Keep hardy man what we doing after kyrie ? kyries up in age and hardys been under his wing since then we got to think longterm we want a dynasty not just a run for 1
honestly its time to start believing on our backcourt aswell O-max is coming around, Maxi can be our third i just dont want to loose hardy man i dont want another jalen brunson situation
Kyrie is only 32 it’s not like he’s Steph Curry’s age 😞.. but I see Grimes being Kyrie’s replacement when the time comes If they keep Hardy and grimes Hardy could be Grimes backup. But who knows what the Mavs front office will do.
Kai has 4 good years in him at least. I actualy think he will age better than curry (relative to their prime not absolutly) because of his midrange ability, it makes loss of athleticism way less painful. Also, Grimes. Idk, Hardy just does not strike me as ever being a winning player.
I think this Mavs team healthy is easily a top contender with our only real lacking role in P.J's backups, we need to keep players like grimes and hardy, who can give us that push when we are stagnant like against boston in 2024 finals. We need to ship o-max and maxi, Powell, Gortman, Willams, edwards players that are young and have value to teams that are building. as well as picks and get a solid defender as a backup to P.J
Hardy has value right now, we know he’s not consistent yet but other teams are seeing an up and coming blue chip prospect on a team friendly deal. I think he could have a bright future on a bad young team. We do whatever we can to keep and then resign Grimes.
hardys value is not crazy high tho and hes on a cheap deal you might aswell keep him for the coming years plus he’s been 10+ pts to start off january i wouldnt mind if we dont sign anybody bench Kleber and have faith in OMax Jkidd is making the same mistake he did w jaden in that sense
@@angelv6239 Indeed! Hardy is good, but he isn't going to get many minutes behind Kyrie. He would be best suited on a team where he's heavily involved in the rotation
Since Luka and Kai are both injured, lots of players had more play time and played more important roles. Which makes them feel 'Oh, I probably should ask for a higher price.' Hardy, Grimes, who's next?
I think they are totally different function player. 1. Grimes is like COMBO GUARD, and he can learn from Kyrie, I think he has potential like Brunson. 2. Hardy is more like pure SHOOTING GUARD, and he can learn from Klay, because he is fully concentrated in shooting, but as ball handler not enough stable, as we know the truth is he didn’t have enough chance to handle the ball, in recent games you definitely can tell that he is good catch and shoot shooter, if he could improve his cut and defense, he definitely has potential to be a player that every team needs. 3. Comparing their function, I think Hardy is more like Klay, even they are in different position, and Grimes shows that he can perform well on both defense and offense, so if MAVS wants to trade, Hardy might be the asset for trading. 4. If there didn’t have suitable targets for trading and upgrading, just keep both of them. They both have high potential to become great players in the league.
@@guytawkes9991 I think that would not happen, Klay is not only for scoring, more important things is he can open space and how he does for every matches that will inspire MAVS players, even the Warriors tactic system inside his veins and bones that also can provide the changes to MAVS offense system. He is valuable to our team.
I'm not the one on the phones to have a full idea of his market value so I don't have a strong opinion on it. If his market value is currently high it might be a good time to sell, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him if the value is disappointing (Herb Jones is out indefinitely with a torn labrum so scratch that idea). I'd wait until Lukai are at least very close to returning and hope Hardy increases his value in the interim
. But nobody talks about Klay just out there for cardio. Why is he still starting? Grimes is better at everything and he's who we are gonna lose in the off season
Well, Klay is the 2nd highest plus /minus behind Luka. Just because you don't see him throw up 20 points a game his gravitas bends defences for others to thrive. In other words the Mavs are a plus when he's on the court.
@@Jorlaxehe could be the gravity needed off the bench tho. Kyrie and Luka are already in the starting line up demanding a ton of defensive attention. I can see Klay really helping the bench in that way
@@Velveteenvision The starting lineup needs more time together for now. We have seen some games like those GSW and Raptors games where everything clicks its great we have seen very little off them playing together so far anyway. Klay has become more consistent as he was having some horrible nights starting the season
Saying absolute criticism about a young player compared to another player which is leaping at 26 years old is absurd. Who can predict if Hardy becomes another big star, only him be able to say, if he works hard he can be anything in due time
Grimes choosing to opt out if his contract is a scary roll of dice if they choose to let go of Hardy with the Maxi trade. My first thought: As much as I’d like to keep Grimes and Hardy, Hardy is inconsistent (but also two yrs younger). So trade him along with Maxi. 2nd thought: Seeing how Grimes chose to opt out he MAY choose to leave the team anyway because a team is offering stardom contract that the mavs can’t match. So that would suck if the Mavs trade Hardy AND lose Grimes at the end of the season… Rough dilemma.
Hardy has good potential and has been balling lately so we shouldn't trade him We seriously need a backup 4 tho. Maxi plays good defense but he doesn't contribute much to the offense
It would be hard to trade Hardy regardless because he's a poison pill contract. So very unlikely he gets traded at the deadline. Earliest would be in the offseason.
That depends on if Kyrie chooses to opt in on his player option which I hope he does, then you have Grimes becoming a restricted free agent that can leave if he doesn’t get an extension which he definitely should get one. I like the idea as long as it won’t cut back minutes for both Gafford and PJ
We developed dfs then what happened they wanted a number one draft pick for undrafted free agent then look at Brunson I say stick wit him he remind me of what jj barea was in the championship year unless we can get herb or Portiis straight up for him hold what you got and play ball
@jlavigne1155 look at his hardy highlights, 2 of ten off catch and shoot. The rest are from plays he created. He's just been able to do more of it since luka and Kyrie are out
@@thebestofmasters Someone on one of the three pods I listen to mentioned he's been most effective on catch and shoot this season than any other shot he takes. That game was an exception. He often coughs up the ball on his drives
@@thebestofmasters are you just gonna watch highlights and not watch the games for yourself? You understand what the word Highlights means? Ridiculous to assume I don't watch games when you walk right into that
Interesting, the idea of trading a 22 y.o combo Guard leading the league in 3pt shooting. Develop Jaden n OMax, give these you guys some minutes. How can they grow into the players Kidd n Nico wants if they aren't allowed to play thru mistakes? Water your garden and have some patience.
Need a backup to pj and maxi is good perimeter d. Keep jaden and everyone else..this team will be flowing by late february. A nightmare for every team.
The difference is Curry, Holmes, and Williams are not young. Hardy is still very young and is on THE BEST team for him to learn. who better to learn from than Kyrie and Luka? If we trade him i feel like it will be a big mistake.
i could be wrong but i think mavs cant trade hardy until offseason since he signed a new deal. so i think they have to wait 6 months and that will be after deadline
Getting rid of Hardy right when he's stepping into his own sounds like an amateur move. Reminds me of Brunson. If the mavericks knew how good he would become, they would have kept him. Not comparing the two but it's like we would be gambling away a homegrown talent still peaking. Do we need an upgrade at the power forward? Yes. Do we have pieces and picks that don't involve Hardy? Yes. KLEBER, EXUM, and a 2nd round pick for a back up. Or even a 1st round pick if the player is that valuable. But I don't think there is a player at that position worth that price.
If Luka and Kyrie left the mavs tomorrow the team would be in good hands going forward. I’d trade, Morris, DP, and maxi and keep the rest. We have a couple talented players in their early 20’s that can help us plant a solid foundation for the next decade
Jaden can’t be a true PG his position needs to only be SG and coming off the bench for change of pace and designed plays for him until he shows he can start. I say all of that bc he needs to stay with the mavericks to be that for us and continue to excel in his shooting and moves to the basket. MFFL
Hardy is the only offense we have coming in off the bench. That’s his job and he’s damn good at it. Honestly, I’d rather get rid of Klay Thompson. He’s massively overpaid for what he provides.
Hardy + Kleber for Hachimura. win win situations for lakers and dallas. we need PF they need another young guard cuz DLO is gone. Another is they need a pure scorer like hardy in crucial moments. Davis DFS James Hardy Reaves would be interesting for the lakers. in mavs for now Dlive /Gaff PJ /Hachimura Thompson / Marshall Grimes Dinwiddie in hardy part it will be good for him to unleash his full potential.
Yea makes sense to trade a young athletic ball handler PG when you got 2 injured and one old as hell… come on people trading Hardy would be worst mistake ever. lol
jaden hardy should not go. he is young, and he is developing. if anything, get rid of the garbage time bigs. get rid of powell and kleber. jaden hardy is a great young talent that we should hang on to, let him grow, let him continue to develop chemistry. then jaden hardy will continue to become a fan favorite for the mavs. invest in talent, pray grimes comes back, try and go all the way
@@nelAjamZ old? you say that 32 is old? 32 is supposed to be in the middle of your physical prime. he has veteran leadership, a bag bigger than 99% of the league, and he can shoot. do i stick with kyrie over grimes or hardy? why cant we just keep them all? they all work, why not just keep them all? if anything, package powell and kleber and a pick together and send them off packing
Would anyone trade Gafford Kleeber Hardy and a #1 draft pick for Zion? I would because I’d still have Exum Dinwiddie and Grimes off the bench? If they didn’t want Hardy and insisted on Grimes I’d say ok. New Orleans would probably want PJ so they could let BI walk Lol.
Thank God Nico is the GM
Right in nico, we trust ❗️
Jaden hardy is still fairly young. And he’s getting better. Has great chemistry w the team. Trade maxi and Powell keep Jaden hardy.
Agreed he can be kyrie back up then step up eventually
exum can go too
@@kingnasirthesecondThat's not a good idea. He's a dependable guard, low turnovers
If you trade Maxi and Powell then you trade one problem for another. Gotta stay big. Trade big for big
Trade him so Maxi can be moved without sacrificing a pick.
Keep hardy man what we doing after kyrie ? kyries up in age and hardys been under his wing since then we got to think longterm we want a dynasty not just a run for 1
honestly its time to start believing on our backcourt aswell O-max is coming around, Maxi can be our third i just dont want to loose hardy man i dont want another jalen brunson situation
Grimes
Kyrie is only 32 it’s not like he’s Steph Curry’s age 😞.. but I see Grimes being Kyrie’s replacement when the time comes
If they keep Hardy and grimes Hardy could be Grimes backup. But who knows what the Mavs front office will do.
I agree don't overlook hardy for the long run after KY time
Kai has 4 good years in him at least. I actualy think he will age better than curry (relative to their prime not absolutly) because of his midrange ability, it makes loss of athleticism way less painful.
Also, Grimes. Idk, Hardy just does not strike me as ever being a winning player.
I feel like a trade like Hardy for some undervalued player who doesn’t cost a lot in order to be able to pay QG in the summer might be brewing
I think this Mavs team healthy is easily a top contender with our only real lacking role in P.J's backups, we need to keep players like grimes and hardy, who can give us that push when we are stagnant like against boston in 2024 finals. We need to ship o-max and maxi, Powell, Gortman, Willams, edwards players that are young and have value to teams that are building. as well as picks and get a solid defender as a backup to P.J
Replacing bigs with non bigs is trading one problem for another
This is what I was thinking about all day what to do with Jaden Hardy
Jaden hardy still has to go I think he’s trade value is high we need perimeter defense if we can’t get that then we keep him
If the right trade comes along, we should not even blink and make Hardy available. Specially for an upgrade in the 4 position behind PJ.
Hardy has value right now, we know he’s not consistent yet but other teams are seeing an up and coming blue chip prospect on a team friendly deal. I think he could have a bright future on a bad young team. We do whatever we can to keep and then resign Grimes.
@@iamchaunceman I’m saying I want to see hardy shine but he won’t have a chance on mavs fully healthy I want a back 4 in return
hardys value is not crazy high tho and hes on a cheap deal you might aswell keep him for the coming years plus he’s been 10+ pts to start off january i wouldnt mind if we dont sign anybody bench Kleber and have faith in OMax Jkidd is making the same mistake he did w jaden in that sense
@@angelv6239 Indeed! Hardy is good, but he isn't going to get many minutes behind Kyrie. He would be best suited on a team where he's heavily involved in the rotation
Priority is keeping Grimes -- he can defend.
I agree I’d hate to let go of either but if one has to go with Maxi, Hardy it is.
Hardy hasn’t shown enough consistency at this moment. I’ll keep Grime’s over Hardy because Grime’s play defense. This season Maxi can go.
Keep both trade klay and maxi
Since Luka and Kai are both injured, lots of players had more play time and played more important roles. Which makes them feel 'Oh, I probably should ask for a higher price.' Hardy, Grimes, who's next?
"Historic 2 game winning streak" does not sound good! 😅
It changes EVERYTHING
@@MavericksDigest"It's happening..."
It feels historic after a 5 game losing streak 😭
I think they are totally different function player.
1. Grimes is like COMBO GUARD, and he can learn from Kyrie, I think he has potential like Brunson.
2. Hardy is more like pure SHOOTING GUARD, and he can learn from Klay, because he is fully concentrated in shooting, but as ball handler not enough stable, as we know the truth is he didn’t have enough chance to handle the ball, in recent games you definitely can tell that he is good catch and shoot shooter, if he could improve his cut and defense, he definitely has potential to be a player that every team needs.
3. Comparing their function, I think Hardy is more like Klay, even they are in different position, and Grimes shows that he can perform well on both defense and offense, so if MAVS wants to trade, Hardy might be the asset for trading.
4. If there didn’t have suitable targets for trading and upgrading, just keep both of them. They both have high potential to become great players in the league.
Trade klay
@@guytawkes9991 I think that would not happen, Klay is not only for scoring, more important things is he can open space and how he does for every matches that will inspire MAVS players, even the Warriors tactic system inside his veins and bones that also can provide the changes to MAVS offense system. He is valuable to our team.
We keep him we are already invested in him. His value isn’t as his as you’d think. The league is full of his type of players right now.
Please mavs don’t trade another Brunson. You need to invest into Hardy’s development!
J KIDD has to understand Jaden hardy is a microwave pure bucket SG stop trying to have him be a PG
In fairness, he always plays hardy with an actual PG
I'm not the one on the phones to have a full idea of his market value so I don't have a strong opinion on it. If his market value is currently high it might be a good time to sell, but I wouldn't trade him just to trade him if the value is disappointing (Herb Jones is out indefinitely with a torn labrum so scratch that idea). I'd wait until Lukai are at least very close to returning and hope Hardy increases his value in the interim
. But nobody talks about Klay just out there for cardio. Why is he still starting? Grimes is better at everything and he's who we are gonna lose in the off season
Well, Klay is the 2nd highest plus /minus behind Luka. Just because you don't see him throw up 20 points a game his gravitas bends defences for others to thrive. In other words the Mavs are a plus when he's on the court.
@@Jorlaxehe could be the gravity needed off the bench tho. Kyrie and Luka are already in the starting line up demanding a ton of defensive attention. I can see Klay really helping the bench in that way
@@Velveteenvision The starting lineup needs more time together for now. We have seen some games like those GSW and Raptors games where everything clicks its great we have seen very little off them playing together so far anyway.
Klay has become more consistent as he was having some horrible nights starting the season
@@Velveteenvision I agree. He helps the bench players more than the others. It still gives Luka and Kyrie a bit more freedom when He's out there.
One thing that pisses me off is when Klay gets hot and is shooting great, they stop passing him the ball.
Just my opinion, I don't want Grimes to go!
Saying absolute criticism about a young player compared to another player which is leaping at 26 years old is absurd. Who can predict if Hardy becomes another big star, only him be able to say, if he works hard he can be anything in due time
I like Hardy as a pure shooter and not ball handler and definitely not to drive to the rim
Grimes choosing to opt out if his contract is a scary roll of dice if they choose to let go of Hardy with the Maxi trade.
My first thought: As much as I’d like to keep Grimes and Hardy, Hardy is inconsistent (but also two yrs younger). So trade him along with Maxi.
2nd thought: Seeing how Grimes chose to opt out he MAY choose to leave the team anyway because a team is offering stardom contract that the mavs can’t match. So that would suck if the Mavs trade Hardy AND lose Grimes at the end of the season… Rough dilemma.
Hardy has good potential and has been balling lately so we shouldn't trade him
We seriously need a backup 4 tho. Maxi plays good defense but he doesn't contribute much to the offense
Has anyone else been seeing a ton of videos slamming luka?
It would be hard to trade Hardy regardless because he's a poison pill contract. So very unlikely he gets traded at the deadline. Earliest would be in the offseason.
Non hardy related but we should have kept gaff resting this game lively had it
We can trade Jaden this year because he was recently signed.
I think we should go after Myles Turner, but we'll have to clear cap space in order to re-sign him and Kyrie.
That depends on if Kyrie chooses to opt in on his player option which I hope he does, then you have Grimes becoming a restricted free agent that can leave if he doesn’t get an extension which he definitely should get one. I like the idea as long as it won’t cut back minutes for both Gafford and PJ
Keep grimes trade hardy
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We developed dfs then what happened they wanted a number one draft pick for undrafted free agent then look at Brunson I say stick wit him he remind me of what jj barea was in the championship year unless we can get herb or Portiis straight up for him hold what you got and play ball
the only way hardy will stay good is if he has a sustained role on the team otherwise he will not grow
This is selfish and hard but how I wish we win at least 1 game against the Denver at home from coming back to back. Or else 2 game if possible 🙏🙏
Sell him while hes high, seems like a mini brunson not a high celing but could make 14 points if you ask him to
Bye maxi and Powell. Hardy is a beast
Hardy, is a good player when he's not in an offense that is built around Lukai
@@thebestofmasters I don't know about that. He's most effective at catch and shoot
@jlavigne1155 look at his hardy highlights, 2 of ten off catch and shoot. The rest are from plays he created. He's just been able to do more of it since luka and Kyrie are out
@@thebestofmasters Someone on one of the three pods I listen to mentioned he's been most effective on catch and shoot this season than any other shot he takes. That game was an exception. He often coughs up the ball on his drives
@@jlavigne1155 you just gonna listen and not watch anything for yourself? Literally just watch his highlights and you'll see
@@thebestofmasters are you just gonna watch highlights and not watch the games for yourself? You understand what the word Highlights means? Ridiculous to assume I don't watch games when you walk right into that
In reality you need to get rid of cojan kid. He's not doing what we think he should do. That's the problem.
I trust Nico so i am not worried about his trading skills. He is not Donnie Nelson . So trust the process .
Donnie Nelson saw Dirk Nowitzki while scouting in Europe and fall in love with him… we all know end, so let’s all put a bit respect on Nelli ✊🤘🏻☝
@ he sure did and he also did not do crap for that very same player after 2011.
Interesting, the idea of trading a 22 y.o combo Guard leading the league in 3pt shooting. Develop Jaden n OMax, give these you guys some minutes. How can they grow into the players Kidd n Nico wants if they aren't allowed to play thru mistakes? Water your garden and have some patience.
I agree. But it’s up to Jason Kidd if he’s even going to play him if the team is fully healthy
@MavericksDigest lol, yeah, you mentioned that twice, and I agree. Enjoying the content, keep doing your thing.
Trade him he’s no Brunson….
@mavericks digest ...what about a trade for SIMONE FONTECHIO.....very god backup fit for PJ ...
8miilion a year,.very posible trade with nothing big to give at exchange
Better to keep him. Maxi needs to be traded instead.
What if a team wants jaden hardy if they're going to also take Maxi? Do you package jaden hardy with maxi?
@@MavericksDigestI'm doing that bruh cuz there's a player that much better and Mavs needed to beat larger teams.
Hardy is the sweetener so that a team will take Maxi. Maxi alone isn’t enticing to anyone.
Need a backup to pj and maxi is good perimeter d. Keep jaden and everyone else..this team will be flowing by late february. A nightmare for every team.
The difference is Curry, Holmes, and Williams are not young. Hardy is still very young and is on THE BEST team for him to learn. who better to learn from than Kyrie and Luka? If we trade him i feel like it will be a big mistake.
trade powell.
i could be wrong but i think mavs cant trade hardy until offseason since he signed a new deal. so i think they have to wait 6 months and that will be after deadline
Keep him! His contract is a great value
Getting rid of Hardy right when he's stepping into his own sounds like an amateur move. Reminds me of Brunson. If the mavericks knew how good he would become, they would have kept him. Not comparing the two but it's like we would be gambling away a homegrown talent still peaking.
Do we need an upgrade at the power forward? Yes. Do we have pieces and picks that don't involve Hardy? Yes. KLEBER, EXUM, and a 2nd round pick for a back up. Or even a 1st round pick if the player is that valuable. But I don't think there is a player at that position worth that price.
Trade him. He’s a bum
If Luka and Kyrie left the mavs tomorrow the team would be in good hands going forward. I’d trade, Morris, DP, and maxi and keep the rest. We have a couple talented players in their early 20’s that can help us plant a solid foundation for the next decade
Feels like Jaden played better than Klay so far when given the opportunity
Jaden can’t be a true PG his position needs to only be SG and coming off the bench for change of pace and designed plays for him until he shows he can start. I say all of that bc he needs to stay with the mavericks to be that for us and continue to excel in his shooting and moves to the basket. MFFL
Hardy is the only offense we have coming in off the bench. That’s his job and he’s damn good at it. Honestly, I’d rather get rid of Klay Thompson. He’s massively overpaid for what he provides.
Although if the impetus behind trading Hardy is so we can keep Quentin Grimes long-term, I am 💯 behind that!
@@gp2917 Hardy the only offense coming off the bench? I guess you haven’t see Grimes.
hardy Maxi and 1st for herb jones
bring up Omax mins for maxi, hes been playing great
Hardy is still needed by Dallas. Don't make the same mistake you made with Bronson.
Hardy + Kleber for Hachimura. win win situations for lakers and dallas.
we need PF they need another young guard cuz DLO is gone. Another is they need a pure scorer like hardy in crucial moments.
Davis
DFS
James
Hardy
Reaves
would be interesting for the lakers.
in mavs for now
Dlive /Gaff
PJ /Hachimura
Thompson / Marshall
Grimes
Dinwiddie
in hardy part it will be good for him to unleash his full potential.
Yea makes sense to trade a young athletic ball handler PG when you got 2 injured and one old as hell… come on people trading Hardy would be worst mistake ever. lol
Hardy is Cam Thomas2.0
Kylie getting old, we need a successor.
Waive hardy! Sign Dennis Smith Jr.! Give playtime to gortman
Dennis Smith Jr have no range.
Trade klay. Keep hardy and grimes
Traden Hardy
jaden hardy should not go. he is young, and he is developing. if anything, get rid of the garbage time bigs. get rid of powell and kleber. jaden hardy is a great young talent that we should hang on to, let him grow, let him continue to develop chemistry. then jaden hardy will continue to become a fan favorite for the mavs. invest in talent, pray grimes comes back, try and go all the way
I will trade Kyrie Irving and stick with Hardy.
@@nelAjamZ what... are you joking... why? are you still mad about the playoffs last year?
@@Lander-bo2rq He is old... So u stick with Kyrie over Hardy or Grimes?
@@nelAjamZ old? you say that 32 is old? 32 is supposed to be in the middle of your physical prime. he has veteran leadership, a bag bigger than 99% of the league, and he can shoot. do i stick with kyrie over grimes or hardy? why cant we just keep them all? they all work, why not just keep them all? if anything, package powell and kleber and a pick together and send them off packing
KEEP HARDY GRIMES MARSHAL TRADE MAXI & DANTE
Keep hardy do not trade him
Would anyone trade Gafford Kleeber Hardy and a #1 draft pick for Zion? I would because I’d still have Exum Dinwiddie and Grimes off the bench? If they didn’t want Hardy and insisted on Grimes I’d say ok. New Orleans would probably want PJ so they could let BI walk Lol.
If hardy get traded I think I'll stop watching the Mavs for good .
kleber and 2nd round draft pick for lauri markannen
nobody is taking that deal😭😭😭😭
Trade him