So important to let people like Josie express their genuine pain and frustration about the attacks on Corbyn and Labour. The hypocrisy of the Guardian claiming to care about Climate Change and yet doing their best to smear someone who might have made a difference is sickening. It's terrifying to think The Guardian doesn't know the difference between an actual existential threat like climate change and a smear campaign they took part in.
Yes the "Guardian" is NOT the Guardian of yesteryear( e.g. It's constant smearing of anyone who questions the "vaccine" narrative) ..how much this is to do with Bill Gates putting large amounts of money it's way.....!
I completely agree. People certainly showed their true colours. The supposedly progressive writers in the Guardian said nothing about their employers attacks on the Corbyn project and not only failed to call out the antisemitism BS, but were complicit in it.
A really entertaining exchange, thanks both I enjoyed it. Like Josie I am still processing the grief. I am one of those ageing retirees who was filled with a new energy 2015-2019. It was a wonderful adventure, but I don't think I'll ever get over the sheer vitriol our idealism provoked in so many. I hate England now.
I can vividly remember the look on Jon Snow's face when Corbyn was elected as leader: the sneer, the rictus of disgust and fear. With an actual socialist leading the Labour Party, suddenly in contrast Snow wasn't the progressive liberal hip-cat he saw himself to be - and he knew it and really didn't like the process of being shown to himself. I was subsequently amazed by the display of mental and philosophical gymnastics he had to perform in order to regain his illusory position.
I was delighted to hear Josie talk about how much she loved Alexei’s books and first hearing his voice extended into many imaginary worlds. I felt exactly the same way. ❤️
I first met Josie working on a little relatively insignificant comedy fringe. I'm always so impressed with what a fabulous energy she brings. This is a great listen.
Kind of comforting to hear Josie Long talk about how shocked she was about comedians she had looked up to and thought were left wing turning on Jeremy Corbyn so viciously. I feel like if anyone would have known beforehand she would.
@@andrewburridge5958 You know very well no one who listens to Alexei Sayle seriously gives a flying fuck about your attempts to keep weaponising anti-Semitism against Jeremy Corbyn.
I think the right wing of the LP also really don’t like being beaten and they don’t like being wrong (even though they are often both beaten and wrong). They particularly didn’t like being beaten by someone so gentle while they are venal bullies by nature. All of their arguments about why they couldn’t support Corbyn’s leadership were shown to be completely baseless; they couldn’t take that either.
Please Josie DON’T take the medicine you mentioned. Josie I’ve always really liked the sound of your voice ever since you appeared on the comedy scene and after listening to this podcast I really like the words you make with your voice, your values are to be greatly admired. We had New Labour now it seems we have Blue Labour, I think you should run for leadership of True Labour. I hope your new baby sleeps soundly for you and your partner. Alexei and Talal, thanks for another brilliant chat and please can you forward this message on to our comrade Josie. Cheerz. P E A C E : )
My politics are somewhat different from these two, but I love this discussion. Great honesty and fun. I admire that Alexei still clings to his revolutionary agenda, when in truth he’s a grumpy but lovable teddy bear.
A while ago the issue of comedians attacking Corbyn’s leadership was raised. I’d really like to hear this issue looked at at length. Can I suggest that Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You get looked at as well as R4 comedy panel shows.
Wasn't Alexei's first novel 'Train To Hell'? I remember reading this book back in the nineties and falling off my chair. Why so coy? Loved listening to Josie Long who I only know from the radio. I thought she sounded like a good sort on the wireless and hearing her speak here has confirmed this. 👍🏼
It could be very well worthwhile that Alexei talks to someone from the Jewish Community and see why they weren't more vocal about antisemitism in the labour party. Jews have constantly been calling out the right for antisemitism and the reason why it was a hot topic is because they did not expect to feel it from the left. The non apologies of "I'm sorry you feel that there is antisemitism but there isn't " from corbyn was fairly disappointing. Also the fan base of younger generations did not understand that socialism would need them to contribute for everyone to have a better life. They merely thought that things could be improved for impoverished people and their lives would be exactly the same or better.
You can't be a socialist and want to stay in the EU. The EU is a neoliberal institution by design, it is not a bug. The reason JC was pro-Brexit was because he was a socialist. The reason middle-class activists were so against Brexit was because they are not socialists at heart; they do not hate neoliberalism as such, but hate the kind of neoliberalism that isn't working for them. The reason JC lost that election was because there was a pact of class interests between the right of the party and the activist base which led to the ridiculous Brexit position Labour took. It wasn't the media, it wasn't an overwhelming bias - had Labour backed Brexit whole-heartedly and put forth a strong vision of a socialist future, there is no doubt in my mind they'd have won. No amount of media bias and right-wing hate could have come close to the damage the activist base did to Corbyn's chances of winning that election. This is what the membership of the party really need to process and have a long hard think about.
"In every (...) community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the Liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects, ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic..."
How Josie expresses her feelings about the campaign against Corbyn is pretty similar to how I feel about the very similar attacks against Scottish independence with the same lies and vitriol and media complicity in 2014 and beyond. It's particularly upsetting to see people who are grassroots Labour support being unable to see how similar these fights were/are and being led into passionate defense of the UK establishment when that exact same establishment opposes everything they stand for. The way Corbyn and the independence referendum were treated has led me to believe that you cannot pretend to be on the left and support the continuation of the UK. It will never ever allow itself to be reformed and Scotland, Wales, NI and the north of England all need to abandon westminster. I look forward to a productive and friendly scandinavian style relationship with all our formerly British neighbours.
@@anthonygreen7063 No, but the vast majority are. Also, while I accept the fact that that there are some arguments in favour of brexit, left wing voting to leave the EU while a right wing Tory government was in power was an astonishingly stupid thing to do.
Alexei should go out on the campaign trail for a socialist left wing party he would connect with all my fellow working class voters and people he can win an election for the left
The question to ask is, do people with ADHD sit through their A-Levels at selective girls' grammar schools and then get a degree from Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford?
My frustration with the whole Corbyn episode is that it offered the illusion that the LP has revolutionary potential. It hasn't. Put your energy into grassroots activism, comrades! On a side note, I had no idea until recently that Andrew Lawrence is such a reactionary. Having looked at his recent FB posts, I see he's dropped his "apolitical" pose and gone full Trump
The Labour Party is dead isn't it? Because of what happened to Jeremy Corbyn we saw what the LP really is institutionally. A new Left party is needed surely, to give a home to those that felt inspired by Corbyn, the thousands that joined Momentum and thousands of others disgusted by the behavior of the media and the right wing Labour Party.
The big problem with Corbyn is he came across as humorless and couldn't explain his ideas without being patronizing or a right wingers cliche of a left winger and was too easy to paint as a kind of Citizen smith figure. Johnson gets away without having any political views, which one would think would be necessary for a politician, just with a clown persona. Indeed like Corbyn he had the whole of the conservative media against him as well as the conservative party who is a rare moment of judgement thought he was a charlatan. Yet despite this he knew how to play the lovable fool that the conservative party voters like and knew how to undermine the party itself. This lack of self-awareness and understanding how to present yourself is ironically exactly the same problem Starmer has who seem oblivious he comes across like the cliche of the arrogant career politician who thinks the public are an career irritation on the road to the power they owe him. Yet I think Starmer is a great think for the Left of the Labour party as he will be a failure and anyone on the left who can survive his Stalinist purges will have the political skill to win an election.
The big problem with Corbyn was that all of the mainstream media was against him and presented him as humourless. But hey, that's the capitalist democracy we live in. Even being up against that and the CLP and the LP bureaucracy he achieved the biggest increase in the % of the vote since '45.
@@mci6830 Jaw jaw is better than war war. JC reached out to those who were marginalised (like Irish republicans) because he realised without them there would be no peace. It shows great judgement. Surely you've looked into all this though and done your research before commenting?
@@Fredders88 Yes I've had a look and , in my opinion, the jury is still out. It depends on your political religion what you want to believe. I'm neither left or right. I'm not a big fan of the guardian either. Mine is an objective view. He didn't get elected. It didn't help.
It's great to hear Josie speaking of our grief.
I think we all think we are alone in it.
Cheers.
So important to let people like Josie express their genuine pain and frustration about the attacks on Corbyn and Labour. The hypocrisy of the Guardian claiming to care about Climate Change and yet doing their best to smear someone who might have made a difference is sickening. It's terrifying to think The Guardian doesn't know the difference between an actual existential threat like climate change and a smear campaign they took part in.
Yes the "Guardian" is NOT the Guardian of yesteryear( e.g. It's constant smearing of anyone who questions the "vaccine" narrative) ..how much this is to do with Bill Gates putting large amounts of money it's way.....!
I completely agree. People certainly showed their true colours.
The supposedly progressive writers in the Guardian said nothing about their employers attacks on the Corbyn project and not only failed to call out the antisemitism BS, but were complicit in it.
A really entertaining exchange, thanks both I enjoyed it. Like Josie I am still processing the grief. I am one of those ageing retirees who was filled with a new energy 2015-2019. It was a wonderful adventure, but I don't think I'll ever get over the sheer vitriol our idealism provoked in so many. I hate England now.
In a world that routinely feels completely corrupt and crazy; hearing Alexei and Josie on this topic is deeply therapeutic. Thank you.
I can vividly remember the look on Jon Snow's face when Corbyn was elected as leader: the sneer, the rictus of disgust and fear. With an actual socialist leading the Labour Party, suddenly in contrast Snow wasn't the progressive liberal hip-cat he saw himself to be - and he knew it and really didn't like the process of being shown to himself. I was subsequently amazed by the display of mental and philosophical gymnastics he had to perform in order to regain his illusory position.
Some of the most vile attacks on corbyn was from Channel 4 news
Josie Long...You make me happy!
I was delighted to hear Josie talk about how much she loved Alexei’s books and first hearing his voice extended into many imaginary worlds. I felt exactly the same way. ❤️
I first met Josie working on a little relatively insignificant comedy fringe. I'm always so impressed with what a fabulous energy she brings. This is a great listen.
Another great podcast!
As usual I agreed the f*ck out of everything Alexei says.
Josie was really great.
Awesome work all!
Kind of comforting to hear Josie Long talk about how shocked she was about comedians she had looked up to and thought were left wing turning on Jeremy Corbyn so viciously. I feel like if anyone would have known beforehand she would.
@@andrewburridge5958 You know very well no one who listens to Alexei Sayle seriously gives a flying fuck about your attempts to keep weaponising anti-Semitism against Jeremy Corbyn.
Boyle shocked me
@@adampeters7947 Me to, so many did. He hasn't walked back on that yet, and still gets lauded as anti-establishment, it's so dispiriting.
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It's one thing to see a comic die on stage. Quite another to see on a comic's *soul* die on stage.
Toxic slime on fire is an anagram of Kier Starmer. Solidarity to Alexei and Josie.
thanks for this Josie and Alexei
I think the right wing of the LP also really don’t like being beaten and they don’t like being wrong (even though they are often both beaten and wrong). They particularly didn’t like being beaten by someone so gentle while they are venal bullies by nature.
All of their arguments about why they couldn’t support Corbyn’s leadership were shown to be completely baseless; they couldn’t take that either.
Please Josie DON’T take the medicine you mentioned. Josie I’ve always really liked the sound of your voice ever since you appeared on the comedy scene and after listening to this podcast I really like the words you make with your voice, your values are to be greatly admired. We had New Labour now it seems we have Blue Labour, I think you should run for leadership of True Labour. I hope your new baby sleeps soundly for you and your partner. Alexei and Talal, thanks for another brilliant chat and please can you forward this message on to our comrade Josie. Cheerz.
P E A C E : )
Woo hoo! Looking forward to this one :) ... Am I the first commenter as well? Alexei I LOVE YOU!!
Well done for being first
@@alexwood3251 It feels like a special moment, I'd like to thank my mum and Jesus.... Thank you everyone.
My politics are somewhat different from these two, but I love this discussion. Great honesty and fun. I admire that Alexei still clings to his revolutionary agenda, when in truth he’s a grumpy but lovable teddy bear.
Interesting, reaffirming and entertaining!
Brilliant
very enjoyable. Alexei, have you ever voted for a winning party at a general election? I haven't and now at the age of 44 I find this quite wearing.
Consolation prize is finding out the losing party you voted for was right all along.
@@easytoassemble54321 thanks for the thought, but no, no it isn't.
A while ago the issue of comedians attacking Corbyn’s leadership was raised. I’d really like to hear this issue looked at at length.
Can I suggest that Mock the Week and Have I Got News For You get looked at as well as R4 comedy panel shows.
Ooh fellow Orpingtonite leftie :) great podcast
" The soup was adequate..."
Supposedly said Albert Einstien
Wasn't Alexei's first novel 'Train To Hell'? I remember reading this book back in the nineties and falling off my chair. Why so coy? Loved listening to Josie Long who I only know from the radio. I thought she sounded like a good sort on the wireless and hearing her speak here has confirmed this. 👍🏼
I loved the bullets
It could be very well worthwhile that Alexei talks to someone from the Jewish Community and see why they weren't more vocal about antisemitism in the labour party.
Jews have constantly been calling out the right for antisemitism and the reason why it was a hot topic is because they did not expect to feel it from the left.
The non apologies of "I'm sorry you feel that there is antisemitism but there isn't " from corbyn was fairly disappointing.
Also the fan base of younger generations did not understand that socialism would need them to contribute for everyone to have a better life. They merely thought that things could be improved for impoverished people and their lives would be exactly the same or better.
I will never forgive those MPs in the Labour Party for the time I wasted campaigning...just for them to shit on Corbyn and the membership.
You can't be a socialist and want to stay in the EU. The EU is a neoliberal institution by design, it is not a bug.
The reason JC was pro-Brexit was because he was a socialist. The reason middle-class activists were so against Brexit was because they are not socialists at heart; they do not hate neoliberalism as such, but hate the kind of neoliberalism that isn't working for them.
The reason JC lost that election was because there was a pact of class interests between the right of the party and the activist base which led to the ridiculous Brexit position Labour took. It wasn't the media, it wasn't an overwhelming bias - had Labour backed Brexit whole-heartedly and put forth a strong vision of a socialist future, there is no doubt in my mind they'd have won.
No amount of media bias and right-wing hate could have come close to the damage the activist base did to Corbyn's chances of winning that election. This is what the membership of the party really need to process and have a long hard think about.
"In every (...) community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the Liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects, ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic..."
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How Josie expresses her feelings about the campaign against Corbyn is pretty similar to how I feel about the very similar attacks against Scottish independence with the same lies and vitriol and media complicity in 2014 and beyond. It's particularly upsetting to see people who are grassroots Labour support being unable to see how similar these fights were/are and being led into passionate defense of the UK establishment when that exact same establishment opposes everything they stand for. The way Corbyn and the independence referendum were treated has led me to believe that you cannot pretend to be on the left and support the continuation of the UK. It will never ever allow itself to be reformed and Scotland, Wales, NI and the north of England all need to abandon westminster. I look forward to a productive and friendly scandinavian style relationship with all our formerly British neighbours.
At least you know how us Left Brexiteers feel. Not all Leave voters are racist Little Englanders.
@@anthonygreen7063 No, but the vast majority are. Also, while I accept the fact that that there are some arguments in favour of brexit, left wing voting to leave the EU while a right wing Tory government was in power was an astonishingly stupid thing to do.
When's the next 'I can't deal with the bullying of Jeremy Corbyn' podcast? Can't wait.
She is
Settled down to hear all about her role as Manda Best in Eastenders. Not a word.
isnt that film a book?
Yes! That was mentioned in the original recording but I had to edit it out due to sound issues.
Alexei should go out on the campaign trail for a socialist left wing party he would connect with all my fellow working class voters and people he can win an election for the left
Trolling on line effects me more coz I've got ADHD = bollox
Other than that great conversation
The question to ask is, do people with ADHD sit through their A-Levels at selective girls' grammar schools and then get a degree from Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford?
@David H Well...in Josie Long's case, English Literature. A lot of reading, a lot of essays.
My frustration with the whole Corbyn episode is that it offered the illusion that the LP has revolutionary potential. It hasn't. Put your energy into grassroots activism, comrades! On a side note, I had no idea until recently that Andrew Lawrence is such a reactionary. Having looked at his recent FB posts, I see he's dropped his "apolitical" pose and gone full Trump
The Labour Party has lost working people, so gotta look elsewhere for the ‘revolution’ .
Josie Long is talented and likable but she did go to a selective modern and then Oxford. So not so underprivalidged.
Would you prefer it if she'd pulled the ladder up behind her?
The Labour Party is dead isn't it? Because of what happened to Jeremy Corbyn we saw what the LP really is institutionally. A new Left party is needed surely, to give a home to those that felt inspired by Corbyn, the thousands that joined Momentum and thousands of others disgusted by the behavior of the media and the right wing Labour Party.
There was a party. It was called Left Unity, and was set up by Ken Loach.
The big problem with Corbyn is he came across as humorless and couldn't explain his ideas without being patronizing or a right wingers cliche of a left winger and was too easy to paint as a kind of Citizen smith figure.
Johnson gets away without having any political views, which one would think would be necessary for a politician, just with a clown persona. Indeed like Corbyn he had the whole of the conservative media against him as well as the conservative party who is a rare moment of judgement thought he was a charlatan. Yet despite this he knew how to play the lovable fool that the conservative party voters like and knew how to undermine the party itself.
This lack of self-awareness and understanding how to present yourself is ironically exactly the same problem Starmer has who seem oblivious he comes across like the cliche of the arrogant career politician who thinks the public are an career irritation on the road to the power they owe him.
Yet I think Starmer is a great think for the Left of the Labour party as he will be a failure and anyone on the left who can survive his Stalinist purges will have the political skill to win an election.
@@mci6830 But that's bo11ox isn't it?
The big problem with Corbyn was that all of the mainstream media was against him and presented him as humourless. But hey, that's the capitalist democracy we live in. Even being up against that and the CLP and the LP bureaucracy he achieved the biggest increase in the % of the vote since '45.
@@Fredders88 I'm not so sure it is. Some of the things he did over the decades suggest otherwise. At the very least, it shows poor judgement. .
@@mci6830 Jaw jaw is better than war war. JC reached out to those who were marginalised (like Irish republicans) because he realised without them there would be no peace. It shows great judgement. Surely you've looked into all this though and done your research before commenting?
@@Fredders88 Yes I've had a look and , in my opinion, the jury is still out. It depends on your political religion what you want to believe. I'm neither left or right. I'm not a big fan of the guardian either. Mine is an objective view. He didn't get elected. It didn't help.