Have you built a pedal from a kit before? This was pretty simple and a lot of fun! Thanks to Jim Hagerman for sending this out for me to check out. Stay tuned for a Klon-style shootout video in the near future, which will include this one!
I was a little skeptical about how this little diy pedal would sound but I really dig the tones!!! It’s a great standalone overdrive pedal! I might have to try it out! Thanks Shane!!!🎸🎸🎸🎸😎😎😎😎
Hi Shane. The toothed washer should be on the underside of the housing on the footswitch shaft so it can dig into the metal and create a good ground😅 . Best regards. John.
Sounds great! But the lock washer was supposed to go on the foot switch before inserting it into the enclosure. Only three plastic washer and nut should be on the outside.
Shane, you need to sand for the case to make clear contact with that springy piece near the footswitch. Not a killer difference, but that's the way to ground it correctly.
I remember way back in year 11 electrical studies. I had to scratch build an intercom system. I messed up etching the circuit board twice, 50% of my solders were dodgy and it only ever worked once, briefly after six months of fumbling through it.
When I did electronics in year 11, me and a mate decided we were making practice amps... We spent about 6 months doing "research", which mostly involved looking at gear online. 😂 By the time it came to making the thing we had no idea what we were doing... My mate took the insides out of one of those battery powered Marshall amps, and mounted them in a wooden box that he painted in Union Jack colours, with the innovation of a cup holder and ashtray in the top. I made a box out of MDF, tacked some speaker cloth on the front and glued a couple of plastic knobs to the panel. I then filled the box with bits of wire and loose electrical odds and sods, nailed it shut, painted the whole thing purple with orange flames on the side and handed it in. Needless to say we both failed that subject. At least my mate's amp worked. 😂
Pedal building from kits is a lot of fun. It's addictive really. Just be sure to have a fan running to blow the solder smoke away from you. Don't inhale the smoke.
I would have loved to hear how the pedal itself sounds without amp overdrive. Like play it through a totally clean amp with *lots* of clean headroom, then turn that puppy on and let's hear what it sounds like. As it is, the pedal sound is mixed with the overdriven amp sound so we don't really know what the pedal itself sounds like.
It's not a pedal demo, so I'll get around to that. Klon pedals aren't great for clean amps, you want them on the edge of breakup or already dirty, they work better in that sort of situation.
@@intheblues Klons are great on a clean amp too Shane. That's how i run mine mostly all the time. If an overdrive pedal doesn't sound good on a clean amp then it's simply not a good pedal.
Nice demo Shane. That was an amazing sounding rigg. You might found the holy grail now Shane. 👍 Edit: Watched some of your old vid, it's remarkable how much better you become and how much better you sound.
I missed which amp you played it through and also was there any mention of tube swapping (ie 12AX7 or 12AT7 and/or 12AY7 (?)) Loved the tones you was gettin' BTW ...and lastly, was there any issue with heat from the tube's heater? Thanx and Cheerios (but not the cereal)
Shane do the two bits of foam you put under the valve start melting after prolonged use ? Wouldn’t want a smelly fire hazard on my pedal board. Does he do any other colour options besides orange? I would want bigger control knobs for that money. My JHS NOTAKLON came with a similar tool.
Not sure I see the point in getting it in kit form if the electronics are already done for you... Surely the whole point of a pedal kit is to learn the ins and outs of them so you can do your own mods and repairs, or eventually even design and build your own pedals?
Side subject Shane, the Peavey Classic 30 amp....any comments from you mate? Love the sound track to this video. 👽. Thx for all your labour of love over the years. ❤
They are decent amps. I don't think they are anything amazing though. They don't have enough oomph for me in the context of a band mix. They sound pretty good though. The DeltaBlues is a lot better.
@@intheblues Thx Shane I always follow your professional and accurate advice. How's Doc going? Haven't heard from him in a while. Again, thx a mill for your reply. ❤️👌❤️
It's not worth $400 , especially with those cheap parts. They want you to build the pieces together it should be like $250 max and they still make tons of money per unit.
I guess I don't understand the point? If your not really building the pedal, but just putting the components in a housing? Still seems kinda expensive. Wonder how many pedals you could build with $400 worth of parts?
250$ for a DIY kit?! (Not to mention + shipping, taxes and duty fees depending on where you live) Shane i think you released this videos way too early mate, it would've made for sense on april 1.
Thanks for the review. It looked like a lot of fun until I saw the price. Leaves me wondering how much it would cost if it came pre-assembled! It does sound great though.
Actually, that's a very good idea, thank you. I am adding an assembled variant (same price). Why? Well, because I have to fully build each pedal circuit board, mount into case, solder so that everything fits perfectly, then take it apart to form the kit. So same amount of work.
As far as price, keep in mind this is essentially a fully assembled and tested tube pedal (taken apart to form a kit). How many tube pedals are on the market for this price? How much does a decent KLONE (Wampler, J Rocket, Warm Audio) cost? How much more if they figured out how to add a tube and make it work? Well, they haven't. You can't buy this anywhere else. It's a one-of-a-kind design. That alone justifies a price much higher than what I am charging...
@@hagerman_amplification thanks for responding. Everything you’ve said completely makes sense. It’s tested before you send it out, and it’s tube! I didn’t really take that into consideration. Of course it costs more than a normal pedal. I guess I’m just used to pedal kits being more budget friendly. I’d probably opt for the pre-assembled version, as I’d be less likely to damage it. It really does sound great, and it’s an interesting concept. Keep up the good work, and I’ll be sure to keep an eye on your website for future products.
@@inthebluesnah you looked like a pro, made me feel like I needed to buy one lol... and yes, vacuum tubes aren't the same as halogen bulbs so you can fondle the tube without gloves as much as you want
That looks like about $30 worth of parts plus $18 for the tube/valve ECC82. Or you could upload a gerber file and get someone else to print a board and fill it for about 8 bucks each, 5 minimum, but get 50 give them out as presents for the same price as one "kit". X-ray and test included.
For those concerned about the size of the knobs, I wonder if a guitar volume knob would fit onto the black control knobs? Or, you definitely could use a Barefoot Button, which come in different sizes, but you’d want to be very careful to not over-tighten the set screws when installing them. Personally, I like the small knobs, as I don’t perform on stage, and am less likely to knock them out of tune this way.
I think tge description of the solid state pedal isn't entirely accurate. The opamps don't clip, it's the diodes that cause the clipping and distortion. A clipping opamp would sound absolutely horrible.
@@hagerman_amplification Sounds very good over my headphones. My understanding of vacuum tubes is they normally operate at over 300V. You can run some tubes at 100V but I havent heard of a triode tube that size operating at 15V. I suspect that there is voltage amplifier or transformer somewhere in the circuit that steps the up to at least 100V - probably 300V. Note: I just found this quote from Haberman himself on how he generates 200+ volts on the tube plates. (You may find it interesting - cheers) ---------- A response from Jim Hagerman: Yes, the 6.3V is provided by dropping power through a 9.1 ohm resistor. At 300mA this works out just right. It also (very importantly) provides a soft-startup condition for the heater, which at room temperatures is much lower resistance than hot. The result is that it greatly improves tube life. As for plate voltages, I employ an inductive switching boost converter to generate the ~200V necessary to properly operate a preamp tube. Only losers run tubes with staved plates! Trust me, the reason my pedals sound so good is because they operate correctly, with all gain coming from the tubes themselves.
Those knobs are awful..like trim pots ..... Be interesting to see the voltages on the tube, see if its really doing anything or just there for shiggles like most other tube pedals.
You need gloves not for your skin but for the valve. Finger moisture can damage the valve if it runs very hot a d the won't last as long. Not a problem on audio amp circuits.
Have you built a pedal from a kit before? This was pretty simple and a lot of fun! Thanks to Jim Hagerman for sending this out for me to check out. Stay tuned for a Klon-style shootout video in the near future, which will include this one!
...and the EHX Soul Food?
havnt built a pedal but iv built a fender 57 deluxe clone
@@jonnybeck6723 That died the first time I dropped it.
I was a little skeptical about how this little diy pedal would sound but I really dig the tones!!! It’s a great standalone overdrive pedal! I might have to try it out! Thanks Shane!!!🎸🎸🎸🎸😎😎😎😎
I used to work for Mullard in the UK and my mother worked on the tube production line back in the 60’s
You do know Mullard is now made in Russia at the Reflektor factory. Not the same tubes at all.
@@GCKelloch I had no idea. Shame.
This is super cool. I have a Notaklon on order but maybe I will get one of these and do a shootout video or something! Good stuff, Shane!
Hi Shane. The toothed washer should be on the underside of the housing on the footswitch shaft so it can dig into the metal and create a good ground😅 . Best regards. John.
Sounds great! But the lock washer was supposed to go on the foot switch before inserting it into the enclosure. Only three plastic washer and nut should be on the outside.
Shane, you need to sand for the case to make clear contact with that springy piece near the footswitch. Not a killer difference, but that's the way to ground it correctly.
Nice box mate!
Sounds really great and looked like good fun to put together 👍
Fun little video, Shane.
I may be wrong, but I think that metal washer goes on the inside and the plastic washer and nut on the outside, just like a control pot for a guitar.
I remember way back in year 11 electrical studies. I had to scratch build an intercom system. I messed up etching the circuit board twice, 50% of my solders were dodgy and it only ever worked once, briefly after six months of fumbling through it.
When I did electronics in year 11, me and a mate decided we were making practice amps... We spent about 6 months doing "research", which mostly involved looking at gear online. 😂
By the time it came to making the thing we had no idea what we were doing... My mate took the insides out of one of those battery powered Marshall amps, and mounted them in a wooden box that he painted in Union Jack colours, with the innovation of a cup holder and ashtray in the top.
I made a box out of MDF, tacked some speaker cloth on the front and glued a couple of plastic knobs to the panel. I then filled the box with bits of wire and loose electrical odds and sods, nailed it shut, painted the whole thing purple with orange flames on the side and handed it in.
Needless to say we both failed that subject. At least my mate's amp worked. 😂
Very cool and sounded great!
Pedal building from kits is a lot of fun. It's addictive really. Just be sure to have a fan running to blow the solder smoke away from you. Don't inhale the smoke.
The smoke is the best part, it smells amazing and as you can see iM cOmpLeTeLy FiNe
NOW he tells me!
@@diogomartins0 🤪
A whiff of solder fumes won't hurt you... 🙄
6:16 Wrong. That star washer in your left hand needed to go on the footswitch before putting the board in the enclosre.
Fixed, thanks man!
I would have loved to hear how the pedal itself sounds without amp overdrive. Like play it through a totally clean amp with *lots* of clean headroom, then turn that puppy on and let's hear what it sounds like. As it is, the pedal sound is mixed with the overdriven amp sound so we don't really know what the pedal itself sounds like.
It's not a pedal demo, so I'll get around to that. Klon pedals aren't great for clean amps, you want them on the edge of breakup or already dirty, they work better in that sort of situation.
@@intheblues Klons are great on a clean amp too Shane. That's how i run mine mostly all the time. If an overdrive pedal doesn't sound good on a clean amp then it's simply not a good pedal.
Bob the builder Shane!!!!
Happy Easter Shane 😀
The Not-a-Notaklon?
Nice demo Shane.
That was an amazing sounding rigg.
You might found the holy grail now Shane. 👍
Edit: Watched some of your old vid, it's remarkable how much better you become and how much better you sound.
Thanks for the kind words! :)
I missed which amp you played it through and also
was there any mention of tube swapping (ie 12AX7 or 12AT7 and/or 12AY7 (?))
Loved the tones you was gettin' BTW ...and lastly, was there any issue with heat from the tube's heater?
Thanx and Cheerios (but not the cereal)
Shane do the two bits of foam you put under the valve start melting after prolonged use ?
Wouldn’t want a smelly fire hazard on my pedal board.
Does he do any other colour options besides orange?
I would want bigger control knobs for that money.
My JHS NOTAKLON came with a similar tool.
The foam tape is designed for BBQ grills.
The knobs are very small for this size pedal. Even though it has a real tube inside it's reminiscent of the Notaklon JHS pedal kit
This design was inspired by the NOTAKLON concept, which I thought was genius.
The fact that it uses a tube or "valve" interests me. Will it make a solid state amp sound like a tube amp?
Not sure I see the point in getting it in kit form if the electronics are already done for you... Surely the whole point of a pedal kit is to learn the ins and outs of them so you can do your own mods and repairs, or eventually even design and build your own pedals?
Side subject Shane, the Peavey Classic 30 amp....any comments from you mate? Love the sound track to this video. 👽.
Thx for all your labour of love over the years. ❤
They are decent amps. I don't think they are anything amazing though. They don't have enough oomph for me in the context of a band mix. They sound pretty good though. The DeltaBlues is a lot better.
@@intheblues Thx Shane I always follow your professional and accurate advice. How's Doc going? Haven't heard from him in a while. Again, thx a mill for your reply. ❤️👌❤️
Isn't the green rectangle a tool? For the pots and switches?😊
Lol...I figured I would see an explanation..lol
Yes it is.
Its based dirk Hendrik RN tubedrive?
It's not worth $400 , especially with those cheap parts. They want you to build the pieces together it should be like $250 max and they still make tons of money per unit.
I guess I don't understand the point? If your not really building the pedal, but just putting the components in a housing? Still seems kinda expensive. Wonder how many pedals you could build with $400 worth of parts?
250$ for a DIY kit?! (Not to mention + shipping, taxes and duty fees depending on where you live) Shane i think you released this videos way too early mate, it would've made for sense on april 1.
Nice
Thanks for the review. It looked like a lot of fun until I saw the price. Leaves me wondering how much it would cost if it came pre-assembled! It does sound great though.
Actually, that's a very good idea, thank you. I am adding an assembled variant (same price). Why? Well, because I have to fully build each pedal circuit board, mount into case, solder so that everything fits perfectly, then take it apart to form the kit. So same amount of work.
As far as price, keep in mind this is essentially a fully assembled and tested tube pedal (taken apart to form a kit). How many tube pedals are on the market for this price? How much does a decent KLONE (Wampler, J Rocket, Warm Audio) cost? How much more if they figured out how to add a tube and make it work? Well, they haven't. You can't buy this anywhere else. It's a one-of-a-kind design. That alone justifies a price much higher than what I am charging...
@@hagerman_amplification thanks for responding. Everything you’ve said completely makes sense. It’s tested before you send it out, and it’s tube! I didn’t really take that into consideration. Of course it costs more than a normal pedal. I guess I’m just used to pedal kits being more budget friendly. I’d probably opt for the pre-assembled version, as I’d be less likely to damage it. It really does sound great, and it’s an interesting concept. Keep up the good work, and I’ll be sure to keep an eye on your website for future products.
JHS Not-a-Klon with a tube?
stepping drill would have been quicker lol nice work mate!
Thanks mate! It's probably cringy watching a noob like me do this stuff as a pro! haha. 🤣
@@inthebluesnah you looked like a pro, made me feel like I needed to buy one lol... and yes, vacuum tubes aren't the same as halogen bulbs so you can fondle the tube without gloves as much as you want
That looks like about $30 worth of parts plus $18 for the tube/valve ECC82. Or you could upload a gerber file and get someone else to print a board and fill it for about 8 bucks each, 5 minimum, but get 50 give them out as presents for the same price as one "kit". X-ray and test included.
For those concerned about the size of the knobs, I wonder if a guitar volume knob would fit onto the black control knobs? Or, you definitely could use a Barefoot Button, which come in different sizes, but you’d want to be very careful to not over-tighten the set screws when installing them. Personally, I like the small knobs, as I don’t perform on stage, and am less likely to knock them out of tune this way.
I think tge description of the solid state pedal isn't entirely accurate. The opamps don't clip, it's the diodes that cause the clipping and distortion.
A clipping opamp would sound absolutely horrible.
The opamp clips hard once you get past noon on a KLON circuit. Sooooooo easy to measure...
I wonder what voltage the Triode is operating at?
Tube is operating at 15V. Don't worry about how it works, listen to how it sounds...
@@hagerman_amplification
Sounds very good over my headphones.
My understanding of vacuum tubes is they normally operate at over 300V.
You can run some tubes at 100V but I havent heard of a triode tube that size operating at 15V.
I suspect that there is voltage amplifier or transformer somewhere in the circuit that steps the up to at least 100V - probably 300V.
Note: I just found this quote from Haberman himself on how he generates 200+ volts on the tube plates. (You may find it interesting - cheers)
----------
A response from Jim Hagerman:
Yes, the 6.3V is provided by dropping power through a 9.1 ohm resistor.
At 300mA this works out just right. It also (very importantly) provides
a soft-startup condition for the heater, which at room temperatures is
much lower resistance than hot. The result is that it greatly improves tube life.
As for plate voltages, I employ an inductive switching boost converter
to generate the ~200V necessary to properly operate a preamp tube. Only
losers run tubes with staved plates! Trust me, the reason my pedals
sound so good is because they operate correctly, with all gain coming
from the tubes themselves.
is it not necessary to add an exhaust for the tube to breathe in when it's hot?
No it a preamp tube. If it was a power tube the whole thing would melt.
Thanks, Shane. Informative video as always. Is it possible to replace the tiny control knobs with larger ones?
@@mastopage3120 oh ok! thanks. coz on my two notes le clean, it has those exhaust
@@apuadofrancisco I know sometime they put it.
The tube isn’t doing anything. It isn’t getting enough power. It sure isn’t going to overheat. It’s essentially for looks/bragging rights.
I won’t be getting that I have a Klon and a cintivo
400$ Pedals are not the point of DIY Pedals. It's 30$ components and the willpower to solder and make stuff with your own hands
Those knobs are awful..like trim pots ..... Be interesting to see the voltages on the tube, see if its really doing anything or just there for shiggles like most other tube pedals.
You need gloves not for your skin but for the valve. Finger moisture can damage the valve if it runs very hot a d the won't last as long. Not a problem on audio amp circuits.
Sorry, but you are severely mistaken. Vacuum tubes are not the same as halogen lamps.
Really? I trimmed my nails yesterday too! Eerie. lol
Me too 😱
Not exactly cheap
How much? I can't find the price.
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@@davidkastin4240 $249 U.S.
Yeah?? How much?
Under Kits, $249