Martins Licis' Last Video Was Kinda Sus
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“He’s picking up blades of grass with his sphincter.” Yes. Yes, he is. I think that’s for extra points.
Martin knows better than to go into someone's house as a guest and start calling them frauds.
Specially Pakistan with their honor killings and shit
If you're a fraud you're a fraud lmao
@@User-b9q2z Mr. Autism over here, a regular Immanuel Kant. There's nuance here. I guarantee Martin knew that as soon as the video went up, experienced lifters would call bs and let the community know the Pakistan lifters are bunk.
One line of "yeah, these weights are probably bullshit but still heavy" would have resolved the whole thing.
There are lines in there that question the actual weight.
Yeah I dunno. The spirit of Strength Unknown is there, like any of the other episodes. I agree Martins could have at least tried to pick the 330 to see for himself. Just a brief comment to the camera that maybe it's not that heavy would've been okay. Don't need to say it to them.
Their stone lifting style is still fucking cool tho.
that show is so fking stupid, they literally don't show anything or explain, just a dumb ass vlog with 1 min of a random lift :)) and a voiceover like is the end of time
And their stone lifting style is cool, a bit different from western cultures. Even the Indians have their way of doing squats and push ups.
the second I clicked on the video I just KNEW that Monty Python clip was gonna show up LOL
Oh shit wich one bro?
She turned me into a Newt.
The most nonsensical part about the cinder blocks weighing as much as they do is that you would be hard pressed to get that type of weight in that small of a form factor with iron let alone cement.
F**king hell, i have seen weights like these cinder blocks being weighed and lifted in the UK. Weights like 200kg, therefore when i hear the science or justification behind this video, i sigh and thinking, man how wrong is this. 😂
@@harisabram4767 The YT guy doing this video is for clicks and views. He's just projecting his own western standards onto another culture and how they do their own strongmen lift styles. Also yes absolutely the case concrete blocks like that weigh around 200kg and are used in UK competitions.
@@danielnelson3136 we got as much frauds here as you do so we need measured stuff not bs
Alex, I think your wrong on the BLUE blocks. Prepare for math assuming they didnt put foam blocks in the concrete forms.
- 1 cubic foot of concrete is 130 lbs
- 2 cu ft = 280 lbs
- 3 cu ft = 420 lbs
Visual example in case you are trying to imagine Cubic Feet, an 8 cubic foot box dimensions are 2'x2'x2' = 8 cu ft
Let's assume the BLUE block is 16"x12"x24" = 2.67 cu ft
Using a concrete weight calculator 2.67 cu ft = 383.4 lbs
I double checked the concrete weight calculator by using the formula V = 4/3 πr3 on an 24" diameter Atlas Stone that should weigh 585 lbs and my math gives me around 593 lbs. So the caculator is accurate in my book. I would agrue that the movement is a parlor trick that requires tons of technique and not a ton of strength.
I've picked up several stones and we see what it takes to move a 410 lb stone from Kieliszkowski but in stone lifting the shape and texture of the stone is everything. That said I am calling bull on the weight of the natural stones.
The atlas stone lift is like the stone version of the snatch. Their atlas stones have grips cut out at the bottom which is why they move them so easily off the ground. No clue if the weight is honest but that hurts my wrist looking at it.
Let's say
@tylerpeterson1280 Good point. The blocks would have to have rebar in them to keep them together from repeated abuse. I mean that handle has to be connected to some kind of cage through the block.
You came?@tylerpeterson1280
Their hip mobility is another level with those atg squats
I am from Pakistan and i am a weightlifter and yes these stones are fake.
There is zero percent chance of that painted blue cement block weighing 400lbs.
In the words of Greg Doucet,
"Zeeeerooo....."
Yeah, 400 lbs at 1.44 grams / cubic centimeter means that block would need to be 4.5 cubic feet. It's maybe half of that.
@@magicjohnsins
Nah.
@@magicjohnsins I miss his old content. Not big on the new shit
I did some sanity checks with density and the blue block would have had to have been in the ballpark of solid aluminum (probably a more like 3.0- 3.3 g/cm^3 not the 2.7 of aluminum) and sorry but you're not convincing me that the even just the law of conversations of angular momentum, isn't throwing that string bean of a man around more. Look at the "bar path" 408 should be yanking him around.
@@matt1730 1.44 g/cm3 is the density of cement powder. The block is made of mortar or concrete, which have higher densities than that
Brom, just wanted to say i LOVE your content man. You make it so much more interesting and fun with the way you come at your subjects. Keep it up dude!!
Googling the measurements used in Pakistan, it shows that Martins has rounded up the units, causing a discrepancy of about 10% actual weight. The first unit is actually 37kg not 40, and the second 900g, not 1 kg. So the 3:20 stone would be something like 111+18kg (129kg) rather than 140kg.
some places it says 40 kg when googling it
It's fine as is. What do you expect from Martin's rounding up, in a Pakistani culture and region? Don't expect the exact same standards from the west onto them.
All of these lifts are as legit as Arthur Saxons 371 bent press..
No way thlse weighs were accurate. But the sucking up sand sphincter squat stone pess was impressive. I😂😂
Excellent job navigating a touchy subject with respect and experience.
The ⚖️ is a good tool to measure weights as long as the base weight is known and calibrated.
The measure of weight they use 'mun' is a common unit of around 40kg that is used to measure agricultural products like bags of rice, wheat, animal feed, etc. Farmers would definitely know a mun and could easily check and compare if any of the implements was near the claim. Whether they actually care about the accuracy of the weight remains to be seen.
I agree the scale's a pretty good tool for measuring the weights of 2 objects. It's decent and doesn't need hyper complex western laboratory standards and academia hyper papers written, you just need a basic scale that can withstand the weights of 2 objects, that's as simple as it gets. IDK why he's so triggered by something so simple.😂
A 50cm sphere in concrete calculates roughly to 150kg.
But I agree its very suspect when dealing with such non standard weights.
I commented on Martins channel last night that these "People" are known for NOT telling the Truth. No way those little ass guys are wielding around 408lbs rocks. Also....Martins would NEVER call them out either because it would cause controversy in a bad way for what He and Romark are trying to do with Strength Unknown. I've dealt with these folks before....I NEVER Trust the punjabi's....sorry.
Why the people in quotation marks? And why aren't we known for not telling the truth?
I had the same reaction. Martins swears that the weights felt what he said they weighed but if that was true why is it Pakistani weightlifters are nobodies? If they can toss around weights so easily surely there would be at least one shining example in international competition.
Yeah, I've lifted heavy odd implements and outside of a classic barbell context when dealing with something like a stone it becomes a world of difference... that little guy tossing that "330lb" stone up like it was nothing... if that was indeed legit, dude could easily be setting world records with a little more food and a year or two of heavy training, but I somehow highly doubt that was the actual weight of the stone!
Because there’s more to it than just talent. Is it really that surprising that the governments who invest the most into certain sports end up doing exceptionally well in those sports?
@@MrYokyScape Which adds even more skepticism to these lifts. They're showing off world class levels of strength and power in spite of zero government investment. They're just random skinny men in a small local competition.
@@Fitnesshereticlol better than obese 45% body fat Americans 👍
Not that I'm saying the implements weigh what they weigh, but there are plenty of strong people out there who are nobodies in strength sports because of plenty of reasons. 1. Most countries in the world have no exposure to strongman. 2. There is no money in strength sports outside of a few countries. 3. Cultural limitations are a thing. I have friends from Pakistan and India, and the societal pressures to go all in on academics and becoming a doctor/engineer etc. is very real.
Can’t fool Bromley.
10:02 takes like this are why you have a lot of credibility with me.
Agreed.
Out of all traditional strength training, that I saw or tried (hojo undo/indian wrestler`s training/scottish stones/chinese hard qigong and wrestling training) this one looks the most suspicious.
Because this ain't the real thing. India is good at wrestling, wons many medals and it's not even popular in Pakistan.
I agree.... im sorry but these weights with these relatively skinny guys seems a little off. There was a scene where one of the elders told the cinematographer not to touch the implement
Regardless of the weights, that movement with the atlas stone clean thing was fucking dope
That “286” lbs stone looks closer to a 175lbs stone size wise
It’s most likely a translation problem. If no one is confirming the weight of the stone. 200lb could be being translated as 200KG, for example 🤷♂️
@@martynodonnell but other countries don’t use lbs
@@martynodonnell that makes no sense.
@@martynodonnellthey don't use pounds. Only the inverse is possible.
@@Jmack7861 I'm not Pakistani so I can't say for sure in this case, but many other countries that typically use kilograms have other forms of measurement for the weight of random objects. Japan has a separate measurement they use for stones, for example.
Yeah that build, I'm not even sure that guy could deadlift 420... that's sus af
Reminds me of Alan Thrall’s 1000 pound tyre flip 😂
There was a short section on how they weighed the weights, a goofy scale system with a wood tripod.
theres no way that lanky guy about my size swung 408 up to his shoulders like that.
i would bet money that block is closer to 208 LBS
I traine with stonelifter and a testament to their strength is that if a guy is able to hold 160kg boulder more usual than not he is able to deadlift 300kg plus. I wish u could come and experience first hand
The stones they are lifting (in Pakistan) look like sandstones, which can be about 2/3 the weight of an igneous rock, which the ones in strongman look like to me (basalt maybe).
Sandstone or limestone
Yup.
Great points, Brom. Yep... Those weight labels are not accurate.
Weightlifters pull, not swing, for good reason. The momentum in the catch would go back in the swing. This makes the lifter fall backward. I can't imagine trying to shelve a heavy box on my shoulder that way, but it’s probably much harder to say the least.
Bromley please review the Matt Disbrow 10week deathbench program!!
40kg is called a "Mann" in Pakistan. Its a standard weight for a bag of wheat since ancient times. So that was the minimum standard of strength. Being able to carry a 40kg bag of wheat. Thats why still they use multiples of 40kg for weighing.
The Big Book of Pakistani Strongmen is the second shortest book ever written, first being about Italian War Heroes.
Martins values his life lol. He was in danger from the crowd when they LIKED him. I can't imagine pissing them off would be good for his health, especially being in the middle of nowhere with no avenue of escape.
These round Atlas stones are cast concrete. The bigger ones average around 140 kg , give or take 5kg.
if the pakistanis are this strong why not compete in us/uk etc to clean up easy prize money?
For the same reason that you see all the fake martial arts chi-blast ""masters"" not cleaning up in UFC
They dont want your dirty money😂
What I thought, that would be very big money for them
Not saying they're as strong as they claim to be, but the hurdle they would face would be financial and entering the country.
@@RandelOland901-ATT set up a crowd fund? gonna get a lot of attention from this coverage. and im sure fellow strongman would love some new competition imo.
Only OG's know that the original title was "I'm sure 97% of those lifts are BS"
Broooo, that was title no. 2. Pssshhh
@@AlexanderBromley Goddamn it.. gotta be quicker next time🤣
Could it be a simple case of mistranslation? I mean if no one is confirming the weight of the stones. Could it simply be that lbs is being translated to kgs. For example the claim is that the stone is 200kg, when infact it’s 200lb 🤷♂️
They're no dumb, they're liars
Excellent video brom! Some of the most thoughtful and honest in the space ! 👍
Hmmmm, for the first half of the video i got the feeling this was going to be content that was kinda "beneath" you. Reactive, negative for the sake of it, hard to make quality content consistently so let's just fill a gap with this one. You really saved it at the end there, acknowledging the position martins is in and emphasizing you could be wrong about the weights.i think it's clear when watching strength unknown that the intention is to document strength culture that is niche (from a global perspective) and/or in danger of being lost; that has seemed explicit from the beginning of the show. Maybe some people got a rosy-eyed message from the show but ive always felt it's primarily documentation and entertainment. I've loved everything you've put out so far. What I think makes you "Bromley" is that you always add some nuance and you bring it back to basic principles and critical thinking. Best in the strength world for that rn i would argue. I will say this is the first video where I worried that this would be the future content of the channel (reaction drama). It wasn't that, but that's a worry i have. (I can bitch about things for the sake of it just fine on my own thank you, i don't desire to watch someone else do it). Just hit the peak phase on Bullmastiff and I'm loving/hating it, so thanks for that.
"What I think makes you 'Bromley' is that you always add some nuance and you bring it back to basic principles and critical thinking." Totally agree with this statement. It's why I've continued to follow his channel.
@@justinstuart9109 same
I watched that video and questioned the weights too. That one type of lift has the bottom of the upright supporting arm (elbow) resting on the hips. It's a hack for lifting, not a feat of accomplishment.
She turned him into a newt
They looked like cast stone to me, so could be composite meaning regardless of the size do not have the same weight as natural stones.
Don't discount the strength of Montana ranch hands. I live in Montana. The high school kids here often look like pro football players.
Would they have physical adaptations from doing it their way for so long? How long have they been lifting things with that type of posture? It so strange looking. I would immediately have an injury trying it that way. I'll give them their flowers; I can't even begin to try squatting like that.
I think the easiest way to tell the swinging lift particularly is a bit of a stretch is, what would does it look like to move a 400lb kettlebell? those don't even exist, and even very strong kettlebell lifters rarely clean more than 200lbs like that, so to suggest that those are 400lbs is ridiculous.
kettlebell aint this and no one claims this , ur putting a strawmam argument😂😂😂 kettleballs need more balance holdin up , this block rests on shoulder ur funny
We can actually get a rough estimate of the weight of the cement block shown at 5:12 by using the brick that it is leaned on
A common size for that kind of brick is 25x12x6 cm
Using those measurements and comparing it to the cement block
I estimated it's dimensions to be roughly 38x76x50 cm which would give us a volume of 144400 cm³
According to google, the average density of cement is 1.44 g/cm³
So multiplying 144400 by 1.44 gives us a weight of just under 208 kg or 457 lb assuming the block is fully dense, which it is not since it has a hole hollowed out for the handle
Someone who is smarter than me could maybe calculate how much volume the hole has as well but I don't think it is necessary as just these rough calculations prove that the claimed weight of 408 lbs is probably close to what the actual block weighs
yea the stone clean at the end, its weights 200lbs at most
The weights look like they weigh around half of what they say it is ngl and I'm a pakistani living in the Uk
Good vid,
I was thinking the same a couple of years ago when I first saw those type of lifts
Looked a bit dodgy to me re the weights on the stones
when you minmax strength
Some random observations:
1. There is absolutely zero chance that those objects weigh anything close to what is being claimed.
2. That being said they are probably a fair amount of weight to lift relative to the size of the guys lifting them.
3. These things fall under the category of "odd lifts" so there is a certain amount of technique involved and there's more to it than just trying to brute force the objects around.
This reminds me of the old strongmen who did acts using custom made equipment. While they may have looked like standard weights the balance points, barbell length, flexibility and handle thickness could be quite different. The strongmen could easily lift it because they did it as part of their act day in and day out but when they allowed audience members to try they rarely if ever could replicate the lifts from the act not due to a lack of strength but more due to unfamiliarity with the equipment and the lifts.
Also it would be a bit disrespectful to go to these people country and be openly dismissive and skeptical of what they were doing when it's obvious that these are things that they are proud of and are things that appear to be culturally important to them.
Exactly. Especially the last part.
No. It is not disrespectful or discourteous to not go along with a lie. That is brain rot level insane. It's WILDLY infantilizing to treat other cultures like basic standards (not being full of shit) are optional.... not lying is not a western value and only dipshit westerners will pull the "but thays their culture" line. Fucking destructive and insulting
@@Micheldiedexactly, except the last part*
@@AlexanderBromley I don't think it's about going along with the lie. I think that the OP means that you don't get up in their face, in their land, and question what they're doing, which is something culturally historic to them. The culture shouldn't be completely from skepticism or critique, but you don't do it right there when they're generously hosting you, or vilify them in your travel vlog/documentary about the place right after. It's not just about being respectful for the sake of it, you're also in a foreign land that can potentially become very dangerous for you. I know what parts of the world like Pakistan are like, and you don't want to go around pissing people off. It's about time and place. I just assume that's what the OP meant.
@@AlexanderBromley I didn't mean that someone should suspend belief and swoon over the fairy tale lifts and exaggerated weights so that these people can feel good about themselves. But coming right out and saying "You're full of S@#& those weight don't weigh what you claim." isn't the most diplomatic or polite way of addressing it.
There are times when it may well be necessary and appropriate to be that blunt and direct I'm just not sure that I would go there right out of the gate.
Of course if they want to argue and get belligerent about it and expect me to just nod my head in agreement that's a different story. That's the time to be direct and say "You're detached from reality if you really believe this."
No one that small can pick 408 up with a tiny handle like that and swing it to their shoulder
Pumice stone
Yea no way they weigh what they think it weighs
Who’s checking the weights?. Is it a possibility that it’s a translation problem. As in the weight, say 200lb is mistranslated as 200KG. It could be something as simple as this.
On the topic of weird way to measure weight. I have a friend who only thinks of weight in the GYM by the plates he put on the bar. For example 185lbs is a plate and a 25.
Or 185 is considered "1.5" plates.
Do if he has a plate and a 25 on, he just doesn’t know it’s 185 kind of thing?
Why Don't U Come To Pakistan And Try Yourself....???
Why do that? Your country is a dump heap lol
Because I like modern infrastructure?
I mean, I compete at Worlds with people from every continent. A better question is where the Pakistani representation is.
Same answer as to why Chinese monks don't get in the ring with actual fighters... it would be a fucking bloodbath
@@AlexanderBromley "A Toad In A Pond Believes That It Lives In A Sea"....!!
The one guy in the video had said he's been doing this since he was seven and a lot of this does come down to skill, and strength mixed with that skill allows them to pick up bigger weights which is why some of the smallest males and females in weightlifting still snatch big weights
Yeah, but all of those weightlifters are built like tanks. They can be Gimli levels of short, but they will have thighs as thick as my torso.
@@davorzdralo8000 Pocket Hercules comes to mind
Yeah no
i would bet mpney on that he would have gotten more views if he called them out
It may be inflated for the video, but I've been watching the "sit down" lifters for years now and the dudes who are setting new records are absolute units. Their strength is the real deal.
Im calling it, theyre 100% not lifting those numbers.
Try looking up some indian war stories it is absolutely ridiculous and you will find die hard fans of their history insisting that it actually happened and that the numbers arent all fucked up 😂
Yup, all in the comments in IG lol. BS runs deep
The weights are way off. Pakistanis and Indians genuinely believe the great gama picked up a 500kg stone and walked around with it. The guy was not that big and you can see photos of the stone online and there's no way its even close to 500kg
Ego attached to bullshit history and culture. They also believe Alexander lost to King Porus and he was 7ft tall.
Sorry, but the guy called the great Gamma, his strength and endurance is IMO real. Known to do 700 Hindu squats, and old style Indian wrestling, he out wrestled some of the best in his time, even for how short he was. As ridiculous as lifting 500kg is, it's possible to do. Why? Because people like these existed:
1. Alexander Zass.
2. Bruce Lee.
3. Charles Atlas.
4. Ray 'boom boom' Mancini.
5. Rocky Marciano.
6. Samson.
7. John Holtum.
8. Siegmund Breitbart.
Keep in mind some of these guys had freakish levels of strength, relative to their smaller sizes. It's possible, as unbelievable as it is.
@@danielnelson3136 1) 501kg is the world record deadlift. It is extremely unlikely somebody would pick a stone of that size.
2) Samson isn't real.
3) Some of these people were strong, some of the people you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with strength
4) 700 Hindu squats isn't a high number. Indian wrestlers were doing similar numbers pretty frequently
@@user-he4ef9br7z
1. Yes it's extremely unlikely but not impossible. You're making the same mistakes boomers make assuming a limit, until someone breaks that limit.
2. Samson is a real person that existed.
3. All of those people I listed were strong as hell. Don't sleep on old school strongmen and circus strongmen. I don' see Eddie Bravo driving a nail into a board that easily, or breaking chains.
4. 700 is a high number for average folks, and 700 every day. Can you do 700 everyday? Yeah it's not that easy and Gamma still pulls it off.
@@danielnelson3136 It is literally impossible. That would make him multitudes stronger than the world's strongest men.
Which is more likely, Indians fabricating history to indulge in a sense of pride (which they do all the time) or, one man being magnitudes stronger than everyone that ever existed?
No. Not all the people you mentioned were strong. You are confusing fighting skill and movement with raw strength.
Circus acts were very often faked. Who tf is Eddie bravo?
Is it an African or European Pakistani?
Thanks for putting that movie in my head again.
I saw this and my gut was that it was crap
Yeah, those stones just look too... bouncy? for what they say they weigh.
We do have crap in our gut.
@@theavglifter hilarious
@@eversor10 Not when it's gaseous
I can see the inaccuracy of the weight of the object being a double-edged sword. They may weigh less than what people claim, but that means they may also weigh more, in some cases. Either way, out of all the "eras" of resistance training, I think videos like these highlight the interesting aspects of the "prehistoric Era", the methods that evolved from a country's unique grappling arts to turn them into tanks (look at the Kushti wrestlers from India, for example).
Indian here, the "kushti" guys would get ragdolled by the Iranians or Azerbaijani or Georgians or Dagestanis. Having a history of wrestling and having a modern competitive system are two different things. Think of Sudanese wrestling or Turkish oil wrestling or the Greek Pankration guys. Lots of history but not enough modern competition. There is real world data to support this in guys like Bajrang Punia, quality freestyle wrestler from India who started out with kushti.
P.S. Catch wrestling is an off-shoot of kushti and is regarded as equally effective. Trying to twist someone's fingers might technically "work" but it is not effective wrestling technique in competition.
Ah yes... Catch wrestling is all about finger twisting.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 lmao here come the salty catch wrestlers. Yep it is gimmicky moves that have not proved themselves in competition. Freestyle and bjj are still levels better. Catch sucks. Deal with it.
@@JustSomeGuy69420 Your whole entire reply was just about the post script? Literally just came from a Craig Jones interview about how grapplers are weird.
@@utkarsh2746 "Proved itself in competition" are you not aware of the concept of a ruleset? If CaCC moves were allowed CaCC would obviously win. Also, not derived from kushti at all.
Martins Licis………. martiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins
ruclips.net/video/-_0NWI3F2d4/видео.html They're so strong, even an old guy with noodle arms can clean and push press a 200kg stone
Im pakistani every village has a stone that dudes love picking up for competition. I never saw it but everyone always spoke of so and so who lifted so and so kg but not sure about the validity of it.
Yeah, the weights are bullshit, but they are "heavy". I've seen a half-dozen different types of stone lifting in South Asia, and the guys that "catch" the stone in the deep squat are the strongest of the different styles. They have one forearm that's so much bigger than the other they look mal-formed. There are some huge dudes in the "shield" style too.
Wait youre telling me that the 3rd world has 3rd world ethical standards? Nooooo
You called the lanky guy on the 408 stone suspicious, and I just had to think about videos of sohrab moradi, and what he does with 180. He's power snatched it. So if sohrab moradi, possibly the greatest weightlifter ever, is powering 180, weighing 30 lbs more, and on a ball of gear, that guy aint powering 180. (yes moradi is actually that good, he snatched 16 kilos over his own record in training,(205) and clean and jerked 10 kilos more than his own record in raining, 243) As another reference point, we have nijat rahimov, a 77, pretty close in weight, 170lb range. Rahimov managed a 180 snatch in training, so, yet again, generational talent, barely managed to snatch what some random indian nobody is power pulling, very suspicions.
PS. It took over 500lbs for andrei chemirkin to have the bar sit in his front rack fully, to be fair a 170lb indian isnt as muscle bound as 400+lb andrei, but food for thought on tightness.
I said this in a comment and you should have seen the hate 😂
A lot of indian stone lifters do this frauding, especially when it comes to the stone gada, inflated numbers all around
The series is amazing, but this one is full of crap in terms of weights of items.
These events are a form of pro wrestling... the weights are exaggerated.
I'm pretty sure it's "just" a unit thing. If they measure weights using the simplest of scales they wouldn't just need what amount they put on as a counter weight but also what unit of measurements was used for them + during what period they were measured. A pound today wasn't always the same in the past and also not the same in every place. Let alone what happens they stones or reference weights wear down over the years, are being put back together, hewn out of a different type of material etc. Doesn't matter what measuring system they use as long as it works for their sport.
I think a good take-away of this episode of Strength Unknown is that it's less about accurate weights but rather technique and the specific implements/methods used to compete with. They're just well trained, normal people outside of the world of overly juiced, internationally competing strongman who follow a specific culture of strength training. Which is pretty much what this series is about!
Why don't they use construction grade sandbags to measure weight?? it's nothing high tech.
This is cool, but what about Khan Baba 😂
Wow grape!
just hit a max deadlift of 405 last month at around 175 lbs, no way that dude is swinging it up onto his chest, sorry.
That same dude deadlifts 230 to 250 kg watch his channel PehlwanJunaid jatt.
I feel in this case it doesn’t matter what the weight is. If they all lift the same weights who cares. It’s a sport that’s from that region and the strongest man in said region can lift this stone. It’s not like they are using them to set deadlift world records.
That is so weird to me. Like dishonesty to inflate your accomplishment is no big deal
I’m saying it’s a sport the masses would’ve known nothing about if Martin wouldn’t have traveled there and highlighted it. Like you said it’s not Martins or anyone else’s place to say that the weight isn’t real. It’s such a primitive sport in a place where almost nothing that we are used to exists so I see why we would question it but to these people it is what it is. I would bet none of them actually have ever lifted a calibrated anything to know anything different. So therefore I’m not sure they are being dishonest they just don’t know.
@@AlexanderBromley Doesn't necessarily have to do with dishonesty - it's a rough measurement to know how much heavier a stone is in comparison. Especially given the age of the sport and the implements' simplicity there wouldn't be any point in being overly accurate with it over even correcting whatever previous measurement mistakes were made. Sure, they may have simply have upscaled the basis for their system to show off on camera but within their sport the numbers only have to be accurate in relation to other stones. Lift more than your competitor and you've accomplished a clean, honest win no matter the weight of the stone used. If these guys were chasing PRs by the kilogram they probably wouldn't go for stones anyway.
@@AlexanderBromleycan u lift the stones there in Pakistan?plz travel there n show us
For the algorithm!
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More phony then mike o’tren
I'm from Pakistan, and I met and hung around with Martins and Romark in Islamabad. We discussed it all and helped them with the translations… It's legit.
"I never lifted a stone this easily" Yea a stone with handles is easier to lift than a stone with some sticky shit on it. It checks out when you see how big the implements are and the density of concrete. Looking at more western feats of strength, i'm sure there's guys half your weight who can bent press more than you
Martins posted a short on his channel proving the weight of the stone and I don't believe him anymore
I don’t think Martins would BS us.
Why. He's a public figure you've never met
@@AlexanderBromley as are you
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jwwell played.
If the weights were 100% accurate I'd be surprised but they're probably still damn heavy for the size of the people lifting them.
On them not being jacked enough, if your exercise was mastering only one of these lifting techniques (sounded like it was a one method per region deal) how jacked would you be and where exactly? Not making a point with that, just asking the question because I can't answer it that well.
Fix your closet
This is a Reddit tier RUclips video.
Yes Saar Pakistan strong saar
How?
@@neal520 whiteboy wimp
@@strengthandpower101 watch it.
@@strengthandpower101 watch the vid bro.
But can these guys outlift the Iranian hulk? :-)
oh man, is bromley turning into a fitness react/drama youtuber? i came for the programming and lifting mentality videos, this is disappointing.
Tbh I fr don't mind it as long as the programming vids schedule doesn't change alot
I'm disappointed as well that the free (stuff) I'm getting isn't the free (stuff) I want.
Think about it this way - if you want the programming/lifting videos for free, Bromley has gotta also make enough other videos that get clicks to make the whole youtube thing worthwhile.
I can tell you as someone who also makes content-not all that successfully either-you don’t have total creative freedom in posting. The algorithm is brutal and demands constant growth; if you want to make any of the content you believe in, you also have to make content that reliably gets views.
Seething Pakistani detected
Sorry, but the guy called the great Gamma, his strength and endurance is IMO real. Known to do 700 Hindu squats, and old style Indian wrestling, he out wrestled some of the best in his time, even for how short he was. As ridiculous as lifting 500kg is, it's possible to do. Why? Because people like these existed:
1. Alexander Zass.
2. Bruce Lee.
3. Charles Atlas.
4. Ray 'boom boom' Mancini.
5. Rocky Marciano.
6. Samson.
7. John Holtum.
8. Siegmund Breitbart.
Keep in mind some of these guys had freakish levels of strength, relative to their smaller sizes. It's possible, as unbelievable as it is.
I dont understand what that list was or what it proves. No one there was strong compared to modern competitors ...
@@AlexanderBromley Don't underestimate old time circus strongmen. Would make your modern strongmen cry.😁
Uhh... no, we have these things called numbers and some are bigger than others.
What does Bruce Lee or Rocky Marciano have to do with any of this? You know Charles Atlas wasn't strong right? He was a bodybuilder who sold bullshit training methods....
You've concocted some weird fantasy about strength culture that doesn't appear to have any grounding in reality
@@AlexanderBromley Isometrics and flexing for strength is not fantasy, it's grounded in reality and in science. Look up those circus strongman and the figures I've listed.
Bruce Lee can kick and punch 300+ pounds heavy bag, and is known for some incredible strength feats himself despite his small size. Rocky Marciano in his time was the smallest heavy weight boxer in his division, yet he was exceptionally strong and can hit harder than most. Even Ray 'Boom Boom' Mancini for his size in his division was exceptionally fast and strong. I'm listing these figures to you to show you that it's not always the case that muscle size=muscle strength, it's mind muscle connection=muscle strength.
We had these numbers? You mean the ancient Greeks and western cultures had these numbers? Did you know that Judaism invented those numbers to begin with, and that in the golden age of Islam they conceived of the 0 number and scaled it like that first? Sorry but mathematics and numbers is not monopolized only to western cultures, eastern and middle eastern cultures have contributed to the field of mathematics.
@@danielnelson3136 Bruce Lee kicking the 300lb bag is a myth and many of his feats were made up by his fans. I like Bruce Lee but he'd be the first one to say he wasn't a superhuman
Lanky build does not equate of being weak. He may just have very good neural muscle activation of the fibers.
So, my take away from watching Martins video is he clearly says they claim the weights and it is not calibrated to our standards. He also says that as someone who has lifted heavy things, that they are heavy. I took that as they aren't "fake". Like saying it weighs 400lbs but is really a 50lb hollow sphere. I personally didn't view it as he is saying that everything weighs exactly what they claim. Also, as for the lifts, While I'm not saying I believe they are exactly what they say, I give them the benefit of the doubt simply because these are traditional lifts, handed down through the generations. There isn't a lot of variety. So they probably practice the few lifts over and over since they were children. I've seen it again and again with athletes who are amazing at their sport come into Strongman and only do well in one event... the one they do. So while these guys could never complete, I believe it is possible for them to get really REALLY good at one thing. So yeah, probably close to the real weight... just my 2 cents lol
its super duper fake and Martins is such an asshole for not questioning it