Galadriel isn't stoic. Stoicism is to endure hardship without complaint. All she does is complain, and make it every one else's problem. Being demanding and brash. She's a child cosplaying as a male warrior, badly. The ACTUAL Galadriel is stoic.
stoicism is more about accepting than enduring. Stoicism is actually a very active philosophy but it acknowledges that you shouldn't waste energy on things you can't change
True, a stoic wouldn't complain about the situation, stoic would try to control their emotions and make the best out of the hand they were dealt. That's not Galadriel at all, her emotions are the impetus that drive her. She makes illogical decisions based solely on her emotions and is driven by them. complaining is seen as the most pathetic thing a human can do in stoicism which is half the show
well, 2 things. 1) amazon fired the "tolkien scholar" because he kept pointing out everything they were doing wrong that violated established lore like.... 2) everything galadriel does was actually elrond's story. they literally took elrond's "military" actions during the start of the 2nd age and gave it to galadriel. you may ask, well what did galadriel do? at the end of the 1st age, she married the forest elven lord, and birthed her daughter. during the 2nd age, galadriel lived with her husband, the forest lord, and raised her daughter. everything galadriel does, is lifted from a man, elrond. thats why it feels like such a mary-sue or man's tale. it literally is.
The Galadriel from the source material was a clan leader, a politician as much as she was a wife. She founded three cities, inclucing Ost in Edhil. She was also a powerful mage, or rather druid. The fact that she was the recipient of one of the great rings shows that she was seen by Sauron as one of the three most powerful elves on middle earth.
@@MrChristophSteininge the elves made the elven rings, sauron did not touch them. Celeborn did not trust Sauron entirely, the flaw in the elven rings was it was made with the "knowledge" provided by sauron, so the one ring did have some power over them they just didn't corrupt the wearers like the other rings.
@@arizona_anime_fan Maybe, but the fact remains, that the ring of adamant "Nanya" was Galadriel's. And she remarked that she did not use it once she became aware of Saurons influence, if I recall correctly. The other two bearers did not do either, even though Cirdans ring ended up with Gandalf as the bearer, it was the ring of fire. As a spiritual being he was not endangered so much as men or elf. Remember what happened when Tom Bombadil put on the One Ring. He did not vanish or anything. He was entirely unaffected. Nobody knows for sure what Tom Bombadil was, only his creator did, and Tolkien is safe in the halls of Mandos, we cannot ask him!
Galadriel was an high elf. Her power was knowledge and wisdom. And she had the gift of foresight. She was actually a tragic character. She knew that the days of elves in middle earth were about to end. Not that nonsense blade wielding. Elrond is an half elf from a period when humans and elves were still on good terms. Elrond was still connected to his human part were the high elves had seperated them from the world (Galadriels magic that was an invisible border protecting Lothlorien) and preparing to leave Middle Earth
In the actual book Galadriel was so cheerished and loved by her people that strands of her hair was said to be a gift so priceless it showed a friendship and trust between two races elves/dwarves. This show is so twisted it spits on the image of Tolkien a legacy tainted by this catastrophy.
As almost everything in the West during recent years it's made by empty people who actively hate source material (for not being a kind of shitty propaganda that they make).
There was so much about this abomination that I hated, but the fact that made Galadriel, a character who was wise even as a child, act like Fëanor 2.0. That alone shows the writers knew absolutely nothing about the books they supposedly went back to again and again.
@@IUsedToBeAnAdventurerLikeYou Exactly. I don't think the showrunners and writers know Feanor at all! Lol. In all of Tolkien's versions, she's consistently against Feanor.
Sauron was meant to be attractive and likeable, especially at the time RoP is meant to be set, but Galadriel was meant to be one of the few who saw through that disguise. This isn't even an issue of extended works vs LotR appendices. Galadriel has always been one of the few who sees through any disguise Sauron tries to pull so the fact that she gets duped by Halbrand is a major disservice to her character and the level of rivalry the two have.
@@MysterioFan02 Tbh, while I agree with everyone shitting on Galadriel, I do rather like what they did with Sauron. Halbrand seems a MUCH better disguise than something more epic and impressive. I don't much care for the idea of seeing Sauron as the 'Lord of Gifts' (Annatar). That just makes him conspicuous. Halbrand blends in more.
I mean Asmon is right, it is fanfiction, but it's multi-billion dollar fanfiction while still having the writing quality of 'edgy teenager first go at fiction.'
@@rafaelcastor2089 reality. I don't give a flying fuck what a corpo asseater from across the ocean tells me is canon in LOTR. There are Tolkien's books and LITERALLY nothing else.
There goes the differences betwen character single handedly created by one author with intention to tell a story vs a character created in a board meeting with intention to fit the checklist of strong women. empowerment.
And they failed at that. If they wanted to make her character a strong female lead, then they shouldn't have just made her a moody/rash, male analog. Clad her in armor and give her a sword, basically, make her a dude. Plus her power comes from her grace, her resolve, her nurturing, and wisdom, all qualities they dropped to make her, well, more manly and flawed. She is not a warrior and doesn't need to be one to be a strong female lead. It's like they pandered to feminists without considering what a strong women in her position would even look like or act like, failing at both in the process.
Even if RoP-Galadriel was played by a man, it would still be a bad character. A traditional male hero is likeable not just because he can beat up bullies and evil-doers, but also because he is selfless and stands up for those who need him. Even if he is outwardly an aloof anti-hero, he will still have that "heart of gold" when it counts. RoP-Galadriel lacks that completely.
Quoting someone else here - "It is generally agreed that $1 billion was spent on Rings of Power. If we take into account inflation, this would be $587 million in 2002, during the middle of filming of LOTR. The budget of LOTR was $281 million. So, even adjusted for inflation, the budget of ROP was still a whopping 108.8% higher than LOTR. Second, LOTR total run time (Extended Editions) is 683 minutes. Total run time of all ROP episodes is approximately 560 minutes across all 8 episodes. This means that "They had to spread the budget out over a bunch of TV episodes" doesn't hold water because the movie is actually longer than the show while spending significantly less."
The difference is how the idea started LOTR as a passion project of 3 broke genious people struggling with their every being just to her the project greenlit. ROP is the work of a sociopathic billionaire who thinks money = equals quality. One is a rough climp up a mountain hill with the extacy that follows reaching the top, the other is a golden slip N slide with an elephant sized poop at the end.
@@oskardanigsecher9906 yikes! The sociopathic billionaire is Jeff Bezos, I assume? You think he had anything at all to do with the production of this show? Please.. Also, fyi, money equals quality is wrong, you're correct there, BUT money CAN equal quality. In fact, most of the time it does. 1000s of movies come out each year, but 99% don't have any funding, so can't pay for marketing, quality cast or production crew, can't pay for cinema slots, can't pay for good equipment, can't create good sets or shoot on location, and so they become indie films which you never hear about. All the movies/tv-shows which are really good have a lot of money put into them. With, obviously, some exceptions. But exceptions don't make the rules. PS. who are the 3 broke geniuses?
@@Lukas-ht9xm Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens and Peter Jackson. I never said that money cant make production value higher but if the passion isn't there it's never going to be anything truly great. The Really special thing About the lotr movies is how passionate every layer of the production team was from the make-up artists to the set designers all the way to the post production team. I highly reccomend watching the behind the scenes part of the Blu-rays, it's Really inspiring.
@@oskardanigsecher9906 LOTR is king. I watch them at least once a year, I've seen the blu-ray. I get what you're saying, I'm only arguing that money doesn't equal quality. It does. It's just that after a certain amount of money that graph tends to level out quite quickly. Im also arguing against Bezos having anything to do with RoP. I'm not a fan of the 3 geniuses idea either.
I wish I was able to say to myself "It's just a fan-fiction" and go on without being frustrated by what I seen, even if it was a bad one. But it's impossible. Tokien wrote such an immense and qualitative piece of literature, which paved the way for so many Fantasy universes and artworks. And years after, what is seen as one of the best trilogy in cinema history, The Lord Of The Rings, which adapted as perfectly as it could do, a portion of what Tolkien created, we would have the opportunity to see characters/places/events/eras we never thought possible on screen. But we didn't. Cause the colossal budget were given to the wrong people, with the wrong mindset.
Calling it fanfiction is such an insult to actual Tolkien fans, who could’ve written a better story that honored Tolkien’s world and his writing. Amazons ROP was using the names and places from Tolkien’s world for brand recognition and making a generic ass fantasy show and trying to pass it off as Tolkien.
In the anime Demons only speak to humans to live/kill them. One scene in the anime of a young demon and he only says “mama” is because it what makes humans from not killing it even though the young demon killed multiple people that gave the young demon mercy. It is established in the anime that demons have no remorse and only care about themselves. The reason why Frieren is so cold against them is because of that fact and that her home village was also destroyed by demons. Just like what the anime implies they are monsters that learn how to speak to kill humans. Give mercy to a demon will only lead to casualties based on the anime’s world.
Yeah how Frieren does demons marks it out as very UNlike Tolkien. Even the maker of that video thought so, as he made another video pointing that out. The people saying Freiren is very Tolkien-esque are missing that LotR repeatedly insists on the opposite perspective, as did Tolkien, and hence he likely would've taken strong exception to how Freiren writes about evil.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn I mean there's something to say about demons from friend and orcs from LOTR, just plain evil and corrupt, I guess the demons are smarter lol
@@NoctisSIEG No, the orcs in Tolkien are specifically written to be creatures of pity, NOT evil. They weren't even a separate species - the orcs were descendants of elves, who in ages past were brutally tortured and mutilated to become orcs. Tolkiens' heroes also repeatedly caution against being merciless and cold as Freiren is, especially Gandalf. Aragorn seeks peace with the folk that formerly followed the Dark Lord, such as the Haradrim. Even the Dark Lord himself - Sauron, and even his master Melkor - were written as not originally evil, but corrupted by having different designs from the one god Eru. Even the Dark Lord himself was repeatedly forgiven, and ultimately 'died' due to expending himself rather than being killed by the heroes. There is no part of LOTR that champions the ideas that Freiren does about evil.
This is what happens when creatively void creatures get hold of amazing stories. Their egotistical natures makes them compelled to rewrite everything in their own morally corupt views and most of all,they lack talent.
@@elliotgillum Yes, Evil. I'd prefer not downplaying whatever is ruining Western media. Since the same types are trying to spread their infestation to our East Asian media.
@@elliotgillumit’s not for you and me but I know some hardcore fans who are upset with how their favorite IP is not respected and making a big stink about it. I don’t judge them for it though. We are all passionate about different things.
Adar and his orcs are a group of peoples who are segregated ,who are trying to find a land to live in but are exterminated by a army led by a Pure Elf and are saved by Sauron who give them a promised land ....oh...OH...OOOHHOOHOHO
I don't know. I found the show to be pretty boring, watched the first episode and that was it. Frieren doesn't do much, its like she is just there for some scenes, and the scenes would play out the same way if she wasn't there.
I'm middle/ older aged. At times it feels like I've just gotten started, and other times, I feel like centuries have passed. I've seen so much change, lost so many people and I keep seeing so many messes time and time again. In all of it, it's time that becomes the biggest enemy and my biggest regret is in relationship to people, especially losing them. Now I know that it's inevitable and I need to appreciate them while I can.
@@Subvaries That's fair. I don't think Frieren is for everyone since the premise of the show is introspection since the main adventure is over. Also, I think the story is really about Himmel and how we're honoring his memory through Frieren and her journey. I've read somewhere that Frieren is a cozy fantasy slice-of-life, and I agree. I'm almost 30 and I just want something calm, heartfelt, and interesting to end my hectic day. It's subtle message about death and grief also hits me because of personal stuff. So, yeah, its not for everyone and that's okay.
i got through 7 mins of this video, paused, binged all 16 (currently) episodes for Frieren, and will now finish this vid. Frieren is incredibly well done btw
I considering such option right now (alternative if watch Asmon's video to the end first and only then go binge Frieren, because i saw enough to get invested)
I really like the narration in Frieren, where they go into great detail how demons use words as a tool - as a means to an end - just because it works on humans, despite most often they can't even grasp the meaning of those words , which they utter. They just use words, cause it works, while it is completely foreign to them. It's written and thought out masterfully.
Later we meet a demon who tried to live together with humans. It didn't work out of course. It's also been said that the Demon King actually wanted the same which made him so dangerous.
Yep, in the manga it is said that demons are basically evolved from monster with mimic abilities to lure in prey. Demons being specialized in hunting humans.
Talking about words, as a German I can't fail to notice that their names are literally "freezing" (as in feeling cold) "heaven" (to her) "joyful" (a bard?) and "iron" (dwarf).
I want to thank Disney, Amazon and HBO for turning me off from my most beloved fantasy franchises. Made me a more adult person, to not give a shit about these franchises anymore and it also heightened my appreciation and understanding of the original core material. Now my final test will be, to not give them my money anymore and only pirate this shit to laugh at it.
I definitely stopped watching their stuff from their website. Just no reason to as they aren't even worth $1. I don't remember the last time I actually watched a movie for enjoyment these past years. Simply see myself going back to older movies every time. I was born in 2003 and I still watch movies and shows released before I was born, and enjoy it a lot more than the trash being released nowadays.
really so she wasn't spiteful towards feanor during the darkening of valinor? you actually read this books or you just assuming garbage? seeming like the latter.
@@be1mont810what does Fëanor leaving Valinor have to do with Finrod? Finrods death was much later. And he’s right, she didn’t have anything to do with Avenging Finrod. True Galadriel wasn’t ever really a fan of Fëanor but that’s a totally different subject.
@@KeytarArgonian do you not understand finrod left with fingolfin, who was following feanor, the successor of finwe, king of the Noldor. It's explicitly stated Galadriel went to middle earth to spite feanor and rule her own land. Unfinished tales goes further since some of Tolkiens last notes stated he intended to have Galadriel fighting the Noldor at alqualonde in the first kinslaying. Galadriel and altogether noldorin elves were quite violent and vengeful... that's why there is a war of the jewels for like 600 years. So no, Galadriel being that way never changes but adding the dynamic about her brother works. Tolkien in some letters ( if you really want the exact one, I can get it but not home) where he states Sauron saw Galadriel as his biggest threat to his rise in power in the 2nd age.
@@be1mont810 yeah I do know all of that. My point is what you are arguing has nothing to do with what the OP said. He said she wasn’t vengeful regarding Finrod and it’s a show invention. Her wanting a land to rule and so taking part in the flight of the Noldor has nothing to do with Finrod at all.
Ripley is stoic in the beginning of Alien and makes good decisions but as everyone around her makes stupid mistakes it puts her into more and more danger. Her character arc is her having to deal with the fear and not break down, she manages to pull herself back together by the end of the movie. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
The crew of the Nostromo were actually rational, resourceful, and systematic in their pursuit of the alien. They were just overmatched and set up for failure by the Weyland Yutani corporation. Who broke quarantine protocols? It was an android acting on company orders.
You want to know what makes those super stoic female characters work so well? Like Sarah Connor, Ripley and The Bride? They’re all feminine. Not sexually feminine, but MATERNALLY feminine. That makes an enormous difference. Take Sarah Connor in T2, if you look at her actions and take away her maternal instinct or relationship with John, she’s actually just Rings of Power Galadriel. A bit of an asshole obsessed with Vengeance.
Ripley actually has a lot of emotion and shows it. However, she is good at controlling her fear and fueling it into actions that push her through the danger around her, rather than falling apart. So she is stoic where it has power, but is otherwise quite relatable - which makes her a good character. Combine that with the fact that she isn't trying to to go head-to-head physically with the Alien, instead using wits to avoid bad situations and only sparsely combating the Alien by using modern weaponry set up in difficult-to-fail circumstances (like a flamethrowing along a ventiliation shaft), and it becomes very believable. The strength of fantasy is for the world to be fantastical, while having characters that are realistic trying to deal with that world. If the characters themselves are too fantastical then you need to lean on some other genre's strengths to remain interesting (whether that is the visuals and sound of action movies, the passion of romance stories, the humour of comedy shows, etc.). A female lead who is physically overpowering compared to their enemies is difficult to relate to and is quite fantastical - so the only time it shines is when it veers into other genres.
@@KeytarArgonian Wow. Confirmation bias much? Do we need to highlight the sexually feminine elements of EACH of those characters? It's like you made up a point and then tried to force it to be reasonable.
@@jackgraham3 i didn’t point out the sexually feminine points about them. There are different kinds of femininity, three main kinds actually. Maternal, sexual and innocent, like children and teens. It just so happens that the three most often cited characters (listed above) are far more maternally feminine than sexually. It’s like you were so quick to jump in to comment you didn’t actually read mine.
For context, Finrod is the first elf to interact with the first men, he played them the harp which Tolkien describes "made men better", not to mention when the elves realised men eventually die from old age they were distraught, kind of like when a child discovers their pet died.
Hit the nail on the head about the lack of subtlety. It's like, you get a feel for someone's personality based on what their actions, body language, choice of words, tone etc. communicate. But instead it's like "This person is like this! We know because they said it explicitly to us!".
There was something to note concerning the demon girl scene. We actually learn she says "mommy" not because she's calling for one, as we learn earlier that Demons don't have parents. They're sent off once born to learn to survive, no support. But they learn that saying things like "mommy" makes people hesitate and consider their actions. If the demon wasn't somewhat domesticated, it would have attempted something then and there.
Yeah, the demons use such language 100% as a means to an end. They do not even understand that it invokes emotions in the humans, only that the humans hesitate for some reason when they do it. Just like when Ludgar or whatever his name is, is surrounded and the Grat guy is talking about his son. He brings up his Father, yet he does not even have a father or know of what it's like to have a family and the other executioner is curious as to why he said that.
@@THExJMC Yep. Learning to exploit human sympathy/empathy. Demons will even try to fake peace treaties and equality so u will hav ur guard down before destroying ur entire city.
Yeah how Frieren does demons marks it out as very UNlike Tolkien. Even the maker of that video thought so, as he made another video pointing that out. The people saying Freiren is very Tolkien-esque are missing that LotR repeatedly insists on the opposite perspective, as did Tolkien, and hence he likely would've taken strong exception to how Freiren writes about evil.
@@kaltaron1284 Ah okay, I binged the whole thing to get caught up in the last couple days and have trouble remembering some characters' names since they're only relevant for an episode or 2. If I'm not mistaken the count is called Graf Granat which in my poor memory of his name I typed as Grat.
Some adaptations just do not work out of the gate in a visual medium, and some do. RIngs Of Power would have if they had not fucked around on the writing and the rights.
i feel like the more die hard a fanbase is the more critical they are of new stuff actually. the same thing happened to star wars, that disgrace of a trilogy is in my mind just fanfiction and it never happened, and im not alone in that.
I mean I’m fine with movies changing over time especially if it’s something like Star Wars. But I don’t care for laziness in writing or lack of deep thought or progression. They don’t have to use Mary Sue’s in order to write good women characters. That is an excuse that Hollywood uses because they are too lazy and lack creativity to write a story worth a damn. Star Wars changed lord of the rings changed and Marvel changed. None of those changes had to be bad changes, but the people responsible for making the newer versions made the shows bad it is a cause and effect thing there is someone to blame here. It’s not like diehard fans want the same thing presented to them all the time forever that is a myth spread by people who want to sell you dog shit, lazy stories, and say well the toxic fanboys blah blah blah. It’s an excuse and a shitty one at best. These people make upwards of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars they have no business writing shitty ass stories and using some of the worst CGI I’ve ever fucking seen let’s not get it twisted and blame the fans for why the shows are so bad
For me Frieren really felt great when she was looking for a spell to make grapes super sour because Eisen loves sour grapes. Little details like that blow rings of power out the water.
Kinda related but, I always find it funny most of the spell she collected in the journey are simple "useless" utility magic, like seeing through clothes, making flower grows, or preventing you misspeak in tongue twister
@@Brettlakenfitting because eisen is the strongest warrior in freiren universe, and theres a scene where freiren thought warriors can casually fall from very high altitude without getting damage because she sees eisen do it all the time
The problem Asmongold has with strong female characters can probably be explained by the writer's purpose: in anime/manga, theres shitton of strong female characters who overpower men, but it never feels like they were written like that because theyre stronk girlbosses who are better than men and blah blah blah feminist drivel; theyre badass because the writer wanted them to be badass and also attractive/likeable females, with no agenda behind them
about men not liking stoic girls: once again, lots of stoic girls in anime, but theyre not written for the sole purpose of feminist agenda to be tough uncaring assholes, caricatures of "toxic masculinity", theyre written according to the story best example of the top of my head: Homura from Madoka Magica (spoilers btw for a 10+ year old show) Homura from the beginning is portrayed as a cold stoic girl, almost a bitch sometimes, whos hellbent on just one purpose, much like RoP Galadriel, but as we learn more about the world/other characters, we begin to understand her more, and then the big reveal in episode 10 where we see she was actually a cute timid moe girl, but because she couldnt save her best friend from dying, and then watching her die over and over every time she turned back time, she turns cold and stoic and hellbent on just saving her friend and then in the movie she goes insane but thats a whole nother story lmao
Yeah. Mereleona from black clover comes to mind. That woman pushes literally everyone around but she is such s badass that even villains with the advantage were impressed at her level of power.
just in case, this has nothing to do with the lord of the rings, the events u see in that garbage of an abomination show do not happen in the lord of the rings, galadriel never goes with sauron as pals, she doesnt fight in wars, she is not the comander of the northern armys etc, all made up garbage with the name of the lord of the rings in its title.
100% agree. The animation is top notch as well. I read the manga until (spoilers-left-out), but the show does it complete justice and even more. From the beginning when Frieren is walking on that road and the subtle red glow from the sun through her earings unto her neck had me clapping for madhouse on yet again knocking it out of the park. In the manga, Frieren's confrontation with Aura had my expectations for the anime really high... but, Stark's fight with Linie in the show made the manga look tame in comparison. Phenomenal job, Madhouse, well done.
i cant describe in words the love i have for this anime. it is not insanely deep nor has crazy complexity but is so elegantly subtle yet soulful not to mention Evan Call's soundtracks for the adaptation is absolutely stunning
Really odd hearing this lmao, me and my sister watch lord of the rings and hobbits every year and we absolutely love this show. And im watching Frieren and never even thought they had the same thoughts....just so weird for me to hear this
@@jorgetinoco3574 I know a few people either like or thought it was a good show. That's fine. We all have different taste. I do think the general opinion on the show, that it wasn't good. Don't remember the number but only 20-30% people that started it actually finished it. That's a pretty big drop off.
Asmon starts describing Ungoliant draining the trees and I had two thoughts pop into my head..."Oh shit he read The Silmarillion" Followed by "Damn I wish I could have visually seen the Balrogs come rescue Morgoth from Ungoliant, it would have been sick"
I like that "Frieren" was referenced to contrast with the crap writing of "Rangs of Pooper". "Sousou no Frieren" is a damn good fantasy story, does something new with the very typical fantasy setup, as well as being an incredible character-driven narrative.
And other huge differences, You realize that Frieren fight her enemies with experience she doesn’t need to make huge Battle she knows how to fight with little effort and cunning tactics . In opposite of Gradile she always fight like she has all the power in the world and let go without thinking in the fight
Frieren defeats the demon who created the killing curse by...giving it to humans who studied it and created a defensive spell to counter it. Utilizing her experience with humans. She also trusts fern to protect her with her skills with defense and casting speed. It's a collaborative effort to tackle a threat that major at his time. As well as showing she isn't the end all be all. Gladys holds a swordfight with 3 men because she is so powerful. She picks fights because she is so powerful. She kills ogers because she is powerful.
@@NameIsDoc, so, 4 months passed. did you watched it to the end and figured out, that Frieren could deal wih Qual alone, but simply tuned it into training for Fern? if anything, Frieren is way more powerful in her world standarts than Galadriel in her's. but Frieren doesn't go all in to show off, and also she lets her companions to grow through those fights too.
@@Circle9ru I read it more like a F U to quall. The demons viewed humanity as a pest or prey and here they are creating counters to their deadliest spells and here is a young girl being able to deflect his attack and call it basic. That was the purpose to take out quall and show her faith in humanity.
@@NameIsDoc, well, the trick is that Frieren was there helping ppl woth Zoltrack. even demons know she had significant impact on that event. and it will go on in manga, the thing deamons don't understand yet, what makes Frieren dangerous to them is not the fact she kills every demon she come across, no even killing strongest ones of them, its her turning the magic they spent ages to deveop into nothing at best or giving it to humans at worst. Qual and Aura are only 2 of Seven Sages of Destruction, hero parti killed one more before - Bose the Immortal, they one Wirbel mentioned in his monologue about hero party stories, and Frieren despelled his magic before they killed him aswell. and later in the manga she will analyze and make a counteer for magic of another one of 7, she won't kill him personaly, but her counterspell will help [certain someone] to kill that demon.
Stoicism is about taking things slow, approaching everything with wisdom and a sense of justice. Accepting what you can and cannot change. Tempering your emotions and expectations. Knowing that all will work out in the end. Gladys isn't acting stoic she is acting rash
I had a wonderful opportunity to talk with Stark's english VA. He compared it to LotR without me bringing it up. It does wonderful justice to the fantasy genre.
Arcane's Vi broke the strong woman MC stereotype by showing that she cares more about her family than appearing tough (turning herself in). That's what made people like her despite her tumblr haircut, her muscles and lesbianism.
The brother Finrod had one of the most METAL deaths in LoTR lore, so much so he got BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE. He soloed a Super Werewolf presumably with his teeth after loosing all his gear and being chained up for losing the 2nd most epic rap battle in Middle Earth history against Sauron (1st was “The Creator v Middle Earth Satan”). It just follows a pattern that badass men are underplayed in RoP or their feats transferred to women.
@@felagund87 but they don’t even try to nod at it. They could mention he fought werewolves, mentioned his song of power might match even Sauron, ect. I don’t know the exact rules but enough movies and shows are in similar situations but do better. I’m forced to assume he was downplayed or writers were unaware of the lore.
24:50 yeah it’s a huge problem, because in the books Galadriel was the only one who instantly recognized Sauron, while everyone else was bewitched by him. Amazon successfully took away her greatest asset, her wisdom.
This is the perfect example of why I have given up on hollywood, or any western movie or show made in these current times. I grew up hating anime and thought it was awful but I have began to see amazing stories with great writing in recent years and so I have begun to watch it more and be more accepting. A story with meaning and heart is far more better than and story of the egotistical empty minds.
If any of you want a story with a similar vibe to Frieren, I recommend the manga Bard Loen. It's a slice-of-life story about an old knight traveling on an aimless journey after he's retired.
This may sound strange but Frieren, to me, comes across as very Tolkien-esque. The comfy narrative which takes its time and mulls over the peculiarities of life, friendship, love, loss, regret and nostalgia. Beyond Journey's End is very much like The Hobbit and Lord of The Rings, I'm speaking of the books though and not the movies.
@@zigazdovc6175 that and Frieren is written as a classic fantasy exploring classic fantasy tropes not really trying to be a modern dated politically correct western show with washed down characters to not offend anyone
Frieren is so much better than I thought it would be. Its so perfectly balanced with action, world building, character progression, etc. I hope it gets at least 3 seasons.
Galadriel is a Mary Sue, doesn't matter that she has flaws that WE the AUDIENCE can perceive, but the storytelling don't deal with it as flaws. Her bad behavior and viciousness has no consequences and everyone that is against her is considered wrong, not by virtue of truth and righteousness, but because she's the protagonist. Meanwhile, the whole story of Frieren is about her flaws and the problems of her condition as an elf in a world of mortals.
nope aragorn really wasnt, his jurney is literally about taking the responsibility for what some dumbass people did back in a time, also he is a guide a help, not a main character, we are not folowing his path that much cuz he already went through things he already expirienced a lot. how can you not tell the simple difference like this? also damn chill lol it seems liek you thin people dont like galadriel cuz mysoginy, definitelly some minor precentage does, majority just hates here cuz she suck as a character simple. you have manny badass female characters that no one complains about, but they are written well @@gemelwalters2942
I think the even bigger problem is they are always so unbelievably unlikeable. They always think they are above everyone else, they talk down to people, they only care about themselves, they never accept help, they act like assholes since that is how the writers think you show they are independent etc etc.
"... I can't explain it, it just feels weird to me..." Okay, I'LL explain it then. The reason it's more believable for fantasy women to be mages rather than knights is because fantasy magic is a metaphor for GUNS. Instead of a pistol, you use Ray of Frost. Instead of a shotgun, you use Cone of Cold. Instead of an rpg, you cast Fireball. That's why it's more believable. Modern weapons are so deadly that they eliminate the gap between the sexes VERY fast. It's more believable that a woman will learn to use a pistol than it is for her to overpower a larger man without any leverage. Also, women who can shoot are hot. Nuff said.
That only deals with combat. In general, "female charms", and women being "mysterious", "incomprehensible" and "magical" are archetypal. In other words, women being witches is completely believable.
I totally agree with you, Sauron was way more empathetic, caring, evolving than Galadriel who was the same throughout the whole series. The qualities that Sauron had were more relatable than Galadriel as he was more human by effects than Galadriel. His character actually gave life a shot and wanted to live in "peace". I mean Australia's constitution was written for the 'peace, order and good government' in every state. That motive in which we live for now is what Sauron wanted, so why should Galadriel be the good person with the emphasis of trying to achieve freedom? So many unanswered questions because the writer was inconsistent with what they wrote, just scratching words on paper calls it a day, gets paid. Such scummy life we live in.
Who said she is a good person. She is a protagonist, that doesn't mean good. In fact, classically the protagonists are rarely good. See Shakespeare. If you emphasize with Sauron that makes sense too.
Also, perhaps one the plan of both character is reverse them at the end of story. Sauron becomes inhuman and Galadriel becomes relatable, understanding and compassionate
I kinda think the writers want to make Galadriel, the heroine, were unlikable at first but becoming better later. While Sauron (forgot his fake name here) looks likable and friendly but actually evil and corrupting. However, if the audiences are not hooked in early story arc, it means the writing failed
@@hafirenggayuda A whole season has passed. I'm not sure how long you will be anticipating this show for. Like apart from that wizard's story; where we found out, who he and was who he is, what his powers are, but we didn't understand why he is there. He had the most character development. With Galadriel we never understood her background and motives not because that is her character or anything like that. It's because it's never written or emphasized at all. We were expected as an audience to follow along with it and suck it up. Look at Macbeth's fighting scene for instance. We understand a lot about Macbeth from the fight because Shakespeare wrote something to build Macbeth's character even further through it. He is strong and stoic bound by a prophecy that he will forever be king. He fights at his castle and singlehandedly defeats many opponents. He fights the guy that eventually kills him but loses armour pieces during the challenge. His crown and stoic attitudes begin to wear down when he realises he can't fight on any longer. He sees the prophecy to be false and struggles to keep his crown on his head. So we see him stabbed suddenly through the heart and dies. It shows how a person cannot take on multiple burdens alone no matter how invincible the author may make them. While we believe our world is instantly different the characters are no different than us. Weakness to elements begins when the mind weakens. Talking to his opponent and reasoning how wrong he was, reaching a conclusion through conversation was his defeat. Meanwhile when Galadriel was stuck on the island. Instead of showing a bit of a wear down as all her opportunities for growth and leaving the country were nullified. The character was made into a bully who threatened people instead of talking to them and understanding them.
I haven’t watched Sousou no Frieren and for life of me, the short scenes of it shown in this video had more emotional impact than the whole season of Rings of Power.. cant wait to get back home and fire up this anime on the big screen.
I do like how in Frieren everything fades in time, like the part with the other elven hero who's now forgotten even though he once saved the area once upon a time
21:01 this is where Warcraft 3 used to shine, too. Each faction's story was an incredibly human story (even though the races might've not been.) Jaina's conflict and search for peace, the Horde's search for a place and meaning, the Alliance's struggle for survival, Arthas's ruthless quest for domination, Illidan's own "the end justifies any means" crusade. ALL of these stories were incredibly human and relatable even from the perspective of someone who'd never touched the medium and watched them for the first time. Then you look at crap like Shadowlands and you see how far departed WoW is from what made it initially great.
RoP is anti-fan fiction, it is purposefully designed to piss off fans and call them racist bigots at the first occasion. Amazon was so eager to insult the fans that they didn't even wait a few days to get a genuine reaction, and instructed shill journalists to immediately release fake outrage articles. Since then, internal sources to the company have confirmed that they are aiming for this "content as activism" strategy. They want a very stupid audience who will watch their shows "because it triggers the haters," without realizing you don't encourage loyalty this way.
To be fair, fan fiction doesn't have to be good or even faithful to the source material. Good fan fiction is, though, and if we regard ROP as fan fiction it's not the good kind. I seriously wanted it to be good, but the sheer amount of dumb stuff in it eventually forced me to admit it wasn't a good show. It could have been, if they just focused on good writing. Then people might actually enjoy the show, and we cannot have that now, can we?
Here's my deal. If they had advertised this show as a "reimagining" of Lord of the Rings, where we'd see some of our beloved characters on-screen, but not necessarily within the context of Tolkien's works, I can bet you a million bucks this series would have been far-better received by LotR fans. If it had simply been advertised as a reimagining. No problem with that. Studios did this with the 2010 version of Alice in Wonderland-- wasn't the greatest film in the world, but it wasn't panned for "not being the book" because it wasn't advertised that way. So it was a success. Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera: advertised as an rock opera reimagining of the story. Super successful. Snow White and the Huntsman: same thing. Good movie? Maybe not the greatest, but (again) wasn't panned for "not being Snow White", and it went on to be a success. It was because Rings of Power declared that it was Tolkien's work "come to life". And that was an emphatic lie. People went in expecting to see Tolkien's work, and they got a completely different story masquerading as a half-baked version of The Silmarillion. It's one thing to change a story from its written works to satisfy certain cinematic aspects. Miss Peregrine's Home For Peculiar Children (2016). Stardust (2007). A Series of Unfortunate Events (2004). All these films, btw, *were wholeheartedly approved by the original writers.* But you don't f**k with a fanbase that's lasted three quarters of a century. You just don't.
It’s kind of ironic in a way that Sauron has to help guide her around diplomacy and act as the more mature and intelligent one. So much so that this ‘girl-boss’ now feels more like an out of control child throwing a tantrum while her partner is just so done with it.
Good example of the Frieren subtle story telling: Every characters German name is an implication toward their personality and characteristics. For example: Frieren=freezing/frozen, like frozen in time or cold toward others, Fern= far away/distant, Stark=strong, Himmel=sky/Heaven, Heiter=joy/cheerfulness, Eisen= iron, etc.
It’s so funny, reading mangas with German names in it. Bookworm is also the same, all gods have German names. God Leidenschaft God ewig leben Funny is, mangas are always picking Westens stories and mixing it with there own cultural story. Westen writers front do that, bc they look at other culture and think there are superior
@@Ghostleeee I noticed that too with some american writers or companies that genuinely think they are superior and think that means they can't learn anything new or useful from others. But western writings biggest problems are the restrictions they place on themselves. Like I heard from a US indie writer who has a youtube channel called David Stuart, that in the US they have a committee like group who put up guidelines what can and can not be in a book to be published. And they have rules like what kind of characters have to be in the books and how to depict certain things like alien races (Which was the reason old sci-fi authors like Isaac Asimov and Frank Herbert didn't include them in their books) And now they are enforcing that on European countries as well. Indie should be fine, but books in bookstores are all in danger.
The German word "frieren" is a verb, it means to feel cold. If things (i.e. water) freeze, the German verb would be "einfrieren". While freezing to death is "erfrieren". The noun _cold_ or _coldness_ would translate to "(die) Kälte".
It's like she took a millenial writing perk to unlock extra annoying perks. Also Sauron is supposed to be charismatic AF at this point, later on he gets nuked and has to resort to use artificial bodies like the ring
@@ImperativeGames ROP Sauron isn't even really an asshole. ROP Sauron wanted to just chill and be a smith in Numenor, but ROP Galadriel literally strong armed him into going back to Mordor. Honestly I felt a little bad for him, and THATS how I knew that they got it all wrong.
Glad frieren is getting popular. It’s A great example of an amazing anime that doesn’t need to rely on fan service tropes. Me and my daughter are watching it together and we both love it, it’s a great story. Lots of emotion, great music and crisply animated. I really hope it continues.
I 100% agree even though I am a fan of fan service. Thing is I love variety. I want both deep interesting narratives and trashy romcoms that can only be called guilty pleasures. Though I have been getting tired of how all anime recently has just doing the same fan service route recently
@@shmerelize it’s a mature show in its subject matter being deep themes of mortality, time, what people do with their lives. But as long as you think your kid can understand it and not be bored by some of the more slow contemplative scenes it’s fine for a kid to watch. The worst it gets as far as not safe for work stuff is the guys talking about their preferences in women, a single small dick joke, and the joke scene about fern buying a potion to melt clothes that became a meme
35:30 It's not "fucked up", it's PURE logic. Psychopaths, what these demons are modelled after, are not insane. Insanity is clinically defined as being irrational. Psychopaths are hyperrational, not deterred by emotions like pity, regret or remorse, nor most other emotions. They can get thrills from sadistic highs or the thrill of their bad behaviour found out, but that's it - which is why they seek those thrills. Being hyper-rational does not mean they find the correct answers to things, that still relies on what information you have and how your hubris messes with that. Hubris is something strong in psychopaths. To someone incapable of forming emotional bonds, and in the background of the show, not even understanding what family means, the behaviour and explanations of the demon girl are completely logical. To psychopaths, as well as narcissists in general, people are not people. People are things, resources. Thus to the demon girl, the mayor cried about having lost his daughter, so the demon girl killed a mother to give him her daughter so he could have a daughter again. The psychopath demon girl does not comprehend the concept of an emotional bond and just sees "daughter" as a thing to be owned; as children of psychopaths who were lucky to not get these evil genes passed on, surely, traumatized, learned throughout their childhood: That they were never seen as people, but possessions.
20:28 I'd have to agree. I've dabbled a little in some martial arts when I was younger. We did mixed trainings. I might have been stronger than some men back then, but most definitely not stronger than the men I was training with. Imagine fighting full blown warriors, it just won't happen. It is one of my gripes with the Viking shows these days too, I mean there were some shield maidens, but exeptionally rare, basically all the fighters were male. If women really wanted someone dead, they'd generally have to be more resourceful, like poisoning food or stabbing someone in the neck while they were asleep, or cursing them or whatever if that works haha. For me as a female it's not really relatable either to see a woman killing a gazillion warriors around her with her sword. 38:03 As far as a stoic female characters not being something men would like, I'm not sure I agree. Like one of the chatters said, some Japanese female stoic characters are very well written and do have male fans. I'm also a rather stoic person myself, and do notice most men prefer more emotional ladies, but luckily there are those who actually appreciate it if emotions aren't out there so much, and when they are, at least they are real.
Book Arya vs show Arya. When book Arya kills someone, it's often the product of some social engineering. The dude doesn't know that he's in danger until he's dead.
It's not only about relatability. This kind of 'women stronk' media portrayal is dangerous to the women who come to believe in this fictitious physical equality.
Honestly this is one of the points I disagree with in this video. While I don’t really like the “women stronk” portrayal we’ve been getting lately, I think women winning in physical battles can still work. As long as there’s some nuance about it. Like black widow uses techniques, weapons, her environment and gadgets to beat her opponents. I also think it’s a bit weird to talk about relatability in this matter when the alternative in question is Women using magic. How is that more relatable or realistic?
Agree with the second point - a well-written character can really have any kind of traits and still be appealing in a wide variety of ways. It's that she is unlikeable that is the problem, and it's not "stoicism" doing that.
Finrod is my favorite character from the Legendarium. He is one of the most well rounded elves described and played the role of Prometheus to Man, as Orome was to the Elves. He wasn't described so much a warrior but as a wise elf who built the cavernous stronghold of Nargothrond and battled Sauron with songs of magic. His house of Finarfin was spared from exile because they did not partake in the 1st kinslaying. Finrod followed the exiled elves to Middle Earth because he wanted to OPPOSE Feanor's rule. The fact that they portrayed him joining oaths with the 7 sons of Feanor just shows that money is not spent correctly in these big budget productions.
Can you imagine if we'd gotten at least a hint of the Songs of Power scene?? Finrod is amazing in the books and does so much and I'll never forgive ROP for just killing him off screen.
@@DiZ_490 One of his best moments is his conversation with Andreth that highlights the mortal difference between elves and men. The elves have and will have seen many changes of seasons and view that passage from such a different perspective. It's really jarring for this to exist in the same universe as bratty 9000+yo Galadriel.
She's that one D&D player constantly getting the party in trouble by claiming to be a "chaotic neutral" character, but playing it like chaotic evil because that's what they really wanted to be and the DM/party wouldn't allow it.
only issue with watching Frieren is that some of the sublty of the story is lost even in the translation from subtitled to dubbed. The dubbed version even spoon feeds you plot points and hints. LIke the removal of complexity and revealing of information with out asking the audience to think has become so bad, even the dubs of an anime would choose thin the depth of dialogue just to make things more apparent for the viewer.
Yeah, the whole "Frieren the Slayer" thing for example. For those who don't know, Frierens title is actually the same as title of the anime. It could be rougly translated to "Frieren, who sends on last journey"
the twist is that that's the name she's got from demons as she's the last thing they see before "being sent on the last journey", but i guess they just didnt bother retaining that@@gorn5264
the issue with galadriel isnt just that she is a warior its that she never gets hit by anyone like aragorn almost got killed by lurtz and then you have galadriel casualy beating 5 6 dudes and not using like dodgin but just pure power it doesnt make any sense they had to make her fights closer at least so they would be belivable
You're comparing Aragorn, a guy who is around 80 year's old at the time of the Lord of the Rings, to fucking Galadriel, who is around 5000 years old at the time of the Rings of Power, and has been is countless wars, saw all kinds of shit that Aragorn couldn't even dream of... Like Aragorn is not going to come close to her power.
While in Frieren's case, it told and shown many times she and her party (old and new) losing her fights despite having great magic power. It's through great effort and cooperation they manage to defeat difficult foes.
@@Xsorus they are both best swordsman of their movie/show so yea i make it to point out how to make a good fights scene vs how to make bad fight scene and lets not forget galadriel casualy defeated troll that a felowship barely defetead with gandalf and legolas
She would absolutely curb stomp a troll, She's one of the oldest living elves at the time of the show... Like I don't think you grasp how powerful she is at that point. @@franciskofranc7828
The lack of realism really comes from the bad fight scene writing than Galadriel bei,g a women or never been in difficulty. Take another popular fantasy serie : GOT. When Brienne of Torth or Arya (half the time) fight, it is believable. It is pure bullshit like every fights on TV but the coreography makes it believable. While in ROP, when Galadriel kill the oger or fight these five or six men, it is weird because the coreography is so bad that everything feels unnatural and not in a good way. For instance, Galadriel is suppose to have a lot more strenght than any human because she is an elf, but it is very inconsistant throughout the show. It is difficult to see her being dragged against her will by a human in one scene and making one fly after barely pushing him in the next. If the writers were consistant (like for Wonder Woman for instance) the fight scenes would nit be so weird.
I feel like writers now dont know people. Its not their fault. Older writers came from strife. War, steel mills hard labor. These new breed writers come from college. They dont know the mud the blood and the beer. Their war is being called the wrong pronoun. And it seems like a big deal to them. But to the rest of us that spend 14 hours a day trying not to die at work its a joke.
@@michaelknox3715 someone with talent can still write garbage if they don’t understand humans. Its when talent and knowledge meet that you get a rockstar writer/director. I think that holds true in any profession really.
I like the phrase "shared human experience", because it tells that there is a universal truth which affects us all, no matter how different we are on the surface, and that's the difference between good and bad fictional writers. Good fiction writers know for example, that believebility is judged based on reference. For example, there are no dragons irl, so people are more willing to accept more variations of then, as long as they have some kind of wings. But people know instinctively that the more south you go, the darker the skin color gets, and no matter how high fantasy your story is, it will not change how people will perceive the world based on hiw the real world is. The shared human experience also affect how people will expect male and female characters to act in a given situation, etc.
"Does Finrod even have friends?" Oh boy, from a Tolkien fanboy's perspective that question hurts! During his time in Middle Earth, making friend was something he was better at than any other character of the First Age! He was the first elf in Beleriand that encountered humans and immediately set out to befriend them, and succeeded. He gave his life for his friends in one of the most heroic sacrifices of that age.
Do you want to feel old ? Cate Blanchett was 32 years old when she played Galadriel in the first LOTR movie. Same with Hugh Jackman in the first X-men movie
@@crustybomb115 Because we're following Frieren's story, yeah. The demon king's death is probably more important to the world as a whole, but Himmel's death is more important to the characters we follow, thus that becomes the frame of reference.
It's not always that physically powerful women capable of dominating battlefields with brute force isn't possible, but how the character is set up and presented. What also matters is what an audience can infer from the character based on how they talk, carry themselves, etc. For instance when Erza is introduced in Fairy Tail, she's hyped up to be a beast of supreme strength, Lucy imagines a literal monstrous figure and makes the viewers speculate what this woman is supposed to look like as well and when she's introduced she's actually an average looking woman but she's carrying a fucking horn the size of three large men with a single hand and is dressed in armor. This establishes she has impressive strength but it isn't just because she was always like that as her backstory fills in the gaps without directly telling us. Her days as a slave although harsh and cruel definitely served a role in her abnormal strength as her as she's shown to be very focused, diligent, and hardworking. She's said to be the strongest member of guild before Gildarts, Mirajane, Mystogan and Loxus are stated to be at her same level or above and the main character Natsu, whose introduction involved causing mass destruction, and Gray, portrayed to be a rival to Natsu, are both so terrified of getting their ass kicked by her immediately stop their bickering. They build her up as a powerhouse properly before having her trounce a room filled with enemies with ease. And no one ever complains or criticize her as a Mary Sue, even though she very much could've been rightfully criticize as one earlier because the show never shows her off as infallible. She takes her opponents seriously and acknowledges them as threats that can harm if she's careless and she doesn't even say that, you can tell just because of the look in her eye when she starts beating everyone's asses. Despite this she's shown to be an extremely vulnerable person later just before the Tower of Heaven arc when it's revealed that her armor isn't just part of her ascetical theme, it's actually metaphorical of her fears and insecurities. She wears it to feel safe and protected, because she doesn't ever want to be hurt again. She isn't strong because she's awesome, she's strong because she's broken and scared inside and is hiding from the world when she's wearing her armor. And as she overcomes these flaws her later attitude changes slightly, she's more often and more willing to reveal her frilly side, always seen taking interest in new clothing, often dresses and such, and obsessing over sweets. Despite her very masculine nature and boldness, she actually wants to be a very feminine woman, even going so far as to put a flower in her hair because she thought it was cute and is genuinely enraged when it hilariously wilts and dies.
I agree. As someone who read all the books, I was massively disappointed in rings of power AND the hobbit. The directors basically decided to do whatever they want while they add in elements that will remind you of the Original Trilogy. Which might sound good and dandy, but it really does feel like they’re just fan fiction films. I’ll put it this way, I’ve rewatched the original lord of the rings trilogy a few times. Yet I haven’t rewatched the hobbits, or the rings of power one time.
Frieren is so good at show don't tell that it makes it feel special, problem I see with a lot of folks is there inability to understand subtle notes and if it's not shown they just can't believe it. Authors do so much in building an environment to learn from but unless they specifically state what's going on bit by bit it feels like folks completely become oblivious.
Although I agree with Asmon's take on women and magic user typecasting, it just takes a bit of creative writing to make a female brawler organic and believable. Vi of Arcane is an example. It makes sense she grows up to be a brawler because her father is one. She also grew up in a environment that would encourage that behavior. They explicitly say and show how she decided to be one but you never question it because the implications are strong from the start.
But by the end, she's hitting people with powered gauntlets... which is fine and makes perfect sense. The problem we're seeing in modern western entertainment, is a female character like Vi punching people with her bare fists, and doing the same damage as if she was wearing powered gauntlets.
@@malificajones7674I'm ok with inconsistencies in terms of damage mechanics as long as it serves a narrative purpose. The power of friendship in anime serves the same purpose. However, if you make a female character OP just because she needs to be OP then it becomes nonsensical and ridiculous.
Even in LOTR you have Eowyn who is a badass warrior but not because she is better at fighting than men, but because she is brave and dutiful to her family and country and confronts a ringwraith when other people might have run instead.
Frieren is such a damn good show if you are a fan of Fantasy at all give this show a shot, even if you aren't a fan of anime in general Frieren just hits different it is so fucking good
i really hate the art style. not for me. the writing is obviously much better than RoP. but that doesnt say much, i have seen cat food commercials with better writing.
@@nolifeking9441 i can live without action, one of my favorite movies is margin call. and if i really hate the pictures, then there is no reason to watch it at all. its a visual media , so the pictures are pretty important.
Frieren is just an EPIC Anime! Loved every minute! Although it's funny to watch as a German because all Names are German and they choose some funny ones tbh 😅 Frieren for example means "Freeze", Himmel is "Heaven", Eisen is "Iron" and Heiter is "Cheerful" 😂
FYI: the suggested reason that there's "chemistry" between Galadriel and Halbrand is because it's initially suspected via earlier leaks that there was originally going to be a romantic encounter between them before the fans screamed bloody redrum and the studio rolled back the need for intimacy training for characters.
Ripley in the first film starts off stoic but as things turn for the worse slowly it gets chipped away showing she is a three dimensional person. In the end she does a completely illogical emotional sentimental thing where she goes after the cat to rescue it. She could escape easier without it but she does it because she has an emotional connection with the cat.
probably the best twist on the chosen one story archetype i feel like the sword real test was not seeing who is worthy to pull it out but to test the will of the people who failed to pull it out but never letting it discourage them from doing the right thing to be a true hero
@@metaford3746"You dont need destiny to tell you will have success to actually succed." I really came to like twists in Chosen One tropes, i fell in love with Morrowind bc when we go to the Cave of the Incarnate, we see all the "failed nerevarines". We see that we still can fail like they did, so your achievements are earned and the whole journey to fullfil the prophecy is actually a guide to defeat Dagoth Ur.
Anyone who hasn’t seen it, the channel Tolkien Untangled did a series on “how rings of power should have been written” that lays out a much better story and even accounts for the lore restrictions that Amazon had. I’d recommend it for those interested
When the representation of all what is evil in the universe, is far more likeable than your female empowered protagonist, it mean you fucked up the script, blinded by your activism.
Asmongold is right about western modern writers writing a male character and replacing it with a female. Problem with female characters in the west is they lack flaws, femininity and a personality. Many are obnoxious "I am a woman who don't need a man, flaws and a convincing backstory". My all-time favorite movies were the predator where 7 muscle bound and high testosterone men go in guns blazing at the start kicking some rebel groups ass in the middle of the jungle only to then start shitting them selfs with many having a mental break as the predator picks them of. Even Dutch in many instances looks scared shitless and has no idea what to do. And even by the third act where hes 1v1ing the predator he only beats the predator because he sets up a trap. Ripley from Aliens was another person who in the second movie had nightmares and was scared shitless and at first refuse to go to that planet and contact that colony and you could see fear in her eyes. Ripley reminded me of a mother figure who even out of her depth would risk her life to for her child. pvt vasquez in the second aliens movie was even well written. She reminded me of my lesbian cousin who was a badass and wanted to be of the boys who would hang out with me and my mates doing bloke shit, cracking jokes and was cool af. Vasquez was homies with one of the soldiers and tried to risk her life for the her best mate.
I've been saying this for a while. Modern day "Strong Female Characters" are just the B Movie "Macho Men" stereotype with a superficial coating of Girl Power.
Asmond's take on this is spot on. Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't have a bit of realism in it. All the stories, books, movies, tv shows, or games, have realism in it. All those that don't... are usually hated. The person that asked if you couldn't just have an agile female warrior.. yeah, sure, but even then she is likely to get crushed by a male that has 50lbs on her.
"Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't have a bit of realism in it." That's an old truism and not a new amazing revelation. But the word you are looking for isn't "realism", it's "internal logic". Every fictional world setting,even if it contains magic or supowerpowers, needs to have the writer set down rules and limitations how things work and then follow those rules to stay believable. As Terry Pratchett once wrote (in his preface to the Discworld Ank-Morpork city map), good writers realize that setting limitations on yourself means you have to get creative. Changing the rules of your fictional world in the middle of the story just because you want X to happen without having to think how the character might accomplish that is lazy writing. Too many bad writers think that "fictional" equals "If I say so any random thing I want to happen can happen" and whine how they don't want to be "limited" by rules or internal logic, pretending that having absolute "freedom" makes stories better when in reality it makes them worse because they become arbitrary drivel.
Tell that to all the warrior women in anime, like heck there is SOME realism but that doesn't mean it has to have real life logic or limitations. Us relating to the character and their story is the realism that every story needs. Do people hate Naruto because Tsunade had super strength? Erza Scarlet in Fairy Tail?
At the end of the day, Frieren seems more likeable and... human I guess? She is detached, but she doesn't seem to actively dislike people. You can get the feeling that she has a hard time getting people close to her because of her mindset, but she does cares for the people around her - and by the end of the opening episode, we see her realize how much she is missing and work towards improving herself. Meanwhile... Galadrielle? It doesn't have to be mage vs fighter. Seirei no Moribito had a female fighter as protagonist, she didn't have a chip on her shoulder and bad case of "Look at how awesome and edgy I am, everyone around me is shit and no one appreciates me"-itis. She has a small chip on her shoulder and a task she wants done, but she is mature enough to have some kind of acceptance of her particular place in the world as a woman who is very good in what is clearly stated to be a man's business. I know there's more to writing a female character than writing a decent male character and gender-flipping it, but damn, Gally is a gender-flipped male edgelord.
To counter the "western media lacks subtlety" a bit, I'd say anime on thw whole actually has a mich bigger problem with a lack of subtlety. Characters exposition dump and overexplain in anime sometimes to an absurd degree
One of the most important tenets of good scriptwriting is "show don't tell". If it CAN be shown instead of dictated, it should be. That puts more importance on the dialogue and keeps viewers observant. I think show writers have missed this in how heavy-handed they are in overtly narrating every nuance of the characters' feelings and motives.
I absolutely agree with you, except, the writers aren’t missing it. They are intentionally writing it this way to “challenge the status quo.” They are rebelling.
Unless you're an anime, then that doesn't apply as much, 'cause the language itself is part of the spectacle. You get Dragon Lolies who speak like Aethelwulf with exaggerated archaic Japanese pathos, then you get the quiet kid who always speaks in the polite register even amongst their equals, then there's the maids who are the same but much more dignified and charismatic, to the point that you can't like Anime without liking maids, and butlers, then there's the Ojou-sama archetype, where they basically speak like that exaggerated posh British nobleman, but they are female now, and even the nobles themselves have a type of suffix honorific exclusive to them, Kyō・卿 for male nobles, and jō・嬢 for females. And then there's a street thug speech archetype where you sound rough and menacing, swearing, but not through word choices, but actually word conjugations. There's just a shit ton of those speech archetypes where the slightest change of pronouns or register levels can have a huge impact on the story, since Japanese is way more dramatistic than English, so much so that you have pronouns for kings, rulers, knights, samurai, and so on. Shit's so ridiculous, they had to give it a name, which is Yakuwarigo・役割語, or Archetype Speech, as in, the literal role and or hierarchy of a character demonstrated through the type of speech register they use in a story.
I went straight to crunchyroll to check out Frieren, 2 episodes in and it doesn't disappoint so far at all. Not even my style of anime but the first episode had me hooked.
Anime has always managed to tread past the boundaries that western movies are too scared to cross. That's what I've always loved the most about anime since I first decided to give the industry a chance.
I always thought elves don't actually die, they travel to the halls of Mandos and if they aren't Feanor, leave the halls for Valinor after getting over their "death".
True, but what’s more Finrod was actually one of the few, if not the only one instantly released from the halls and is totally fine in Valinor. So when Galadriel jumps off the boat to ‘avenge him’, in RoP, she could have literally stayed in the boat and just gone and seen him and spoke to him 😂
If anyone has read the manga Azumi thats a perfect way to make a warrior type girl character. She never overpowers anyone with her strength. If she gets grappled by a man she has no shot but she is just so much faster than everyone else that she dodges and slips all of their attacks instead of blocking massive hits like a gigachad.
An important aspect of Frieren is that not only he is a moving force for her, but he is the ultimate goal, she is literally trying to go to heaven so she can speak to him again, that's the most important part of the plot
Galadriel isn't stoic. Stoicism is to endure hardship without complaint. All she does is complain, and make it every one else's problem. Being demanding and brash. She's a child cosplaying as a male warrior, badly. The ACTUAL Galadriel is stoic.
stoicism is more about accepting than enduring. Stoicism is actually a very active philosophy but it acknowledges that you shouldn't waste energy on things you can't change
Yeah some people think stoic is angry no positive emotion face.
True, a stoic wouldn't complain about the situation, stoic would try to control their emotions and make the best out of the hand they were dealt. That's not Galadriel at all, her emotions are the impetus that drive her. She makes illogical decisions based solely on her emotions and is driven by them. complaining is seen as the most pathetic thing a human can do in stoicism which is half the show
Don't eat the redpillers and tatefans concept of stoicism.
@@StaniaMarsh true, eat the Zenon of Citium and Seneca and Marcus Aurelius concept of it
well, 2 things. 1) amazon fired the "tolkien scholar" because he kept pointing out everything they were doing wrong that violated established lore like.... 2) everything galadriel does was actually elrond's story. they literally took elrond's "military" actions during the start of the 2nd age and gave it to galadriel. you may ask, well what did galadriel do? at the end of the 1st age, she married the forest elven lord, and birthed her daughter. during the 2nd age, galadriel lived with her husband, the forest lord, and raised her daughter. everything galadriel does, is lifted from a man, elrond. thats why it feels like such a mary-sue or man's tale. it literally is.
The Galadriel from the source material was a clan leader, a politician as much as she was a wife. She founded three cities, inclucing Ost in Edhil. She was also a powerful mage, or rather druid. The fact that she was the recipient of one of the great rings shows that she was seen by Sauron as one of the three most powerful elves on middle earth.
@@MrChristophSteininge the elves made the elven rings, sauron did not touch them. Celeborn did not trust Sauron entirely, the flaw in the elven rings was it was made with the "knowledge" provided by sauron, so the one ring did have some power over them they just didn't corrupt the wearers like the other rings.
@@arizona_anime_fan Maybe, but the fact remains, that the ring of adamant "Nanya" was Galadriel's. And she remarked that she did not use it once she became aware of Saurons influence, if I recall correctly. The other two bearers did not do either, even though Cirdans ring ended up with Gandalf as the bearer, it was the ring of fire. As a spiritual being he was not endangered so much as men or elf. Remember what happened when Tom Bombadil put on the One Ring. He did not vanish or anything. He was entirely unaffected. Nobody knows for sure what Tom Bombadil was, only his creator did, and Tolkien is safe in the halls of Mandos, we cannot ask him!
Galadriel was an high elf. Her power was knowledge and wisdom. And she had the gift of foresight. She was actually a tragic character. She knew that the days of elves in middle earth were about to end. Not that nonsense blade wielding. Elrond is an half elf from a period when humans and elves were still on good terms. Elrond was still connected to his human part were the high elves had seperated them from the world (Galadriels magic that was an invisible border protecting Lothlorien) and preparing to leave Middle Earth
Lol a mary-sue isn't a "man's tale" wtf
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In the actual book Galadriel was so cheerished and loved by her people that strands of her hair was said to be a gift so priceless it showed a friendship and trust between two races elves/dwarves. This show is so twisted it spits on the image of Tolkien a legacy tainted by this catastrophy.
As almost everything in the West during recent years it's made by empty people who actively hate source material (for not being a kind of shitty propaganda that they make).
There was so much about this abomination that I hated, but the fact that made Galadriel, a character who was wise even as a child, act like Fëanor 2.0. That alone shows the writers knew absolutely nothing about the books they supposedly went back to again and again.
@@IUsedToBeAnAdventurerLikeYou
Exactly. I don't think the showrunners and writers know Feanor at all! Lol.
In all of Tolkien's versions, she's consistently against Feanor.
"cheerished"
lmao
It's like in Frieren you get a real elf perspective on life, but on Rings of Power you get a human playing an elf, and it shows.
a real elf having the intelligence of a kid while being 1000 years old.. Very poor
@@ggadams639 Yeah, that stupid elf depiction from Rings of Power. Agree.
Agree it.
Pretty sure she is more that a thousand years old@@ggadams639
Sauron was meant to be attractive and likeable, especially at the time RoP is meant to be set, but Galadriel was meant to be one of the few who saw through that disguise. This isn't even an issue of extended works vs LotR appendices. Galadriel has always been one of the few who sees through any disguise Sauron tries to pull so the fact that she gets duped by Halbrand is a major disservice to her character and the level of rivalry the two have.
Amen.
I would say AI would have written Galadriel better but the same Leftist mentality ruining entertainment are making the AI.
@@Anudorini-Talah you've got to be trolling
@@Anudorini-Talah Every time people on the internet manage to surprise me with more and more shit. Congratulations, this time it was you!
@@MysterioFan02 Tbh, while I agree with everyone shitting on Galadriel, I do rather like what they did with Sauron. Halbrand seems a MUCH better disguise than something more epic and impressive. I don't much care for the idea of seeing Sauron as the 'Lord of Gifts' (Annatar). That just makes him conspicuous. Halbrand blends in more.
I mean Asmon is right, it is fanfiction, but it's multi-billion dollar fanfiction while still having the writing quality of 'edgy teenager first go at fiction.'
Never let gay fanfic writers who graduated from tumblr write anything ever again.
But it's fanfiction that gets official status, that's the worst part
@@rafaelcastor2089 Tolkien is dead. Nothing they will ever release is really official.
@@VAArtemchuk Copium
@@rafaelcastor2089 reality. I don't give a flying fuck what a corpo asseater from across the ocean tells me is canon in LOTR. There are Tolkien's books and LITERALLY nothing else.
There goes the differences betwen character single handedly created by one author with intention to tell a story vs a character created in a board meeting with intention to fit the checklist of strong women. empowerment.
1000% Correct
And they failed at that. If they wanted to make her character a strong female lead, then they shouldn't have just made her a moody/rash, male analog. Clad her in armor and give her a sword, basically, make her a dude. Plus her power comes from her grace, her resolve, her nurturing, and wisdom, all qualities they dropped to make her, well, more manly and flawed. She is not a warrior and doesn't need to be one to be a strong female lead. It's like they pandered to feminists without considering what a strong women in her position would even look like or act like, failing at both in the process.
Even if RoP-Galadriel was played by a man, it would still be a bad character. A traditional male hero is likeable not just because he can beat up bullies and evil-doers, but also because he is selfless and stands up for those who need him. Even if he is outwardly an aloof anti-hero, he will still have that "heart of gold" when it counts. RoP-Galadriel lacks that completely.
Quoting someone else here -
"It is generally agreed that $1 billion was spent on Rings of Power. If we take into account inflation, this would be $587 million in 2002, during the middle of filming of LOTR. The budget of LOTR was $281 million. So, even adjusted for inflation, the budget of ROP was still a whopping 108.8% higher than LOTR.
Second, LOTR total run time (Extended Editions) is 683 minutes. Total run time of all ROP episodes is approximately 560 minutes across all 8 episodes. This means that "They had to spread the budget out over a bunch of TV episodes" doesn't hold water because the movie is actually longer than the show while spending significantly less."
Fact !!
The difference is how the idea started LOTR as a passion project of 3 broke genious people struggling with their every being just to her the project greenlit. ROP is the work of a sociopathic billionaire who thinks money = equals quality. One is a rough climp up a mountain hill with the extacy that follows reaching the top, the other is a golden slip N slide with an elephant sized poop at the end.
@@oskardanigsecher9906 yikes! The sociopathic billionaire is Jeff Bezos, I assume? You think he had anything at all to do with the production of this show? Please.. Also, fyi, money equals quality is wrong, you're correct there, BUT money CAN equal quality. In fact, most of the time it does. 1000s of movies come out each year, but 99% don't have any funding, so can't pay for marketing, quality cast or production crew, can't pay for cinema slots, can't pay for good equipment, can't create good sets or shoot on location, and so they become indie films which you never hear about. All the movies/tv-shows which are really good have a lot of money put into them. With, obviously, some exceptions. But exceptions don't make the rules. PS. who are the 3 broke geniuses?
@@Lukas-ht9xm Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens and Peter Jackson. I never said that money cant make production value higher but if the passion isn't there it's never going to be anything truly great. The Really special thing About the lotr movies is how passionate every layer of the production team was from the make-up artists to the set designers all the way to the post production team. I highly reccomend watching the behind the scenes part of the Blu-rays, it's Really inspiring.
@@oskardanigsecher9906 LOTR is king. I watch them at least once a year, I've seen the blu-ray.
I get what you're saying, I'm only arguing that money doesn't equal quality. It does. It's just that after a certain amount of money that graph tends to level out quite quickly.
Im also arguing against Bezos having anything to do with RoP.
I'm not a fan of the 3 geniuses idea either.
I wish I was able to say to myself "It's just a fan-fiction" and go on without being frustrated by what I seen, even if it was a bad one. But it's impossible. Tokien wrote such an immense and qualitative piece of literature, which paved the way for so many Fantasy universes and artworks. And years after, what is seen as one of the best trilogy in cinema history, The Lord Of The Rings, which adapted as perfectly as it could do, a portion of what Tolkien created, we would have the opportunity to see characters/places/events/eras we never thought possible on screen. But we didn't. Cause the colossal budget were given to the wrong people, with the wrong mindset.
Calling it fanfiction is such an insult to actual Tolkien fans, who could’ve written a better story that honored Tolkien’s world and his writing. Amazons ROP was using the names and places from Tolkien’s world for brand recognition and making a generic ass fantasy show and trying to pass it off as Tolkien.
The arrogance to think they could improve on lotr. Tolkien will be read 100 years from now. This wont be watched.
In the anime Demons only speak to humans to live/kill them. One scene in the anime of a young demon and he only says “mama” is because it what makes humans from not killing it even though the young demon killed multiple people that gave the young demon mercy. It is established in the anime that demons have no remorse and only care about themselves. The reason why Frieren is so cold against them is because of that fact and that her home village was also destroyed by demons. Just like what the anime implies they are monsters that learn how to speak to kill humans. Give mercy to a demon will only lead to casualties based on the anime’s world.
Also in the anime, demons don’t have parents.
That why when El**** appears in the story, it was just a refreshing take on the demon f*cked up morality.
Yeah how Frieren does demons marks it out as very UNlike Tolkien. Even the maker of that video thought so, as he made another video pointing that out. The people saying Freiren is very Tolkien-esque are missing that LotR repeatedly insists on the opposite perspective, as did Tolkien, and hence he likely would've taken strong exception to how Freiren writes about evil.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn I mean there's something to say about demons from friend and orcs from LOTR, just plain evil and corrupt, I guess the demons are smarter lol
@@NoctisSIEG No, the orcs in Tolkien are specifically written to be creatures of pity, NOT evil. They weren't even a separate species - the orcs were descendants of elves, who in ages past were brutally tortured and mutilated to become orcs. Tolkiens' heroes also repeatedly caution against being merciless and cold as Freiren is, especially Gandalf. Aragorn seeks peace with the folk that formerly followed the Dark Lord, such as the Haradrim. Even the Dark Lord himself - Sauron, and even his master Melkor - were written as not originally evil, but corrupted by having different designs from the one god Eru. Even the Dark Lord himself was repeatedly forgiven, and ultimately 'died' due to expending himself rather than being killed by the heroes. There is no part of LOTR that champions the ideas that Freiren does about evil.
This is what happens when creatively void creatures get hold of amazing stories. Their egotistical natures makes them compelled to rewrite everything in their own morally corupt views and most of all,they lack talent.
Evil cannot create, they can only corrupt
Well said!
@@YukitoOnline Evil? Wow lol. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but you do you.
@@elliotgillum
Yes, Evil.
I'd prefer not downplaying whatever is ruining Western media.
Since the same types are trying to spread their infestation to our East Asian media.
@@elliotgillumit’s not for you and me but I know some hardcore fans who are upset with how their favorite IP is not respected and making a big stink about it. I don’t judge them for it though. We are all passionate about different things.
Frieren is one of those stories that will hit you harder the older you are, because the main antagonist is time itself.
And everyone will bend the knee when the time comes....
Adar and his orcs are a group of peoples who are segregated ,who are trying to find a land to live in but are exterminated by a army led by a Pure Elf and are saved by Sauron who give them a promised land ....oh...OH...OOOHHOOHOHO
I don't know. I found the show to be pretty boring, watched the first episode and that was it. Frieren doesn't do much, its like she is just there for some scenes, and the scenes would play out the same way if she wasn't there.
I'm middle/ older aged. At times it feels like I've just gotten started, and other times, I feel like centuries have passed. I've seen so much change, lost so many people and I keep seeing so many messes time and time again. In all of it, it's time that becomes the biggest enemy and my biggest regret is in relationship to people, especially losing them. Now I know that it's inevitable and I need to appreciate them while I can.
@@Subvaries That's fair. I don't think Frieren is for everyone since the premise of the show is introspection since the main adventure is over. Also, I think the story is really about Himmel and how we're honoring his memory through Frieren and her journey.
I've read somewhere that Frieren is a cozy fantasy slice-of-life, and I agree. I'm almost 30 and I just want something calm, heartfelt, and interesting to end my hectic day. It's subtle message about death and grief also hits me because of personal stuff.
So, yeah, its not for everyone and that's okay.
i got through 7 mins of this video, paused, binged all 16 (currently) episodes for Frieren, and will now finish this vid. Frieren is incredibly well done btw
same
I considering such option right now (alternative if watch Asmon's video to the end first and only then go binge Frieren, because i saw enough to get invested)
I really like the narration in Frieren, where they go into great detail how demons use words as a tool - as a means to an end - just because it works on humans, despite most often they can't even grasp the meaning of those words , which they utter. They just use words, cause it works, while it is completely foreign to them. It's written and thought out masterfully.
Later we meet a demon who tried to live together with humans. It didn't work out of course. It's also been said that the Demon King actually wanted the same which made him so dangerous.
@@kaltaron1284sometimes you just need to kill the plague
@@aaronmontgomery2055 Easier said than done.
Yep, in the manga it is said that demons are basically evolved from monster with mimic abilities to lure in prey. Demons being specialized in hunting humans.
Talking about words, as a German I can't fail to notice that their names are literally "freezing" (as in feeling cold) "heaven" (to her) "joyful" (a bard?) and "iron" (dwarf).
I want to thank Disney, Amazon and HBO for turning me off from my most beloved fantasy franchises. Made me a more adult person, to not give a shit about these franchises anymore and it also heightened my appreciation and understanding of the original core material. Now my final test will be, to not give them my money anymore and only pirate this shit to laugh at it.
HBO?...which show?..I think HBO is the only beacon of hope for western shows..as always
I definitely stopped watching their stuff from their website. Just no reason to as they aren't even worth $1. I don't remember the last time I actually watched a movie for enjoyment these past years. Simply see myself going back to older movies every time. I was born in 2003 and I still watch movies and shows released before I was born, and enjoy it a lot more than the trash being released nowadays.
house of dragon was good. wheel of time was ok, but the effects were LOL
I mean its also growing older, but these shitty movies and shows legit helped me increase the time I work out.
@@chobitsotaku5613 Sorry bro, but this is just sad to hear. Hopefully you'll get through this and be able to enjoy good movies and shows.
The "vengeful" Galadriel is an invention of the tv show. Tolkien never wrote anything about her wanting to avenge his brother.
Trans?
really so she wasn't spiteful towards feanor during the darkening of valinor? you actually read this books or you just assuming garbage? seeming like the latter.
@@be1mont810what does Fëanor leaving Valinor have to do with Finrod? Finrods death was much later. And he’s right, she didn’t have anything to do with Avenging Finrod. True Galadriel wasn’t ever really a fan of Fëanor but that’s a totally different subject.
@@KeytarArgonian do you not understand finrod left with fingolfin, who was following feanor, the successor of finwe, king of the Noldor. It's explicitly stated Galadriel went to middle earth to spite feanor and rule her own land. Unfinished tales goes further since some of Tolkiens last notes stated he intended to have Galadriel fighting the Noldor at alqualonde in the first kinslaying. Galadriel and altogether noldorin elves were quite violent and vengeful... that's why there is a war of the jewels for like 600 years. So no, Galadriel being that way never changes but adding the dynamic about her brother works. Tolkien in some letters ( if you really want the exact one, I can get it but not home) where he states Sauron saw Galadriel as his biggest threat to his rise in power in the 2nd age.
@@be1mont810 yeah I do know all of that. My point is what you are arguing has nothing to do with what the OP said. He said she wasn’t vengeful regarding Finrod and it’s a show invention. Her wanting a land to rule and so taking part in the flight of the Noldor has nothing to do with Finrod at all.
Ripley is stoic in the beginning of Alien and makes good decisions but as everyone around her makes stupid mistakes it puts her into more and more danger. Her character arc is her having to deal with the fear and not break down, she manages to pull herself back together by the end of the movie. It's one of my favorite movies of all time.
The crew of the Nostromo were actually rational, resourceful, and systematic in their pursuit of the alien. They were just overmatched and set up for failure by the Weyland Yutani corporation.
Who broke quarantine protocols? It was an android acting on company orders.
You want to know what makes those super stoic female characters work so well? Like Sarah Connor, Ripley and The Bride? They’re all feminine. Not sexually feminine, but MATERNALLY feminine. That makes an enormous difference. Take Sarah Connor in T2, if you look at her actions and take away her maternal instinct or relationship with John, she’s actually just Rings of Power Galadriel. A bit of an asshole obsessed with Vengeance.
Ripley actually has a lot of emotion and shows it. However, she is good at controlling her fear and fueling it into actions that push her through the danger around her, rather than falling apart. So she is stoic where it has power, but is otherwise quite relatable - which makes her a good character. Combine that with the fact that she isn't trying to to go head-to-head physically with the Alien, instead using wits to avoid bad situations and only sparsely combating the Alien by using modern weaponry set up in difficult-to-fail circumstances (like a flamethrowing along a ventiliation shaft), and it becomes very believable.
The strength of fantasy is for the world to be fantastical, while having characters that are realistic trying to deal with that world. If the characters themselves are too fantastical then you need to lean on some other genre's strengths to remain interesting (whether that is the visuals and sound of action movies, the passion of romance stories, the humour of comedy shows, etc.). A female lead who is physically overpowering compared to their enemies is difficult to relate to and is quite fantastical - so the only time it shines is when it veers into other genres.
@@KeytarArgonian Wow. Confirmation bias much? Do we need to highlight the sexually feminine elements of EACH of those characters? It's like you made up a point and then tried to force it to be reasonable.
@@jackgraham3 i didn’t point out the sexually feminine points about them. There are different kinds of femininity, three main kinds actually. Maternal, sexual and innocent, like children and teens. It just so happens that the three most often cited characters (listed above) are far more maternally feminine than sexually. It’s like you were so quick to jump in to comment you didn’t actually read mine.
For context, Finrod is the first elf to interact with the first men, he played them the harp which Tolkien describes "made men better", not to mention when the elves realised men eventually die from old age they were distraught, kind of like when a child discovers their pet died.
Hit the nail on the head about the lack of subtlety. It's like, you get a feel for someone's personality based on what their actions, body language, choice of words, tone etc. communicate. But instead it's like "This person is like this! We know because they said it explicitly to us!".
There was something to note concerning the demon girl scene. We actually learn she says "mommy" not because she's calling for one, as we learn earlier that Demons don't have parents. They're sent off once born to learn to survive, no support. But they learn that saying things like "mommy" makes people hesitate and consider their actions. If the demon wasn't somewhat domesticated, it would have attempted something then and there.
Yeah, the demons use such language 100% as a means to an end. They do not even understand that it invokes emotions in the humans, only that the humans hesitate for some reason when they do it. Just like when Ludgar or whatever his name is, is surrounded and the Grat guy is talking about his son. He brings up his Father, yet he does not even have a father or know of what it's like to have a family and the other executioner is curious as to why he said that.
@@THExJMC Yep. Learning to exploit human sympathy/empathy.
Demons will even try to fake peace treaties and equality so u will hav ur guard down before destroying ur entire city.
Yeah how Frieren does demons marks it out as very UNlike Tolkien. Even the maker of that video thought so, as he made another video pointing that out. The people saying Freiren is very Tolkien-esque are missing that LotR repeatedly insists on the opposite perspective, as did Tolkien, and hence he likely would've taken strong exception to how Freiren writes about evil.
@@THExJMC Lügner. Liar in German. The count (?) is called Granat.
@@kaltaron1284 Ah okay, I binged the whole thing to get caught up in the last couple days and have trouble remembering some characters' names since they're only relevant for an episode or 2. If I'm not mistaken the count is called Graf Granat which in my poor memory of his name I typed as Grat.
If you can't get a die hard fan of an IP to watch your adaptation...you messed up.
Some adaptations just do not work out of the gate in a visual medium, and some do. RIngs Of Power would have if they had not fucked around on the writing and the rights.
How about a casual also?
i feel like the more die hard a fanbase is the more critical they are of new stuff actually. the same thing happened to star wars, that disgrace of a trilogy is in my mind just fanfiction and it never happened, and im not alone in that.
I mean I’m fine with movies changing over time especially if it’s something like Star Wars. But I don’t care for laziness in writing or lack of deep thought or progression. They don’t have to use Mary Sue’s in order to write good women characters. That is an excuse that Hollywood uses because they are too lazy and lack creativity to write a story worth a damn. Star Wars changed lord of the rings changed and Marvel changed. None of those changes had to be bad changes, but the people responsible for making the newer versions made the shows bad it is a cause and effect thing there is someone to blame here. It’s not like diehard fans want the same thing presented to them all the time forever that is a myth spread by people who want to sell you dog shit, lazy stories, and say well the toxic fanboys blah blah blah. It’s an excuse and a shitty one at best. These people make upwards of millions and hundreds of millions of dollars they have no business writing shitty ass stories and using some of the worst CGI I’ve ever fucking seen let’s not get it twisted and blame the fans for why the shows are so bad
Im a die hard fan who thought it was decent and had its moments 🤷♂️
For me Frieren really felt great when she was looking for a spell to make grapes super sour because Eisen loves sour grapes. Little details like that blow rings of power out the water.
Eisen :D all the names are German words.
Eisen meaning iron.
Kinda related but, I always find it funny most of the spell she collected in the journey are simple "useless" utility magic, like seeing through clothes, making flower grows, or preventing you misspeak in tongue twister
@@Brettlakenfitting because eisen is the strongest warrior in freiren universe, and theres a scene where freiren thought warriors can casually fall from very high altitude without getting damage because she sees eisen do it all the time
Kyoka suigetsu
@@nev781 Stark doesn't believe her. And then does it himself. Guess it helps that he was trained by Eisen.
The problem Asmongold has with strong female characters can probably be explained by the writer's purpose: in anime/manga, theres shitton of strong female characters who overpower men, but it never feels like they were written like that because theyre stronk girlbosses who are better than men and blah blah blah feminist drivel; theyre badass because the writer wanted them to be badass and also attractive/likeable females, with no agenda behind them
about men not liking stoic girls: once again, lots of stoic girls in anime, but theyre not written for the sole purpose of feminist agenda to be tough uncaring assholes, caricatures of "toxic masculinity", theyre written according to the story
best example of the top of my head: Homura from Madoka Magica (spoilers btw for a 10+ year old show)
Homura from the beginning is portrayed as a cold stoic girl, almost a bitch sometimes, whos hellbent on just one purpose, much like RoP Galadriel, but as we learn more about the world/other characters, we begin to understand her more, and then the big reveal in episode 10 where we see she was actually a cute timid moe girl, but because she couldnt save her best friend from dying, and then watching her die over and over every time she turned back time, she turns cold and stoic and hellbent on just saving her friend
and then in the movie she goes insane but thats a whole nother story lmao
If a half zombie teen girl that uses a bladed slipper is more badass while having more personality than a girl boss. Then you can see the problem.
Yeah. Mereleona from black clover comes to mind. That woman pushes literally everyone around but she is such s badass that even villains with the advantage were impressed at her level of power.
I haven't seen a single episode of this show. But that 10-second clip of her crying, ripped my heart in half.
Same. Even the dub made me cry.
No wonder why Sauron became mad after having to spend time with Galadriel 😅
just in case, this has nothing to do with the lord of the rings, the events u see in that garbage of an abomination show do not happen in the lord of the rings, galadriel never goes with sauron as pals, she doesnt fight in wars, she is not the comander of the northern armys etc, all made up garbage with the name of the lord of the rings in its title.
Frieren is one of the best animes I've watched in a long time. It's so subtle and poignant, really makes you think about the passage of time too.
Agreed. I’d describe it as very serene and (oddly) nostalgic even though it’s my first time diving in the series.
100% agree. The animation is top notch as well. I read the manga until (spoilers-left-out), but the show does it complete justice and even more. From the beginning when Frieren is walking on that road and the subtle red glow from the sun through her earings unto her neck had me clapping for madhouse on yet again knocking it out of the park. In the manga, Frieren's confrontation with Aura had my expectations for the anime really high... but, Stark's fight with Linie in the show made the manga look tame in comparison. Phenomenal job, Madhouse, well done.
i cant describe in words the love i have for this anime. it is not insanely deep nor has crazy complexity but is so elegantly subtle yet soulful
not to mention Evan Call's soundtracks for the adaptation is absolutely stunning
That's what made grimgar so great still waiting on season2 T.T
Yes, love the show. Glad I came upon it in crunchyroll.
“physically incapable of watching the show without falling asleep” perfectly describes my own experience watching ROP as a 32 year old
I started doing dishes, which were far more engrossing than ROP and forgot it was even on.
I just got mad mid every episode for 5-6 episodes and then quit it, it's soo bad.
Same. I stopped watching after episode 5 and by the numbers. I wasn't alone. Such a shame. I love Tolkien books.
Really odd hearing this lmao, me and my sister watch lord of the rings and hobbits every year and we absolutely love this show.
And im watching Frieren and never even thought they had the same thoughts....just so weird for me to hear this
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I know a few people either like or thought it was a good show. That's fine. We all have different taste.
I do think the general opinion on the show, that it wasn't good. Don't remember the number but only 20-30% people that started it actually finished it. That's a pretty big drop off.
Asmon starts describing Ungoliant draining the trees and I had two thoughts pop into my head..."Oh shit he read The Silmarillion" Followed by "Damn I wish I could have visually seen the Balrogs come rescue Morgoth from Ungoliant, it would have been sick"
what is the time when he stars ?
I like that "Frieren" was referenced to contrast with the crap writing of "Rangs of Pooper". "Sousou no Frieren" is a damn good fantasy story, does something new with the very typical fantasy setup, as well as being an incredible character-driven narrative.
And other huge differences,
You realize that Frieren fight her enemies with experience she doesn’t need to make huge Battle she knows how to fight with little effort and cunning tactics .
In opposite of Gradile she always fight like she has all the power in the world and let go without thinking in the fight
Frieren defeats the demon who created the killing curse by...giving it to humans who studied it and created a defensive spell to counter it. Utilizing her experience with humans. She also trusts fern to protect her with her skills with defense and casting speed. It's a collaborative effort to tackle a threat that major at his time. As well as showing she isn't the end all be all.
Gladys holds a swordfight with 3 men because she is so powerful. She picks fights because she is so powerful. She kills ogers because she is powerful.
@@NameIsDoc, so, 4 months passed. did you watched it to the end and figured out, that Frieren could deal wih Qual alone, but simply tuned it into training for Fern? if anything, Frieren is way more powerful in her world standarts than Galadriel in her's. but Frieren doesn't go all in to show off, and also she lets her companions to grow through those fights too.
@@Circle9ru I read it more like a F U to quall. The demons viewed humanity as a pest or prey and here they are creating counters to their deadliest spells and here is a young girl being able to deflect his attack and call it basic.
That was the purpose to take out quall and show her faith in humanity.
@@NameIsDoc, well, the trick is that Frieren was there helping ppl woth Zoltrack. even demons know she had significant impact on that event. and it will go on in manga, the thing deamons don't understand yet, what makes Frieren dangerous to them is not the fact she kills every demon she come across, no even killing strongest ones of them, its her turning the magic they spent ages to deveop into nothing at best or giving it to humans at worst. Qual and Aura are only 2 of Seven Sages of Destruction, hero parti killed one more before - Bose the Immortal, they one Wirbel mentioned in his monologue about hero party stories, and Frieren despelled his magic before they killed him aswell. and later in the manga she will analyze and make a counteer for magic of another one of 7, she won't kill him personaly, but her counterspell will help [certain someone] to kill that demon.
Being stoic ≠ Being senseless
Also stoic people might seem more patient and logical, Galadriel was just devoid of both.
Stoicism is about taking things slow, approaching everything with wisdom and a sense of justice. Accepting what you can and cannot change. Tempering your emotions and expectations. Knowing that all will work out in the end.
Gladys isn't acting stoic she is acting rash
I had a wonderful opportunity to talk with Stark's english VA. He compared it to LotR without me bringing it up. It does wonderful justice to the fantasy genre.
Man, when Himmel gives Frieren the real reason for the statues, it hits really hard.
Arcane's Vi broke the strong woman MC stereotype by showing that she cares more about her family than appearing tough (turning herself in). That's what made people like her despite her tumblr haircut, her muscles and lesbianism.
I am just genuinely suprised that Asmon is watching Freiren.
How? He's a sucker for fantasy tropes
@@Zenociushe's also easily bored
He plays WoW, of course he is going to watch a fantasy anime.
Cus fantasy anime is just good
Frieren just raised to the number one watched anime, it is not that surprising.
Asmongold: I didn't finish the rings of power
Neither did the paid off influencers
Not only that. They never made a video about watching the show as it aired. "Lord of The Rings super fans".
The brother Finrod had one of the most METAL deaths in LoTR lore, so much so he got BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE. He soloed a Super Werewolf presumably with his teeth after loosing all his gear and being chained up for losing the 2nd most epic rap battle in Middle Earth history against Sauron (1st was “The Creator v Middle Earth Satan”). It just follows a pattern that badass men are underplayed in RoP or their feats transferred to women.
Sadly they didn't have the rights to The Silmarillion, so they couldn't portray that.
Huh, so he is the guy that recovered that Silmarillion in Beren and Lúthien?
@@felagund87 but they don’t even try to nod at it. They could mention he fought werewolves, mentioned his song of power might match even Sauron, ect. I don’t know the exact rules but enough movies and shows are in similar situations but do better. I’m forced to assume he was downplayed or writers were unaware of the lore.
@@VinceJRizzo By the way you´re portraying finrod he sounds a lot more awesome than in the show xD
@@JP-eo8zwno, that's Beren himself. Finrod was one of Beren's friends who sacrified himself for beren
24:50 yeah it’s a huge problem, because in the books Galadriel was the only one who instantly recognized Sauron, while everyone else was bewitched by him. Amazon successfully took away her greatest asset, her wisdom.
This is the perfect example of why I have given up on hollywood, or any western movie or show made in these current times. I grew up hating anime and thought it was awful but I have began to see amazing stories with great writing in recent years and so I have begun to watch it more and be more accepting. A story with meaning and heart is far more better than and story of the egotistical empty minds.
to be fair, 90% of Anime is cookie-cutter cliché-filled, big-eyed trash.
@@TF2CrunchyFrog Dont forget the obligatory school based tournaments settings
If any of you want a story with a similar vibe to Frieren, I recommend the manga Bard Loen. It's a slice-of-life story about an old knight traveling on an aimless journey after he's retired.
This may sound strange but Frieren, to me, comes across as very Tolkien-esque. The comfy narrative which takes its time and mulls over the peculiarities of life, friendship, love, loss, regret and nostalgia. Beyond Journey's End is very much like The Hobbit and Lord of The Rings, I'm speaking of the books though and not the movies.
That is because both LOTR and Frieren are HEAVILY inspired by Germanic Mythology.
@@zigazdovc6175 that and Frieren is written as a classic fantasy exploring classic fantasy tropes not really trying to be a modern dated politically correct western show with washed down characters to not offend anyone
Yeah i agree with that.
Yeah, it’s a good comparison
Frieren is so much better than I thought it would be. Its so perfectly balanced with action, world building, character progression, etc. I hope it gets at least 3 seasons.
Galadriel is a Mary Sue, doesn't matter that she has flaws that WE the AUDIENCE can perceive, but the storytelling don't deal with it as flaws. Her bad behavior and viciousness has no consequences and everyone that is against her is considered wrong, not by virtue of truth and righteousness, but because she's the protagonist.
Meanwhile, the whole story of Frieren is about her flaws and the problems of her condition as an elf in a world of mortals.
Because Aragorn wasn't one too? GTFOH
@@gemelwalters2942 Aragorn had to deal with with his Forefather's consequences, and his own in both the film and the books. So no he isn't a Mary Sue.
nope aragorn really wasnt, his jurney is literally about taking the responsibility for what some dumbass people did back in a time, also he is a guide a help, not a main character, we are not folowing his path that much cuz he already went through things he already expirienced a lot. how can you not tell the simple difference like this? also damn chill lol it seems liek you thin people dont like galadriel cuz mysoginy, definitelly some minor precentage does, majority just hates here cuz she suck as a character simple. you have manny badass female characters that no one complains about, but they are written well @@gemelwalters2942
@@gemelwalters2942 cope harder.
@@gemelwalters2942 Aragorn didn't go around saying "You know who I am?" to everyone he meets. Or one shot a troll. Etc.
Modern western writings :
- Write a main character that completely fits a male character.
- Put a chick in it, and make her gay.
As opposed to the 80s and 90s main male characters that were pretty much gay, right?
Excuse me: Lame and gay
I think the even bigger problem is they are always so unbelievably unlikeable. They always think they are above everyone else, they talk down to people, they only care about themselves, they never accept help, they act like assholes since that is how the writers think you show they are independent etc etc.
And as a bonus, if anyone points out the flaws of the character, you can call them homophobic mysoginist, and discard their opinions
You:
Thing: 😐
Japanese Thing: 🤩🥳🥰😘🤪🥵🤯🤤😁😀😃😍
"... I can't explain it, it just feels weird to me..."
Okay, I'LL explain it then.
The reason it's more believable for fantasy women to be mages rather than knights is because fantasy magic is a metaphor for GUNS. Instead of a pistol, you use Ray of Frost. Instead of a shotgun, you use Cone of Cold. Instead of an rpg, you cast Fireball. That's why it's more believable. Modern weapons are so deadly that they eliminate the gap between the sexes VERY fast. It's more believable that a woman will learn to use a pistol than it is for her to overpower a larger man without any leverage.
Also, women who can shoot are hot. Nuff said.
That only deals with combat.
In general, "female charms", and women being "mysterious", "incomprehensible" and "magical" are archetypal.
In other words, women being witches is completely believable.
@@Conserpov also correct
Funny thing, Himmel is voted as the top character of the show, and 90% of his runtime is in flashbacks.
This was a billion dollar series that wasn't made to be enjoyed. It was made to take 1 billion dollars and make 1.1 billion dollars.
They simply overlooked that you won't achieve that 1.1 billion when you're in the business of providing people enjoyment but fail to deliver.
Did it even?
And promote "the message"
and it failed
Did it really make that much? Also, isn't the budget of 1 billion for production only?
I totally agree with you, Sauron was way more empathetic, caring, evolving than Galadriel who was the same throughout the whole series. The qualities that Sauron had were more relatable than Galadriel as he was more human by effects than Galadriel. His character actually gave life a shot and wanted to live in "peace". I mean Australia's constitution was written for the 'peace, order and good government' in every state. That motive in which we live for now is what Sauron wanted, so why should Galadriel be the good person with the emphasis of trying to achieve freedom? So many unanswered questions because the writer was inconsistent with what they wrote, just scratching words on paper calls it a day, gets paid. Such scummy life we live in.
Who said she is a good person. She is a protagonist, that doesn't mean good. In fact, classically the protagonists are rarely good. See Shakespeare. If you emphasize with Sauron that makes sense too.
Also, perhaps one the plan of both character is reverse them at the end of story. Sauron becomes inhuman and Galadriel becomes relatable, understanding and compassionate
wtf are tlaking abut xDDDDDDDD COPIUM like it s normal that sauron is more cool than a rich elf in the goddam wood WTF BRO@@supremespanker
I kinda think the writers want to make Galadriel, the heroine, were unlikable at first but becoming better later. While Sauron (forgot his fake name here) looks likable and friendly but actually evil and corrupting.
However, if the audiences are not hooked in early story arc, it means the writing failed
@@hafirenggayuda A whole season has passed. I'm not sure how long you will be anticipating this show for. Like apart from that wizard's story; where we found out, who he and was who he is, what his powers are, but we didn't understand why he is there. He had the most character development. With Galadriel we never understood her background and motives not because that is her character or anything like that. It's because it's never written or emphasized at all. We were expected as an audience to follow along with it and suck it up.
Look at Macbeth's fighting scene for instance. We understand a lot about Macbeth from the fight because Shakespeare wrote something to build Macbeth's character even further through it. He is strong and stoic bound by a prophecy that he will forever be king. He fights at his castle and singlehandedly defeats many opponents. He fights the guy that eventually kills him but loses armour pieces during the challenge. His crown and stoic attitudes begin to wear down when he realises he can't fight on any longer. He sees the prophecy to be false and struggles to keep his crown on his head. So we see him stabbed suddenly through the heart and dies. It shows how a person cannot take on multiple burdens alone no matter how invincible the author may make them. While we believe our world is instantly different the characters are no different than us. Weakness to elements begins when the mind weakens. Talking to his opponent and reasoning how wrong he was, reaching a conclusion through conversation was his defeat.
Meanwhile when Galadriel was stuck on the island. Instead of showing a bit of a wear down as all her opportunities for growth and leaving the country were nullified. The character was made into a bully who threatened people instead of talking to them and understanding them.
I haven’t watched Sousou no Frieren and for life of me, the short scenes of it shown in this video had more emotional impact than the whole season of Rings of Power.. cant wait to get back home and fire up this anime on the big screen.
It's so good! Serious case for best anime in a decade. Enjoy!
I do like how in Frieren everything fades in time, like the part with the other elven hero who's now forgotten even though he once saved the area once upon a time
21:01 this is where Warcraft 3 used to shine, too. Each faction's story was an incredibly human story (even though the races might've not been.) Jaina's conflict and search for peace, the Horde's search for a place and meaning, the Alliance's struggle for survival, Arthas's ruthless quest for domination, Illidan's own "the end justifies any means" crusade. ALL of these stories were incredibly human and relatable even from the perspective of someone who'd never touched the medium and watched them for the first time.
Then you look at crap like Shadowlands and you see how far departed WoW is from what made it initially great.
10:00 Anyone who's had a pet such as a dog can relate most profoundly to the age dynamic between Elves and Humans. That's where it hits the hardest.
Most likeable stoic male character usually has a contrast sidekicks or companion, master chief has cortana, batman has robin, etc...
I wouldn't call it fan fiction as fans did not right it. It's just fiction.
Boring fiction... Worst part isn't that it's bad, it's that it's also annoyingly BORING. I really wanted to like it.
Simply fiction would have it fall under the same category as the source material, I would call it butchering.
RoP is anti-fan fiction, it is purposefully designed to piss off fans and call them racist bigots at the first occasion.
Amazon was so eager to insult the fans that they didn't even wait a few days to get a genuine reaction, and instructed shill journalists to immediately release fake outrage articles.
Since then, internal sources to the company have confirmed that they are aiming for this "content as activism" strategy.
They want a very stupid audience who will watch their shows "because it triggers the haters," without realizing you don't encourage loyalty this way.
I'm a fan and have no place writing a show. Who are you to say the writers are fans or not? Get outta here.
To be fair, fan fiction doesn't have to be good or even faithful to the source material. Good fan fiction is, though, and if we regard ROP as fan fiction it's not the good kind.
I seriously wanted it to be good, but the sheer amount of dumb stuff in it eventually forced me to admit it wasn't a good show. It could have been, if they just focused on good writing. Then people might actually enjoy the show, and we cannot have that now, can we?
Here's my deal. If they had advertised this show as a "reimagining" of Lord of the Rings, where we'd see some of our beloved characters on-screen, but not necessarily within the context of Tolkien's works, I can bet you a million bucks this series would have been far-better received by LotR fans. If it had simply been advertised as a reimagining. No problem with that.
Studios did this with the 2010 version of Alice in Wonderland-- wasn't the greatest film in the world, but it wasn't panned for "not being the book" because it wasn't advertised that way. So it was a success. Andrew Lloyd Webber's Phantom of the Opera: advertised as an rock opera reimagining of the story. Super successful. Snow White and the Huntsman: same thing. Good movie? Maybe not the greatest, but (again) wasn't panned for "not being Snow White", and it went on to be a success.
It was because Rings of Power declared that it was Tolkien's work "come to life". And that was an emphatic lie. People went in expecting to see Tolkien's work, and they got a completely different story masquerading as a half-baked version of The Silmarillion. It's one thing to change a story from its written works to satisfy certain cinematic aspects. Miss Peregrine's Home For Peculiar Children (2016). Stardust (2007). A Series of Unfortunate Events (2004). All these films, btw, *were wholeheartedly approved by the original writers.* But you don't f**k with a fanbase that's lasted three quarters of a century. You just don't.
It’s kind of ironic in a way that Sauron has to help guide her around diplomacy and act as the more mature and intelligent one. So much so that this ‘girl-boss’ now feels more like an out of control child throwing a tantrum while her partner is just so done with it.
Good example of the Frieren subtle story telling:
Every characters German name is an implication toward their personality and characteristics. For example: Frieren=freezing/frozen, like frozen in time or cold toward others, Fern= far away/distant, Stark=strong, Himmel=sky/Heaven, Heiter=joy/cheerfulness, Eisen= iron, etc.
It’s so funny, reading mangas with German names in it.
Bookworm is also the same, all gods have German names.
God Leidenschaft
God ewig leben
Funny is, mangas are always picking Westens stories and mixing it with there own cultural story.
Westen writers front do that, bc they look at other culture and think there are superior
Ps I’m from Germany
Only the spells are quite difficult to figure out what they are supposed to mean. Characters and places are well done.
@@Ghostleeee I noticed that too with some american writers or companies that genuinely think they are superior and think that means they can't learn anything new or useful from others.
But western writings biggest problems are the restrictions they place on themselves. Like I heard from a US indie writer who has a youtube channel called David Stuart, that in the US they have a committee like group who put up guidelines what can and can not be in a book to be published. And they have rules like what kind of characters have to be in the books and how to depict certain things like alien races (Which was the reason old sci-fi authors like Isaac Asimov and Frank Herbert didn't include them in their books) And now they are enforcing that on European countries as well. Indie should be fine, but books in bookstores are all in danger.
The German word "frieren" is a verb, it means to feel cold. If things (i.e. water) freeze, the German verb would be "einfrieren". While freezing to death is "erfrieren". The noun _cold_ or _coldness_ would translate to "(die) Kälte".
Galadriel in ROP sounds like she took the evil/chaos dialogue option in every conversation.
When Sauron acts as your PR guy, smoothing things over... you have ISSUES.
It's like she took a millenial writing perk to unlock extra annoying perks. Also Sauron is supposed to be charismatic AF at this point, later on he gets nuked and has to resort to use artificial bodies like the ring
@@Lampoluke But just like Asmon said, Sauron in the show isn't really charismatic. He is just a regular asshole. But she is an asshole extraordinaire.
@@ImperativeGames he has some charm, but not the whole fallen angel thing he should have had
@@ImperativeGames ROP Sauron isn't even really an asshole. ROP Sauron wanted to just chill and be a smith in Numenor, but ROP Galadriel literally strong armed him into going back to Mordor.
Honestly I felt a little bad for him, and THATS how I knew that they got it all wrong.
It just felt like one of those shows that tried to be a piece of everything else rather than its own entity.
Nah, a Mary Sue is just objectively an annoying thing to watch.
Did you really watch the show or your just going off this video only? EDIT: oh your talking about rings of power.....
youre overthinking, its just shit
It felt more like the warcraft movie than lord of the rings...
I started watching frieren because of this video. It's actually incredible with 2 female protagonists
Glad frieren is getting popular. It’s A great example of an amazing anime that doesn’t need to rely on fan service tropes. Me and my daughter are watching it together and we both love it, it’s a great story. Lots of emotion, great music and crisply animated. I really hope it continues.
I 100% agree even though I am a fan of fan service. Thing is I love variety. I want both deep interesting narratives and trashy romcoms that can only be called guilty pleasures.
Though I have been getting tired of how all anime recently has just doing the same fan service route recently
@@b_asedIt's more like an underrated gem before the anime, but now every one know how beautiful it is
What age is it appropriate for, do you think?
I’d say 12. It’s a very mature show, in a sense of emotional maturity, one that makes you think. It deals with passage of time, and how life is short.
@@shmerelize it’s a mature show in its subject matter being deep themes of mortality, time, what people do with their lives. But as long as you think your kid can understand it and not be bored by some of the more slow contemplative scenes it’s fine for a kid to watch. The worst it gets as far as not safe for work stuff is the guys talking about their preferences in women, a single small dick joke, and the joke scene about fern buying a potion to melt clothes that became a meme
For a character so strong, she was the weakest character by far.
good one
good one
This quote gives me homelander vibes
35:30 It's not "fucked up", it's PURE logic. Psychopaths, what these demons are modelled after, are not insane. Insanity is clinically defined as being irrational. Psychopaths are hyperrational, not deterred by emotions like pity, regret or remorse, nor most other emotions. They can get thrills from sadistic highs or the thrill of their bad behaviour found out, but that's it - which is why they seek those thrills. Being hyper-rational does not mean they find the correct answers to things, that still relies on what information you have and how your hubris messes with that. Hubris is something strong in psychopaths. To someone incapable of forming emotional bonds, and in the background of the show, not even understanding what family means, the behaviour and explanations of the demon girl are completely logical. To psychopaths, as well as narcissists in general, people are not people. People are things, resources. Thus to the demon girl, the mayor cried about having lost his daughter, so the demon girl killed a mother to give him her daughter so he could have a daughter again. The psychopath demon girl does not comprehend the concept of an emotional bond and just sees "daughter" as a thing to be owned; as children of psychopaths who were lucky to not get these evil genes passed on, surely, traumatized, learned throughout their childhood: That they were never seen as people, but possessions.
20:28 I'd have to agree. I've dabbled a little in some martial arts when I was younger. We did mixed trainings. I might have been stronger than some men back then, but most definitely not stronger than the men I was training with. Imagine fighting full blown warriors, it just won't happen. It is one of my gripes with the Viking shows these days too, I mean there were some shield maidens, but exeptionally rare, basically all the fighters were male. If women really wanted someone dead, they'd generally have to be more resourceful, like poisoning food or stabbing someone in the neck while they were asleep, or cursing them or whatever if that works haha. For me as a female it's not really relatable either to see a woman killing a gazillion warriors around her with her sword.
38:03 As far as a stoic female characters not being something men would like, I'm not sure I agree. Like one of the chatters said, some Japanese female stoic characters are very well written and do have male fans. I'm also a rather stoic person myself, and do notice most men prefer more emotional ladies, but luckily there are those who actually appreciate it if emotions aren't out there so much, and when they are, at least they are real.
Book Arya vs show Arya.
When book Arya kills someone, it's often the product of some social engineering. The dude doesn't know that he's in danger until he's dead.
It's not only about relatability. This kind of 'women stronk' media portrayal is dangerous to the women who come to believe in this fictitious physical equality.
Honestly this is one of the points I disagree with in this video. While I don’t really like the “women stronk” portrayal we’ve been getting lately, I think women winning in physical battles can still work. As long as there’s some nuance about it. Like black widow uses techniques, weapons, her environment and gadgets to beat her opponents.
I also think it’s a bit weird to talk about relatability in this matter when the alternative in question is Women using magic. How is that more relatable or realistic?
I don't think you understand elves in tolkien lore but whatever.
Agree with the second point - a well-written character can really have any kind of traits and still be appealing in a wide variety of ways. It's that she is unlikeable that is the problem, and it's not "stoicism" doing that.
Finrod is my favorite character from the Legendarium. He is one of the most well rounded elves described and played the role of Prometheus to Man, as Orome was to the Elves. He wasn't described so much a warrior but as a wise elf who built the cavernous stronghold of Nargothrond and battled Sauron with songs of magic. His house of Finarfin was spared from exile because they did not partake in the 1st kinslaying. Finrod followed the exiled elves to Middle Earth because he wanted to OPPOSE Feanor's rule. The fact that they portrayed him joining oaths with the 7 sons of Feanor just shows that money is not spent correctly in these big budget productions.
Can you imagine if we'd gotten at least a hint of the Songs of Power scene?? Finrod is amazing in the books and does so much and I'll never forgive ROP for just killing him off screen.
@@DiZ_490 One of his best moments is his conversation with Andreth that highlights the mortal difference between elves and men. The elves have and will have seen many changes of seasons and view that passage from such a different perspective. It's really jarring for this to exist in the same universe as bratty 9000+yo Galadriel.
She's that one D&D player constantly getting the party in trouble by claiming to be a "chaotic neutral" character, but playing it like chaotic evil because that's what they really wanted to be and the DM/party wouldn't allow it.
only issue with watching Frieren is that some of the sublty of the story is lost even in the translation from subtitled to dubbed. The dubbed version even spoon feeds you plot points and hints. LIke the removal of complexity and revealing of information with out asking the audience to think has become so bad, even the dubs of an anime would choose thin the depth of dialogue just to make things more apparent for the viewer.
Another victim of bad western translators.
Yeah, the whole "Frieren the Slayer" thing for example. For those who don't know, Frierens title is actually the same as title of the anime. It could be rougly translated to "Frieren, who sends on last journey"
Stop yapping
the twist is that that's the name she's got from demons as she's the last thing they see before "being sent on the last journey", but i guess they just didnt bother retaining that@@gorn5264
I think they call that localizations, where they even insert their political ideologies. Apparently, they're being replaced by AI.
the issue with galadriel isnt just that she is a warior its that she never gets hit by anyone like aragorn almost got killed by lurtz and then you have galadriel casualy beating 5 6 dudes and not using like dodgin but just pure power it doesnt make any sense they had to make her fights closer at least so they would be belivable
You're comparing Aragorn, a guy who is around 80 year's old at the time of the Lord of the Rings, to fucking Galadriel, who is around 5000 years old at the time of the Rings of Power, and has been is countless wars, saw all kinds of shit that Aragorn couldn't even dream of... Like
Aragorn is not going to come close to her power.
While in Frieren's case, it told and shown many times she and her party (old and new) losing her fights despite having great magic power. It's through great effort and cooperation they manage to defeat difficult foes.
@@Xsorus they are both best swordsman of their movie/show so yea i make it to point out how to make a good fights scene vs how to make bad fight scene and lets not forget galadriel casualy defeated troll that a felowship barely defetead with gandalf and legolas
She would absolutely curb stomp a troll, She's one of the oldest living elves at the time of the show... Like I don't think you grasp how powerful she is at that point. @@franciskofranc7828
The lack of realism really comes from the bad fight scene writing than Galadriel bei,g a women or never been in difficulty. Take another popular fantasy serie : GOT. When Brienne of Torth or Arya (half the time) fight, it is believable. It is pure bullshit like every fights on TV but the coreography makes it believable. While in ROP, when Galadriel kill the oger or fight these five or six men, it is weird because the coreography is so bad that everything feels unnatural and not in a good way. For instance, Galadriel is suppose to have a lot more strenght than any human because she is an elf, but it is very inconsistant throughout the show. It is difficult to see her being dragged against her will by a human in one scene and making one fly after barely pushing him in the next. If the writers were consistant (like for Wonder Woman for instance) the fight scenes would nit be so weird.
I feel like writers now dont know people. Its not their fault. Older writers came from strife. War, steel mills hard labor. These new breed writers come from college. They dont know the mud the blood and the beer. Their war is being called the wrong pronoun. And it seems like a big deal to them. But to the rest of us that spend 14 hours a day trying not to die at work its a joke.
What a great point. Totally true
@@treasurehunter3369a writer's worth is measured by talent not hardship
@@michaelknox3715 someone with talent can still write garbage if they don’t understand humans. Its when talent and knowledge meet that you get a rockstar writer/director. I think that holds true in any profession really.
Good point. Their writing is more academically good rather than actually good.
Excellent point. This type of personal experiences maybe the only thing that could differentiate good human writers from AI ones in the future.
I like the phrase "shared human experience", because it tells that there is a universal truth which affects us all, no matter how different we are on the surface, and that's the difference between good and bad fictional writers.
Good fiction writers know for example, that believebility is judged based on reference.
For example, there are no dragons irl, so people are more willing to accept more variations of then, as long as they have some kind of wings. But people know instinctively that the more south you go, the darker the skin color gets, and no matter how high fantasy your story is, it will not change how people will perceive the world based on hiw the real world is.
The shared human experience also affect how people will expect male and female characters to act in a given situation, etc.
"Does Finrod even have friends?"
Oh boy, from a Tolkien fanboy's perspective that question hurts!
During his time in Middle Earth, making friend was something he was better at than any other character of the First Age!
He was the first elf in Beleriand that encountered humans and immediately set out to befriend them, and succeeded.
He gave his life for his friends in one of the most heroic sacrifices of that age.
Do you want to feel old ? Cate Blanchett was 32 years old when she played Galadriel in the first LOTR movie. Same with Hugh Jackman in the first X-men movie
Damn I didn’t realise she was that young.
i like how friren every ep begins a line 28 years after the death if himmel, like he became that important to the world and its history
Yeah. They could have counted it from the year they defeated the Demon King but no, Himmel's death is the more important point of reference.
himmels death is an important frame of reference BECAUSE of freiren herself and the emotional digestion involved.
@@crustybomb115 Because we're following Frieren's story, yeah. The demon king's death is probably more important to the world as a whole, but Himmel's death is more important to the characters we follow, thus that becomes the frame of reference.
@@kaltaron1284Himel's Death is more important to Frieren than Demon King's downfall.
Elves don't die in LoTR, their souls go to the halls of Mandos until they're given a new physical form.
Respawn Room
Halls of Mandolorians, how awful.
It's not always that physically powerful women capable of dominating battlefields with brute force isn't possible, but how the character is set up and presented. What also matters is what an audience can infer from the character based on how they talk, carry themselves, etc. For instance when Erza is introduced in Fairy Tail, she's hyped up to be a beast of supreme strength, Lucy imagines a literal monstrous figure and makes the viewers speculate what this woman is supposed to look like as well and when she's introduced she's actually an average looking woman but she's carrying a fucking horn the size of three large men with a single hand and is dressed in armor. This establishes she has impressive strength but it isn't just because she was always like that as her backstory fills in the gaps without directly telling us. Her days as a slave although harsh and cruel definitely served a role in her abnormal strength as her as she's shown to be very focused, diligent, and hardworking. She's said to be the strongest member of guild before Gildarts, Mirajane, Mystogan and Loxus are stated to be at her same level or above and the main character Natsu, whose introduction involved causing mass destruction, and Gray, portrayed to be a rival to Natsu, are both so terrified of getting their ass kicked by her immediately stop their bickering. They build her up as a powerhouse properly before having her trounce a room filled with enemies with ease.
And no one ever complains or criticize her as a Mary Sue, even though she very much could've been rightfully criticize as one earlier because the show never shows her off as infallible. She takes her opponents seriously and acknowledges them as threats that can harm if she's careless and she doesn't even say that, you can tell just because of the look in her eye when she starts beating everyone's asses. Despite this she's shown to be an extremely vulnerable person later just before the Tower of Heaven arc when it's revealed that her armor isn't just part of her ascetical theme, it's actually metaphorical of her fears and insecurities. She wears it to feel safe and protected, because she doesn't ever want to be hurt again. She isn't strong because she's awesome, she's strong because she's broken and scared inside and is hiding from the world when she's wearing her armor. And as she overcomes these flaws her later attitude changes slightly, she's more often and more willing to reveal her frilly side, always seen taking interest in new clothing, often dresses and such, and obsessing over sweets. Despite her very masculine nature and boldness, she actually wants to be a very feminine woman, even going so far as to put a flower in her hair because she thought it was cute and is genuinely enraged when it hilariously wilts and dies.
I agree. As someone who read all the books, I was massively disappointed in rings of power AND the hobbit. The directors basically decided to do whatever they want while they add in elements that will remind you of the Original Trilogy. Which might sound good and dandy, but it really does feel like they’re just fan fiction films. I’ll put it this way, I’ve rewatched the original lord of the rings trilogy a few times. Yet I haven’t rewatched the hobbits, or the rings of power one time.
Frieren is so good at show don't tell that it makes it feel special, problem I see with a lot of folks is there inability to understand subtle notes and if it's not shown they just can't believe it. Authors do so much in building an environment to learn from but unless they specifically state what's going on bit by bit it feels like folks completely become oblivious.
Although I agree with Asmon's take on women and magic user typecasting, it just takes a bit of creative writing to make a female brawler organic and believable. Vi of Arcane is an example. It makes sense she grows up to be a brawler because her father is one. She also grew up in a environment that would encourage that behavior. They explicitly say and show how she decided to be one but you never question it because the implications are strong from the start.
That’s not creative writing, you’re just thinking of things backwards.
But by the end, she's hitting people with powered gauntlets... which is fine and makes perfect sense.
The problem we're seeing in modern western entertainment, is a female character like Vi punching people with her bare fists, and doing the same damage as if she was wearing powered gauntlets.
@@mushyroom9569 hey if it works, it works.
@@malificajones7674I'm ok with inconsistencies in terms of damage mechanics as long as it serves a narrative purpose. The power of friendship in anime serves the same purpose. However, if you make a female character OP just because she needs to be OP then it becomes nonsensical and ridiculous.
Even in LOTR you have Eowyn who is a badass warrior but not because she is better at fighting than men, but because she is brave and dutiful to her family and country and confronts a ringwraith when other people might have run instead.
Frieren is such a damn good show
if you are a fan of Fantasy at all give this show a shot, even if you aren't a fan of anime in general Frieren just hits different it is so fucking good
i really hate the art style. not for me. the writing is obviously much better than RoP. but that doesnt say much, i have seen cat food commercials with better writing.
@@kimrasmussen7188 Sounds like you got filtered.
@@kimrasmussen7188 it's okay, Frieren is not action movies so you might find it boring
@@nolifeking9441 i can live without action,
one of my favorite movies is margin call.
and if i really hate the pictures, then there
is no reason to watch it at all.
its a visual media , so the pictures are pretty important.
Frieren is just an EPIC Anime! Loved every minute! Although it's funny to watch as a German because all Names are German and they choose some funny ones tbh 😅 Frieren for example means "Freeze", Himmel is "Heaven", Eisen is "Iron" and Heiter is "Cheerful" 😂
FYI: the suggested reason that there's "chemistry" between Galadriel and Halbrand is because it's initially suspected via earlier leaks that there was originally going to be a romantic encounter between them before the fans screamed bloody redrum and the studio rolled back the need for intimacy training for characters.
Replying to Ripley being stoic, She dealt with PTSD from the first movie, and was a mother figure to Newt. Hardly stoic
Ripley in the first film starts off stoic but as things turn for the worse slowly it gets chipped away showing she is a three dimensional person. In the end she does a completely illogical emotional sentimental thing where she goes after the cat to rescue it. She could escape easier without it but she does it because she has an emotional connection with the cat.
Wait till they learn that
Himmel's Sword Also has a great back story
probably the best twist on the chosen one story archetype
i feel like the sword real test was not seeing who is worthy to pull it out but to test the will of the people who failed to pull it out but never letting it discourage them from doing the right thing
to be a true hero
@@metaford3746"You dont need destiny to tell you will have success to actually succed."
I really came to like twists in Chosen One tropes, i fell in love with Morrowind bc when we go to the Cave of the Incarnate, we see all the "failed nerevarines". We see that we still can fail like they did, so your achievements are earned and the whole journey to fullfil the prophecy is actually a guide to defeat Dagoth Ur.
Anyone who hasn’t seen it, the channel Tolkien Untangled did a series on “how rings of power should have been written” that lays out a much better story and even accounts for the lore restrictions that Amazon had. I’d recommend it for those interested
When the representation of all what is evil in the universe, is far more likeable than your female empowered protagonist, it mean you fucked up the script, blinded by your activism.
Asmongold is right about western modern writers writing a male character and replacing it with a female. Problem with female characters in the west is they lack flaws, femininity and a personality. Many are obnoxious "I am a woman who don't need a man, flaws and a convincing backstory".
My all-time favorite movies were the predator where 7 muscle bound and high testosterone men go in guns blazing at the start kicking some rebel groups ass in the middle of the jungle only to then start shitting them selfs with many having a mental break as the predator picks them of. Even Dutch in many instances looks scared shitless and has no idea what to do. And even by the third act where hes 1v1ing the predator he only beats the predator because he sets up a trap.
Ripley from Aliens was another person who in the second movie had nightmares and was scared shitless and at first refuse to go to that planet and contact that colony and you could see fear in her eyes.
Ripley reminded me of a mother figure who even out of her depth would risk her life to for her child.
pvt vasquez in the second aliens movie was even well written. She reminded me of my lesbian cousin who was a badass and wanted to be of the boys who would hang out with me and my mates doing bloke shit, cracking jokes and was cool af. Vasquez was homies with one of the soldiers and tried to risk her life for the her best mate.
Facts on facts I agree 100%
I've been saying this for a while. Modern day "Strong Female Characters" are just the B Movie "Macho Men" stereotype with a superficial coating of Girl Power.
@@Birthday888”Modern Day strong female characters are like B movie macho men characters” I totally agree. This is the perfect way to put it.
To be honest though, portrayal of women is fucked in both countries, japan's portrayal of women SUCKS unless its a female lead cast most of the times
Can confirm, Frieren is/was awesome. The first episode alone felt like an entire movie, a good one at that. Really nostalgic
Asmond's take on this is spot on. Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't have a bit of realism in it. All the stories, books, movies, tv shows, or games, have realism in it. All those that don't... are usually hated. The person that asked if you couldn't just have an agile female warrior.. yeah, sure, but even then she is likely to get crushed by a male that has 50lbs on her.
"Just because something is fiction doesn't mean it shouldn't have a bit of realism in it."
That's an old truism and not a new amazing revelation. But the word you are looking for isn't "realism", it's "internal logic". Every fictional world setting,even if it contains magic or supowerpowers, needs to have the writer set down rules and limitations how things work and then follow those rules to stay believable. As Terry Pratchett once wrote (in his preface to the Discworld Ank-Morpork city map), good writers realize that setting limitations on yourself means you have to get creative. Changing the rules of your fictional world in the middle of the story just because you want X to happen without having to think how the character might accomplish that is lazy writing.
Too many bad writers think that "fictional" equals "If I say so any random thing I want to happen can happen" and whine how they don't want to be "limited" by rules or internal logic, pretending that having absolute "freedom" makes stories better when in reality it makes them worse because they become arbitrary drivel.
Tell that to all the warrior women in anime, like heck there is SOME realism but that doesn't mean it has to have real life logic or limitations. Us relating to the character and their story is the realism that every story needs. Do people hate Naruto because Tsunade had super strength? Erza Scarlet in Fairy Tail?
At the end of the day, Frieren seems more likeable and... human I guess? She is detached, but she doesn't seem to actively dislike people. You can get the feeling that she has a hard time getting people close to her because of her mindset, but she does cares for the people around her - and by the end of the opening episode, we see her realize how much she is missing and work towards improving herself. Meanwhile... Galadrielle?
It doesn't have to be mage vs fighter. Seirei no Moribito had a female fighter as protagonist, she didn't have a chip on her shoulder and bad case of "Look at how awesome and edgy I am, everyone around me is shit and no one appreciates me"-itis. She has a small chip on her shoulder and a task she wants done, but she is mature enough to have some kind of acceptance of her particular place in the world as a woman who is very good in what is clearly stated to be a man's business. I know there's more to writing a female character than writing a decent male character and gender-flipping it, but damn, Gally is a gender-flipped male edgelord.
To counter the "western media lacks subtlety" a bit, I'd say anime on thw whole actually has a mich bigger problem with a lack of subtlety. Characters exposition dump and overexplain in anime sometimes to an absurd degree
One of the most important tenets of good scriptwriting is "show don't tell". If it CAN be shown instead of dictated, it should be. That puts more importance on the dialogue and keeps viewers observant. I think show writers have missed this in how heavy-handed they are in overtly narrating every nuance of the characters' feelings and motives.
I absolutely agree with you, except, the writers aren’t missing it. They are intentionally writing it this way to “challenge the status quo.” They are rebelling.
@@redwing1214 I, too, would want to challenge the expectations that I produce quality work.
Unless you're an anime, then that doesn't apply as much, 'cause the language itself is part of the spectacle. You get Dragon Lolies who speak like Aethelwulf with exaggerated archaic Japanese pathos, then you get the quiet kid who always speaks in the polite register even amongst their equals, then there's the maids who are the same but much more dignified and charismatic, to the point that you can't like Anime without liking maids, and butlers, then there's the Ojou-sama archetype, where they basically speak like that exaggerated posh British nobleman, but they are female now, and even the nobles themselves have a type of suffix honorific exclusive to them, Kyō・卿 for male nobles, and jō・嬢 for females. And then there's a street thug speech archetype where you sound rough and menacing, swearing, but not through word choices, but actually word conjugations. There's just a shit ton of those speech archetypes where the slightest change of pronouns or register levels can have a huge impact on the story, since Japanese is way more dramatistic than English, so much so that you have pronouns for kings, rulers, knights, samurai, and so on. Shit's so ridiculous, they had to give it a name, which is Yakuwarigo・役割語, or Archetype Speech, as in, the literal role and or hierarchy of a character demonstrated through the type of speech register they use in a story.
@@danielantony1882 what
@@dogleghobagYes. That's what you heard. That's what Anime is, and how the Japanese language defines it.
I went straight to crunchyroll to check out Frieren, 2 episodes in and it doesn't disappoint so far at all. Not even my style of anime but the first episode had me hooked.
I watched both shows fully and Frieren is the better elf character.
its not hard to be a better elf character than rings of power galadriel
@@yvindvego9404It helps that ROP's Galadriel neither seem like an Elf nor a character.
An 8 year old can write a better elf character than Rings of Power
Anime has always managed to tread past the boundaries that western movies are too scared to cross. That's what I've always loved the most about anime since I first decided to give the industry a chance.
The real problem is that Galadriel is supposed to be one of the most beautiful women of all time, but here she is objectively basic and annoying.
I always thought elves don't actually die, they travel to the halls of Mandos and if they aren't Feanor, leave the halls for Valinor after getting over their "death".
Feanor did nothing wrong
@@incrediblehobson8479 he did, that’s why he cannot be released from the halls of Mandos till the end of Arda. But sure, go off on the contrarian arc.
@@incrediblehobson8479He’s solely responsible for elves killing other elves for the first and only time in Valinor, The Kinslaying.
True, but what’s more Finrod was actually one of the few, if not the only one instantly released from the halls and is totally fine in Valinor. So when Galadriel jumps off the boat to ‘avenge him’, in RoP, she could have literally stayed in the boat and just gone and seen him and spoke to him 😂
AFAIK it's not only Feanor who's banned but everyone who followed him with funnily enough Finrod being the only exception.
Peter Jackson's LOTR understood women can be powerful without the need for "power means physical strength therefore make the woman a warrior"
If anyone has read the manga Azumi thats a perfect way to make a warrior type girl character. She never overpowers anyone with her strength. If she gets grappled by a man she has no shot but she is just so much faster than everyone else that she dodges and slips all of their attacks instead of blocking massive hits like a gigachad.
I remember that movie, I think same with Ichi blind girl.
@arsakhasummer5185 I haven't seen the movie yet. I'm like 200 chapters into the manga and it's really fucking good
@@ambzc try watching it! Is trilogy if I'm not wrong.
The thing is, men are faster too...
@@alaron5698 It's fiction bro. Give them believable attributes hence speed instead of strength. You just want to argue to argue bro.
I haven't watched animes for years but somehow I clicked on Frieren during a treadmill slow run and got sucked into the world.
An important aspect of Frieren is that not only he is a moving force for her, but he is the ultimate goal, she is literally trying to go to heaven so she can speak to him again, that's the most important part of the plot
Frieren totally hard diffed Galadriel(R.O.P) soo hard, it's not even comparable.
I don’t mean to be that guy, but it’s low diffed, if it was hard or high diff then that means it was very close (high/hard difficulty).
wouldn't that be no diffed then?