Darcy's first proposal - Pride & Prejudice (1940,1961,1967,1980,1995,2005)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- 00:00 - Pride and Prejudice (1940)
04:59 - Orgoglio e pregiudizio (1957, Italian)
06:06 - De vier dochters Bennet (1961,Dutch)
14:21 - Pride and Prejudice (1967)
18:47 - Pride and Prejudice (1980)
23:55 - Pride and Prejudice (1995)
29:04 - Pride & Prejudice (2005)
Darcy's second proposal scene: • Darcy's second proposa...
Series: • Pride & Prejudice mome...
Thanks to @Darcyfied for the 1961 (Dutch) and 1967 clips!
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*Darcy's second proposal scene:* ruclips.net/video/eqTaXEmTKPc/видео.html
*Series:* ruclips.net/p/PLzcoQ_vebs-T2HiyFRu1TzCiioISLXLRq
_..she (Elizabeth) was suddenly roused by the sound of the door-bell; and her spirits were a little fluttered by the idea of its being Colonel Fitzwilliam himself, who had once before called late in the evening, and might now come to inquire particularly after her. But this idea was soon banished, and her spirits were very differently affected, when, to her utter amazement, she saw Mr. Darcy walk into the room. In a hurried manner he immediately began an inquiry after her health, imputing his visit to a wish of hearing that she were better. She answered him with cold civility. He sat down for a few moments, and then getting up walked about the room. Elizabeth was surprised, but said not a word. After a silence of several minutes, he came towards her in an agitated manner, and thus began:-_
_“In vain have I struggled. It will not do. My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you.”_
_Elizabeth’s astonishment was beyond expression. She stared, coloured, doubted, and was silent. This he considered sufficient encouragement, and the avowal of all that he felt and had long felt for her immediately followed. He spoke well; but there were feelings besides those of the heart to be detailed, and he was not more eloquent on the subject of tenderness than of pride. His sense of her inferiority, of its being a degradation, of the family obstacles which judgment had always opposed to inclination, were dwelt on with a warmth which seemed due to the consequence he was wounding, but was very unlikely to recommend his suit._
_In spite of her deeply-rooted dislike, she could not be insensible to the compliment of such a man’s affection, and though her intentions did not vary for an instant, she was at first sorry for the pain he was to receive; till roused to resentment by his subsequent language, she lost all compassion in anger. She tried, however, to compose herself to answer him with patience, when he should have done. He concluded with representing to her the strength of that attachment which in spite of all his endeavours he had found impossible to conquer; and with expressing his hope that it would now be rewarded by her acceptance of his hand. As he said this she could easily see that he had no doubt of a favourable answer. He spoke of apprehension and anxiety, but his countenance expressed real security. Such a circumstance could only exasperate farther; and when he ceased the colour rose into her cheeks and she said,-_
_“In such cases as this, it is, I believe, the established mode to express a sense of obligation for the sentiments avowed, however unequally they may be returned. It is natural that obligation should be felt, and if I could feel gratitude, I would now thank you. But I cannot-I have never desired your good opinion, and you have certainly bestowed it most unwillingly. I am sorry to have occasioned pain to anyone. It has been most unconsciously done, however, and I hope will be of short duration. The feelings which you tell me have long prevented the acknowledgment of your regard can have little difficulty in overcoming it after this explanation.”_
_Mr. Darcy, who was leaning against the mantel-piece with his eyes fixed on her face, seemed to catch her words with no less resentment than surprise. His complexion became pale with anger, and the disturbance of his mind was visible in every feature. He was struggling for the appearance of composure, and would not open his lips till he believed himself to have attained it. The pause was to Elizabeth’s feelings dreadful. At length, in a voice of forced calmness, he said,-_
_“And this is all the reply which I am to have the honour of expecting! I might, perhaps, wish to be informed why, with so little endeavour at civility, I am thus rejected. But it is of small importance.”_
_“I might as well inquire,” replied she, “why, with so evident a design of offending and insulting me, you chose to tell me that you liked me against your will, against your reason, and even against your character? Was not this some excuse for incivility, if I was uncivil? But I have other provocations. You know I have. Had not my own feelings decided against you, had they been indifferent, or had they even been favourable, do you think that any consideration would tempt me to accept the man who has been the means of ruining, perhaps for ever, the happiness of a most beloved sister?”_
_As she pronounced these words, Mr. Darcy changed colour; but the emotion was short, and he listened without attempting to interrupt her while she continued,-_
_“I have every reason in the world to think ill of you. No motive can excuse the unjust and ungenerous part you acted there. You dare not, you cannot deny that you have been the principal, if not the only means of dividing them from each other, of exposing one to the censure of the world for caprice and instability, the other to its derision for disappointed hopes, and involving them both in misery of the acutest kind.”_
_She paused, and saw with no slight indignation that he was listening with an air which proved him wholly unmoved by any feeling of remorse. He even looked at her with a smile of affected incredulity._
_“Can you deny that you have done it?” she repeated._
_With assumed tranquillity he then replied, “I have no wish of denying that I did everything in my power to separate my friend from your sister, or that I rejoice in my success. Towards him I have been kinder than towards myself.”_
_Elizabeth disdained the appearance of noticing this civil reflection, but its meaning did not escape, nor was it likely to conciliate her._
_“But it is not merely this affair,” she continued, “on which my dislike is founded. Long before it had taken place, my opinion of you was decided. Your character was unfolded in the recital which I received many months ago from Mr. Wickham. On this subject, what can you have to say? In what imaginary act of friendship can you here defend yourself? or under what misrepresentation can you here impose upon others?”_
_“You take an eager interest in that gentleman’s concerns,” said Darcy, in a less tranquil tone, and with a heightened colour._
_“Who that knows what his misfortunes have been can help feeling an interest in him?”_
_“His misfortunes!” repeated Darcy, contemptuously,-“yes, his misfortunes have been great indeed.”_
_“And of your infliction,” cried Elizabeth, with energy; “You have reduced him to his present state of poverty-comparative poverty. You have withheld the advantages which you must know to have been designed for him. You have deprived the best years of his life of that independence which was no less his due than his desert. You have done all this! and yet you can treat the mention of his misfortunes with contempt and ridicule.”_
_“And this,” cried Darcy, as he walked with quick steps across the room, “is your opinion of me! This is the estimation in which you hold me! I thank you for explaining it so fully. My faults, according to this calculation, are heavy indeed! But, perhaps,” added he, stopping in his walk, and turning towards her, “these offences might have been overlooked, had not your pride been hurt by my honest confession of the scruples that had long prevented my forming any serious design. These bitter accusations might have been suppressed, had I, with greater policy, concealed my struggles, and flattered you into the belief of my being impelled by unqualified, unalloyed inclination; by reason, by reflection, by everything. But disguise of every sort is my abhorrence. Nor am I ashamed of the feelings I related. They were natural and just. Could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections?-to congratulate myself on the hope of relations whose condition in life is so decidedly beneath my own?”_
_Elizabeth felt herself growing more angry every moment; yet she tried to the utmost to speak with composure when she said,-_
_“You are mistaken, Mr. Darcy, if you suppose that the mode of your declaration affected me in any other way than as it spared me the concern which I might have felt in refusing you, had you behaved in a more gentlemanlike manner.”_
_She saw him start at this; but he said nothing, and she continued,-_
_“You could not have made me the offer of your hand in any possible way that would have tempted me to accept it.”_
_Again his astonishment was obvious; and he looked at her with an expression of mingled incredulity and mortification. She went on,-_
_“From the very beginning, from the first moment, I may almost say, of my acquaintance with you, your manners impressing me with the fullest belief of your arrogance, your conceit, and your selfish disdain of the feelings of others, were such as to form that groundwork of disapprobation, on which succeeding events have built so immovable a dislike; and I had not known you a month before I felt that you were the last man in the world whom I could ever be prevailed on to marry.”_
_“You have said quite enough, madam. I perfectly comprehend your feelings, and have now only to be ashamed of what my own have been. Forgive me for having taken up so much of your time, and accept my best wishes for your health and happiness.”_
_And with these words he hastily left the room, and Elizabeth heard him the next moment open the front door and quit the house. The tumult of her mind was now painfully great. She knew not how to support herself, and, from actual weakness, sat down and cried for half an hour.._
*_Pride & Prejudice, Chapter 34_*
1995 version is unbeatable!
The 1940 is pretty good, though the costumes were 100% wrong. The 2005 was super romantic! The 1961 and 1980 I thought fell a bit flat and the Dutch version at times seemed like a different novel. But in my opinion, the most accurate version, which conveys the intensity of the moment through the excellent script and acting, is 1995.
I totally agreeeeeee
IIRC, Adrian (the costume designer) hated Regency fashion and insisted on1830s or 1840s costume.
I think the 1940 takes place in the 30s and not the 10s. I’m guessing since the war was still going on, they wanted to be extravagant. If you look up 1830s fashion you would think, wow that’s extra.
1940-seems like theatrical but still good, maybe mr.darcy here is kinda soft but I love how he delivered that last line.Lizzie’s dress was beautiful.
1961- its pretty good actually.. great acting but they are too much close to each other while delivering the lines😅
1967-Very subtle but the intensity is there…love this.❤
1980-This is also close to the book. Great acting from both.. my second favorite version P&P.
1995- ohhh.. This is my favorite version. I feel mr.Darcy love and admiration but not losing the arrogance and pride.just amazing acting..
2005- hhmmmmm.. I love this so much when I first watch this.but now, it feels like the mr.Darcy here is too romantic 😅😅..well I understand though when you think who will be the audience on this era…
Only 2005 for me ❤
i find it interesting how initially, the versions tried to add additional lines or dialogue to make the scenes look like normal conversation. later on, they just kind of get to the point and focus just on the relevant dialogue needed to move the scene to the next one.
Thats very intuitive. There's a lot of words there in the book. And they flow fast into the listener's mind without time to digest them .....I feel that they become in a way simply emotional images that support the actors. Poetry in a way. Each line a little gem of word play.
Thank you for this compilation. This makes me want to chase down the 1980 version.
It’s my favorite version
My favorite one 😊
even the plot 2005 version is not as same as the book, but it show the best chemistry between Darcy and Lizy, they perfectly as my imaginary about darcy & lizy. well done Keira & Matthew ❤
Sem dúvida, a melhor de todas as interpretações foi a série BBC de 1995, com Colin Firth e Jennifer Ahle. Quem leu o livro e viu a série pode observar a grande semelhança entre elas. Os atores foram excelentes, não só os dois protagonistas como os demais
Very slick and professional looking way of handling the missing italian first proposal!
Thank you! It did feel like a glaring omission last time when this video was done. The Italian version deserved an honourable mention for such a key scene (even if it is unfortunately lost now). ☺
@@Love.and.Freindshipis it not on Rai Play? I wish not to spread misinformation but I have checked and all 5 episodes seem completely accessible to me
@@Katheryyyn_blossom The miniseries is not lost, but big chunks are known to be missing from episode three, where the first proposal would have happened. That is what we are discussing here.
@@hcu4359 Thanks for clarifying
The 1961 Dutch version is fire though 🔥 🔥🔥 Lizzy is a savage queen 😍
I adore 2005 version, but 1995 I love it so much!!!!
the 1967 Darcy has a peculiar appearance: his ears and hair exist in one dimension, his facial feature in another - and much smaller - one. He delivers his lines well, I'm just so shallow and governed by appearances that I find it difficult to ignore that parts of his head are several sizes too big for other parts. It makes him look like my mental image of 'Emma's Mr Elton.
Colin Firth é Mr Darcy, nenhum outro.
Love and Friendship, one of these days perhaps I will watch one of your uploads and pick a version other than 1995 as the best performance. But today is not that day. Thank you for all your many compilations. I truly enjoy watching them.
Wow! I didn't know the Dutch version. Ramses Shaffy was more famous as a singer. Very nice to see him as an excellent mr. Darcy.
Love Greer Garson but always felt she was in a Civil War era southern belle gown. The mincing steps when walking...
Do appreciate the explosion of emotion each gives.
1980 is my personal fav.
Apparently her dresses were in Gone With the Wind a few months before, and they didn't have the budget for any more new gowns for her.
@@jhoneyb
Thank you for the info.
The 1995 version of Pride and Prejudice starring , starting Mr Fitz Williams and Jennifer Ehle most certainly were the definitive versions that Jane Austen portrayed from the book,the acting was perfectly balanced and sticked exactly to the scenes in the book, perhaps because it was a series,a clearer chance for genuity was allowed.
The 2005 movie starring Kiara knightly as Elizabeth and Macfyden as Mr.Darcy was a much more dramatic and passionate rendition,although certain scenes were missing as a result of it being a movie it would have been difficult to capture the whole novel in an hour and a half more.However, the cinematography of nature made up for the change in landscape and missing scenes.For example:in the scenes of the fight/first engagement between Mr. Darcy and Ms.Bennet it should have taken place in Ms.Bennets living room, however in the movie it was during rain.Additonally, the early morning walk for the engagement during the sunrise,the chemistry,eye contact and subtle gestures from both actors,made the movie quite romantic.These are undoubtedly my 2 most favourites. In conclusion the 2005 version focused mostly on Elizabeth and Darcy the background and landscape using nature (rain) made the scene quite romantic and passionate. However the 1995 version balanced all the themes of social hierarchy, courting,gender roles, expectations of male and female in society,and of course amicable connection and romance.
I am stunned and amused at the Dutch '61 take on this scene. Lizzy gazes at Mr Darcy with what I'd personally describe as thinly veiled revulsion for 70% of the scene with the remaining 30% looking at him like he's a particularly imbecilic child. His language choices are what I'd say are slightly worse than the book, and overall I would say it's a particularly noteworthy directing decision. Other things I noted in the distinctions between variants: In the '67 version that Mr Darcy seemed more angry and Elizabeth actually cried. In 1980 the specific line "I have struggled greatly and endured great pain and I hope I will now be rewarded" as though there was something charitable or spiritual in Darcy's personal suffering (I am not certain what denomination of Christianity was historically expectable during the historical setting of the novel or held by the makers of that specific P&P incarnation but suffering = reward is an idea I’ve seen in Catholic narratives before). And sorry, I know that 1995 is the gold standard but the proposal in the rain of ’05 is so dramatic and romantic and my squishy little heart adores it.
Every major character in Austen appears to be at least nominally Anglican (rough equivalent to Episcopalian, if you are from the USA). Eucatastrophe (good surprise) coming after suffering is a widespread concept in 19th c. English literature, Anglican and otherwise, so I assume it was a normal idea in most Christian denominations in Britain for that period. Austen uses it in her own books, most obviously in Mansfield Park. Arguably, Darcy's not wrong to hope for a reward after suffering, he just doesn't know how much suffering he still needs to go through by way of purification 😂
People who know more about the foreign versions than me seem to feel that the Dutch version is blunter in general because that's how the culture and the language works - there just isn't room to pussy-foot around and use oblique language the way Regency language and manners require.
@@hcu4359 That's an interesting note. Reading the translated subtitles I definitely felt that Darcy's words were harsher - not just more blunt - and now I am considering watching the whole piece (if I can find it) to see how this cultural element changes the romantic and platonic dynamics I'm so familiar with.
@@hcu4359 I am not from the USA, fyi and I haven't read Mansfield Park but as the daughter of a vicar (do not fact check me on the specific title) I can easily see why subtle religious themes would come through Austen's work even when it's not supposed to be a huge focus for her.
@@rubystewart2361 sorry, the American fanbase has a rep for being kind of confused about religion in regency England, so I assumed where I shouldn't have. :(
Me encanta la calidad de tus videos, uff, tienes todos mis repetos.
1995 (at 24:04) My favorite for 29 years. -Kate
OH....that arrogant, change of tone when he adds "my own better judgement". It is a verbal slap.
Laurence Olivier was quite hilarious as Darcy! But Lewis Fiander was excellent.
la versión del año 67 me gusta bastante, ella es una buena Lizzy
22:18
The boom is in the upper right corner of the shot.
Só existe um Mr Darcy: Colin Firth
First proposal scene is the one area where I feel the old (surviving) versions, aiming for polite but intense, really uniformly excel over the newer versions. 1980 proposal i think is aiming for darcy subconsciously wanting to be turned down, but just falls flat (although Rintoul handles his exit line well). 1995 is realistic but painful, feels like watching a really nasty argument between one's parents. In 2005, they act like a couple of stupid teenagers instead of 20-yr-old and 28-yr-old in a culture where ppl grew up fast.
There is a difference between societal expectations and human psychology. After finding out a man has hurt your sister I doubt you would take it lying down.
@@beepbopboop7727 No, but if I had been brought up in a different culture, my upbringing might condition me to think that expressing that anger too openly was degrading to myself and my sister, and would only confirm the offender in his smug superiority. Why assume that being politely cutting to a man who would dismiss a more open show of anger as being vulgar and confirming his bad opinion is somehow "taking it lying down?"
1:39 You are too hasty, sir 😂
14:53 1967 version
The 1940 Elizabeth is almost spot on for how I imagined Caroline Bingley, or perhaps a young Lady Catherine de Bourgh. :D
Nella versione italiana il regista ha ritenuto che la scena piu' importante del libro - la prima proposta - su cui si basa tutta l'evoluzione delle vicende successive - fosse irrilevante e risolvibile con un cartello. Il film del 2005 si poteva anche non farlo proprio
La versione italiana filmava la proposta di Darcy, ma la registrazione di tutte le scene dall'arrivo di Darcy a Rosings fino alla lettera di Darcy è andata persa in seguito. Forse il nastro registrato è stato danneggiato dopo molti anni di conservazione. Quindi in seguito hanno aggiunto una spiegazione della scena in quella parte. (Google Traduttore)
@@Love.and.Freindship Thank you for explaining why we get no first proposal in the Italian version.
As a person that loves the book, I was very disappointed with the first proposal in the 2005 version. My favorite first proposal is the 1995.
The 2005 proposal is ridiculous! I agree!
1967 Darcy drives a TARDIS
Rosalind Pike should of played Elizabeth in the 2005 adaption as she is a far better actress than Keira Knightly and Knightly should of played Jane.1940 has the best dialogue in my opinion I wish people would stop whinging about the costumes It was 1940 ww2 and the film studio lacked the budget to spend on costumes for the intended period of the novel
You don’t even know her name; its RosaMUND not RosaLIND.
As wonderful as the actors were who they cast in the 1940 version, I can never get past the facts: They were too old for the parts and dressed incorrectly for the era covered in the book, However, making Lady Catherine a good person.... Good Lord!
Oh, but Edna Mae Oliver is such fun to watch!
1940 - мило, но актерский диапазон "Унесенных ветром"
1967 - очень нежная сцена, романтичная, не совсем отражает конфликт, проявившийся между Лиззи и Дарси
1980 - постановка хорошая, актриса сыграла прекрасно, но она такая нежная, похожа больше на Джейн. Актер играет грозного, бескомпромиссного Дарси, кажется что К.Ферт у него перенял свою манеру игры Фицуильяма.
1995 - актер замечательно играет, однако, как уже заметили, видно что он влюблен, но не теряет заносчивости, гордыни и снобизма, и это несколько отталкивает. Актриса тоже справилась со своей задачей. Сцена соответствует книге, но, как и все предыдущие, с точки зрения кинематографии очень слаба. Это можно списать на неумение режиссеров использовать различные формы выразительности которые предоставляет искусство кино.
2005 - превосходная, безупречная с художественной точки зрения сцена, и Мэтью Макфэдиен также умело показал гордость и высокомерие Дарси, но к нему не испытываешь отвращения. Он очень и очень притягательный. Все-таки Колин Ферт для более зрелой аудитории, для молодых он менее интересен. Сама сцена в дождь великолепна поставлена, было бы глупо снова снимать в комнате как в других экранизациях.
Yours is the best comment, or should I say review, on the P&P adaptations. I have to say I didn't quite get the 2005 version at first. I thought Mr Darcy ought to be a bit more taciturn than Matthew's portrayal, and I felt Keira was 'too nice'. But after watching it quite a few times, I feel as if it's the most appealing of all.
By the way, your Gone With the Wind remark is spot on!
Kiera Knightly cannot act. No young woman of that era would talk to anyone like a contemporary person, displaying anger so openly. She should have been more restrained. A flash of anger but not talking like a sassy teenager to her mother, snapping at Darcy who was still a stranger to her. Bad acting. She cannot act. Pretty face, but plays the same character in every movie.
What's the point of getting mad if you can't show it
She's not even a pretty face.. Well, maybe when she doesn't talk.
I think you have no idea what Victorians were getting up to.
@@beepbopboop7727 This was Regency Era. The Victorian Era began decades after the book was published.
It's the director's fault, not the actors'. This movie was directed to have the characters behaving like modern people.