THIS Method Always Leads To Original Story Ideas - Guido Segal
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- Guido Segal was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina. Before moving to Los Angeles to pursue his MFA in Screenwriting at UCLA, he was a journalist and a film critic, selected as a Juror at la Semaine de la Critique, during the 2014 Cannes Film Festival. Segal has worked as a documentary filmmaker for History and Discovery Channel covering political topics (Asylum Seekers; Sicarios). He also has vast experience as an assistant director and screenwriter for films and TV. Segal co-wrote the Argentinian films Leones (2012) and Kékzsakállú (2016). He was also staffed as a TV writer in three shows: Un Año Para Recordar (2011-2012); La Asombrosa Excursión de Zamba (2014-2016); and Siesta Z (2016). The last two animated shows were nominated for International Emmy Awards in the Kids category. Segal has lived in Argentina, Spain and Finland, and taught Screenwriting and Film Analysis in Universidad del Cine (Buenos Aires), Universitat Pompeu Fabra (Barcelona), TAMK University (Tampere, Finland) and UCLA.
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Great question asked about writers getting lost. I wish I had seen this 2 years ago. I thought I sucked at plotting but it turns out it's just a lot harder than anyone tells you. Every part of writing is harder than I expected except for the actual writing, which is exactly as hard as I expected.
For me, I start with what a character wants and a conflict that gets in the way of getting that want. From there, I decide what story world would be best for the situation to occur within. When I have that much, I start with the first scene that comes to my mind. Sometimes, the scene is what the story opens with, or a key moment where the protagonist comes across his first major road block to achieving their goal or getting what they want. At that point, I find ambient music that fits the mood of the story. The music helps me visualize and write the scene. Which may include dialogue between characters, or actions the protagonist is taking to work their way towards their want in that moment. Sometimes, I hear a piece of music, that creates a mood which begins to paint the scene in my mind. So, there are several ways I start. Ultimately, my writing process involves listening to a lot of music as I write.
I do the same thing exactly as you mentioned here. :)
I sometimes have a scene that I really like and think to myself, how does everything in the story get to that point? I usually use that as a base to grow a narrative.
Constantly, like he was saying with Hitchcock having these images, except for me it normally starts with music to get a feeling then I get an image like he was getting into at 0:30
Me too. I use the same process
Did you become obese with the scene?
@@brandonj.taylor7004 Oh yeah, you bet I did.
@@stephaniehaggarty9360 all boy, that scene is about to snap
I've just started reading Tarkovsky's book, 'Sculpting In Time' and he talks about preferring association to rigourously working out the logic of a story.
Tarkovsky: "The usual logic, that of linear sequentiality, is uncomfortably like the proof of a geometry theorem."
I think there's room for both, within the one person but also within the spectrum of all artists. Approach creation the way that suits your experience of the world. I know I need both and have often leant too far in either direction.
Very denk, very based
I first had a generic idea of doing a Dark Lord Hero's Journey type of story, then I wanted to focus on my hero's struggle to overcome his extreme inhibition to taking human life and having him struggle with PTSD and his feeling he's evil when he finds he enjoys killing once he accomplishes it. Then used the French Revolution as inspiration for his country's history and the current storyline. The Dark Lord also developed into an Sorcerous and a grey character. She's a self-proclaimed God come in physical form to claim her right to rule the world she created. It's turning out pretty awesome I think.
I think of stories as a pyramid: Characters make the base, plot makes the second level, and the setting makes the tip. Inspiration comes at every level: I can think of a cool story, a cool setting, or a cool character, and work from there:
So, I think of characters first by taking elements from characters I like, giving them some plausible goals, and giving them some charisma (a quirk, an eccentric personality trait, etc.)
Then I think of the plot: What are their goals? What is at stake? What happens if they fail? What happens if time's up? What must be done before time's up?
And finally, the setting, which ideally should be a source of conflict for the characters: An easy quest = A boring quest. It's easy to get a glass of water in a hotel in the Caribbean, not so much on Mars. It's easy to be good in a world that rewards good, not so much in a world that rewards evil...
Then it's simply a matter of outlining, brainstorming, etc. Which should be easy when you get already a clear idea of the characters, the plot, and the setting.
Now, my "method" is only good to develop story _ideas._ Not so much for writing the actual thing... but hope it helps someone...
Pretty good
That is an ideal way to develop story ideas. The primary epic fantasy series I've been working on I decided to work into already prepared setting. I had been designing a planet as scientifically possible as I could as a hobby. Therefore I didn't plan it to be the setting for any books at all. It was have been a massive amount of work to modify my planet maps with even minor changes. So instead I modified the plot and characters to fit into my rigid setting. Honestly, I think doing that helped me develop characters far more interesting than if I made my setting fit my earlier character ideas. It forced me to develop my characters much more organically, and therefore they can feel much more real, at least in my opinion.
Most of my plot was developed simply from finding ways to work with my setting. I developed maps to show what color the eyes, skin, and hair would be of population depending how long they had been in a particular area of my world, and the amount of UV light exposure. This accounts for hair texture as well. The speed of evolutionary change would be different for each of those physical aspects of people.
From my experience,I think it would be useful for people to try developing stories in different ways, such as seeing what happens to your characters, plot, or setting by having one of those aspects rigid and unchangeable once you get it the way you want it.
Personally, after literal ages upon ages of storytelling, making something "original" seems near impossible. Not to mention how storytelling is broken down into tropes too. Which are available to all. We have genre for almost every possible plot there is to make. I think when it comes to "originality" it is more based on how you go about executing the story itself. How you write it and weave it. That to me is how you make it original.
Writing is indeed more than just putting words to paper, so to speak. Something painful that I have learned over the years of practice. Can't just blurt ideas on an empty canvas.
@@jkbnoroshin True, and you always hear that a writer should show rather than tell as much as possible. So to help myself in that respect, I got the book The Dictionary of Body Language by Joe Navarro. I'm taking meticulous notes as I read it so I can assemble an index for myself where I can look up what I want to show, and see the list of all possible body language I could have my characters perform in order to indicate/show fear, stress, and so forth. The guy worked 25 years for the FBI interrogating terrorists and other criminals, and he was taking detailed notes on body language he observed for several years before that since he was 17. Sounds like he really must know what he's talking about when it comes to body, so I think his book would be a very useful reference for any writer.
Agree.
When I was learning digital art, I was often told that the term "originality" is biased. Because humans get influenced by everything, inspired by every reference of something they perceive in the past. We can't imagine things that are completely from nowhere unless it's a thing we have already seen before. The first reference of human arts is--nature.
This happened long back in the primordial age where humans draw on the cave wall.
Same as if you try to imagine the "color" that never existed. You can't.
Sorry for the rumbling, I just want to say that such a thing like 100% original is doesn't exist. Instead, I prefer to call " *original* idea" as " *fresh* idea".
This gentleman' 'torn-sock' sequence hit me like a lightening-bolt. I mean, that's lik the best way to invoke empathy in the audience. Such stuff is what i believe we can use to SHOW emotions. ThanQ so much You-Tube, for suggesting this vid.
What are ways you generate original story ideas (being in a busy public place, seeing other films, reading, dreams, etc.)?
A little of everything. Sometimes it's reading, sometimes it's watching other TV shows/movies, maybe something odd or extraordinary happens in my life or there's an event. I have kind of a ridiculous analogy for brainstorming but to me brainstorming ideas are like catching fireflies. I don't think sequentially about an idea for a script; one minute I have the idea for the beginning, the next it's the ending, then the climax and I just zig zag all over the place.
I start off typically with a fundamental idea for a character, their interactions, a scene, etc. and what helps formulate and structure those ideas are music, which helps set the mood
All of those. When you're creative, your mind is never off. You're writing down dreams in the morning, inspirations that hit you in the shower, on a hike, listening to news, talking to people, watching good or bad movies, doing yard work...anything can be a prompt.
I usually will just sit there and day dream. Once I have a concept I may listen to music to help develop that concept further by finding something that fits the emotion of the scene well.
I like this a lot. It resonates with me as a (very amateur) writer. I tend to write stories with a keyword, or a thing I have an idea for, then I write the layout of the story, or structure if you like, and after that is done, I try to fill it in without destroying my original idea or structure - unless I come up with a better and more effective/original idea. After that, I flesh the story out and then go over it over and over to iron out the creases. Of course, this is not manuscript stuff, but stories, but I am guessing I could do the same if I wrote a manuscript.
All I have to say is thank you.
Cheers Solomon!
I tend to write down every idea as notes, that come to my head pertaining to a story idea. I then go back and remove things and keep what i feel works.
I need to do the same.
The more I think "I have to write XYZ" the more stagnant and derivative it becomes. I have to take time to ruminate, put things on the backburner, gather images and moments as they come to me via different prompts, and then it becomes richer and more organic. But then 15 years go by and I still don't have a first draft...😭
Spot on
Occasionally I wake up after an amazing dream and think where the hell did that come from, if only I could expand on that but alas I am not a script writer.
Guido sos un capoooo!!!
I look at previous media and I’ll see a scene in a movie or a theme, and I’ll ask myself “How can I make this better?” I then recreate the premise of the scene and make it better, and build a story off the changes. Or, I will steal a scene from a music video or skit and build that into a movie premise
"You put your peanut butter in my chocolate!" "No, you put your chocolate in my peanut butter!" - still remember the original Reese's PBC commercial b/c it combines 2 different elements as one.
*Theme, theme, theme! I always start with theme when creating a sprawling narrative. It dictates the plot, it’s conclusion, the conflict, it’s resolution, the characters, their actions, and their development!!!*
One day, I want to make a something as great as a "Sock Scene."
The thumbnail reads "By Association". The term is "Bisociation" termed by Arthur Koestler.
I struggle to create unique yet realistic characters with multiple layers that fit the plot. I usually come up with the story idea first and develop it further. If I come up with characters (usually when drawing) I can't come up with anything original.
By association is one of corey mandels story engines.
This is exactly how I think lol
I was obese and anxietic with a mental image after realistic exposure.
So maybe it’s just me missing the point. But when I watch a lot of these videos I feel like they don’t give you an actual answer. It’s more of a “I don’t know but here might be some things that work? They work for me every once in a while." Kind of answers.
He looks like billy maguire!
Why not just write something interesting? People LOOOVE interesting writing! (I'll always remember that line from "Seinfeld"...the joke being that it is easier said...or even imagined...than done--Jerry's eye roll at Elaine seeming epiphany never fails to make me laugh)
Skip all of this artsy fartsy jargon. It's not deep, it's not metaphysical. Have a imagination, a passion for writing and a grasp of language and grammar.
Sure having a series of images can lead to an original story idea. But it won't necesseraly be good. Anyone remember World War Z. In short, Brad Pitt will be in a series of locations escaping zombies. Damn this was stupid. The individual scenes were interesting, but as a movie? Nah, it wasn't great.
You missed his point completely. It’s a single image that ***INSPIRES*** the thoughts/feelings/emotions which then leads him to a story. He’s using the image he sees which came from someplace (his life/emotions/heart) and using that to create a story.
Yep, and not everyone knows what to do with those images. Every writer will have a different answer. Whether it resonates all comes down to the human story at the heart of it.