Death of a young CA | Time to End India's Toxic Work Culture
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Death of a Young CA | Time to End India's Toxic Work Culture | CA Punarvas Jayakumar Classes
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This is not only in Big4s even in so called Investment Banks also. I joined last year August in a real estate based IB firm and the associate director was so toxic that he called me for a site visit when I had a rib cage injury. He told me to get a painkiller which I never took in my life. He even taunted and humiliated me in front of other colleagues for not agreeing to his philosophy. I quit that firm after 5 months and now I’m way more peaceful and happier.
Please get an understanding of the toxicity and act soon else your confidence gets crashed.
Good that you took a stand !Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Add management consultant firms in that category along with IB
It's not about the company you work for, Its about the people you work with matters!!! true words sir!!
That is true
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Don’t agree,
Both company policies and managers responsible..
I personally heard regarding toxic work culture in EY..
They don’t have fixed working hours,
Most of them work even during Sunday’s..
I want ICAI to do something since they represent all CA's its like our sister died and we are all very quiet about it
Even in small Audit firm _work is really pressure _ god should go even more mental and physical power all our CA and CA students ❤
This is most alarming issue not only in Big4s but in every organisation! We need to definitely have a work life balance. I guess every office should adhere strictly to the So called "office hours"! It should not only be confined to office entrances and offer letters. There should be an internal committee setup in every office which dedicatedly looks after the employee health, their mental state and working hours. Afterall at the end, we are earning for our stomachs...we shouldnt let the money, ego , fame & power reach our heads! Just be contended is what one needs! At the same time that doesn't at all imply that one should not have high aspirations and dreams in life! A balance is must👍
Very true buddy. Excellent points.Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Even if they bring such rules, my manager simply she would tell go offline on your teams and work and actually she is in call with me till 4 am
People wanted India to be like Japan, well here you go !! The big 4 will make you slaves !!
Glad you acknowledged this tragedy and are spreading awareness sir will definitely take the learnings from this
Most welcome buddy. Cheers
Thanks for speaking about this case sir. Hope all of us, especially the young chartered accountants and future chartered accountants do not fall prey to the toxic work culture. Hope we'll all be able to stand up for ourselves and make our own decision and come out of toxic environment without succumbing to it. We should all prioritise our mental and physical health over anything else.
Very true buddy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
the worst part is i saw 20+ messages (not figuratively , actually counted over 20 messages) from indian BIG4s and Banking and consultancy workers in the subreddit after the post stating yes its common and nothing can be done against such toxic managers/ partners , I always was dreaming such a life of investment bankers , management consultants like travelling across world , white collar and lakhs of pay but never thought the stress which one had to go through to get into one and worst part susain innit! so an important life lesson learnt after this sad occasion
RIP anna sebastian
Shocking. Very true buddy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I decided the moment I become ca...I will start my own business....never ever touch job ... especially in big 4
Good decision!
CA just like any other profession is a need for the society, but what if she was not a CA and not working for Big 4, would there be coverage given to any chef or a labourer if he had died.
Dude, that's just disgusting. Have some empathy for the deceased. Your logic makes no sense, no one is taking away fron other professions. As an individual in the same profession we have responsibility in making young aspirants aware of the same.
I can't believe the stupidity man, its just pathetic.
Thank you sir, for your discussion on this case. Technically this is a murder due to her manager's toxic work pressure and stress put on her. I am deeply distressed after reading her mother's letter. My deepest condolences to her family members. We must stop glorifying excess workload put on the employees, over stress, and pressure. We must know the threshold limit of our pain endurance and respect our physical, emotional, and mental well-being. Otherwise, we can't control our body's reaction to the ailments and the result will be unexpected. This is surely a wake-up call for everyone who puts long hours into study or work. Health over wealth matters always.
Very true buddy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I did same
My manager was worst
So I left the company within 2.5 months of joining
Great decision
As it's said in the thumbnail, who's going to end this work culture? ? It's going to be a talk of town for a week. Aftr dat chalo kaam pe lag jaao. Again every CA CS will crave to have big 4 name on their resume
You're absolutely right. Hence, we are doing our bit to create a survey and elicit information from young CAs anonymously, to understand what companies can do to change this. Will submit at appropriate forums. Whether any change would come or not is left to one's imagination, but effort has to be made. Thanks for your views
Sadly she was intelligent in her work but could not be empathetic to herself 😢 EQ wins over IQ
Contrary to the false narrative going online, she did not take life. She had a cardiac arrest due to stress
@@CAPunarvasJayakumarClasses The body gives the message to the brain or whatever when things are not going well. This is a mechanism of nature, There is always a silent alarm, Nothing happens suddenly, but we fail to realise till it’s too late. So just to prove our point to the society that I am X & Y and I work in Big 4 etc and I make XYZ by working hard against nature, we lose our life.
I had a friend who earned 3 times more than me, but he worked hard against natures biological clock, and one day at the age of 30 he died of cardiac arrest. What’s the point of the salary, house car, when the person using the material things is no more.
Nothing will happen until SC pass a judgement regarding working hours or there's no responsibility of employees after stated working hours
This will end with when we realised that quality of work and quantity of work both are different.
So work with your path to live a better life.
We all speak now. When Govt is talking of increasing the working hours from 8 hours per day to attract the industries to make India more attractive.
Why nobody speak against the decision
And here in tn we want to change 8 hrs work to 12hrs or more
Just because govt becoming too corrupt 😢
I think Big 4 should learn to invest on designing AI having the avatar of chartered accounant they appoint to work on during peak hours with discounted price having some percentage in package offered. This will put an end card for health issues and also the career of chartered accountant will be safe.
Novel idea. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Don't run at the back of money, fame and success. Run for life and health. Stress itself is mortal. Be amicable with family and friends. Lessen your stress. Keep your mind fresh always. Don't fix highest targets. Don't obey blindly every senior and Superior's orders or suggestions . Make a habit of replying and discussing boldly with them. You make clear "what you want to do and what you can (will) do." You are a capable guy . You can work in any company and anywhere. You may fail in some. So what ??? Every failure will strengthen you. Be always relaxed.
same is the case with us CA articles late night workings even well past 12am in morning still getting scolded by principals , not even able to study since past many days
Even global logic is nowhere behind for putting so many malpractice.
sir if you work ine&you are given respect. lack of eq
Even I also faced such situation
Hope you came out of it !
It's unfortunate to find somebody die but it's the challenge a CA has to pass to achieve.
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Tu rehne de
I made best decision of my life by joining Industry (Limited Company) with decent pay and getting nice exposure in all the fields
Got 16 %increment too in First year.
Never go by company fame, look at work culture and exposure
Which company?
Excellent. Good choice buddy. Good luck
Suicides due to job crisis. Suicides due to work pressure.
Where are we heading ?
This was not a suicide , fyi
Yes sir. Technically not.
@@CAPunarvasJayakumarClassesthen what happened heart attack?
Cardiac arrest
Donot invite Big 4 for campus placements for next 3 years, if there is concern to Institute of its members.
Sir we want to know , how EY / ICAI address this issue and will they prioritise well being or they want same to continue like how it was going earlier
They will unfortunately continue the same trend. But TRULY hope something changes
10:07 touching
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One more problem with most of the practising Chartered Accountants will treat their articles as slaves. They won't respect.
Even our Institute has reduced the articles period to two years from three years that too with curtailment of leave.
Why our CA members donot ask the institute in this matter.
Big 4 , All of them are TOXIC
Till death happens, you didn't felt to respond sir?
Was it suicide??
No cardiac arrest
Ca is just like another labour
Sir this is even happening in a small firm my principal, she still wanted us to work till 9 max on filing seasons and even on Sundays. Even today she asked us that are you leaving early but it was almost 7:45.. because she used to work in big four for more than 12 hours a day and she also expects us to do the same. i really needed ICAI to address this issue.