Jessica Birch okay but I don’t think you only are a theatre kid when you listen to modern shows. I personally just like modern shows better because the music just has better quality and its just different than like 10 / 20 years ago. I also like modern stories better. I get what you mean. But liking musicals makes you a theatre kid. Doesn’t matter what year they’re from.
@@barbara2.087 I agree with this. I however believe that to be a theatre kid you have to listen to more then one musical. For example, I only considered myself a Hamilton fan when I only listened to Hamilton and then I listened to Heathers and only considered myself a theatre kid upon listening to Heathers.
I think the „problem“ with the Heathers UK recording is that it sounds very clean, the off-broadway one sounds much more like rock and just raw? Anyway that‘s how I feel
I think Aisha Jackson, the standby for Anna, portrays Anna better than Patti Murin. (she just fits the part better, and even though Patti Murin is super talented, I prefer Aisha Jackson as Anna.) I LOVE Caissie Levy as Elsa soooo much though.
Yes! I think that Cassie is fine, but with Patti it was just, I don’t know, a little awkward? I saw the tour cast on Sunday and OMG! Caroline B. and I. did AMAZING! It was a much better fit.
Edna Turnblad is played by a man because the first person to play her is the famous drag queen Divine, so its an homage to her! it would be cool if more drag performers played her maybe? Divine is also the inspiration for Ursual the Sea Witch from The Little Mermaid
Yeah, also a lot of the jokes are centered around Edna being played by a man, it doesn't work as well being played by a woman, from what i've seen at least. Trunchbull on the other hand, doesn't matter as much in that regard, so a woman can play the role just as well or better than a man.
@@jackofhearts5542 As well, if you have a Drag Queen play her, the jokes feel more inclusive and meta, but when it's a costume a skinny guy who doesn't do drag puts on and takes off for 1 production, it just feels like standard Aren't Mannish Women Ugly fare
People defending Henry VIII like he wasn't a real person who cheated on his wives, killed them and treated like shit... Clearly they did not watch Horrible Histories as a child.
i’m sorry i don’t mean to attack anyone’s opinion but imagine being like “i know he beheaded a couple of his wives but henry really was a stand up guy” 😭😂
I completely agree. The show sort of makes fun of him murdering his wives. But that’s really wrong to use your power to to do such horrible things here’s a short list of how he treated his wife’s Cathrine of Aragon Only married her because he wanted an heir to the throne and when after 24years. Had passed he divorced her Out of anger that she didn’t have a boy just proving that he never really loved her Anne Boleyn Now before I say this do want to say King Henry was cheating on constantly so she decided she would too but Henry finds out and essentially he goes mental so like I said after Henry has been cheating he decided to murder her Jane Seymour Didn’t really do anything wrong to her but rumor has it that he never loved her he only wanted a child and she died in child birth Anne of cleves Here’s the funny thing about Anne of Cleves Henry saw her portrait and wanted her to marry him so she came to London and they got married after they were married she refused to sleep with him because she wanted to make Shure if she had a child they would be part of royalty so he became impatient and divorced her and need a reason so he said she didn’t look like her Portrait and if that were true he wouldn’t have married her from the beginning. Cathryn Howard Was also beheaded for cheating while Henry cheated on all of his wives constantly Cathrine parr Once again he didn’t Really do anything wrong to Catherine of course he cheated on her like he did his other wives, but no biggie... he died and cathrine became queen Sooo.... king Henry was essentially a pretty bad guy...
also, apparently the whole Anna of Cleves catfishing thing was a rumour spread by Henry after she cussed him out after he disguised himself and came on to her.
As someone who has lived through domestic violence and abusive relationships, I think that Waitress does address the issue. It's told from Jenna's perspective and you get so many glimpses of her realizing her situation and getting out of it. I relate so much to Jenna and seeing her happy and healthy after what she's gone through feels right. Although I do not condone the cheating subplot it was necessary for her to take control over her situation. And again from my experiences I think the musical handles it very well. - Evelyn.
I can see where the argument is coming from but I think if you take into account the fact that it's supposed to be a generally uplifting musical, it does do a good job addressing the issue. Things do get resolved a little neatly but the show isn't about everyone's experience with domestic violence, it's about Jenna's experience. And for her, she needed to start caring about herself again and to find the strength to stand up for herself. I don't think it's saying that everyone will be able to get out of an abusive relationship that easily. Also, there are so many small moments in the show (I've seen direction where Earl carries Jenna into the bedroom after a scene that strongly implies spousal rape) that I think are more meaningful than the possibly exploitative choice of showing physical violence or showing Jenna looking bruised and battered. There's enough violence against women depicted in the media. I don't think it was necessary to get the point across in Waitress.
Dr Pomatter thought Jenna what it felt to be loved and cherished and cared for. It was a relationship she needed to realize that she could have that. Most people stay in abusive relationships because the emotional abuse tells them this is the olny thing you can have. Once Jenna realizes that she’s worth way more than the way her husband treats her and that she can have more and she can give more, then she becomes unstoppable and most importantly she embraces happiness and fights for her own and her child’s happiness!!!
see I find it the other way around. I sympathize with people who cheat on abusive partners because they aren't safe enough to leave, but it felt like the abuse was just a vehicle to get the romance going, which always skeeves me out
I honestly think Angelica is a really underdeveloped character. She had a lot of potential but she was mainly just used to create a love triangle for drama.
In the original John Waters film Hairspray, Edna was played by the drag queen Divine, who was a close friends of Waters and appeared in most of his movies. The writers agreed that they wanted to honour the film by carrying on the tradition of Edna being a man in drag.
Fully agree that Turnblad should always be played by a man in drag (though the casting of Travolta in the film was debatable). The Trunch one is interesting though. That one definitely is debatable but Bertie Carvel was brill in the role.
in that case they should be played by drag queens and not just men in dresses who want to do it for a laugh. every time someone did that show while i was at uni it made me extremely uncomfortable watching a guy put on a dress and everyone around them laughing because its a very short leap from that and myself being laughed at for being trans.
unpopular opinions! musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better 1. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better 2. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better 3. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
Hard agree with this one. Think Hamilton is brill but damn I wish some people put just an ounce of energy they give Hamilton into other musicals. Just a little bit.
@@Imperialscorpio waitress and tuck everlasting off the top of my head, but i'm sure there are others. waitress didn't get as overlooked, but it did get completely ignored at the tony's due to hamilton's sweep. and tuck everlasting is a fantastic musical, but it got so overshadowed that it closed after a month.
YES. “oh the theatre kids who have worked all their life to be actors are EVIL. and people who don’t even care get cast who have no experience?” Totally fine.
thank you for defending Hamilton. I think it’s one of those shows that you have to see to FULLY grasp everything that comes together in it. Most of the people have listened to the music and judge it from that (which it is totally okay) but I think what makes Hamilton is not just the music but the staging, choreography and acting. Sadly most people are unable to see it.
I totally agree. I only listened to the music for a long time, and kinda liked it, but it wasn't my favourite. After watching the bootleg (pls don't hate on me, I live in Australia) I gained an appreciation for it that I didn't have before, the movement and flow of the show works really well, and I think it is a masterpiece, even if it isn't my favourite show. I think Hamilton deserved the tony that year 100%. Although I did find it very very fast pace, and didn't understand what was happening the first time watching it. I think its a show where you have to listen to the music before you go and see it to have some kind of idea as to what is going on. But also, at the same time, it's good because the more you listen to it/watch it, the more things you pick out and notice. You know what I mean?
OH MY GOD. EACH AND EVERY DETAIL WAS CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT. I COULD SPEND MANY HOURS EXPLAINING SONGS AND LYRICS AND LITTLE THINGS THEY DO. IT IS JUST GENIUS. IT'S SOO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE SEE IT.
I m kinda a really new musical theatre fan (like maybe have been for a year or so) and Hamilton was one of the first musicals I ve listened to and it immediately became my favourite, I can’t even explain how much it changed my life but anyway as a person who has listened to the entire thing to many times to count and knows like every single word and small detail in the music I have to say that it’s just so genius. I got the chance to see it in new york a week ago (I live in Canada) and it was so beautiful I literally cried during my shot because I loved it so much. I think that if people don’t think it deserved the award they should do more research about all of the small details. PS: just gonna fangirl for a second but I met the cast and they were so amazing plus like most of the main cast took pictures and signed playbills and were just so nice. AAAAAAA
I already love Hamilton with all my heart, I already cried with Hamilton, and I haven't watched it yet, I don't think I'll be ever able to see Hamlilton on stage... BUT MAN IF I WILL SEE IT IN THE MOVIE HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Also with the teen thing, you also have to consider that teens aren’t actually allowed to portray certain things, so if you had actual teens in shows you’d have to compromise with the shows not being an accurate portrayal of teen behaviour. I’d rather a thoughtful, truthful portrayal of being a teen with 30 year olds over “kidz bop” versions played by fifteen and sixteen year olds.
I agree for the most part because a lot of the time they cast adults to play teens and make them do “adult things” for no reason at all and just sexualize teenagers. In heathers a lot of the sex scenes are not necessary, they could’ve just been referenced by other characters. However, in Spring Awakening it is necessary. Idk if I got my point across right
I have to disagree with the idea of men not playing drag roles. I saw a production of Matilda at my camp, and Trunchbull is now on my dream roles list. She is a queen! I feel like there are so many female characters I love and relate to, but I'll never be able to play, so I'm happy we have two like Trunch and Edna. I also wish there were more of the opposite, male roles to be played by women,.
@@alluneedislessthan3 I agree! Anyone can play anyone they want! With certain things like race and sexuality, it's not okay, because there aren't as many roles for actors of different identities, but there are tons of roles for both men and women, so it really doesn't matter. Anyone can play any gender they want, and have fun with it, as long as they aren't using it to put down that gender
I agree with you too! One of my favorite roles is the son in TTO, which is played by a woman. I didn't like the woman reporter From Chicago, because, as a trans woman, it felt almost... Mocking? I guess? People should play people of other genders as long as they don't punch down in their comedy while doing so. I think the belief that people shouldn't be playing roles of other genders is just kinda... Regressive. I agree with @Anna S that it sounds almost TERFy
I think a probem is that there are so few roles for women anyway, especially for older women. There are more female roles in modern musicals (like Legally Blonde or Mean Girls) but it's a problem still. I do perform in a college musical group and, like most groups, we have a lot more women who want to be in it than men, but finding musicals that have more female roles than male ones is really, really hard. Most of the times it's like 6 men and 1 or 2 women. And so seeing these roles that could be played by women but aren't is annoying. And it's also no accident that it's always the same trope of "this is an older women that doesn't act in a feminine way and it's funny because it's actually a man, get it?" that's getting super old. I wouldn't want to change the roles we already know, liike Hairspray or Matilda, because that's what they are known for now, but I do hope we won't get more of this in the future. Write roles that are specifically written as drag queens (like la cage aux folles for example) or as trans characters, that's cool. But I wish they wouldn't just use the gender swapping for comedic effect.
@@TheSongwritingCat I can understand that. I honestly think the way Trunch is played has effects on this. I've seen productions of Matilda where Trunch is just portrayed as this scary, tall, deep voiced woman, which definitely ties in with what you're talking about, but I've also seen productions where she's super sassy, with a shrill voice, really more than just the stereotype of a manly woman, which to me, turns her into a super fun role. I can understand how in certain cases, it would be offensive, but I've seen a few productions where it's just fun, and no one's focusing on the fact that it's a guy playing her, just how funny she is as a character. If you lean in super hard into making her this scary, manly character, then I think it's a stereotype, but if you just make her a super fun drag role, then I don't think it's a problem. Some of her songs, like "The Hammer," can be super fun if you play her this way!
I think that if Waitress was in a different year, it would have won best musical (for example, the year the Bands Visit won, I think Waitress would’ve won) no shade to bands visit either
Heather McNamera in the movie was pretty free of guilt, as we never see her actually do anything overtly mean. In the musical, they kind of add a more mean tone to her, so not the cinnamon roll people faun over.
Not only that, but the scenarios completely switched in the Ram-Kurt sexual assault scene. In the movie, Veronica abandons McNamara, while McNamara abandons Veronica in the musical. They’re practically different characters, imo.
@@meli2066 they're tackling the same message with the same characters but with vastly different angles on how it's presented. In the film, Veronica goes into a silent shock upon realizing that Ram is actually dead, and is willing to kill Kurt knowing this. In the show, she kills Ram by accident and then JD takes out Kurt and she's immediately remorseful
Hmm. I usually kinda see it the opposite way. While McNamara in the musical is doing mean things, she got a redumption and was forgiven. And even tho she left Veronica in the musical, after all she called her not to do anything other then save herself while in the movie she fully aware drags her into date rape. But it's kinda sad how she sees herself being raped as normal "The last guy I slept with killed himself the next day"
I'm not sure what that person's criteria are in deciding whether someone is a great ruler for England, but it should be noted that in addition to having two of his wived executed, and very nearly a third, the total number of executions he authorised during his reign is estimated to be in the region of 57,000-72,000. For a point of reference, the entire population of London when he came into power was c.60,000. Among these executions were several of his own advisers, tax collectors, and friends who he used as scapegoats for his own mistakes. So yeah, great ruler and all-round delightful human being.
I disagree with the person who said Edna Turnblad shouldn't be played by a man because in the original movie, she was played by Divine who was a drag queen. I think the fact that shes still being played by a man is an homage to Divine and a way to honor her influence on drag culture
Theatre geeks who get super angry about other people's opinions need to take 'five more minutes' to stop acting like SIX year olds and learn to BE MORE CHILL
Unpopular opinion: The mean girls music is actually really good and shouldn’t be getting any hate. Some songs aren’t as good as others, but overall, it’s one of the better movie to musicals score that I’ve listened too.
Joshua Wiggins I agree, was intrigued by the lyric in Someone Gets Hurt “yes they do that”. But I understand how hard lyric writing is. Also cautionary tale is a BOP
It's fun to listen to, but I wouldn't call it a good musical. I feel like they relied too much on the fandom that the movie had (has?) and how newer shows like DEH, Hamilton, Heathers etc. were making good money out of teenagers and young adults. The writing of the musical is not the best, and the songs feel like rock and pop songs adapted to a story more than created for the story imo. and yeah, "A Cautionary Tale" is a bop.
Yeah, most of the characters were pretty much the same and better (expect Janis). Unlike other huge musical addaptation, which name I won't mention, that took super complex and interesting 3 dimentional characters and squish and oversimplified them. You probably now what I am taking about.
1. I prefer the West End over Broadway, I think West End is somewhat easier to get into so more people have a chance to become a star (though it’s still really tricky) 2. People need to stop hating on The Music Man, it’s not the musical’s fault that Broadway managers didn’t bother finding a new theatre for poor old Beetlejuice 3. They need to come up with new ideas for musicals, I can’t stand movies being turn into musicals (besides Heathers + Mean Girls) I want some original musicals! 4. Everybody’s Talking About Jamie is brilliant and underrated, but Jamie became a dick to his mum and his friends in act 2 5. I didn’t love Waitress the musical...sorry Also you should start an Instagram account for The Squip Squad!!
b- b- but waitress 🥺 but other than that i 100% agree (although i don’t know how i feel about movies into musicals, it depends. waitress, mean girls, beetlejuice? sure! lion king, King Kong? not so sure.)
"They shouldn't make movies into musicals besides these 2 I liked." Basically what you're saying. Guess what? Other people have movie to stage adaptations they like. You can't just say the 2 you like are the exceptions when there isn't anything that make them any different from other adaptations besides that you think they are better. Either be against unoriginal plots, or accept that adaptations like this makes a lot of great shows as well as some not as good ones just like original shows do.
Garrett Wade yeah that’s fair lol, I didn’t really think about that one. I guess there are exceptions other than the ones I listed, but even so. Good point 💖
There is one role I think HAS to be conventionally attractive and that is Elle Woods. Because "being blonde and being hot" is literally the characterization she starts from and grows from. People misjudge her because she's beautiful and blonde and they think she couldn't possibly be smart because of that. A solid half of the character interactions with Elle would make no sense if she weren't played by someone generally considered attractive.
yesss. also regina george, the whole point of her character is that she puts people in trances and she claims that aaron only liked her because of her looks. but elle overall.
It's your choice, guys, either 25-35-year-olds who are reasonably talented and have lots of experience in the field, or actual teenagers who probably suck.
Here are mine: 1. West side story is really long and boring. They could easily add more to fill the hour long time in the middle where everything drags on. 2. I find Spring Awakening very gross, disturbing, and unnerving. I didnt think it was a great tale of teen sexuality or telling the tale of teens finding out about sex and what to do with themselves. It could have been done differently. The actors were great but I did not like the story. 2. Rolf and Christine belong together. Phantom was a psycho. He killed people and stalked, kidnapped, and manipulated Christine. I honestly do not get how people feel bad for him. 3. SHARPAY AND RYAN TOTALLY DESERVED THE ROLES OVER TROY AND GABRIELLA! They didnt even say they were going to "audition" until the time was up. They didnt audition in the first place and Ms. Darbus gave them callbacks. They also didnt even make it to that either. Late yet again! Sharpay and Ryan were significantly better anyways. And how on earth are the theatre kids portrayed as bad in this movie?? Who do they think it was made for?
I didn't get the Hamilton hype until I actually saw it - I never really listened to the whole soundtrack and only listened to the more emotive songs, so finally seeing it as a whole and hearing the intricacies changed it for me! Relistening I understood the double/sometimes triple meanings of the lyrics, and picked up on the motifs. It genuinely is the most well written musical out there.
I think thats what makes it great. They are able to tell this amazing story so artistically and convey to the audience difference places and times without the assistance of massive sets. Don't get me wrong. I love me an elaborate set, but I think this show in particular worked so much better with minimal set
Here are my unpopular opinions 1. I don’t like Dear Evan Hansen, the music is ok at best, the story is generic, and I hate the fact that Evan gets off scot free just because “he has social anxiety and he’s a soft boi uwu” it makes the whole story seem toxic. He lied to so many people and there’s no consequences for that? 2. I didn’t mind Love Never Dies, the story was really fanfiction like but it has great music. It’s a guilty pleasure of mine. 3. German musicals are so much better than a lot of what’s on Broadway right now, not saying Broadway sucks because I love a lot of Broadway shows but the German musicals have a lot of substance in their stories and music. 4. Great 👏 Comet 👏 deserved 👏 better
To be fair, everyone in DEH sucks. The Murphys because they pushed Evan to lie (they were the ones insisting that the letter was Connor's despite Evan denying it MULTIPLE TIMES. They're the ones (forcefully) invinting him over and putting him in a very uncomfortable position with their fighting over their DEAD son essentially trashing him in front of someone they thought was his best and only friend. They didn't respect Evan's boundaries and wishes) and because they did "replace" Connor with him and because they didn't treat/parent Connor well (it's implied and said they did their best despite not knowing what to do but they ended up creating a very bad environment for noth of their children), Connor because of how he traumatized Zoé and because he refused his parents' help (implied that he did feel bad about both and didn't WANT to and that he had a bad combo of mental illnesses or something), Jared because he encouraged Evan to get along with everything then helped him before trying to cash in the movement it created and for being terrible towards him for all of their lives, Alana for posting the letter without Evan's consent and knowing it was personal and then ACCUSING the Murphys of being terrible people despite not knowing anything about the situation which started their doxxing, Evan for keeping up with the lie for so long (he was a victim of the circumstances and there was no good option but he allowed it to go farther than it should have and he let himself projecting onto it and Connor, a very REAL person who just DIED then he tried to use it selfishly and push his close ones away/is an asshole towards them [the show does punish him right after it and acknowledges that this was not okay and he went too far]), Heidi for not being capable of noticing her son's mental issues and lies (she acknowledged it and felt terrible but she couldn't do more, her situation was doomed). Zoe is the most blameless because she doesn't do much and is affected by every issues the othercharacters have. DEH is a show where you watch the characters make bad decisions in situations where there is no other option. But it also forgets/doesn't have time to acknowledge everyone's fuck ups which is a shame. Instead you can only see the most obvious problems/bad decisions if you're not over analyzing the show. To me, it's its biggest flaw. Also Evan doesn't get scot free: he kinda loses everything he finally had (friends, gf, "new family", his (toxic) way to cope), he can't go away from what his lies created either. What did you want the Murphys to do? Get him also doxxed? If they revealed anything, the backlash Evan would get would be terrible and dangerous. Not to mention that it would not help their situation and maybe make it worse. They also grew to care about him so it would be even shittier. Not to mention it would also ruin Heidi's live and she didn't do anything wrong towards them. They did what any decent person would do. Honestly there was no other way the show could end. There are no "satisfying ending" because that's simply impossible and unrealistic. But yeah the fans do have a tendency to forget how complex the situation and the characters were and reduce it into what I call "tumblr stereotypes". They spread a lot of misconceptions which become the base of a lot of critics of the show. Not that you're not entitled to your own opinions or anything!
@@ondiiina i agree, DEH is my favorite show but i hate how everyond forgets and even how the show seems to dowmplay everything EVERYONE did, not just Evan (the Murphys were not grieving Connor in a healthy way and they unknowingly pressured Evan knto the lie in the first place, Jared pretty much told Evan to lie and got mad at him after he only started talking to him for the emails despite him being an awful friend who never made Evan feel like they were even friends in the first place, made harsher in the novel cause it's mentioned they were actually kind of close once, Alana posted what she was made to belive was a suicide note, no need to say anythimg there ..... Zoe is the only character who seems to not have done something really messed up if you ignore how rude she is at first but that is because she was abused by Connor and she does not know what to feel after he kills himsel).
Jo Henderson I got you, here’s a few good ones. Elisabeth, which is basically the German hybrid of Hamilton and Anastasia. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/IGz4qseaxDs/видео.html Rebecca, my favorite musical of all time based off the novel by Daphne du Maurier. The whole musical isn’t uploaded yet because the uploader is still translating the English subtitles but you can still watch the majority of Act 1 or find the book and read it while you wait for the rest to be uploaded: ruclips.net/p/PLy1MbM9MuArcJJHzoI9B55m51rRL9QOx1 Here’s another production of Rebecca that has the whole thing but I personally like the one above better. Turn on CC for English subtitles when you get to Part 5: ruclips.net/p/PLP42Xq5nyGZAeDL4JsRfIW5f5ozR8aZdp Mozart, not a favorite of mine but it’s still really cool. If you like Hamilton you’ll love this one. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/NHrC0IUZ1Vo/видео.html Tanz der Vampire, another really popular German musical. It played on Broadway but the Broadway version sucked, this one’s a lot better. If you like Phantom of the Opera you might like this. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/FvA7SeErpGg/видео.html
also, the gatekeeping one about “you don’t like musicals, you like pop” made me mad bc it’s not even an opinion, it’s just someone who decided they have the right to decide who is and isn’t a fan of musical theatre
I like Edna and Trunch being played by men cuz drag representation, and men being feminine but you also made a valid point about woman being able to play masculine roles
I know so many people think Hamilton is overrated, and ngl, before I saw it, I was starting to lean into that camp like "it just can't possibly be THAT good" I had listened to it & enjoyed it, but not really LOVED it as a whole- there are lots of pieces I skip when I'm listening to it. But then I did see it, and it's the only musical I've ever cried in (I'm not a crier) and honestly, I went in a bit skeptical because of all the hype & thinking it wouldn't live up to everything I'd heard about it and then it just punched me in the face with emotions and actually was so much better than I was expecting. There was just something magical about it to me, and then out came the waterworks. They weren't even pretty tears, they were ugly tears, literally everyone on my row was just bawling.
Super unpopular, but I agree with the girl that said that Hamilton is overrated. It's very good, but there are so many people that say it's the best show ever, and I just don't agree. The real issue I have, though, is that sooooo many shows were overshadowed because of it, and never got any love. It's just sad. And when I tell people I'm into theater, and they tell me "Oh, I know Hamilton!" it just bothers me.
Jamie Hood I agree with you. I think Hamilton is good, but because of all the hype surrounding the show my expectations were so high so when I saw it, it was not as good as I was expecting.
I agree. Hamilton is great and I do think it deserved the Tony but saying that it's the best musical ever created and that anything else is complete trash is just a bit far fetched
I think Hamilton is overrated to; would have much preferred it is a large majority of the show wasn’t rapped (especially key historical events) and had a more “Broadway” sound to it :) xxx
Agree. But as a teacher, I have to say Hamilton seriously got kids reading and researching American history on their own so I'm a huge fan of the effect Hamilton has had in our schools in this area. It made American History more exciting.
@@thatonechick4551 Definitely agree with that! It's great that people are more educated because of it. I just wish that it didn't dominate so much that nothing else got attention that year
Unpopular opinions: 1- Anastasia deserved so much better. As someone who watched the musical, it was a work of art. Christy Altomare and Lily Coogan were queens, the stage was beautiful and the costumes were work of art. It doesn't get the recognition it deserves 2- Taylor Swift wasn't the only good thing in Cats. Her character was made a villain and how can they get rid of Demeter??
Aha I’m one of those annoying half in half out people in musical theatre community 😂 I like listening to musicals but I don’t understand any of the dramas and I never get to see any shows
Also, I like that i can listen to (and this time talk about) musicals with people who like them too on this channel, seeing i’ve got no friends who do, so thanks for these videos Amy! I enjoyed hearing your opinions
My biggest unpopular opinion is that Urinetown is actually one of the funniest and, believe it or not, deepest shows! I love it to bits and it’s def one of my faves. It tackles so many important topics and a lot of people refuse to see it just because of the title. The whole point of the show is that the characters are aware of the rather weird subject matter 😆
I do think that Galinda >>>> Elphaba simply for the reason that, yes elphaba has had it harder growing up, but if you think about galinda’s life, in its own way was hard. She tried to be Elphaba’s friend and then had to pretend to the whole kingdom that she hated her. She also had to come to the realization that fiero didn’t love her. Also, in regards to waitress not winning the tony. I think that waitress and the other shows running that year should have won something but I also think that Hamilton was pretty stunning. I still prefer waitress as a show partially because it was kind of the underdog that year. Finally, in regards to “modern musicals aren’t musicals” I think that’s actually kind of rude because many people work on a show and even if it’s a flop or if someone doesn’t like it, I think if you put yourself in their shoes and how it would feel to be hated on for something you worked hard on.
Sharpay and Ryan were *ROBBED* they clearly had the best audition, they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP ON TIME, they had both been in shows before and the director knew all about them, like yeah Gabriella and Troy sound kinda good I guess but they didn't even show up to the damn audition and they still managed to get a callback and the leads
I think I prefer Glinda to Elphaba for the same reason I prefer Aaron Burr to Alexander Hamilton. It’s like how people say it’s more moving to watch an actor fight back tears than it is to watch them cry. It’s cathartic to watch someone stand up boldly for something they believe in but it’s relatable and often gut-wrenching to watch someone constantly hold back, doubt their own ability/talent, battle with their own mind, and regret things they’ve done in the past.
i’m gonna respond as i watch the video haha 1. galinda is absolutely iconic but alphaba is just better 2. i haven’t seen it :) 3. i agree but teens can only do so much, also the majority of theatre people are adults who need jobs and if they look and sound young i don’t really care 4. i haven’t heard that much of it but i kinda agree 5. it annoys me but like i called a goal in soccer a touchdown once 6. i still can’t get over the west ends “DONT TALK ABOUT MY MOM” 7. agree 8. hamilton is amazing, no matter how old and popular it gets it is incredible. 9. i disagree because modern musicals are MUSICALS. my friends who love pop don’t like my contemporary theatre music. 10. i kinda agree?? the men are really funny but i don’t think edna deserves it. she’s feminine and there’s nothing comical about her body. the trunchbull deserves it, it makes the character more funny, she doesn’t deserve depth while edna does. 11. lol they shouldn’t be shot but theatre is such a special experience that people don’t understand, there are so many people there, live, and you gotta respect it. 12. OMG YES! and i’ve done this. i used to quiz my friends on theyre hamilton knowledge and then would call them fake fans. i also used to get really mad at tiktok people for using heathers and legally blonde sounds. now i realize it’s not that deep. 13. disagree cause makeup exists lol 14. i think she does deserve better but she’s wired to be the snobby rich popular girl. yeah she’s soft but she’s not nice lol. 15. disagree 🤪 16. i disagree!! theatre is so hard!! and you never stop! you always gotta bring your all! 17. jason derulo was great too! 18. i agree, it’s traumatic. they make it a joke a few times 😔 19. dude he’s getting exposed that’s the whole point of the musicallll 20. agree it’s still annoying tho 21. agree obvi 22. AGREE THATS THEYRE THING THATS THE ONLY THING THEY WANTED
About the Edna opinion, she's always cast as a man in drag because it is a tribute to Divine, the first ever person who played her on the original John Waters movie and who happened to be a drag queen. It has nothing really to do with the character acting masculine or femenine (men and women can act however they want).
one of my favourite parts of waitress is right after you will still be mine when Becky and Cal glare at each other and you realise how trivial everything you've seen in the diner so far is and how much Jenna's dealing with every day. idk I like how domestic violence isn't really the point of the plot but it seeps into every other part of her life
I prefer the Broadway recording over the West End recording. I think it's just because Barrett's voice is so powerful compared to Carrie's, and the way she and Ryan sound together is just beautiful!
I just wanted to add my 2 cents when it comes to the question about The Trunch and Edna Turnblad. I feel like in musicals, women are given amazing roles and especially in new musicals. I feel like "yes, there can always be more female representation, but I don't think that that is a major problem." There are many men who like to dress up as women or play with gender. These men usually become Drag Queens, but they can't really do musical theater that much because there are just not enough roles that they can fill. They are not cast in roles which were written for females because the directors just don't think they look good enough or, because they are men, they cannot sing in the necessary range for these roles. Roles which are written for men but are conveying a traditional female character are needed. I feel like having some of these roles is something which is needed and should not be stopped. When it comes to the problem of men portraying women to make them seem ugly/undesirable I 100% agree, but I feel like that is a different conversation.
Hard disagree with that Hamilton one because it’s not just popular because it’s “a new sound” but also because it’s been a game changer for POC in theatre and that’s really important
I feel like with Six, the focus of the musical is their lives, so it makes sense for them to be negative towards him without the story showing us anything else, I actually loved that he’s not even in it
honestly I don't get why everyone's saying that Heather M is the best character or so sweet either, like she's a good character but not a very good person. Martha on the other hand is just so precious and kind of underrated
I think my biggest unpopular opinion is that *Six isn't the best musical idea/show and won't do well on Broadway.* It is basically a glorified concert. All the songs are a bop, but it doesn't have a cohesive storyline compared to other musicals like Hamilton, Wicked or literally anything else.
hadestown is a modern musical and that’s jazz & i love jazz which is why chicago & hadestown are my favourite shows and also for me i love beetlejuice but i really don’t hear it as pop but that could be bias. some modern musicals suck tho😭😭
I think the reason I don’t like the West End cast recordings that much is because it sounds old, like they don’t sound like teenagers. I like Meant to be yours better though
I just worship the cast with Ryan, Barrett, and Jessica. I’ve seen some other good casts, but they match the characters perfectly... and so does the rest of that cast. It will always be my favorite
TOTALLY agree with everyone who mentioned how elitist/privileged/gatekeeper fans can get. at the end of the day it's about enjoying yourself and sharing it with like minded people. the stage door stuff has gotten ridiculous. was I bummed when certain actors didn't come to the door? yeah, but it's not something they are required to do. I feel like social media has escalated the problem. people feel like they *know* an actor when they really don't. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING. my possible "unpopular" opinions are Dear Evan Hansen is slightly overrated; though that just might be me feeling uncomfortable with the plot. I've dealt with social anxiety all my life so I can't really feel sympathy for someone that lied about being a suicidal person's friend to feel special, people are too harsh on musicals based on previous ips; especially those aimed at kids/teens, and that overzealous fans can ruin a musical for me.
I love Waitress but there's something about Hamilton that makes it feel so huge. I definitely prefer modern musicals to classical ones, they just resonate a lot more for me and I find they're a lot easier to get into. I agree that it's an interesting point to say that they shouldn't be played by men. I guess it depends on what the individual productions are going for, it'd be interesting to look into why those casting/directing choices were made originally. Sort of want to agree with the theatre etiquette one? Y'all need to keep Heather McNamara out of it! That being said, I think I just think her actresses are adorable. Sharpay and Ryan 100% deserved the lead. There was a good video on the FilmTheorist channel talking about how Troy is the true villain of HSM.
For the person who said "beauty matters more than talent" I think they meant that casting directors will cast a person that's pretty and not as good at singing before they cast an ugly person with a great voice
That was exactly what I meant. Or if it came down to two people for the same role and they both had excellent talent that qualified them for the role, but one was conventionally more attractive than the other, they would most likely go for the one who is more conventionally attractive because visual marketing and “superficiality”
The comparison of a Tesco worker giving great service and a customer waiting at the door to thank them... This is amazing!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Every little helps mate!
No, comfortable to the ear makes sense. I totally hate the Disney into the woods but I love the recorded musical on Amazon. Also, I totally agree with the final one. Kelsi's original song was slow and bring and they fixed it! Troy and G had never been in a show before, so they would probably be better in smaller roles!
9:46 YESSSS THAT WAS ME LIKING HAMILTON BEFORE IT CAME TO THE WEST END WHEN IT OPENED ON BROADWAY SPENT AGES RECOMMENDING IT TO BE IGNORED THEN SUDDENLY IT'S IN THE UK AND THEIR FAVOURITE SHOW AND THEY'RE QUOTING IT IN CLASS LIKE WTH
"I think we should be grateful when people do it and understanding when people don't." *Louder for the ones in the back* Also, Robbie Fairchild was the best thing in Cats the movie.
I super agree with Amy about modern musicals being legitimate musicals. To otherwise argue that someone has to like old musicals in order to be considered a true musical fan sounds like a form of gatekeeping the community. What's the point of excluding people who also appreciate musical theatre? Even if they have different tastes, every musical fan appreciates the magic of musicals that occurs when so many expressions of creativity come together. There is so much more to geek out about beyond the score. Also, the insinuation that pop music is an inherently bad genre sounds like a second form of gatekeeping. Besides, pop music is a much broader genre than it used to be. Maybe that particular person is thinking of contemporary pop?Which, sure, can be very different from "old musicals" (also a very broad category). I'm late to the party, but I'm loving this channel!
agree with this, apart from the ‘favorite is the squip’ you can have your own opinions, but i personally can’t like a character that’s abusive. (don’t get me wrong, it’s an amazing role and great character plot wise, but i can’t like him)
I disagree with not liking Michael. Michael's my favourite character. However, I do agree with not shipping Jeremy with Michael. I believe Michael deserves better then Jeremy. (Source-MITB)
I hate when people say you don’t like musical theatre just Becuase you like Morden musicals. In my experience at 15 most of the musicals I listen to is considered Morden/contemporary as they are trying to appeal to my age range more then what a classic considered musical would do I think people just need to understand Morden musicals are aimed towards a younger generation and that nothing to hate upon we still respect the classics but prefer Morden styles
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE!! "Who's House is this" From Mean Girls is a bop. "Do This Thing" this a bop (also because Ben Tyler Cook) and "more is better" is not that bad. "Stupid with Love" Isn't my favorite but I'll still listen to it. If it's on a playlist, I skip it. If I'm listening to it while listening to the sound track, I don't skip it.
With the Heathers cast recordings, I prefer the Off-Broadway one, except for JD. I think that he sounds too redeemable in a way in the Off-Broadway one, however, in the West End one, JD is aggressive and I'm a firm believer that JD needs to sound scary. Like the audience needs to feel uneasy around him... If that makes sense...
I totally agree that Edna Turnblad should not be played by a man. Edna being played by a man deprives her of her femininity and her respect. I understand that the role was originated by Divine but it would be neglectful to ignore the fact that drag, as much as it is an amazing art form, has been used to dehumanize women, especially this character. Edna is such a complex and enduring character that so many could relate to if she was just played for laughs. Instead of helping the audience to understand the toll society has taken on this woman, this direction encourages them to laugh at her, "haha that sad fat woman looks like a man." Edna's story addresses issues of body image far more often and far more poignantly than Tracy's. Tracy has very little to no self esteem issues. She is confident so far enough to be considered possibly oblivious. While this is admirable, it's fairly unrealistic.Edna is a real person with so many valuable things about her and unfortunately making her a drag character most often results in her dehumanization and being forced into comedic objectivity.
My Opinions: 1. I hate revenge party. 2. Barrett Wilbert Weed is incredible but she needs to take a break, take a chill pill and not be rude to her fans, and stop playing teenagers. She’s 30. 3. Hamilton is not overrated. It’s rated exactly where it should be. 4. Les Mis > Phantom 5. Green Finch and Linnet Bird is THE overused “underground/unpopular” audition song. 6. Liking only modern musicals doesn’t make you a fake fan. 7. Little kids shouldn’t be seeing waitress. 8. Theatre is toxic and everyone’s a gatekeeper.
@Ivy G basically, in her instagram story about how she doesn’t like stagedooring (which is completely fine that she feels uncomfortable doing it, by the way) she said “do not come up to me. i don’t want to meet you. i don’t want to talk to you”, etc. which comes off rude especially because most of her fans are less than 16 years old. imagine telling a child that their idol doesn’t have any interest in meeting them. that leaves me with an iffy taste in my mouth.
@@abbiezinn3352 I respect your opinion, but I do think Barrett had every right to not meet fans if she isn't comfortable. Though, she probably shouldn't have word it that way so I see where you're coming from
Ivy G yes of course! she’s allowed to not meet her fans, especially if she’s not comfortable! i just hated the way she wrote it out in her instagram story :/
I’m so jealous of people who live in NYC or London as they consistently and constantly have access to live and ever changing shows but I’m also happy for them.
OK my opinion that of course if you do theatre you're a theatre kid, but... if you like have no interest in theatre and maybe listen to Hamilton or a musical theatre song u found on tiktok no ur not a theater kid. My opinion on people who only listen to mainstream musicals and don't theatre varies. If you do theatre and only listen mainstream musicals yes ur a theatre kid
JESS WENT FROM 0 TO 100 LMAOOO
Go hard or go home 🤷♀️
i am CRYING
Jessica Birch okay but I don’t think you only are a theatre kid when you listen to modern shows. I personally just like modern shows better because the music just has better quality and its just different than like 10 / 20 years ago. I also like modern stories better. I get what you mean. But liking musicals makes you a theatre kid. Doesn’t matter what year they’re from.
@@barbara2.087 I agree with this. I however believe that to be a theatre kid you have to listen to more then one musical. For example, I only considered myself a Hamilton fan when I only listened to Hamilton and then I listened to Heathers and only considered myself a theatre kid upon listening to Heathers.
@@jeaddhist yes I understand that!
Unpopular opinion: Erika from mean girls should have been casted as Anna on frozen broadway
YES
Trust me that’s not unpopular
That’s not unpopular, that’s a fact
Omg yes, the OG Anna captures the spirit well but both the sisters are just too old for the role
WAIT I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY THOUGHT OF THAT
I think the „problem“ with the Heathers UK recording is that it sounds very clean, the off-broadway one sounds much more like rock and just raw? Anyway that‘s how I feel
Charlie Theis I agree 😊
If it was Jamie muscato as jd in the of bway recording it would be perfect
Ilovehotchocolate unpopular opinion: I don‘t really like his american accent...
It's the same for me with Hadestown. The Original Concert sounded much more raw and jazzy. It's just a bit more fun, isn't it?
Milly Wesrik I‘ve never actually listened to the Original version so I can‘t judge on that
Unpopular opinion: the two girls who originated the roles of Elsa and Anna on broadway were too old. And not believable.
The Anna, yes. Caissie Levy, no
Fair. They were still great though. I saw it with them in May and it was fantastic
I don’t mind Elsa but I have to agree with you about Anna. She’s wayyyyyy too old and it shows
I think Aisha Jackson, the standby for Anna, portrays Anna better than Patti Murin. (she just fits the part better, and even though Patti Murin is super talented, I prefer Aisha Jackson as Anna.) I LOVE Caissie Levy as Elsa soooo much though.
Yes! I think that Cassie is fine, but with Patti it was just, I don’t know, a little awkward? I saw the tour cast on Sunday and OMG! Caroline B. and I. did AMAZING! It was a much better fit.
Edna Turnblad is played by a man because the first person to play her is the famous drag queen Divine, so its an homage to her! it would be cool if more drag performers played her maybe?
Divine is also the inspiration for Ursual the Sea Witch from The Little Mermaid
MKGF I did not that! That is so cool
I was just going to say that. It’s playing tribute to the origins of the show.
Yeah, also a lot of the jokes are centered around Edna being played by a man, it doesn't work as well being played by a woman, from what i've seen at least. Trunchbull on the other hand, doesn't matter as much in that regard, so a woman can play the role just as well or better than a man.
@@jackofhearts5542 As well, if you have a Drag Queen play her, the jokes feel more inclusive and meta, but when it's a costume a skinny guy who doesn't do drag puts on and takes off for 1 production, it just feels like standard Aren't Mannish Women Ugly fare
It's a nice way to honour her since Devine died around the time the movie came out in 1988
People defending Henry VIII like he wasn't a real person who cheated on his wives, killed them and treated like shit...
Clearly they did not watch Horrible Histories as a child.
Uncultured swine
The best show
Exactly. And then there's the extremely bad childhood of his children
Six doesn't crap on Henry ENOUGH 🎤
Jaded Wonderland exactly they only really say he divorced beheaded etc
It’s really just about the wives, not Henry-
i’m sorry i don’t mean to attack anyone’s opinion but imagine being like “i know he beheaded a couple of his wives but henry really was a stand up guy” 😭😂
I completely agree. The show sort of makes fun of him murdering his wives. But that’s really wrong to use your power to to do such horrible things here’s a short list of how he treated his wife’s
Cathrine of Aragon
Only married her because he wanted an heir to the throne and when after 24years. Had passed he divorced her
Out of anger that she didn’t have a boy
just proving that he never really loved her
Anne Boleyn
Now before I say this do want to say King Henry was cheating on constantly so she decided she would too but Henry finds out and essentially he goes mental so like I said after Henry has been cheating he decided to murder her
Jane Seymour
Didn’t really do anything wrong to her but rumor has it that he never loved her he only wanted a child and she died in child birth
Anne of cleves
Here’s the funny thing about Anne of Cleves Henry saw her portrait and wanted her to marry him so she came to London and they got married after they were married she refused to sleep with him because she wanted to make Shure if she had a child they would be part of royalty so he became impatient and divorced her and need a reason so he said she didn’t look like her Portrait and if that were true he wouldn’t have married her from the beginning.
Cathryn Howard
Was also beheaded for cheating while Henry cheated on all of his wives constantly
Cathrine parr
Once again he didn’t Really do anything wrong to Catherine of course he cheated on her like he did his other wives, but no biggie... he died and cathrine became queen
Sooo.... king Henry was essentially a pretty bad guy...
Sedona Crawford ..rude
Ginger Crawford Anne Boleyn didn't actually cheat. It was a rumour that he spread because he was mad that she had a daughter.
also, apparently the whole Anna of Cleves catfishing thing was a rumour spread by Henry after she cussed him out after he disguised himself and came on to her.
As someone who has lived through domestic violence and abusive relationships, I think that Waitress does address the issue. It's told from Jenna's perspective and you get so many glimpses of her realizing her situation and getting out of it. I relate so much to Jenna and seeing her happy and healthy after what she's gone through feels right. Although I do not condone the cheating subplot it was necessary for her to take control over her situation. And again from my experiences I think the musical handles it very well. - Evelyn.
I can see where the argument is coming from but I think if you take into account the fact that it's supposed to be a generally uplifting musical, it does do a good job addressing the issue. Things do get resolved a little neatly but the show isn't about everyone's experience with domestic violence, it's about Jenna's experience. And for her, she needed to start caring about herself again and to find the strength to stand up for herself. I don't think it's saying that everyone will be able to get out of an abusive relationship that easily. Also, there are so many small moments in the show (I've seen direction where Earl carries Jenna into the bedroom after a scene that strongly implies spousal rape) that I think are more meaningful than the possibly exploitative choice of showing physical violence or showing Jenna looking bruised and battered. There's enough violence against women depicted in the media. I don't think it was necessary to get the point across in Waitress.
Agreed
Dr Pomatter thought Jenna what it felt to be loved and cherished and cared for. It was a relationship she needed to realize that she could have that. Most people stay in abusive relationships because the emotional abuse tells them this is the olny thing you can have. Once Jenna realizes that she’s worth way more than the way her husband treats her and that she can have more and she can give more, then she becomes unstoppable and most importantly she embraces happiness and fights for her own and her child’s happiness!!!
see I find it the other way around. I sympathize with people who cheat on abusive partners because they aren't safe enough to leave, but it felt like the abuse was just a vehicle to get the romance going, which always skeeves me out
I honestly think Angelica is a really underdeveloped character. She had a lot of potential but she was mainly just used to create a love triangle for drama.
I agree, they're always going on about how smart she is but we never see that
She also shows that her sister is more important than the love triangle, so it kinda yanks the rug from under us if we're too invested in the triangle
Exactly!
In the original John Waters film Hairspray, Edna was played by the drag queen Divine, who was a close friends of Waters and appeared in most of his movies. The writers agreed that they wanted to honour the film by carrying on the tradition of Edna being a man in drag.
Mikey Jamieson aww that’s really sweet
Fully agree that Turnblad should always be played by a man in drag (though the casting of Travolta in the film was debatable). The Trunch one is interesting though. That one definitely is debatable but Bertie Carvel was brill in the role.
in that case they should be played by drag queens and not just men in dresses who want to do it for a laugh. every time someone did that show while i was at uni it made me extremely uncomfortable watching a guy put on a dress and everyone around them laughing because its a very short leap from that and myself being laughed at for being trans.
unpopular opinions!
musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
1. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
2. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
3. musicals released around the same time as hamilton deserved better
INDEED
I have nothing against Hamilton, it's purely genius and amazing but I wish other musicals of the same time as Hamilton gained as much attention too.
Such as?
Hard agree with this one. Think Hamilton is brill but damn I wish some people put just an ounce of energy they give Hamilton into other musicals. Just a little bit.
@@Imperialscorpio waitress and tuck everlasting off the top of my head, but i'm sure there are others. waitress didn't get as overlooked, but it did get completely ignored at the tony's due to hamilton's sweep. and tuck everlasting is a fantastic musical, but it got so overshadowed that it closed after a month.
Omg, sharpary & ryan were ROBBED, and we all know it
YES. “oh the theatre kids who have worked all their life to be actors are EVIL. and people who don’t even care get cast who have no experience?” Totally fine.
thank you for defending Hamilton. I think it’s one of those shows that you have to see to FULLY grasp everything that comes together in it. Most of the people have listened to the music and judge it from that (which it is totally okay) but I think what makes Hamilton is not just the music but the staging, choreography and acting. Sadly most people are unable to see it.
I totally agree. I only listened to the music for a long time, and kinda liked it, but it wasn't my favourite. After watching the bootleg (pls don't hate on me, I live in Australia) I gained an appreciation for it that I didn't have before, the movement and flow of the show works really well, and I think it is a masterpiece, even if it isn't my favourite show. I think Hamilton deserved the tony that year 100%.
Although I did find it very very fast pace, and didn't understand what was happening the first time watching it. I think its a show where you have to listen to the music before you go and see it to have some kind of idea as to what is going on. But also, at the same time, it's good because the more you listen to it/watch it, the more things you pick out and notice. You know what I mean?
OH MY GOD. EACH AND EVERY DETAIL WAS CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT. I COULD SPEND MANY HOURS EXPLAINING SONGS AND LYRICS AND LITTLE THINGS THEY DO. IT IS JUST GENIUS. IT'S SOO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE SEE IT.
I m kinda a really new musical theatre fan (like maybe have been for a year or so) and Hamilton was one of the first musicals I ve listened to and it immediately became my favourite, I can’t even explain how much it changed my life but anyway as a person who has listened to the entire thing to many times to count and knows like every single word and small detail in the music I have to say that it’s just so genius. I got the chance to see it in new york a week ago (I live in Canada) and it was so beautiful I literally cried during my shot because I loved it so much. I think that if people don’t think it deserved the award they should do more research about all of the small details.
PS: just gonna fangirl for a second but I met the cast and they were so amazing plus like most of the main cast took pictures and signed playbills and were just so nice. AAAAAAA
Awesome WoW YEAH I M SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT!
I already love Hamilton with all my heart, I already cried with Hamilton, and I haven't watched it yet, I don't think I'll be ever able to see Hamlilton on stage... BUT MAN IF I WILL SEE IT IN THE MOVIE
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Also with the teen thing, you also have to consider that teens aren’t actually allowed to portray certain things, so if you had actual teens in shows you’d have to compromise with the shows not being an accurate portrayal of teen behaviour. I’d rather a thoughtful, truthful portrayal of being a teen with 30 year olds over “kidz bop” versions played by fifteen and sixteen year olds.
For example; spring awakening.
Like Heathers, ud be so uncomfortable seeing a 16 year old take her shirt off and simulate sex
@@queenoffabulous2156 but they were 17
Also it can wreck a teens voice and body to do 8 shows a week
I agree for the most part because a lot of the time they cast adults to play teens and make them do “adult things” for no reason at all and just sexualize teenagers. In heathers a lot of the sex scenes are not necessary, they could’ve just been referenced by other characters. However, in Spring Awakening it is necessary. Idk if I got my point across right
I have to disagree with the idea of men not playing drag roles. I saw a production of Matilda at my camp, and Trunchbull is now on my dream roles list. She is a queen! I feel like there are so many female characters I love and relate to, but I'll never be able to play, so I'm happy we have two like Trunch and Edna. I also wish there were more of the opposite, male roles to be played by women,.
@@alluneedislessthan3 I agree! Anyone can play anyone they want! With certain things like race and sexuality, it's not okay, because there aren't as many roles for actors of different identities, but there are tons of roles for both men and women, so it really doesn't matter. Anyone can play any gender they want, and have fun with it, as long as they aren't using it to put down that gender
Jamie Hood big agree.
I agree with you too! One of my favorite roles is the son in TTO, which is played by a woman. I didn't like the woman reporter From Chicago, because, as a trans woman, it felt almost... Mocking? I guess? People should play people of other genders as long as they don't punch down in their comedy while doing so. I think the belief that people shouldn't be playing roles of other genders is just kinda... Regressive. I agree with @Anna S that it sounds almost TERFy
I think a probem is that there are so few roles for women anyway, especially for older women. There are more female roles in modern musicals (like Legally Blonde or Mean Girls) but it's a problem still. I do perform in a college musical group and, like most groups, we have a lot more women who want to be in it than men, but finding musicals that have more female roles than male ones is really, really hard. Most of the times it's like 6 men and 1 or 2 women. And so seeing these roles that could be played by women but aren't is annoying. And it's also no accident that it's always the same trope of "this is an older women that doesn't act in a feminine way and it's funny because it's actually a man, get it?" that's getting super old. I wouldn't want to change the roles we already know, liike Hairspray or Matilda, because that's what they are known for now, but I do hope we won't get more of this in the future. Write roles that are specifically written as drag queens (like la cage aux folles for example) or as trans characters, that's cool. But I wish they wouldn't just use the gender swapping for comedic effect.
@@TheSongwritingCat I can understand that. I honestly think the way Trunch is played has effects on this. I've seen productions of Matilda where Trunch is just portrayed as this scary, tall, deep voiced woman, which definitely ties in with what you're talking about, but I've also seen productions where she's super sassy, with a shrill voice, really more than just the stereotype of a manly woman, which to me, turns her into a super fun role. I can understand how in certain cases, it would be offensive, but I've seen a few productions where it's just fun, and no one's focusing on the fact that it's a guy playing her, just how funny she is as a character. If you lean in super hard into making her this scary, manly character, then I think it's a stereotype, but if you just make her a super fun drag role, then I don't think it's a problem. Some of her songs, like "The Hammer," can be super fun if you play her this way!
I think that if Waitress was in a different year, it would have won best musical (for example, the year the Bands Visit won, I think Waitress would’ve won) no shade to bands visit either
Heather McNamera in the movie was pretty free of guilt, as we never see her actually do anything overtly mean. In the musical, they kind of add a more mean tone to her, so not the cinnamon roll people faun over.
Not only that, but the scenarios completely switched in the Ram-Kurt sexual assault scene. In the movie, Veronica abandons McNamara, while McNamara abandons Veronica in the musical. They’re practically different characters, imo.
@@meli2066 they're tackling the same message with the same characters but with vastly different angles on how it's presented. In the film, Veronica goes into a silent shock upon realizing that Ram is actually dead, and is willing to kill Kurt knowing this. In the show, she kills Ram by accident and then JD takes out Kurt and she's immediately remorseful
Don't forget that in the movie she is the one to slip Martha the note. She's a bully but that's no reason not to stan.
Hmm. I usually kinda see it the opposite way. While McNamara in the musical is doing mean things, she got a redumption and was forgiven. And even tho she left Veronica in the musical, after all she called her not to do anything other then save herself while in the movie she fully aware drags her into date rape. But it's kinda sad how she sees herself being raped as normal "The last guy I slept with killed himself the next day"
I'm not sure what that person's criteria are in deciding whether someone is a great ruler for England, but it should be noted that in addition to having two of his wived executed, and very nearly a third, the total number of executions he authorised during his reign is estimated to be in the region of 57,000-72,000. For a point of reference, the entire population of London when he came into power was c.60,000. Among these executions were several of his own advisers, tax collectors, and friends who he used as scapegoats for his own mistakes. So yeah, great ruler and all-round delightful human being.
I disagree with the person who said Edna Turnblad shouldn't be played by a man because in the original movie, she was played by Divine who was a drag queen. I think the fact that shes still being played by a man is an homage to Divine and a way to honor her influence on drag culture
uhhhhhh I think when a man actually murders two of his wives he's lost the right to be praised
MarinaO and nearly parr
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That would've been one step too Parr.
Idk anymore idk divorced beheaded died divorced beheaded beheaded doesn’t sound as good
ellie taylor well it didn't have to be beheaded
It could’ve been"burned" or "cut in half"
Theatre geeks who get super angry about other people's opinions need to take 'five more minutes' to stop acting like SIX year olds and learn to BE MORE CHILL
Homosixual your user and comment is everything.
PREACH 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
to the person who said taylor swift was the best part of cats, DID YOU NOT SEE *SKIMBLESHANKS THE RAILWAY CAT* ???????
Train dad was the best part!
Or Memory!
Oh my God! !! Skimbleshanks was my fave!!!!!
Or the song "grizaballa the glamor cat"
Unpopular opinion: The mean girls music is actually really good and shouldn’t be getting any hate. Some songs aren’t as good as others, but overall, it’s one of the better movie to musicals score that I’ve listened too.
Joshua Wiggins I agree, was intrigued by the lyric in Someone Gets Hurt “yes they do that”. But I understand how hard lyric writing is. Also cautionary tale is a BOP
It's fun to listen to, but I wouldn't call it a good musical. I feel like they relied too much on the fandom that the movie had (has?) and how newer shows like DEH, Hamilton, Heathers etc. were making good money out of teenagers and young adults.
The writing of the musical is not the best, and the songs feel like rock and pop songs adapted to a story more than created for the story imo.
and yeah, "A Cautionary Tale" is a bop.
Yeah, most of the characters were pretty much the same and better (expect Janis).
Unlike other huge musical addaptation, which name I won't mention, that took super complex and interesting 3 dimentional characters and squish and oversimplified them. You probably now what I am taking about.
It gets hate..?
I love how it gives Gretchen more depth. (dream role)
1. I prefer the West End over Broadway, I think West End is somewhat easier to get into so more people have a chance to become a star (though it’s still really tricky)
2. People need to stop hating on The Music Man, it’s not the musical’s fault that Broadway managers didn’t bother finding a new theatre for poor old Beetlejuice
3. They need to come up with new ideas for musicals, I can’t stand movies being turn into musicals (besides Heathers + Mean Girls) I want some original musicals!
4. Everybody’s Talking About Jamie is brilliant and underrated, but Jamie became a dick to his mum and his friends in act 2
5. I didn’t love Waitress the musical...sorry
Also you should start an Instagram account for The Squip Squad!!
Oh, also
6. Carrie the Musical deserves BETTER!
b- b- but waitress 🥺 but other than that i 100% agree (although i don’t know how i feel about movies into musicals, it depends. waitress, mean girls, beetlejuice? sure! lion king, King Kong? not so sure.)
"They shouldn't make movies into musicals besides these 2 I liked." Basically what you're saying. Guess what? Other people have movie to stage adaptations they like. You can't just say the 2 you like are the exceptions when there isn't anything that make them any different from other adaptations besides that you think they are better. Either be against unoriginal plots, or accept that adaptations like this makes a lot of great shows as well as some not as good ones just like original shows do.
Garrett Wade yeah that’s fair lol, I didn’t really think about that one. I guess there are exceptions other than the ones I listed, but even so. Good point 💖
I agree with all especially waitress, overrated in my opinion. I also think come from away deserves better :)
There is one role I think HAS to be conventionally attractive and that is Elle Woods. Because "being blonde and being hot" is literally the characterization she starts from and grows from. People misjudge her because she's beautiful and blonde and they think she couldn't possibly be smart because of that. A solid half of the character interactions with Elle would make no sense if she weren't played by someone generally considered attractive.
Agreed.
Mmhhmm
This is my stance. If the roles hinges on a certain look, then they need to look that way. Otherwise, the look doesn't matter.
yesss. also regina george, the whole point of her character is that she puts people in trances and she claims that aaron only liked her because of her looks. but elle overall.
"35 year old playing teenager's"
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Are you trying to call out Kate Rockwell 😂
It's your choice, guys, either 25-35-year-olds who are reasonably talented and have lots of experience in the field, or actual teenagers who probably suck.
@@travishimebaugh8381 I'm not saying no to it 😂 I prefer it. Think you put your comment down wrong mate
My first thought was Stockard Channing
let's talk about harry potter mine was the entire cast of Grease
Travis Himebaugh they need to play teenagers well tho, and also there’s a lot of talented teenagers, like Sophia Anne Caruso or Presley Ryan
Here are mine:
1. West side story is really long and boring. They could easily add more to fill the hour long time in the middle where everything drags on.
2. I find Spring Awakening very gross, disturbing, and unnerving. I didnt think it was a great tale of teen sexuality or telling the tale of teens finding out about sex and what to do with themselves. It could have been done differently. The actors were great but I did not like the story.
2. Rolf and Christine belong together. Phantom was a psycho. He killed people and stalked, kidnapped, and manipulated Christine. I honestly do not get how people feel bad for him.
3. SHARPAY AND RYAN TOTALLY DESERVED THE ROLES OVER TROY AND GABRIELLA! They didnt even say they were going to "audition" until the time was up. They didnt audition in the first place and Ms. Darbus gave them callbacks. They also didnt even make it to that either. Late yet again! Sharpay and Ryan were significantly better anyways. And how on earth are the theatre kids portrayed as bad in this movie?? Who do they think it was made for?
God I will agree with number three until I literally die
No, honey. His name is Raoul and he is a alcoholic and a terrible husband. Listen to love never dies.
Melody Altamirano LND is not considered cannon. It’s literally a fan fiction written by Andrew Lloyd Webber
i only agree with number 3
@@victoriaandrade9657 Kinda how anne rice became her own official fanfic writer once her life got back on track
I didn't get the Hamilton hype until I actually saw it - I never really listened to the whole soundtrack and only listened to the more emotive songs, so finally seeing it as a whole and hearing the intricacies changed it for me! Relistening I understood the double/sometimes triple meanings of the lyrics, and picked up on the motifs. It genuinely is the most well written musical out there.
Unpopular opinion: I find the music Im Hamilton a masterpiece but I felt the set design is too simple.
I think thats what makes it great. They are able to tell this amazing story so artistically and convey to the audience difference places and times without the assistance of massive sets. Don't get me wrong. I love me an elaborate set, but I think this show in particular worked so much better with minimal set
It's meant to be
Here are my unpopular opinions
1. I don’t like Dear Evan Hansen, the music is ok at best, the story is generic, and I hate the fact that Evan gets off scot free just because “he has social anxiety and he’s a soft boi uwu” it makes the whole story seem toxic. He lied to so many people and there’s no consequences for that?
2. I didn’t mind Love Never Dies, the story was really fanfiction like but it has great music. It’s a guilty pleasure of mine.
3. German musicals are so much better than a lot of what’s on Broadway right now, not saying Broadway sucks because I love a lot of Broadway shows but the German musicals have a lot of substance in their stories and music.
4. Great 👏 Comet 👏 deserved 👏 better
To be fair, everyone in DEH sucks. The Murphys because they pushed Evan to lie (they were the ones insisting that the letter was Connor's despite Evan denying it MULTIPLE TIMES. They're the ones (forcefully) invinting him over and putting him in a very uncomfortable position with their fighting over their DEAD son essentially trashing him in front of someone they thought was his best and only friend. They didn't respect Evan's boundaries and wishes) and because they did "replace" Connor with him and because they didn't treat/parent Connor well (it's implied and said they did their best despite not knowing what to do but they ended up creating a very bad environment for noth of their children), Connor because of how he traumatized Zoé and because he refused his parents' help (implied that he did feel bad about both and didn't WANT to and that he had a bad combo of mental illnesses or something), Jared because he encouraged Evan to get along with everything then helped him before trying to cash in the movement it created and for being terrible towards him for all of their lives, Alana for posting the letter without Evan's consent and knowing it was personal and then ACCUSING the Murphys of being terrible people despite not knowing anything about the situation which started their doxxing, Evan for keeping up with the lie for so long (he was a victim of the circumstances and there was no good option but he allowed it to go farther than it should have and he let himself projecting onto it and Connor, a very REAL person who just DIED then he tried to use it selfishly and push his close ones away/is an asshole towards them [the show does punish him right after it and acknowledges that this was not okay and he went too far]), Heidi for not being capable of noticing her son's mental issues and lies (she acknowledged it and felt terrible but she couldn't do more, her situation was doomed). Zoe is the most blameless because she doesn't do much and is affected by every issues the othercharacters have.
DEH is a show where you watch the characters make bad decisions in situations where there is no other option. But it also forgets/doesn't have time to acknowledge everyone's fuck ups which is a shame. Instead you can only see the most obvious problems/bad decisions if you're not over analyzing the show. To me, it's its biggest flaw.
Also Evan doesn't get scot free: he kinda loses everything he finally had (friends, gf, "new family", his (toxic) way to cope), he can't go away from what his lies created either.
What did you want the Murphys to do? Get him also doxxed? If they revealed anything, the backlash Evan would get would be terrible and dangerous. Not to mention that it would not help their situation and maybe make it worse. They also grew to care about him so it would be even shittier. Not to mention it would also ruin Heidi's live and she didn't do anything wrong towards them. They did what any decent person would do.
Honestly there was no other way the show could end. There are no "satisfying ending" because that's simply impossible and unrealistic.
But yeah the fans do have a tendency to forget how complex the situation and the characters were and reduce it into what I call "tumblr stereotypes". They spread a lot of misconceptions which become the base of a lot of critics of the show. Not that you're not entitled to your own opinions or anything!
Phoenix J. Can you drop some German musical links I can check out?
@@ondiiina i agree, DEH is my favorite show but i hate how everyond forgets and even how the show seems to dowmplay everything EVERYONE did, not just Evan (the Murphys were not grieving Connor in a healthy way and they unknowingly pressured Evan knto the lie in the first place, Jared pretty much told Evan to lie and got mad at him after he only started talking to him for the emails despite him being an awful friend who never made Evan feel like they were even friends in the first place, made harsher in the novel cause it's mentioned they were actually kind of close once, Alana posted what she was made to belive was a suicide note, no need to say anythimg there ..... Zoe is the only character who seems to not have done something really messed up if you ignore how rude she is at first but that is because she was abused by Connor and she does not know what to feel after he kills himsel).
Jo Henderson I got you, here’s a few good ones.
Elisabeth, which is basically the German hybrid of Hamilton and Anastasia. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/IGz4qseaxDs/видео.html
Rebecca, my favorite musical of all time based off the novel by Daphne du Maurier. The whole musical isn’t uploaded yet because the uploader is still translating the English subtitles but you can still watch the majority of Act 1 or find the book and read it while you wait for the rest to be uploaded: ruclips.net/p/PLy1MbM9MuArcJJHzoI9B55m51rRL9QOx1
Here’s another production of Rebecca that has the whole thing but I personally like the one above better. Turn on CC for English subtitles when you get to Part 5: ruclips.net/p/PLP42Xq5nyGZAeDL4JsRfIW5f5ozR8aZdp
Mozart, not a favorite of mine but it’s still really cool. If you like Hamilton you’ll love this one. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/NHrC0IUZ1Vo/видео.html
Tanz der Vampire, another really popular German musical. It played on Broadway but the Broadway version sucked, this one’s a lot better. If you like Phantom of the Opera you might like this. Turn on CC for English subtitles: ruclips.net/video/FvA7SeErpGg/видео.html
Ondina Wow that’s actually a really good point :)
Unpopular opinion: Liking mostly mainstream musicals makes you a theater kid
Yes, they’re mainstream for a reason (most of the time)
THANK YOU!!!!!
Angelica Schuyler Church i respect you so much
I agree
OMFG YEEEEEEEEEES
also, the gatekeeping one about “you don’t like musicals, you like pop” made me mad bc it’s not even an opinion, it’s just someone who decided they have the right to decide who is and isn’t a fan of musical theatre
Yes, baby theatre kids need to start somewhere
YES JUSTICE FOR SHARPAY AND RYAN!!! also I saw Six for the first time yesterday, what a show!!
I like Edna and Trunch being played by men cuz drag representation, and men being feminine but you also made a valid point about woman being able to play masculine roles
Your cat at the start 😅😅😅. We love it when you do unpopular opinions!!! #sincerelytea 🤣🤣🤣
I know so many people think Hamilton is overrated, and ngl, before I saw it, I was starting to lean into that camp like "it just can't possibly be THAT good" I had listened to it & enjoyed it, but not really LOVED it as a whole- there are lots of pieces I skip when I'm listening to it. But then I did see it, and it's the only musical I've ever cried in (I'm not a crier) and honestly, I went in a bit skeptical because of all the hype & thinking it wouldn't live up to everything I'd heard about it and then it just punched me in the face with emotions and actually was so much better than I was expecting. There was just something magical about it to me, and then out came the waterworks. They weren't even pretty tears, they were ugly tears, literally everyone on my row was just bawling.
AMY: "Theatre is gatekeepery"
STARKID FANS: "Let me introduce myself"
Super unpopular, but I agree with the girl that said that Hamilton is overrated. It's very good, but there are so many people that say it's the best show ever, and I just don't agree. The real issue I have, though, is that sooooo many shows were overshadowed because of it, and never got any love. It's just sad. And when I tell people I'm into theater, and they tell me "Oh, I know Hamilton!" it just bothers me.
Jamie Hood I agree with you. I think Hamilton is good, but because of all the hype surrounding the show my expectations were so high so when I saw it, it was not as good as I was expecting.
I agree. Hamilton is great and I do think it deserved the Tony but saying that it's the best musical ever created and that anything else is complete trash is just a bit far fetched
I think Hamilton is overrated to; would have much preferred it is a large majority of the show wasn’t rapped (especially key historical events) and had a more “Broadway” sound to it :) xxx
Agree. But as a teacher, I have to say Hamilton seriously got kids reading and researching American history on their own so I'm a huge fan of the effect Hamilton has had in our schools in this area. It made American History more exciting.
@@thatonechick4551 Definitely agree with that! It's great that people are more educated because of it. I just wish that it didn't dominate so much that nothing else got attention that year
Unpopular opinions:
1- Anastasia deserved so much better. As someone who watched the musical, it was a work of art. Christy Altomare and Lily Coogan were queens, the stage was beautiful and the costumes were work of art. It doesn't get the recognition it deserves
2- Taylor Swift wasn't the only good thing in Cats. Her character was made a villain and how can they get rid of Demeter??
Right???? Why did they get rid of half the cats, or like make them rly small roles
Aha I’m one of those annoying half in half out people in musical theatre community 😂 I like listening to musicals but I don’t understand any of the dramas and I never get to see any shows
*AMY! You should react to old musicals you did when you were younger!*
Totally agree about Sharpay and Ryan! I have been on their side from the first time I watched the movie!
Also, I like that i can listen to (and this time talk about) musicals with people who like them too on this channel, seeing i’ve got no friends who do, so thanks for these videos Amy! I enjoyed hearing your opinions
Unpopular Opinion: I don’t think Waitress should’ve closed on broadway this year. It’s too underrated and wonderful.
I don't believe its underrated, however its such a beautiful show
you can love pop musicals and contemporary musicals, and still be a theater fan. thats why its called broadway and not closed-way
Underrated comment
My biggest unpopular opinion is that Urinetown is actually one of the funniest and, believe it or not, deepest shows! I love it to bits and it’s def one of my faves. It tackles so many important topics and a lot of people refuse to see it just because of the title. The whole point of the show is that the characters are aware of the rather weird subject matter 😆
I do think that Galinda >>>> Elphaba simply for the reason that, yes elphaba has had it harder growing up, but if you think about galinda’s life, in its own way was hard. She tried to be Elphaba’s friend and then had to pretend to the whole kingdom that she hated her. She also had to come to the realization that fiero didn’t love her.
Also, in regards to waitress not winning the tony. I think that waitress and the other shows running that year should have won something but I also think that Hamilton was pretty stunning. I still prefer waitress as a show partially because it was kind of the underdog that year.
Finally, in regards to “modern musicals aren’t musicals” I think that’s actually kind of rude because many people work on a show and even if it’s a flop or if someone doesn’t like it, I think if you put yourself in their shoes and how it would feel to be hated on for something you worked hard on.
Well galinda was a Spoiled popular Kid and elphaba went though racism and false prejugment her whole life. so i Think, galinda is not that special
Viviana Ragozzino yes. I guess that I think they both have some hardships. But I agree with you
Shooting someone for talking in the theatre sounds like something that the Capitol from "The Hunger Games" would do.
Hadestown is pop? Lmfaoo
I don't think they mean "pop" as a music genre, but as "pop culture". Like, trendy kinda stuff.
I'm interested to know what the opinions you couldnt share were 😂😂
opinion: falsettos deserves so much more love
Six should always be sung in brittish accents
Sharpay and Ryan were *ROBBED*
they clearly had the best audition, they ACTUALLY SHOWED UP ON TIME, they had both been in shows before and the director knew all about them, like yeah Gabriella and Troy sound kinda good I guess but they didn't even show up to the damn audition and they still managed to get a callback and the leads
I think I prefer Glinda to Elphaba for the same reason I prefer Aaron Burr to Alexander Hamilton. It’s like how people say it’s more moving to watch an actor fight back tears than it is to watch them cry. It’s cathartic to watch someone stand up boldly for something they believe in but it’s relatable and often gut-wrenching to watch someone constantly hold back, doubt their own ability/talent, battle with their own mind, and regret things they’ve done in the past.
i’m gonna respond as i watch the video haha
1. galinda is absolutely iconic but alphaba is just better
2. i haven’t seen it :)
3. i agree but teens can only do so much, also the majority of theatre people are adults who need jobs and if they look and sound young i don’t really care
4. i haven’t heard that much of it but i kinda agree
5. it annoys me but like i called a goal in soccer a touchdown once
6. i still can’t get over the west ends “DONT TALK ABOUT MY MOM”
7. agree
8. hamilton is amazing, no matter how old and popular it gets it is incredible.
9. i disagree because modern musicals are MUSICALS. my friends who love pop don’t like my contemporary theatre music.
10. i kinda agree?? the men are really funny but i don’t think edna deserves it. she’s feminine and there’s nothing comical about her body. the trunchbull deserves it, it makes the character more funny, she doesn’t deserve depth while edna does.
11. lol they shouldn’t be shot but theatre is such a special experience that people don’t understand, there are so many people there, live, and you gotta respect it.
12. OMG YES! and i’ve done this. i used to quiz my friends on theyre hamilton knowledge and then would call them fake fans. i also used to get really mad at tiktok people for using heathers and legally blonde sounds. now i realize it’s not that deep.
13. disagree cause makeup exists lol
14. i think she does deserve better but she’s wired to be the snobby rich popular girl. yeah she’s soft but she’s not nice lol.
15. disagree 🤪
16. i disagree!! theatre is so hard!! and you never stop! you always gotta bring your all!
17. jason derulo was great too!
18. i agree, it’s traumatic. they make it a joke a few times 😔
19. dude he’s getting exposed that’s the whole point of the musicallll
20. agree it’s still annoying tho
21. agree obvi
22. AGREE THATS THEYRE THING THATS THE ONLY THING THEY WANTED
About the Edna opinion, she's always cast as a man in drag because it is a tribute to Divine, the first ever person who played her on the original John Waters movie and who happened to be a drag queen. It has nothing really to do with the character acting masculine or femenine (men and women can act however they want).
one of my favourite parts of waitress is right after you will still be mine when Becky and Cal glare at each other and you realise how trivial everything you've seen in the diner so far is and how much Jenna's dealing with every day. idk I like how domestic violence isn't really the point of the plot but it seeps into every other part of her life
I prefer the Broadway recording over the West End recording. I think it's just because Barrett's voice is so powerful compared to Carrie's, and the way she and Ryan sound together is just beautiful!
I just wanted to add my 2 cents when it comes to the question about The Trunch and Edna Turnblad. I feel like in musicals, women are given amazing roles and especially in new musicals. I feel like "yes, there can always be more female representation, but I don't think that that is a major problem." There are many men who like to dress up as women or play with gender. These men usually become Drag Queens, but they can't really do musical theater that much because there are just not enough roles that they can fill. They are not cast in roles which were written for females because the directors just don't think they look good enough or, because they are men, they cannot sing in the necessary range for these roles. Roles which are written for men but are conveying a traditional female character are needed. I feel like having some of these roles is something which is needed and should not be stopped. When it comes to the problem of men portraying women to make them seem ugly/undesirable I 100% agree, but I feel like that is a different conversation.
Totally agree with the Sharpay and Ryan opinion BUT who would want to see 2 siblings in lead romantic roles?
Hard disagree with that Hamilton one because it’s not just popular because it’s “a new sound” but also because it’s been a game changer for POC in theatre and that’s really important
Hamilton is a masterpiece. Lin spent 7 years writing it like can’t compare it to waitress
Waitress is based off a movie that did deal with the domestic violence issue. The show speeds through it.
I feel like with Six, the focus of the musical is their lives, so it makes sense for them to be negative towards him without the story showing us anything else, I actually loved that he’s not even in it
honestly I don't get why everyone's saying that Heather M is the best character or so sweet either, like she's a good character but not a very good person. Martha on the other hand is just so precious and kind of underrated
I think my biggest unpopular opinion is that *Six isn't the best musical idea/show and won't do well on Broadway.* It is basically a glorified concert. All the songs are a bop, but it doesn't have a cohesive storyline compared to other musicals like Hamilton, Wicked or literally anything else.
hadestown is a modern musical and that’s jazz & i love jazz which is why chicago & hadestown are my favourite shows and also for me i love beetlejuice but i really don’t hear it as pop but that could be bias. some modern musicals suck tho😭😭
Eugene is such a cutie !!
I think the reason I don’t like the West End cast recordings that much is because it sounds old, like they don’t sound like teenagers. I like Meant to be yours better though
Meant to be yours does always slap tho
I just worship the cast with Ryan, Barrett, and Jessica. I’ve seen some other good casts, but they match the characters perfectly... and so does the rest of that cast. It will always be my favorite
That 1 Weird Theater Kid I worship Dan and Charissa but I agree
That 1 Weird Theater Kid honestly ryan just absolutely kills the role
@Mile Fazzini, well I worship them too :D
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The sharks and especially Maria shouldn’t be played by white actors because it undermines the class and racial tensions and issues of the time
Unpopular opinon: Shrek the musical deserves more attention than it already does.
TOTALLY agree with everyone who mentioned how elitist/privileged/gatekeeper fans can get. at the end of the day it's about enjoying yourself and sharing it with like minded people.
the stage door stuff has gotten ridiculous. was I bummed when certain actors didn't come to the door? yeah, but it's not something they are required to do. I feel like social media has escalated the problem. people feel like they *know* an actor when they really don't. NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING.
my possible "unpopular" opinions are Dear Evan Hansen is slightly overrated; though that just might be me feeling uncomfortable with the plot. I've dealt with social anxiety all my life so I can't really feel sympathy for someone that lied about being a suicidal person's friend to feel special, people are too harsh on musicals based on previous ips; especially those aimed at kids/teens, and that overzealous fans can ruin a musical for me.
OKAY BUT "HE'S MY BOY" MAKES ME CRY EVERY TIME AND I'M A 21 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO DEFINITELY CANT RELATE BUT OMG THE FEELINGS
I love Waitress but there's something about Hamilton that makes it feel so huge.
I definitely prefer modern musicals to classical ones, they just resonate a lot more for me and I find they're a lot easier to get into.
I agree that it's an interesting point to say that they shouldn't be played by men. I guess it depends on what the individual productions are going for, it'd be interesting to look into why those casting/directing choices were made originally.
Sort of want to agree with the theatre etiquette one?
Y'all need to keep Heather McNamara out of it! That being said, I think I just think her actresses are adorable.
Sharpay and Ryan 100% deserved the lead. There was a good video on the FilmTheorist channel talking about how Troy is the true villain of HSM.
For the person who said "beauty matters more than talent" I think they meant that casting directors will cast a person that's pretty and not as good at singing before they cast an ugly person with a great voice
That was exactly what I meant. Or if it came down to two people for the same role and they both had excellent talent that qualified them for the role, but one was conventionally more attractive than the other, they would most likely go for the one who is more conventionally attractive because visual marketing and “superficiality”
Musical theatre has such a history. I would really like you to do content including older classic shows.
Unpopular opinion: Six seems more like a concert than a musical
(I respect all the actors who are in the show and work for the show, they are amazing)
Alyssa Kempf it is the style of a concert, so idk what to say
I used to hate when people said play instead of musicals and then i just started to say it lol and now i can’t complain about it
The comparison of a Tesco worker giving great service and a customer waiting at the door to thank them... This is amazing!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Every little helps mate!
Seriously this made me lol so freaking hard!
No, comfortable to the ear makes sense. I totally hate the Disney into the woods but I love the recorded musical on Amazon. Also, I totally agree with the final one. Kelsi's original song was slow and bring and they fixed it! Troy and G had never been in a show before, so they would probably be better in smaller roles!
This is excellent! And I have been waiting for Dame Judy to pop up in one of your videos! 🥰
I find the Heathers UK recording so much more calming to the ear. And some of the added songs are just amazing.
9:46 YESSSS THAT WAS ME LIKING HAMILTON BEFORE IT CAME TO THE WEST END WHEN IT OPENED ON BROADWAY SPENT AGES RECOMMENDING IT TO BE IGNORED THEN SUDDENLY IT'S IN THE UK AND THEIR FAVOURITE SHOW AND THEY'RE QUOTING IT IN CLASS LIKE WTH
"I think we should be grateful when people do it and understanding when people don't."
*Louder for the ones in the back*
Also, Robbie Fairchild was the best thing in Cats the movie.
My baby chess getting a mention I swear that genius of a show gets slept on by everyone it’s way too underrated v much appreciated
I've seen both Trunchbull and Edna played by women and they were both fantastic! If a woman can do it better then the men available, cast her!
I super agree with Amy about modern musicals being legitimate musicals. To otherwise argue that someone has to like old musicals in order to be considered a true musical fan sounds like a form of gatekeeping the community. What's the point of excluding people who also appreciate musical theatre? Even if they have different tastes, every musical fan appreciates the magic of musicals that occurs when so many expressions of creativity come together. There is so much more to geek out about beyond the score.
Also, the insinuation that pop music is an inherently bad genre sounds like a second form of gatekeeping. Besides, pop music is a much broader genre than it used to be. Maybe that particular person is thinking of contemporary pop?Which, sure, can be very different from "old musicals" (also a very broad category).
I'm late to the party, but I'm loving this channel!
I don’t like Micheal that much and don’t ship him with Jeremy at all. My favorite BMC characters are Brooks and the Squip...
agree with this, apart from the ‘favorite is the squip’
you can have your own opinions, but i personally can’t like a character that’s abusive.
(don’t get me wrong, it’s an amazing role and great character plot wise, but i can’t like him)
I disagree with not liking Michael. Michael's my favourite character. However, I do agree with not shipping Jeremy with Michael. I believe Michael deserves better then Jeremy. (Source-MITB)
OK, that's absolutely adorable. Now that you mention it, I would very much like a calm chat and a fluffy pillow.
Oh my... *HOW* could you be dissing The Music Man... It's going to have Hugh Jackman & Sutton Foster & it will be AMAZING😱😱😱
I hate when people say you don’t like musical theatre just Becuase you like Morden musicals. In my experience at 15 most of the musicals I listen to is considered Morden/contemporary as they are trying to appeal to my age range more then what a classic considered musical would do I think people just need to understand Morden musicals are aimed towards a younger generation and that nothing to hate upon we still respect the classics but prefer Morden styles
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE!! "Who's House is this" From Mean Girls is a bop. "Do This Thing" this a bop (also because Ben Tyler Cook) and "more is better" is not that bad. "Stupid with Love" Isn't my favorite but I'll still listen to it. If it's on a playlist, I skip it. If I'm listening to it while listening to the sound track, I don't skip it.
With the Heathers cast recordings, I prefer the Off-Broadway one, except for JD. I think that he sounds too redeemable in a way in the Off-Broadway one, however, in the West End one, JD is aggressive and I'm a firm believer that JD needs to sound scary. Like the audience needs to feel uneasy around him... If that makes sense...
I totally agree that Edna Turnblad should not be played by a man. Edna being played by a man deprives her of her femininity and her respect. I understand that the role was originated by Divine but it would be neglectful to ignore the fact that drag, as much as it is an amazing art form, has been used to dehumanize women, especially this character. Edna is such a complex and enduring character that so many could relate to if she was just played for laughs. Instead of helping the audience to understand the toll society has taken on this woman, this direction encourages them to laugh at her, "haha that sad fat woman looks like a man." Edna's story addresses issues of body image far more often and far more poignantly than Tracy's. Tracy has very little to no self esteem issues. She is confident so far enough to be considered possibly oblivious. While this is admirable, it's fairly unrealistic.Edna is a real person with so many valuable things about her and unfortunately making her a drag character most often results in her dehumanization and being forced into comedic objectivity.
My Opinions:
1. I hate revenge party.
2. Barrett Wilbert Weed is incredible but she needs to take a break, take a chill pill and not be rude to her fans, and stop playing teenagers. She’s 30.
3. Hamilton is not overrated. It’s rated exactly where it should be.
4. Les Mis > Phantom
5. Green Finch and Linnet Bird is THE overused “underground/unpopular” audition song.
6. Liking only modern musicals doesn’t make you a fake fan.
7. Little kids shouldn’t be seeing waitress.
8. Theatre is toxic and everyone’s a gatekeeper.
@abigail paige Wait, Barrett was rude to fans??? I haven't heard that before, what exactly did she do?
@Ivy G basically, in her instagram story about how she doesn’t like stagedooring (which is completely fine that she feels uncomfortable doing it, by the way) she said “do not come up to me. i don’t want to meet you. i don’t want to talk to you”, etc. which comes off rude especially because most of her fans are less than 16 years old. imagine telling a child that their idol doesn’t have any interest in meeting them. that leaves me with an iffy taste in my mouth.
@@abbiezinn3352 I respect your opinion, but I do think Barrett had every right to not meet fans if she isn't comfortable. Though, she probably shouldn't have word it that way so I see where you're coming from
Ivy G yes of course! she’s allowed to not meet her fans, especially if she’s not comfortable! i just hated the way she wrote it out in her instagram story :/
I think everyone needs a fluffy pillow considering how 2020 is going
I’m so jealous of people who live in NYC or London as they consistently and constantly have access to live and ever changing shows but I’m also happy for them.
I'm curious how I'll feel about the Company revival on Broadway. Same director, different cast.
OK my opinion that of course if you do theatre you're a theatre kid, but... if you like have no interest in theatre and maybe listen to Hamilton or a musical theatre song u found on tiktok no ur not a theater kid.
My opinion on people who only listen to mainstream musicals and don't theatre varies.
If you do theatre and only listen mainstream musicals yes ur a theatre kid