It's shocking to hear a Franciscan priest preaching theology which others might call New Age cliches. I, however, find it refreshing and enlightening. More Catholics need to hear this! The mystical life calls each of us.
I am a cradle catholic and never heard this, like this. I know this to be true. Thank u Fr Rohr for bringing to light the violence done in defense of words. Its not in the talk but the walk. God bless all
I have been at birth and death in my family. Birth is usually a joyous occasion, and death is a shattering experience, but both are deeply and profoundly... I can only say spiritual. They contract the physical world and move deeply into the soul.
Working with the developmentally disabled has been some of my most profound spiritual experiences. They are truly powerful people and unfortunately put into a box (much like the rest of society except in a much stricter one).
This is Richard Rohr. He is a Franciscan Monk and is currently at the Center for Action and Contemplation he founded in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Look up the Center for Action and Contemplations website for more info. I am a study of his for several years. I found him while researching after some experiences I had as a result of my practice to find that I had become a Christian Mystic. I may start teaching on this channel. Please check back. Would you be interested in that?
Today while we're all experiencing home quarantine and social distancing this is a beautiful message that informs our hearts what mortality is really all about. Forever and eternally grateful for Fr. Rohr & his incredible message.
Listening to him makes me see the oneness of all religions. And I feel he's right when he says that mysticism is the answer. If you subtract mysticism from ANY religion, it becomes irrelevant and OUT THERE rather than IN HERE. I cannot distinguish him from a Hindu or a Sufi mystic or any other mystic.
I so very much agree re: the non medicalization of birth & death. So many times in my long life, those were sacred moments that connected us on a profoundly deep, loving, and spiritual level.
It is worth mentioning that Francis had experience war and capture. He spent 12 months is a dungeon like prison under harsh conditions until he was released after a ransom was paid. I am left wondering how this experience had stripped away his ego and developed a closer relationship to Jesus Christ. Francis was no doubt suffering PTSD as a result of his war and POW trauma.
I came across a couple of images a few months ago. One was of the Latin Mass in a church crammed with statues and paintings of "heaven" (all thrones & crowns), a great deal of baroque ornamentation, and of the parishioners held at arm's length as if unworthy of Mystery and too soiled by sin to touch the Body of Christ with their hands, let alone touch the Chalice with their lips. After pondering a while on why I found this so disturbing, a question posed itself: is this what Jesus had in mind?
The first split confuses me a little. I remember so clearly seeing my children realize (often none too happily) that I was not a part of them, in the physical sense. I have always believed, and still do as I watch my grandchildren and their children go through that same process, that it’s an important phase of life. It’s a challenging transition, but once the umbilical is severed, it is often replaced with a stronger cord: a golden thread from heart to heart. Or maybe I should say, soul. So for me, that first split, which I suspect I’m not quite understanding as he defines it, is ultimately, at least potentially, a positive necessity.
I absolutely love the poetry of a golden thread connecting the souls I have heard Rohr, in other places, say, the dualistic thinking we develop as children is good and necessary for life; but, it isn’t equipped to handle deep truths or Mystery. From that angle, I believe bridging the “split” here would likely be referring to, awakening to a reality in which we do not truly exist as wholly separate beings. I certainly wouldn’t claim to speak for him, though
@@JaredClaunch in looking back, I think I saw more clearly as a child and young adult than I do now. My mistake was attaching myself to organized religion at a time when the church and priests I was fortunate enough to know expanded my understanding and fostered growth. I say mistake because that church no longer exists, those wonderful priests (including the one who first introduced me to Fr. Rohr) are long gone, and I failed to escape before my understanding began to fall apart. So now, in my old age I find myself struggling with the wrong half of life.
Thank you! I still don’t see how you can have it both ways. If there is only one thing, with no duality, then necessarily that one thing must be you. There can’t be anything else. You can’t say the ground of being is God and then say there is something else, outside of that, namely you. Christian mystics always have to always stay on the dualistic side of the picture, and say God is someone other than me, or they risk being anathematized. I guess it works, but I always feel they are paying lip service to the fundamentalists, -always reaffirming “no no we’re not saying you are god, that Only true of Jesus.” Ok, it’s ok. But I think there’s a fifth split: between you and God.
Hello Bill, I don't have time to give a good response right now but I would suggest that non duality is less about "I am God and God is me" and more about seeing or how I see everything outside of those two things. Nothing really wrong with your observation by the way. Just suggesting a way that you might investigate it further if you're interested. I may do a video on this later.
Newton Boyd thanks Newton. I love Rohr and I am a member of Contemplative Outreach. I am a dedicated practitioner of Centering Prayer. I just think Christian mysticism wants to hang on to self, even as we try to “die to self”. I really appreciate your mild and tolerant reply. And I love your idea of seeing everything outside of those two things. Really good. On some level, both duality and non-duality must be compatible. Thanks again
Why do we recognize the difference between rich and poor? If we make them one, maybe in stillness, neither are, neither is, neither be. But we still receive from God.
That is Richard Rohr. He is a Franciscan Monk and is currently at the Center for Action and Contemplation he founded in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Look up the Center for Action and Contemplations website for more info. I am a study of his for several years. I found him while researching after some experiences I had as a result of my practice to find that I had become a Christian Mystic. I may start teaching on this channel. Please check back. Would you be interested in that?
In the beginning of the world it was the acceptance of the supernatural not denial of death they knew ,not like today whete all must be proved ,because we can't believe that which cannot be proved this is going backwards and putting our tiny understanding everything, and we understand nothing concerning our fathers kingdom, you yourself know nothing and yet you do as our forefathers did.
It's shocking to hear a Franciscan priest preaching theology which others might call New Age cliches. I, however, find it refreshing and enlightening. More Catholics need to hear this! The mystical life calls each of us.
Yes!!
This isn't even "new age" its just gnostic pantheism using Christianity.
I am a cradle catholic and never heard this, like this. I know this to be true. Thank u Fr Rohr for bringing to light the violence done in defense of words. Its not in the talk but the walk. God bless all
I have been at birth and death in my family. Birth is usually a joyous occasion, and death is a shattering experience, but both are deeply and profoundly... I can only say spiritual. They contract the physical world and move deeply into the soul.
When the student is ready the teacher will come. Thank you Jesus 🦋
Working with the developmentally disabled has been some of my most profound spiritual experiences. They are truly powerful people and unfortunately put into a box (much like the rest of society except in a much stricter one).
Thank you, Newton, for posting this insightful content 🙏💖
This is Richard Rohr. He is a Franciscan Monk and is currently at the Center for Action and Contemplation he founded in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Look up the Center for Action and Contemplations website for more info. I am a study of his for several years. I found him while researching after some experiences I had as a result of my practice to find that I had become a Christian Mystic. I may start teaching on this channel. Please check back. Would you be interested in that?
Sounds good
Today while we're all experiencing home quarantine and social distancing this is a beautiful message that informs our hearts what mortality is really all about. Forever and eternally grateful for Fr. Rohr & his incredible message.
Listening to him makes me see the oneness of all religions. And I feel he's right when he says that mysticism is the answer. If you subtract mysticism from ANY religion, it becomes irrelevant and OUT THERE rather than IN HERE. I cannot distinguish him from a Hindu or a Sufi mystic or any other mystic.
There is no such thing as oneness of all religions. Only one is real and the others are completely false
@MiserereNobis you make God too small.
Always a beautiful, humble lucidity to Richards prose x
"God is found in humility".........Love it!
Wonderful information history accessible to all. Enlightenment! Thank you for your help in informing the world. Amen!🙏
I so very much agree re: the non medicalization of birth & death. So many times in my long life, those were sacred moments that connected us on a profoundly deep, loving, and spiritual level.
Finally, I found a Christian that embraces panentheism.
I am well pleased for listening to Richard, someone
Who can think like me
Wonderful presentation by the speaker. Thank you Richard! 🙏🏾
Holy mess, this was awesome.
I totally know what you mean!
Very powerful talk given. Thank you !!
It is worth mentioning that Francis had experience war and capture. He spent 12 months is a dungeon like prison under harsh conditions until he was released after a ransom was paid. I am left wondering how this experience had stripped away his ego and developed a closer relationship to Jesus Christ. Francis was no doubt suffering PTSD as a result of his war and POW trauma.
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I came across a couple of images a few months ago. One was of the Latin Mass in a church crammed with statues and paintings of "heaven" (all thrones & crowns), a great deal of baroque ornamentation, and of the parishioners held at arm's length as if unworthy of Mystery and too soiled by sin to touch the Body of Christ with their hands, let alone touch the Chalice with their lips. After pondering a while on why I found this so disturbing, a question posed itself: is this what Jesus had in mind?
Amazing..........Life changing video......???......We'll see. So on target!
How to Love if Love was never experienced, except in a Dictionary.
Helpful and a great reminder
Magnificent insights from Richard Rohr!!!
My heart is filled, so beautiful 😍
Thank you.
The first split confuses me a little. I remember so clearly seeing my children realize (often none too happily) that I was not a part of them, in the physical sense. I have always believed, and still do as I watch my grandchildren and their children go through that same process, that it’s an important phase of life. It’s a challenging transition, but once the umbilical is severed, it is often replaced with a stronger cord: a golden thread from heart to heart. Or maybe I should say, soul. So for me, that first split, which I suspect I’m not quite understanding as he defines it, is ultimately, at least potentially, a positive necessity.
I absolutely love the poetry of a golden thread connecting the souls
I have heard Rohr, in other places, say, the dualistic thinking we develop as children is good and necessary for life; but, it isn’t equipped to handle deep truths or Mystery.
From that angle, I believe bridging the “split” here would likely be referring to, awakening to a reality in which we do not truly exist as wholly separate beings.
I certainly wouldn’t claim to speak for him, though
@@JaredClaunch in looking back, I think I saw more clearly as a child and young adult than I do now. My mistake was attaching myself to organized religion at a time when the church and priests I was fortunate enough to know expanded my understanding and fostered growth. I say mistake because that church no longer exists, those wonderful priests (including the one who first introduced me to Fr. Rohr) are long gone, and I failed to escape before my understanding began to fall apart. So now, in my old age I find myself struggling with the wrong half of life.
Excellent
Thank you Richard.
Hope you going OK.
Peter
Wow! What a message!!
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Thanks for posting! Would love to know where, when and on what occasion this talk took place? Peace!
I think this was in April of 2012. It was a webcast put out by the CAC - Center fro Action and Contemplation - founded by Richard Rohr
Truth is truth
Incredible
22:44 (4 splits)
They are huge if your working on personal transformation.
Ego is only a false cloak we invent,that is not who god created.
I suppose god is everything he needs nothing ,but is he happy he is us.
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Thank you! I still don’t see how you can have it both ways. If there is only one thing, with no duality, then necessarily that one thing must be you. There can’t be anything else. You can’t say the ground of being is God and then say there is something else, outside of that, namely you. Christian mystics always have to always stay on the dualistic side of the picture, and say God is someone other than me, or they risk being anathematized. I guess it works, but I always feel they are paying lip service to the fundamentalists, -always reaffirming “no no we’re not saying you are god, that Only true of Jesus.” Ok, it’s ok. But I think there’s a fifth split: between you and God.
Hello Bill, I don't have time to give a good response right now but I would suggest that non duality is less about "I am God and God is me" and more about seeing or how I see everything outside of those two things. Nothing really wrong with your observation by the way. Just suggesting a way that you might investigate it further if you're interested. I may do a video on this later.
Newton Boyd thanks Newton. I love Rohr and I am a member of Contemplative Outreach. I am a dedicated practitioner of Centering Prayer. I just think Christian mysticism wants to hang on to self, even as we try to “die to self”. I really appreciate your mild and tolerant reply. And I love your idea of seeing everything outside of those two things. Really good. On some level, both duality and non-duality must be compatible. Thanks again
@@billyoumans1784 Very good stuff there Bill. Does your Contemplative Outreach have a website? I'd Love to see what your group is doing.
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I assume that is why so many mystics have “nothingness” very central in their teachings, you can feel they are struggling too.
Those few who do know sustain everything, life the world znd everything that is
Why do we recognize the difference between rich and poor? If we make them one, maybe in stillness, neither are, neither is, neither be. But we still receive from God.
Perhaps young infants are one ,until they become individuals.
Who is the speaker in the video snd where are they from?
That is Richard Rohr. He is a Franciscan Monk and is currently at the Center for Action and Contemplation he founded in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Look up the Center for Action and Contemplations website for more info. I am a study of his for several years. I found him while researching after some experiences I had as a result of my practice to find that I had become a Christian Mystic. I may start teaching on this channel. Please check back. Would you be interested in that?
@@newtonboyd perhaps yes. Thank you and God Bless
can we please discuss atonenment
In the beginning of the world it was the acceptance of the supernatural not denial of death they knew ,not like today whete all must be proved ,because we can't believe that which cannot be proved this is going backwards and putting our tiny understanding everything, and we understand nothing concerning our fathers kingdom, you yourself know nothing and yet you do as our forefathers did.
Or remember
Find God's creation in yourself.
Yes if Christianity does not teach supernatural god ,it is just another temporal philosophy, or worse political institution