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I became a fan of Agent Venom because of the Cartoon.
But after I became a fan I learned more about him... The Comic Agent Venom is much better.
Comic version Everytime. You introduced me to that amazing character. He makes me happy veterans are represented by him in comics. Thank you for your service sir.
Agent anti-venom was a cool spin.
I did enjoy that color inverse.
It was a cool idea, but in the show I lost interest because it was botched
What ever happened to anti-venom? Did it die with Flash
@@Gundam-Beast Unfortunately yes
@@Gundam-Beast yes. Flash used all his anti-venom to give Peter with the symbiote a power boost to fight Norman Osborn who was Carnage at the time. Prior to that, he went around and saved the other spider powered people who had carnage spikes in them
Eddie and Flash are both perfect and best Venom host and best friends they both teach him about everything but Flash did more that is why Venom loves Flash more than Eddie he still cares for both
Also would be dope if they make an Agent Venom game like Prototype and Spider-Man PS4
Didn't the symbiote love them both equally?
We might get an agent venom cameo of some sort in spider-man ps5 like an end credits adding more to the spider-man ps4 universe
@@The-Spaceducky venom comes in during the Spider-Man sequel.
Volker exactly so there is a chance they can add agent venom
Or at least a skin in the next game. I would play the whole game in it
They should bring Agent Venom back, Flash was the best version of Venom IMO. Maybe have Johnny Blaze make him a Hell General and give him a demonic symbiote.
Agent venom was cool in the comics and kinda cheesy in ultimate spidermann
Well the original origins would not have worked on a kids show.
Everything was cheesy in that
They made moon knight look like an idiot and it really made me hate the show
That superior Spider-Man twist was the only thing I liked about that show.
Ultimate Spider-Man was trash.
I personally loved Ultimate Flash, especially when he figures out by himself that Peter is Spidey and he said nothing all the way until Peter actually needed to hear it. It was such a cool moment.
He’s not my fav but he is the one that got me into Agent Venom
This was my first exposure to Agent Venom, I did enjoy the whole Venom stealing weapons and just hammer spacing them into existence on the suit, I agree the war hero version is so much better!
My favorite version will always be comics agent venom, I will always think of him as the true host of venom.
I like this one, but comic book Agent Venom all the way
I Mean If You Look In The 4th Season Of Ultimate Spider-Man During The New Sinister 6 part 2 When Flash Tried The Protect Aunt May I Think He Did Learn About Responsibly At Least In My Opinion
I almost got heated at just reading the title. But I remember it is RUclips and you got to do what you got to do. Comic Book Agent Venom is THE best Venom to me. No contest.
Well you can't really have the comic origin in a kid show.
I think agent venom is my favorite version of venom
He's the best
Same
Men of culture I see.
The character itself is well crafted. The origins are straight up retarded. Klyntars?
Same here. Sure, I like Eddie and what Donny Cates did with the character but looking back at Venom's earlier books he didn't seem very heroic even for an anti-hero.
This character isn't my favorite but it was my introduction to agent venom and the larger venom mythos so it does hold a place in my heart
For the record, there were moments when Flash did have some character develop moments, like whenever he's with Rhino, a former victim of his bullying that he tries to do right by.
I always thought that Flash Thompson felt guilty for how he treated Parker growing up,
along with spiderman being his hero, it aloud venom to understand how to forgive spiderman and how to cooperate with his new host.
But I'm sure with any contact with Brock triggerd the evil Venom to emerge. With flash being the new Anti-Venom because of his mutated white blood cells.
I feel ultimate agent venom builds more on if Flash got venom while he was younger and the cartoon doesnt take that fully into consideration
I'd love to see a video about all the different spiderman clones that exist throughout the media , comics cartoons all of them .
Marvel doesn't even consider veterans heroes. They deserve better respect
Flash Thompson deserves better
I agree. Plus, Flash died a hero fighting Red Goblin.
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Although I agree the comic version is a million times better, but (and I'm speaking for myself) I wouldn't have found out about the character of not for the Cartoon when I was younger. I thought the character was so cool in the cartoon which led me to learn more about him in the comics.
Also i do think the Rhino episode, where he learn just how deep his bullying effects others, gave Cartoon Agent Venom a tad and good amount of depth and growth.
You forgot to mention Agent Venom's run during the Thunderbolts.
That series was ass
@@HallHawk24 it had some good moments in the middle but end was crap💩
I actually like flash in Spider-Man life story
Simply enough, they dumbed him down to be more kid friendly. The suit is cool, with the Beetle armour, but he is definitely inferior to the comic version.
Yeah. It's like whenever someone sees a superhero with guns they freak out like how Batman was treated. Just because a superhero has a weapon doesn't mean they're some sort of Punisher-esque character.
They couldn't use the same origin come one.
Robbie and the Daredevil Punisher skin are my favorites to main in Future Fight.
Comic AV is just more fleshed out and believable and makes more sense as a character, with deep, emotional motivations.
Granted the ultimate spider man series messed up on certain characters but while flash never grew up had same experiences as Agent venom in comics I believe he still good guy granted he not perfect but slowly he learning become better person as he becoming a better hero I believe He good Agent venom in his own right now how bit naive and not always make best decisions but comes out through when it counts those how depend on him
I love obv the comic version more, but the ultimate series did introduce me to him, before i watched ultimate spider-man, i didnt even knew that something like agent venom exist, thats why i dont care if ultimate spiderman is the worst spider series, just the fact it introduce me to my fav character in marvel universe make it my fav spider show xd also its the only show with agent-venom xd I kinda wish it would be more accurate to comics origin, but i get it, there is spiderman teen, so they have to change the origing for agent venom xd
I love Flash Thompson/agent venom in comic and cartoon. Flash Thompson used to bully peter, when he meet spiderman, he inspired to become a hero like him.
Everything he try to become a hero, he almost give up of trying to be a hero like spiderman.
But when the symbiote bond with Flash Thompson became venom and later name agent venom in shield . And join spiderman team the Web warriors.
Hopefully in Marvel's spider-man series, we see Flash Thompson and Andi Benton become venom and mania.
And in Marvel spider-man Ps5 game Flash Thompson will appear.
Dude, if we're talking about shortcuts, the latest "Marvel's Spiderman" is built on flimsy shortcut toothpicks.
I still appreciate the show adding him in because it introduced me to agent venom.
This is sort of the same problem I have with the Ultimate Spider-Man version of the Lizard. They have this cool thing of Connors working for SHIELD and helping Spidey out with gadgets, and then have him lose his arm when the Green Goblin attacks the Helicarrier. Connors then uses his science to create the Lizard formula and even has control over it for awhile before eventual Spider-Man has to make the cure.
Instead of going with a more interesting version of Connors maybe learning to control his Lizard half or even being stuck in that form (similar to the current Spider-Man comic run), they only bring Lizard back to be a generic monster for the Sinister Six. Connors is literally forced into the role every time, and by the end of the show Doc Ock literally just takes the Lizard serum and uses it on someone else.
Ultimate Spider-Man had many good ideas in it, but the felt kind of wasted of a more comedic version of Spider-Man
I see the cartoon version as the cliff notes version of Agent Venom. I just hope it lead to people who watch the show to try and learn more about the character. Side note I know we complain about characters coming back from the dead quickly, but I want Flash back and remembering Peter is Spider-Man. I would love to see that dynamic.
Agent Venom is my favorite Venom.
Agent venom should have his own live action series. Rated R.
Even though i actually like this version of anti venom (i let off the show for doing the cuts to agent venom as its a kids tv show) the comics agent venom is alot better.
I would have made him enlist as a shield junior division member to replace the military training.
I loved Agent Venom in the show. The Ultimate Spiderman cartoon in general kind of reinvigorated my love for superhero cartoons
While I agree that comic agent venom is better I can still see ultimate agent venom working, the symbiote comes across more as a tool for redemption for flash and it gives the idea he will earn the right to be agent venom. While obviously comic av is a much better character because he struggles with who he used to be and what's happened to him, theres still potential for a character with alot less baggage but still having the same dream
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I honestly love how they portrayed him in the show.
Agent venom will always be a fan favorite for me. And my preferred version is the comic agent venom
I love Ultimate Spider-man and that version of Agent Venom is the first version I knew about. Besides Peter being Spider-man wasn't the only reason he chose to be a hero. He constantly tried helping Spider-man throughout the series because he wanted to help people as he did. He also had nothing as shown in the Rhino debut episode and at least this gave him something in his life.
All im trying to say is that I don't think that they tried to shortcut their way to Agent Venom since he was a teen and not a veteran like comic Flash.
Ps. Agent Venom might be my favorite comic storyline from Marvel
Personally I am just glade I get to see agent venom in a cartoon.
But as for Flash Thompson not earning his place as agent venom in the cartoon...that is utterly false.
Flash Thompson within the past three seasons of the show has shown character development. from being a bully to peter parker and coward who wouldn't hasn't to abandon him. To being his friend. to realizing his bullying was wrong when it turn one of his victims into the villain rhino and then wanting to be hero because he felt he had nothing to loss due to his poor home life and neglectful parents.
All of which was establish before he became agent venom.
Maybe it could’ve been a case where Flash volunteered for SHIELD, as a stand in for the army, gotten into some battles between a venomized villain and Spiderman and instead of getting in the way, he fights and gets gravely injured in the fight but managed to get spidey the time he needs to win. Then, a bit of venom gets onto the injured flash and the events basically play like in the episode but now there’s this weight of Flash fighting without power and helping to save Spiderman.
The one time flash and brook teamed up was freaking awesome
I never liked ANY version of Agent Venom as it's the beginning of the entire Venom retcon and "new" backstory... it's like comic writers don't understand that sometimes simple characters are fine and there's no need to make a super complicated backstory with twists, turns and such.
Agent venom in ultimate Spider-Man is awesome lol I think you put too much emphasis on his military back ground
Cool fact:the guy who played the first flash in the raimi films is also currently DC’s Deathstroke
The sad part is that, that cartoon of Spider-man. The new cartoon has Peter sidelined because "this person" knows what to do, but are never there for big fights, or coordinate patrols, and communications. I don't mind if they switched perspectives amongst the spider people. But if a fight goes on for more the 10min then there should be spider backup.
Agent Venom in the comics is a soldier and also handicapped having lost both his legs. He struggles with his loss and also his alcoholism while trying to find purpose when he's bonded to the symbiote. The symbiote acted like a crutch of some sort, not only giving him legs and the ability to walk but also a sense of purpose. The one in the cartoons looks like Agent Venom but acts more like Football Jock thats hasnt grown out from this phase.
I like Agent Venom and I wished he stayed with the Guardians of the Galaxy I feel like he was a good addition to the team.
Yeah in full agreence that this being the worse one haha. Plus I didn't feel it humbled him as much.
I do love the comic version of agent venom but the cartoon version of agent venom got me into the venom comics
Shortcutting characters is basically how marvels other media does everything, we are getting a miles game for some reason, the avengers game has ms marvel for some reason, agents of shield has ghost rider Robbie Reyes for some reason, all these things are because the image is more important than the story.
Whether or not the comics have the better take this version still has a special place in my heart for introducing me to Agent Venom as a character and as someone that has always wanted to see Venom as a hero this idea blew my 14 year old mind and lead me down the path of Flashes comics.
Honestly I will admit that this version of agent venom is bad. But I'm still really mad that we didn't get an agent venom movie instead of a venom movie. Eddie might be more popular but flash to me would've been a way more interesting story.
Not going to lie I like Flash as Venom, but Eddie will always be my favorite host
Cartoon agent venom was what introduced me to the character
Flash was so good at venom
I prefer comics . Agent Venom is definitely in my top 5 or 7 best superhero . The cartoon version isn't bad , I like it but I like the comics way way more.
Ofcourse the comic book one is better, because it's more fleshed out.
But the ultimate cartoon one is also good. Still entertaining
This title almost put me in a rage then I saw the thumbnail. Phew lol
Dude, I felt the same exact way. Lol
I like Agent Venom, the original, because he's just an awesome combination of powers. Stealth/super soldier + amazing spider/symbiote skills. He's an adult Ben 10.
this version is my favorite version of the agent venom
IT IS A DAMN GOOD CARTOON, (not just because it had me in it.)
I remember watching Ultimate Spider Man, and learning Agent Venom was in it. I was excited and a bit confused. Watched it, ended up disappointed.
Playing devil’s advocate, it could be argued that the cartoon version is a more natural way to turn the bully flash Thompson into a superhero. I love flash in the comics (though I understand why they didn’t adapt it directly) but I feel like they only turned him into a war hero and troubled alcoholic because he was underdeveloped in those early stories. They could have taken his character in any direction and the character they made could have been anyone.
This show got me hooked on Agent Venom, so I like him.
I like more the version from the comic books, it had more depth and a better backstory. Also he is my favourite hero with spider-like abilities due to his design both as a soldier and then knight of the cosmos
Agent Venom was the best evolution for Venom and a great character. I prefer this over the original Venom since it matured where it mattered.
Id say flash starts to get out of his bullying phase when Rhino is introduced and he starts seeing the consequences of his actions
I didn't really like U-Agent Venom, either. But, from the standpoint of children, I understand it. Sometimes the people who can help you the most are the those who you look to the least. It was something my oldest child told me. If children can learn lessons like that from shortchanged characters, I'll deal with it.
I have to say 100% agree with you I will admit Venom was one of my favorite Spider-Man villains but Agent Venom was one of my favorite anti-heroes not as funny as Deadpool but I do hope they bring back Agent Venom one day if they do it would be awesome if he had a symbiote team
I absolutely love the comic version of Agent Venom
Funny thing is that I enjoy the cartoon version of him more than I do the MCU Spider-Man. Because he suuuuuuuuucks. And also the lazy racebent version of Flash. I hate what they did to Flash Thompson in those garbage excuse for movies yet everyone praises them. It's infuriating.
Well to bad
Agent anti venom was great I hope they bring him back. Ultimate Spider-Man a free short cut so many characters. Seeing Mary Jane full control over the symbiote but wanting a normal life something I wish the explored in the comics but I agree the didn't do Eddie right in this series
Ok
No. Cartoon Agent Venom isn't all that bad.
To me they share the same energy. Both versions want to be a hero, both do their very best.
I disagree that the cartoon Flash doesn't learn. If anything yes it is a shortcut but it's a different take on it. In my opinion this is more of a "what if" kind of thing.
Who's to say that the comic Flash wouldn't act the same way if you have found Venom still as a teenager, one who realizes hes gotten what he wants when he's still kinda young and arrogant? Its the way teenagers are.
I'm seeing comments that Marvel doesn't have Heroes who can represent Veterans of our time. To a degree I kind of agree we do have a few Heroes were veterans themselves other than Flash. Maybe from different Wars sure but I still think there's a few. Really it just depends on what you're looking for in them. But sure there could always be more I'm not denying that.
Simply put I think that the cartoon Flash was never going to be Agent Venom from the comics it just doesn't make any sense. This is Young Flash without the drinking problems, this is Young Flash when he still has both of his legs, this is Young Flash when he still has his youth and can still learn everything he needs to. Who's to say he still wouldn't join the armed forces and his own way, I like to think that Shield in a sense is part of the Armed Forces and it's pretty much sure fire that they would give him that training anyway. Given some time I'm sure he'll develop discipline and get used to the role that he's been given.
Lastly I don't think it's fair to compare the two for the most part because their tones are completely different, comic Agent Venom is kind of dark and gritty while the cartoon was colorful and it was definitely a lot light-hearted. I've no problem seeing both sides of the spectrum because sometimes we just want to see the dark gritty stuff but for a lot of people they just want to see the light-hearted stuff oh, there's a reason why people prefer goofy Adam West Batman compared to our current stuff.
Maybe I'm just rambling who knows but that's what I think. Maybe im bias because he is a actually one of my more...favorite versions of venom
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Maybe talk about Starlord. Before the films, his other versions are more serious. Oh, and his voice actor in Earth's Mightiest Heroes is the same guy who voices Master Chief!
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My favorite is the comics version too. The cartoon version of Flash not only didn't get character development he also acted like a goofball too. Agent Venom is sorta of like a dark Captain America in that he is a soldier with a lot of personal demons so to speak. I like Eddie and Flash equally.
Shows like Ultimate Spider-Man just try to sell as many action figures and toys as possible. So they put a rush on characters like Agent Venom
It was the toon that introduced me to Agent Venom.
What, Ultimate Spider-Man making something cool from the comics super lame? What a surprise...
Man, imagine if they had done the Agent Venom storyline on Spectacular Spidey.
"Hey, let's get rid of all the things that made Agent Venom cool. Heck, even his use of guns. Not even laser guns!"
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I'd say that Agent Venom is my favourite Venom. Love his design, love his antihero status, love that he's dependant on the suit due to his lost limbs.
The first volume was awesome but the series went the wrong direction after that.
The cartoon version was a mere fan service to me. Nothing special but nice to see on screen.
I watched the cartoon and not read the comics so I’m leaning more towards the show version
I miss flash so much 😩
Always hated how ultimate spiderman messed up scarlet spider
Even though this version isn't fit for origin one, we agent venom fans can only see him in ultimate Spiderman. Hope we can see him in movie(MCU plz)
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Agent Venom is my favorite. And for that cartoon series that Agent Venom works, maybe could be a bit smarter though
Agreed, but for a kid's show it makes more sense especially during the timeframe that it takes place.
Agent Venom, definitely my favorite version of Venom alongside Eddie Brock. I think Ultimate Spider-man did the character alright, especially for a kids show. Not terrible, not fantastic, just fine enough. He did have some character development throughout the show. At least I like that version more than the MCU version who's not much of a bully. He's mostly just passive aggressive towards Peter. Granted, the MCU skipped Spidey's origin story so he could be worse before Peter became Spider-man. Still, Far From Home hinted at his origin so hopefully he became more interesting in the future, especially with [spoiler] and if Disney could use Venom and the symbiotes.
Nah, agent venom was awesome. Keep up the great videos :)
Did you watch the video?
A minor villain I really like is "gamesmaster".
An antagonist of the x-men back in the day he was an omnipath and was connected to everyone telepathically.
I think the reason why ultimate Spiderman agent venom was like this is because the writers needed to be more kid friendly
i was introduced to agent venom through the cartoon which generally made me like the comic one and the animation one
You are right to my fear version is the comics but I do like Ultimate spider man funny twist it just makes it more laughable in lightens up the tongue which I like
I use to think that flash was the real venom
also the Scarlet Spider Easter Egg at 4:07.