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Rome fell - beside other reasons- because of extreme social inequalities and the dying out of the middle class. There was a small class of extremely wealthy senators and landowners that didnt contribute to the state. They were the same type of people as Musk is today, a minority of plutocrats and oligarchs that were among other reasons and during a longer period responsible for the failing of the later roman empire that was a military organized autocracy. They had their private armies and they didnt pay taxes and established realms of independent rule.
@coornhenning 0 seconds ago I admire Elon but this is an extrem simplification why Rome fell. First of all, it didn't fall, it kept living on in the east. In my opinion the real major reason why the western roman empire fell was two decision that was made 150 years earlier by Constantine: (1) moving the capital to Constantinople and (2) converting to Christianity. This shifted the focus from the west to the east and created a lot of internal division between pagans and Christians, and Christians and other Christians over various heresies.
Rome has fallen because all the young men were sent to battle field and never returned leaving children and their mothers alone. Society never had hope for thier families and it was all about what a Mad king and politicians around him wanted
I think it also has to do with the fact that, as a pre-industrial civilization, much of Rome's economy was driven by conquest & plunder on its borders. "If ya can't make it, take it". As this continued and the empire expanded, so did its borders and therefore their total length. More border = more troops = more enemies. Eventually Rome just couldn't keep up with fewer children, more young men in the Legions and associated economic decline domestically.
@@Robosci That is not what happened to Rome. Musk is partly correct that Romans abandoned family as the centre of its culture. Disease and climate change were the big factors. The exact same thing happened to the Byzantines.
Studying these things on long timescales and boiling them down to one cause-effect relationship obscures the many factors involved in any specific situation. Thinking in this way can then lead to focusing on this one supposed cause-effect relationship for what is a complex problem, resulting in ignoring all kinds of factors that of not addressed will lead to the same collapse anyway. This isn’t it, only good for armchair discussions. Sorry.
He just wants to create more debt-ridden wage slaves. You and I know that the current conditions aren’t suitable for the average American to start a family unless they want to be burdened with debt (which leads to divorce and the breakdown of family).
Exactly the modern day capitalist system in almost all families requires that both parents now work to barely get by, that erodes the family. Kid’s are now a luxury for the middle class, you have the new generations that are realizing that it’s financial suicide to have children. Pretty soon America will have almost all the breeding being done by mostly people needing anchor babies and low IQ /who seem to be ignorant in regards birth control. Then you will of course have the few rich that will still breed but they are small in number.
fertility is on a horseshoe shaped curve, you will be surprised to hear that it is actually the poor, recipients of welfare and the criminal underclass that make up the only group with high fertility. The fabulously rich and top 5-10% of earners also have above replacement level. it is actually the squeezed middle 80% of the population that are below replacement. PS: This is even worse for civilization as the truth is that the people who should be having kids are not, and the ones who are REALLY SHOULD NOT BE. Average IQ will drop to 85 by the end of the century by which the western world will begin to look a lot like south Africa.
This is simply not true. Maybe low birth rate was one of many contributing factors, but to over-simplify it and claim it was the main reason is just not correct.
High replacement birthrates create enough human material to compensate for "black swan" events such as wars, natural disasters and famine. It is the fundament for societies' and civilisation's robustness.
The Roman Empire collapsed because, in the same century, they were hit by famine, plague, low birth rate, barbarian fast invasion with big groups, senate coruption that many didn t care about the future, the gold and silver mines and grain lands where outside of Rome and they were taken by invaders, and most important, CHRISTIANITY, All of these factors hit them all in one round, in a very short time. Christianity made the legions nonhostile to the crisis
Lads high. Can't just look at population decline. Citizens of empires essentially get lazy, they start enjoying life and another power hungry nation rises. I'm sure access to resources plays a role, even maintaining military might.
Right! Like how the fuck you gonna maintain an empire when everyone has lead poisoning? 😂 how is this not thw common consensus as to how the empire fell? I dont get it..
Actually, even pro-fertility Christiany couldn’t turn it around. Other people became monks or nuns and so were celibate. The more important reason is that there were no economic incentives to have children. Many people fled the cities to foreign lands or to the countryside to escape the unbearable tax pressure. The Roman Empire taxed itself to death and could not withstand foreign invasions, but the Eastern half survived for another millennium.
The Western Roman Empire collapsed, among other factors as a consequence of uncontrolled immigration. The Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire survived until 1453.
The US is a nation of immigrants unlike Italy, Britain, or Mongolia. Over 1,000,000+ enter the US every year both legal and illegal. So the lower US birth rate is offset by the number of immigrants coming in. The low birth rate numbers is important and it's an issue that needs to be addressed. But the situation isn't as dire in the US as it is in other countries. **It's impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrants come in every year, so I used 1,000,000+ as a general number.**
Eventually the system cannot keep up with itself. It reaches a point, like a dying star, where the sheer weight of it call.causes it to collapse in on itself. A system is designed at a certain time to address a certain set of problem. Eventually, the problem set the system was meant to address changes in a way that it can no longer address. Usually, this means they run out of money. Its like engineering... solving 95 percent of the problem is simple, but what it takes to perfect the last 5 to 1 percent usually dwarfs the rest of the project... its the same with a culture or society... it reaches near perfection but collapse when resources run out trying to complete their vision.
Aaaa eeeee uuuu, what a crooked man. The Numidians brought Rome to its knees. Hannibal Barca is just one example which by the way was the greatest general in History not Cesar.
Elon Musk is a badass. And if you're a Krueger you're never going to understand him. Because he is not one of those. He comes from humble beginnings. And he made himself what he is today from the fire he developed. In those humble beginnings. A man like that. Don't ever fk with. He's got my respect. And when the shit really hits the fan, this guy is going to be on the winning side. And everyone hates him for that. But like Kid Rock said. I'm the king of don't give a fk. LMAO. Fk the world Elon. You do you. I am a Christian. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Trinity. So I. As you. Don't give a fk lmao. So do you Elon. I'm sure the Almighty has already aligned your path with what he wants to accomplish
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Empire collapse is always from a multitude of factors.
Rome fell - beside other reasons- because of extreme social inequalities and the dying out of the middle class. There was a small class of extremely wealthy senators and landowners that didnt contribute to the state. They were the same type of people as Musk is today, a minority of plutocrats and oligarchs that were among other reasons and during a longer period responsible for the failing of the later roman empire that was a military organized autocracy. They had their private armies and they didnt pay taxes and established realms of independent rule.
Doesn’t even mention the wars where most soldiers died
Lead water piping didn't help much either.
And i believe that is the biggest factor in the romans becoming obsolete as an empire.
@coornhenning
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I admire Elon but this is an extrem simplification why Rome fell. First of all, it didn't fall, it kept living on in the east.
In my opinion the real major reason why the western roman empire fell was two decision that was made 150 years earlier by Constantine: (1) moving the capital to Constantinople and (2) converting to Christianity. This shifted the focus from the west to the east and created a lot of internal division between pagans and Christians, and Christians and other Christians over various heresies.
Rome has fallen because all the young men were sent to battle field and never returned leaving children and their mothers alone. Society never had hope for thier families and it was all about what a Mad king and politicians around him wanted
Like current Russia.
@@FellowHuman18 indeed
I think it also has to do with the fact that, as a pre-industrial civilization, much of Rome's economy was driven by conquest & plunder on its borders. "If ya can't make it, take it". As this continued and the empire expanded, so did its borders and therefore their total length.
More border = more troops = more enemies. Eventually Rome just couldn't keep up with fewer children, more young men in the Legions and associated economic decline domestically.
That is a simplistic view
@@Robosci
That is not what happened to Rome. Musk is partly correct that Romans abandoned family as the centre of its culture. Disease and climate change were the big factors. The exact same thing happened to the Byzantines.
Out of control military expansion and over spending. The rest is all down-stream.
Studying these things on long timescales and boiling them down to one cause-effect relationship obscures the many factors involved in any specific situation. Thinking in this way can then lead to focusing on this one supposed cause-effect relationship for what is a complex problem, resulting in ignoring all kinds of factors that of not addressed will lead to the same collapse anyway. This isn’t it, only good for armchair discussions. Sorry.
He is correct that disease caused a massive decline in the population and a low birth rate meant they could not recover.
Great Comment !!!!
Here is an incentive for me to have more children:
Don't make me work 60+hr weeks to cover my basic fucking necessities.
This is the kind of stuff we had for nightmares as kids
Why would people have babies when they’re living under every bridge in America and starving in the richest country in the planet
He just wants to create more debt-ridden wage slaves. You and I know that the current conditions aren’t suitable for the average American to start a family unless they want to be burdened with debt (which leads to divorce and the breakdown of family).
Exactly the modern day capitalist system in almost all families requires that both parents now work to barely get by, that erodes the family. Kid’s are now a luxury for the middle class, you have the new generations that are realizing that it’s financial suicide to have children. Pretty soon America will have almost all the breeding being done by mostly people needing anchor babies and low IQ /who seem to be ignorant in regards birth control. Then you will of course have the few rich that will still breed but they are small in number.
feel free to leave and go complain about it elsewhere
fertility is on a horseshoe shaped curve, you will be surprised to hear that it is actually the poor, recipients of welfare and the criminal underclass that make up the only group with high fertility. The fabulously rich and top 5-10% of earners also have above replacement level. it is actually the squeezed middle 80% of the population that are below replacement.
PS: This is even worse for civilization as the truth is that the people who should be having kids are not, and the ones who are REALLY SHOULD NOT BE. Average IQ will drop to 85 by the end of the century by which the western world will begin to look a lot like south Africa.
How many people do you know who are living under a bridge?
This is simply not true. Maybe low birth rate was one of many contributing factors, but to over-simplify it and claim it was the main reason is just not correct.
High replacement birthrates create enough human material to compensate for "black swan" events such as wars, natural disasters and famine. It is the fundament for societies' and civilisation's robustness.
Yeah but it's Elon so it's VERY CORRECT! Elon IS smart. He IS a genius
He is correctly partly about the low birth rate and how disease lowered numbers.
Good times > Low birth rate > rise of the Tesla Bot > Good times > end of civilization.
The Roman Empire collapsed because, in the same century, they were hit by famine, plague, low birth rate, barbarian fast invasion with big groups, senate coruption that many didn t care about the future, the gold and silver mines and grain lands where outside of Rome and they were taken by invaders, and most important, CHRISTIANITY, All of these factors hit them all in one round, in a very short time. Christianity made the legions nonhostile to the crisis
Lads high. Can't just look at population decline. Citizens of empires essentially get lazy, they start enjoying life and another power hungry nation rises. I'm sure access to resources plays a role, even maintaining military might.
und deshalb möchte er Roboter herstellen?
" there was other thing's " 😅
Right! Like how the fuck you gonna maintain an empire when everyone has lead poisoning? 😂 how is this not thw common consensus as to how the empire fell? I dont get it..
Actually, even pro-fertility Christiany couldn’t turn it around. Other people became monks or nuns and so were celibate. The more important reason is that there were no economic incentives to have children. Many people fled the cities to foreign lands or to the countryside to escape the unbearable tax pressure. The Roman Empire taxed itself to death and could not withstand foreign invasions, but the Eastern half survived for another millennium.
They ended themselves
The Western Roman Empire collapsed, among other factors as a consequence of uncontrolled immigration.
The Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire survived until 1453.
Uncontrolled immigration??? You mean the barbarians?
Rome was built for the Romans. It was never intended to be otherwise. America in contrast is built on the diversity of cultures.
Uncontrolled immigration? You mean the barbarians?
@@mike287slashm7false that changed later on
Romes collapse had nothing to do with immigration.
Breakdown of the family.
Take your redpill nonsense somewhere else.
But why is that? I m mean is a contradiction when the better the things are less babes? People become selfish?
The US is a nation of immigrants unlike Italy, Britain, or Mongolia. Over 1,000,000+ enter the US every year both legal and illegal. So the lower US birth rate is offset by the number of immigrants coming in. The low birth rate numbers is important and it's an issue that needs to be addressed. But the situation isn't as dire in the US as it is in other countries.
**It's impossible to know exactly how many illegal immigrants come in every year, so I used 1,000,000+ as a general number.**
No birth rate in the US is calculated against citizens. For birth rate to be calculated it has to be decades based average not yearly.
Should be called the downfall of Elon musk
Eventually the system cannot keep up with itself. It reaches a point, like a dying star, where the sheer weight of it call.causes it to collapse in on itself. A system is designed at a certain time to address a certain set of problem. Eventually, the problem set the system was meant to address changes in a way that it can no longer address. Usually, this means they run out of money. Its like engineering... solving 95 percent of the problem is simple, but what it takes to perfect the last 5 to 1 percent usually dwarfs the rest of the project... its the same with a culture or society... it reaches near perfection but collapse when resources run out trying to complete their vision.
Aaaa eeeee uuuu, what a crooked man. The Numidians brought Rome to its knees. Hannibal Barca is just one example which by the way was the greatest general in History not Cesar.
Not a topic for women
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Elon Musk is a badass. And if you're a Krueger you're never going to understand him. Because he is not one of those. He comes from humble beginnings. And he made himself what he is today from the fire he developed. In those humble beginnings. A man like that. Don't ever fk with. He's got my respect. And when the shit really hits the fan, this guy is going to be on the winning side. And everyone hates him for that. But like Kid Rock said. I'm the king of don't give a fk. LMAO. Fk the world Elon. You do you. I am a Christian. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and the holy Trinity. So I. As you. Don't give a fk lmao. So do you Elon. I'm sure the Almighty has already aligned your path with what he wants to accomplish
Like either of of these two pseudo intellectuals have any clue about this subject. Holy hell 😂😂😂