Agree. Always uses facts and stays objective. Most of these talking heads refuse to change their minds when presented new evidence but he always stays open minded
Anthony Celestin have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess. Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
LOL Harden does not have way more help the Westbrook. Westbrook should get MVP no doubt, but people acting like Harden's has a strong supporting cast, it's ok both teams have no all stars and take both players off the team no one is playing playoffs. It's Mike D'Antoni more than anything, his system is way better than OKC's coach.
Russell Westbrook is the NBA MVP for sure! We have to give credit where it is due and respect the season that this man is having. Harden is having an unbelievable season but what Russ is doing is Legendary, and will go down in history forever!
Ifijwsi Euw1627 That's why I said a few weeks ago that this was the hardest MVP race to decide between two people. You can't be mad if either wins the award. But in my opinion it's Russ. Two weeks ago I was with Harden but now Russ has made me a believer. I'm not mad at your argument at all bro.
Ifijwsi Euw1627 have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess. Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
difference between Drose MVP year and Russell Westbrook Drose didn't care about stats he cared about Ws and Russell only cares about he's triple doubles.
Harden's season is great but will it be remembered 20 years from now? No. Westbrook's season will be remembered for the rest of time. Westbrook is the MVP.
The #1 seed in the eastern conference won 6 more games than the 6th seed in the western...so is Westbrook's team really not winning or is is the conference??? Westbrook is the MVP - PERIOD!!! James Harden is really good but Westbrook was just better
SuperKool500 I know. it's all the haters that just don't like Westbrook. can't do much. there's always haters surrounding us and can't appreciate how hard to get triple double. like what Chris said if it's so easy to get triple double how come LeBron or Jordan when they were by themselves couldn't achieve this. haters always going to hate man
People criticize Westbrook so much? Has Chris seen the hate toward James harden, he was the most hated and criticized player in the NBA last year, and now he's proved everyone wrong after he was robbed in 2015 for having a worse record than the other guy in the race, now he's gonna get robbed for having a better record than the other guy? He has a better record this year, and only 2 rebounds less than a triple double, it's disrespectful to have Westbrook above him in the race with Westbrook having a much worse record
"What James Harden is doing is remarkable but what Russell Westbrook is doing is incomprehensible." Tim Legler Russell Westbrook is not getting any credit for averaging a triple double because apparently it's not a big deal but players like Lebron get praised for their perceived ability to average a triple double without actually doing it. Russell Westbrook already got cheated out of an all star starting position while averaging a triple double. If Russell Westbrook is making history on a gamely basis and he should be rewarded with the NBA MVP.
people said that Steph Curry was overrated last year because he won the MVP, but lost in the finals. If Westbrook wins the MVP but doesn't get to the finals, does that make him overrated?
Chris B way different. people were saying he was overrated not that his stats were overated. also curry went to the finals. Narrative is what is driving russ. harden is only 2 rebounds from a td. When it was clear that he was averaging a td, his team also helped him.
People got to understand that it's not like harden is averaging 25,5, and 5, he's averaging 29,8, and 11 with probably 55 wins at the end of the season. There isn't a second all star on the team and he's damn close to averaging a triple double himself. Nobody is saying Russell isn't having a historic year, but so is James harden and he his team has a much better record and he's most likely going to outplay Westbrook in the playoffs since they are going to meet in the first round.
Steve Steve Exactly people keep talking about Westbrook and his TD but it's already been done before and Big O didn't win MVP but Hardens done something that no one's ever done he scored 2000 pts and 2000 pts asst the only player in NBA history to do it
BankrollC Gaming Harden is doing the same thing Westbrook is, leading his team to the playoffs. The 3 seed and 6 seed don't matter neither team will make it out of the second round after facing each other. Just like the seeding isn't gonna make a difference in the playoffs why should a higher seed elevate Harden over Westbrook for MVP. Westbrook will finish the season averaging a triple double with the most triple doubles in a season in league history. Harden will end the season with great numbers and a second round exit if they can beat the thunder in the first round. Westbrook is the MVP people remember history no one remembers 3rd place and almost a triple double.
I'll take Javell McGee stats to be #1 seed over 29, 8, 11 and 3rd seed whats your point? Also Harden aint outplaying Westrbook, his team will out score his team but it wont be cause of Harden.
I agree with Shannon in this one. Why is it so much better if a player averages 30-10-10, over a player who averages 29-11-8? Those 2 rebounds per game make all the difference in the world? Triple double is a great achievement, but after all it s just another stat. We dont need to overreact about it. On the other hand those 8 more wins mean a lot, especially if they get you to the 3rd seed , in comparison to the 6th seed that OKC is now. And one other thing that Broussard mentions all the time: 'Why didnt anyone average a TD before, not even Lebron or MJ?' The answer is simple , because they didnt have it as a goal. This year Lebron has 26-8,8-8,6 and he s not even trying that hard,plus he s 32. If he told his teammates 'let me get all the defensive rebounds' like Russ does, do u think it would be that hard for him to average a TD? And i m not saying its something easy that many players could have done if they wanted to, but its not a once in a lifetime thing like many people make it to be.
Joshua McClellan but thats the thing. No one is trying to average a triple double. It takes a lot from the body and russ being an athletic freak can do it. Lebron can do it if he set out to do it but that takes away from the 3,4 and 5 position, stats wise. GSW set out to beat the bulls record, they didnt get it as a surprise.
Joshua McClellan his point isn't that anybody can do it, he's saying there are people in the league right now who if wanted to could average a triple double , harden could easily have asked for two freebie boards a game and there ya go
This has only happened once in the history of the league, and the only other player to do it averaged 10 more minutes of playing time and had an extra 20 possessions per game because of the different pace of play. Not just anyone could do it for the whole season. A few rare athletes, like Lebron or Magic Johnson, could attempt it, but even they know how difficult it really is to maintain for 82 games.
75erick75 Don't forget that that other person who did got close twice. He got 76 games into a season averaging a triple double but ended with 9.9 rebounds per game. The best closest after Russ and Big O that isn't Oscar is magic at like 18.
Westbrook!!!!. If he doesn't get it then just throw away the triple-double as a talking point/stat. Take Harden off his team and they're still pretty good. Take Rus off OKC and they're a 10th seed. His player efficiency rating is tops also
True i forget pop, i hate to see all those talent of russ to get wasted if he doesn't win a championship,the guy is that great,he has some characters of Kobe and MJ those killer instincts competitiveness fight dedication he doesn't care who you are he will come after you,love him and I respect him
Karr S Westbrook would destroy the Spurs, Kawhi is a far better player, wouldn't need him, and it would just make that team worse. Poppovich doesn't want a guy on his team that shoots 43% for his career, is a notorious ball hog and choker, and turnover machine. Completely backwards from the Spurs culture of being an efficient passing offense.
Yeah.... I don't think you'd want Westbrook. Unless he listens to Pop and completely changes his style of play, he'd completely ruin the offensive system and his defensive awareness discrepancies would only make it worse.
What exactly does Skip mean by Harden is a product of D'Antoni's system? last time I checked Harden was averaging AT LEAST 25 points/5 rebounds/6 assists in every season before D'Antoni...
right people all a sudden forgot about the history harden has made 3 times this year to the point he is the only man ever to do all 3. Oh lets forget all that for a record a man has already accomplished 55 years ago. I think I know which side of history id prefer to be on.
Everyone saying Westbrook MVP cause of the 57 point triple double but harden had a 53/17/16 game taking 26 shots while Westbrook jacked up 40. And no one has ever said a negative thing about Hardens MVP case. They say positive and negative things about Westbrook and still pick him Even though they only say positive things about harden. If you say " hardens supporting cast is better, Russell is doing more work" you're wrong. Everyone has the thunder like 5 seed this year as a prediction. And a lot of people slept on Houston including me. Westbrook's supporting cast WAS better but harden made his supporting cast better and that is why he is the MVP.
How so? His team is winning!! Plus, it's an individual award. And if wins matter THAT much, then give it to Kawhi or Isaiah Thomas, because they have the #1 seeds right now.
Have you ever thought that maybe Russell's teammates are underperforming because of him? He's the primary ball handler. It's his job to create shots for his teammates. In fact, not just shots. But GOOD shots. Here's the thing. Russell is not a good point guard. He's just not. He's a shoot first point guard with none of the skills that can make his teammates better. His 32-9 record while having a triple double is irrelevant because he isn't averaging a triple double against teams that are above a .500 record. Listen, average a triple double is treated like the dessert when really it should be treated like the cherry on top of the dessert. His entire game is mediocre. He's all flashiness and no substance. But here's the important part. All this MVP talk, I don't blame Westbrook for. I blame it on the media like these guys here. They're willfully blinded by the triple doubles. They don't care about anything else. It's just the truth. And that's when you know a player doesn't actually have an MVP case. Triple doubles is all Westbrook is good for this season. And if you think that's enough, you're being ignorant for the sake of wanting to say something is a great achievement. And I'm also tired of people acting like Westbrook gets bonus points for being left behind by KD. Pity votes are not real votes.
Roaming Shaman Russ is also towards the bottom on challenging 3-pointers. Deandte Jordan has challenged more 3s than him. That just proves how overrated at times his defense is, just because he's averaging almost 2 steals a game that doesn't mean he's a good defender. Heck curry averaged 2 steals in his first mvp season and people still threw shade at him for his defense even though I believe that he (Curry) is a pretty decent defender
KD's most efficient year in his career has been this one(53.7% over all field goal percentage), playing with a real point guard in Steph Curry. Someone who actually creates good shots for people. You're mistaken to think that because KD was great with Russell Westbrook, it was BECAUSE of Russell Westbrook that he was great. That just isn't true.
Whether GSW needs KD or not is irrelevant. Stop trying to pivot the argument. It's about whether KD plays better with an actual point guard than a guy who masquerades as one. The answer? He plays better with Steph Curry. But unlike you, I'm not stupid. I don't believe that any point guard is the sole reason for KD's success as a player. KD would succeed with any point guard because he's an incredible player. But this is about who he plays better with and it's clearly Steph. And Curry got worse? Lol. Bruh, when you have one of the greatest individual seasons ever, there's nowhere to go but down. At least statistically speaking. If we're being real, Curry has done more for his team this year than he probably ever has.
It shouldnt be a discussion. Guy is averaging a triple double and on the verge of breaking the all time record. His team is also winning. Im not saying they the best in the West but at least they winning. Harden is having a breakout season but Westbrook is having a historical one. Legit no one has had a season like his since Oscar Robinson and we might not even see something like this again.
In terms of starting lineups: Steven Adams > Clint Capela (no real discussion imo.) Domantas Sabonis < Ryan Anderson (Ryan Anderson is just an overall better version of Sabonis, so no real discussion here either imo.) Andre Roberson < Trevor Ariza (Ariza is still the overall better player, but people are SLEEPING on Roberson’s defense - AR is an All-Defensive Team caliber player, meanwhile Ariza is not as good as he used to be, however he still gets the edge here solely because of his offense.) Victor Oladipo > Patrick Beverley (I love Beverley, but Oladipo is just overall more athletic and is way better offensively) Which leaves us with Westbrook & Harden, which pretty much is a toss-up, right? I mean, previously people would definitely bring up Harden’s defense, but if you would actually watch the NBA this season, you would see that Harden is way more committed to playing defense, meanwhile Westbrook chases rebounds and leaves his man open to shoot. Just look at Kemba Walker recently hitting 6 threes against OKC (granted, not all those shots were against Westbrook, but still) and Patty Mills hitting 3 threes against OKC, one of them being in a situation, where Patty was open in the corner, while Westbrook only focused on getting the rebound, and this was in a critical point in the game and part of the comeback where Spurs came back from like a 20-point deficit… Westbrook is definitely the better defensive player if we look at previous seasons, however we have to judge Harden and Westbrook on how they are playing THIS YEAR, when we are having a MVP-discussion. And THIS YEAR, Westbrook’s defense isn’t really much better than Harden’s. On the other hand, Harden is just the overall better offensive player: Harden is the better shooter, and I am actually also starting to think that he’s the better playmaker of the two. I know people will just say, “Well, Harden is surrounded by shooters,which is an unfair advantage”. To those people I would say that if you look at Harden’s work with Clint Capela and Nene this year, you would really be impressed by his playmaking. Harden is giving Capela and Nene an easy 6 points each per game. These reasons are why I’m annoyed when Chris Broussard just says something like, “I think we are underestimating the achievement of getting triple-doubles”. Well, a triple-double is really impressive, don’t get me wrong, but winning will always be more important. And besides, Harden just needs two more rebounds per game to average a triple-double,so it’s not like that is too farfetched, and I will guarantee you that Harden would also average a triple-double, if he had Capela, Nene, Ariza, and others box out the opposing team’s big men, while Harden just scoops in and grab the rebound like what Westbrook and the Thunder team are doing many times a game. And Then Chris Broussard compares today's NBA to the NBA of the 80s and 90s by saying that Michael Jordan never averaged a triple double? What? So are you saying that Westbrook would get 10 rebounds per game with real big men like Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, Moses Malone?... Not a chance! Meanwhile, we are now in a more small ball kinda era, which means more rebounds for guards because of the long rebounds from threes. Imo. Harden's stats are overall just as good as Westbrook. Harden has more assists than Westbrook (Which is what you want from your playmaker) Harden has better shooting percentages (YES, that is important) Westbrook has more rebounds (But is it really that important for a guard to have many rebounds?) Westbrook has more points (But again, Harden shoots better in terms of %) Harden is my pick for 2016-2017 NBA MVP.
averaging the most accounted for points per game of all time is more impressive to me in the way harden gets it done than the way Russ gets his trip dubs in my opinion
Harden will win the voters are smart enough to see past Westbrook's cherry picked triple double. Also all the voters will have Harden at least in their top 2 I don't think they all will have Westbrook in their top 2. Remember it's about total MVP points. Also the NBA are not allowing NBA team broadcasters to vote anymore and I think they would have favored Russell. Chris and Skip are acting like Pringles made Harden a MVP candidate when Harden has been a MVP candidate for the past two years.
Shannon doesn't understand how hard it is for this to happen, if you gave him the example of a receiver getting 150 yards a game on 8-10 passes he'd understand
James harden is almost averaging a triple double, it's just a fancy number/stat.Harden averages more assists and points. Most of Westbrooks rebounds are ones where his big men move out of the way.I think they should be co MVPs
Harden getting robbed again its sad. But its OK harden will kick russel out in the first round. The only thing russ got over harden are the rebounds and we all know how he gets them.
Westrook can have the MVP from stat padding and his teamates letting him get rebounds and taking them from teamates. He can also take the L when he goes home in the first round.
Steven Adams is facing teams throwing double teams on him to assist with boxing him out or teams just clogging the lane to prevent lane drives by Russ, or just simple zone schemes since OKC has no consistent shooters.
if you think harden is the mvp let me tell you his team doesnt need him to be successful they still might be in the playoffs without him. hes terrible in the clutch (look up the stats) hes got shooters everywhere & only avg 11 assists? no. stop.
jaredxcantrell if Harden wasn't on that Houston team it wouldn't be a houston team. They built the team just to fit James Style. So without James harden none of the guys would even be In Houston now doin what they're doin around The Beard. #Beard4MVP
Only player on history to assist on 2000 points and score 2000 points in a season. Lmao "only" 11 assists? 😂😂. Why does Russ have 300 shots more than the rest of the league? 😂
Shannon is right. Harden should be MVP. Harden and Russ are having comparable individual seasons. In that situation, TEAM SUCCESS has always been the deciding factor. That was the excuse when Rose won MVP over Lebron in 2011. It was the excuse when KD won MVP over Lebron in 2014. And it was the excuse when Curry won MVP over Harden in 2015. But for some reason, the media wants to ignore it this year. The MVP award has become too narrative-driven.
Nah this is Russ' year. 30 years from now nobody is going to know who won MVP this year, but they will remember Russ averaging a triple-double. Gotta give it to the guy making history. Plus, it's not like his team ain't winning. They are winning, and they are winning BECAUSE of his triple-doubles.
Ma Jo have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess. Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
99 stop hating on harden. You wanna talk about who made there team a mess look at russell he is part of the reason kd left CAUSE HE WANTS THE FAME AND JUST WANTS HIS TEAMMATES TO BACK HIM UP
Shannon is in a world of his own, he tried to say if James takes more shots he will get more points, assuming he can keep up his field goal percentage...
i am die hard kobe fan and i was sceptical about russ all season long.( rebounds, padding vsvs) but more i watch this dude more i see the mamba in him.(not literally adshuahdasjd) i even defended hardens case on mvp several times. but man, he is M V P. PERİOD. at least for me.
Both r having great seasons, its a shame one of them wont win mvp but i think u have to give it to russel, triple double man.... and the guy is a POINT GUARD!!
When people argue for Russ I wish they would mention that the Thunder lost KEVIN DURANT 9 months ago and got nothing in return but are on pace to lose 10 more games compared to last year. And last year they had the 73-9 win Warriors down 3-1.
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Broussard should have his own show
James Son he does kinda
James Son he has a podcast instead
James Son i know!
His podcast In The Zone
James Son i ageee chris is awesome and so knowledgeable when it comes to the nba
I'm quickly becoming a huge fan of Chris Broussard. Dude is so knowledgeable and owns every debate with facts and logic.
yeah I've never seen him be bias either
Deric Gregory facts, bro, Mr. Broussard brought🔥🔥🔥 to the debate table
Agree. Always uses facts and stays objective. Most of these talking heads refuse to change their minds when presented new evidence but he always stays open minded
Baron Bolanos he can be a bit biased at times when they talk about LeBron, but he's not Shannon level biased. Chris is objective
Facts.. He's never biased about anything
Shannon is dead wrong, Harden is having an incredible year... but Russ is having an ALL TIME great year. He is the MVP.
Harden has made history more then once to the point no man has ever done it in the nba history. Westbrook is doing what a man has aready done b4.
that's just not tru
Darius Sims agree to the max with you bro
Darius Sims has anyone averaged a triple double while playing less than 36 mins a game?
Erik H How can an opinion be wrong?
Shannon the Rockets have already beat the Warriors record for threes by making over 10000, Harden has way more help than Westbrook
Anthony Celestin too many 0's bro
Anthony Celestin have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course
No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess.
Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
Anthony that's because they take 40 3's a game. Last year's Warriors (whose record they beat) took 31 per game.
LOL Harden does not have way more help the Westbrook. Westbrook should get MVP no doubt, but people acting like Harden's has a strong supporting cast, it's ok both teams have no all stars and take both players off the team no one is playing playoffs. It's Mike D'Antoni more than anything, his system is way better than OKC's coach.
Anthony Celestin he doesn't see that. He's one of those clueless Harden fans
Russell Westbrook is the NBA MVP for sure! We have to give credit where it is due and respect the season that this man is having. Harden is having an unbelievable season but what Russ is doing is Legendary, and will go down in history forever!
KION BROWN Harden is averaging two less rebounds. Two rebounds.. he has more wins and better percentages. Harden is the MVP
KION BROWN L
Ifijwsi Euw1627 That's why I said a few weeks ago that this was the hardest MVP race to decide between two people. You can't be mad if either wins the award. But in my opinion it's Russ. Two weeks ago I was with Harden but now Russ has made me a believer. I'm not mad at your argument at all bro.
rushking20 #TerribleTowels What is your opinion on it bro?
Ifijwsi Euw1627 have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course
No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess.
Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
difference between Drose MVP year and Russell Westbrook
Drose didn't care about stats he cared about Ws and Russell only cares about he's triple doubles.
***** nothing about it bro just Comparing two MVP'S well 1 future MVP
It's no longer the MVP it's the best player of the year award. If there is a real MVP award it would be Westbrook
Harden's season is great but will it be remembered 20 years from now? No. Westbrook's season will be remembered for the rest of time. Westbrook is the MVP.
The #1 seed in the eastern conference won 6 more games than the 6th seed in the western...so is Westbrook's team really not winning or is is the conference??? Westbrook is the MVP - PERIOD!!! James Harden is really good but Westbrook was just better
2 more Rebounds or 8 more Wins? Wins matter more so gotta go with The Beard
Deion Leake in this case they don't history matters more than 3rd place.
how come the only stats people care about are points, rebounds, and assists?
Harden GOAT what are you trying to say?
MyTeamMobileGod that there's way more important stats than those
Take Westbrick off OKC they win 10 games, take Harden off Houston they still win 30 games.
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Harden is mvp
how?? Westbrook is doing more with less than harden he's way more valuable to his team than harden is to houston
they'd both win 25+. thunder have talent.
SuperKool500 I know. it's all the haters that just don't like Westbrook. can't do much. there's always haters surrounding us and can't appreciate how hard to get triple double. like what Chris said if it's so easy to get triple double how come LeBron or Jordan when they were by themselves couldn't achieve this. haters always going to hate man
People criticize Westbrook so much? Has Chris seen the hate toward James harden, he was the most hated and criticized player in the NBA last year, and now he's proved everyone wrong after he was robbed in 2015 for having a worse record than the other guy in the race, now he's gonna get robbed for having a better record than the other guy? He has a better record this year, and only 2 rebounds less than a triple double, it's disrespectful to have Westbrook above him in the race with Westbrook having a much worse record
I think co MVP should happen to pay both players respect for their historic season
"What James Harden is doing is remarkable but what Russell Westbrook is doing is incomprehensible." Tim Legler
Russell Westbrook is not getting any credit for averaging a triple double because apparently it's not a big deal but players like Lebron get praised for their perceived ability to average a triple double without actually doing it. Russell Westbrook already got cheated out of an all star starting position while averaging a triple double. If Russell Westbrook is making history on a gamely basis and he should be rewarded with the NBA MVP.
And this is why chris is the one voting...
That thumbnail had me dead.
people said that Steph Curry was overrated last year because he won the MVP, but lost in the finals. If Westbrook wins the MVP but doesn't get to the finals, does that make him overrated?
Chris B No
Chris B way different. people were saying he was overrated not that his stats were overated. also curry went to the finals. Narrative is what is driving russ. harden is only 2 rebounds from a td. When it was clear that he was averaging a td, his team also helped him.
Chris B His team went 73-9 and choked a 3-1 lead in the finals it cant get worse than that.
Westbrook is overrated period
111illmatic Go average a triple double over a 82 game season and when u done send me a link to see you play ill wait...
Chris Broussard brings a great chemistry to this show
People got to understand that it's not like harden is averaging 25,5, and 5, he's averaging 29,8, and 11 with probably 55 wins at the end of the season. There isn't a second all star on the team and he's damn close to averaging a triple double himself. Nobody is saying Russell isn't having a historic year, but so is James harden and he his team has a much better record and he's most likely going to outplay Westbrook in the playoffs since they are going to meet in the first round.
Steve Steve exactly ill take 8 less rebounds and 3 seed rather then 10 rebounds and 6th seed HARDEN IS CLEAR MVP
Steve Steve Exactly people keep talking about Westbrook and his TD but it's already been done before and Big O didn't win MVP but Hardens done something that no one's ever done he scored 2000 pts and 2000 pts asst the only player in NBA history to do it
Steve Steve i doubt he'll outplay russ if they meet but the rockets would win in at least 6 games
BankrollC Gaming Harden is doing the same thing Westbrook is, leading his team to the playoffs. The 3 seed and 6 seed don't matter neither team will make it out of the second round after facing each other. Just like the seeding isn't gonna make a difference in the playoffs why should a higher seed elevate Harden over Westbrook for MVP. Westbrook will finish the season averaging a triple double with the most triple doubles in a season in league history. Harden will end the season with great numbers and a second round exit if they can beat the thunder in the first round. Westbrook is the MVP people remember history no one remembers 3rd place and almost a triple double.
I'll take Javell McGee stats to be #1 seed over 29, 8, 11 and 3rd seed whats your point? Also Harden aint outplaying Westrbook, his team will out score his team but it wont be cause of Harden.
Chris Broussard most genuine and realistic guy on sports television.
I agree with Shannon in this one. Why is it so much better if a player averages 30-10-10, over a player who averages 29-11-8? Those 2 rebounds per game make all the difference in the world? Triple double is a great achievement, but after all it s just another stat. We dont need to overreact about it. On the other hand those 8 more wins mean a lot, especially if they get you to the 3rd seed , in comparison to the 6th seed that OKC is now.
And one other thing that Broussard mentions all the time: 'Why didnt anyone average a TD before, not even Lebron or MJ?' The answer is simple , because they didnt have it as a goal. This year Lebron has 26-8,8-8,6 and he s not even trying that hard,plus he s 32. If he told his teammates 'let me get all the defensive rebounds' like Russ does, do u think it would be that hard for him to average a TD? And i m not saying its something easy that many players could have done if they wanted to, but its not a once in a lifetime thing like many people make it to be.
jimmy mcnulty its something that hasn't been done since 1955 stop making it out like anybody can do it.
Joshua McClellan but thats the thing. No one is trying to average a triple double. It takes a lot from the body and russ being an athletic freak can do it. Lebron can do it if he set out to do it but that takes away from the 3,4 and 5 position, stats wise. GSW set out to beat the bulls record, they didnt get it as a surprise.
Joshua McClellan his point isn't that anybody can do it, he's saying there are people in the league right now who if wanted to could average a triple double , harden could easily have asked for two freebie boards a game and there ya go
This has only happened once in the history of the league, and the only other player to do it averaged 10 more minutes of playing time and had an extra 20 possessions per game because of the different pace of play. Not just anyone could do it for the whole season. A few rare athletes, like Lebron or Magic Johnson, could attempt it, but even they know how difficult it really is to maintain for 82 games.
75erick75 Don't forget that that other person who did got close twice. He got 76 games into a season averaging a triple double but ended with 9.9 rebounds per game. The best closest after Russ and Big O that isn't Oscar is magic at like 18.
Broussard be killin dudes on this argument. Killin them with facts.
Westbrook's MVP
I wouldn't have a problem having a co-MVP this year. They both deserve it
Westbrook's MVP. Who agrees?
let's be honest, Chris deserves his own show. he owns in every debate he's in
Westbrook!!!!. If he doesn't get it then just throw away the triple-double as a talking point/stat. Take Harden off his team and they're still pretty good. Take Rus off OKC and they're a 10th seed. His player efficiency rating is tops also
Thank you Chris
6th seed is not MVP end of discussion, Harden is the MVP
Great debate ... you guys are my go to sports news ...
Joy + Kristine > Molly
Well, if we talking about both at the same time then yeah, duh, but Molly's still the best.
Kristen > Joy >> Molly
Molly is annoying now, she interrupts entirely too much
PoeticJustice05 Molly ugly af
stewie griffin Ledlow? Or Kristine?
that thumbnail 😂😂😂😮
Westbrook MVP from spurs fan here, wish we had him with kawhi, that would be beautiful
Karr S dude I want to see that happen, if not only to beat the warriors. Russ + pop would be special.
In alternate reality maybe..
True i forget pop, i hate to see all those talent of russ to get wasted if he doesn't win a championship,the guy is that great,he has some characters of Kobe and MJ those killer instincts competitiveness fight dedication he doesn't care who you are he will come after you,love him and I respect him
Karr S Westbrook would destroy the Spurs, Kawhi is a far better player, wouldn't need him, and it would just make that team worse. Poppovich doesn't want a guy on his team that shoots 43% for his career, is a notorious ball hog and choker, and turnover machine. Completely backwards from the Spurs culture of being an efficient passing offense.
Yeah.... I don't think you'd want Westbrook. Unless he listens to Pop and completely changes his style of play, he'd completely ruin the offensive system and his defensive awareness discrepancies would only make it worse.
Karr S that would be unstoppable
"LuhBrraaaahhhn" -Chris Broussard 😩😆😂
Westbrook
Great work Shannon.
What exactly does Skip mean by Harden is a product of D'Antoni's system? last time I checked Harden was averaging AT LEAST 25 points/5 rebounds/6 assists in every season before D'Antoni...
cbenji07 remember what that system did to Jeremy Lin? I think that's what he meant.
In my opinion this season for Russel is the greatest season we have seen by a player in one season of all time.
When it's all said and done these Russell Westbrook triple doubles won't get him past the second round of the playoffs
Sport Fanatic the MVP not counted on if you pass the 1st or 2nd round
Sport Fanatic it's a regular season awars
Sport Fanatic wait where is harden going? it isn't past the western finals or maybe not even the first or second round.
He won't even get past 1st round. I can't see him beating clippers/jazz
A third seeded team won't make it past the second round? That sounds unlikely especially because it's the rockets who have had an amazing season
Shannon says "Skee-yup" so much he even called Brouusard Skip at 6:49
Russ is unbelievable but people trying to act like Harden isn't averaging just 2 less rebounds 1 more assist on a much lower usage rate...
Chris Broussard brings an unbiased balance to the Undisputed table.
That thumbnail tho xD
the thing people don't understand is that harden is eight games ahead because of his team not because of him
What. clearly your trolling obviously
Darius Sims you're*
Nobody can run that offense like harden besides lebron and chris paul. This team was BUILT around harden. Harden makes the houston rockets
you know what i mean. Thanks teacher.
right people all a sudden forgot about the history harden has made 3 times this year to the point he is the only man ever to do all 3. Oh lets forget all that for a record a man has already accomplished 55 years ago. I think I know which side of history id prefer to be on.
Shannon calls Chris "skiieeppp" 6:47 lmao
So two more rebounds is more important than winning?
EXACTLY
theSkateDayss but OKC is still above 500....? 🤔
sooo? when was the last time a player not a top 3 seed won an MVP?
2 more uncontested rebounds,People are do blind
Jamante Mosley can't believe you think you're making some kind of a case with that.
James Harden is the MVP period!
He's averaging a triple double. I don't care what his team's record is. It's a TRIPLE DOUBLE!
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you're so blind
Everyone saying Westbrook MVP cause of the 57 point triple double but harden had a 53/17/16 game taking 26 shots while Westbrook jacked up 40. And no one has ever said a negative thing about Hardens MVP case. They say positive and negative things about Westbrook and still pick him
Even though they only say positive things about harden. If you say " hardens supporting cast is better, Russell is doing more work" you're wrong. Everyone has the thunder like 5 seed this year as a prediction. And a lot of people slept on Houston including me. Westbrook's supporting cast WAS better but harden made his supporting cast better and that is why he is the MVP.
I agree with Shannon!!!!!
i like russ but if he win that shows the league winning dont really matter smh
How so? His team is winning!! Plus, it's an individual award. And if wins matter THAT much, then give it to Kawhi or Isaiah Thomas, because they have the #1 seeds right now.
LegendaryEA That's true however every MVP in the past has been top two seeds and three at maximum
if harden is putting up similar numbers and is 3 seeds higher how is russ ahead, if this was anyone else we wouldnt really care tbh
exactly thats what im saying
the spurs are not the #1 seed rn, it GS by 3.5 games.
harden MVP
Just make it Co-MVPs because whoever gets bounced out the playoffs first is gonna get shaded like they weren't supposed to be MVP
trevion sewell Correct!
trevion sewell yeah that's acc facts but I think both of them would take it as disrespect
W
trevion sewell well once it comes playoff time, it's all about who has the better team and harden has got the better team
trevion sewell that's why there is two different MVP isn't it.
westbeast all day
carrying the team since game 1 to the playoffs !!
Shannon>SAS>Skip>Max
King Ali Chris Bro > everyone else
I agree
Nice Chris his own show
Have you ever thought that maybe Russell's teammates are underperforming because of him? He's the primary ball handler. It's his job to create shots for his teammates. In fact, not just shots. But GOOD shots.
Here's the thing. Russell is not a good point guard. He's just not. He's a shoot first point guard with none of the skills that can make his teammates better. His 32-9 record while having a triple double is irrelevant because he isn't averaging a triple double against teams that are above a .500 record. Listen, average a triple double is treated like the dessert when really it should be treated like the cherry on top of the dessert. His entire game is mediocre. He's all flashiness and no substance. But here's the important part. All this MVP talk, I don't blame Westbrook for. I blame it on the media like these guys here. They're willfully blinded by the triple doubles. They don't care about anything else. It's just the truth. And that's when you know a player doesn't actually have an MVP case. Triple doubles is all Westbrook is good for this season. And if you think that's enough, you're being ignorant for the sake of wanting to say something is a great achievement.
And I'm also tired of people acting like Westbrook gets bonus points for being left behind by KD. Pity votes are not real votes.
I agree that he makes his teammates worse and harden makes them better but Russell is not a bad pg
Roaming Shaman Russ is also towards the bottom on challenging 3-pointers. Deandte Jordan has challenged more 3s than him. That just proves how overrated at times his defense is, just because he's averaging almost 2 steals a game that doesn't mean he's a good defender. Heck curry averaged 2 steals in his first mvp season and people still threw shade at him for his defense even though I believe that he (Curry) is a pretty decent defender
KD's most efficient year in his career has been this one(53.7% over all field goal percentage), playing with a real point guard in Steph Curry. Someone who actually creates good shots for people.
You're mistaken to think that because KD was great with Russell Westbrook, it was BECAUSE of Russell Westbrook that he was great. That just isn't true.
Whether GSW needs KD or not is irrelevant. Stop trying to pivot the argument. It's about whether KD plays better with an actual point guard than a guy who masquerades as one. The answer? He plays better with Steph Curry. But unlike you, I'm not stupid. I don't believe that any point guard is the sole reason for KD's success as a player. KD would succeed with any point guard because he's an incredible player. But this is about who he plays better with and it's clearly Steph.
And Curry got worse? Lol. Bruh, when you have one of the greatest individual seasons ever, there's nowhere to go but down. At least statistically speaking. If we're being real, Curry has done more for his team this year than he probably ever has.
It shouldnt be a discussion. Guy is averaging a triple double and on the verge of breaking the all time record. His team is also winning. Im not saying they the best in the West but at least they winning. Harden is having a breakout season but Westbrook is having a historical one. Legit no one has had a season like his since Oscar Robinson and we might not even see something like this again.
In terms of starting lineups:
Steven Adams > Clint Capela (no real discussion imo.)
Domantas Sabonis < Ryan Anderson (Ryan Anderson is just an overall better version of Sabonis, so no real discussion here either imo.)
Andre Roberson < Trevor Ariza
(Ariza is still the overall better player, but people are SLEEPING on Roberson’s defense - AR is an All-Defensive Team caliber player, meanwhile Ariza is not as good as he used to be, however he still gets the edge here solely because of his offense.)
Victor Oladipo > Patrick Beverley (I love Beverley, but Oladipo is just overall more athletic and is way better offensively)
Which leaves us with Westbrook & Harden, which pretty much is a toss-up, right?
I mean, previously people would definitely bring up Harden’s defense, but if you would actually watch the NBA this season, you would see that Harden is way more committed to playing defense, meanwhile Westbrook chases rebounds and leaves his man open to shoot. Just look at Kemba Walker recently hitting 6 threes against OKC (granted, not all those shots were against Westbrook, but still) and Patty Mills hitting 3 threes against OKC, one of them being in a situation, where Patty was open in the corner, while Westbrook only focused on getting the rebound, and this was in a critical point in the game and part of the comeback where Spurs came back from like a 20-point deficit…
Westbrook is definitely the better defensive player if we look at previous seasons, however we have to judge Harden and Westbrook on how they are playing THIS YEAR, when we are having a MVP-discussion.
And THIS YEAR, Westbrook’s defense isn’t really much better than Harden’s.
On the other hand, Harden is just the overall better offensive player:
Harden is the better shooter, and I am actually also starting to think that he’s the better playmaker of the two. I know people will just say, “Well, Harden is surrounded by shooters,which is an unfair advantage”.
To those people I would say that if you look at Harden’s work with Clint Capela and Nene this year, you would really be impressed by his playmaking. Harden is giving Capela and Nene an easy 6 points each per game.
These reasons are why I’m annoyed when Chris Broussard just says something like, “I think we are underestimating the achievement of getting triple-doubles”.
Well, a triple-double is really impressive, don’t get me wrong, but winning will always be more important.
And besides, Harden just needs two more rebounds per game to average a triple-double,so it’s not like that is too farfetched, and I will guarantee you that Harden would also average a triple-double, if he had Capela, Nene, Ariza, and others box
out the opposing team’s big men, while Harden just scoops in and grab the rebound like what Westbrook and the Thunder team are doing many times a game.
And Then Chris Broussard compares today's NBA to the NBA of the 80s and 90s by saying that Michael Jordan never averaged a triple double? What? So are you saying that Westbrook would get 10 rebounds per game with real big men like Hakeem,
Shaq, Ewing, David Robinson, Moses Malone?... Not a chance!
Meanwhile, we are now in a more small ball kinda era, which means more rebounds for guards because of the long rebounds from threes.
Imo. Harden's stats are overall just as good as Westbrook.
Harden has more assists than Westbrook (Which is what you want from your
playmaker)
Harden has better shooting percentages (YES, that is important)
Westbrook has more rebounds (But is it really that important for a guard to
have many rebounds?)
Westbrook has more points (But again, Harden shoots better in terms of %)
Harden is my pick for 2016-2017 NBA MVP.
Probably the only time i agree with skip
Russ is the MVP! Period.
averaging the most accounted for points per game of all time is more impressive to me in the way harden gets it done than the way Russ gets his trip dubs in my opinion
Harden will win the voters are smart enough to see past Westbrook's cherry picked triple double. Also all the voters will have Harden at least in their top 2 I don't think they all will have Westbrook in their top 2. Remember it's about total MVP points. Also the NBA are not allowing NBA team broadcasters to vote anymore and I think they would have favored Russell. Chris and Skip are acting like Pringles made Harden a MVP candidate when Harden has been a MVP candidate for the past two years.
Wtf! Why did the video cut out there?!?!!!
A lot of Westbrook fans in the comment sections
Matt Ryan you blew a 28-3 lead buddy
Julian Erlandson 28-3*
Shannon doesn't understand how hard it is for this to happen, if you gave him the example of a receiver getting 150 yards a game on 8-10 passes he'd understand
James Harden has my vote.
shannon tweeted seeds only matter in plants...lol but with russ it matters? lol
I'm sorry but 6th seed and MVP shouldn't be used in the same sentence
Dylan Klebold im sorry you just used a sentence
James harden is almost averaging a triple double, it's just a fancy number/stat.Harden averages more assists and points. Most of Westbrooks rebounds are ones where his big men move out of the way.I think they should be co MVPs
What is shannon smoking?
Fullmetaljango unchained that good Cali loud
So true Westbrook has so much hate they belittle the triple double saying this guy could do it or this one but yet only ones done it soon to be two
Shannon knows NOTHING about basketball!
Did they bring up the usage rate? Especially with the lebron comparison
Harden getting robbed again its sad. But its OK harden will kick russel out in the first round. The only thing russ got over harden are the rebounds and we all know how he gets them.
HESO MELO whoever wins it will be knocked out first in the play offs in my opinion .
HESO MELO its sad that he's getting robbed frm someone averaging a TRIPLE DOUBLE? wtf sense does that make? just stop speaking basketball smh
Im asking you what is better and be honest ? Averaging two more rebounds or 3 seeds better ?
hold this W, even though the Russexuals will hate on your comment
Harden is a playoff choker I don't see the rockets exiting the first round no matter who they face.
his suit is mad tight
Westrook can have the MVP from stat padding and his teamates letting him get rebounds and taking them from teamates. He can also take the L when he goes home in the first round.
Steven Adams is facing teams throwing double teams on him to assist with boxing him out or teams just clogging the lane to prevent lane drives by Russ, or just simple zone schemes since OKC has no consistent shooters.
harden
Skip & Stephen A are Legit but they always got a be right lol!
if you think harden is the mvp let me tell you his team doesnt need him to be successful they still might be in the playoffs without him. hes terrible in the clutch (look up the stats) hes got shooters everywhere & only avg 11 assists? no. stop.
jaredxcantrell lay off duh weeeeeduh
jaredxcantrell if Harden wasn't on that Houston team it wouldn't be a houston team. They built the team just to fit James Style. So without James harden none of the guys would even be In Houston now doin what they're doin around The Beard. #Beard4MVP
ProfessorFinesser do you wanna look up the stats or you just wanna keep talkin out your neck?
Only player on history to assist on 2000 points and score 2000 points in a season. Lmao "only" 11 assists? 😂😂. Why does Russ have 300 shots more than the rest of the league? 😂
Nicholas Schrock if westbrook had that many shooters hed have 15+ assists per game
Chris Broussard should have his own show he's dominated everybody from ESPN to Fox 👍🏻
Don't forget that Westbrook
Choked a 3-1 lead to Curry
Gaymond Green L KD did
Nick Green L , the whole team did
Gaymond Green don't forget curry choked a 3-1 lead against kyrie
So did KD
which ever guy doesn't get MVP is gonna have a insane playoff against the other
Harden
Shannon is right. Harden should be MVP. Harden and Russ are having comparable individual seasons. In that situation, TEAM SUCCESS has always been the deciding factor. That was the excuse when Rose won MVP over Lebron in 2011. It was the excuse when KD won MVP over Lebron in 2014. And it was the excuse when Curry won MVP over Harden in 2015. But for some reason, the media wants to ignore it this year. The MVP award has become too narrative-driven.
Harden is the MVP.
Nah this is Russ' year. 30 years from now nobody is going to know who won MVP this year, but they will remember Russ averaging a triple-double. Gotta give it to the guy making history. Plus, it's not like his team ain't winning. They are winning, and they are winning BECAUSE of his triple-doubles.
PoeticJustice05 they're both making history...and the thunder will be out ij the first round.
Ma Jo have to pick a MVP between Russ and harden.... The answer is simple... Russ of course
No mvp singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago and get awarded for the mvp Esp after rockets needs to get new coach, new teammates and new system to clean up harden's mess. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure which he got his coaches fired in 11 games, made all his teammates into scrubs in their career low and pushed them out of town one by one. Harden is now simply a product of d'antoni, which it is why d'antoni deserves the coty for turning the rockets season around and cleaning up harden's mess.
Mvp stands for the most valuable player, not most delusional player like harden who self proclaiming himself being the best player of the world when he still can't play any D and also being all time worst turnover machine and flopper.
99 stop hating on harden. You wanna talk about who made there team a mess look at russell he is part of the reason kd left CAUSE HE WANTS THE FAME AND JUST WANTS HIS TEAMMATES TO BACK HIM UP
Ma Jo hardens only one up is seeds and Isaiah Thomas and kawhi are higher seed than him
That thumbnail tho
Shannon is in a world of his own, he tried to say if James takes more shots he will get more points, assuming he can keep up his field goal percentage...
i am die hard kobe fan and i was sceptical about russ all season long.( rebounds, padding vsvs) but more i watch this dude more i see the mamba in him.(not literally adshuahdasjd) i even defended hardens case on mvp several times. but man, he is M V P. PERİOD. at least for me.
COME ON GUYS WESTBROOK IS MVP AND MAKING HISTORY WHILE AT IT
Shannon disagrees and looks at Brussard but still yells, "SKIIIIEUP"
Both r having great seasons, its a shame one of them wont win mvp but i think u have to give it to russel, triple double man.... and the guy is a POINT GUARD!!
Yeah, I'm usually 100 wit Shannon, cept for this!! 100 done reduced to 32!!
Shannon is right on the money. the beard should be MVP.
Why is this still even a question?
Broussand looks like he just saw the face of God in the thumbnail 😂
Undisputed need this three men not only Skip and Shannon! They represent three team Warriors ☝🏻 Spurs and Cavs👎🏻
The last one tho: "Have they beaten Golden State?!?"
SAVAGE 101
When people argue for Russ I wish they would mention that the Thunder lost KEVIN DURANT 9 months ago and got nothing in return but are on pace to lose 10 more games compared to last year. And last year they had the 73-9 win Warriors down 3-1.