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F-35 Pilot: "I reached for the radar and there was NONE!"
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- The F-35 sensors are completely automated. The management is automatic and they give the F-35 an important edge on may other aircraft.
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New F-35 crash!!!!
Thought you might find this interesting! I came across this a few hours ago! I can't believe how they're even talking about this! The new crew even interviewed the pilots boss! I fell over laughing when they said if neighbors find pieces of the plane to call and turn it in.
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Don't forget the helmet display give the illusion that YOU are flying, that is the point of view you would have if YOU were the aircraft!
I really do [always] love your videos.
it's even _adorable_ when you showed _ALL 5_ of the CUTTING EDGE SOFTWARE DEVS ON A MILITARY PLATFORM as members of "groups which demand UNEQUAL OPPORTUNITY." Making it LAW that w lower scores? They're RELIABLY selected over asians or cauc... (yet still have lower grades if they pass, and, far lower rates of graduation). In fact, it's going up before the SCOTUS this year! It's an asian girl (whites can't be discriminated against so it would require one) vs Harvard and Georgia Tech I think ... on race-based admissions.
Great video (as usual). Something interesting is the fact that Swedish pilots rejected the touch screen and kept the MFD's in the Swedish version of the Grippen E, unlike the Brazilians. I spoke personally with one of the developers of the Grippen E and asked why Swedish pilots prefer MFD over the touch screen. He said that the pilots were unanimous in the sense that they felt way less focus on a sensor when they need it with the big screen. I can see the point! That's exactly why the Rafale has that centered MFD!!!
I could be wrong but I think they have changed their mind again because the Gripen E's delivered to the Swedish ariforce will have the widescreen display.
Also, people have a psychological bias towards what they are familiar with. MFDS are a known quantity that they have trained with. Touchscreens are not. Not saying they are wrong, but familiarity is comfortable, and novelty can be suspicious.
the Swedes are always right in about everything concerning armaments, from carl gustaf to sterling engine submarines!
Thank you. Nice summation of features that you have previously alluded to and, as usual, simple clear examples to illustrate your points. I look forward to the next/last video in this series. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Love your channel man, it's nice to have unbiased straight forward analysis in this day and age
You're never gonna beat Space Invaders by hiding behind the barriers M7! you gotta move & shoot ;)
There's some fancy tricks woven into this as well... For example, obtaining tracks with an active sensor, but immediately handing them off to passive tracking, while avoiding sending active signals in the direction of the target. It takes LPI sensor tech to an all new level. Also, while the tracks are updated every second or so, the plane has a 'sense of 3D space' within that, which is continuously updated. So the orientation of the aircraft within the track-map is updated in miliseconds rather than seconds. This allows the HMDS to work like VR in real time without (noticeable) lag, AND offers AIM-120D's a purely synthetic track/lock/intercept capability to within a very close proximity to a target.
@@kathrynck so does this allow the AIM120s to fly without active radar towards a target, until the last moments? That's nuts and awesome
@@oaks348 you mean without the f35 using its ownship radar?
@@oaks348 this does happen with the Rafale. With its radar shut down it can send a meteor missile with also its small radar off. The Rafale tracks the target with either laser track or microwaves and directs the missile towards the target constantly. When the missile reaches at its last kilometres away turns on its radar locks onto the target and BAM it impacts the target. Of course the pilot if it is a plane the target hears the last seconds the tone of the missile lock by its aircraft systems but does not have the time to react sufficiently and most of it effectively.
@@oaks348 Yes.
The missiles can be guided in a synthetic manner, following a track with any number of passive sensors on the F-35, or even data sent to the F-35 from other sources. Other F-35's, ground assets, awacs, satellite, etc. In the final approach, the missile's radar goes active to deliver the pinpoint accuracy needed. The radar is a hydrid of radar + "home on jam", so turning on a jammer will lead it to its target as well.
Chaff 'may' work. Radar homing missiles aren't susceptible to "dazzlers" either. Jamming the data link is a possibility, but that also gives the missile something to home in on, and the data link is extremely directional, so it's difficult to intercept, spoof, or interfere with.
The F-22 (and really all planes using an internal weapons bay) can do something similar. Synthetic lock is needed to fire from an internal bay where the missile's seeker can only see the inside of the bay. But the F-35's extensive sensor suite, networking capability, and compute power, HMDS, make it able to employ this much better than other aircraft. You can be doing wild loops in the F-35, and the computer will keep giving the missile an upside-up accurate path to a target.
Also, while doing loops, the computer's ability to keep track of the target in space allows it to avoid sending radar emissions into a narrow cone around the target. You can pan the target with the nose of the F-35, with the radar on, and it'll just avoid sending radar emissions into the spot where the target is, so as to remain more subtle.
IF the missile has enough energy (if the target is close enough), then even the respective orientations & positions of the two aircraft doesn't matter. Part of why the F-35 favors the AIM-120D's and doesn't often carry the AIM-9's (which have less energy). The AIM-9X's can do something similar, (had to be upgraded to work from the internal bays of F-22's 25 years ago). But AIM-9 has less range & energy, and is much more limited in trying to shoot down a plane which is behind the launch aircraft. AIM-120 is fairly compact and not all that heavy, so there's really no reason to use the AIM-9's in the F-35. Well, other than price.
F-22 is getting "some" upgrades to get more caught up with the F-35 (funding approved almost a year ago). But it won't be quite as good at this sort of thing. Doesn't have the compute to turn sensor fusion & data link into quite as fancy of a 3D virtual model of the battle space.
F-35 is stupid-dangerous without even touching the stealth topic. And people said 8 billion lines of code was crazy ;)
This is a very important and interesting topic. This kind of A.I. will probably be a criteria for future, 6th Gen fighters and will have a huge impact on air superiority.
But this is going also to be a requirement for anti air systems and radars. We will see, who will have a better idea and solution for their doctrine.
I love these videos.
Watching them is like getting in to a pair of hand made fur lined moccasins after a hard day in work boots.
Pairs great with a sunny morning and a hot cup of joe.
@@sean70729 damned right!!
Honestly, the sensors really are the most impressive part of the F-35. The stealth is impressive, yes, but there are other aircraft that are also stealth. The weapons, the flexibility, that's all impressive, but there are lots of other aircraft that can do that.
There is no other aircraft in the world, however, that can do your taxes and maximize your refund _and_ effectively filter spam out of your inbox while on a combat mission.
And _that_ is REAL, *ULTIMATE* power!
False! Gripen can. Do someone know if Rafale can?
@@atlet1 Ok, I'm willing to accept that a Gripen can do taxes, but managing my inbox? It's a highly mobile multirole fighter jet, not a supercomputer.
@@PhycoKrusk lol
What is most impressive about the F35, in MY opinion, is HOW it combines all of these capabilities into an single easily operable machine. Yes, other aircraft have some sensor fusion, but this aircraft takes the concept to a seemingly whole new level. Native Stealth design is good but it is the sophisticated RCS management/planning systems onboard which leverage the native stealth to new levels, it's relative kinematic tactical performance, which is far better than the average person has been led to believe, continues to radically surprise and evolve as it's operational doctrine has been refined. Put all of this in a single platform and it represents a strategic leap against it's peers. ALL OF THAT SAID, we must always remember that it is designed to operate in the confines of USAF doctrine to facilitate offsetting it's weaknesses (WHICH ALL AIRCRAFT HAVE). The F35 appears to be a formidable tool, but a tool, that must be used in the right way by the right operators. I will close by saying that living in the city where the F35 is manufactured, much is said in hushed tones about the existence of capabilities of the F35 which are simply NOT talked about in the public domain. WHO KNOWS if there is ANY truth to that whatsoever, but I am sure that all new aircraft have their secrets (good and bad), and the F35 is likely to have a trick or two up it's sleeve.... as I am sure other aircraft do as well. The future may tell. Thanks to @Millennium 7 * for peaking our curiosity !!
@@PhycoKrusk false! It's a super computer in a superior fighter aircraft.
Very informative. Looking forward to the 4th video to put everything into perspective. Thank you. Stray thought, this kind of AI is going to be invaluable to future Air Defence systems as well….
With such sensors providing more and more information, such automation is necessary in an ever more complex environment.
Most informative M7.
This assumes the sensors and algorithms are functioning properly. We already know that the F35 software has been forced. Don't forget that the entire F35 fleet was grounded a couple months ago for hardware flaws. In a real conflict where the opponent can actually shoot your aircraft down (i.e.,a conflict that's not against guys with AKs and sandals) the aircraft of choice will be the F16 for many reasons. One of the top reasons will be proven software and hardware.
I have seen a static simulator, with a big screen, and it appears to be much easier to fly than would be expected.
Please could you do some videos on experimental aircraft. You have great knowledge on aerodynamics and lift. I would like to see maybe something like the xf103 or the x31 which looks like a baby typhoon. Maybe military turboprops vs turbofans in efficiency, distance and lift.
I have heard that M-346 are used to train pilots for F-35; they also have the "big screen" like the F-35
Good general comments here but I would add a couple of things; F-35 has a number of classified systems that are not in the public domain. For instance the Radar can be used offensively. It has deployable decoys and jamming (lesser degree on non US models which is denied but evidence exists ???). It can through sensor fusion with its own systems and others track 250,000 + units ie ground vehicles, buildings, aircraft and missile launches etc and track and update in real time to the C3 common command picture. It can hand over or take over missile tracking and command eg loyal wingman drone fires a missile to a target the F-35 selects, F-35 fires missile to target without its radar on but using Loyal wingman drone radar illumination!. These capabilities are all non confirmed but exist on other platforms or were stated as originally intended goals of other programs which were included in the original F-35 brief.
Thank you.
Cool video
I guess it's an evolutionary process. Wether we speak about a Tigermoth or an F35, the pilot has to accomplish a mission with whatever means he has at its proposal. And the F35 has so many sensors and weaponry, it has become impossible for a pilot to manage them all. So it was as much as possible automated.
But automation is nothing new. Think about the mechanical computers aboard the WWII bombers.
Yup, did enjoy :)
Damn I love your videos!
Man that is brilliant how the thing does the thing. What's that red heads number?
That seems a lot of sensors and intelligent programming for a fighter that - when maintaining a low observable profile - does not pack many missiles. I imagine therefore the in flight data link also has some form of target prioritization and assignment algorithm within the flight (or the flight lead has that ability manually), so that no two or three aircraft target the same single threat in order not to waste ordnance.
Pilots pick a target- once done then everyone else knows instantly. So it's like buying a concert ticket- once choosen, then others know and don't have to use radio to talk as to who taken what target. It's like on-line booking. Much better system since then Pilots don't go after the same target- they pick another that no one is dealing with yet.
Don't forget that the intent of the F-35 sensor fusion is to be able to provide targeting data to other non-stealthy airframes that can be at safe standoff distances from the ao. That's why the Air Force has been investigating missile truck variants of existing designs for decades, finally settling on the F-15EX. Take a look at the B-1 R, for instance.
@@felixu95 Yes, that's a valid point. But then again, looking at the number of F-35s in the order books right now, that's an awful lot of fuzed sensors and little payload in the LO-configuration. I Imagine that less F-35s might have been sufficient and that more, newer models of less expensive gen 4++ fighters or more loyal wingman kind of payload carriers might have been sufficient. In other words: it looks to me as sensory overkill and too little punch in the LO configuration.
The F-35 can of course carry considerably more in beast mode, but operating like that also seems too much capital investment for something that a 4th gen fighter could do as well against substantially lower cost.
That's not meant as criticism on the F-35 itself however, more about the economy of having large numbers of 5th gen when - at the moment at least - there's hardly any competition on the horizon.
that "little payload" is still more than enough for the missions it needs to do when stealthy. and it can always be loaded up with way more than the f15 can carry while still being stealthier then the f15. its just not AS stealthy as possible when packing enough munitions to dissolve a small country
@@Pincer88 That limited payload is going to expand as time goes by and missiles/bombs get smaller (which is needed given internal payloads are becoming the norm) .
I've heard F-35 could soon carry 6 AM-120 internally... and many companies are working on smaller alternatives that could allow a F-35 to carry from 8 to 12 air-to-air missiles internally (Peregrine from Raytheon, CUDA by Lockheed Martin,...)
Worked on these sensors and radar systems. Very integrated and powerful systems on F35s
BWI?
You should make a video on the Boeing 818 TFX
Alright, now I really want to hear what you think is down that rabbit hole at 7.49.
Sounds good ... if it works.
It will get hacked.
Or the fucking screen will blank out.
On your "taking out the bridge" scenario, you're still going to want to gain Air Superiority first by taking out the SAM sites, or at least the radars. The F-35 by itself doesn't really carry the payload to take out large structures like bridges. It will leave that to more capable heavy hitters.
the f35 can just ditch its stealth (welll...some of the stealth) and carry external. then its carruing more than other fighters. and can dight the gear and go stealth if needed.
A F-35 is likely to work with F-22 (and then NGAD or FA/XX) & B-21.
It can either carry heavy bombs (in limited quantities) or spot the target for a stealth bomber... while carrying 8 small diameter glide bombs to target air defence systems.
Those F16's 6:03, absolute bosses.
Hows there ejection seat problems going ?
Fixed in a few days
Please do a video explaining the air defense systems
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I know that this is off topic but it is something that I think is very important in modern battle space going foward. The war in Ukrain has demonstrated, yet again, ihe importance of close air support, on both sides the Su 25 has prooved itself many times and we have witnissed how the depletion of the Ukrainian force of Su 25's has resulted in heavy losses in their ground offences that could have been significantly reduced with effective CAS.
Both the Russian Su 25 and the US A 10 are formidable but ageing warplanes, the Ukraine war has demonstrated that a new generation CAS aircraft that can be produced in significant numbers and be effective in the modern battle space is required in both countries.
It would be interesting to see a summary of the Su 25 deployment through the progress of the war on both sides with an objective overview of the Su 25's effectiveness.
It is a complex subject. We will discuss it at some point. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech +That would be fascinating. I have a feeling modern warfare is evolving rapidly in Ukraine, both tactically and strategically, both Russia and NATO are learing a great deal about each other and themselves!
What's the music at 2:11, 4:26 and 7:58 ? Very uplifting music !
It is just stock music from Storyblocks. Nothing available commercially.
You did videos about f-35, j-20, su-57 and the list goes on but when the time will come to tf-x project
Did they ever integrate multiple rocket launch detection into the F-35?
The DAS does the job
@@Millennium7HistoryTech cheers
to me the body of F 35 closely resembles that of sparrow.. just an observation
Can I select my own cursor?
This is not new. It have been in use in the Swedish air force airplanes for 60 years. Although primitive back in the 1960th. The modern form have been used for 44 years and is in a very advanced version in Gripen E. The entire Swedish armed force are networked in to this kind of system today.
In fact you may have noticed a Gripen flashing by at some point.
F-35 knows what it can do because it knows what it can't do.
Is continuous satellite data fed to the F35?
Where is Waldo? The F35 offers a solution to a problem plaguing shooters ever since it became possible to link data between platforms. Determining the exact position of a target even when one of your platforms has a solid track on it is a far more complicated problem than can be easily appreciated by those who haven't sat behind a fire control system. There is an error inherent in every sensor. Compound that with the positional error inherent in every platform. Compound that with update frequency. Motions of the target, detection platform, engaging platform (if different) and time lag make for a real mess. The solutions used to solve this problem could make for an interesting documentary. In fact, only fairly recently has the technology been deployed to reliably ascertain the exact position occupied by a friendly platform. Start with continuous wave illumination and end with the F35.
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I read about the first sensor fusion in 1987 or 1989 and it was for the MiG 31 aircraft. This is what they want to apply to the F 35 today.
Except, Mig-31 wouldn't have known what hits it when facing F-35
@@crumcon russian radars can see stealth, and missile P-37 has range two times more than F35 air-to-air missiles. Sorry, but no chance for F35
It's come a long way since then.
Yeah the cheaper solution already find by soviet strategies with ground radar/war station pointing n select target for warplane like on SR71 or U2 intercept case.. but this solution suit for defense think-tank .. for agressor side not so, its to costly for each war plane suit with this fusion, even AWACS not the best solution when fighting not 3rd gen country
@@user-lm3so2qd9c seeing and targeting are two different things.
Feeding the algorithm and Otis.
just let ai handle the details so that the pilot can focus on job,
like ai reducing complexity of user interface,
so that controls are simplified
If it is true that a change to one sensor causes a "complete" rewrite then someone is doing it completely wrong. Clearly different radar detectors (for example) can and should be built to provide a (largely) standard interface for all devices of that type/manufacturer. Come on, ICL did this in 1962 (other examples of "standard interfaces" are/were available). Sheesh.
In the military industry, worldwide, it has been like this till early 2000s. Standards are starting to emerge now, but we are light years from a "plug and play" environment.
4D Algo
need a f35 drone node variant deployment and communication platform to deliver a hundred disposable 50kg drones, each independently controlled by a swarm team of computer infantry thousands of kilometres away proficient in various swarm tactics. Then one plane could literally deliver a hundred drones onto an enemies position and target nearly every combatant/target over a few thousand square metres real time. Some flying onto the barrels of a tanks blocking them without need for explosives, others landing with proximity mines to surround groups etc. With smart software and inter drone communication whole "playfield" could probably be encoded real time into a virtualized 3d representation for f35 drone "pilots" to fly through and control the local air space using just a shared 100 megabit pipe....
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the issue of the so called "information float" is a topic we could fill a book with.
It often a difficult concept to grasp.
This so-called network effect?
Well, think of some old war movie. They have that big central command room with maps and long stick to move military assets around on that big table map.
But, networking inverts the command-and-control structure.
Typical command and control systems look like a pyramid, and from the top down they flow information and commands to the people below from that control room.
A really great example occurred during a Mount Everest climb attempt.
They had a base camp. A classic military style command and control center. With radios to communicate to the climbers on the mountain.
But, this was one of the first climbs in which a lot of climbers were using a small text devices - and they were in effect texting about their climb and progress.
As a result, people living at home in Europe and the USA actually had a BETTER picture and better awareness of the summit climb.
And in that climb (with the IMAX crew), a tragic failed attempt and loss of life occurred on that mountain.
The simple matter was those following the climb at home sipping tea could see better and could have actually made better decisions about this climb then that command and control room at base camp RIGHT ON the mountain!!!
This concept can be hard to grasp, but assume pilots are flying with an AWACS support plane.
AWACS: Viper 1 - please engage target at your 170.
Viper 1: I am low on fuel - returning to base.
AWACS: Maverick 1 - please engage target at your 170
Maverick 1: I only have 1 missile left - about to return home.
AWACS: Iceman 2 - please engage target
Iceman 2: I am already engaged, and if I have to talk and listen to you on the radio all day, we all will get killed.
Now, let’s try above with F35’s.
One pilot - hum, I’ll take that target.
One finger touch on the screen - we are DONE!!!
Note VERY carefully, NOW the decision is coming from that pilot!!! Not the top of the pyramid (the AWACS in this example).
The command structure is now turned up-side down. The Israeli army has also found this idea to be correct. In other words, those units fighting at the POINT of engagement are FAR better off to make the decisions - but you have to just provide THEM with the information - not commands from the top command room. (and during the Yon Kipper war, a single unit breaking across the canal and front line to take out a SAM site opened up that air space for the IAF to go to work, and change the outcome of that battle.
So, that one F35 pilot? With one finger touches that target - he had fuel, weapons, and was not busy.
Now every single pilot (and in the future that non required AWACS will ALSO now see and know the one pilot has taken ownerships of that enemy target. Kind of like buying something on line!!!!
(Do you phone a big command and control office to order that book online? Of course, not - laughable to do so!! You buy the book yourself on-line!!!!
Do you now call a command room full of computers and people to book a flight? (you used to!!!!)
So, with ONE finger touch:
All other pilots INSTANT know the target been taken
All other pilots know they do NOT have to worry about that one target (that part even more valuable). Why go chase a target that someone else is already working on? This is one of the WORST problems with current systems - often 2, 3 or even 4 pilots will start to chase down one target - you now wasting 3 jets!!! They are doing NOTHING of use! Someone ALREADY has that target and is working on it!
Now? All those 3 other jets not busy? They can go to town working on other targets - you increase your force projection here.
Even with that one F35 releases its missiles to that target? All of the other jets EVEN see the track, and EVEN know and see the time to impact!!! (And that’s not even their own missiles and own jet!!!!).
And really amazing? ZERO radio communication and chatter has occurred here!!!!
And zero commands came from that central room or AWACS.
So this is what we mean by the inverted command pyramid.
Networking technology inverts the command-and-control systems.
(And often eliminates it!!!).
You don’t buy a book by phoning some big command center full of people with desks, phones and computers anymore. We used to do this - but we don’t anymore!! (Networks is the answer!).
And on that Mount Everest climb? People at home had a better picture of that failed climb and loss of life on the mountain then did that dedicated old style command post RIGHT on the mountain! In fact, the people at home could have helped more, and made better decisions then that command control room on the moutain (but did not have a means to contact that command post).
The F35 is NOT really about stealth.
It is about a NEW WAY to fight wars.
However, this concept has occurred MANY times in military past.
For example, the Germans were quick to adopt radio communication for their tanks. As a result, they were able to cook up new ways to engage the enemy.
Before radios? They would just line up tanks for huge front lines on each side.
But with radios? Now a group of tanks can act as a group - a VERY lethal tank group.
A pack of about 8 or more tanks could now work as a single unit and go after about 2-3 tanks.
Huge lopsided fight in favor of 8 against 3 tanks. Then they would go after another tank. The result was even with relative equal numbers, once side was able to out match and really wipe out the other side with great ease. Yet both sides had equal numbers.
The same is now occurring for fighter aircraft.
The F-35 software provides the pilot with AT LEAST 100 times the information compared to 4th gen jets.
And using about 100 times the number of parameters than a fourth-generation fighter to define a potential threat?
You simple don’t stand a chance.
This information will provide greater chances of survivability.
And when combined with effective lethality, assures battlespace dominance.
It simply turns the command-and-control pyramid upside down. And in fact, often 100% eliminates the need altogether.
And having and using 100x or MORE information to choose that target. You don’t stand a chance - just like those 8 tanks taking on 2 or 1!
What command and control room with computers, desks, and operations used to do?
Networked information inverts this process.
So, now you use your smartphone to book a flight?
These networking concepts now are starting to apply to a military battle theatre near you.
and they significantly change how the command-and-control structures will work - including removal of most of the typical pyramid command structures used in the past.
You do understand that every combat aircraft in the U.S. inventory has been doing this for roughly twenty years right?
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NO, you are 100% incorrect and when the boat left the harbor, you clearly were not on that boat.
So, A F35 sees a target 40 miles away (passive - DAS, it at this instance is only a "dot" to the F35.
So, pilot looks at target - then radar turns on and "pings" the target. At that point, with that small ping, the type of aircraft is identified.
Now, the F35 turns a bit - that moving (and identified target is now OFF the view of the front radar). But then again, we already turned off radar. DAS has full 360 degrees tracking. So, that "dot" (which is all DAS can tell and give you at this point in time) ALSO now has that tag information from the very short radar ping used to identify that target. So, no, previous gen fighters don't have that ability at all NOT EVEN CLOSE!!
Of course, since other F35's are in the area, then they ALSO now have that "dot" on their DAS and have the ident tags. Of course, with 2 or more angles? Well, just like having two (or more) points on a map (say with compas), you can intersect those lines and thus locate your position. As a result, you now have x,y,x (speed, altitude, direction). In fact you have enough information to build a weapons grade lock and kill solution. No 4th gen fighters in the USA inventory have ANY such ability.
And no, previous gen fighters can't and don't share which pilot has touched the screen to take "ownership" of that target.
I mean, really? Did somthing REALLY bad happen to you as a child to suggest this process is the same in previous gen fighters?
I mean, the last fighter to have built in IRST built in was the F14. The USAF is scrambling to add IRST to existing fighters such as F15 and f22.
but, as above shows, it NOT just IRST, it is the ability to tag and track the target and SHARE that information to all the other pilots. Including the ability of one pilot to take ownership of that target, and all others instant know - all done without a AWACS, and in fact all done without having to talk on their radios.
And because that information is shared - then computers can determine the location - speed - direction of that target. And ALL OF this is being done without any radar being active at this point in time.
Why do you think a F35 can eat up f22's like taking candy from a baby?
I guess I have to explain this to you.
Due to budget cuts, the f22 lacks “passive” systems to track aircraft. By “passive” we mean receiver only (non radar being sent out). This is where the f35 excels right now, and is a significant shortcoming of the f22.
Computer processing:
The f22 in its debut had a very good computer system. It is rated at 700 MIPS (700 million instructions per second).
There was plans to future upgrade the f22 with a 2000 mips processor. But the CPU used on the f22 is now long out of production.
But, remember Moore’s law in computing? Every 2 years we see computing power near doubling. While this doubling every two years don’t sound like much?
Well, place one grain of rice on the first square on a chess board. On the next square, place 2 grains of rice. And on the next square place 4 (so we have a total of 7 grains of rice).
Do the above for 64 squares. You wind up with 1 billion grains of rice by the 40th square. By the 64th square, you actually need 210 billion tons (not grains, but tons) of rice! That amount of rice would cover ALL of India with about 3 feet of rice!
The above means that the f22 has a really poor computer.
For comparison, a low cost budget smart phone with a snapdragon processor? Well, one CPU core is rated for 1400 MIPS. But you have 4 of them!!! (All in that $90 smartphone).
So, that smartphone has
5600 MIPS
F22 = 700 MIPS.
So, your cheapo smart phone has EIGHT times the computer power of the f22.
The F35 uses RISC based CPU’s built around IBM’s power PC chips. They are the same architecture and chips used at the Lawrence Livermore atomic labs to run computer atomic bomb simulations. And all of IBM’S advanced Artificial Intelligence systems also use this chip set from IBM.
Upgrades for the F35 central computer are to be rolled out next year - they will increase the computer power of the f35 by a WHOPPER 25 times (over what the f35 has now!!! And what the F35 ALREADY has is VERY good!!!).
Not only does the f22 lack computer power, but it also lacks high speed networking.
While a good many new fighter jets have passive (IRST) systems, they are mechanical scanned (a rotating mirror sends the input light and directs it to a sensor). Such sensors will tell you a fighter is say 35 degrees off the front of your jet. But you don’t know the speed, direction etc. And those systems have limited coverage (only front/forward looking for the jet).
You need speed, direction, and altitude to generate a weapons lock.
With 3 or more f35’s in the area, then just like 3 compass points or lines on a map, you can with computers triangle the location of the target. (You need 3 or more inputs).
Toss in a BIG dose of computer power?
Toss in some really amazing network communication between the jets?
Well, you now get x,y,z position of that target. And if you do this over and over, then you now get a new set of x,y,z and thus compare it to the last set of data. Now you have the REALLY valuable information of speed and direction of that enemy. And you doing this WITHOUT radar to give yourself away.
And even MORE important is you need to be able to feed that data into the computers to generate a weapons grade solution.
F35 can use radar, DAS (which is IRST) or use the targeting pod on the front (which is also an IRST + targeting system for air to ground).
However, you have NOT turned on your radar to give yourself away.
So, 3 F35’s approaching some f22’s will:
See, track, display and build weapons grade firing solitons against the f22’s.
And all of this will occur without radar.
The f22?
Blind as a bat.
It will not see, track or be able to deploy its weapons on the F35.
The f35 will simple fire away and shoot down those f22’s like fish in a barrel.
The sofwtare COMBINED with sensors such as DAS tracking system will allow the F35 to compute and give a firing solution for a jet following it from the rear. That’s because unlike the f22, the F35 is not limited to JUST using radar for a firing solution. So, to fire at a jet following you requires rear facing radar! (But not with the F35).
So, radar in most jets is required for a firing solution. When the missile leaves the rails, it is NOT the missile that navigates to the target, but the fighter provides computers and radar that manages the first part of the missile flight. When the missile gets close to the target then the missile own radar and tracking takes over.
And keep in mind that even during war games, the instant you turn on your radar is the instant you just turned your jet into a HUGE giant lighthouse of a target - stealth will not help so much. Look at me, I am here! Come and follow my powerful radar beam right to me!!! Stealth or not - you just given yourself away.
The air battle theatre is now becoming like submarine warfare. Run silent - don’t give yourself away.
The f22 has next to no means to see, find, track and MOST important generate a kill solution to shoot down the f35.
The F35 pilot has 100x or MORE information to generate a kill solution then a f22.
This allows pilot to maintain decision superiority over an adversary. And this will provide greater chances of survivability, which when combined with effective lethality, assures battlespace dominance. it just does. Don't mean the F22 is bad, but does mean that the F35 will be a F22 killer, and not the other way around.
As much as I love the f22?
It doesn’t stand one hope of a chance to engage the f35.
And worse yet? The F35 has a lower RCS then the F22 - so the F35 has better stealth, and the f22's radar will not see or find the F35. But the F35 will find and see that f22 wight great ease - and do so before the f22 has a chance.
And no, NOT EVEN close - they not been doing this for 20 years - the ONLY been doing this with the F35.
@@Albertkallal old comment but i just gotta say you explained this in such a way that gave me a really good understanding of how these systems work and also gave me a sense of just how impactful they really are in modern air combat, great job
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@@Yourlocalhuman8 thank you 🙏
I love your videos and your style but I can't watch anymore on this aircraft.
Any news on the f35 crash and investigation this week?
Does that algorithm of the f35 can avoid tricks and lies leading them into a trap
Nobody outside a restricted circle of few people knows. I suppose it has been hardened against spoofing...to what extent, well... who knows.
easy money
This aircraft don't need a pilot.
Fully automatic descent, approach and landing was applied in the Buran program - in 1988.
The F-35 is _likely_ capable to operate largely autonomously, depending on the complexity of the assigned mission. The various UCAV 'Wingmen' procurement programs are merely efforts to find the most cost-efficient design and operational protocol.
All thanks to _allputamythms_ !
One would get a fuller picture of the fundamental issue of automation, however if the REDFOR side of a mission is considered:
the potentially _meticulous_ planning of _likely_ - and e.g. _visually_ confirmed - approach vectors of an F-35, in order to set up a layered air defense network that will _funnel_ aircraft into killzones - just as it would be in ground manouvers - plus painful efforts of 'maskirovka' to keep some air defenses, _obscured_ from NATO SIGINT (satellites, drones), ELINT (e-war reconnaissance) and HUMINT (spies, recent defectors or prisoners).
That would be a more complete picture of a mission than the habitual Western _'my aircraft is superior than yours'_ hubris that has destroyed e.g. an F-117 in Yugoslavia via 1970s surface to air missiles and Serbian competence...
By the way, US 101st Airborne Division has now been deployed to the Balkans.
Soon the 'rematch' can begin on a much grander scale which brings the chance for genuine elections all across the EU, with one's feet, in a boot, kicking down doors:
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hahaha, nice title change
this AI system can have significant issues.
example.
2 adversary fighters escorting a civilian aircraft are seen flying within close proximity of your airspace. the AI may not deem the civilian aircraft to be relevant enough to be displayed. let's say this happens during a "hot" peace time period.
the above is just one situation that could potentially start a conflict or full blown war.
there needs to be a international consensus regarding AI use in a kill chain.
that’s not how AI works on aircraft lmao. It’s done for target classification and that’s it. Those scenarios are impossible.
When a man-made system is so advanced it can't be monitored by a human....
Actually that is a problem since quite some time, but the actual problem is not the system, but bad ergonomics. Especially older system just gave you Rawdata to look at, that's often not very helpful. Proper decisionmaking needs information not just Data. It makes quite some difference if i just know that for instance hydraulic pressure is low, or if i know hydraulic pressure is low because because of a leak. Because there's no point to try to pressurize a dry hydraulic system by some backup pump, it could even do more harm.
Just wondering if there just dead pixel on F35 display on their 3-5 years operation .. the cost of replacement and updating source data and logistic .. mmmm nope I will stick to AK47 Lol
A flat screen LCD screen? Geesh, that is nothing in terms of cost. The cost of ONE gauge in a legacy fighter going to be more then the cost of a simple flat touch screen.
@@Albertkallal put an aviaton tag number label on your samsung phone, and your phone become a car .. put an military grade aviaton tag than your phone .. puuufff .. Ferrari
80 cent bolt becomes an $8 bolt because its certified. Rather crazy
Every part is tested multiple times, tracked, then tracked some more. Then stocked for the next 30-40 years. If some part has an MTBF of 3 years and you have 100 planes, you are looking at stocking thousands of that part for 30 years.
Moreover, all the components that go into that LCD panel should, ideally, have multiple sources, all of them in friendly countries.
Lets just hope Tesla wasn't involved with the amount of flaws that would guarantee LOL
Let' not oversink, please. 😁
wait, wait... does over-sink means that it is floating?? 🙃
I thought you hated the F35. This video alters that impression.
I don't hate or love. These are categories that do not apply. Maybe to the aesthetics of the aircraft, but that's it.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech well do you like the look of the f35? Personally I think it's a very nice looking aircraft
@@berrigo2 Its nice but kinda looks like a fat f 22 ngl
2nd
F-35 is truly far more advanced than those European, Russian and Chinese fighters.
The F-35 is the first generation of AI plane with human presence to override it time to time? (Avoid it from being hacked). Base on how it operates I think it can maneuver, picking up target and dog fight on its own if you allow.
ps. In the future the pilot will be there only to pull the trigger to make sure that this automatically killing machine is....still ethically right.
I know you are talking about information channelling, however, I could not help think that when the F35 moves its flaperons it increases the aircrafts radar visibility, do you concur?
Probably true
Modern airplanes need 2 pilots. Difficult to do on the F35, but the New Rafale orders are for 2 pilots.
This is for the most part correct. Having two people splits the workload. Even with such amazing systems, 2 is better than one. However that means 2 highly trained people are required for each fighter.
On a mission the F35 flies automatically, so pilot thus takes on the role of the so called wizz-o anyway (weapons officer ).
However 2 people still better, but 1 pilot means more aircraft flying, so overall you wind up with more f35's flying and more force projection.
2 of anything usually better , and everyone living in a huge mansion full of super models is also nice, but not practical. With such automaton then 1 pilot is OK, but 2 with such automaton would open up even more amazing capabilities.
Sure that's not because Rafale has old fashioned 1980s style cockpit ergonomics? 😉
$500,000 per helmet.
Still convinced the F35 is gonna be the new "Bristol Blenheim" of the future mayor conflict.
Really ? That joke Su-57 ?
have you seen what video games are doing now? thats not a disadvantage esp since your future pilots all prob play video games. and lets all be honest in a real conflict that goes full tilt how fast will you lose all those highly trained expert pilots? a week two a month? then who flys these multi million dollar things? they better be easy to fly and learn fast because the modern war environment is massively lethal. lets hope we never see that kind of war. ukraine seems staged to me like a weapons test by the global banksters but its in danger of slipping out of their control. god help us all.
It's a school bus with a lot of issues. Or the best non combat fighter jet in history.
I don't know about the f35 but it looks like the f1 car the driver is overwhelming information and needs a team is real time to help him
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A stealth fighter should not use active sensors that will give it's position away.
AESA radars are particularly good at spreading the signal (and the energy) using pseudo-randomization over a wide range of frequencies, making their detection above the background noise difficult. You can use very complex math to get an idea if you are being scanned, but it takes much computing power and time. You can also steer the beam in a particular direction, and a good system can have multiple beams in multiple directions simultaneously. You will have a lower probability of detecting the signal if the beam is not pointed at you. The math has been worked out for decades, and the basic frequency-hopping was worked out by Hedy Lamar and someone who was not as good-looking.
@@rajeshkanungo6627 There is a way to transmit radar signals that cannot be triangulated and it appears to be originating from a source that is miles in length so that it cannot be targeted by anti-radiation missiles. Exactly how that is achieved I don't know.
I love reading all the Pro-Russian trolls comments trying to detract. It’s so cringey try hard. Face it guys, if we ever fought, you guys would be absolute toast. On logistics alone we would could beat you X5. I do wish for peace though and I think most of you do as well.
The Bad GUYS WILL Face IMPROVED ANRAM BVR attack, Wing man with total knowledge of the battle space and computer advanced logic of the best weapons. Thus will assist both pilot and wing man.
All done after dark and directed by AWACS and Satellites. The Russians and Chinese have no chance
and the Ukraine war shows how poor their aircraft and maintenance are. The Chinese Pilots have no
chance, There Receive no situational training of there Airforce and when they do f-35 will win the day with
BVR. ECT MY STORY AND STICKING TO IT. Faced the enemy thirteen years overseas. FREEDOM WILL WIN.
this extreme push to AI having full control of pilot situational awareness bothers me greatly. the Aircraft is basically telling the pilot what to do while potentially leaving out valid information.
I personally prefer a second seat option with some more limited in comparison AI working defensive systems set mainly to help keep the airframe out of dangerous situations.
Having AI decide what should (be honest) die is a very slippery slope that removes human responsibility from the equation.
AI is far too new to attempt this...there is not even any international concensus as to who would be responsible for a AI kill that goes horribly wrong!. yes this has a huge potential to destabilize our future civilization as a whole. if early NATO AI screws up then out adversaries also have that right to push forward AI technology before its ready.
step back and consider future world stability...is this the right move st this time?
Machine learning is less AI and more advanced statistical modelling. It just searches, filters and categorizes data better than a human.
>the Aircraft is basically telling the pilot what to do
No, it is 100% the opposite. There are accounts of pilots in Vietnam turning off their radio, even ground threat radars waring buzzers, and ANYTHING else they could find to turn off. The pilot wanted to concentrate on ONE thing, and ONLY one thing!
When you use the internet, you don't read the WHOLE internet, or say go to you-tube, but ask/get/view/look at JUST what you want.
You can walk into a resturant. 10 waiters can line up, one will tell you about their poultry options. Another about ribs and barbecue options. Another about pastry deserts, and another about pie options for dessert.
But, I like the salad bar - and they are fantastic. So, I filter and ONLY go to the salad bar, or ask about the salad bar options.
The fighter does not tell the pilot what to do, it allows the pilot to pick and choose the information they want for the task at hand. Contrast that to a bunch of engineers deciding what should be displayed to the pilot. It's called information over-load.
That pilot doing the bombing run wants ONLY target information, and only possible SAM site threats.
The other F35's in that area are say protecting that pilot to achieve his bomb run. so, they filter out the SAMS by the bridge, and filter out the target on that bridge, and they are looking only at other air to air threats in the area.
That pilot doing the bombing run is ONLY to be nagged and disturbed if a new threat, or one he doesn't care about becomes an issue.
This is not at all about the F35 telling the pilot what to do, but ALL ABOUT the pilot being able to get ONLY the information he needs for his given task.
the F35 don't tell the pilot what to do, it gives the pilot EXACLTY the information he needs for his given task. - a world of difference here.
I wonder what the long term health impacts will be on pilots with hundreds of hours of radio bombardment paired with all of the visual input each year? That has to impact your vision and nervous system, not to mention the potential psychological impact.
Bro, the chief designer of the F-16, Pierre, quipped F-35 will lose in dogfight to Mig 21 of 1967 Six Day War or 1973 Yom Kippur fame. Hafez Assad & Anwar Sadat pleased 4 sure.
PIerre Sprey was a Jazz musician and lobbyist, not a designer and yet the list of aircraft he supposedly developed grows and grows.
Pierre Sprey Is the chief designer of absolutely nothing lmao
LOLZ, I hope you don't mean Pierre Sprey,
that old "fighter-mafia" buffoon.
The only thing he ever designed was his story
and music equipment.
As these other golks have mentioned sprays nonsense has been thoroughly dispelled at this point…. Spray works for RT off and on but that’s about it …. No one takes him seriously
He is dead.
So if I were a Russian I would have two objectives: track the F-35. And track its tracks. Try to trip up each individual track as much as possible.
tracking f35's tracks would be easy part as it would be you
@@hphp31416 if they know what the F-35 sensors are looking for then they might be able to jam them somehow.
@@wkrapek The best way to jam radar, even AESA is to use overwhelming power, making the jammer a big target.
No wonder why there’s 3 crashes of f35
Too many sensors telling about enemy
Positions or planes ., how do you ascertain
The threat level of those planes , how do
You assign threat priority? Who will choose
Those priority . The airplane threat management systems ?
Do you think this is a good thing for the pilot or not? As it could be
Stated why not just make the craft a drone if the human aspect isn't needed. I'm of the opinion you can't take the human aspect out of any given critical mission. Sure drones are an amazing advantage in certain circumstances. But it can also be the same for a piloted aircraft. Have we gone to far technologically wise, relying on its benefits too much, at the expense of using the highly skilled experienced pilots?
I think the worst thing to do is having a blanket approach covering everything the same way. Different approaches are needed for different scenarios. This will never change in my opinion. That's why I personally think the plan of having a do it all aircraft instead of diversity was an massive mistake. No one will ever convince me otherwise. Look at the conflict in Ukraine now, which aircraft has been & continues to be by far & away the most used one? The SU 25.
The equivalent of the A 10, the US airforce has had to fight tooth & nail to keep the A 10 alive. There's a reason they've done so. They know fine well this work horse does a great job. You won't find any video game like screen in one of those aircraft. I don't know at the end of the day. I'm not a military stradegist. I'm not a professional so I don't know of I'm wrong or right. All I do know is what I can see & good tough reliable hard working no frills cheap ground support aircraft are doing an amazing job.
It's a good thing because they're one step closer to full-autonomy. It seems the F35 is more like a testbed for future drone AI.
The A-10 is only hanging on, because of the A-10C upgrade, wich introduced multi function displays, advanced targeting pod, MAWS, Helmet mounted displays etc.
In short it is filled with "game like screens", there is no place for a simple system in a modern high intensity battlefield, loose situational awareness and you're dead.
The A-10 thunderbolt II isn’t really an effective work horse, however the guided weapons it carries are.
With that being said any war plane capable of carrying the targeting equipment and the weapon would be equally effective
@@kilianortmann9979 The A-10 is flown mostly by Air National Guard pilots. US Senators fight tooth and nail to keep ANG squadrons in their states -- Senator McCain was a staunch supporter of the A-10, with two ANG A-10 squadrons based in Nevada at the time he was making the case for retaining this obsolete aircraft.
@@KhanAitmatov2033 There is one real advantage the A-10 might have over F-16, F-15E, F-35 etc.; because it is so limited, the pilots spend all the flight time to train the few mission types it can do.
The A-10 might not be the best CAS aircraft, but it enables its pilots to become the best CAS pilots by focusing on those few jobs.
It's waste of time if these systems are not harden and immune from EMP attacks.
Which nation widely employs EMP weapons that could attack aircraft?
Russia, but the F-35 is hardened against the EMP.
You believe that for real ? Like the military just forgot about emp ? Maybe they aren’t telling us everything ……
The B-52 was hardened against EMP.
I don't think they forgot to address it in the F-35.
Although there's always a question of "how hardened"? Broadly speaking, most expensive US military assets are hardened to wide-area EMP effects as created by high altitude nukes (or really nasty solar flares). But might have problems if you put them close enough to scorch the paint job. Broadly speaking all FBW aircraft are somewhat more heavily hardened to EMP, just because pilots really like to have control over the aircraft.
Also, uh... this relates to another type of uh... offensive capability, which the US has put a lot of work into. As has Russia. The militaries of the US and Russia, are probably more paranoid about EMP and lets call it "EMP-like effects" than any other world militaries. Although this uh... 'attention to detail' is not always present on export models. Depends on the customer.
Civilian assets though... that's where EMP hits hard. My car, and desktop, and tv, etc. would all be toast. Although I have a laptop, coms, batteries, etc. inside a fireproof, theft-resistant, faraday cage. I've considered insulating the whole house with bubble foil, as an extra layer, plus it would help with the power bill.
@@kathrynck That would push the "Tinfoil hat" concept to an entirely new level!😄
Stop using these stupid stock videos to underline your point