They mentioned Jack White in the intro, and at risk of being a nerd about it, I think some stuff is worth clarifying. Jack didn't use an octave fuzz on Seven Nation Army. That was a Digi-tech Whammy pedal bumping his signal down a full octave for the verse, and simply a Big Muff for the chorus/solo. The majority of the White Stripe stuff did not use octave fuzz as such, but a combination of a Big Muff and the Whammy in various configurations, with a few songs getting harmonies from a Pog. Jack has started using octave fuzz for recently, specifically his Bumble Buzz pedal, and the Third Man Records Plasma Pedal both have some octave effects to them, though in very different degrees and styles. His last album, Boarding House Reach has a couple of solos and riffs that use octave fuzz, with Over and Over and Over coming esp. to mind for riffs, or Respect Commander for a solo. Again, sorry if I went on a bit, but I think this is worth pointing out.
If I remember correctly the reason the neck pickup is more pronounced around fret 12 is because the string has its maximum amplitude right over the pickup because it's sat equidistant between bridge and fret. There's also less harmonic content there. I may be wrong though, my brain is mush lately.
yeah, the fundamental and octave harmonics are really accentuated there, and the octave circuit works best with just octave and fundamental harmonics. Other harmonics mush it up a bit, which also sounds cool but there isn't so much a pronounced octave.
Exactly. It's why on some guitars, a natural harmonic on the 5th fret will just disappear when you use the neck pickup. The pickup is placed directly at where the 24th fret would be, which is also where the string is divided in fourths (5th fret, 12th fret, 24th fret). Playing at the 12th fret means the pickup is picking up the node of the string directly an octave above the fretted note. So if you could have a pickup that moved to be exactly 12 frets above any note you fretted, you could get the octave effect to be nice and pronounced everywhere!
yeah playing around that fret 11 - 14 area put the first "node" where the string vibrates around to produce a first order harmonic is right over the pickup, so you get lots of that and lots of fundamental
I hate to contradict, but the FOXX Tone Machine definitely uses diodes for recification and the octave, and separate ones are used for hard clipping. The superfuzz is all transistors for the octave.
The Zep track with the blue box was the Fool in the Rain Solo. I love the classic Octavio ones - so cutting, gritty and musical in its imperfection. In general far prefer the cutting to the ultra wooly/bassy side of fuzz with the exception of muffs which I use more for smooth modulated leads rather than sludge
The octave effect got started independent of fuzz. The Octavia or Octavio has an input driver but is not a fuzz and it was/is normally used driven by a fuzz, as otherwise it tends to gate off sustain. Likewise the Green Ringer. The reason that a more obvious octave up is produced by the higher notes of the guitar is that the higher notes contain less harmonics. The closer the input is to a pure sine wave the clearer the octave effect becomes. This is also why using the neck pickup and rolling down the tone control produces a clearer octave effect, the neck pickup senses more of the fundamental note and the tone filter is removing upper harmonics. The problem with driving the octave effect with a fuzz is that the fuzz is producing square waves rather than pure sine waves. The result of full wave rectifying a square wave is a signal that contains a lot of other harmonics as well as the octave up. When Dan talks about the Danelectro 3699 I could swear he says the octave up effect is 'done with transistors not diodes'. I'm guessing he meant to say transformer. Danelectro say that the 3699 is the Foxx pedal with a few teaks. The original Foxx Tone Machine uses a transistor phase splitter driving two diodes to produce the reification effect. As Dan says there are two more diodes used for clipping further on in the circuit.
The TC sub 'n up is a great alternative to the pog, that doesn't get enough love. There are toneprints, polyphonic and "vintage" modes that get you in the vein of all of the stuff in this episode when mixed with a tonebender or fuzzface and you can add chorusing, flanging, etc. in the editor program to get into the b3 organ camp.
FINALLY!!!! After what 5 years of asking for it, I finally get the TPS Octave Fuzz episode. You say 45 minutes of octave fuzz is peoples nightmare, well it's my noisey Heaven! (seriously Dan in Drop D on the 3699 is the closest to "home" you guys have got to tones I go for personally...probably why I'm not in any bands) Interesting things I didn't realise, beside how they worked & how different the shift from Octavio to Superfuzz style is (as different as Fuzz Face is to Big Muff), the Octavio types remind me very much of a ring modulator in how they are so specific. Might be why I don't care for them. But anything Foxx Tone Machine, like the 3699, the old Danelectro French Toast, Diamond F-Octave, or the one I have the MXR LaMachine. Very interesting to find out how the sound that I adore actually works...and how it sounds in the hands of better players for what was (and likely would always be for me) all too brief a time. Now I ask...when's Octave Fuzz part 2?!
@@ThatPedalShow That was a great show! I have a PP Fuzz and love it! Mick said about it cleaning up really well - do you guys have any plans to feature 'great clean up pedals' as i feel it's best feature hasn't been seen...? It's seriously changed the way i play (for the better ha ha!). Great work guys - TPS and PP!
We often incorrectly attribute Muff style fuzzes when thinking of Dan Auerbach of The Black Keys. Dan switched over to Companion / super fuzz types octave fuzzes ever since the Brothers album. Dan Auerbach is the master of tastefully using octave fuzz for a more musical flow IMO. Check out their latest album for some rad octave fuzz tones.
Love the Pedal Pawn through the Octahive! Really digging my King Tone Mini Ge (in Zonk mode, slightly under biased) into my Henretta Purple Octopus. Also, just got the 25th anniversary Fuzz Factory...still playing around with the 10,000 different sounds, but there are nature Octave sounds that pop out. Love how subtly different Fuzz is from one to another. Always inspiring.
Hats off to Dan for coming up with some interesting little melodic ideas, big fan of his playing, some things just fall out of his guitar sometimes that really lights up the ear.
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for this episode for months, and you did not disappoint! I have been chasing the octave sound on violin (where it works all over the instrument, and the bow solves the sustain issue, and the gating works to reduce feedback), and this show is opening so many doors/possibilities. Rectification makes sense! Never knew how this worked. And the Jonny Octave, which initially I disliked on its own, finally makes sense when you combine it with other fuzz pushing it. (Maybe that makes sense across the board). Now I understand why Josh Smith uses the "Believe" with fuzzes pushing it too... Versatile for compact rigs. I've got a lot of stacking to try out...
I can recommend Joe Gore's Screech: the strongest, purest octave ever. It sounds like a soprano and it has the octave on all pickup and all over the neck.
After playing for 25 years, I finally understand octave fuzz and have learned to love it. The songs that helped me fall in love with it are Parchman Farm and Evil by a lesser known 70's band known as Cactus. They were such a fantastic rock band that should have been bigger in my opinion.
Lots of cool effects! One unique pedal to add to this mix is the Foxrox Octron. All analog octave above and below with full mix control of both and dry signal.
Great show gents. I just added one of those Bigfoot Octo Puss passive pedals to my board and its great, especially with my Pedal Pawn Fuzz going into it. Plus it doesn't take up another power slot.
Always liked Joey's story about his octave fuzz ... 'Is it broken' ....'It must be broken'.... 'I'm returning this'. I dont use it, watched to learn, great episode.
As always... a great primer on Octave Fuzz. However when you were showing the 3699 Fuzz, I think you missed citing a prime example of that sound... Adrian Belew's "Big Electric Cat." AB used the original FoxxTone Fuzz all over that song, and it's a "melt your face off" tone.
At the risk of blabbering on a bit I'll try make a long story short and guaranteed wont succeed. (And yes this is in an octave fuzz vid😂) Music has been everything for me. Went to uni studied it with no theory knowledge prior, just love for it. Then I started to grow distant with it, I had some big life things go on, some great, some terrible, all changed me. I didn't pick up my guitar for years.. depression is a dick btw. Recently back to being massively inspired. Went and bought a new guitar, an amp and started to re learn! You guys are wicked and have kickstarted that for me. And thanks for the Doyle tip! LOVE!!!!!! Keep making massive vids on everything you guys are legends! Love ya!
My first octave fuzz, and only one ‘til recently, was a Prescription Electronics Experience. It’s basically a Foxx Tone Machine clone with a Swell option that takes you into bizarro territory. Lotsa fun! I think it preceded the COB. I’ve added a Supreme to the mix now, also much fun.
I recently added the Danelectro 3699 fuzz to my board thinking it would replace my EQD Fuzz Master General and I've ended up having both on the board because they sound so good in their own right. The Fuzz Master General is incredible for neck pickup, upper neck ring mod type tones and it is all over the new album I'm putting together. Awesome show guys!
If you roll off top end (tone control) , the octave pops out more, it's less hidden by harmonics. If you build you own (highly recommended adventure), you can build in a low pass filter, so you don't need to roll off the tone every time.
Little more on the obscure alternative side, but Howe Gelb used a lot of octavia style fuzz in the early Giant Sand records for screwy noise tones, and then Rowland S. Howard inspired me to get a Blue Box. The stories surrounding the feedback on the song The Friend Catcher (The Birthday Party) are worth a read.
So excited for this video, but Chicago Iron owns the objective king of these things and no mention by our pedal board professors. Damn, boys. You can’t show every pedal, but you left out Zeus. I do like some of these alternatives, however. Octa-fuzz forever! I love the following for the Octavian sounds: Blue on black -kenny Wayne Shepherd Belief - John Mayer Fool in the rain - Led zeppelin I’m bad, I’m nationwide - ZZ Top Bad penny - Rorry Gallagher LED boots- Jeff Beck Scumbag blues- them crooked vultures Come on over - kenny Wayne Shepherd And of course, Jimi’s: one rainy wish, purple haze, we gotta live together, fire, machine fun, little miss lover, little wing, and who knows. Also, Lance Keltner’s demo of the Nik Huber Krautster has to be the best Octa-fuzz tone, ever. Do yourself a favor and search youtube for it, but wear a diaper as you’ll crap your shorts, for sure. This is fun!
“And you shall be healed” HAHAHA thanks Mick. Fun episode! The POG has got me wanting an episode full of synth pedals though! Bonus points if Dan pulls out the Ed Strat with the infinite sustain and Mick plays the Jazzmaster. 🙏✨
😁😁 That ending was hilarious - nice one on the shout out to Zachary Vex, his stuff is always outstanding!! Oh and I know you did a show with the Bigfoot Octo Puss, another great octave fuzz - so impressed was I, I bought one! Cheers guys KUTGW!!
Hi Guys, love the show, as always. Two TPS hoodies arrived on Wednesday, so my winter wardrobe is complete, and I'll be looking cool whilst keeping warm. Thanks to Katherine and the whole gang, and fuzz on!
Since it wasn't really mentioned in the episode, the Pedal Pawn Fuzz is supposed to be the silicon Diaz Texas Square Face thing, Cesar Diaz' Fuzz Face mod for SRV. Homestead Amps, who carry on the Diaz brand in a sense, make a Germanium version called the Preacher. 🤟
A great octave fuzz, underrated imo, is the Vox Trike. -1, -2, +1 with various combinations of the modes. It's like a Blue Box on steroids with oct -1 & +1 options. I think -2 is always on (or -1). I love mine. Andy Martin did a great demo back in his PGS days.
Re: 3:03, octave overtones in recordings with fuzzes that aren't "octave-fuzzes"- don't forget the factor of cranked tube-amps and harmonic-overtone feedback. Fuzzes and/or octave-fuzzes played through overdriven tube-amps with feedback is a match made in blissful Tone Heaven!
I used to use a Kay acoustic with a JB slapped in the neck position on it into a Blue Box into a Windsor on a 4x12. It would howl and try to shake the guitar apart but what a sound. It gets very 8-bit sounding as you crank the pedal up.
I have a octave fuzz I love it its a octave x I love messing with the trimpot for the octave because you can get that RM Octavia sound or half way you get a super fuzz sound but when you turn it all the way up you get buzzsaw fuzz I know it's not a Roger mayer Octavia or a Dunlop/mxr octavio but I love it
Something I would find very interesting would be a mic pre/analog channel strip test. I've tried to get classic guitar tones - Ritchie Blackmore's Machine Head era, classic Status tones etc. I believe the mic pres and channel strips made a huge impact on the tone back in the day. Nowadays the mic pres are super clean and transparant, but that wasn't the case 40-50 years ago. Have a great weekend!
Yep, no arguments here... and then of course all the subsequent EQ and compression/limiting/mattering etc. It ended up (and continues to end up) a far cry from what’s coming out of the speaker.... super interesting topic! Edit, mastering. Sorry!
That Pedal Show Exactly. I found the isolated guitar track from Highway Star by Deep Purple. Strat->some sort of boost->AC30. The sound is huge! But it doesn’t sound like that setup. The bottom end is massive but there’s still a clear top end.
They all are special, but I kinda like the 3699. It has some good features, It's a standard size and while not cheap I believe it's a bit less expensive than a few of the others.
Picked up a passive Bigfoot Octo Puss a few weeks back. Love it. Had to edit my board to deal with a buffer up front (courtesy of the Three2One) but it's workable. Really need to try it out with the band though!
I like the new Danelectro pedals. At first I assumed they were simply more of their super cheap line, but they're more high end, and wasI very pleasantly surprised! The Roebuck is a really great fuzz! And this octave one is cool too!
Great episode fellas. I just got a Suhr Rufus Reloaded. Great pedal allows you to switch the octave effect on or off by holding the switch down for a second. like having 2 pedals in one.
Awesome show guys! You say fuzz and I'm in. Love that you cover a variety of octave fuzz tones. Love the crazy stuff, but that Argo is just so smooth and musical- I could see playing that one often and not just as the occasional "effect" - totally sweet.
Cool episode. You should check out the earthquaker bit commander - despite the name, it's basically a square wave fuzz with an octavia circuit (for the octave up) and both -1 and -2 octave control - all analog. It's crazy versatile and become one of my pedalboard staples!
Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Roger Mayer Octave pedals are less spitty and much more versatile due to gain on and off functions and tone knobs and fuzz or octave on/off options. Own them both and absolutely love em. Love ya work guys.. Paul..Victoria Downunder.🤘👍🎸
I see that aswell, the price is the only reason why i don't have a G20 yet but i have the G3 pedal and i like it, would also like to hear a TPS-opinion about Revv amps.
Noob level - every time they collapse giggling Casual level - every time someone says interesting Weekend warrior level - when the horn honks Custom shop re-issue level - for the entire length of a tangent W/d/w dual tomato dumble level - from waking up
everytime dan say “t shaped object” everytime mic suddedly changes key mid-noodle everytime either of them say “clipping” everytime either of them mispronounce the word impedance, intentionally or not 😂
Great episode though I wish it could have been longer as well. I've found I really love the sound of the Super Fuzz type, but that Mythos Argo is magnificent. I have a Z Vex Fuzz Factory and there are octave fuzz tones in there, if you can find them and the temperature is reasonably stable. I have an Earthquaker Pitch Bay (now discontinued) which is a bit POG-like and a bit Whammy-like though definitely it's own thing. I set it to blend a 5th up, an octave down, and the root, and put a fuzz or distortion before it - pretty great sound. Thanks, guys!
While we are talking about octave, I'm very interested in the Foxrox Octron 3. I saw Mark Lettieri demonstrating it in a video and I loved it, particularly the octave down. Any thoughts?
Isn't the reason the octave is more pronounced and audible from the 12th fret upwards due to the fact that from that point on, the circuit is essentially replicating the note up an octave, and you're hearing notes extended above the range of the fretboard? From 1st to 10th you are still hearing an octave on top of the note, it's just that it is still a within the range of the guitar, and so less apparent?
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They mentioned Jack White in the intro, and at risk of being a nerd about it, I think some stuff is worth clarifying. Jack didn't use an octave fuzz on Seven Nation Army. That was a Digi-tech Whammy pedal bumping his signal down a full octave for the verse, and simply a Big Muff for the chorus/solo. The majority of the White Stripe stuff did not use octave fuzz as such, but a combination of a Big Muff and the Whammy in various configurations, with a few songs getting harmonies from a Pog. Jack has started using octave fuzz for recently, specifically his Bumble Buzz pedal, and the Third Man Records Plasma Pedal both have some octave effects to them, though in very different degrees and styles. His last album, Boarding House Reach has a couple of solos and riffs that use octave fuzz, with Over and Over and Over coming esp. to mind for riffs, or Respect Commander for a solo.
Again, sorry if I went on a bit, but I think this is worth pointing out.
Thank you, super interesting! Useful and valuable clarification - we love it!
When you want to nerd out about gear, this is the place ;)
Jack White demonstrates Seven Nation Army in the documentary “It Might Get Loud”. It’s definitely a Whammy pedal.
TPS where truth still matters :)
@@ThatPedalShow Wow, pretty psyched you guys actually read my comment. Love the videos, and thanks!
If I remember correctly the reason the neck pickup is more pronounced around fret 12 is because the string has its maximum amplitude right over the pickup because it's sat equidistant between bridge and fret. There's also less harmonic content there. I may be wrong though, my brain is mush lately.
yeah, the fundamental and octave harmonics are really accentuated there, and the octave circuit works best with just octave and fundamental harmonics. Other harmonics mush it up a bit, which also sounds cool but there isn't so much a pronounced octave.
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One reason 24 fret neck pick ups don’t sound quite right.
Exactly. It's why on some guitars, a natural harmonic on the 5th fret will just disappear when you use the neck pickup. The pickup is placed directly at where the 24th fret would be, which is also where the string is divided in fourths (5th fret, 12th fret, 24th fret). Playing at the 12th fret means the pickup is picking up the node of the string directly an octave above the fretted note.
So if you could have a pickup that moved to be exactly 12 frets above any note you fretted, you could get the octave effect to be nice and pronounced everywhere!
Sounds legit
yeah playing around that fret 11 - 14 area put the first "node" where the string vibrates around to produce a first order harmonic is right over the pickup, so you get lots of that and lots of fundamental
Blue Box is in “Fool In The Rain”-Led Zep
My first pedal, so awesome. 1994
what is this?! An octave fuzz episode for ants?! It needs to be at least three times this size!
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He's absolutely right....
I hate to contradict, but the FOXX Tone Machine definitely uses diodes for recification and the octave, and separate ones are used for hard clipping. The superfuzz is all transistors for the octave.
Love the Eric Gales shoutout! I'm from Memphis and first saw him play when he was 16. Several friends have gigged and toured with him over the years.
Blue on Black`s solo by Kenny Wayne Shepherd is one of the best examples of an octave fuzz being used very tastefully.
Agree love blue on black
I wonder if that inspired the album that Death released when he left Wyld Stallions - "Pale on Pale"
Do you know what his setup is/was for that song? I wanna know what fuzz he's using: has a fucking killer sound!
@@jacobhartmann1050 it’s an original tychohabre octave pedal, a fulltone of-2 is a currently available clone of it
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6:51 ...Mick Mick Mick! You are completely In flow ....wonderful phrases....superb
I’m so excited! I’ve been waiting for this episode!
Right there with you! I’m on the hunt!
Me too!!!
The Zep track with the blue box was the Fool in the Rain Solo. I love the classic Octavio ones - so cutting, gritty and musical in its imperfection. In general far prefer the cutting to the ultra wooly/bassy side of fuzz with the exception of muffs which I use more for smooth modulated leads rather than sludge
The octave effect got started independent of fuzz. The Octavia or Octavio has an input driver but is not a fuzz and it was/is normally used driven by a fuzz, as otherwise it tends to gate off sustain. Likewise the Green Ringer. The reason that a more obvious octave up is produced by the higher notes of the guitar is that the higher notes contain less harmonics. The closer the input is to a pure sine wave the clearer the octave effect becomes. This is also why using the neck pickup and rolling down the tone control produces a clearer octave effect, the neck pickup senses more of the fundamental note and the tone filter is removing upper harmonics. The problem with driving the octave effect with a fuzz is that the fuzz is producing square waves rather than pure sine waves. The result of full wave rectifying a square wave is a signal that contains a lot of other harmonics as well as the octave up.
When Dan talks about the Danelectro 3699 I could swear he says the octave up effect is 'done with transistors not diodes'. I'm guessing he meant to say transformer. Danelectro say that the 3699 is the Foxx pedal with a few teaks. The original Foxx Tone Machine uses a transistor phase splitter driving two diodes to produce the reification effect. As Dan says there are two more diodes used for clipping further on in the circuit.
Who Knows from Band of Gypsy's album is one of Jimi's best octave fuzz moments!😊
The TC sub 'n up is a great alternative to the pog, that doesn't get enough love. There are toneprints, polyphonic and "vintage" modes that get you in the vein of all of the stuff in this episode when mixed with a tonebender or fuzzface and you can add chorusing, flanging, etc. in the editor program to get into the b3 organ camp.
Daniel played “Outshined”! My life is complete😊
Jimmy Page used the blue box octave on the album “In Through the Out Door” on the song “Fool in the Rain.
FINALLY!!!! After what 5 years of asking for it, I finally get the TPS Octave Fuzz episode. You say 45 minutes of octave fuzz is peoples nightmare, well it's my noisey Heaven! (seriously Dan in Drop D on the 3699 is the closest to "home" you guys have got to tones I go for personally...probably why I'm not in any bands)
Interesting things I didn't realise, beside how they worked & how different the shift from Octavio to Superfuzz style is (as different as Fuzz Face is to Big Muff), the Octavio types remind me very much of a ring modulator in how they are so specific. Might be why I don't care for them. But anything Foxx Tone Machine, like the 3699, the old Danelectro French Toast, Diamond F-Octave, or the one I have the MXR LaMachine. Very interesting to find out how the sound that I adore actually works...and how it sounds in the hands of better players for what was (and likely would always be for me) all too brief a time.
Now I ask...when's Octave Fuzz part 2?!
Then you need to try the Prescription Electronics Experience. Trust me. 😏
Wow ❤️ What a show! 🎛 Thanks so much for the feature guys 💥
You’re so welcome, sounds killer!
@@ThatPedalShow That was a great show! I have a PP Fuzz and love it! Mick said about it cleaning up really well - do you guys have any plans to feature 'great clean up pedals' as i feel it's best feature hasn't been seen...? It's seriously changed the way i play (for the better ha ha!). Great work guys - TPS and PP!
We often incorrectly attribute Muff style fuzzes when thinking of Dan Auerbach of The Black Keys. Dan switched over to Companion / super fuzz types octave fuzzes ever since the Brothers album. Dan Auerbach is the master of tastefully using octave fuzz for a more musical flow IMO. Check out their latest album for some rad octave fuzz tones.
Dan Auerbach's tones is what got me into fuzzes. He also used them on earlier albums. Ibanez Standard Fuzz
@@Onetinsoldier Awesome! Ya that Ibanez fuzz is basically a Super Fuzz from what I hear.
@@jeremiahMc11 Yeah it is. JD Simo's new album has a lot of songs with superfuzz. Sounds mega :D
Eric Gales is amazing. Great show guys!
Mick, the Gold Top speaks to you man! You smile every time you play it. And sounds KILLER.
I really love it. Such a great guitar. Such an expensive guitar. Oh dear. ;0)
That Pedal Show I feel that! Expensive guitars are my weakness though.
Died at the end when the POG got added to all the others playing at once. Lovely moment. Great video guys!
Love the Pedal Pawn through the Octahive! Really digging my King Tone Mini Ge (in Zonk mode, slightly under biased) into my Henretta Purple Octopus. Also, just got the 25th anniversary Fuzz Factory...still playing around with the 10,000 different sounds, but there are nature Octave sounds that pop out.
Love how subtly different Fuzz is from one to another. Always inspiring.
The guitar solo on Unknown Mortal Orchestra's song Hunnybee has some of the sweetest octave fuzz Ive ever heard!
Sounded good.
I love fuzz in stoner rock and psychedelic rock. Check out the band Earthless.
I've been begging for this since the first episode I ever watched
Hats off to Dan for coming up with some interesting little melodic ideas, big fan of his playing, some things just fall out of his guitar sometimes that really lights up the ear.
Wow, thanks so much 🤓🙏
Thank you. Thank you. THANK YOU! I've been waiting for this episode for months, and you did not disappoint! I have been chasing the octave sound on violin (where it works all over the instrument, and the bow solves the sustain issue, and the gating works to reduce feedback), and this show is opening so many doors/possibilities.
Rectification makes sense! Never knew how this worked. And the Jonny Octave, which initially I disliked on its own, finally makes sense when you combine it with other fuzz pushing it. (Maybe that makes sense across the board). Now I understand why Josh Smith uses the "Believe" with fuzzes pushing it too... Versatile for compact rigs. I've got a lot of stacking to try out...
YES! The episode we were all waiting for!
Perfect day for my “all you need is fuzz” shirt to arrive in the post!
I can recommend Joe Gore's Screech: the strongest, purest octave ever. It sounds like a soprano and it has the octave on all pickup and all over the neck.
QOTSA - Little Sister solo... so good.
I use a Vox Trike for that one. It does the job.
Classic tps, this is my favorite kind of episode, i like when you pick a particular effect type as a topic and dwell on it. Octave fuzz rocks!
After playing for 25 years, I finally understand octave fuzz and have learned to love it. The songs that helped me fall in love with it are Parchman Farm and Evil by a lesser known 70's band known as Cactus. They were such a fantastic rock band that should have been bigger in my opinion.
Lots of cool effects! One unique pedal to add to this mix is the Foxrox Octron. All analog octave above and below with full mix control of both and dry signal.
Great show gents. I just added one of those Bigfoot Octo Puss passive pedals to my board and its great, especially with my Pedal Pawn Fuzz going into it. Plus it doesn't take up another power slot.
Well timed! I bought an MXR Blue Box on Reverb and it should arrived today!
The Danelectro 3699 is quite impressive and versatile. Thanks gents. Good show.
Always liked Joey's story about his octave fuzz ... 'Is it broken' ....'It must be broken'.... 'I'm returning this'. I dont use it, watched to learn, great episode.
As always... a great primer on Octave Fuzz. However when you were showing the 3699 Fuzz, I think you missed citing a prime example of that sound... Adrian Belew's "Big Electric Cat." AB used the original FoxxTone Fuzz all over that song, and it's a "melt your face off" tone.
At the risk of blabbering on a bit I'll try make a long story short and guaranteed wont succeed. (And yes this is in an octave fuzz vid😂) Music has been everything for me. Went to uni studied it with no theory knowledge prior, just love for it. Then I started to grow distant with it, I had some big life things go on, some great, some terrible, all changed me. I didn't pick up my guitar for years.. depression is a dick btw. Recently back to being massively inspired. Went and bought a new guitar, an amp and started to re learn! You guys are wicked and have kickstarted that for me. And thanks for the Doyle tip! LOVE!!!!!! Keep making massive vids on everything you guys are legends! Love ya!
My first octave fuzz, and only one ‘til recently, was a Prescription Electronics Experience. It’s basically a Foxx Tone Machine clone with a Swell option that takes you into bizarro territory. Lotsa fun! I think it preceded the COB. I’ve added a Supreme to the mix now, also much fun.
I recently added the Danelectro 3699 fuzz to my board thinking it would replace my EQD Fuzz Master General and I've ended up having both on the board because they sound so good in their own right. The Fuzz Master General is incredible for neck pickup, upper neck ring mod type tones and it is all over the new album I'm putting together. Awesome show guys!
If you roll off top end (tone control) , the octave pops out more, it's less hidden by harmonics. If you build you own (highly recommended adventure), you can build in a low pass filter, so you don't need to roll off the tone every time.
Jonathan Pentreath +1 have done this
Little more on the obscure alternative side, but Howe Gelb used a lot of octavia style fuzz in the early Giant Sand records for screwy noise tones, and then Rowland S. Howard inspired me to get a Blue Box. The stories surrounding the feedback on the song The Friend Catcher (The Birthday Party) are worth a read.
Hi. Thanks for the recommendation on that Eric Gale's album! Listing to it now!
So excited for this video, but Chicago Iron owns the objective king of these things and no mention by our pedal board professors. Damn, boys. You can’t show every pedal, but you left out Zeus. I do like some of these alternatives, however. Octa-fuzz forever!
I love the following for the Octavian sounds:
Blue on black -kenny Wayne Shepherd
Belief - John Mayer
Fool in the rain - Led zeppelin
I’m bad, I’m nationwide - ZZ Top
Bad penny - Rorry Gallagher
LED boots- Jeff Beck
Scumbag blues- them crooked vultures
Come on over - kenny Wayne Shepherd
And of course, Jimi’s: one rainy wish, purple haze, we gotta live together, fire, machine fun, little miss lover, little wing, and who knows.
Also, Lance Keltner’s demo of the Nik Huber Krautster has to be the best Octa-fuzz tone, ever. Do yourself a favor and search youtube for it, but wear a diaper as you’ll crap your shorts, for sure.
This is fun!
Fascinating show, as I just got the warm audio foxy tone box a great octave fuzz
I would LOVE for you guys to do an expose episode on prescription electronics.
“And you shall be healed” HAHAHA thanks Mick. Fun episode! The POG has got me wanting an episode full of synth pedals though! Bonus points if Dan pulls out the Ed Strat with the infinite sustain and Mick plays the Jazzmaster. 🙏✨
Great vid as usual. I seem to remember reading that Pedal Pawn fuzz is based on the Square Face Casper Diaz made for SRV.
"Propeller" by Paul Gilbert is what comes to mind for me as a stellar example
😁😁 That ending was hilarious - nice one on the shout out to Zachary Vex, his stuff is always outstanding!! Oh and I know you did a show with the Bigfoot Octo Puss, another great octave fuzz - so impressed was I, I bought one! Cheers guys KUTGW!!
I have an old ZVex Octane 3. It’s killer.
34:05 Jimmy used the Blue Box for the solo on Fool in the Rain
About 28:00 did not expect something close to “Surfing with the Alien” on a Gibbo on here…feels more “rolling In the local shop for local people…”
Whole Stoner Rock genre needs to be mentioned here. Some Fu Manchu riffs should be there when the Super Fuzz is on :D
The Melvin's Buzz Osborne used a blue box and his sound with that inspired the DOD Buzz box pedal which is a grunge with 1 & 2 octave down
Mick: 45 minutes of Octave Fuzz is enough to push anyone over the edge.
Episode Length: 46:06
Hi Guys, love the show, as always. Two TPS hoodies arrived on Wednesday, so my winter wardrobe is complete, and I'll be looking cool whilst keeping warm. Thanks to Katherine and the whole gang, and fuzz on!
Hooray! Thank you for buying them!
Since it wasn't really mentioned in the episode, the Pedal Pawn Fuzz is supposed to be the silicon Diaz Texas Square Face thing, Cesar Diaz' Fuzz Face mod for SRV. Homestead Amps, who carry on the Diaz brand in a sense, make a Germanium version called the Preacher. 🤟
MetalThrashingMatt I hope pedal pawn get a stand alone play soon. Their fuzz and Texas twang are incredible - especially on the clean up
I have an old Square Face built by Cesar Diaz. It’s killer.
@@edphaze6550 I'm jealous. I'd love to track one down someday.
+1 just for Eric Gales shoutout! Such an amazing player/performer and incredible story. Would love to see him on the show eventually.
Fuzz is never enough, 45 minutes will fly by. 😁😁😁
60secs is all I can tolerate so 45? Not a chance in Hades.
@@mxh5647 😁😁😁
Loved Dan's explanation of how that Honey Badger pedal works, "they way it works is they put the thang down, flip it and reverse it."
45 mins of fuzz sounds like what the country needs right now man. Bravo
Can't go wrong with a fuzz show. Great one! With all the talk about ZVEX maybe a show with contemporary fuzz pedals would be an interesting one.
Love the argonaut I have one. It's not a pedal it's an instrument. And the boost alone is awesome 👌💥
"Fool in the Rain?" The Zep song with the blue box solo...? Maybe
Correct
Also. .
Purdie Shuffle!
A great octave fuzz, underrated imo, is the Vox Trike. -1, -2, +1 with various combinations of the modes. It's like a Blue Box on steroids with oct -1 & +1 options.
I think -2 is always on (or -1).
I love mine. Andy Martin did a great demo back in his PGS days.
Re: 3:03, octave overtones in recordings with fuzzes that aren't "octave-fuzzes"- don't forget the factor of cranked tube-amps and harmonic-overtone feedback. Fuzzes and/or octave-fuzzes played through overdriven tube-amps with feedback is a match made in blissful Tone Heaven!
Fool in the rain solo was the blue box
I used to use a Kay acoustic with a JB slapped in the neck position on it into a Blue Box into a Windsor on a 4x12. It would howl and try to shake the guitar apart but what a sound. It gets very 8-bit sounding as you crank the pedal up.
I love that Supreme! I'm sure Mick's right about sitting in the mix, but in isolation it sounds great.
Great show! The Myriad Fuzz seems to bring out that octave sound sometimes. I absolutely love it!
I swear you read my mind, I've been looking at octave fuzzes all morning 😂
Kenny Wayne Shepherd used an octave fuzz for the solo(s) in “Blue on Black.” Happens to be my favorite. 😎
Red Beard missed a huge opportunity and should have called it "Honey Badger Don't Give A Fuzz" and I will comment this every time I see thiat pedal.
Put that on a new TPS T-shirt!
I have a octave fuzz I love it its a octave x I love messing with the trimpot for the octave because you can get that RM Octavia sound or half way you get a super fuzz sound but when you turn it all the way up you get buzzsaw fuzz I know it's not a Roger mayer Octavia or a Dunlop/mxr octavio but I love it
That POG effect on the fuzzes at the very end was awesome.
Something I would find very interesting would be a mic pre/analog channel strip test. I've tried to get classic guitar tones - Ritchie Blackmore's Machine Head era, classic Status tones etc. I believe the mic pres and channel strips made a huge impact on the tone back in the day. Nowadays the mic pres are super clean and transparant, but that wasn't the case 40-50 years ago. Have a great weekend!
Yep, no arguments here... and then of course all the subsequent EQ and compression/limiting/mattering etc. It ended up (and continues to end up) a far cry from what’s coming out of the speaker.... super interesting topic! Edit, mastering. Sorry!
That Pedal Show Exactly. I found the isolated guitar track from Highway Star by Deep Purple. Strat->some sort of boost->AC30. The sound is huge! But it doesn’t sound like that setup. The bottom end is massive but there’s still a clear top end.
They all are special, but I kinda like the 3699. It has some good features, It's a standard size and while not cheap I believe it's a bit less expensive than a few of the others.
Picked up a passive Bigfoot Octo Puss a few weeks back. Love it. Had to edit my board to deal with a buffer up front (courtesy of the Three2One) but it's workable. Really need to try it out with the band though!
Thank you for this one-I just picked up the Solidgoldfx 76 Plus... wonderful. If you have not tried it-definitely recommend.
I like the new Danelectro pedals. At first I assumed they were simply more of their super cheap line, but they're more high end, and wasI very pleasantly surprised! The Roebuck is a really great fuzz! And this octave one is cool too!
Great episode fellas. I just got a Suhr Rufus Reloaded. Great pedal allows you to switch the octave effect on or off by holding the switch down for a second. like having 2 pedals in one.
Awesome show guys! You say fuzz and I'm in. Love that you cover a variety of octave fuzz tones. Love the crazy stuff, but that Argo is just so smooth and musical- I could see playing that one often and not just as the occasional "effect" - totally sweet.
Where’s Josh when you need him? He’s got the box!!!!!
Cool episode. You should check out the earthquaker bit commander - despite the name, it's basically a square wave fuzz with an octavia circuit (for the octave up) and both -1 and -2 octave control - all analog. It's crazy versatile and become one of my pedalboard staples!
Nice. I didn't know how different octave fuzz was from octavers.
Fulltone Ultimate Octave and Roger Mayer Octave pedals are less spitty and much more versatile due to gain on and off functions and tone knobs and fuzz or octave on/off options. Own them both and absolutely love em.
Love ya work guys.. Paul..Victoria Downunder.🤘👍🎸
Unrelated:
But is that. Rev D or G 20 I spy in the back? Episode on it and related materials?
It's a G20
I see that aswell, the price is the only reason why i don't have a G20 yet but i have the G3 pedal and i like it, would also like to hear a TPS-opinion about Revv amps.
The Supreme sounded killer! I think the 3699 took the show! + the POG is great. I use a pitchfork into a Big Muff deluxe and it's baddass!
Is there a TPS Drinking Game yet? Can we take a drink when Dan plays two bars of Outshined?
Noob level - every time they collapse giggling
Casual level - every time someone says interesting
Weekend warrior level - when the horn honks
Custom shop re-issue level - for the entire length of a tangent
W/d/w dual tomato dumble level - from waking up
everytime dan say “t shaped object”
everytime mic suddedly changes key mid-noodle
everytime either of them say “clipping”
everytime either of them mispronounce the word impedance, intentionally or not 😂
That Dano fuzz started getting into Boss HM-2 territory when Dan was going into Drop D riffage. Nice.
I thought about my Boss HM-2 when I heard that too! Lol!
That was a massive sound
Love the octave down fuzz-the honey badger sounded great. Great job guys!
I just bought the Mythos Argo.....absolutely the best octave fuzz/boost I’ve ever tried!
Great episode though I wish it could have been longer as well. I've found I really love the sound of the Super Fuzz type, but that Mythos Argo is magnificent. I have a Z Vex Fuzz Factory and there are octave fuzz tones in there, if you can find them and the temperature is reasonably stable. I have an Earthquaker Pitch Bay (now discontinued) which is a bit POG-like and a bit Whammy-like though definitely it's own thing. I set it to blend a 5th up, an octave down, and the root, and put a fuzz or distortion before it - pretty great sound. Thanks, guys!
While we are talking about octave, I'm very interested in the Foxrox Octron 3. I saw Mark Lettieri demonstrating it in a video and I loved it, particularly the octave down. Any thoughts?
Isn't the reason the octave is more pronounced and audible from the 12th fret upwards due to the fact that from that point on, the circuit is essentially replicating the note up an octave, and you're hearing notes extended above the range of the fretboard? From 1st to 10th you are still hearing an octave on top of the note, it's just that it is still a within the range of the guitar, and so less apparent?
I really like Crowther Prunes & Custard on bass, Soundblox Multiwave distortion, Wolftone Chaos, TWA Dynamorph...
Great Octave Fuzz sound on Helipad by Andy Timmons on the Resolution album. One of my favourite guitar sounds.
Hearing Dan playing Outshined has made my week!
Glorious sound!