The Hive Mind of the F-35 - Long Format
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"The human quest for destroying each other never stops" i love the quote!
This is about one of the only guys on RUclips that knows his stuff! The rest on RUclips are full of BS!
Real Engineering did an AMAZINGLY DETAILED analysis and breakdown of the F-35, I highly recommend it. It was done VERY well and surprised me on it's level of detail for each system. It gave me a renowned respect for the F-35
OK ---. Sensor Fusion is how the F-35 can find Enemy Stealth Aircraft. Which you kind of ignored. The F-35 Sensores takes short Garbage tracks that are thrown away by others and combines many from different widely spaced fighters, Awaaks, ground radars and combines reported garbage (Ghosts) from the "same locations" far and near, moving or fixed to create tracks that can then be identified as a Stealth Aircraft enemy or not other lone aircraft or fixed ground systems will miss. It is also how locks can be maintained on enemy fighters that suddenly depart from standard aspects going from heading toward the F-35 using Dopler Radar data, to flying sideways or cross track as well as hovering on the fighters engines tail down (famous Russian airshow maneuver) that would break Dopler Radar Tracks of older systems...
Mosaic Identification?
Man you research your topics. You videos are so information packed...I have to watch them several times!
The Lightning II's stealth and engine are top stuff but its the software that where it truly shines. A good long form video.
Ah yes, now that you mention it, Cybersecurity was the reason, ALIS had to be rewritten. And the New blocks will fly wit a system called ODIN, which has ALIS integrated into it🤔🤔
My academic background is from the humanities (I know that you STEM guys don’t recognize humanities as an academic field but let’s leave it out here 😂). But I was always interested in engineering and I had a lot of ideas as how to integrate different sensors. Watching your videos I realize how amazing the human brain truly is. I mean I had some classes in cognitive science and we discussed how neural networks operate but Synchronisation of data on the F-35 sounds like the pinnacle of engineering to me! I spent a little time with German tornado fighter jets but even compared to the Euro fighter they look like an Oldtimer. Thanks for this brilliant video!
I watched this video 3 month later, and now I know why you were hospitalized a few weeks ago. It wasn't your heart, but it was the special forces.
Great full set stitched together... when it started I LOL'd cuz that intro was my favorite of urs so far
I always really enjoy your videos. I love the humor, thank you.
A great video with good humor!
nicely put together :) the long-format video I mean! Well the plane too.
I didn't notice your "quotation progress bars" the first time I saw all these. It's actually a really nice touch!
Omg 48 minutes? Between you and Perun I've got a full schedule! LOL
It is a mash up of previous videos, you may have seen part of this already...
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Then I will simply know the content even better after this.
Thank you again for this astounding report. So much sophisticated, accurate data!🤤
None of this is accurate right off the gate with that title.
I've read a fair bit of the literature about naval data networks starting from NTDS, AN/SYS-1/2 (1970s system that could manage composite tracks across multiple radars on a single ship, and could initiate and maintain tracks even when no single radar satisfied its track-initiation criteria), AEGIS, SSDS, and CEC. The John Hopkins APL tech digest has some fairly high-level descriptions. It seems that those systems (especially CEC, with which the F-35B/C interoperate) represent an important branch of the F-35's "family tree".
CEC in particular is an important ancestor in that it was the first fielded system that I'm aware of wherein a (highly-directional, LPI) dedicated datalink is used to share low-level sensor data rather than established tracks, incorporating TDOA, sensor bias, etc. As with F-35 individual units create their own fused views from this data. It differs from F-35 in that it's almost entirely RF- entric (emphasis on radar and ESM). Its "costomer" is the entire crew of a CIC rather than a single pilot performing a single mission so its man-machine interface is very different. IIRC the F-35 can share low-level sensor data with CEC (via MADL terminals on CEC ships and maybe the E-2D?), not sure about the conerse.
There is also nontrivial literature about time/clock synchronization in systems going all the way back to NTDS. The TDOA problem is a very old one.
I always learn something while watching your videos.
If the most important feature of F-35 is not stealth but sensor and signal processing, could this feature integrated into generation IV or IV+ like Gripen E, Rafale, Eurofighter etc?
It is already, to various degree. Gripen E, Su-57 and Rafale F4 in particular should not be much different.
The F-35 has 360 sensor capabilities not present in other competing fighters, especially the helmet that is capable of a full infrared digital HUD with target memory and full data fusion capable of pinging targets in other F-35 pilots HUDs. Their missiles are fully capable of communicating with all data link aircraft and guiding each other's missiles.
Combine this technology with world class stealth, and it's unbeatable.
@@weasle2904 The Gripen and the Su-57 have various AESA arrays around the aircraft to cover 360, The Su-57 has optical/infrared/ultraviolet sensors that give the pilot a video feed in the helmet. Leonardo has developed infrared sensors that can be retrofitted on 4th gen to mimick the DAS. And all the modern missiles have a full datalink.
The F-35 advantage is in cooperation and integration, but it is already being eroded.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech Being able to guide missiles seamlessly between different fighters radar is not something easily replicated currently. AWACS guided data link is standard. The difference is we have actual evidence of the F-35's 360 digital HUD capable of looking through the aircraft and mark targets. There's no other fighter with the same level of pilot immersion and seamless datalink.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech The HMD of the F-35 is miles superior to that of 4.5 Aircraft. The F-35 has a 360 degrees DAS and IRST integrated with it’s AOTS.
On the AESA topic, the Rafale and Eurofighter have a smaller and less sophisticated AESA compared to the F-35. They’re also not at an angle so it affects their already limited stealth because they’re 4.5 generation fighter.
I talk separately about the Su-57 AESA because it’s hilarious how primitive of a technology is, but it should have around the same modules, though inferior. Also not put in any angle, the Su-57 remains the weakest 5th generation fighter.
Like we’ve seen on so many competitions, the F-35 is deemed the superior aircraft overall, it’s performance obviously come from its Stealth technology, Sensor fusion (which is superior to Eurocanards, it also just has more sensors) It’s obviously better to have an Aircraft that doesn’t need pods of any sort, able to carry a massive payload and not being slowed at all. (While also being cheaper than the Eurofighters)
Your video is obviously bafflingly wrong, how can a Stealth aircraft not be Stealthy? Are you saying all those foreign reports are fake? Pathetic.
13:16 *_Madl_* is the Bavarian and (for the most part) Austrian dialect word for *_Mädel_* which is the colloquial/slang word for *_Mädchen_* meaning _girl_
That's why we see these girls dressed in traditional Alpine/Bavarian garbs.
In (East/German language realm of) Switzerland (which is also alpine for the most part) on the other hand the slang word for _Mädchen_ whould be *_Meitli_*
Actually the only part of the entire German speaking realm where (strong) dialect is (pretty much) non-existent is around Niedersachsen (Lower Saxony). In every other part you will face somewhat of a distict vernacularity.
I thought the girls were simply added for ‘entertainment’ value LOL
The precision timing and localization feature is already part of Link-16.
While GPS provides exact time it isn't required for the functioning.
Without GPS the absolute location is lost but the relative tracks are available.
Your commentary is spot on and very informative. I wish some people I worked with would have benefited from your presentation
F-35 core processor is PowerPC 7448 with 90nm technology note chip. F-22 core processor is PowerPC 603 with 500nm technology note chip, while J-20 core processor is 28-40nm technology note chip. F-35 radar APG-81 is AESA with gallium arsenide second generation semiconductor technology, 1676 T/R modules, F-22 radar APG-77 is AESA with gallium arsenide second generation semiconductor technology, 1956 T/R modules, Power 20kw(peak), while J-20 radar KLJ-5 1475 is AESA with gallium nitride third generation semiconductor technology, 2200 T/R modules, power 100kw.
The F-35 will get a new radar, the agp-85
@@jakobole F-35 with new radar APG-85 would be Block 4 F-35As from Lot 17, it will be in service later this year.
Comparing transistor size is useless in most contexts.
I love the Dads humour ❤😂
To become an Air Force fighter pilot, this is the kind of stuff you have to learn, only a hundred times worse! 😬 YIKES!
Off topic.
Can you do a series on the politics behind the dc10 cargo door failures, the 747 cargo door failures and the 737max getting its micas software written by $5 an hour Indian programmers?
Knowledge is power, Then this one is very powerful. I used to think of it as a flying pig, no longer do I see it that way.
Never believe Pierre Sprey ;)
Or the MSM.
Intro scared me 🥺😭
Situational awareness is everything and the F-35 goes a long way toward giving that to the pilot. In the past, most air-to-air kills were on planes that were not even aware of the plane that killed them.
OH COME ON OTIS... I WAS GONNA BELIEVE THE INTRO!!!
I was expectig this to be already done in the time around the "Ok computer" album
The Gripen E/F works that way. You are presented what You need to know, and shares what Your friends need to know. Like targeting info.
Imagine spamming your enemy radar
It’s not even close to the same level of the F-35
@@reserva120 And You are an expert on the E/F?
@@guygabriel6251 More than You???
@@reserva120 creds?
this video editing style is making learning the industry of destruction fun like EDUtainment
Should I consider this a compliment or a reproach?
@@Millennium7HistoryTech compliment bcuz its not just cramming data like a full college schedule im actually being educated and entertained ATST at the same time which is advantageous for inspiring the young and informing the elderly
IMO the flow and layout of the visuals GRAFIX with the editing highlights is artisanal
RAAF said LM is taking them to the cleaners.... their current F35 software ain't up to scratch and only when next block upgrade will be somewhat useful but that may require upgrading the jet's hardware and the earlier version may not be suitable for the upgrade as the F35 already changed 7 times in assembling methodology
F35 cockpit looks like Ace Combat 3: Electrosphere
That game brings back good memories!
@@rustygates3367 such good game, JP version
Due to the bypass ratio 0.57>0.40 of its engine F-135, F-35 doesn't have supersonic cruise capability. F-35 couldn't fly supersonic more than 1 minute, the pilots are warned the risk of overheat, burning and disintegration.
Jja ja we the math lovers do not forgive you. Great show as always.
F35 with a back up jamming aircraft, is the key.
Love this
Is the F-35 the Sergio Busquets of military air power?
“that piece upon which it all hinges, a player for whom pace is in the mind, something to be imposed upon the ball: who knows when to apply a pause, when to hold on and above all when to release. Who quietly makes everything else work around him.”
Except the “quietly” bit of course.
Keep up the good work
I wonder why I have never heard Otis 's voice at the mall...
I'd like an Otis too
*0:12* 2, 3, 1
There is a very simple logic to verify... if the F35 was so good, why does the US buy retrofit F15s in droves and that cost twice as much?
These jingoistic US flyboys keep drinking the Lockheed Martin KOOLAID.
It will be the death of them. The F35 is a dog. Fat. Slow. Can't turn. One engine. Jack of All Trades Master of None! Stealth is a scam.
American pilots flying this $1.7-trillon flop will soon realize they are on suicide missions against the SU-57.
That is, if their F35 can even take off!
Half these dogs are Hangar Queens and are not operational - with horrendous maintenance requirements.
And still with 800+ deficiencies - 17-years(!) into the program. The plane will be outdated before it is debugged.
The Air Force knows it's a failure - as you say Cecilia, why they are buying retrofitted F15's.
And why there is such a big hurry to get the "next-generation" boondoggle going to rip off taxpayers!
These F-35's will be scrap in the Arizona desert with 10-years. Never firing a shot! Next to the F117. And what happened to the F22?
The biggest example of military acquisition malfeasance in history. Somebody should be in jail!
Underestimate Russian technology and pilots at your peril Yanky!
Wait for all the responses to my comment from brainwashed US militarists.
F15 has different purpose.
It's used in AWACS-F15-F16 doctrine, where F15 takes role as Heavy Fighter / Rocket Battery. Doctrine is not abounded by the US. F-16 already in production cause of world exports, but F-15 production were stopped. So production resumed in order to update F-15 parks.
In other hands F-22 proved that "speed" conflicts with "stealth". Stealth coating starts deteriorating quickly in high speeds and also high speed causes Doppler effect making it more visible to the radars with doppler target selection mode. That's why F-35 project was born. Stealth fighters uses different tactics.
How does the sensor fusion system handle data which is intentionally or unintentionally erroneous? Unintentionally erroneous is easy - a sensor is miscalibrated or experiences an internal error. Intentional could be the result of cyberwarefare of some form.
it will tell you if it has low confidence level on a track. The pilot can double check that track manually with any sensors they wish. It rarely happens.
I’d bet Classification algorithms with a temporal sense. This problem has existed forever and isn’t uniquely challenging for sensor fusion. It’s actually easier to discern with sensor fusion compared to an individual sensor. I don’t program plane or defense software but I’ve faced similar issues in my work. Also I’d be amazed if data is ever actually thrown away it’s probably just ranked to avoid overwhelming the operator. But if you really wanted to see all data, good or bad, you could.
Dear Mr Mill7,
Where can I find that photo of the direction post - confused, etc?
What a splendid image.
Thank you.
F-35 can’t dogfight? Think again. 80% of F-15 and F-16 pilots said they would take the F-35 vs their former 4th gen platforms specifically for dogfighting
Thirty-one experienced pilots currently flying the F-35A were asked to rate the energy and maneuvering characteristics of their previous fourth-generation fighters in a combat configuration throughout the dogfighting maneuver envelope in a combat configuration after jettisoning their external stores. They were then asked to rate the performance of the F-35A using the same scale, with fuel and internal munition loads associated with a combat loadout under their current G and CLAW restrictions. The F-35A compared well to the four other fighters (F-15C, F-15E, F-16C, and A-10) in most every regime. (For the total results and responses from the pilots of each respective fighter, see Chart 1.)
Each pilot was then asked to select which fighter he would rather fly in combat if he were to face a clone flying the other jet in six different air-to-air situations. (See Chart 2.) If the pilot selected an F-15C in a short-range setup, for example, he felt he could outperform a pilot of equal abilities in the F-35A. Pilots selected the F-35A 100 percent of the time in beyond-visual-range situations and over 80 percent of dogfighting situations where energy and maneuverability are critical to success.
The F-35A was not designed to be an air superiority fighter, but the pilots interviewed conveyed the picture of a jet that will more than hold its own in that environment-even with its current G and maneuver restrictions. In the words of an F-16C Weapons School Graduate and instructor pilot now flying the F-35A, “Even pre-IOC,this jet has exceeded pilot expectations for dissimilar combat. (It is) G-limited now, but even with that, the pedal turnsare incredible and deliver a constant 28 degrees/second. When they open up the CLAW, and remove the (7) G-restrictions, this jet will be eye watering.”
Read full article here:
www.heritage.org/defense/report/operational-assessment-the-f-35a-argues-full-program-procurement-and-concurrent
Mate, you're literally describing the opposite of a dog-fight (a first strike range detection scenario). You know what a dog-fight is? It's when you and your opponent are in range of one another, when there's an exchange of weapons envelopes on contact. If you're already in weapons intercept range through sensor advantage, there IS no dogfight. A dogfight is when you're both engaging in visual range. Calling that a dogfight is like saying two opposing nations doing nothing but hovering their thumbs over the big red button a skirmish. It just isn't. If you've already struck, there is no dogfight. How can you call yourself an enthusiast if this terminology can't even be used in its proper syntax by yourself?
@@Sizdothyx
What are you talking about? I literally copied and pasted the report from the 31 pilots interviewed regarding this topic.
So if you have a problem with the terminology, your problem isn’t with me, its with them
@Sizdothyx ... where have you been hiding for the past-decade? Turn-off Top Gun and welcome to the future of air-engagement. BVR is the only "dog-fighting" we will ever witness again in "manned" aircraft. Which... won't last much-longer than the next 5-year-window. The F-35 is already capable... and perhaps even stronger in its autonomous-state...
@@trikk9964 Even if that was true (its not), The ability to be maneuverable is still useful in BVR. Google BVR maneuvering tactics like the F pole maneuver or notching a missile etc.
Now I’ll tell you why its not true.
1. The most recent combat in history (Ukraine) has had some instances of dogfights according to Ukrainian pilots themselves, its rare but it happens.
2. The last kill of a US fighter (F/A-18E shooting a Su-22 in Syria) was a dogfight where both the Aim-9X and Aim-120 was used in Within Visual Range.
3. In 2019 a Pakistani aircraft (likely an F-16) shot down an Indian Mig-21. According to the Mig-21 pilot, he also shot down the F-16 that shot him with an R-73 within visual range missile.
There is a big difference between improbable and impossible, dogfighting is rare but not impossible
@@michaeld1170 I read the report and 100% of the pilots said they would prefer the f35 in a dog fight only in one specific condition would some rather a f15
Split horizon.
Yahoo!
It took me days to remember that.
62 years old is crap.
Plus a life time of alcohol of course.
Superb
There was a period where I didn't really like your content; but.
It seems to be getting a lot more reliable lately.
It's also pretty entertaining, lol.
Watch the latest F35 crash to see what sets the F35 apart from the rest. This is not the first time the F35 overrode pilot commands and wrecked the aircraft. The Eglin AFB crash accident investigation report concluded the aircraft overrode the pilot’s command to lift off and go around, forcing the pilot to eject before going off the runway. In today’s crash the aircraft left the engine at full throttle after touch down. This caused the aircraft to lift tail up after landing and tipping it on it’s nose. No doubt the autopilot overrode the pilot after the autopilot malfunction who must have been trying to shut down the engine after the malfunction (because the engine stayed on for so long spinning the f35 around instead of shutting down). This forced the pilot to eject.
Obviously Lockheed failed to learn from the Eglin crash and the F35 autopilot is still malfunctioning on landings and still overriding the pilot.
Check the RUclips video by Lemoine reviewing the Eglin F35 accident investigation report. The autopilot still has bad software for landing and still overrides the pilot in such situations. LM has still not fixed the aircraft. LM should divert money spent on controlling the narrative towards fixing the software.
Great info - thank you, i didn’t know that about the crash
Excellent & well explained - a very sophisticated system! Do Rafaele & Grippen have comparable software architectures?
We know less about those two. The Gripen is probably not too far, the Rafale, particularly with the F4 should be very close and interoperable.
Just to keep you updated the B-21 raider is the most technologically advanced aircraft to date!!🤓🖖
It will be, without doubt, but it's not in service yet! I can't wait to see the replacement for the F-22 Raptor, yes the F-22 was too expensive per unit but it was a game changer! I still prefer the FX-23 though!
Speaking of Fusion, would you do a video on that?
Having watched LM fail to cope with a simple slide presentation detailing F-35 capabilities it occurred to me that information from 400 sensors was way beyond them.
800+ Aircraft produced, beating the actual Eurofighter in nearly all of its programs, serves with 14-16 Countries. It’s clearly working. The F-35 is the true fighter and shield of Europe. It’s just superior.
When the door is knocked down; sacrifice Autis :P
When a F-22 video?
The only issue with data fusion is data transmission. If you know something about tracks you can't transmit that data to be integrated without giving away your location to the enemy who are closely observing all EMR
Yes you can, transmitting data in a tight beam is nonobservable outside of being within that beam
Agreed, and this is where I think the U.S. has already militarized in-flight focused laser communication (among other applications for lasers) and is the secret up its sleeve for the data fusion part... remember, the most secret aspects of these next-gen projects are always minimum 30 years ahead of commercial capabilities. We also research the counter-attacks to our own secret capabilities, so really we are more like 40-50 years ahead
things are with AESA you could transmit data in tightbeam, the only way you could intercept the transmition is between the 2 aircraft, and you need to know the location before hand to actualy do that.
@@pindot787 If an enemy was directly between two aircraft, they’d probably be dead soon LOL
Yes you can
All this broadcast make me think that if i want to find a f 35 i just need to look for this broadcast it will show me where is the plane. How the f 35 avoid this ?
Point to point communication and high entropy ciphers.
it seems to me (who knows nothing about electronics) that this system puts everything in one basket. Totally dependent on electronic systems. You mentioned that GPS could be integral to the system. I have read that the first thing destroyed by a peer enemy would be the satellites, or use an EMP or something.
F-18 was one of the first combat jets heavily reliant on electronic systems. In the 1980s^^
The advantage of those computer planes is actually that they are less vulnerable for losing contact or sensors. For example, if a 1960s aircraft gets its radar jammed, then it just loses "vision" beyond the pilots eyes. A 2000s aircraft has radar, IR cams, RWRs, as well as a various other detectors all linked together. One getting taken out hurts, but the other still work to get the best idea of the battlefield around the plane, and then combine it in a way thats useful to the pilot.
So theyre really not any more vulnerable, as long as there isnt a massive system-failure. Maybe they even got faraday-cage like structures to resist EMPs.
edit: Well thats kinda what the video says too lol.
Excellent summary, thanks. Still think the Brits should opt for a mix of F35 (high cost, low availability) and JAS39 Gripens (low cost high availability).
But, how do you get the F35 is high cost, and low availability compared to the Gripen?
The Gripen cost more to buy 85 million per copy vs 77.8 million for the F35.
As for up-time and availability ? what numbers do you suggest or have that the Gripen has better availability ?
In fact, I can't even find credible evidence that the Gripen is even less cost per hour to run and fly.
Right now, the F35 costs less per hour to fly then the f22, f15, and F18. The only fighter I can find in the USA that has a lower cost per hour is the F16, but it only 10% less ($30,000 per hour vs $33,000 per hour for the F35). But, WORSE for the F16 is that it takes MORE ground crew hours to keep flying, and after a mission, the F16 has more issues and problems then does a F35.
As for public numbers for the Gripen up-time? We don't have any. But, given the F35 exceeds the F16, f22, f18 and F15? Kind of doubt the Gripen is any better.
The only number I can find is a $25,000 per hour quote from 2014 that occurred during the failed Gripen bid for the Swiss (in fact the Gripen won, but was lost and rejected due to a public referendum).
But, as of right now, reports show this:
Quote:
*_A critical metric of reliability is the “break rate,” meaning the percentage of fighters that return from missions in a non-mission capable state. About 94% of F-35A sorties are completed with no breaks-by far the best performance of any Air Force fighter_*
Note close in above - BEST performance of ANY Air Force fighter.
Quote:
*_A critical metric of reliability is the “break rate,” meaning the percentage of fighters that return from missions in a non-mission capable state. About 94% of F-35A sorties are completed with no breaks-by far the best performance of any Air Force fighter_*
Not just good but BEST of any Air Force fighter. That includes the F16, or f15, or f18, and of course the f22.
Quote:
*_The F-35 was designed to be more maintainable than legacy fighters, and it is. The Air Force variant requires far fewer hours of maintenance per flight hour than the F-15 or F-16_*
Again, far fewer hours!!! Note again, LESS hours then a f15 or f16 - and that thus also means less then f18.
Quote:
*_the number of maintenance hours per flight hour on legacy fighters is a multiple of what F-35A is demonstrating today. The Air Force’s stated requirement for F-35A is no more than nine hours and the actual is five hours, making it the most easily maintained tactical aircraft in the Air Force fleet_*
MOST easily maintained tactical aircraft in the Air Force fleet!!! Note again, LESS HOURS per flight hour holds in favor of the f35. I can explain why this is so, but for now, we will just concentrate on the metrics.
Quote:
*_A key metric of sustainability is whether fighters in need of repair can be fixed in a single eight-hour shift. F-35A has consistently outperformed all other Air Force fighters in achieving this goal, thereby speeding return of aircraft to the operational force_*
Again: CONSISTENTLY OUTPERFORMED ALL OTHER air force fighters.
So, on what bases are you claiming that the higher cost Gripen will result in greater up time, or even lower per hour flight costs?
Remember, the F35 is not a high end priced fighter, but in fact is a lower end priced fighter.
We find this:
Eurofighter/Typhoon: 115 million each
Rafale: 94 million each
F15: 88 million - with weapon pods and combat packages - 125 million
Gripen JAS 39 E/F 85 million
F35: 77.8 million
So from what I can find, the F35 is the lower end priced fighter right now, not some high end priced fighter like a Typhoon, or F15 (both of which cost MORE per hour to fly then the F35, and cost significantly more to buy).
The f16 sold well due to it being lower priced, single engine, and offering good features for that lower end price. Turns out, this is also why the F35 is selling well, since most nations can't afford the higher priced high dual engine fighters, so they go with the lower end priced single engine F35, and thus like the F16, the F35 is the best selling fighter in 40 years. So the F35 holds a similar market price and position that is in the lower end of the market price wise - much like the F16 was.
The F-35 is cheaper than the Gripen and vastly superior.
@@CrayonEater255 But the F35 costs a lot more to fly, so less training for the crews. The Gripen sales pitch is that a fighter in the hanger is less effective than one in the air. The F35 does seem to be maturing into a capable aircraft, but so does the Gripen. It's a question of horses for courses, no one seems to be suggesting that the B52 fleet should be retired and replaced with F35s. As noted in the video a few F35s with other types data-linked in would make a very effective force.
The stealth coating just comes off at high speeds, The Radar cross-section is 0.005m2, about the size of a golf ball. Supersonic flight at the edge of the F-35 jet's flight envelope causes structural damage or degrades its stealth coating. Then it has the RCS of an F-14. I got this information from leaked internal documents from Skunk Works. So you have to get “Winchester” fast and turn and burn.
But I also think how stupid it is that we tell on ourselves when our tech is bad or having problems, and that should be classified. just like when I was overseas and heard on the news how many more troops we were sending and where they were going? that's just reckless and you've already failed before you touched down. but we did during both wars..then a President gave away a highly classified unit on live TV...
15:00 why someone knock your door??
With the sensor fusion you kind of don't need the pilot in the plane anymore.
Might aaswell receive the data on a station in a safe place.
These basic concepts are not uncommon in computing. What is newer is the greater application of doing so.
Yes the kalman filter can be used multiple ways but prediction for future time epochs is a very useful one. This would be applied to movement of sensor tracked objects. These predictions would be used to fill in time epochs where new real data is not available. Realistically this can be done for up to a few seconds before the result without new real input would become unreliable. Well speaking of having done similar calculations on real time kinematic positioning code. So the predictions for a few seconds can remain accurate with satellite traveling at orbit speed.
What's really interesting is the prospect of upgrading the electronics of older planes or plane airframe designs. For instance, stealth ability not considered, the F16 is a 9g capable airframe and thrust vectoring has successfully been done on demonstration and even one handed over to NASA. If the F16 which is inexpensive to produce had the similar electronics and sensor applications how would that fit into current erra military use? Or if small changes to the F16 airframe was done such as a split curved air intake to reduce radar reflection from the compressor blades along with minor external panel changes, could the F16 end up as stealthy as the F35?
It's interesting because as a fighter the F16 with thrust vectoring is capable of a maneuver where it is in a position of controlled flight in reverse in part of such maneuver. The fact that it's capable of not loosing control in such a position is amazing. Why the government never decided to buy the modified design seems wrong.
Exactly I also wished that the F 35 was a duel seater to take even more pressure off the one pilot
Because thrust vectoring does not improve the combat-relevant capabilities of the aircraft, there is no evidence to prove or indicate that. TVC systems are also heavier. It is impossible to make the F-16 as stealthy as the F-35 even with extensive modifications. The material the whole aircraft is constructed from has to be different which imposes a whole new set of calculations, you'd basically be building a different aircraft that might look cosmetically similar. The Super Hornet and Hornet look similar but have < 50% part commonality to my recollection.
@@haydnw869 The idea of using a pilot is becoming increasingly outdated. A 2nd seater moreso. The decision to use manned fighters is driven by politics and policy, not technology. This can be reasonably asserted b/c DARPA developed an AI called Alpha running on the computational power of a Raspberry Pi, a fraction of what your desktop PC can provide. It consistently beat experienced F-16 pilots in simulated engagements, communicated and created attack plans with wingmen within the duration of the human reaction time. That's to say it already knows what to do before a person is conscious of a change in his environment. It is not a surprise that humans are bad pilots. They are slow, fatigue over time, and their very presence imposes additional design requirements that hold aircraft back.
@@halseyactual1732 it makes sense that the airframe would not have the same level of stealth as it was originally designed. It's interesting how you see thrust vectoring. I would have assumed as a general lower cost fighter having extreme manuverability would be useful. The one that went to NASA was later supposed to have its flight systems programmed to make it fly simulating any other plane from a 747 to a MIG. With the system that it had installed it was capable of pretty much any plane built at the time.
I'm sure components of the base frame have a good deal of signal reflection but I also understand that what would seem like minor redesign on an old design would greatly reduce the reflected radar signal. As far as direct ahead the largest quantity of signal reflection is said to be the turbine itself which is why all newer planes have indirect air ducts with multiple locations within having signal absorbtion properties. The direct air duct makes the compressor a near perfect signal reflector.
It was just a thought. I suppose the idea of the newer planes is typically long range battle where the F16 originated in the era when close range battles were expected to still occur. Anyway two separate thoughts I laid out, the one was why the thrust vectoring was never used the second was more of a why design a completely new plane when starting from an working design might have been less costly and ended with a design that was just as good.
You cannot predict seconds worth of missing data and have it be any sort of meaningful. Even with the most cutting edge algorithms available. Enemy aircraft can pull 7.5gs in any direction at any moment. You can’t predict anything beyond if it it continued it’s previous behavior exactly.
Yes, technically the fighter is easy to see but hard to target
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It can be seen with some radars but there are no missile's guiding radars that can lock on the American's stealth planes. If your missiles can't lock on, then it doesn't matter if your short band ground based radars can spots the stealth planes.
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Is f35 signel seater?
with all that information how do they still fly the plane?
Are they long range killers? Seems like you need a co-pilot to help in a dogfight
Are these the assassins right?
Not supposed to be anywhere near a dogfight because the opponent has already been neutralized before they even knew it?
Yes, single seater. This video explains the technology that replaces the weapons systems officer in the back seat. It will even prioritize targets and recommend weapons depending on the situation. So pilot load is actually less than previous generation aircraft. Pilot spends more time looking at the strategic picture, so they can choose when and where to engage so they will outnumber.
They can also see further and are harder to see. So F-35 should be first to fire - which dictates the terms of engagement. E.g. if the enemy wants to live they have to go on the defensive from the incoming missile. That will place the F-35 behind them. F-35 also has helmet targeting - meaning pilot just needs to look at the enemy for it to be targeted. Don't need to jockey for position because of new high off-boresight missiles. It's these technologies that have been changing the nature of dog-fighting.
The F-35 can well process everything alone with a single pilot.
The off targeting is interesting 🤔 it can shoot at a plane directly behind it and see directly through the jet can other 4+planes do this
This is horribly complex and complexity is the archenemy.
So all the advantages are on a frame with very low readiness, limited in maneuvering because of structural problems, limited in speed, "stealthy" only at night and low altitude, reduced and hot internal weapon space... it just needs a pair of capable fighters with the proper weapons at it's side.
And a tanker
Limited maneuverability? do you have a link to support that claim?
here is what one pilot said when they took the F-35 for dogfighting
“Lt Col Ian ‘Gladys’ Knight divulged a little more information about flying basic fighter maneuvers (BFM) in an F-35. ‘When our envelope was cleared to practise BFM we got the opportunity to fight some fourth-generation fighters. Remember, back then the rumors were that the F-35 was a pig. The first time the opponents showed up [in the training area] they had wing tanks along with a bunch of missiles. I guess they figured that being in a dirty configuration wouldn’t really matter and that they would still easily outmaneuver us. By the end of the week, though, they had dropped their wing tanks, transitioned to a single centerline fuel tank and were still doing everything they could not to get gunned by us. A week later they stripped the jets clean of all external stores, which made the BFM fights interesting, to say the least…’
www.keymilitary.com/article/out-shadows-0
@@michaeld1170 Well, yes, you don't even need a link: the official reports to the congress...
Pilots are not free to comment on problems.
Read them, even if the reports are not 100% accurate you will find some real information there... 100's of pages, but the less you can do to get some info on the biggest money spending military project in history
@@Pouncer9000 yep...
@@anpier926 I read them, most of them are related to cost. there was one “severe deficiency” where it said the F-35B and C models will have reduce their time at supersonic speeds for a specific altitude.
It says that after repeated prolonged supersonic dashes at extreme altitudes, there was a risk that some of the stealth coatings on the tail will be burned off which will increase maintenance cost. New stealth coatings are also being developed to further mitigate the risk. Mind you, the A model has no such restrictions because it only applies to B and C models with salt water treatment on their stealth coatings.
So again:
1. it only applies to the B and C models
2. it only happens at extreme high altitude
3. It only happens after prolonged supersonic flight
But of course the media spinned this into , “the Trillion dollar F-35 cannot go supersonic”
There are No such thing as maneuvering restrictions for the F-35 beyond the current 9G, 7G and 7.5G limits for the 3 models. which also exist for all other aircraft m. Find me a report that says otherwise and I’ll read it
I'm going to push back on the effectiveness of s400 or s500 air defense against stealth. How many stealth aircraft have these systems shot down in theaters where they deployed to detect those fighters? zero. I would say the smoking holes that the israreli F35s left all over Syria in spite of those systems supports my opinion more than yours.
Do you have any idea how good the Syrian air defence operators are ? Without that knowledge, you are not in a position to say how effective stealth is. You should also be aware that the Israelis fit their own electronics to the F35, and there is good reason to believe that their airborne ECM systems are significantly better than the Lockheed equivalent.
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Will Russia actually build the su 57 and will it's production fix it's clear issues exposed rivets etc
I don't understand why there is this myth that the Su-57 is not in production. It is but it is a slow production rate because there is a first batch of 12/14 aircraft with old engines. Next year we should start seeing the new variable cycle engine and the full rate production. I don't know how much the sanctions are going to influence it but we know that they went through a full review and a mini redesign a few years ago exactly for this reason.
BTW, if you look the a production 57 it doesn't have exposed rivets. Some of the prototypes were not finished with stealth coating.
@@Millennium7HistoryTech thanks for clearing it up it's a beautiful plane but in the western media we don't get exactly unbiased info especially with the Ukraine war
@@Millennium7HistoryTech The 57 is never going to go into full production. they lack components due to sanctions and theyre way too expensive. Even then they are not even true stealth aircraft like F22 and F35 and lags behind 30years.
@@Yung_pindakaas If you like to think so who am I to convince you of the opposite?
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I don't know why people insist on under estimating their opponents.
Back in 1940 it was common knowledge that Japanese people were awful pilots and their planes were junk.
Everybody knew it except the Japanese. Everybody found out the hard way.
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well, technically you're correct
Pretty good life bar for the f35
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Excuse me??
How 🤔 ❓ 🤔 ❓ do you know all this specific information
Isn't it confidential??
It is all in scientific papers published by LM or people associated with LM. It is behind a a steep paywall, but it is not secret.
Why expose any weakness, if they exist, in our military equipment to our enemies? They probably already suspect what you report but you corroborate it for them.
Good video, a bit light on the DIRNDL for my taste but each his own.
Edit: Data Integration Re-allocation Node and Distribution Link, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirndl
LOL.. I know a F35 test pilot. There's a lot of stuff F35 can, that the public knows nothing about.. 🤷♂️
Can you enlighten us?
@@Millennium7HistoryTech No. But there's a reason why you won't see any F35 at airshows. Only mock ups 🤷♂️
@@heinedenmark Is it mostly technological stuff or does it have more kinematic ability in it like how they unrestricted the aircraft before, could they do it again?
@@forzaelite1248 I don't know all of it. But I think I can say, that it is extremely hard for lasers and fire control systems to auto track it. Many think that laser guided air defense system can't jammed or countered. And they normally can't. They don't care about chaffs and flares.
There is also a lot of stuff that the F35 *can't* do that the public knows nothing about.
Anyone know how many air defense syestems russia has? S300 s 400 ?
Half of what they had before the war🤣💥💥💥🚀
@@junkookbts1273 I found they had about 40 S-400 launcher's, but I couldn't find any data on how many s-300s they have, only that they supposedly have 7,000 missiles. By oryx, they have lost 5 S-300s.
Well....we know the S300 system is not as good as its makers claim. I'm sure the S400 is less susceptible to guidance issues of the 300
@@clayearth8287 How are the S-300s not as good?
@@voidtempering8700 ask Israel, they'll tell you
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Ciao Millennium , complimenti per questo video , sei preparatissimo in tutto .
Verrei chiederti una cosa : ho visto un video in cui un F15 riesce a volare ed atterrare senza una semiala (ruclips.net/video/Z0eOVT_R7uc/видео.html) ci puoi spiegare dal punto di vista tecnico come è stato possibile?
Ciao grazie ancora....
Some of the lift on a F-15 is generated by the body.
Russia has disabled the f35 and had to run it manually because electro is fried flow around in circle over water till another plane was used to guide it back
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This video is awfully inadequate and inaccurate...
Thank you very much for your appreciation.
So you've got all the data. You know where you are. You have priorities. Why bother with a human? They're slower to respond than electronics, and can get distracted. (Honest!) What this baby really needs is an AI for a pilot ... The idea of a manned fighter is quaint to the point of laughability. Fully autonomous? Well ... week after next.
Let's hope NATO algorithms wins....
It's been acknowledged for about 5yrs now that neither the f35 or f22 are stealthy, especially close to mach 1, as proved during the war games trials against the other western fighters. And as has been shown by the ukraine conflict a pair of eyes and ears with good communication on the ground can trump "stealth" easilly.
Has Ukraine or Russia used stealth aircraft much in this war?
If you run thousands of simulations and record each one as a training example for machine learning, you will get software that does what a pilot would do in any situation. Although there would be error (same as with humans), there might also be better answers than a pilot. Why is there a pilot?
There is a fundamental difference between a computer being able to do anything a pilot can do and choosing the correct action for a particular set of circumstances. The former, as you pointed out, is extremely easy to do. The later involves artificial intelligence with morality as part of the program. Right now that's not available.
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You should check you stats, 4 have crashed in the last 11 months alone, that makes 11 overall for well over a billion dollars lost. Another 2 have had incidents while taxiing in the last few weeks, one had the nose gear collapse, another had a fuel leak start from the wing. 6 incidents this year alone. Never in combat. What kinda losses and numbers are those?
Quite average, more or less. Actually lower than the 4th gen. at the same program stage.
Lockheed is not learning from crashed f35s and the latest crash on landing happened for the same reason the F35 crashed at Eglin AFB. The autopilot software.
The latest F35 crash is not the first time the F35 overrode pilot commands plus wrecked the aircraft. The Eglin AFB crash accident investigation report concluded the aircraft overrode the pilot’s command to lift off and go around, forcing the pilot to eject before going off the runway. In today’s crash the aircraft left the engine at full throttle after touch down. This caused the aircraft to lift tail up after landing and tipping it on it’s nose. No doubt the autopilot also overrode the pilot after the autopilot malfunction. He must have been trying to shut down the engine after the malfunction (because the engine stayed on for so long spinning the f35 around instead of shutting down). This forced the pilot to eject before the uncontrolled engine could flip the F35 upside down.
Obviously Lockheed failed to learn from the Eglin crash and the F35 autopilot is still malfunctioning on landings and still overriding the pilot. In both cases, the autopilot turned a bounce into a Class A mishap. And it looks like in both cases, the autopilot then locked out pilot commands (like the computer in the movie 2001)
Well, lets look at the numbers then.
The crash/air frame loss rate I think hit about 1.7. but then again, the F35 is racking up increasing flight hours that are OUT pacing the crash rates we see now have dropped a bit. And there are now over 800 units. (that's already more then Eurofighter, and more then Rafale).
We have these numbers:
Accident rates: (Class A rates)
F15: 2.36 per 100,000 hours
F-22: 5.49 per 100,000 hours
F18: 2.84 per 100,000 hours
F16: 3.45 per 100,000 hours
Harrier: 11.4 per 100,000 hours
F35: 1.66 per 100,000 hours. It not clear if the wheel collapse some weeks ago is to be included in the above.
(however, the above does include the F35b lost in Texas this week).
More interesting, is last year, the total flight hours increased by about 100,000 more and thus
current total as of dec 17, 2022 is 602,000 hours.
I am thus only including 10 lost airframes, but even if I include 11, the F35 STILL is doing better then any other fighter with any significant flight hours.
More interesting? I count only one F35 pilot lost so far, and that INCLUDES the testing phase. (which is VERY rare).
And the F35 also has escaped the so called “bad” early years in which we often see high crash rates.
So, for example the bad “early” year for the F16?
They had a whopping 17 F-16 crashes in ONE year! (1982). (that means MORE then one a month of was crashing)
And even more amazing? There are now more F35’s flying now than when that bad early year occurred for the F16.
And even the fan favorite and loved F15 Eagle?
They saw eight (8) in one early year - 1978.
And from 1995 to 1996, 10 F-14’s were lost. From 1991 to 1996, I believe the total is 30 F-14’s lost.
The F35 not really had that "worst early year"
so far, based on the numbers?
The F35 is turning out to be by a GOOD margin the safest new fighter ever introduced and that includes loss of pilot lives, and the lowest crash rate and loss of airframes.
Nevermind those are insane numbers of losses for 100 million each and never deployed in combat or that they are never deployed east anymore either ever since the stealth su 35's started sneaking up to their windows without being seen or that are not even trusted by your own navy to be deployed on your new 13 billion dollar carrier.
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Huh? How is the F35 crash rate high when it less then any other fighter I can find in use? did you fail grade 3 math then?
As for deployments? the F35 well on its way to being one of the most widely deployed fighters among a boatload of nations.
From UK, Australia, Norway, Japan, South Korea, Israel, Italy, Canada, Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, and a whole bunch more I left out?
we talking about the most successful fighter sales wise by a HUGE margin here. More nations are buying, choosing and flying the F35 then any other new fighter platform in 40+ years. Lockheed can't keep up with demand, and they have too many orders.
It would seem the rest of the world does not agree with you, and they are lined up to buy the F35, right then?
And the F35 is being chosen by more nations due to the low cost and price of the F35.
Eurofighter/Typhoon: 120 million each
Rafale: 94 million each
F15: 88 million, 125 million with weapon packages.
Gripen JAS 39 E/F
F35: 77.8 million.
So, I fail to see how the F35 is the high priced option then.
You might be mixing up the F22 here, as it never really saw any combat experience (a few rare examples???).
the F35 is starting to build up a combat record. But, suggesting that the F35 is the high cost option here?
Nope! - it is less then most 4th gen fighters.
And suggesting the F35 has a high loss rate compared to other fighters?
Nope! - its at the the top of the list - far better then the F22, and near every other fighter I can find.
F35 from what I can tell has done more real combat missions then the F22 has already anyway.
Note sure what you mean by "non" deployments? The F35 seen multiple deployments in the middle east, and that includes deployment on the British HMS Q, and also by USA LHA class ships.
The combat record will come, since it MOST certainly is seeing wide spread deployments. Its seen action by the Israel air force, in Afghanistan (USA), and as the sales numbers keep racking up we see more live engagements.
That start was Trump, and that is totally real estate BS!
We killed the F-22 for this bs!?!?
The F-22 is 40 years old and the F-35 is able to go toe-to-toe with the F-22 during exercises
The F-35 is far ahead of the Raptor and will be more useful. Also it isn’t a 40 year old airframe
@@CrayonEater255 No, its a 20-year old design - still not debugged, and overly complex. And years behind schedule and fraudulently over budget!
They keep pouring on more complexity to solve its deficiencies - and it just gets worse!
If this boondoggle lasts 20-years I will be shocked!
The F117, the last boondoggle, was retired after 20-years in service!
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp The F-35 Air frames are still 5 years old at best. It’s a near perfect Aircraft with no ‘bugs’ and is winning more awards than any other aircraft in the export market. Cite your sources you poor troll.
Too many advertisements- and no actual combat proofs. Let’s wait and see it in real combat.
Please stop doing the ridiculous comedy routine with Otis- it's not funny and detracts from your message.
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