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As a bit of an aside, the JP Wiki says (and I think I've tested) that once a monster hits max level it stops giving more XP, even if you keep pumping stars into it. The 14-5 mobs cap out at 100million-1 XP at 6 star difficulty I think, which makes that a good stopping point, I think? You won't farm as many stats, however.
i dont think this is true, i for sure get more exp on 20 stars than i did on 10 stars, not quite sure where you read this from. Now its true the EXP system is slightly different to previous disgaea games, but i cant imagine they would change this, something which has been a thing in all of them. as a monster hits max level the stars will still increase there stats and such give them additional "invisible" levels to give higher exp
@@Primalliquid92 I just gave it another test just now. At 7 star difficulty, on Rakashka, all the mobs in 14-5R are level 99,999,999. I get 10754T XP at the end, and each character gets about +43T, as I can't quite handle the fight without some stat boosting evilities. At 10 star difficulty, I get 10756T and +43T a fight. 15 star, 10754T and +43T. 20 star still flattens me. Maybe it's the XP formula gets opened up after finishing Rakasha-5, and the game starts expecting you to fight over-level-cap fights? The JP page I'm basing the theory on is "効率の良い周回場所" on "ディスガイア6攻略Wiki."
Is there any new method to do karma farm? Btw, I think World is mine and SR Volunteer only work on the killer? And putting the killer as a boot camp squad leader (need prinny hat, and 9 support need to be in the same squad for prinny insturctor to work) boot the level gain of support. The exp gained for support showed on summary still the same (84T, using Mao as killer, using Prinny instructor), but the level gained (from level 1) is 11,472,042 (from 10,301,697, about 11% increase in terms of level, but not sure what is the exp difference).
Why aren't there any videos before getting to this point? You're 1 shotting all these enemies after you reincarnated...my characters aren't anywhere near that strong even at 9,999. This video is for people on another level, not for people who just got to Post lude.
was loving the game until I got up to the point where 4k is the stat cap. 80+ full reincarnations to go from 2k to 4k with doing nothing other that spamming dark assembly and then pressing auto play with nothing in between. yeah not something I'm doing for 10 characters all for 1.6 times the stat lol
You need to beat the story mode and then complete the Dark Assembly bill to unlock Carnage mode. Super reincarnate and when you're at the stats allotment you go to ability and enable unlock level cap
So, Statisticians, is only a single 900 value one applicable to any one character through the equipment, any additional ones just doing nothing, or do maxed out Statisticians stack when putting multiple on a piece of equipment? If not, then I can feel free to put more functionally useful things on them for the characters, to have an easier time.
@@Primalliquid92 Still, you say Statisticians plural, so should the killing character have multiple 900 value Statisticians on them, or just one? Sorry for being a pain in the neck. ^^;
@@Primalliquid92 Alright, very good to know. While it is a shame, not being able to amass an insane Experience Point multiplier with a bunch on each character, silver lining is it is nice being able to feel free to have more of a diversity of Innocents across the equipment. I gotta soon start trying to just blast through and get a build up of Mr. Gency's Exit items, then get to the 100th floor of an item, and start trying to get some nice Unique Innocents from the Item God there.
Not sure how the video and the title mean the same thing here. You got 28,064,126 Karma on your thief in about 2-4 mins here. 28,064,126 * (60/4) is 420,961,890 for the lower end and 841,923,780 karma on the high end. Even if you multiply that by 10 for all the characters involved (9 honestly since zed stayed max level) that still only seems about 8-9b with your example. Is there something I am missing? Obviously 8-9b is still very useful, but 20b+ sounded pretty awesome and I feel a little let down.
your also forgetting the fact this is far slower for video purposes than it would be if you were going as quickly as possible to maxamise gains, if anything 20b is actually more conservative because of just how much slower i went compared to normal
@@Primalliquid92 You didn't tell us how long to do it for tho, you only showed a 2-4 min example and didn't say how long to go for 20b+ unless I missed it. You did mention we didn't want to go all the way to 99m which I understood. I guess I am asking now how long does it need to run for 20b+ and not being too much time?
@@Primalliquid92 99m gives 125m karma right? Even if you could get 125m (all the way up to level 99m) every 5 mins you still couldn't break 2b per hour (15b if you multiply it by 10 for 10 characters). 125,000,000 * (60/5) = 1,500,000,000 1,500,000,000 * 9 = 13,500,000,000 1,500,000,000 * 10 = 15,000,000,000
@@zelow79 at 99m gives you 124,999,998 millon karma for reincarnating, it takes me 1 hour to get to max with the method i use on a different stage and that is with times 32 speed, and skip all is on. Also with no boost tickets. Since it takes me 1 hour and you need to spend 175m karma to level one stat from 500 to 2000 that for each stat. Once you have unlocked yasha for 500,000,000 karma. It cost 10 billion to get one stat from 2000 to 4000 total 80 billion if you do all. That is 640 reincarnation at 99m. It will take a long time for me since i dont have nor use boost tickets.
Do unused karma stack up to the next reincarnation or do you go back to zero? I'm currently maxed at 9Million and I need 20Million Karma to unlock the next level cap. my character only has 1Million Karma :(
If you’ve turned in the d-merits for reaching certain Level milestones, then the amount of Karma that one character can hold at a time goes up. So long as you’re doing that, then they can hold karma between reincarnation.
If you put a character in the ability squad before reincarnating them they earn 5 evilities per reincarnation instead of 1 this way you can get all 90 with way less reincarnations
It's one of the late game classes. Can't remember which, but it's a generic class. If you master them all with the juice bar, you'll be able to learn it through the skill shop and then create a bunch of scrolls.
I got D-merit on two of my characters that will boost karma when I accept it I got it for beating 50 item world enemies but it says if I take it it will go over the cap and I don’t want to waste any so how do I boost the cap?
Man, you were left in the dark for a week with this question? Well if you didn't get the answer it is yes, you can use carnage mode if you're not strong enough for Raksasha to farm karma to break all the level caps
no matter what I do zed's karma stays at 32 and can only reincarnate to gain 12 mil karma, no matter how many of these gods of destruction I kill. jfc I hate this convoluted karma system so god damn much I can't reach the fucking 20mil needed to break level cap again because THE KARMA NEVER INCREASES
@@Primalliquid92 maybe they should've programmed a better progression system, i've reinstalled the game, i've had zed solo farm for several hours and still the karma doesnt increase anymore, he's unlocked 80% of the d-merits and already used the 16.5m karma dmerit on one of the reincarnations. the game may as well have softlocked me out of ever progressing into rakshasa which is complete and absolute bs
@@Primalliquid92 12,499,998 karma for reincarnating at 9,999,999 isnt going to get me anywhere when the number in the upper right part of the screen doesn't want to increase beyond 282 and nothing is telling me why that is happening.
@Primalliquid who had the Karma evilitie? it may be no good for Fast Karma but AFK Karma on the other hand. or overnight Karma. that i can use. what it called and who has it.
Karma is one of the worst additions they made to this game, maybe not in theory but at least with how it was implemented. Getting a max of 125m Karma for max level when it costs 5m for a single stat point over 2,000 is just needlessly brutal, Disgaea has always had an obsession when it comes to grinding, but it at least felt like you were making progress before, with Karma farming it just feels like you should be doing something else instead.
Sorry i have to defend it here, the PROPER min max grinds to achieve the absolute limit of stats in disgaea has ALWAYS been brutal af, Karma actually isnt that bad compared to some of the other stuff, look at completely maxing out in D5... that takes longer lol (although you do have the benefit of duping gear in that one)
@@Primalliquid92 It just feels like they forgot to add a major feature in regards to Karma. You can hold a max of 999 billion Karma, yet when you reincarnate 100 times or even kill 100k enemies, the D-merit is only worth 10 million Karma, which if you've completed one of those d-merits 10m Karma is so little it's actually irrelevant. This results in the entire Karma system feeling unfinished and more tedious than it probably should because the only option is mindless reincarnation which can only be made less painful by purchasing DLC.
To be honest, this seems like a good game to wait a year or two on for the Complete Edition+ or whatever they name it. =) At the very least the horrid performance of the switch will be improved on.
@@Primalliquid92 bad take. there is no reason for this game to have to look like absolute shit in order to play at a 'decent' framerate. yes we like the game, doesnt mean we have to be all "theres NOTHING wrong with it". Yes there is, the performance is dogshit.
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Now we are talking! My fingers are sore from using the juice bar 255 times over and over.
As a bit of an aside, the JP Wiki says (and I think I've tested) that once a monster hits max level it stops giving more XP, even if you keep pumping stars into it. The 14-5 mobs cap out at 100million-1 XP at 6 star difficulty I think, which makes that a good stopping point, I think? You won't farm as many stats, however.
i dont think this is true, i for sure get more exp on 20 stars than i did on 10 stars, not quite sure where you read this from. Now its true the EXP system is slightly different to previous disgaea games, but i cant imagine they would change this, something which has been a thing in all of them. as a monster hits max level the stars will still increase there stats and such give them additional "invisible" levels to give higher exp
@@Primalliquid92 I just gave it another test just now. At 7 star difficulty, on Rakashka, all the mobs in 14-5R are level 99,999,999. I get 10754T XP at the end, and each character gets about +43T, as I can't quite handle the fight without some stat boosting evilities. At 10 star difficulty, I get 10756T and +43T a fight. 15 star, 10754T and +43T. 20 star still flattens me. Maybe it's the XP formula gets opened up after finishing Rakasha-5, and the game starts expecting you to fight over-level-cap fights? The JP page I'm basing the theory on is "効率の良い周回場所" on "ディスガイア6攻略Wiki."
must be a 20star thing then, because i get over 60T none boosted, if you pause at 11:58 you can see the EXP values, 50T on my thiefs and 60T on mao
I'm pretty sure this is true but it's 7 star
Is there any new method to do karma farm? Btw, I think World is mine and SR Volunteer only work on the killer? And putting the killer as a boot camp squad leader (need prinny hat, and 9 support need to be in the same squad for prinny insturctor to work) boot the level gain of support. The exp gained for support showed on summary still the same (84T, using Mao as killer, using Prinny instructor), but the level gained (from level 1) is 11,472,042 (from 10,301,697, about 11% increase in terms of level, but not sure what is the exp difference).
Why aren't there any videos before getting to this point? You're 1 shotting all these enemies after you reincarnated...my characters aren't anywhere near that strong even at 9,999. This video is for people on another level, not for people who just got to Post lude.
I would love to see you do some videos on Star Ocean games
#ThisGuy
And I have Zed in the elite four squad right now on my copy of the game got to get the Dmerits to boost karma.
Hey, I've been wondering. The evilities you mentioned needing. How do you get them? They didn't show up when I played the demo.
unique characters
@@Primalliquid92 Which one?
Given the update a while back, finding a bit more of that broken Disgaea joy from the actual release vs the demo?
was loving the game until I got up to the point where 4k is the stat cap. 80+ full reincarnations to go from 2k to 4k with doing nothing other that spamming dark assembly and then pressing auto play with nothing in between. yeah not something I'm doing for 10 characters all for 1.6 times the stat lol
How did you remove the levep 9999 level cap :D??? I cant figure out how
You need to beat the story mode and then complete the Dark Assembly bill to unlock Carnage mode. Super reincarnate and when you're at the stats allotment you go to ability and enable unlock level cap
So, Statisticians, is only a single 900 value one applicable to any one character through the equipment, any additional ones just doing nothing, or do maxed out Statisticians stack when putting multiple on a piece of equipment? If not, then I can feel free to put more functionally useful things on them for the characters, to have an easier time.
900 is the cap, who has the the statiticians on needs to be the one to kill monsters though otherwise you wont gain any bonus
@@Primalliquid92 Still, you say Statisticians plural, so should the killing character have multiple 900 value Statisticians on them, or just one? Sorry for being a pain in the neck. ^^;
just 1 stack of 900. anything more than that is useless
@@Primalliquid92 Alright, very good to know. While it is a shame, not being able to amass an insane Experience Point multiplier with a bunch on each character, silver lining is it is nice being able to feel free to have more of a diversity of Innocents across the equipment.
I gotta soon start trying to just blast through and get a build up of Mr. Gency's Exit items, then get to the 100th floor of an item, and start trying to get some nice Unique Innocents from the Item God there.
Not sure how the video and the title mean the same thing here. You got 28,064,126 Karma on your thief in about 2-4 mins here. 28,064,126 * (60/4) is 420,961,890 for the lower end and 841,923,780 karma on the high end. Even if you multiply that by 10 for all the characters involved (9 honestly since zed stayed max level) that still only seems about 8-9b with your example. Is there something I am missing? Obviously 8-9b is still very useful, but 20b+ sounded pretty awesome and I feel a little let down.
your also forgetting the fact this is far slower for video purposes than it would be if you were going as quickly as possible to maxamise gains, if anything 20b is actually more conservative because of just how much slower i went compared to normal
@@Primalliquid92 You didn't tell us how long to do it for tho, you only showed a 2-4 min example and didn't say how long to go for 20b+ unless I missed it. You did mention we didn't want to go all the way to 99m which I understood. I guess I am asking now how long does it need to run for 20b+ and not being too much time?
@@Primalliquid92 99m gives 125m karma right? Even if you could get 125m (all the way up to level 99m) every 5 mins you still couldn't break 2b per hour (15b if you multiply it by 10 for 10 characters).
125,000,000 * (60/5) = 1,500,000,000
1,500,000,000 * 9 = 13,500,000,000
1,500,000,000 * 10 = 15,000,000,000
@@Primalliquid92 Does this require 32x speed or something? Love your videos btw, they have been a great help, but I am just trying to understand.
@@zelow79 at 99m gives you 124,999,998 millon karma for reincarnating, it takes me 1 hour to get to max with the method i use on a different stage and that is with times 32 speed, and skip all is on. Also with no boost tickets.
Since it takes me 1 hour and you need to spend 175m karma to level one stat from 500 to 2000 that for each stat. Once you have unlocked yasha for 500,000,000 karma. It cost 10 billion to get one stat from 2000 to 4000 total 80 billion if you do all. That is 640 reincarnation at 99m.
It will take a long time for me since i dont have nor use boost tickets.
Do unused karma stack up to the next reincarnation or do you go back to zero? I'm currently maxed at 9Million and I need 20Million Karma to unlock the next level cap. my character only has 1Million Karma :(
If you’ve turned in the d-merits for reaching certain Level milestones, then the amount of Karma that one character can hold at a time goes up.
So long as you’re doing that, then they can hold karma between reincarnation.
all that rare evilty are from super reicartnation and there a guide o list of all super reincarnation evilty ?
If you put a character in the ability squad before reincarnating them they earn 5 evilities per reincarnation instead of 1 this way you can get all 90 with way less reincarnations
you mention STOCK PILE that what I need to do for karma
where the hell do you get the fetters evilty?! i've been looking everywhere!
It's one of the late game classes. Can't remember which, but it's a generic class. If you master them all with the juice bar, you'll be able to learn it through the skill shop and then create a bunch of scrolls.
4* Dragons
From dragon...
How do you get the rest of the martial levels? (3 onward)
progressing through carnage mode and rakshasa mode after completing the game
how do you get Genius studier ?
My head hurts 🤕
I got D-merit on two of my characters that will boost karma when I accept it I got it for beating 50 item world enemies but it says if I take it it will go over the cap and I don’t want to waste any so how do I boost the cap?
by doing the level Dmerits
@@Primalliquid92 thanks
How do I get lvl 2 limit break?
You are at max level and the game hasnt even been released here in Canada yet!
i had an advance copy
So I can do the same method but on carnage mode since I'm struggling to get karma to unlock the 99 million level correct ???
Man, you were left in the dark for a week with this question? Well if you didn't get the answer it is yes, you can use carnage mode if you're not strong enough for Raksasha to farm karma to break all the level caps
no matter what I do zed's karma stays at 32 and can only reincarnate to gain 12 mil karma, no matter how many of these gods of destruction I kill. jfc I hate this convoluted karma system so god damn much I can't reach the fucking 20mil needed to break level cap again because THE KARMA NEVER INCREASES
you should have paid attention to the tutorial then, if your karma isnt increasing you likely have not unlocked the Dmerit for it
@@Primalliquid92 maybe they should've programmed a better progression system, i've reinstalled the game, i've had zed solo farm for several hours and still the karma doesnt increase anymore, he's unlocked 80% of the d-merits and already used the 16.5m karma dmerit on one of the reincarnations. the game may as well have softlocked me out of ever progressing into rakshasa which is complete and absolute bs
you do realize you need to reincarnate to get karma right?... solo farming a stage wont give you any. you need to get levels and then reincarnate
@@Primalliquid92 12,499,998 karma for reincarnating at 9,999,999 isnt going to get me anywhere when the number in the upper right part of the screen doesn't want to increase beyond 282 and nothing is telling me why that is happening.
How do you get world is mine
How do you set 3000 on EXP in the Cheat Shop my Max amount is 500?
complete postgame missions
@Primalliquid who had the Karma evilitie? it may be no good for Fast Karma but AFK Karma on the other hand. or overnight Karma. that i can use. what it called and who has it.
Fuuka iirc
Pleinair, a DLC character who isn't out yet. Not sure the official translated name is, but it is her last evility.
It's almost noon when does the game release.
when the eshop updates because nintendo are arseholes and only release 1st party titles at midnight like pokemon and mario
What is your Evility build on Zed to make him so potent?
i show it off in the video, its just straight up exp boosting ones
@@Primalliquid92 I see that now, must be gear and capacity that's put him way beyond my power scale, haha.
im not seeing SR Volunteer or fetters on my uniques and i have the season pass. SR Volunteer really sounds like a raspberyl evility though.
SR is from melioda (or beiko/marjolene cant remember which) and i think fetters is just generic
SR is from Asagi
Fetters is from dragon.
Who gives the corrosion evility? or is it a SR gained evility?
100% Dmerits required
@@Primalliquid92 thank you!
got any guides for class mastery? it totally sucks
buy it from juice bar
I tried your setup but only getting 27 trillion exp for some reason
then your missing something, check all the evilities again
@@Primalliquid92 nah I checked em 100% I think my game is broken. I get the same exp for 9 stars and 20 stars.
What is the evility that gives small amounts of karma and who has it?
Pleinair gets it, she's decided and not available til ch 3 or 4
The amount is Tom small to matter, don't waste your time with it
Exp gain only works on the character who kills
thiis game is not TRPG is just tactical manager pro..
where do you get those evilities for exp?
super reincarnation and evility scrolls from some unique characters
Nice ghank you
Karma is one of the worst additions they made to this game, maybe not in theory but at least with how it was implemented.
Getting a max of 125m Karma for max level when it costs 5m for a single stat point over 2,000 is just needlessly brutal, Disgaea has always had an obsession when it comes to grinding, but it at least felt like you were making progress before, with Karma farming it just feels like you should be doing something else instead.
Sorry i have to defend it here, the PROPER min max grinds to achieve the absolute limit of stats in disgaea has ALWAYS been brutal af, Karma actually isnt that bad compared to some of the other stuff, look at completely maxing out in D5... that takes longer lol (although you do have the benefit of duping gear in that one)
@@Primalliquid92 It just feels like they forgot to add a major feature in regards to Karma. You can hold a max of 999 billion Karma, yet when you reincarnate 100 times or even kill 100k enemies, the D-merit is only worth 10 million Karma, which if you've completed one of those d-merits 10m Karma is so little it's actually irrelevant. This results in the entire Karma system feeling unfinished and more tedious than it probably should because the only option is mindless reincarnation which can only be made less painful by purchasing DLC.
Yeah so the switch wonxt let me play the game!
its nintendo's stupid policy, you have to wait for the eshop update
@@Primalliquid92 when does the eshop update?
To be honest, this seems like a good game to wait a year or two on for the Complete Edition+ or whatever they name it. =)
At the very least the horrid performance of the switch will be improved on.
there is no horrid performance, the game has a performance mode which has 0 issues
@@Primalliquid92 and looks ugly as sin =)
Their company literally survives game to game. So keep that in mind when you hold off on supporting them.
@@Primalliquid92 bad take. there is no reason for this game to have to look like absolute shit in order to play at a 'decent' framerate.
yes we like the game, doesnt mean we have to be all "theres NOTHING wrong with it". Yes there is, the performance is dogshit.