One insane thing that happened is at the very first game is that your opponent didn't get a discounted raft card duo to your MMM, the card they got was at full cost of 6, if they had it discounted they would have played it rather that just waving on 5... The other thing happened at the 3rd game with Miles, with MMM he doesn't return to his original 5 cost after discounting to 1 cost no matter what.
Wait, at 12:00 Miles cost didn’t increase back to 4 even though there wasn’t any move on the previous turn. Seems lime a really powerful Mobius interaction
Yeah, I learned the hard way about swarm LOL. I assumed it was considered a whole new card that was 0 cost. A bit weird its considered to be reduced cost since the text doesnt make it seem like that
That deck is easily beaten and countered thats why....they cant hit shuri again because they already did and they cant take away ongoing effects.....what they can do I think is make sauron only hit the cards in your hand and not in your deck....make it on reveal instead of ongoing .....I dunno if that will ever happen though....sounds like a good change though tbh
@@DickTracy-zi3iu oh I'm not saying Shuri Sauron should be nerfed. I absolutely love that deck, I've been playing it nonstop. I guess my og comment sounded salty, but I'm just pointing out that Mobius doesn't affect Sauron at all since that deck usually doesn't care about energy reduction. I might throw MMM as a swap in for armor.
i think Mobius was the most needed card. There are hard counters to destroy, ongoing and on reveal, but cost discount/increase had only one enemy/friend, wave. But Mobius opens up so much more options while also limiting other popular playlines. I think the longterm effect is that it broadens the amount of viable decks, rather than ruining decks. Right now he'll be really oppressive, but that's the newness. When things settle, he's just an amazing addition.
The problem is he is a good card both for offensive if your opponent doesn't have it, and defensive. Maybe we needed 2 cards, do do this effects on a separate way. Or maybe remove some power, since he's effect is already good enough. Main problem right now is that he kills many decks, and doesn't affect much the much prevalent one which is loki.
@@Rortheri think he should just effect both players. Make it so one Mobius means no players cost can be effected positively or negatively. I honestly thought that was what he was gonna do all thr way up till launch day lol. Just keep him a defensive card.
I would swap Cap Marvel for Rogue. If the opponent drops a Mobius early and you don't draw yours, you can just steal theirs while shutting them down with a Wave play. Marvel is neat, but the nerf really makes her effect hard to activate, and having an extra ensurance against Mobius-Wave decks really goes a long way
All I know is with the amount of Destroy decks I have been facing, it's nice to be able to stop Death from being played. Also pretty satisfying when you drop a Mobius the turn your opponent decides to pass to try to get out a cheaper she-hulk.
I'll be teching rogue alongside MMM and Wave for people that run MMM out early, though it seems like most will run him out on T5. Wave MMM is obnoxious as a combo. MMM should be 3 energy and Ravonna 2, they'd be much more balanced.
2nd season in a row I hit infinite with one of your decks. Last month was the Goblin/Prof X/Orca build. I keep getting stuck at 90-95 with my own builds. I appreciate your creative genius getting me over the hump. This deck is seriously crazy. I only bought Mobius because of this video, and really glad I did. A sleeper OP card while no one else has it.
I used a version of this where I replaced Alioth with Magneto and Angela with shadow king and hit infinite, it worked way too well. Shadow king lets you counter some crazy shuri or venom stuff
@@Rin-ix9dl I honestly haven't seen her once at infinite or conquest for weeks. There was that safetyblade deck that played her but honestly thought that was terrible
I think they should change it so alioth is always revealed second. They could buff the stats so it’s not a huge nerf, but it just seems more fun if you can actually have a chance to see your cards go off before they’re deleted.
With how impactful MMM is, I would have expected him to be 6k tokens. It honestly would’ve been better to make this impactful card be 6k tokens so there wouldn’t be an over-saturation thus making him less impactful.
@@leonelrivera3082 "NO THANKS" Yeah, no dip everyone deserves to get new cards but if a card is meta defining, it deserves to be a little pricier so that it doesn't saturate the game. Stop thinking selfishly.
Honestly he's like any other tech card. He exists which makes certain strategies riskier. After the week one shock n awe passes hell be another Luke, Cosmo, Echo ... cards that get played where they fit anyway.
@@circle7538 dunno man, I have gotten mileage out of Echo. I think because nobody plays her people forget she's on the board. I can't tell you how many Devil Dinos and Knulls people have played on my CLEARLY Echo'd lanes.
Mobius seems like a problematic card. Like it has a bunch of cool interactions, but if you Mobius T2 and Wave T3 and your opponent doesn't have Enchantress or Mobius in play then their cards are locked at 4. That kills archetypes like Bounce and Sera. Its like old Galactus making Cosmo almost required, but Mobius is locked away behind Spotlight Caches.
They'll likely make it so he cant be used offensively like that at some point. With all the crazy ways to lower cards cost and speed up the ramp, snap pretty much needed a card like this to exist.
Yeah if Mobius morphs the meta even more I'mma just take that as a sign and stop playing. Don't feel like investing money into cards when you don't know if they'll get nerfed or not and having to spend to keep up sounds mad lame.
Hate is strong word. It’s frustrating but it’s pretty preventable, and a necessary card for the game. If you’re getting into a position where your opponent can play a single card and win, you’ve likely already lost and should have retreated earlier.
I have 5.4k tokens. Do I get mobius or alioth? Sadly I was unlucky with spotlights past couple weeks so didn't get ravonna, alioth or zabu from them, but super lucky the weeks before, so I feel it kinda balances out.
I assume Second Dinner had some massive brain drain in the past few months. There is absolutely no reason for 3M to have a 2/3 stat line, 2/1 would be crazy bonkers for an asymmetrical effect like this. Ravonna could have launched at 3/7 and would still be worse. Absolutely incredible how out of touch and unbalanced these recent card releases beginning with Loki have been.
Okay hear me out, you can actually play morb wave, and then combo it with Zola and Odin, and that males the enemy cant play any big cards while you dump big cards, but kinda hard to achieve since all 4 cards needs to be in hand on turn 3/4
I like him w ironlad as the four drop miles feels bad because he gets hit by opp mobius. I also kinda dislike this card its opposite loki vibes, where it comes down to who draws mobius early. But I guess we need to see if rogue and mana generation keeps it in check.
Card is actually broken, the intro part talking about how if they have a mobius they'll be fine when you Wave. I played a match and we both have Mobius down and my Death was still stuck at 8 despite multiple destroys so not sure if it's intended with an uncancellable ongoing effect or a broken interaction with her...
@@Tairashimuzu Nah but the wording says your cards cant have their cost increased, YOUR opponents can't have their cost decreased, why wouldn't they cancel out? as far as I'm concerned they fucked up entirely with the description of the effect if not implementing it.
I’m in the same boat as you, I normally play Aero as a replacement but that doesn’t work here haha, so you can play Chavez to hit your combo, Ultron as a mini Doom, Magneto to move their mid cards, Gambit as a mini Alioth, or Orka for just power
Saved 1 spotlight cache last week because I want to get jean grey then I got ravonna Now I saved 2 spotlight cache and ofcourse I will get a 1000 token and a kang variant BRO HE and MMM is so good why give me 2 trash
Can't wait to pick up Mobius! I'm a control player at heart in most card games and he lines up perfectly with helping control the game. I think we might see a resurgence of Enchantress to counter him if the meta gets too tilted, but Cosmo can also come in if that happens!
i feel like mobiles counteracting wave is just stupid and only made to make the card better when it already a counter to a big part of the game why dose it become. super combo with like the death wave she hulk back in the day it is gaving the feeling of wave is just a you only play one card which is the reason the change was made why are bring it back.
mobius has spoiled a lot of fun for other decks aside from loki decks.... pretty lame. Seems like every new card is just a counter play card. Makes the game boring. *edit: He should be a 1/2 card.
Love getting off and having a vid up
"getting off" 🤔🤔🤔
Love when you guys get off to my videos.
@@keybirdgaming4527 nothing wrong with a little post-nut snap
@@RegisKillbin Every single video
You know we like to snap it out @@RegisKillbin
I keep calling him morbius on accident 😂😂😂
i'm with you 😂
It's mobin time.
@@RegisKillbintime for mobin
My favorite Owen Wilson role, Morbius M. Morbius
I’m the other way round. I call morbius mobius now lol
One insane thing that happened is at the very first game is that your opponent didn't get a discounted raft card duo to your MMM, the card they got was at full cost of 6, if they had it discounted they would have played it rather that just waving on 5...
The other thing happened at the 3rd game with Miles, with MMM he doesn't return to his original 5 cost after discounting to 1 cost no matter what.
that card is actually broken as shit, wtf.
In that first game, I assume they didn't play the raft card because Mobius prevented it from costing 0
Nicely figured out, that's an awesome interaction
Yeah, bonus Mobius dominance.
That's brutal, I love it and hate it all at once
Mobius auto-include for the foreseeable future
If that's true then he's broken
I love it when mobious said "its mobin time" and mobbed all over the place
Wait, at 12:00 Miles cost didn’t increase back to 4 even though there wasn’t any move on the previous turn. Seems lime a really powerful Mobius interaction
Yeah weird interaction. Once it's decreased, doesn't get increased again.
I wonder if that would work with She-hulk over multiple turns
Rip Iceman. Poor guy caught a stray from Mobius
Love it. Won't miss an annoying Iceman anytime soon lol
Hes good for pre pool 3
Swarm... 💀
@@ApahtieParty omg poor swarm! That brother is gone! She hulk too! 🥲
Yeah, I learned the hard way about swarm LOL.
I assumed it was considered a whole new card that was 0 cost. A bit weird its considered to be reduced cost since the text doesnt make it seem like that
That Great Web at 27:20 pulling the big Kraven and losing the game also happened to me the other day... 😭
Left me fuming...
No one talking about that first game where you threw Alioth into armor? 😮
Came to say this, Dr Doom right was the scary thing to play around - which was possible because alioth couldn't do anything vs armor.
In the first game, their raft card wasn't zero cost even before wave because Mobius.
wave 'meta' is bad so we release mobius. but then they are played together and have a great synergy making wave 'meta' worse. nice job.
The triple M era has begun 🙌
I find it amazing that another insane tech card comes out to completely shake the meta and it still doesn't make Shuri Sauron budge even an inch.
That deck is easily beaten and countered thats why....they cant hit shuri again because they already did and they cant take away ongoing effects.....what they can do I think is make sauron only hit the cards in your hand and not in your deck....make it on reveal instead of ongoing .....I dunno if that will ever happen though....sounds like a good change though tbh
@@DickTracy-zi3iu oh I'm not saying Shuri Sauron should be nerfed. I absolutely love that deck, I've been playing it nonstop. I guess my og comment sounded salty, but I'm just pointing out that Mobius doesn't affect Sauron at all since that deck usually doesn't care about energy reduction. I might throw MMM as a swap in for armor.
8:25 love that Luke Cage ended up at Luke's Bar!
I wasn't ready for the deck name first thing in the morning. Another banger Regis
what could be an alioth replacement? i couldnt get him in spotlight:(
Wave was already in 9 out of 10 top performing decks for months now, but this Mobius + Wave interaction is gigabusted, didn't think about it at all..
Literally everyone thought about that wtf are you talking about
@@leaf8396 HE didn't think. Not everyone has time/desire to spend time thinking on a card before its release.
"Kraven, you idiot!" got me good 😂
i think Mobius was the most needed card. There are hard counters to destroy, ongoing and on reveal, but cost discount/increase had only one enemy/friend, wave. But Mobius opens up so much more options while also limiting other popular playlines.
I think the longterm effect is that it broadens the amount of viable decks, rather than ruining decks. Right now he'll be really oppressive, but that's the newness. When things settle, he's just an amazing addition.
The problem is he is a good card both for offensive if your opponent doesn't have it, and defensive. Maybe we needed 2 cards, do do this effects on a separate way. Or maybe remove some power, since he's effect is already good enough.
Main problem right now is that he kills many decks, and doesn't affect much the much prevalent one which is loki.
@@Rortheri think he should just effect both players.
Make it so one Mobius means no players cost can be effected positively or negatively.
I honestly thought that was what he was gonna do all thr way up till launch day lol.
Just keep him a defensive card.
@@TheGameVerse Sure i agree with this change. And it would still be a good card.
Trying to resist Morbius as I want every card next month but I might need him.
I would swap Cap Marvel for Rogue. If the opponent drops a Mobius early and you don't draw yours, you can just steal theirs while shutting them down with a Wave play. Marvel is neat, but the nerf really makes her effect hard to activate, and having an extra ensurance against Mobius-Wave decks really goes a long way
All I know is with the amount of Destroy decks I have been facing, it's nice to be able to stop Death from being played. Also pretty satisfying when you drop a Mobius the turn your opponent decides to pass to try to get out a cheaper she-hulk.
Perfect vid!! Best MobiusMMobius deck for sure!! you have to play it with Wave and combo 4+2 at turn 6!! Genius!!
Having success with the deck, thx Regis
I'll be teching rogue alongside MMM and Wave for people that run MMM out early, though it seems like most will run him out on T5. Wave MMM is obnoxious as a combo. MMM should be 3 energy and Ravonna 2, they'd be much more balanced.
Renata😭
lol, edited@@Naitlait_ur_mom
@@paulbremner5477 but it was funny
So mobius actually makes it so the raft resource is it’s original cost. Because cost can’t be reduced to 0 😉 so he couldn’t play it out on 5
I opened 3 of my caches and received 2 useless variants and 1000 tokens.
Sometimes I really wanna quit this game
So far trying out this deck... 5 straight matches and not one draw of MMM. Played one mirror match that I had to retreat.
I'm here for the shoulder dance after wrecking Galactus player 😂 29:12
Forth games you forget to play The Thing in Washington D.C. he plus 3 there. So canage + The Thing total 12 powers.
2nd season in a row I hit infinite with one of your decks. Last month was the Goblin/Prof X/Orca build. I keep getting stuck at 90-95 with my own builds. I appreciate your creative genius getting me over the hump. This deck is seriously crazy. I only bought Mobius because of this video, and really glad I did. A sleeper OP card while no one else has it.
I used a version of this where I replaced Alioth with Magneto and Angela with shadow king and hit infinite, it worked way too well. Shadow king lets you counter some crazy shuri or venom stuff
That galactus read was so nice
The Aero inclusion surprised me, havent played with that card in so long
aero has been in the last few meta, she is quite popular when the silk deck blew up
@@Rin-ix9dl I honestly haven't seen her once at infinite or conquest for weeks. There was that safetyblade deck that played her but honestly thought that was terrible
High Evo is literally everywhere lol
Triple m with wave is very potent, especially if you can put down goose to prevent a location from being played too
Mr.Regis Ik this is early but can find/create a deck with mobi that’s the best of them all
The Wave interaction contradicts their previous ruling on how she works.
Either way it’s implemented it’s a contradiction to either card.
I think they should change it so alioth is always revealed second. They could buff the stats so it’s not a huge nerf, but it just seems more fun if you can actually have a chance to see your cards go off before they’re deleted.
What would be the point of priority then lmao
I just got him in a Spotlight Cache. He seems fun!
The fact that Mobius works in combo with wave, but ALL the other ongoing cost reduction cards don't, makes me upset.
At 16:30 I think you forgot that The Thing would get the Washington DC buff
I just added rogue instead of cosmo to my deck and like stealing his ability making all those waves back fire if still played.
With how impactful MMM is, I would have expected him to be 6k tokens. It honestly would’ve been better to make this impactful card be 6k tokens so there wouldn’t be an over-saturation thus making him less impactful.
Everybody deserves to get new cards easily. The cheaper the better. So NO THANKS.
@@leonelrivera3082 "NO THANKS" Yeah, no dip everyone deserves to get new cards but if a card is meta defining, it deserves to be a little pricier so that it doesn't saturate the game. Stop thinking selfishly.
@@OzoneGamerStationwait to see 1 month of a card spammed 90% games like high evo
i want him to have less impact so this is good for me
Honestly he's like any other tech card. He exists which makes certain strategies riskier. After the week one shock n awe passes hell be another Luke, Cosmo, Echo ... cards that get played where they fit anyway.
Definitely not echo lol
@@circle7538 dunno man, I have gotten mileage out of Echo. I think because nobody plays her people forget she's on the board. I can't tell you how many Devil Dinos and Knulls people have played on my CLEARLY Echo'd lanes.
Cerebro 3 with Mobius and wave is nasty
What happens when the Loki gets your Mobius from your starting hand?
Mobius seems like a problematic card. Like it has a bunch of cool interactions, but if you Mobius T2 and Wave T3 and your opponent doesn't have Enchantress or Mobius in play then their cards are locked at 4. That kills archetypes like Bounce and Sera. Its like old Galactus making Cosmo almost required, but Mobius is locked away behind Spotlight Caches.
Or 3k tokens. Which these days are impossible to come by.
They'll likely make it so he cant be used offensively like that at some point.
With all the crazy ways to lower cards cost and speed up the ramp, snap pretty much needed a card like this to exist.
Yeah if Mobius morphs the meta even more I'mma just take that as a sign and stop playing. Don't feel like investing money into cards when you don't know if they'll get nerfed or not and having to spend to keep up sounds mad lame.
Mobuis gives us the old "wave"
I feel like Mobius could be really useful. I might have to pick him up.
I put him in a C-3 deck with wave and mysterio and bast and 56 percent win so far i think it could be better with some tweaking!
4 games so far and my hand never showed him from the deck ... arrrghhhhh lol
I have come to hate alioth, the card is a crutch, shut down two lanes, then just play alioth and win.
Hate is strong word. It’s frustrating but it’s pretty preventable, and a necessary card for the game. If you’re getting into a position where your opponent can play a single card and win, you’ve likely already lost and should have retreated earlier.
Imagine not running armor or cosmo
I have 5.4k tokens. Do I get mobius or alioth? Sadly I was unlucky with spotlights past couple weeks so didn't get ravonna, alioth or zabu from them, but super lucky the weeks before, so I feel it kinda balances out.
I assume Second Dinner had some massive brain drain in the past few months. There is absolutely no reason for 3M to have a 2/3 stat line, 2/1 would be crazy bonkers for an asymmetrical effect like this. Ravonna could have launched at 3/7 and would still be worse. Absolutely incredible how out of touch and unbalanced these recent card releases beginning with Loki have been.
He's probably going to make a stale meta even worse, but we'll see
Sadly this is what I've already foreseen: Loki needs a heavy rework, it't the most broken card ever released.
I was hoping this would make Wave less prevalent but we will somehow see wave even more... Hurrah.
😂
And…I got Kang for the spotlight cache I saved 😂
Me too, only consolation is I saved 6k tokens. Don't mind spending 3k for MMM
Lmfao the double Alioth!
Okay hear me out, you can actually play morb wave, and then combo it with Zola and Odin, and that males the enemy cant play any big cards while you dump big cards, but kinda hard to achieve since all 4 cards needs to be in hand on turn 3/4
It's hard to play Mr. Negative now 😅
Should I buy mobius or should I save for galactus?
This was already my favorite deck. Now I just add triple M and profit.
I just got my 3M I will try this deck
I like him w ironlad as the four drop miles feels bad because he gets hit by opp mobius. I also kinda dislike this card its opposite loki vibes, where it comes down to who draws mobius early. But I guess we need to see if rogue and mana generation keeps it in check.
Its morbin time
Did you replace Jean Gray?
Card is actually broken, the intro part talking about how if they have a mobius they'll be fine when you Wave. I played a match and we both have Mobius down and my Death was still stuck at 8 despite multiple destroys so not sure if it's intended with an uncancellable ongoing effect or a broken interaction with her...
If you play Mobius' then all cards will be stuck at their original cost making Death Unplayable
@@Tairashimuzu Nah but the wording says your cards cant have their cost increased, YOUR opponents can't have their cost decreased, why wouldn't they cancel out? as far as I'm concerned they fucked up entirely with the description of the effect if not implementing it.
it's Mobin time 🤨
I already hate this card. My first match in infinite conquest was against a deck with Mobius and Wave combo and I had no chance, so I had to retreat.
Replacement for Alioth?
I’m in the same boat as you, I normally play Aero as a replacement but that doesn’t work here haha, so you can play Chavez to hit your combo, Ultron as a mini Doom, Magneto to move their mid cards, Gambit as a mini Alioth, or Orka for just power
he basically killed sera decks though, and if people use zabu as well, it was good run, until they nerf his effect lol
Run mmm and Rouge
Bought him for 3k. Hard earned tokens
Saved 1 spotlight cache last week because I want to get jean grey then I got ravonna
Now I saved 2 spotlight cache and ofcourse I will get a 1000 token and a kang variant BRO HE and MMM is so good why give me 2 trash
Does mobius enable death wave shenanigans again?
i just opened 3 spotlight caches and got everything but mobius :) :) :) :) :-:
the morbius mobius deck when?
Him working so well with wave is so fuckin annoying
Their 1 drop is always 1 drop even if he wave then your 6 drop is still 6 drop that is so unfair
Can't wait to pick up Mobius! I'm a control player at heart in most card games and he lines up perfectly with helping control the game.
I think we might see a resurgence of Enchantress to counter him if the meta gets too tilted, but Cosmo can also come in if that happens!
if both players play Mobius, does he cancel out?
Yes
I guess you can say that you losing the great web game was a "Canon event"
Mobius Von Mobius
It's an "anti-fun" card, which is necessary, but can't be as prevalent. And doesn't counter Loki much, while kill many decks.
Did you mean to play alioth into an armor? Didn’t matter but lol
Something to replace doom?
It’s not the same power output, but Ultron spreads like doom bots.
its Mobing Time...
They never had a 0 cost, mobius keeps the raft card at 6 cost
do I dare try opening a spotlight cache and run the risk of getting Kang
Edit: I risked it and it hurts
Mobius M. Mobius, a true sex icon.
Im probably quitting snap this month...
i feel like mobiles counteracting wave is just stupid and only made to make the card better when it already a counter to a big part of the game why dose it become. super combo with like the death wave she hulk back in the day it is gaving the feeling of wave is just a you only play one card which is the reason the change was made why are bring it back.
Mobiuses? Mobii?
Stature? Nope.
Swarms? Nope.
Even the rarely played beast?
Zabu? Nope.
Good bye Sera.
Dumb card. Bad season.
Sandman even more useless now lol
Disrupt the balance. The entire game environment becomes terrible.
mobius has spoiled a lot of fun for other decks aside from loki decks.... pretty lame. Seems like every new card is just a counter play card. Makes the game boring. *edit: He should be a 1/2 card.
A video about mobius and people crying about alioth lmao. Stop being greedy and run tech cards….
Mobius need mr. Negative.yep. this is buff for mr. Negative deck