instead of retreat because he know, when the South army retreated, it was the end to the German army. It’s only matter of time before they run out of fuel. A defeat at Stalingrad really the defeat of the whole war.
It´s bizarre alright. Know what drives wars and humans pyschological buildup. What makes it all tick within the system and why is the system what it is.
Now with what we know isn´t it "bizarre" to believe in a communism since what do you believe in then, humans and/or the political ideology.
I hesitate to type here since i just get followed around for censorship purposes but i will not let that win neither.
Error, i pointed out just ONE of the two, that could be misinterpreted.
Makes little difference to me since it´s not the point with what i wrote, "will we eventually exterminate oursleves the human race".
Yes, if something does not intervene.
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Interesting subject, but I gave up quickly as I cannot stand the narration voice and the mispronounciations.
Bro why did you rate this with chat got
This is bullshit
This is a Manstein love fest. What silly narration. Manstein failed in operation winter storm, had a modest victory at Kharkov, then lost again at Kursk and then again at Cherkassy/Dnieper campaign.
In order to win, you have to have basic necessities in order to win. Manstein had worn out divisions that were mirror images of their former selves. The logistical supply line broke down as the war went on. What won the war was men and material. Manstein always did the best with what he had and his record shows it. Soviet Marshal Malinovsky even said: "We feared the the dreaded Von Manstein." His battlefield abilities in every aspect are unequalled."
Hitler Ruined the Wermacht.
7 minutes in and so far it's just been rephrases of how great Manstein is. Literally padded with reiterative babble. Unliked.
The narration of this video was extremely poor mispronunciation of many German names and words and overall the text leaves a lot to be desired! Can you pronounce the word WERMACHT ? THERE IS NO "W sound it sounds like Vermacht!
and so what, this is not a pronunciation contest, wenn du ein deutscher bist dann wirst wohl wissen um was es geht, du dolm
Wake up for heavens sake
the voice is a bot
You can at least attempt to pronounce the German names right.
The idea of letting your enemy advance and then counter attacking on his flanks was adopted by NATO and was the plan to stop the Russians on the north Europe plan.
Seeing how bad the Russian army is even to this day, it would probably have worked.
Some poor pronunciations in this vid.
It’s AI. Get used to it.
STOP mispronouncing Wehrmacht.
SAY
VARE (like DARE)
MOCKED
600,000 German losses at Stalingrad?
An Army Group and a Battle Group are 2 entirely different units.
Germany was far from collapse because of Stalingrad.
Too many errors in such a short time. Unsubscribed.
I think he probably meant soviet losses also(but weren't they around 700,000?) Axis casualties are estimated at around 250,000.
@@heermannmorrer 750,000 soviet casualties and 800,000 axis casualties. including Germany and its allied armies like the italians, hungarians etc.
Unsubscribing because of a fact you don't even get right. Lmao.
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I meant the direct losses at the city itself, not those of the Wolga and Don offensives that led to the encirclement.(Operation Uranus) The Italians,Hungarians and Romanians were stationed not at the city itself, but at the surrounding frontiers. They were surely also annihilated, but not in Stalingrd directly.(Only the Romanians send a divison there i think)
Crap pronunciation annoys me