Nailer's muffed punt return was obviously a game changing moment. A terrible play by a very good player. But Flores was the worst Viking today. Every time we get a significant lead, Flores drops everyone back into a loose zone, and the result is our opponent marching down the field 25 yards at a time. Why does Flores change what's been working for most of the game?
But didn't Flores win? Did you want him to use things in his playbook to make the score look pretty? Doesn't it make more sense to do what you have to, to win comfortably, and keep as much stuff off film as you can??
@@robe2504 But we didn't win comfortably, did we? We won by 2 points, in a game where we were up by 28 points, and the Packers were an onside kick away from maybe beating us. And you're suggesting we shouldn't keep doing what works because teams might figure out how to beat us in the future by watching film. Really good teams, when they've got you on the ropes, they put the hammer down and put the game out of reach, not lay back.
@@jackmarquardson9023 Yes, they really did. No different from the 49ers game. 2 mins, no time outs needing to score twice. The Vikes literally said in the 49er pressers that they weren't to worried if the 49ers scored, they just wanted to use most of the remaining time because without timeouts it was virtually impossible to score twice in 2 mins. They're just happy to close out games in this low intensity way. No point revealing more of the playbook or making the defence to stress too much for a game that was effectively done.
Nailors muff and KOC going for it inside the 20. Nailor doing his best SB helmet catch. KOC claims he's learned a lot from Bud Grant but he wasn't listening. Grant would have taken the 3 when up by two scores and we walked away with nothing. We left 10 points on the field today. That's three games in a row we've left points on the field.
A chip shot FG would've req'd the Pack to score TWO TD's. Very dumb move and almost cost them the game. When it was 28-0 I had this overwhelming feeling of doom to come instead of elation. Just knew bad things were to come even before the muffed punt.
I want to make mention in the Loser category is the Vikings Running Game. Again no 100-yard rush in the first half. No rushing game in the second half to eat up the clock. That adds to my suspicion that the IOL isn't very good. Prevent Defense too early in the game. So yes, this was on the coaches. Love was able to pick apart the Secondary in the second half of the game.
Lmfao Jesus Christ 21ft away from 100yds on the ground not taking away his 40+ receiving plus a win and you're complaining 😅😅😅😅 man there's always always one
@@necrophagiakc can you read 100 yrds in the first half. If this team is going to become a great team capable of going deep in the playoffs, they are going to have to have a good first half running game. I don't see our OLine breaking holes for the RBs. They are very good in pass protection.
@@michaelboswell4318 I am talking about run blocking - he was at the second level waiting several times. I'm not sure what you're expecting. The Vikes outrushed the Packers comfortably, and you have to at least respect the Packers D Line, and they likely had a special focus on Jones this week.
"it was very ed donatell like". exactly, I have no idea, neither did Flores, what the defense was doing in the fourth quarter. I mean really, what was going on in the second half defense. I am use to KOC going ultra conservative with a lead in the second half. It is what it is.
Winners play until the final whistle. Losers let off the gas when they think they have a safe lead. KOC has a loser mentality. The second they tried to run out the clock near midfield with 2 minutes left in the half, i knew this was going to happen. How? From 46 years of watching it happen.
I got my own thoughts and critcisms however I can't complain much when our team is 4-0 and beating supposedly according to the media "good teams". It could be worse like the last 6 seasons but at this point in the season it can't get better than 4-0.
Nailor was out to return that punt because KOC decided to let Darnold play hero ball on the previous drive on 3rd and 1 instead of just running the ball, and our PR Powell got hurt on that play getting tackled OB on a poor throw. Pound the friggin ball, get the first down, keep the clock moving, and end the half up 31 or 35-0. Don't need to get cute.
The only conspiracy nobody talks about is how the NFL must have a mandate in place forcing teams to play prevent D when they have a 4th quarter lead so the games end up being close/exciting. Every team does it and it's maddening, so it's the only thing that makes sense. 32 teams can't be this dumb. Just keep playing the defense you were playing that frustrated the other team for 3 quarters and stop worrying about the damn clock. Forcing the other team to go 3-n-out will burn more clock than letting them play catch all the way downfield for easy TD's.
1 KOC- not running the ball in the second half. 2. Flores defense figured out just like last year and for not playing Dallas Turner. 3. Nailor- can't catch a punt.
1. The Jets - the Vikes just got a wake up call. No revenge TD's to be orchestrated for Aaron Jones there. 2. The Packers, now 2.5 games back in the division with the Texans, 49ers and 5 divisional games to come 3. The Packers for letting Greg Joseph go. He kicked 6 of 6 for the Giants. Do they have the kickers curse now 4. National analysts that continued to underestimate the Vikes 5. Vikes fans that are still whining about a 4-0 team, or the FO, coaches, and players - because they were right about everything, and you still have nfi.
I blame the coaches. All that mattered was to not do Green Bay a huge favor. Line up and don't jump offside. Don't run into the punter. Don't attempt to return the punt because of the risk of a turnover, a penalty, an injury, or even being goaded into a fight.
Same. And once past the Lions, it's hard to see an obvious loss for a while, especially with Hockenson due back in 4 or 5 weeks. There's always any given Sunday, but today felt a bit like that. If they can beat the Lions after the bye, the division might be locked up before they see even the Bears again in week 15.
Top five more this week. 1. Dallas turner. He is a rookie so I can’t really give him a terrible shake this week. But he was late in the run coverage and the bull rush was not bull rushing. 2. Jalen Nailer, not sure why you are even attempting to catch that ball… 3. Brian Flores, self explanatory. 4. Darnold second half. No need to risk the game with huge leads like that. Make the reads that are there not the hero ball we all know had failed him in the past. 5. NFL. The referees will always be a thing, but how that INT isn’t overturned is actually absurd.
@@TheOGMattBurns I’m not sure if you are drunk right now, tired, or just simply trying to start something, but Dallas Turner 100% played on the field for the Minnesota Vikings today.
Re Turner - probably just needed the game. I'm looking for him later in the season. Re 4, Darnold was pretty good most of the game. He took a sack to avoid a worse play. He ran a couple of times when the play broke down - I was expecting and hoping to see more of that as the season progresses. But on the INT throw it looked like there were a couple of easy underneath throws that would have been easy first downs - but he'll see that in film study this week. He seems to be better each week.
@@bk0333 I was thinking last week and confused Pace being out for Turner. Didn't see any stats on him for the game and I don't remember even seeing him involved.
No. Last week Brandon Powell signaled for a fair catch but had no intention of catching it so close to the end zone. Instead he blocked the gunner to prevent him from downing the football. The ball bounced/rolled across the goal line for a touchback. The broadcast buffoons had no idea what was going on, though it's not uncommon. Some viewers may have wondered why the sideline teammates were congratulating Powell.
We overcame those delay of games so im not too worried about that but fr. Bryon fucking murphy. He got bailed out by the turnovers that we got but god i wish that blackmon didnt tear his acl in camp, we might not have had a weak link
Mistakes were made on special teams, offense, defense, coaching and officiating. They will all learn from it & get better. We're 4-0, move on to the next victim!
I agree with O'Connell being a turd. When you have a lead in the 4th quarter good coaches use the run game to sustain long drives to take time off the clock. He wants to throw,throw and throw more. 3 n outs taking less than a minute off the clock. His play calling has always been an issue. It will bite us in the ass someday if hes not smarter with game management
@robe2504 idk why I'm even responding to this. If you're gonna make a comment at least say something intelligent or something with a bit of common sense
@@jasoncolucci5390 Ok, we'll review the game, and you'll see that he did EXACTLY what you think he should have done. The three and out was run, run, throw, punt. At 28-22 with 9 minutes to go running 3 times, potentially going 3 and out, and taking 2 minutes off the clock would have been pretty stupid. They needed to score. They move the ball up the field easily, took 3.26 off the clock and scored, two score buffer restored. Under 5 to go. Intercepted the next GB possession. 1st down - Jones run, 2nd down - Jones run 3rd down - 3rd and 6, short pass to extend the drive incomplete 4th down - punt 100% attempted what you suggest - another 1.42 off the clock even with the 3 and out. Back to the D. Murphy forced fumble - got the ball back. 1st down - Jones run Oliver false start - now they're behind the sticks' 2nd down - Jones run 3rd down - 3rd and 12, need to pass to extend the drive, complete to Jefferson 1st down - 18 yard pass to Addison - why not take a shot on 1st (now well in FG range) 1st down - Jones run 2nd down - Jones run 3rd down - Jones run 4th down - Nailor sweep run So, again 6 runs that exhausted all the Packers timeouts, and only passed when necessary to extend the drive - and one smart shot. Wtf are you whining about? That is almost a class in perfect playcalling, taking all the time off the clock, and having full confidence in the best WR in the league when he needed that one play. Skol!
@@onebarandlupagus Box score and real score are two completely different things. Y’all have played that narrative before as well. They let them score regardless that last drive.
@@bk0333 Agreed. It was identical to that last drive versus the 49ers. They were only interested in sucking the time off the clock and putting the game out of reach.
KOC is the achilles heel of this team. His play calls when games get tight are ass. Love the culture he's brought, but if it wasn't for the D and bflo we would be 1-4 at best
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We would have gone up 35-0 at half if KOC knew when to run the damn ball
Nailer's muffed punt return was obviously a game changing moment. A terrible play by a very good player. But Flores was the worst Viking today. Every time we get a significant lead, Flores drops everyone back into a loose zone, and the result is our opponent marching down the field 25 yards at a time. Why does Flores change what's been working for most of the game?
I agree, i dont get it either. Never liked that prevent defense or whatever they call it.
But didn't Flores win? Did you want him to use things in his playbook to make the score look pretty? Doesn't it make more sense to do what you have to, to win comfortably, and keep as much stuff off film as you can??
@@robe2504 But we didn't win comfortably, did we? We won by 2 points, in a game where we were up by 28 points, and the Packers were an onside kick away from maybe beating us. And you're suggesting we shouldn't keep doing what works because teams might figure out how to beat us in the future by watching film. Really good teams, when they've got you on the ropes, they put the hammer down and put the game out of reach, not lay back.
@Jrpj-e6x it's called prevent a win defense. And pay no attention to the biggest troll on the internet that robe loser.
@@jackmarquardson9023 Yes, they really did. No different from the 49ers game. 2 mins, no time outs needing to score twice. The Vikes literally said in the 49er pressers that they weren't to worried if the 49ers scored, they just wanted to use most of the remaining time because without timeouts it was virtually impossible to score twice in 2 mins.
They're just happy to close out games in this low intensity way.
No point revealing more of the playbook or making the defence to stress too much for a game that was effectively done.
KOC needs to learn to cut the brake lines and put a brick on the gas pedal.
Why now? Can we trust them to leave until it actually matters, like in the playoffs?
Nailors muff and KOC going for it inside the 20. Nailor doing his best SB helmet catch. KOC claims he's learned a lot from Bud Grant but he wasn't listening. Grant would have taken the 3 when up by two scores and we walked away with nothing. We left 10 points on the field today. That's three games in a row we've left points on the field.
A chip shot FG would've req'd the Pack to score TWO TD's. Very dumb move and almost cost them the game. When it was 28-0 I had this overwhelming feeling of doom to come instead of elation. Just knew bad things were to come even before the muffed punt.
Gotta go with Asamoah for taking up a roster spot. Skol!
Ikr, he was decent with ed donnashell but i guess flores doesnt like him
Jalen Naylor - million dollar ability under a ten cent brain.
I want to make mention in the Loser category is the Vikings Running Game. Again no 100-yard rush in the first half. No rushing game in the second half to eat up the clock. That adds to my suspicion that the IOL isn't very good. Prevent Defense too early in the game. So yes, this was on the coaches. Love was able to pick apart the Secondary in the second half of the game.
Lmfao Jesus Christ 21ft away from 100yds on the ground not taking away his 40+ receiving plus a win and you're complaining 😅😅😅😅 man there's always always one
@@necrophagiakc can you read 100 yrds in the first half. If this team is going to become a great team capable of going deep in the playoffs, they are going to have to have a good first half running game. I don't see our OLine breaking holes for the RBs. They are very good in pass protection.
@@michaelboswell4318 Have another look at the film - Ingram was way out in front of Jones a couple of times waiting for him to get there.
@@robe2504 I am not talking about the pass protection. Where are the holes for the RB to run through. They don't exist. Not in the first half anyway.
@@michaelboswell4318 I am talking about run blocking - he was at the second level waiting several times. I'm not sure what you're expecting. The Vikes outrushed the Packers comfortably, and you have to at least respect the Packers D Line, and they likely had a special focus on Jones this week.
"it was very ed donatell like". exactly, I have no idea, neither did Flores, what the defense was doing in the fourth quarter. I mean really, what was going on in the second half defense.
I am use to KOC going ultra conservative with a lead in the second half. It is what it is.
The Vikes ran out of breath! KOC needs to have these puppies run a lap before leaving practice every day to build up their endurance!
Winners play until the final whistle. Losers let off the gas when they think they have a safe lead. KOC has a loser mentality. The second they tried to run out the clock near midfield with 2 minutes left in the half, i knew this was going to happen. How? From 46 years of watching it happen.
100% correct. I saw it coming as well even before the muffed punt.
Growing pains continue to be and issue but its not losing us games and we really need to learn how to play with a lead and when blowing a team out.
I got my own thoughts and critcisms however I can't complain much when our team is 4-0 and beating supposedly according to the media "good teams". It could be worse like the last 6 seasons but at this point in the season it can't get better than 4-0.
Exactly. We know so little about the overall strategy. What they wanted to look at for future games, or keep hidden, who was gassed, or beaten up?
Nailor was out to return that punt because KOC decided to let Darnold play hero ball on the previous drive on 3rd and 1 instead of just running the ball, and our PR Powell got hurt on that play getting tackled OB on a poor throw. Pound the friggin ball, get the first down, keep the clock moving, and end the half up 31 or 35-0. Don't need to get cute.
My buddy Todd was at Lambeau for the game. Was sending me pics of packers fans leaving.
I loved seeing Ingram downfield on several running plays….PFF up!
And blocking the wrong guy! Lol
Same. A segment of Vikes fans barking up the wrong tree there.
The only conspiracy nobody talks about is how the NFL must have a mandate in place forcing teams to play prevent D when they have a 4th quarter lead so the games end up being close/exciting. Every team does it and it's maddening, so it's the only thing that makes sense. 32 teams can't be this dumb. Just keep playing the defense you were playing that frustrated the other team for 3 quarters and stop worrying about the damn clock. Forcing the other team to go 3-n-out will burn more clock than letting them play catch all the way downfield for easy TD's.
1 KOC- not running the ball in the second half.
2. Flores defense figured out just like last year and for not playing Dallas Turner.
3. Nailor- can't catch a punt.
1. The Jets - the Vikes just got a wake up call. No revenge TD's to be orchestrated for Aaron Jones there.
2. The Packers, now 2.5 games back in the division with the Texans, 49ers and 5 divisional games to come
3. The Packers for letting Greg Joseph go. He kicked 6 of 6 for the Giants. Do they have the kickers curse now
4. National analysts that continued to underestimate the Vikes
5. Vikes fans that are still whining about a 4-0 team, or the FO, coaches, and players - because they were right about everything, and you still have nfi.
I don't know how anyone is complaining,no one thought they would be 4-0 and they will learn from this.
I thought they would go 5-0, or 4-1 and have the receipts, but I totally agree with the first and last bit.
That wasn't Nailors fault what the fuck did the coaches even have a person back to receive the punt.
I blame the coaches. All that mattered was to not do Green Bay a huge favor.
Line up and don't jump offside. Don't run into the punter. Don't attempt to return the punt because of the risk of a turnover, a penalty, an injury, or even being goaded into a fight.
And 4th & 1 kick the FG and go up by 12? that said refs screwed us with their spot!!!
4-0! The Jets are about to find out. Already looking forward to next week. I'm excited for the chance to be undefeated going into bye.
Same. And once past the Lions, it's hard to see an obvious loss for a while, especially with Hockenson due back in 4 or 5 weeks. There's always any given Sunday, but today felt a bit like that. If they can beat the Lions after the bye, the division might be locked up before they see even the Bears again in week 15.
I’d go with Ryan Wright. He’s pretty subpar this year. His only good punt bounced about 15 yards.
Subpar? He is prolly the worst punter in football rn!
Top five more this week.
1. Dallas turner. He is a rookie so I can’t really give him a terrible shake this week. But he was late in the run coverage and the bull rush was not bull rushing.
2. Jalen Nailer, not sure why you are even attempting to catch that ball…
3. Brian Flores, self explanatory.
4. Darnold second half. No need to risk the game with huge leads like that. Make the reads that are there not the hero ball we all know had failed him in the past.
5. NFL. The referees will always be a thing, but how that INT isn’t overturned is actually absurd.
Turner didn't play today.
@@TheOGMattBurns I’m not sure if you are drunk right now, tired, or just simply trying to start something, but Dallas Turner 100% played on the field for the Minnesota Vikings today.
Re Turner - probably just needed the game. I'm looking for him later in the season.
Re 4, Darnold was pretty good most of the game. He took a sack to avoid a worse play. He ran a couple of times when the play broke down - I was expecting and hoping to see more of that as the season progresses. But on the INT throw it looked like there were a couple of easy underneath throws that would have been easy first downs - but he'll see that in film study this week. He seems to be better each week.
@@robe2504 yeah, he missed a wide open Powell on one roll out.
@@bk0333 I was thinking last week and confused Pace being out for Turner. Didn't see any stats on him for the game and I don't remember even seeing him involved.
4-0 baby I am not going to get to upset.
What about the int at the 2yd line....Darnold makes the list.
Yea, bad decision to throw that, but honestly…it wasn’t an interception. The refs blew that call.
Nailor called for a fair catch. Doesn't he have to catch it then? Wouldn't it be a live ball if he let it hit the ground untouched?
No. Last week Brandon Powell signaled for a fair catch but had no intention of catching it so close to the end zone. Instead he blocked the gunner to prevent him from downing the football.
The ball bounced/rolled across the goal line for a touchback.
The broadcast buffoons had no idea what was going on, though it's not uncommon. Some viewers may have wondered why the sideline teammates were congratulating Powell.
Even if there was a penalty for it who the heck cares. There's no penalty ever created that gives a change of possession.
well shit, great game that one hurts a bit
too many delay of games and wasted time outs . koc owns that . please for the love of god , someone teach 7 how to tackle
KOC is slowly opening up the playbook. By the break, those problems will evaporate.
Teach #7 how to cover, also!
Replace him. He's a liability. When the enemy needs, they target him and get it
he will wake up one day and theyll remove his name and put whiff on the back .
We overcame those delay of games so im not too worried about that but fr. Bryon fucking murphy. He got bailed out by the turnovers that we got but god i wish that blackmon didnt tear his acl in camp, we might not have had a weak link
BFLO haha he was sick today only gave up 2 drives and got 4 turnovers, DO YOU. OYS OAY ATTENTION, your slipping
Mistakes were made on special teams, offense, defense, coaching and officiating. They will all learn from it & get better. We're 4-0, move on to the next victim!
dont blame flores . thats koc that continuisly pusses out and cant finish games . im sure flores was told to go into prevent .
You’re an idiot if you think in anyway KOC wasn’t great today.
I agree with O'Connell being a turd. When you have a lead in the 4th quarter good coaches use the run game to sustain long drives to take time off the clock. He wants to throw,throw and throw more. 3 n outs taking less than a minute off the clock. His play calling has always been an issue. It will bite us in the ass someday if hes not smarter with game management
So why are all the "good coaches" with their franchise QBs trailing in KOCs dust????
@robe2504 idk why I'm even responding to this. If you're gonna make a comment at least say something intelligent or something with a bit of common sense
@@jasoncolucci5390 Ok, we'll review the game, and you'll see that he did EXACTLY what you think he should have done. The three and out was run, run, throw, punt.
At 28-22 with 9 minutes to go running 3 times, potentially going 3 and out, and taking 2 minutes off the clock would have been pretty stupid. They needed to score. They move the ball up the field easily, took 3.26 off the clock and scored, two score buffer restored. Under 5 to go.
Intercepted the next GB possession.
1st down - Jones run,
2nd down - Jones run
3rd down - 3rd and 6, short pass to extend the drive incomplete
4th down - punt
100% attempted what you suggest - another 1.42 off the clock even with the 3 and out. Back to the D.
Murphy forced fumble - got the ball back.
1st down - Jones run
Oliver false start - now they're behind the sticks'
2nd down - Jones run
3rd down - 3rd and 12, need to pass to extend the drive, complete to Jefferson
1st down - 18 yard pass to Addison - why not take a shot on 1st (now well in FG range)
1st down - Jones run
2nd down - Jones run
3rd down - Jones run
4th down - Nailor sweep run
So, again 6 runs that exhausted all the Packers timeouts, and only passed when necessary to extend the drive - and one smart shot.
Wtf are you whining about?
That is almost a class in perfect playcalling, taking all the time off the clock, and having full confidence in the best WR in the league when he needed that one play.
Skol!
Does KOC fire BFlo this week?
1 - 0 in the North
Big win but I did get to yell at my tv the second half. To nerve racking but skol Vikings skol
Haha, yes one too many successful Hail Mary's. But those two 4th quarter drives were clutch.
prevent defense sux
play to win don't play to not lose
Prevent Defense.....Prevents you from winning! Lol
@@johnswanson3741we were way too close to preventing our win there
Tampa 2, why ?
lol, Minnesota won by 9 not two.
Better check your box score.
@@onebarandlupagus Box score and real score are two completely different things. Y’all have played that narrative before as well. They let them score regardless that last drive.
@@bk0333 Agreed. It was identical to that last drive versus the 49ers. They were only interested in sucking the time off the clock and putting the game out of reach.
I hope the Viking players were celebrating at halftime...if they were, let that be a lesson.
Obvius loser is Godell. He w to lose so bad
Completely asinine to have KOC on this list.
Green bay losers!
#boozy
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KOC is the achilles heel of this team. His play calls when games get tight are ass. Love the culture he's brought, but if it wasn't for the D and bflo we would be 1-4 at best
Oh dear. Running out of things to whine about...