Marvel Champions LEGACY & CURRENT Environment | News Update from FFG
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I think FFG and I have a very different opinion on what a fireside chat means. I imagine an intimate conversation in a warm, cosy safe space with someone you care about, while nestling a nice hot mug of cocoa. This seems more like your partner sitting there, saying: 'BTW, I got rid of your vinyl collection because it was taking up too much space; oh, and I've fallen in love with someone else and they're moving in tomorrow and if you don't like it you can leave. Mm, this cocoa's nice, isn't it?'
I literally laughed out loud to this comment
@@brucehenderson-dm2qh LOL. I’ve never even heard of the term “fireside” before so didn’t second think about the meaning…
I think this is mostly a negative. Especially, for newer players. I say this because new players that REALLY get into Marvel Champions are going to want to play the old characters like the OG Dr.Strange. I think it's also bad for people that have complete sets. I think it's bad because we're going to pay for more reprints. At least it's cheaper and feels less bad than if they had announced a 2nd edition that's not compatible with the first, but in the end, we are going to be paying for more reprints with this type of format. Finally, I think it's bad for the community as a whole, because it will split the player base into people that play current format and those that play the legacy format. While this is negative, I won't quit the game (yet) because I already have a complete collection. If I was one of the players that didn't have the Dr Strange, Captain America, or Sinister Motives, I think I would end up quitting the game.
Dang you’re pretty down it. Those are solid points, i don’t really disagree with any of them except for the player base being split into “legacy” and “current.” I feel like it sounds more separated than it actually is, but since everything will be compatible i can’t imagine any future players who play in the current environment say “I’m not touching cards/heroes that are 5 years old and I’m not playing coop with anyone who uses the OG Doctor Strange. I think the terminology is really just for how products are identified and is easier for the developers to create new fresh products, but players who are new and really like Spider-Man Miles Morales will still buy him and play him with their newer content, although how much of an issue to get Sinister Motives could possibly be a problem…
@@webwarriorfanatic Nice cat by the way. What is their name?
Arkham's Horror Return boxes got me annoyed and stop collecting because of the out of print status like the return of the zealot box i stepped in a couple of years after the game released so missed out on a lot of content which i wanted and could'nt get it annymore
@@Eeeville thanks, her name is Sesame haha
If only FFG released the hero pack collection in the States, I brought every campaign/investigators for Arkham thanks to the new release model and would have done the same for MC if FFG was willing to reprint and allowing new players to catch up to the new content.
I'm in MC since 2020, I'm a completist and I fear to be "incentivized" in purchase a Cap America 2.0 or similar... Patiently waiting to see what exactly FFG will do. Thanks for the video!
I get that. But at the same time I’d definitely buy a Hulk 2.0 😂 you’re right that we just have to wait and see
@@webwarriorfanatic about Hulk, I agree. 😅
@@OresteGamba hahaha 😆
I hate it. So many heroes on my wish list, so little time and $. I was just getting going too
Sorry man. That stinks :(
My first thought when I heard their plan is that I would love an updated Hulk or Spider-Man with the web-warrior trait (as you mentioned). But the reason I would want to have a web warrior Spider-Man is to synergize with all the web warrior cards. However those are going to be legacy and so newer players will get a web warrior Spider-Man but have no way of making a web warrior build (outside of Silk’s cards). Same thing for a guardians traited Iron Man. I hope FFG makes all legacy stuff print to play like the Ronan modular if they never intend to print it again themselves.
Ah shoot you’re right i didn’t about that… having a Web-Warrior Peter Parker with Sinister Motives defeats the purpose 🤦🏻♂️ I’m hoping they have a solution for that
This equivalence to set rotation certainly isn't a bad idea, but this sounds like something that should be stated at least a year ago, not now after so many things are already out of print and hard to find for new players. Personally I bought a 2nd hand collection, but if I hadn't I wouldn't even know where to find some of the older stuff for a reasonable price.
Second hand collections are going to go way up in price, so I’m glad you got yours before this announcement. Someone else raised the idea of 1 last reprint now that we know this news and i think that would help give new players some time to still acquire what they want. I also think it would be profitable to FFG since people will probably be rushing to fill out their collection
As a player who is up to date on all of the products, I don't think this will affect me much. I can't say the same for a new player though. Some new players may not care, but some new players may be very interested in some of those older heroes and would end up having to pay like $100 to a scalper for their hero pack which kind of sucks.
My main concern is that I hope they plan on releasing heroes more frequently if this is the road they're going down because revisiting old heroes and making new versions will make heroes like Daredevil, Moon Knight, Ghost Rider, Eddie Brock Venom, etc take even longer to get to the game if the hero pack cadence doesn't increase. Like maybe when they release an updated old hero, they also release another hero pack at the same time or something.
$100 is more likely the scalpers rate for "not YET out of stock (but never to be printed again)" 'Black Widow' and her prep cards to play with Nick. Dr Strange being already 'out of stock' (and never printed again) is gonna be higher.
Yea scalping is crazy sigh. For a non competitive game too. I feel like if they add on extra “revisited” heroes every wave, that would be amazing. That might make people more on board for this
Great point about the production cycle taking longer. I'm guessing they'll be mixed in as some of the new team flexes their design abilities and maybe re-imagines their favorite heroes that fall into this category.
It will affect you when you have a legacy deck that creates serious play difficulties with a current format scenario, forcing you to either go buy a deck with a finite shelf life or just stop supporting the rotating game
@ I don't understand your comment. I currently have the entire game and Agents of Shield is pre-ordered. What play difficulties would my legacy decks run into?
I also don't think the game will be rotating. They said all of the content moving forward will remain backwards compatible with all of the legacy content. The only difference from my understanding will be game balance being balanced around the last ~3 years of content and the types of decks players play. Decks using only cards from the last 3 years will be considered a "current" deck while decks using cards more than 3 years old will be considered a "legacy" deck.
While a Web-Warrior Spider-Man is an obvious add, I actually kind of doubt that will be included in the "revamped" heroes. I mean, they very specifically mentioned these new versions of heroes in relation to their old "legacy" versions going out of print. Spider-Man is unlikely to ever go out of print unless they decide to release a completely new core box.
Good point. Will the web-warrior trait even be current when the new version of Spider-man arrive? Sinister motives cards could be pushed to the legacy by then...
I just bought the core set around Christmas after seeing you and a couple other content creators teach the game, was instantly sold. I've been wanting to get the wave 1 heroes but was waiting on a North American release of the wave 1 hero collection that Europe got. Now idk if i want to buy any additional content after this news, even Rise of the Red Skull is out of stock everywhere
I think Shuri is definitely an example of what they mean by revisiting older heroes.
They’re going to continue focusing on whatever major category of IP they’re on, and then maybe mix in buffs for older traits where possible.
If the next wave ends up being Defenders or FF4, I hope they build out some more for the Beefy Boys (14+ hp) with Luke Cage/Thing!
That’s interesting. Personally I disagree because they’ve already released Miles Morales and announced Shuri before this announcement. That would also mean the speculated “Captain America Sam Wilson” would be the new replacement for Steve Rogers, and i think it would be outrageous to leave Steve Rogers out of print and not have any new version of the character for new players who don’t have classic Cap. I don’t know forsure yet so maybe it’s just that I’m hoping for this 😆😂🤞🏻🤞🏻
I started playing Marvel Champions this year and I don't live on USA so it's almost impossible to buy older characters such as Dr. Strange and all the cards that come with that pack. So I'm really excited to see what are they going to do with it.
Nice!!! Your positivity makes me happy after reading a bunch of negative (but fair) comments. I hope they release an awesome version of Captain America and Doctor Strange so you don’t feel like you ever need the older ones
It’s an unforced error exacerbated by Nate French and FFG publishing a 300 word “explanation” three days after the news release.
When point three extols the removal of cards and content as examples of “freedom”, you know you’re deep into corporate-speak double talk. How anyone thinks they can pull this off in a non-competitive game is beyond me.
I haven’t seen anyone mention it but I suspect the original core box is on track to be retired as well.
Oh shoot. In the livestream, they said the core sets for the games will remain in “current environment.” But I’m not sure if that will change based on the article
@ I only wrote that because the seven Standard cards are the only thing making that box an essential.
@@JJEMcManus i actually thought they were going to make the core set obsolete with a new “starter box for the current environment” but after listening more carefully, Tony dropped a line about the core set being connected to the current environment that had me reassured
@@webwarriorfanatic I’m reassured suspecting they likely overestimated their annual order the past couple of years. Totally by accident, of course.
@ hahaha 😂
I feel a bit overwhelmed by the amount of content now. I have so so much in my backlog - heroes that I haven’t played or heroes I haven’t played in all aspects that feels like I’ll never get to. Sunsetting these heroes and releasing newer versions feels even more overwhelming. Was hoping to see other marvel heroes before any sunsetting.
I can see that. I also thought they would sunset heroes AFTER releasing the majority of Marvel heroes like you said. I know that their intentions are to prevent players from getting overwhelmed 😅
=Just= finished my collection (got Dr. Strange from Sweden), so at least I'm not going to be missing out. I'm pretty new to LCGs, so crossing my fingers that this is a positive move.
After watching the fireside chat and reading today’s article, I am optimistic about this new era. There are some downsides sure, but nothing earth-shattering. Natural evolution of the game’s lifecycle.
The way they described the hero re-releases sounded cool. It won’t be a tweak or a couple cards changed, rather it is a new design. That will be exciting so long as it isn’t overdone.
I can always count on Kyle to be optimistic 😂
Yea there’s a definitely things im looking forward to. I know the community wants a new Hulk but it seems a lot of people are worried about what this means for the future
@@webwarriorfanatic 😂 thanks! I do what I can 😉
Yeah, it’s easy to be unsure when we all love the game so much. Hopefully as FFG gives more details, it will be more assuring. Either way though, we still have more new content on the way!
@@wkylegreen Yes, still Agents of SHIELD to look forward to lol! I think based on my experience of the game so far it’s fair to give this new idea the benefit of the doubt 💪💪
This certainly has shaken up the tree...I'll need to see how it pans out but from my own perspective, I dont think it affects me that much- I still have all my cards and can atill use them whenever I want...for newer players and those just starting to find momentum- I hope they can be reassured with the new material that will be released...if there's a new Cap - they'll still have Cap in their collection!
And I'm mindful that there are some who will still want what they can't have (it's in our nature)...and that's a hard pill to swallow...
On the other end, there are those (who have the entire collection) not wanting to buy a 'duplicate' but feel compelled to, lest they miss out on additional aspect cards...
I can only speak for myself, but I look forward to having variants of heroes as long as the heroes and their variants have different mechanics (yet similar thematics of course!:) )...I think this was addressed by Tony as well when he mentioned something like, "it's not just a reprint with different flavour text"...to have two ways to play Cap...or Dr Strange...or Hulk....that excites me!
My initial feelings are VERY negative. Hoping for the best, we'll see how it all shakes out.
Currently wrestling with whether to mass buy what I still need for Arkham.
Whaaat I’m shocked. i felt like your video was pretty neutral haha 😆 i completely misjudged the vibe.
Forget about Arkham, though. We’re TEAM MARVEL!!!
Haha! Well the idea was to offer a neutral recap. I was a bit skeptical in it though, and I've quickly become more negative.
@@VillainTheory oh mannn that’s disheartening for me to hear, idk why lol. Really really hoping that our favorite game doesn’t end like this and that your impressions are WRONG 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🥲
@@VillainTheory get all the Arkham stuff. I say this as someone who was rushing near the end of the original print run of LOTR
Get out of here you DC junkie! Team Marvel! Team Marvel! Team Marvel…
I think is negative. My opinion is they talked about a bunch of false excuses to justify they just care about the money when they say they will stop reprinting. Which is fair, but I prefer honesty rather than lie saying thats what bew people want and that doesnt mean they wont be at shops. LOL
Also its a way to create fomo and make people buy everything just in case disappear. So inho very shady tactics.
I hear you. I give them the benefit of the doubt in terms of their honesty about reprinting just not making a profit. But yea it sounds rough. Coping is my specialty so ill do it until i can’t anymore 😂
Been waiting to pick up Cap for a long time. Sucks that it will probably be another while before he is rereleased. Bummer
That’s unfortunate :/ hopefully the revisited characters will also have an appeal to where players who don’t have the old versions don’t feel like they’re missing out
They described it as a redesign not a re-release. So if you’re interested in this version, I’d look for it! Maybe hard to find but there should be copies somewhere.
Love the cat! 😺
I'm still confused about how exactly is this going to work for new players, is hare for me to imagine a Marvel comics based game where a new player can't get Cap. America as one of their first heroes not in the core set. Cap America probably being one of the strongest,easy to drive heroes out there still. I understand the aspects card can be reprinted if they see a lot of demand for it, but not sure how to address this issue of such iconic heros for the game just not being available, and really not sure how would they create a new Cap America, or Dr Strange, or even Hulk.
Yea i feel that. The new Captain America would have to be spectacular in his own right, to where new players won’t feel like they’re missing out of the old own…which makes me wary of power creep. I’m hoping there’s a way to get all of this done.
Sesame is great but unfortunately my wife didn’t want to give her a Marvel-related name 🥲
I better find a Dr. Srange in English as a new player completionist, for under $100 usd before prices skyrocket. I want them to re-release the OG of each hero, with errata is acceptable. And do not want anymore versions of heros like all the spiderman we have already. Because i'm a completionist and have to collect every single card including every single hero version.
I'm more worried about this Legacy system for Arkham Horror than Marvel Champions honestly. But that is because very little of Marvel is out of print compared to Arkham Horror. I did get my hands on a Captain America pack in english. But the cost was double the msrp.
Dang. Yea I’m not sure about Arkham Horror would work with this, i know it’s a much older game but don’t know the climate/landscape of it
I believe FF already captured the bulk of the target audience for MC and is past its prime. If they want to make it more accesible to new players maybe they should try the Marvel United approach by releasing sporadic stand alone “core/expansions”, live avengers, x-men, spider-geddon and multiverse, that way you can just grab one box and be done, or buy more expansions and core boxes without much problem.
Standalone with compatibility would be amazing. Ive said this for awhile but i thought Marvel Champions is in its prime right now. This news does have me second guessing that, though
I am more skeptical about this the more I think about it.
On the one hand there might be additional reasons why they dont reprint old heroes that were not disclosed. On the other hand I am a bit worried about their release cadence. If they revisit the old but popular heroes will it slow down new Hero releases a lot ?
Well the game has been a lot of fun so far and overall I trust them to deliver good products. So I am still optimistic although a bit worried there might be more deeper reasons to not reprint old heroes and change to a new "current system".
Let's hope for the best, Marvel Champions fans 🤞🏼
Yea im in the same boat in terms of believing in the joy this game has brought me and trusting they know what they’re doing. Personally id like to see 1 “revisited” hero every 2 waves or so. So we’re still getting new heroes but 1-2 old heroes per year
Still don't know how to feel about this new model, but I like your ideas. If we have to get the old heroes again, base them on their different designs. But I would prefer different characters altogether...
Sesame is such a great name!!!!
Lol thanks! She’s great but we’re worried because she’s not eating much and has only used the bathroom once since we got her (on Wednesday).
Either way. I think it’s safe to say we need more new cat in the videos.
Lol. Any cat training advice would be much appreciated 😅
@ good luck. I tried and turned out they were training me.
@@fathedchef hahah it feels like that. She just started biting me as of 20 minutes ago. Like constantly just trying to bite me every moment she gets…
It's already been mentioned, but I'm willing to give FFG the benefit of the doubt for this particular game based upon what I've seen from them thus far. It's important for them to get feedback, though, so that they know what people's concerns are because it certainly seems to me they want to keep selling packs. Thanks for covering this and sharing your thoughts!
Thanks John! Yea im with you. Theyve shown in the past that our feedback is heard! So i think we can assume this would continue
Im chooding to remain positive despite my gut feeling
Yea i feel that. I’m hopeful but worried as well
What this says to me is that the Marvel Champions core set is profitable to FFG, but the expansions and individual hero packs are not. In an ideal world, they want to print a bunch of one product and have it sell quickly. This must only be happening with the core set. Selling the older product is a slow burn, since it is only needed by new players who may take their time to build their collection. Having lots of different products that people have to choose from means that you have a much longer return on investment for each printing. It sounds like they want new players who get the core set to buy the new expansions and this is their way of doing that. As a new player, I figured that I should try and start from the beginning, so I've focused on Wave 2 heros and managed to get the Rise of Red Skull and Galaxy's Most Wanted. I assumed that eventually there would be a Wave 1 box I could buy.
What frustrates me is that while they have sold the Wave 1 box to parts of the world which got a late start on Marvel Champions, to my knowledge they have never tried selling this box in the US to allow newer players to build up their collection. That to me is why the "too many SKUs" argument doesn't hold any water. So easy to reduce the number of SKUs by packaging up each old wave in a separate box. Also the whole " the current situation is not financially fair to new players" doesn't resonate with me. If they wanted to make it more fair, they should keep printing the old stuff so everyone has enough time to build up their full collection and doesn't have to pay a premium on Ebay if they want the full set.
Good points. I didn’t realize that but you’re probably right that the core set is most profitable and that makes a lot of sense. Ive seen images for those wave 1 boxes and part of me always thought they would release those in the states and reprint the older heroes
Really disheartened to hear the sunsetting of older heroes.
Indifferent about the whole environment thing, I'll just keep playing whatever. If it gives them more wiggle room when it comes to balancing new scenarios then so be it.
Excited about reprints. I'm still missing a ton of useful cards.
Glad to here you’re excited about the reprints! And yea i have all the product but feels bad knowing they are out of print. For some reason i was under the impression that even if Marvel Champions stopped releasing new product, the old stuff would still be in production
Trying to be positive about it but I definitely think it could end up giving that fomo feel especially for newer players. I have most of the content so while it doesnt impact me greatly I do feel for everyone who didnt go crazy buying everything like I did around april of last year when I started.
FFG is making a huge mistake with this move. They just said after two years, their current slate of customers should just exit to make room for the next group. I’m done at the end of this year.
Honestly i feel like the older players have it better with this. We have rare “legacy” heroes that we can use against the newest content, while new players won’t have access to it
This news sounds terrible for me...
They talked a lot about accessibility, but "retering" products is the worst think you can do to accessibility. And they also mention that they will reprint old cards in new packs, and I think this is pretty bad... When I buy a new pack, I don't want more copies of cards that I already have.
I personal don't like this "new versions" of the old heroes, like Iron Heart or this new Shuri. This kind of think just make less interesting in play using old heroes.
For me, all this changes just beneft the company. Now they can just create a new products for the same heroes over and over again... And add reprint in the packs, they don't need to create all 25 aspects/base new cards...
Reprinting old aspect cards in new packs is a tough one. I relate to not wanting more copies of cards that i already have, but i understand for new players that’s awesome so they don’t have to buy old packs especially if the packs have been out of print. Usually I’m pretty happy with alternate arts (like the new art on the basic doubles, team training, power of leadership, etc are a few that i really like) so maybe the can be a solution for players who have all content to enjoy having the new and old arts of the cards
@@webwarriorfanatic I agree that this reprints will help new players, but it is a solution for a problem that only exist because they will remove old packs hahaha
@ hahaha true. Good point lol 😆
Don’t they already reprint aspect cards?
@@zackpoopable yes, and to be honest, I hate that hahaha
Most of this reprints are complete irrelevant, if you already have the og.
I heavily dislike the standard/legacy format because i don't think it really serves a purpose other than making FFG feel good about what their doing, thinking that new players will enjoy it. This is a non-competitive Co-op game, so why do we need any kind of division or categories? Just man up, say if it's licensing or money or whatever, as the reason old heroes won't get a reprint. Shoot, it might even just be internal politics of those designers moving on to other projects, who knows?
I've been with MC since the beginning, so I'm just trying to speak for others just now getting into it, like my son who spends his own money to get one box or hero pack at a time. I don't mean to sound harsh, but direct. They should be able to tell us what the raw deal is and go from there.
Always excited to see new heroes, so i wouldn't mind alternate versions of Peter or Stephen down the line, but the language of Legacy makes me wonder what kind of treatment they'll get. As long as they still feel like those characters, I'd be happy. It's a must to connect theme and mechanics.
In regards to FFG being honest, they did say in the fireside chat that the reason was because they don’t profit from reprints. Maybe they could have emphasized it more or not announce the legacy environments with it. I totally agree with there having a connection between theme and mechanics!
For new players this might be a big L. What if they want to play the old version of Doctor Strange? It doesn't matter if the new one is "improved". I'm cautiously positive though because of one reason. This game has yet to disappoint me. Sure it's not exactly cheap (probably because of licensing), but once you buy a pack/expansion, you have everything for that content. You don't need to buy a billion booster packs to hopefully get everything you need and left with a bunch of copies of cards you don't need and can't do anything with. Or buy overly expensive single cards. The mechanics are fun, the heroes and villains are super thematic, there are only like 2-3 heroes I actively dislike, same with villains, the art on the cards is great and it's fairly easy to set up and quick to play in solo.
Yea I’m not sure how they can make a new Strange that makes new players not have FOMO for the classic Strange. Cautiously positive is a good description of how i feel too… for all the reasons you stated and the track record of everything I’ve loved about this game i have to be hopeful. That and my copium
I’m going to wait and see, but I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
I put a huge thread on VTs discussion, so will give a short version here.
My original thought was I hate this. The more I thought about this, this really opens up the design space for the game and COULD be very interesting. I'll have to reserve judgement for now. My guess is I may play a "Current" lite version, where I play "Current", but throw in a few cards from the old meta if I need/want them in the deck.
As an aside, this may actually increase the life cycle of the game. LOTR had a problem where they had to increase the difficulty to such an extent in lmthe last three or so cycles it drove out all but the most hardcore gamers.
That’s interesting and i haven’t really heard that perspective. What is a design that this could open up? because i personally can’t really see anything. I am definitely just going to play in the “legacy environment” lol
@webwarriorfanatic So hear me out, and I'm not trying to be combative here, but you are one of the content creators I think won't end up following legacy. If they are putting out content on par with AOA difficulty or even less, you will enjoy the deck building challenge of making it work. Sure, you run up against Venom Goblin or Ronan, you're playing legacy. Otherwise, you may find yourself bored, or maybe playing heroic or something. The way I see this working out is I'm playing "Current" lite, I'm running 90% of my deck current, but if I want to throw in a handful of legacy cards, I am. Or maybe you run a hero that's not current, but use currrent build rules. This is a complete hypothesis at this point, and maybe it will totally suck this way, but that's how I forsee me proceeding if they do a good job at this.
Hope that makes sense, on to balancing issues.
The biggest example is Honed Technique. They haven't released a single multitarget attack since that card came out, They shut down an entire area of design because they released one card, and aggression has suffered for it, IMo.
To a lesser extent, a card like leading blow reduces some hero designs. I'm not sure what could be better than guaranteeing at least one damage and a card draw that they may want to explore, but it's a possibility.
Angel makes every aerial event have to be designed with him in mind.
Every weapon has to be designed with the fact that Deadpool can pull any weapon from the entire collection.
Every tech card has to be designed with repurpose in mind.
Every thwart card needs to be designed with Overwatch in mind.
And that's just what comes immediately to mind in under two minutes. Pretty sure if this was my job I could find 100 more interactions in a day.
If MC is just one timeline, can FFG just make another timeline with "soft-reboot"?
I just wish i could buy the cards. I just started playing the game, and now all of the content that every youtuber recommends is now unaccessible to me. If i knew that was going to happen, i never would have bought the game in the first place.
FFG, just reprint the old cards, maybe with a new artwork it really doesn't have to be that hard. And don't power creep the old heroes by introducing busted keywords. AKA stalwart which imo wasn't the best idea.
Yea I’m not the biggest fan of stalwart, but im also not the biggest fan of stun/confuse 😅
@@webwarriorfanatic I agree it was a core mechanic that snowballed into something ridiculous in the modern era lol.
They are killing this game. I will probably stop buying new stuff to MC after 2025.
🥲 One concrete positive is that MC is more of a board game, so it has replayability without new purchases but man it would feel bad in terms of hype if our worries become true
@webwarriorfanatic I will definitely keep playing even without new content, and watching you guys on RUclips I love this game, and this community. Let's hope for the best.
You can always print out legacy out-of-print cards on to blank playing cards. They just cant maintain profitability while keeping everything available for purchase
True. That’s a good solution for players to be able to have access to everything they want. On the other side I don’t own a printer or understand the sizing mechanisms required so i can relate to people who don’t want to do that :/
It's not ideal, but we always knew that eventually they'd stop printing old stuff out was just a matter of when.
In terms of the legacy/ current environments, it's a coop game you can just play whatever you want however you want, they can't dictate that
Yea as a player who owns everything i think i won’t be affected too much because of the backwards compatibility, but im worried for new players and the future of the game 😅😅
@webwarriorfanatic yeah I understand that, but in another sense the designs of more recent heroes have been much more interesting and generally well- balanced than a lot of the heroes from early in the games lifespan (I know you love Peter Parker), so honestly narrowing choices for new players and giving them a higher chance at a good introduction to the game will possibly be good long-term.
I remember when a ton of people bounced off the game because their first expansion purchase was Galaxies Most Wanted, and now that or Hulk won't be stumbling blocks for new players. It will depend on how the new content is rolled out, of course.
And honestly, how many new players are getting into the game and are spending the now over $1000 to get all the content? I imagine the vast majority of players don't have all the content just due to the sheer amount. It's a tough pill to swallow but it was inevitable at some point. I do wish they'd do one last round of reprints to demand to give people a chance to get the packs they don't have, but it seems they aren't doing that of course.
@@justinvamp15 absolutely agreed with everything you said. Good points. And one last reprint?! Best idea I’ve heard. I think they will profit on the last reprints if they actually label it as “the last reprint.” And it’ll give a chance for everyone currently affected by this news to get what they want… and future players will hopefully have their version of Steve Rogers to love and enjoy
@webwarriorfanatic yeah that would be so good for them to do as long as they printed to demand instead of making it a FOMO/ scarcity driven mess
You got a new cat and it’s not black? Change your handle!
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This will be fine if they actually reprint archetype staples.
This would be pretty important to keeping Perfect Defense, Dive Bomb shenanigans, etc
@ truth be told, there are some heroes that I am not interested in, but I want 1-3 basic or aspect cards from the pack, so I know I eventually have to get them. That’s one of the things I don’t really like. But I know that there are alternatives nowadays, like the website you mentioned in previous videos.
Eh I don’t think its that big of a deal. As long as they keep on releasing stuff.
Yea i can see that for us older players that have everything but it’s pretty rough for new players who want that OG cap 😅
I think you're right about the continued rerelease/update of heroes. However, we won't get Steve Rogers Cap, it will be Sam Wilson Cap. It won't be Steven Strange, it will be Clea Strange, instead of Bruce Banner Hulk, it will be Braun Hulk etc. In the long run it will add a nice variety to the game going forward.
The reason i dont think thats what they meant is because we’ve already gotten different alter-egos of those characters in the past in Miles Morales, the Shuri announcement, Ironheart, and potentially Cap Sam Wilson. Since this is a “shift” to accommodate players who can’t get out of print Cap, we need Steve Rogers remastered! At least that’s what I’m hoping
@@webwarriorfanatic 0:57 ??? I seriously doubt it. As you say, older players don't want to be a "remastered" they want a new hero. I guess we'll wait and see.
@urloony older players have been vocal for years about wanting a remastered Peter Parker Spider-Man with the Web-Warrior trait or a Hulk that’s just stronger
I feel like a large part of Champions is somewhat power creep proof, but, I can't help but notice that a lot of the newer folks that they have been putting out have been more and more powerful in their own ways. Like, yes all cards can be used with all heroes, but that doesn't mean every hero is viable? I'm hoping we don't get power creep in the sense that they just keep adding more abilities that older folks just do not get. We're getting more and more mechanics but it's mostly been rules revisions or things like keywords. I would love to see new aspects and not just Deadpool's. I can't imagine releasing more 'pool aspect cards without him.
I mostly agree. Especially with Deadpool and the ‘Pool aspect. If that becomes a part of the legacy environment we can say goodbye to future ‘Pool support 😅