@@brentcook24 Of course!! My last sled was a 2005 M7 and (at the time) it was amazing. I'm still trying to figure out how to ride my Khaos. I'm trying to figure out how much of my problem is ME versus how much is the sled.
My 2019 ctec 800 cat was just a powerful as my 2022 850 khaos. Thinking the 858 will be like the 9r with even more kick. If cat would offer the twin rail I would go back to cat.
I have over 4000 miles on 2023 XCR 850 with ZERO issues and I ride harder than 99.9% of people out there. 2021-2022 had some issues, but things have improved no doubt. Meanwhile, Doo seemed to be having the most problems this winter. They're all great when they run great but none of them are immune.
Out in the mountain sleds they all seem to have their problems, but I just go with the chassis I like best and right now that's Polaris!! I agree with you.
You guys hit the nail on the head!!! They all got their problems!!! I think if you could take something from all three manufacturers ( cat, doo, polaris) you could have one hell of a sled. I'm a cat guy at hear there's always a lot of hate Towards cat and a lot of biased Towards them, but I getit I also feel they are falling behind. I feel doo and polaris are leaving them in the dust!!. And I'm honestly thinking of a doo back country xrs r. Or a polaris switchback 850 turbo, but the Unreliability of players right now and the black plague of recalls has me sucking guessing that option.
I rode a g5 for the first time last weekend and I hated how it handled. I agree feels like it has a mind of its own. Granted it was my first ride and I could get used to it but it would take some time.
Did you make this video pre 2024 release? Skidoo release their turbo with water/meth injection for 2024. And the 858 from cat is lighter than their 600
Not needed, IMO. If you ride deep a lot and are an "average" level rider, consider the 165 just for the flotation. Otherwise, the 155 is probably best unless you're in Colorado's sugar snow. Even Chris Burandt prefers the 165. My Khaos is a 165 2.75... the Catalyst 858 I ordered is a 154 3.0.
I snow checked a new cat base model alpha all black upgraded to the Garmin G8, front bumper and aluminum running boards. 18,048 plus tax. I’m also going to run the fox QR3 coil over shocks so roughly 19-19,500$
Also tiaga have trail sleds and I believe mountain as well but only available out of the states. I work at steamboat powersports and we took delivery of a few that customers have ordered through tiaga. So they do exist. lol
No one in our area has one. Not a lot of people that ride Cat in general but the ones who do are still on the older chassis. Would like to try one for sure.
I don't see the appeal to mtn riding at all. It's like the purple hair of snowmobiling. major TPS! Ski-doo is so ugly=pug polaris is ugly and unreliable buy Arctic Cat. Old sleds pre 2006 are and will always be the best. I hate rider forward hurts my knees, hips and back. I won't buy a new sled until they bring back comfort riding positions and 2 stroke triples. There will only be 2 distributors moving forward lets say in 5-7 years and both suck imo. Winters suck past few years and sleds are way too expensive. Mtn riding I have zero interest in=TPS. Snowmobiling is a dying sport, they have pushed a segment of the sport out by focusing on the crossover/mtn=TPS segments and it will be there failure. Trail riding is king and the lack of focus to innovate sleds for comfort and reliability is hurting the industry, and stupid high prices. The most reliable sleds are on there way out,Yamaha 4 strokes. there is a reason there resale is so good and it's only going to get better. At this point my interest in new sleds is zero. No character anymore. Artic Cat make some 2 stroke triples you will win the market!
Today I snow-checked a Catalyst 858 154 3.0. With electric start. :) Next season I'll see how it compares to my '23 Khaos 850 165.
That's AWESOME!! You will have to let us know what you think next year. I would be interested to see what you think!!
@@brentcook24 Of course!! My last sled was a 2005 M7 and (at the time) it was amazing. I'm still trying to figure out how to ride my Khaos. I'm trying to figure out how much of my problem is ME versus how much is the sled.
My 2019 ctec 800 cat was just a powerful as my 2022 850 khaos. Thinking the 858 will be like the 9r with even more kick. If cat would offer the twin rail I would go back to cat.
I have over 4000 miles on 2023 XCR 850 with ZERO issues and I ride harder than 99.9% of people out there.
2021-2022 had some issues, but things have improved no doubt.
Meanwhile, Doo seemed to be having the most problems this winter. They're all great when they run great but none of them are immune.
Out in the mountain sleds they all seem to have their problems, but I just go with the chassis I like best and right now that's Polaris!! I agree with you.
Do you guys mess with limiter strap settings? That has influence on nose dive (or lift).
Marcus has messed with his on the Ski-Doo but I haven't on my Polaris
858 motor is 3 lbs lighter
I will go on 6lbs diet
You guys hit the nail on the head!!! They all got their problems!!! I think if you could take something from all three manufacturers ( cat, doo, polaris) you could have one hell of a sled. I'm a cat guy at hear there's always a lot of hate Towards cat and a lot of biased Towards them, but I getit I also feel they are falling behind. I feel doo and polaris are leaving them in the dust!!. And I'm honestly thinking of a doo back country xrs r. Or a polaris switchback 850 turbo, but the Unreliability of players right now and the black plague of recalls has me sucking guessing that option.
I rode a g5 for the first time last weekend and I hated how it handled. I agree feels like it has a mind of its own. Granted it was my first ride and I could get used to it but it would take some time.
Ya I agree they aren't as precise as the Polaris but a lot of people LOVE them. Think it's mainly what you are used to.
To me, I see a 146 Boost for the mountain series and a 9R for the trail series. I don't expect a 900 bosst untill the next chassis in 2027
Crazy that they didn't even release the 146 Boost
Buddy, has some add going on Moving Buddies mic all the time
hahahah
I think Polaris needs a turbo 4 stroke
Hahaha I would enjoy the sounds!
Did you make this video pre 2024 release? Skidoo release their turbo with water/meth injection for 2024.
And the 858 from cat is lighter than their 600
Ya we did!
I always debate a 165 or 155, would be cool to see a 160” 2.75. Something in the middle
Not needed, IMO. If you ride deep a lot and are an "average" level rider, consider the 165 just for the flotation. Otherwise, the 155 is probably best unless you're in Colorado's sugar snow. Even Chris Burandt prefers the 165. My Khaos is a 165 2.75... the Catalyst 858 I ordered is a 154 3.0.
The a arms are made to fail quick so you don’t take out something bigger. Is what it is. Rather replace a $250 a arm than bulkhead.
I agree 100%!
nobody talks about the skidoo clutches and cranks that have blown apart...
Left ski's snapping like twigs as well. I know 5 people personally that cracked theirs.
VERY dangerous!
I snow checked a new cat base model alpha all black upgraded to the Garmin G8, front bumper and aluminum running boards. 18,048 plus tax. I’m also going to run the fox QR3 coil over shocks so roughly 19-19,500$
Also tiaga have trail sleds and I believe mountain as well but only available out of the states. I work at steamboat powersports and we took delivery of a few that customers have ordered through tiaga. So they do exist. lol
That is exciting. That is cheaper than the Boost but still CRAZYYYY that sleds have gotten this expensive...
@@brentcook24 right it’s getting out of hand for sure but what isn’t
We tow more doos than poos. 🤷🏽♂️
hahah I have never heard that but its good to hear because I love the Polaris
@@brentcook24we’ve towed/limped back 4 doos this year. Zero poos.
Local dealer still has tiaras
Huh I have never seen one in person! That's awesome wonder if they are selling...
I can't believe you guys haven't ridden a Catalyst. Where are you hiding yourselves?
No one in our area has one. Not a lot of people that ride Cat in general but the ones who do are still on the older chassis. Would like to try one for sure.
Skidoo is just as much garbage as the rest of them
I don't see the appeal to mtn riding at all. It's like the purple hair of snowmobiling. major TPS!
Ski-doo is so ugly=pug
polaris is ugly and unreliable
buy Arctic Cat.
Old sleds pre 2006 are and will always be the best. I hate rider forward hurts my knees, hips and back.
I won't buy a new sled until they bring back comfort riding positions and 2 stroke triples. There will only be 2 distributors moving forward lets say in 5-7 years and both suck imo.
Winters suck past few years and sleds are way too expensive. Mtn riding I have zero interest in=TPS.
Snowmobiling is a dying sport, they have pushed a segment of the sport out by focusing on the crossover/mtn=TPS segments and it will be there failure.
Trail riding is king and the lack of focus to innovate sleds for comfort and reliability is hurting the industry, and stupid high prices.
The most reliable sleds are on there way out,Yamaha 4 strokes. there is a reason there resale is so good and it's only going to get better.
At this point my interest in new sleds is zero. No character anymore. Artic Cat make some 2 stroke triples you will win the market!
What is TPS? Also why would they go back to triples when the twins are lighter smaller and put out more horsepower?
The "purple hair of snowmobiling" hahaha never heard that one...